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Thom, the sherpas were the ones who took Lincoln's essentials ... plus he was beatened by them before they keft him & reported him dead. I have the video of Lincoln and other climbers telling the real storu of what happened with the sherpas.
@@Mila_Brearey I searched around and found the video you're talking about. WOW. That is an amazing aspect of the story, which I would imagine would be a video in an of itself. Thanks Mila
I’m not a high altitude mountaineer and never will be, so I can’t judge Hall’s team for their decision but the team that saved his life get so much respect. Giving up personal gain to help another is what we all should strive for. Mr. Mazur also made the right call to abandon their summit attempt- ensuring his clients can climb again.
Feels like they gave up too fast but at the same time if a man refuses to move what can you do if you don't decide to drag him down and that could be very difficult and dangerous on a mountain.
I have zero desire to climb Everest - honestly it just combines almost everything that I'm truly afraid of. But I find these stories so fascinating. The things this mountain brings out of people, how it changes them in so many ways... It never stops to amaze me. And I love the way you tell these stories, so well put together and with so many different perspectives. Loved the video, love the channel. Hope you have a great day!
They could take his "stuff" but not him , yeah that says it all for me. Absolutely ruthless. And then bring it all back when they realise the messed up. Raises alot of questions.
I will never climb a mountain but I love the stories. I have always enjoyed Everest stories. It started when I was young and a person would reach the top and it was BIG news. Their picture and story on the news, in the newspaper and in magazines. Great video!
There is a documentary called Death Zone about a group of Sherpas expedition to remove lots of trash off the summit of Everest as well as recovering two climbers bodies. Removing the bodies downhill looked so dangerous and difficult and it took a team of several Sherpas to do so. Lots of respect to the Sherpas efforts. I believe they removed almost 4,000 pounds of trash from the mountain. This documentary was made in 2009 or 2010.
Keep up the beautiful content. I've never climbed a mountain higher than the stumpy Shenandoahs, so stories of mis/adventures on world-class mountains brings me so much comfort & escapism. Thank you.
Excellent recount of this compelling story. I was climbing Aconcagua around the time that this disaster occurred, and the entire event really struck a cord with me. Hall's survival, and the ultimate successful supported decent of "the dead guy", is definitely etched into the history of mountaineering. Thank you for re-telling and sharing this!
I’ve watched a few different videos of the Lincoln Hall story,but this was definitely the far superior version! So interesting and I learned lots that I didn’t know before.
Wow!! What an incredible story and I love the interview with Dan … such a wonderful selfless act to rescue him! Thank you for sharing … always enjoy your content, Thom!
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What an awesome video. I learned so much from this video. A miracle indeed for Lincoln Hall. All the situations of the night and day must have been in perfect conditions for him.
Breathtaking video production Thom 👍 and very emotional and moving listening to all the stories about the event and the people involved in the incident. 🦅
Here’s what struck me; it’s one thing to leave a dying person behind under these circumstances, but it’s a completely different thing to remove his/her safety equipment, take everything single thing he/she carried with them including life-saving items, and walk away! That’s unconscionable!
Lincoln Halls own books about that experience are a great read. "I imagine you're surprised to see me here." What a shock that team must've had when they saw him. It was sad that he survived a night in the Death Zone to pass to cancer 6 years later.
In Dead Lucky Hall also attributed his survival in part to his Buddhist faith and his practice of meditation, which he used when he realized he was alone up there. It's an interesting assertion on his part, since deep meditation changes breathing patterns and brain activity. Since he thinks it helped, I believe him.
I have seen another video about his story, but yours is way more detailed and the interview with Dan was super good. Wish the interview was a little longer. It looks like he is a guy with many nice stories to tell. I would love to know more about his expedition with Fischer.
Amazing story...love your ability to be so very fair, yet extremely informative. Of course, the men who saved him did the right thing. God Bless them. I cannot comment on Hall being left alone; I have no ability to comment on that. Great rescue story! ✝️💗🇺🇲
It’s impossible to adequately explain to a non climber the harsh environment high on a mountain at night. I was part of a rescue team lowering an injured climber in the cascades. It took a dozen of us 16 hours to get her down from just 8500 feet.
Hey Thom it’s an honor to get a comment from you! Your amazing accomplishments coupled with genuine humility are an inspiration. As do you, I pray for the future of the great peaks we love so much and for mountaineering and the challenges faced by climate change and commercialization.
@@mountainclimber48 it's equally an honor to be able to talk with someone who shares the same dreams and goals, and has the same love of the mountains. Cheers my friend!
Hi Thom. Going to buy the book White Limbo by Hall. I do not wish to write a book here, so this my belief. Many factors played out. Meditation experience from Hall. His skill. The elements played a HUGE part. He lived! It took GRIT to survive. 6 years later succumbed to cancer. He's legend in my book.
Another brilliant episode & one in a million story . ( not yet completely finished ) . But just to clarify . I wonder ?? I know his climbing Sherpas could never have been able to get the incapacitated Lincoln back down the mountain to high camp. But when they left him near mushroom rock, he was still alive ? And his team back at camp then assumed that he would perish overnight . ? 🦄💜 And yes ! the guys that stayed with him, did the absolute right thing .
Tragic story! I’m curious if the team that came upon him the next morning had a chance to summit the next day? If not, they gave up an extraordinary opportunity to save Mr. Hall. Kudos to them!
Amazing video Thom. Im not sure about the ethics of what happened, so much didn't seem quite right. Also so sad that Lincoln passed away only a few years later, at least he was with family at that time.
Another brilliant episode & one in a million story . ( not yet completely finished ) . But just to clarify . I wonder ?? I know his climbing Sherpas could never have been able to get the incapacitated Lincoln back down the mountain to high camp. But when they left him near mushroom rock, he was still alive ? And his team back at camp then assumed that he would perish overnight . ? 🦄💜
I just want to say thank u for doing this. I’m not a person to want to climb in truly dangerous places so I don’t have the same mindset as others. I am however a nurse and a first responder so putting myself at risk for a total stranger comes easy for me. I love Everest and I used to admire those who took on that challenge. But somewhere sometime when making that climb with the idea of others be damned everything changed. Self preservation is what matters to someone who has paid large sums of money to climb. That’s a complete shift in humanity. There r a few rare people who will give up their glory to help a fellow human. Lincoln was blessed enough to meet some of them in his journey. Maybe someday Beautiful Everest will be cleaned up and compassion and safety will take the place of money. (Sorry to babble on)
Ethics in mountaineering?.. There are no ethics when you are climbing a mountain for personal bragging rights and putting other people's lives at risk.
Yes their is when you have a team supporting you, most of the time it’s porters that live there, an that is their only job that pays decent money, so they have to follow along with whatever the person paying them says..
In a society where the value of life is lacking you have devolution and every evil. Wars have been finally at least tolerable by the survivors bc of Geneva convention rules, etc. you just don't see it?
Great but sad story. I’m not a mountaineer but think every time you go up the mountain can be your last! It’s dangerous and those risks are known to all who participate.
Thats unbelievable 😢 poor guy was left for dead. And tyey stripped all his stuff, thats unacceptable. They should have been punished for that imo. But by the grace of god these kind souls saved his life, i couldnt step over someone dying i know in my heart and soul i would do all i could to help my fellow human being.
Omg that’s news that the Sherpa had Lincoln’s backpack, and gear . That they left him for dead and then had to come back the next day to help in rescue
I find it hard to judge an experience I have never and most likely will never make myself, but I would like to think that personally I would act as follows in such a situation. If I climb a mountain and find someone in need I will stop my climb and try to do whatever I can do. If I can help a fellow climber, even if he did not use oxygen and took what I would consider an unnessary risk, I will do so. Once I have gone through all options and I come to the conclusion that there is nothing I can do it would be time to make a decision. I had to live with that decision but I would make it if there is no other option. However if there is something I can do I will do it. Anything else would not sit right with me. After all I would only climb Everest or any mountain really to enjoy the view. Leaving someone to die if I could help him survive would very much ruin that, would it not? Well, at least it would for me. I would not be happy interrupting my climb. Knowing myself I would complain constantly while helping the other person. And afterwards I might be a tad grumpy for a few minutes, at least until I got a hot soup to eat. (Seriously, that's usually everything it takes to cheer me up if I am in a bad mood.) But I would do it if possible. Again, this is theoretical. I am not capable of climbing such a high place.
From what I understand, sherpas tried to get Hall moving for many hours before they finally gave up. He got back down because he later regained the ability to walk. I don't blame anyone for leaving him behind - it's always been understood that climbers are on their own in the Death Zone, and if you can't stand up or walk, you're screwed.
What a beautiful story of giving of self, even to the disappointment of personal achievement! Was it a disappointment, not when a life is at stake! This is my own viewpoint!
Couldn't they sell insurance for the trip so if something goes wrong they can try again at a later time? It seems like there is a pressure to summit, often when the subject is under mental pressures that may cloud their thinking and judgement, and this leads to bad decisions and often death
I only do casual day hikes and would never blame the sherpa for leaving him up there instead of risking their lives to try and save someone they think is going to die. I do however feel very comfortable blaming the sherpa taking his gear, this isnt a video game, you dont get to loot dead ppl. I also think his group not having a team up there first thing the next day and confirm death/move the body to a respectful place off the main trail is colblooded and morally gross.
100%, from that behavior stealing all his gear wouldn't surprise me if they gave up too easily to save him, sounds he had a bad luck with his team. The other team are heroes though.
I personally don’t think they should take someone’s belongings if they leave them up there. That’s just certain death and taking away a slim chance they could survive. If I was climbing a mountain like that I don’t feel like I couldnt pass someone up that needed help. Whatever help it may be. I do think climbers and sherpas know that risk they take signing up for it too. Fire fighters take risk daily to save ppl and they are well aware of the dangers of their job they picked.
I am not a climber, don’t like the cold and can’t see spending tens of thousands of dollars on it. However I have found myself intrigued by those who do and really enjoy your videos.
I am not a climber, don’t like the cold and can’t see spending tens of thousands of dollars on it. However I have found myself intrigued by those who do and really enjoy your videos.
Wasn’t Thomas Weber the climber who consistently went blind at high altitude because of a prior surgery? I think I watched a documentary about him…believe his guide was a Dutchman.
50 years old is way too old to be climbing Mount Everest. If somebody wants to climb this mountain. They need to do it before they reach 40. It doesn't matter how much experience you have once you get to a certain age your body just cannot recover like it did when it was younger. Most people that die from altitude sickness are older than 40.
@@MiloradTomovicTOZO when you learn to treat people with respect, others will treat you with the same respect. The Golden Rule, my friend. The Golden Rule.
@@MiloradTomovicTOZO sorry my man, in the USA calling someone that would be a direct provocation and unkind to say. I'm not offended, it made me chuckle. I've traveled far and wide and I can't remember if I've ever heard someone say that before. Anyway, I typed up a great background of my Everest experience in the About section on the home page of this channel. I'd be grateful if you Subscribed to @EverestMystery so you could see what other videos this 'old man' has that might interest you cheers and thanks
@@EverestMystery I wish you a lot of success in your work, your channel is extra, I am your follower, my question was not an introduction, but I wanted to hear if you had the honor to be in that environment, at the end, a big greeting for you, sir
I suppose that I'm falling into the trap of situational ethics, but it seems harsh that the Sherpa team took all of Lincoln Hall's gear when they determined he would not make it down. Maybe there was a valid reason for it based on their assessment of his condition, but it sure is a head scratcher.
Close one eye, squint with the other, it might look like something else than looting the dead, and by “dead” I mean in the Monty Python “Quit complaining you’ll be stone dead in a moment” way.
He wasn't dead when they abandoned him, and taking his gear greatly reduced his chances. Then they didn't seem to want to come back the next day. There weren't many heros in this story.
I probably have a different mindset than most people but in my business if your buddy goes down your objective changes to saving your team member. This thing where climbers see someone who’s still conscious and moving and convince themselves that the victim is “as good as dead” so they can continue their climb is what shocks and appalls people. If Sherpas are just going to grab your good stuff and leave you if it looks like it’s going to be a tough hump to get you down, what’s the point of having them?
I don't know what this vindication means; Hall's team tried for hours to help him, but couldn't, so they had to leave him behind. I mean what exactly did they do FOR HOURS? It was obviously no problem for the other team to bring him back, so how could you not condemn the other team?
Thank you for watching. The team that left him behind did assist Hall for hours, getting him down the Second Step even. Without that help, he surely would have perished, as he would have ended up even higher on the ridge. When he became unruly, one of the first team literally took his ice axe and tried to beat him over the head with it (I heard this from Lincoln Hall's own account). In terms of condemning, it's not something I do. Dan Mazur says it right, 'let he who has not sinned cast the first stone'.
@@EverestMystery I guess there are contracts that prevent you from sorting out who is to blame for what in court. But to take away a living person's entire backpack with things that he might have been able to help himself with before he was rescued is criminal enough for me. Obviously it happens from time to time, not just once, that someone is still alive or survives longer than you think they should. I'm afraid there are some people who would have survived if they hadn't been prematurely abandoned.
@ indeed! I think you will enjoy the video I’m working on today, and intend to post this afternoon. It is about a Sherpa who refused to leave the side of his client and lost his life in so doing… It’s a touching story. I hope you have a chance to see it, and that you will share your comments on it, as well.
@@EverestMystery I also wonder if and why nobody seems to have this emergency thermal blanket silver foil with them. I always have it with me at festivals, if it's too cold in the tent at night, I wrap it over my (thin) sleeping bag like a mummy, it keeps me warm and weighs almost nothing! you can easily put it in your suit. If, for example, Weathers had been wrapped in it when he was left behind maybe his hands wouldn't have frozen off, perhaps other people would have gotten up again after sleeping for a few hours
Can you imagine being left for dead? To steal all your equipment, even your harness is ruthless. I just want to say that I would never try it but respect those that do. Yes it's a risk and could cost you your life.
It makes you wonder, how the human brain can save ur body by making you think/hallucinate a different scenario than what is actually happening. Its also puts some sense into the placebo affect. Also makes u think about the people who say “just be delusional when manifesting and everything starts coming true” 😊 the mysterious powerful human brain. Had he been a aware that he was on Everest the whole time, instead of on a boat, maybe he would’ve died and froze 🤷♀️
Yeah I think, sitting here in my warm house at 876 foot elevation, how foolish it is to leave your twin sons and a wife in order to follow your own desires that most likely will kill you. It’s almost that those who go up there have a death wish. I’ve never understood thrill seekers and their lack of respect and appreciation for their responsibilities and families. The Russian team member or captain who left him, and robbed the man of his life saving back pack, harness, hat and gloves should be in prison. That is evil personified.
Fine if you can't get him down without risk for your own life that's understandable. But don't strip the man of essential gear that could extend his life or aid his own rescue. His Harness, Ice axe and Oxygen that's disgusting!
Possibly the only person alive who would have called Lincoln Hall that. Hall was a beloved man who devoted his life to helping other people. He was a lifelong mountaineer, helped orchestrate the first Australian ascent of Everest (by a new route, no less), was devoted to the environment, as well as to helping the culture of people that supported those who went to the Himalayas to climb.
If you risk your life for a selfish hobbie then you shouldnt burden yourself trying to rescue or recover someone nor should you burden your own rescue or recovery on anyone else
IMHO there is no judgment of anyone on the part of Dan. Unless we were there, we have no idea what the absolute reality of the situation was. Thanks so much for watching!
I think blaming “corporate greed and capitalism” when you’re talking about the actions of subsistence-level tribesmen is a long way to ride a hobby horse.
@@EverestMystery Partially , sure, but for vastly different reasons. When you get injured while operating a vehicle, you aren't asking other people to literally risk their lives to save you. This video is about them leaving Lincoln Hall to die, a concept with which he would have been intimately familiar. He knew the risks and what risks the other climbers would have to take to save him. I don't consider driving the same as climbing mountains.. You aren't climbing to get to your job or go shopping.
Tragic story! Did the party that came across him the next morning get to try for the summit the following day? If not they gave up an extraordinary opportunity to save Mr. Hall. Kudos to them!
@@theprofessorfate6184 truly appreciate that you took the time to watch. These conversations are really interesting and help us see other peoples' perspectives. Thanks for taking the time to comment
My late mother in law used to say "Blame is like an egg. It has to be laid!" Increasingly in this digital age (which seems to exacerbate this) I ask 'Why?'
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Thom, the sherpas were the ones who took Lincoln's essentials ... plus he was beatened by them before they keft him & reported him dead.
I have the video of Lincoln and other climbers telling the real storu of what happened with the sherpas.
@@Mila_Brearey I searched around and found the video you're talking about. WOW. That is an amazing aspect of the story, which I would imagine would be a video in an of itself. Thanks Mila
I’m not a high altitude mountaineer and never will be, so I can’t judge Hall’s team for their decision but the team that saved his life get so much respect. Giving up personal gain to help another is what we all should strive for. Mr. Mazur also made the right call to abandon their summit attempt- ensuring his clients can climb again.
Feels like they gave up too fast but at the same time if a man refuses to move what can you do if you don't decide to drag him down and that could be very difficult and dangerous on a mountain.
I have zero desire to climb Everest - honestly it just combines almost everything that I'm truly afraid of. But I find these stories so fascinating. The things this mountain brings out of people, how it changes them in so many ways... It never stops to amaze me. And I love the way you tell these stories, so well put together and with so many different perspectives. Loved the video, love the channel. Hope you have a great day!
Agreed. I feel the same way
They could take his "stuff" but not him , yeah that says it all for me. Absolutely ruthless. And then bring it all back when they realise the messed up. Raises alot of questions.
I will never climb a mountain but I love the stories. I have always enjoyed Everest stories. It started when I was young and a person would reach the top and it was BIG news. Their picture and story on the news, in the newspaper and in magazines. Great video!
Same.
Thanks so much Chrissy, I really appreciate it.....totally agree with you on the idea that it used to big news!
There is a documentary called Death Zone about a group of Sherpas expedition to remove lots of trash off the summit of Everest as well as recovering two climbers bodies. Removing the bodies downhill looked so dangerous and difficult and it took a team of several Sherpas to do so. Lots of respect to the Sherpas efforts. I believe they removed almost 4,000 pounds of trash from the mountain. This documentary was made in 2009 or 2010.
I saw recently how they are testing using drones to help move tons of garbage of the mountain!
Keep up the beautiful content. I've never climbed a mountain higher than the stumpy Shenandoahs, so stories of mis/adventures on world-class mountains brings me so much comfort & escapism. Thank you.
Thanks so much, I appreciate your support, it means very much to me!
Excellent recount of this compelling story. I was climbing Aconcagua around the time that this disaster occurred, and the entire event really struck a cord with me. Hall's survival, and the ultimate successful supported decent of "the dead guy", is definitely etched into the history of mountaineering. Thank you for re-telling and sharing this!
I’ve watched a few different videos of the Lincoln Hall story,but this was definitely the far superior version! So interesting and I learned lots that I didn’t know before.
Thanks!
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OMG, his team stripped him of his equipment backpack, food, water, and tools ... the shirpas stole everything from Lincoln and left him to die.
Wow!! What an incredible story and I love the interview with Dan … such a wonderful selfless act to rescue him! Thank you for sharing … always enjoy your content, Thom!
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What an awesome video. I learned so much from this video. A miracle indeed for Lincoln Hall. All the situations of the night and day must have been in perfect conditions for him.
Thanks so much, I appreciate that you watched and shared your thoughts!
Hi Thom.
Another well produced and informational video - thanks.
Quite a story of survival. Looks like the Lord was with him.
Keep up the great work!
Breathtaking video production Thom 👍 and very emotional and moving listening to all the stories about the event and the people involved in the incident. 🦅
Thank you for well-told and thought-provoking video.
Here’s what struck me; it’s one thing to leave a dying person behind under these circumstances, but it’s a completely different thing to remove his/her safety equipment, take everything single thing he/she carried with them including life-saving items, and walk away! That’s unconscionable!
Agree
Thanks again for the fantastic content.
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Lincoln Halls own books about that experience are a great read. "I imagine you're surprised to see me here." What a shock that team must've had when they saw him. It was sad that he survived a night in the Death Zone to pass to cancer 6 years later.
Because of the horrible asbestos but at least he got to see his family again and spend some more years with them.
In Dead Lucky Hall also attributed his survival in part to his Buddhist faith and his practice of meditation, which he used when he realized he was alone up there. It's an interesting assertion on his part, since deep meditation changes breathing patterns and brain activity. Since he thinks it helped, I believe him.
I have seen another video about his story, but yours is way more detailed and the interview with Dan was super good. Wish the interview was a little longer. It looks like he is a guy with many nice stories to tell. I would love to know more about his expedition with Fischer.
Amazing story...love your ability to be so very fair, yet extremely informative. Of course, the men who saved him did the right thing. God Bless them. I cannot comment on Hall being left alone; I have no ability to comment on that. Great rescue story! ✝️💗🇺🇲
Great video and storytelling as always! I was engaged throughout the video❤
Truly appreciate it, thank you!
Thank you for the story that you tell so well. Really bring it all back to life in your video. As always enjoy your videos.
It’s impossible to adequately explain to a non climber the harsh environment high on a mountain at night. I was part of a rescue team lowering an injured climber in the cascades. It took a dozen of us 16 hours to get her down from just 8500 feet.
Wow, you nailed it! Yes, it's really life and death up there, on any mountain. Super cool that you were involved in such a rescue. Thanks for watching
Hey Thom it’s an honor to get a comment from you! Your amazing accomplishments coupled with genuine humility are an inspiration. As do you, I pray for the future of the great peaks we love so much and for mountaineering and the challenges faced by climate change and commercialization.
@@mountainclimber48 it's equally an honor to be able to talk with someone who shares the same dreams and goals, and has the same love of the mountains. Cheers my friend!
Hi Thom.
Going to buy the book White Limbo by Hall.
I do not wish to write a book here, so this my belief. Many factors played out. Meditation experience from Hall. His skill. The elements played a HUGE part. He lived! It took GRIT to survive.
6 years later succumbed to cancer. He's legend in my book.
❤ Two heros having a chat.... A recovery mission is much more heroic then a summit
Hi, thank you again for sharing this story 👍👍
Oh my word, the pictures showing where he was at. My heart is still in my throat. I’m going to be thinking about this incident for days.
Amazing interview.
Another brilliant episode & one in a million story . ( not yet completely finished ) . But just to clarify . I wonder ?? I know his climbing Sherpas could never have been able to get the incapacitated Lincoln back down the mountain to high camp. But when they left him near mushroom rock, he was still alive ? And his team back at camp then assumed that he would perish overnight . ? 🦄💜
And yes ! the guys that stayed with him, did the absolute right thing .
Human life is more important than any climb
Just started watching this, I'm only 5 minutes in and I'm hooked I'm going to enjoy this 😊
Thank you, I hope you enjoy it!
Great video!
I like this man who found Lincoln.
I'd like him more if he didn't cut Thom off two words into EVERY SINGLE QUESTION. Thom is a patient fellow no doubt.
Tragic story! I’m curious if the team that came upon him the next morning had a chance to summit the next day? If not, they gave up an extraordinary opportunity to save Mr. Hall. Kudos to them!
Amazing video Thom. Im not sure about the ethics of what happened, so much didn't seem quite right. Also so sad that Lincoln passed away only a few years later, at least he was with family at that time.
Another brilliant episode & one in a million story . ( not yet completely finished ) . But just to clarify . I wonder ?? I know his climbing Sherpas could never have been able to get the incapacitated Lincoln back down the mountain to high camp. But when they left him near mushroom rock, he was still alive ? And his team back at camp then assumed that he would perish overnight . ? 🦄💜
Thank you for such a good history 💙
I just want to say thank u for doing this. I’m not a person to want to climb in truly dangerous places so I don’t have the same mindset as others. I am however a nurse and a first responder so putting myself at risk for a total stranger comes easy for me. I love Everest and I used to admire those who took on that challenge. But somewhere sometime when making that climb with the idea of others be damned everything changed. Self preservation is what matters to someone who has paid large sums of money to climb. That’s a complete shift in humanity. There r a few rare people who will give up their glory to help a fellow human. Lincoln was blessed enough to meet some of them in his journey. Maybe someday Beautiful Everest will be cleaned up and compassion and safety will take the place of money. (Sorry to babble on)
Who’s the thief who jacked his gear and left him for dead?
Thank you Thom ❤
Thanks Alex!
Ethics in mountaineering?.. There are no ethics when you are climbing a mountain for personal bragging rights and putting other people's lives at risk.
Yes their is when you have a team supporting you, most of the time it’s porters that live there, an that is their only job that pays decent money, so they have to follow along with whatever the person paying them says..
Oh shut up with this comment
In a society where the value of life is lacking you have devolution and every evil. Wars have been finally at least tolerable by the survivors bc of Geneva convention rules, etc. you just don't see it?
Dead on.
You don't belong here due to your vast ignorance of Lincoln Hall and all he had done for the region ... so get lost!
Great but sad story. I’m not a mountaineer but think every time you go up the mountain can be your last! It’s dangerous and those risks are known to all who participate.
I mean if the conditions are so harsh that you can't help a person, you probably wouldn't want the extra weight from all his gear neither 🧐
Great video. Sad but happy he made it off the mountain.
Absolutely. Thanks for watching!
Thats unbelievable 😢 poor guy was left for dead. And tyey stripped all his stuff, thats unacceptable. They should have been punished for that imo. But by the grace of god these kind souls saved his life, i couldnt step over someone dying i know in my heart and soul i would do all i could to help my fellow human being.
Omg that’s news that the Sherpa had Lincoln’s backpack, and gear . That they left him for dead and then had to come back the next day to help in rescue
Very interesting video.
I find it hard to judge an experience I have never and most likely will never make myself, but I would like to think that personally I would act as follows in such a situation.
If I climb a mountain and find someone in need I will stop my climb and try to do whatever I can do.
If I can help a fellow climber, even if he did not use oxygen and took what I would consider an unnessary risk, I will do so.
Once I have gone through all options and I come to the conclusion that there is nothing I can do it would be time to make a decision.
I had to live with that decision but I would make it if there is no other option.
However if there is something I can do I will do it.
Anything else would not sit right with me.
After all I would only climb Everest or any mountain really to enjoy the view.
Leaving someone to die if I could help him survive would very much ruin that, would it not? Well, at least it would for me.
I would not be happy interrupting my climb.
Knowing myself I would complain constantly while helping the other person.
And afterwards I might be a tad grumpy for a few minutes, at least until I got a hot soup to eat. (Seriously, that's usually everything it takes to cheer me up if I am in a bad mood.)
But I would do it if possible.
Again, this is theoretical.
I am not capable of climbing such a high place.
Another wonderful video. The sherpas are the heros. Anyone going on Everest does so at their own risk, period. It’s a chance you take.
As always, thanks so much Kelly! And thanks for all of your support : )
From what I understand, sherpas tried to get Hall moving for many hours before they finally gave up. He got back down because he later regained the ability to walk. I don't blame anyone for leaving him behind - it's always been understood that climbers are on their own in the Death Zone, and if you can't stand up or walk, you're screwed.
'white limbo' one of my favourite mountaineering books. an audacious climb
What a beautiful story of giving of self, even to the disappointment of personal achievement! Was it a disappointment, not when a life is at stake! This is my own viewpoint!
Couldn't they sell insurance for the trip so if something goes wrong they can try again at a later time? It seems like there is a pressure to summit, often when the subject is under mental pressures that may cloud their thinking and judgement, and this leads to bad decisions and often death
I only do casual day hikes and would never blame the sherpa for leaving him up there instead of risking their lives to try and save someone they think is going to die. I do however feel very comfortable blaming the sherpa taking his gear, this isnt a video game, you dont get to loot dead ppl. I also think his group not having a team up there first thing the next day and confirm death/move the body to a respectful place off the main trail is colblooded and morally gross.
The Sherpa STOLE HIS OXYGEN, BACKPACK, TOOLS, EQUIPMENT!!! That is just dirty.
100%, from that behavior stealing all his gear wouldn't surprise me if they gave up too easily to save him, sounds he had a bad luck with his team. The other team are heroes though.
I personally don’t think they should take someone’s belongings if they leave them up there. That’s just certain death and taking away a slim chance they could survive. If I was climbing a mountain like that I don’t feel like I couldnt pass someone up that needed help. Whatever help it may be. I do think climbers and sherpas know that risk they take signing up for it too. Fire fighters take risk daily to save ppl and they are well aware of the dangers of their job they picked.
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The mountain will reveal the true face of those who climb it. I’d say I wouldn’t want to meet the people who left him there and stole his things.
Truly appreciate that you took the time to watch, thank you!
I am not a climber, don’t like the cold and can’t see spending tens of thousands of dollars on it. However I have found myself intrigued by those who do and really enjoy your videos.
I am not a climber, don’t like the cold and can’t see spending tens of thousands of dollars on it. However I have found myself intrigued by those who do and really enjoy your videos.
Alex from russian team was Alex Abramov?
Wasn’t Thomas Weber the climber who consistently went blind at high altitude because of a prior surgery? I think I watched a documentary about him…believe his guide was a Dutchman.
50 years old is way too old to be climbing Mount Everest. If somebody wants to climb this mountain. They need to do it before they reach 40. It doesn't matter how much experience you have once you get to a certain age your body just cannot recover like it did when it was younger. Most people that die from altitude sickness are older than 40.
That would be my luck id pay a lifetime worth of money to climb Everest and find some random guy alive and thinking hes on a boat 😂😅
old man, how many times have you been to Everest?
@@MiloradTomovicTOZO when you learn to treat people with respect, others will treat you with the same respect. The Golden Rule, my friend. The Golden Rule.
@@EverestMystery I don't know why you got offended if I asked you how many times you've been to Everest?
@@MiloradTomovicTOZO sorry my man, in the USA calling someone that would be a direct provocation and unkind to say. I'm not offended, it made me chuckle. I've traveled far and wide and I can't remember if I've ever heard someone say that before. Anyway, I typed up a great background of my Everest experience in the About section on the home page of this channel. I'd be grateful if you Subscribed to @EverestMystery so you could see what other videos this 'old man' has that might interest you cheers and thanks
@@EverestMystery I wish you a lot of success in your work, your channel is extra, I am your follower, my question was not an introduction, but I wanted to hear if you had the honor to be in that environment, at the end, a big greeting for you, sir
That guy sounded 27 lol I was just listening to this one and walked back up to the video and was shocked af
LOL not everyone over 50 sounds like Methuselah.
My ex wife used to say I acted and sounded way younger than my age lol
RIP Lincoln 🦄💜
I suppose that I'm falling into the trap of situational ethics, but it seems harsh that the Sherpa team took all of Lincoln Hall's gear when they determined he would not make it down. Maybe there was a valid reason for it based on their assessment of his condition, but it sure is a head scratcher.
Close one eye, squint with the other, it might look like something else than looting the dead, and by “dead” I mean in the Monty Python “Quit complaining you’ll be stone dead in a moment” way.
The ones who decided he was dead thats who...!..sad story but happy he had the gutt to rise up and survived.....
What an epic story…embarrassing the incident took place on his teams part
He wasn't dead when they abandoned him, and taking his gear greatly reduced his chances. Then they didn't seem to want to come back the next day. There weren't many heros in this story.
I'm not judging anyone but if something goes wrong you are risking other people's lives if they try saving you.
I probably have a different mindset than most people but in my business if your buddy goes down your objective changes to saving your team member. This thing where climbers see someone who’s still conscious and moving and convince themselves that the victim is “as good as dead” so they can continue their climb is what shocks and appalls people.
If Sherpas are just going to grab your good stuff and leave you if it looks like it’s going to be a tough hump to get you down, what’s the point of having them?
Not always
I don't know what this vindication means; Hall's team tried for hours to help him, but couldn't, so they had to leave him behind. I mean what exactly did they do FOR HOURS? It was obviously no problem for the other team to bring him back, so how could you not condemn the other team?
Thank you for watching. The team that left him behind did assist Hall for hours, getting him down the Second Step even. Without that help, he surely would have perished, as he would have ended up even higher on the ridge. When he became unruly, one of the first team literally took his ice axe and tried to beat him over the head with it (I heard this from Lincoln Hall's own account). In terms of condemning, it's not something I do. Dan Mazur says it right, 'let he who has not sinned cast the first stone'.
@@EverestMystery I guess there are contracts that prevent you from sorting out who is to blame for what in court. But to take away a living person's entire backpack with things that he might have been able to help himself with before he was rescued is criminal enough for me. Obviously it happens from time to time, not just once, that someone is still alive or survives longer than you think they should. I'm afraid there are some people who would have survived if they hadn't been prematurely abandoned.
@ indeed! I think you will enjoy the video I’m working on today, and intend to post this afternoon. It is about a Sherpa who refused to leave the side of his client and lost his life in so doing… It’s a touching story. I hope you have a chance to see it, and that you will share your comments on it, as well.
@@EverestMystery I also wonder if and why nobody seems to have this emergency thermal blanket silver foil with them. I always have it with me at festivals, if it's too cold in the tent at night, I wrap it over my (thin) sleeping bag like a mummy, it keeps me warm and weighs almost nothing! you can easily put it in your suit. If, for example, Weathers had been wrapped in it when he was left behind maybe his hands wouldn't have frozen off, perhaps other people would have gotten up again after sleeping for a few hours
I think anyone climbing Everest has a death wish. You could offer me all the $ in the world to climb it - and I will pass.
You won't climb mount Everest because you don't want to die, climbers do it because they want to live.
That's cool
When your fingers turn to candlesticks, how do you continue to climb?
Sounds to me his team did not know the meaning of "There is no I in Team", they gave up on him fairly easily by the sound of it.
Can you imagine being left for dead? To steal all your equipment, even your harness is ruthless. I just want to say that I would never try it but respect those that do. Yes it's a risk and could cost you your life.
It makes you wonder, how the human brain can save ur body by making you think/hallucinate a different scenario than what is actually happening. Its also puts some sense into the placebo affect. Also makes u think about the people who say “just be delusional when manifesting and everything starts coming true” 😊 the mysterious powerful human brain. Had he been a aware that he was on Everest the whole time, instead of on a boat, maybe he would’ve died and froze 🤷♀️
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Yeah I think, sitting here in my warm house at 876 foot elevation, how foolish it is to leave your twin sons and a wife in order to follow your own desires that most likely will kill you. It’s almost that those who go up there have a death wish. I’ve never understood thrill seekers and their lack of respect and appreciation for their responsibilities and families.
The Russian team member or captain who left him, and robbed the man of his life saving back pack, harness, hat and gloves should be in prison. That is evil personified.
Fine if you can't get him down without risk for your own life that's understandable. But don't strip the man of essential gear that could extend his life or aid his own rescue. His Harness, Ice axe and Oxygen that's disgusting!
Specially when he wasn't even dead yet, just cold and cruel, horrible people.
They took all his survival gear, most likely for monetary gain. Shameful
If this guy's not from California, then I've lost my CA-dar. He sounds like every surfer I've ever known.
Australian. Well worth watching
which guy?
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There's a quote in the film Breakdown 'rich @ssh@les looking for trouble'.
Possibly the only person alive who would have called Lincoln Hall that. Hall was a beloved man who devoted his life to helping other people. He was a lifelong mountaineer, helped orchestrate the first Australian ascent of Everest (by a new route, no less), was devoted to the environment, as well as to helping the culture of people that supported those who went to the Himalayas to climb.
If you risk your life for a selfish hobbie then you shouldnt burden yourself trying to rescue or recover someone nor should you burden your own rescue or recovery on anyone else
Even if the people who left him were the ones hired to care for him?
Dude says "I'm not a religious guy. I'm not a religious guy, But I'm gonna quote the Bible here." Ok bud, keep telling yourself that.
One doesn't have to be religious to believe in the principles of ascended masters like Jesus, ie the Golden Rule, does one?
Judge not , lest . . .
Pretty cool that he said that....
It wasn't the sherpas that killed him, it was corporate greed. Shouldn't we be judging corporations or capitalism?
IMHO there is no judgment of anyone on the part of Dan. Unless we were there, we have no idea what the absolute reality of the situation was. Thanks so much for watching!
I think blaming “corporate greed and capitalism” when you’re talking about the actions of subsistence-level tribesmen is a long way to ride a hobby horse.
If you die on Everest, there is only one person to blame.
What about the 45,000 people who die on US highways and roads every year? Do you say the same thing?
@@EverestMystery Partially , sure, but for vastly different reasons. When you get injured while operating a vehicle, you aren't asking other people to literally risk their lives to save you. This video is about them leaving Lincoln Hall to die, a concept with which he would have been intimately familiar. He knew the risks and what risks the other climbers would have to take to save him. I don't consider driving the same as climbing mountains.. You aren't climbing to get to your job or go shopping.
Tragic story! Did the party that came across him the next morning get to try for the summit the following day? If not they gave up an extraordinary opportunity to save Mr. Hall. Kudos to them!
@@theprofessorfate6184 truly appreciate that you took the time to watch. These conversations are really interesting and help us see other peoples' perspectives. Thanks for taking the time to comment
My late mother in law used to say "Blame is like an egg. It has to be laid!" Increasingly in this digital age (which seems to exacerbate this) I ask 'Why?'
Just caught the back end of the livestream, did you put a notification up Thom, or was it impromptu? Anyway, see you Friday. 🦡
Totally impromptu Billy! Thanks for dropping by, it was great seeing you!
Mallory And Irvine Are Still My Favorite Climbers Of All Time.❤❤
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