She said a woman had been vomiting for 'a day.' Depending on the timeline, the guide at the other end of the radio seemed to have good reason to be upset. Vomiting for a day at sea level is very disheartening and physically draining. Vomiting for a day at that elevation means you're dying.
I thought that, as soon as that woman was vomiting, as bad as she was, Elvira should have at least got medical advice over the radio, or sent her back down with someone. It makes me wonder if Elvira didn't tell basecamp about the illness because her ego didn't want men sniggering at 'weak women'...
20:57 japanese group hear a woman voice , one body was missing 23:07 husband found this body under another one. Was she alive somehow when the japanese group get there?
@@AtomicExtremophile Well, that's the kinda outlook that got her and everybody else on her team KILLED... I'm pretty shure that those 'men' (whoever they were) don't really miss her! 🤨
@@davidBarrel No, she was definitely very dead. The phenomenon of auditory hallucinations of that kind, and of feeling presences where there aren't any, are well-attested and can be incredibly persuasive while you're having them. The Japanese group were either hearing nonexistent patterns in the sounds of the wind, or assembling other sound data into a thing they wanted or expected to hear. Functionally, it's a similar mechanism to the way the dreaming brain assembles disorganized nerve firing into superficially coherent dream experiences.
As a geologist who has hiked for decades in our Canadian Rockies, I have learned that Nature can turn from beautiful to terror in an instant. I enjoy hiking in the mountains but never any desire for what we here call ‘peak bagging ’…most peak bagers have egos bigger than the mountains. This is a dangerous trait.
With all due respect and condolences for this one of many mountaineering tragedies .. peak bagging seems a prideful endeavor .. why not just climb for the pleasure of being there ? .. and back off at any indication of adverse conditions ?
It was so stupid hearing how they isolated themselves and refused help just cause it was from men. It's not man vs woman in the wilderness, it's human vs nature. Pride and ego kills.
Yeah, woman and weak men are purposely teaching subsequent generations of women a whole host of vices like pride, ingratitude, arrogance, wrath, all for no good reason, and it's harming society in countless ways - and cost lives in this case.
Was stupid ass for Esau Dan to rise satan to be king of Northern Kingdom .. BONDAGE coming to all Esau. By same MEASURES they will go into BONDAGE. Yeah Esau bastards mixed with Ishmael serpent seed and vowed to keep Isaac's slaves forever
from watching all these K2 and similar vids......I've learned one thing. To be called an experienced Mountaineer really just means you've only been lucky not to have died yet. Your experience counts for nothing when the weather goes to shit and you are stuck slowly freezing to death.
@@Schnabibeltier Haha you might be right - so experience should climbers turn away from climbing mountains. From an objective point of view, this is right - but I think extreme climbing these mountain tops becomes like an addiction the longer you do it. Just as gaming/gambling addicts do, they attribute success not to good luck, but to extraordinary talent and experience... It is just a matter of time until one faces bad luck in this hostile environment...
I disagree about being only lucky because being an experienced mountaineer means you know when weather conditions are not safe enough to make the ascent in the first place. It has happened an unexpected bad weather and hopefully you are able to wait it out. I don’t think it’s all luck if you haven’t died mountain climbing tho
Back in the 80s I was touring South Wales, U.K. on a motorcycle. I decided to have a walk up the Brecon Beacons, small hills compared to this. Warm sunny day, reached the top and noticed a white line on the horizon. It was a bank of cloud heading my way. Within an hour or so I was shrouded by it, getting cold and visibly was less than 30 metres. Left me completely disoriented. Took 7 hours of walking before I got back to the car park and my motorcycle. Taught me a big lesson how, even in a mild climate, nature is boss, every time !
The Beacons have taken some of the best in the world over the years. Lads training for selection and those already badged. Safety standards have changed. You're extremely lucky to have survived.
Had a similar experience on Crested Butte in Colorado USA. Just a quick hike up to the top. Piece of cake. But suddenly we were racing daylight and rain on the way down. Finished the last kilometer in total darkness with our iPhone flashlights, which quickly died. We were one twisted ankle away from a mountain rescue. Just stupid. And we were aware of this the whole time and kept reminding ourselves to take it cool because this is how things go wrong.
I'm not a climber. But I went to Afghanistan for a year, and lived pretty high up for the time. The first few weeks were rough. I felt winded all the time. eventually I got used to it... When I got home, back to sea level, it was amazing. I felt super human. I had so much increased stamina and cardio capacity, I could run like I never have without being winded. It was amazing.... Sadly that all wore off and very quickly. Anyways, just my story, your introduction made me think of it.
This is purely hubris. As a person in their young age built home at greater altitudes than these people die at. True experience is whats needed. Altitudes difference can be similar to a broken bone. Many and almost all go into a form of shock after. I would climb a mountian with you.....because you understand
yep, as you acclimatize your body takes months to adjust, it expects the conditions. As you de-climatize, your body is rejecting the lower elevation conditions. I'm surprised you didn't get sick. You should have done a calculation and spilt the high elevation with the low elevation into four slices. You then end up with 2 downward stair-step elevations and the ending elevation, which is 3 total. You go to each of those split elevations for 2 days each, then go to your ending permanent lowest elevation. Even if you have to find a motel room at those two intermediary elevations, it's worth it. Or do camping.
The hallucinations that the Japanese team experienced is not uncommon in mountaineering rescue attempts. Humans are pattern recognizing machines and the constant howl of the wind will occasionally trigger this sensation. There's an account of an Everest rescue where the team swears they heard cries for help in the night, even though surviving outside a tent for 5 minutes would have been fatal.
Lincoln Hall and Beck Weathers are 2 who survived outside a tent on Everest. Hall was left for dead overnight without oxygen and without shelter and found alive the next day.
@@brontewcat That's not the point. The original poster asserted that a person couldn't survive outside a tent for 5 minutes in the night. These are two examples of cases where that wasn't true. (though obviously it is rare to survive that). They serve as counterexamples to the idea that survival in the night is impossible. Therefore, if you hear cries in the night, it is not entirely impossible that they would be humans though hallucinations and the sound of the wind could definitely also be the source.
I had never heard of this until I thought I was hearing vague radio sounds.. like someone was talking but I couldn’t tell what they were saying.. It was the fan! I googled something like “hearing voices from my fan” and found that the brain is looking for such things in the sounds around us.. recognizable patterns.. it’s definitely weird but it’s what happens. (Not saying this applies here, just that it happens.)
A lot of times the good weather condition on the ascend almost seems like a trap set by the mountain itself. The further up you’re allowed to go, the longer it takes to get down, and that gives the mountain more time to change its face. It doesn’t matter how experienced or prepared you are, if there’s no visibility, at that altitude, it’s pretty much certain death.
True, but a big ego typically means you're more likely to take unnecessary risk to show off. To not turn back when you still can, even when all signs point to not taking a trip.
@@faded1to3black it's not always having a big ego that gets you into trouble. Sometimes it's just not knowing your limitations. They had enough ego to get out there and do something very difficult. Many times, we can exceed our own expectations if we don't quit when it gets difficult. We can discover that we are stronger or weaker than we thought originally. Many climbers have climbed the same route several times and later died on the same route. It's not always ego that kills them. Its only a piece of the puzzle and not always the culprit.
But clearly in this case it was all ego those women kept refusing help from people until they're in too deep then they wanted help from anybody then it was too late their egos killed them not the weather
@@quickestcat40 I think ego definitely played a role because they mentioned multiple times they would not accept help from the men they were in fact adamant about not being helped by the men as they put it
Very tragic. I can relate. A good friend of mine, David Hume, died on Mt Makalu, Himalayas. He was the first Australian to reach that summit. Cause of death: persisting in determination to summit, despite it being clear they should have turned back. They reached the summit at sundown, way too late. The background was, he'd been on several other Himalayan expeditions in the past, and every time was prevented from summiting due to some event beyond his control. Bad weather, a team member dying, etc. Then his wife and he decided to start on a family. She said 'no more death-risk summits after we have a child' and he agreed, but wanted just one last try. Hence pushing past the limit of common sense on that last ever attempt. His body was never located. But they did find his video camera. The last scene is himself and climbing partner Mark Auricht on the summit, sun setting on the horizon, saying good bye to each other since they realize chances of getting down alive are slim. Mark did make it back next morning. But died on another Himalayas climb a few years later.
Mark died a few years later? He didn't learn his lesson... tragic... this makes me wonder if mountaineering has addictive qualities to it, given that they continue to want to go back after tragedy strikes.
@@gracehaven5459 Very addictive, very high risk. I have read that with climbers who repeatedly try the Himalayan peaks, around 50% of them end up dying in attempts. Not for me! Heck, I lost some nerve function in my feet, just from pissy little Cradle Mountain in Tasmania. It's not even a 'climb'.
Good god that's insane....but I understand it in a way. Totally unrelated but as a competitor involved in bodybuilding since age 14 who almost but never reached pro status winning the Teen America, Jr Mr America and my class at the Mr USA I decided to stop competing when I realized what was asked to continue on in my chosen sport. Almost all my friends are gone now and as I get older the glory of being a pro being on magazines covers and all that goes with that seems completely foolish and self absorbed but not when I was in my twenties. Its just crazy what extremes humans will push themselves to the brink of death be it a mountain climber or pro bodybuilder both totally different but the impulse and extreme drive it's all the same all the same. That's what brought me here. I think we all desperately seek something not really knowing if our chosen profession provides it only in the end to be let disappointed or worse...dead for our ambitions. I've only found satisfaction in seeking and finding the true light that shines for very few in this world and for that I'm grateful.
Bless their souls. As a high altitude mountaineer, I recognise that ego is the biggest obstacle to overcome. Turning back if you have a gut feeling that things are not quite right is paramount in survival. I turned back three times on three separate expeditions before I reached the top of Everest in 1997. There is no right or wrong. Just taking personal responsibility for your actions. If you add to that the facts that this happened in the seventies, and that the Soviet era created a unique mindset , you can argue until the cows come home. What matters is to recognise the courage and the sticking together in tragedy. They climbed together, they died together. No one was left behind. Again, bless their souls.
That "gut feeling" is so true. I have only recently started climbing somewhat seriously, and my last one was a 19,500 peak. I was doing a solo climb, and at about 18,800 feet, the weather started turning bad. I could see the destination ... it was SO close ... but I turned back. It was heartbreaking, but my gut was telling me not to continue.
What I’ve learned about extreme expeditions, particularly mountaineering, is that if your decision making is in ANY WAY impaired no matter how small the impairment then you shouldn’t be doing it! In this case the impairment was the staunch desire to do this without any form of assistance from a man or men and when the point came where help was required it was refused so as not to compromise the achievement of an all Women’s team. I have no doubt that the team was as accomplished, skilled and capable as any group of males, I’m not in any way suggesting they they weren’t but that stubborn desire was the impairment to decision making that cost them all their lives. Well done for producing the video in such a unique and comprehensive style, very very watchable
After reading Into Thin Air years ago wherein it was pointed out that if the weather suddenly turned bad, you were basically dead if you didn't get down quickly, I lost all urge to ever want to do something like this.
The part of the story that seems foolishly prideful (rather than confident) is when Shitaiva hears that another group wants them to wait so that they can catch up “and have their backs.” Her reaction, as told here, is to fall back “so that no one is on our tail.”
@@DrDeuteron Right, but that refers to an earlier group. The OP says a group was coming and told them to wait do they could "have their backs." Falling back, as I understand it, would mean that this later group would catch up.
@@Jeremy_the_unfallible_n-a this is probably because the original recordings were in Russian. (or at least I assume so?) It would kindof been interesting though to hear the original recordings with captions on. Probably a lot more emotional, though.
I'm not sure why the fact that she waited too long to report medical problems is some kind of "conspiracy theory." Every single decision she made for the entire climb was done so in order to make some kind of personal statement that she didn't need help. From the camping away from the main group at base all the way up to the final decisions made during the tragic decent. It absolutely fits. Just the same, it ABSOLUTELY didn't matter if she was a female. Many men have died climbing because of their ego causing them to lose objectivity and focus. The man that reprimanded her wasn't giving into his anger and throwing a temper tantrum. He was absolutely correct in his assessment of the situation and her actions. It has nothing to do with gender. The entire planned climb was done so selfishly and immaturely to boost her ego. It put the lives of others at risk and unfortunately, it ended in tragedy. Again, nothing to do with gender. It's incredibly difficult having to tiptoe around the facts because she happened to be a woman. They were all incredibly badass climbers without a doubt. And I'm drawing the same conclusions that I would if it were all men. Would you come to the same conclusion that the reprimand was incorrect and done so out of emotion or called the suggestions that she let her ego cloud her judgment a conspiracy theory if it were all men?
I don't entirely think she meant to lie about the sickness. Vomitting is a sign of, well, tons of things. Like altitude sickness and just generally being unwell. However, I do think she probably held off asking for advise about it
Lenin Peak is 7,134 meters or 23,406 feet at the summit. Spending the night there is the equivalent of leaving Camp IV on Mount Everest, climbing 306 feet up the North Ridge face, and then sitting down until you die. That is just tragic and sad.
Sanctus says it right. Basically just because you can does not mean you should. Lived in Boulder county 3 decades, lousy with climbers and it certainly a chest beating moment to peak. RISK. I believe the scale is feeling perfectly sound to, “uh oh”.
My uncle was a mountaineer and did rescue/recovery for a bit. He always told us one story of a rescue that turned into recovery, the body of the poor soul had its arm frozen in an outstretched position. The recovery team was trying to go down the mountain quickly (it was a snow storm) and the outstretched arm kept catching on all the trees. They were forced to break the arm and tie it to the body to get off the mountain quicker before they were in trouble themselves
I’m a retired medic, and received my sponsorship into my medic program, by volunteering for search and rescue. All I can say, is don’t leave this earth, in the wilderness. I believe your uncle, shit gets freakin nuts out there!
As a woman and a Slav, imo her decisions were strongly influenced by her desires and that contributed to a 'perfect storm' of events.. Especially waiting for the men to pass - over compensating for 'doing it by themselves'....
@@nikkoBcool You're right, sexism works both ways - it's intolerable for women (I'm a 68 year old woman, and have experienced abuse by males from the time I was little - they just never stop. Next, it'll be some pervert at the mortuary) - our society is geared to not value women. Men know nothing of this - being hounded for sex from first grade to the senior center - I get why she did it. Unfortunately, her pride cost eight precious lives.
@@ColleenLytle-sq8tx no, society gives women plenty of value, most of it is built and created to support women! Even the hounding, yes it might be annoying but men don't get to enjoy that privilege, men have to go out into the world and work like mules, no one is cat calling or hounding at us and no one is throwing money our way! You have to work for everything! If you are a women and men are chasing you, you must be attractive and desirable so consider yourself very lucky! If all men vanished overnight the world would become a very very harsh place for the women left behind! "Roll up your sleeves girls! Enough stressful labor intensive jobs for everyone!"
There are few places more isolated and inaccessible than the top of a tall peak. The weather and thin air eliminates rescue by air. Self-rescue is often the only way youre ever going to go home. "Getting to the top is optional. Getting down is mandatory" -Ed Viesturs
Yeah Ed knows his shit but even he'd admit there's always some degree of luck involved. I bet alot of the dead alpinists of the past lived by a similar motto. Also he had a little more freedom for not continuing as he was heavily sponsored in most of his 8000m quest. Most do not have that luxury
@@mpreiss7780 Everyone has the freedom to stop and turn back, the weight and impact of that decision definitely changes for the person, but at the end of the day it's knowing what you can survive that's most important. Sure it might be a once in a lifetime chance but it might also cost your lifetime in the first place.
Perhaps having the courage to know when to give in and turn back is underestimated in mountaineering? It takes a different kind of courage to accept defeat or not reaching ones target . So many make the wrong decision and push on because of the fear of defeat etc'. With often tragic consequences.
It is not a lack of courage or knowledge. It is the desire to overcome/achieve and the reward one enjoys from doing so. Humans experienced to these situations have likely known success many times in their lives, and not very likely they have previously died from the wrong choice.
Withholding the information about their sick team member was a very poor lapse in judgement. Not only is their life on the line, but the people who must mount a rescue. Base camp needs all pertinent information.
It wasn't a "poor lapse in judgment" It was malicious. She DIDN'T EVEN CARE if her entire team died just so long as she could walk back down the mountain and wag her finger at the big meanie men climbers. Totally unjustifiable and a complete lack of human empathy once again on display from her sex. And they have the AUDACITY to call MEN "heartless and cruel"
@@joshfrankem4372Exactly! I don’t know why everyone here is so triggered by the team being an all women team. They were stuck on the mountain due to poor visibility and the base camp clearly recommended to wait it out. Even after telling base camp about the sick person no help was sent out, so it did not matter at all in the end… They were trapped by the bad weather and not by anybody’s ego.
And she had the audacity to say that she didn't want to hear the reprimand... She needed to hear it right there and then, so that the following person who got sick was reported.
@@svenjamd1119BS! They would have all been fine had they not waited a day to make the summit. They waited a day so they wouldn't have to be on top with the men. Her Misandry killed them.
The mountains are merciless, close to where I live in the Alps a group of teenagers froze to death on a relatively low and easy to climb mountain because their teachers ignored the weather and refused to turn back.
Gloria that's not what the comment is suggesting though, seems bad decision was made that killed people. Sometimes its human choices & the mountain's innocent
My mother grew up in the 1930s & 40s in the French Alps. Lived through WWII and survived the Nazis. No weather to worry about there, just ignorant people.
@Razor Lover I suppose I should elaborate: my mother lived in German occupied France (Alsace-Lorraine region) during the war. Her family was part of the resistance and they had to watch every move they made. They had to leave with only what they could carry and if anyone was deemed suspicious or troublesome, they'd be shot on site. It wasn't until the Americans liberated them that they were finally safe. My mother lived through that, so unless she's making it up, I'll go ahead and take her firsthand experience as the truth. This was what I was referring to; I apologize for any confusion.
@Razor Lover bit of news for you history hater hating it wont change the fact grow up and find a real problem to fix you cant change the past same as destroying statues wont change the fact slavery happened but don't worry history will look back at this generation or two and make sure everyone remembers the dumbass shit they do now i have a feeling social media will be seen as one of its biggest screw ups
Well the mountain granted Elvira's wish. She was disappointed in the good weather conditions and happy that the tracks of other mountaineers are covered. Safety is of paramount importance not recognition and narcissistic intentions. Having a big team spells disaster for such a dangerous mission. One member's mishap will slow down and impact all the others.
The point in all mountain climbing is the recognition, even within a small community of mountain climbers, with narcissistic intentions being the prime motivation.
@@janedoe5048 That is one way to look at it. Other people do it for the love of the mountains and the need for the challenge. It doesn't require acknowledgment of any kind.
@@janedoe5048 sure, some people have that petty view, but most do it for personal pride and accomplishment rather than from recognition by others I'd argue.
Sometimes being a leader means you do what’s best for your team and letting ego and pride go , especially in a place where’s there no room for error not accepting help becuz it comes from males , knowing your team mates are sick and waiting 24 hrs later to say anything not only have you lost 2 of your group but you let pride cloud your better judgement isn’t being a leader .
Being a leader means you do what’s best for your team and let go of your ego and pride 100% of the time, anything else is pure incompetence and arrogance.
Archie's Archive, thanks for very thorough, comprehensive and compassionate narration. This tragedy is somewhat personal for every mountain climber from former USSR as I am. I met Vladimir Shataev personally. He is as heroic a man as his late wife Elvira. Let her and her comrades rest in the eternal peace!
👉 Yeah, but on a separate, comedic note, it's hilarious how Marxists INSIST on politicizing EVERYTHING! The Soviets renamed 2 of these mountains "Lenin Peak" and "Communism Peak". Marxism is SO cultish! I don't think I've ever seen a mountain named "Capitalism Peak". Maybe because it's just a different economic system(and NOT a cult)! 😁
@@HighlanderNorth1Yes, You are 100% correct! Communists in general and the Soviets in particular ideologizing and politicizing EVERYTHING! Up to the point of comic. Arts, sports, history, geography... But it is indeed completely separate issue from the tragedy to which this video is dedicated.
@@HighlanderNorth1 ABSOLUTELY SO! USA - the great stronghold of freedom and democracy is rapidly turning into neomarxist, oppressive, totalitarian dictatorship. And frankly, I believe that USA and the West in general is already past the point of no return. There is no option of peaceful repair left. Only a great revolution or a great war.
I am Belgian and I was there, invited by the URSS mountaineering association. The year after the accident. Now living in Nepal for the past 36 years. Came back with frostbite on my feet. Had to overnight 2 nights in a crevasse, due to extreme bad weather. Free caviar that time, in big cans. Shower in an army barrack all together, shitting next to each other on long planks. But enjoyed every moment.
Caviar in a can😭😭 I wish!! I’m not old enough but my dad used to tell me about the climbers. Sounds like a total comradely. Most people in the west just don’t realize through the propaganda they watch, the hellish life these people had in their own country. Until the 90s one couldn’t get a job or find a home or any number of thing without government permission….
@@miss0petersburg What are you going on about? People in the west knew about the absolute crap conditions and miserable existence they had. That's why the vast majority avoid those places like the plague.
I’m just imagining poor Galina, so frozen she couldn’t speak, she could only press the button on the radio. She probably kept pressing it until she died.
I will never understand why people have such strong desires to risk their lives. Mountain climbing, cave diving, are the two that confuse me the most. Let's climb so high our bodies literally start deteriorating fast....let's crawl underground in tight , dirty, dark spots that we can barely get through... Sorry but I just don't and will never get it.
There are adventurous risk-takers Missy who live their life to the fullest and there are those who tread carefully wherever they go and whatever they do. The timid souls will never understand what it is like to conquer their fears and experience what living is all about. Be safe in your cocoon and don't let the bed bugs bite.
I keep coming back to this video, it is so well done. The female you have narrating sounds so sincere and has great inflection when quoting that leader. It makes it feel like I am listening to that woman herself. Whatever you do, keep her on these videos! Such a sad, sad ending for those brave women.
It sounds like Elvira was somewhat over the top in not wanting tracks nor considering the fact that she may have needed help. I find it difficult to understand how anyone would risk their lives to climb mountains in the snow. Their ending was terrible. In fact I cannot imagine anything worse than stranded in a freezing cold mountain.
When you set out to prove someone wrong you've already lost important objectivity required to stay focused. I can't help but feel that it was part of the reason the ascent ended in tragedy. She pushed far beyond what she should have. The day before they made the summit run she was making comments about bad weather being a plus so as to cover the tracks so no one can say they followed the men. The choices made like to make camp away from everyone else seems child like and immature. She didn't want help of any kind and in any form until it was too late. She waited to ask medical advice until someone was already past the point of it being helpful. It has nothing to do with her being a woman. It is about selfish behavior and playing with the lives of others in order to feed her ego. That same kind of thinking isn't limited to the female population.
@@OvelNick I really do think one of the reasons she held off about the vomiting was because she at first assumed it was just die to altitude sickness. That is reasonable. But the other reason is, yeah, she didn't want to admit that things were bad.
Read the riveting book , 'Storm and Sorrow in the High Pamirs' , by Robert Craig , for a more in depth look at the entire multi-national climbing effort, including this tragedy. The women had substandard equipment and also used poor judgement. As the storm moved in (including hurricane force winds), all climbers were ordered to descend. Elvira felt she had to prove that Soviet women were a breed apart and could take the physically punishing conditions of trying still to summit. Sad the women were all lost when it could have been avoided. The "sickness" was hypothermia. As they did not want to leave their sick teammates, each woman then also died. The Pamirs seem spectacular and remote even today. The book has some incredible mountain photos. RIP to all the climbers who died during that expedition.
So that means that if they would have left their dead and dying teammates then they would have been found by the men who were 400 meters away from them. Sad.
@@rosesweetcharlotte Yes, but when in a survival situation, thought processes like that usually just end up with YOU dead, too. I don't mean to br callous, but people do often get themselves killed trying to be heroic and "stay with their people" when said people are LONG gone from this mortal coil. At that point save yourself, there's nothing you can do for the dead. They're DEAD.
Funny how things stick in your memory... not dying on that hill ... i remember it from a Vietnam war film about a pointless fight over a hill that took lives and was then yielded. Crazy. I understand it (the phrase) to now be used to suggest that something just isnt worth fighting/ dying/ arguing over.
I'm from a southern state that is about 600 feet elevation.I get mild altitude sickness when I visit my aunt in Gallup, New Mexico, which is at an elevation of 6k feet. I have no desire to climb mountains, but I'm addicted to your channel.
I turned back from a scramble years ago due to the extreme cold, wind and rain, this would of made it very difficult on a loose rock climb. While we caught our breath we looked on astonished as a group of school kids came down in wellingtons and trainers and unsuitable clothing, these were not the only ones we passed they just don’t comprehend the dangers of weather.
.Mountaineering at this level is brutal and completely unforgiving. Regardless of gender. All these women were expert climbers and highly experienced. Weather cares not about gender. RIP to all the climbers who have succumbed over the few hundred years humans have been challenging mountains.
@Jim Blogs It doesn't sound like any other team was near the summit when the weather turned bad, hence why no other team was effected. The Japanese team near the summit was there well after the women and they, along with all other teams were unable to reach them when base camp declared the emergency due to the weather. The team made decisions based on the best information available from the weather report and the advice of base camp, I'm doubtful that they or base camp could have made any other "right choice" that that would lead to their lives being saved. Calling the arrogant, especially on the basis of their genders presumes that they could have done something, while in reality going later seems like the only thing that may have made a difference in the outcome.
well said. can’t help but look at these replies and lol at the guy in the pinned thread who said “no ones making this a gender thing.” Some ppl are stuck with middle school-level worldviews ig
realistically speaking, weather dosent "care" about anything because its not alive, but it is FAR more harsh on females than males due to the physical limitations of females.
You did a fine job of explaining this tragedy, with information I have never heard about or seen, or maybe you just explained it better than others, either way, u did excellent work in making this tragedy unfold before our eyes. Great work. Keep it up.
Elvira asking base camp for recommendations on what to do is a moment that shouldn’t be missed. Up until that point they turned down all assistance from men. Here she changes her view of it from a mission to prove herself and women everywhere as capable, to a mission to simply stay alive. I can only imagine the somber moment in their tents where they agreed to ask base camp on what to do...
All climbers everywhere ask base camp for advice regularly, that is what base camp is for, they have access to reports, communications with other expeditions and a clear view of the entire mountain.
Worse. Imagine being stranded on a mountain, battered by the howling snowstorm, cold and scared, and a group member is violently ill. That was before the blizzard supposedly blew everything away, including the tent, which doomed them for certain. It's possible someone did lose it.
As a woman, I have to say they are everything toxicity against men is about. I don’t understand why we have to make it a battle. It’s humans vs the mountain. Isolating their tents ? That’s such a ridiculous thing because it indicates their overall demeanor. “It’s snowing and it’s good because we won’t have tracks so nobody accuses us of following tracks”. This woman was an idiot and sadly she found more idiots to follow this toxic mentality. It’s true what we say, too much ego kills talent. In this case kills more things unfortunately
You don't understand why women, in the face of millennia of misogyny, would want to prove they are capable all on their own? Men have died for much less. Her team knew the risks and were game. Nature had different plans.
I don’t think the clicking was “futile” they were clicking while they still had the strength. They were communicating and they knew it. She was being as courageous as possible as long as possible. Admirable.
It was futile from the very start. Shitaiva thought herself greater than assistance, and refused any and all help until shit hit the fan. She did everything possible to be the worst climber- a head strong person who refused help in order to 'look good'. That is a doomed climb from the get go.
@@peterolbrisch1653 you do the best you can. Even when you’ve got 15 seconds to live. Or you quit or never challenge yourself and live like a plant. It’s all part of who we are.
I cannot believe that I have never heard of this tragedy before! I was only 8yrs old when it happened but since the Everest disaster in 1996 I've been intrigued by climbing accidents. Trying to comprehend why climbers will subject themselves to so many risks just to climb to the top of a mountain.🤯Blows my mind! Thank you for the great content. New sub!👍
One would have thought that the mountain’s first two separate deaths would have given the women pause. Looking back it appears to have been a sign of the tragedies about to occur in.
Shatayeva’s group didn’t die because they were women, but unfortuntely, because they wanted to make a point about being women. This compromised her decision making and jeopardized the group’s safety. I know many female climbers who are extremely capable. This is not about that. But in order to understand the chain of events leading to the catastrophe, we shouldn’t sugarcoat it. Yes, the weather was the ultimate factor, but there are important reasons beyond that why her group ended up in that situation. Doing otherwise is a final insult to the point about equality she was trying to make.
I understand your point. I recently watched Free Solo AH movie, it was interesting that Honnold went up the first pitch and said , I'm not feeling it. went and trained another 3 months before the real accent was filmed. I have always heard of pros declining various routes for what they felt was too dangerous or sketchy. It seems these women chose a route with in their skill set, and probably would have survived Mountain sickness and all. if it were men in the same situation would they really have a different outcome?
I learned in my wilderness survival class to be prepared for the worst but expect the best.Our final test was to hike to a location and build a snowcave we of course had to prove we could create a fire with flint and steel before we were even allowed on the bus. One of the best experiences of my life. I am now 50 and still feel prepared for anything and I live in the foothills of mt rainier. People like the leader of this group certainly had a huge hole in her soul and felt she had something to prove and that is a dangerous combination.
Very interesting story that I have never heard before. Thank you for the information. As a woman I have to say it’s sad that woman then and today feel the need to prove their ability to do things totally on their own. This was no walk in the park so when things seemed dire they should have requested help. Pride comes before a fall. Whether men or women who climb when their egos gets in the way of safety they really don’t belong on a mountain. There are plenty of bodies to prove my point.
She was mature enough to recognise She didn't totally believe in herself, not like the people today, but as proud as them to refuse any help even if it would have saved their lives. Very bizarre. Very sad for the innocent women who decided to follows her in that attempt. They didn't deserve to die.
I wonder if they knew about the more recent changes on the mountain, especially given the time this took place and how news might not have traveled so quickly back then. It sounded as if they were picking a notably "easy" mountain to start on where, previously, it would be almost unthinkable to die. But did they know about the recent weather shift? It might have been that they didn't expect to run into such a dangerous situation because, as far as they were aware, it might not have happened there ever before. But I don't know how much they knew. But they may have been going in figuring "this is a beginner climb" that they would be more than prepared for, only for the weather to turn in a way that it seems like no climbing team could get through. I do feel bad for them because it's not like people who have never climbed saying they're "going to climb Mount Everest". They had experience. They picked something supposedly easy to start with. By all accounts, they were taking care of their equipment and everything. And they just wanted to go up alone - as did other climbers who were going solo. The biggest actual mistake seemed to be not reporting illness. With the weather as bad as it was and other teams not being able to get through it, either, it seems like they ran into something that no one could really do anything about, though, so I wonder if that even made a difference in the end. It doesn't sound like they "refused help" really. Yes, they wanted to climb alone, but it's not like someone was able to reach them at the top and they turned them away. People couldn't get to them. It just really sounds like no one was expecting that kind of turn in the weather or for it to last so long, and it wasn't the type of weather anyone was able to get through.
@@emeryltekutsu4357No, I've listened to it. "Want to climb alone" is a nonsense reason to reject help and act the way they did. It's mountain climbing, not therapy.
@@RobinTheBot Do you feel the same way about the other climbers who also went up alone at the same place at the same time they were doing it? If you do that's fine. But consistency is important. No one seems to be yelling about the other climbers who were going it alone and had the good fortune of not getting caught on the wrong side of the weather.
I had never heard of this event before. Thanks for creating an excellent documentary on it. Weather forecasting back in the early '70's was poor relative to what we enjoy today. But even now, we have reasonably experienced climbers die from fast moving storms on Oregon's Mt. Hood. At 11,250 feet it's altitude is over TWO MILES LESS than Mt. Lenin.
Why do people think this was turn of the century? They had weather forcasts! It was a rogue storm like in 97 on Mt. Everest that killed a lot of people!! Jeeezzz!!!!
One of the most interesting but tragic stories on mountaineering that I've never heard of. Thank you for posting this. R.I.P. to all of those brave women.
It doesnt matter how smart, strong, fast, or accomplished you are; it doesnt matter how many glass ceilings you've shattered or what's between your legs. When you decide to challenge nature because you think it is inferior to you, you will lose. . . everytime.
This happened in the old Soviet Union. With the Soviet Union, very little news was ever let out by the state media; it was strictly censored. That's a communist ploy... like they're doing here in the U.S. now under this new Marxist rule. Everyone will be kept dumb.
Unfortunately it sounds like their pride and ego might have contributed to their deaths. While I understand the point they were trying to make, it's foolish to turn away a helping hand and to prefer conditions were more difficult just to prove that point.
There are large teams behind those successful "single person" challenges such as long distance swimming and mountain climbing. One recent example is Seal Team 6's killing of Osama Bin Laden had a backup of over 10,000 people to make sure what happened happened.
@@spiritmatter1553 I'm pretty sure it was... There were a lot of angry men saying hateful things about women after Billie Jean King won that game, I recall. Especially since she wasn't conventionally attractive, and turned out to be a lesbian, too! I've found that some guys just can't stand the idea that there are women out there whose worlds don't revolve around them.
But they made the summit just fine and it was a turn in the weather, not lack of help. Any men with them would have been in the same boat - stuck at the summit due to weather.
@@sergeantpepper3723 Yes, But she did say that she was disappointed how easy it was to get to the summit. That type of mentality always makes people over confident and normally leads to disaster. While the weather itself wasn't their fault, it's never good to go onto a dangerous climb overconfident and downplay the land as it can lead people to overlook the most minor factors. And as you can see, it would bite them on the rear end.
Pride and ego got these women killed. As soon as one became ill they should have radioed for help or turned around. Elvira cared more about her proving a point than the safety of her friends smh.
Good luck trying to 'prove something' when you're being PINNED DOWN by hurricanes and snowstorms, at 100+ MPH winds, reaching sub-zero freezing temperatures... Good luck with that! 🥶
@@OtomoTenzi right! Like the fatal mistake here was having the undertaking in her mind not as, “this will be a great victory for us,” but instead as “this will be a great victory for women!”. The mountain gods don’t notice, and no amount of grit or willpower will overcome that.. Your success is your success, as is your failure. If they succeeded that would show women can do it, i guess, sure. But if they didn’t, that wouldn’t prove anything. sometimes shit doesn’t pan out.
Literally yes. She got that entire group killed SOLELY because she wanted to finger-wag at men and push her stupid feminist agenda. This is why women SHOULD be kept away from life-or-death stuff like this, because they are SUPER susceptible to allowing their more emotional brains to make horrible decisions based on ideological grounds rather than logical ones.
They were no doubt wishing the good weather - the good weather they were disappointed in at first - had remained - along with the tracks of those gone before - the tracks they were glad were gone at first- had remained. Paid the heaviest price for not wanting help from the other team just because they wanted to prove themselves as women - rather than exceptionally strong humans.
@@kishanchali8752.....While I realize that you are just being contrary, your comment was silly. If a group of MEN had been hounded by their contemporaries and called "pansies" or "useless airheads who would never be able to climb a dunghill", those men might have tried beyond endurance also....in fact, countless expeditions of all sorts have ended in tragedy throughout human history...think Arctic exploration, attempting to find the Northwest Passage, sailing for unknown lands, etc.
Thanks for sharing. They made a series of poor but deliberate decisions and it cost eight precious lives. It's a very sad event, more so because it was preventable.
Poor decision making has been at the root of many tragedies; males and females have chosen badly. It is particularly sad if bullying led to this group marching unwisely into catastrophe. Gender did not determine the outcome, but it may have influenced the poor timing of the offset.
What decisions? The only poor decision I perceive that may have influenced the outcome in a way that was foreseeable was that they chose to scale the mountain during the year it took its first two lives-which perhaps should have been justification to delay the trip. It seems that everything else that went wrong (poor visibility, sickness, hypothermia, loss of equipment) were the result of adverse weather conditions that nobody could anticipate or control.
It was not preventable. So therefore there were no deliberate and poor decisions. When you have zero visibility that is the condition. There is nothing for you to decide about it if you are already stuck at the top. Descent was not possible. You need much better listening skills because you missed key points of this video. Learn to be a better listener. Give this group respect. They did all they could but froze. All visibility was gone and all gear blew away.
A sad tragedy. There is no doubt that the group was competent, and any other climbing team trapped in their final situation would probably have met a similar fate. What comes to my mind is that they were so determined to succeed solely on their own terms, unassisted, that they took risks. Under favorable circumstances, most of these risks MAY have seemed acceptable, but the group instead ended up in a Worst Case situation. Not the first or the last time an individual or a group pushed too far or too hard at the wrong time, and unfortunately paid for it.
Yet male teams behind them didn't die. This was ego, pride, arrogance, and feminism. They didn't do a good job proving that women can logically factor in everything and do it themselves did they? No.....they all died.....stubbornly and stupidly.
@@gomahklawm4446 It could just as easily have been any other kind of one-note team - nationality, ethnicity, politics, eye-color, whatever. Tunnel vision is what basically killed them, not feminism as such.
This is so well put together and presented. With only still photographs, some film footage, and presumably good research and a good and clear script, this video really makes this story come to life. I had not heard of this incident before, as in the West, we mainly hear about Western climbers, of course. I know they Soviet Union and its current constituent states had and have a lot of great mountaineers and a great tradition of alpinism. As to the women's team- it is clear they made no mistakes that any male team would not have made, if they made any. The weather in Tien Shan and Pamir can be brutal, and no human can withstand it.
The Shatayeva incident is just as eerie as Dyatlov Pass and Kamar Daban. They said their stuff was blown away by a blizzard. The last transmission was from someone not Shatayeva saying there are two left and they will die soon. But when the site was investigated, there was a kettle on a rock that should have been blown away in a blizzard and the tent was torn up. It could not have been destroyed by a blizzard but rather, someone going insane. Even someone from a nearby group said it wasn't how it happened.
Seems odd that information would be left out if it were true, it would change the entire story. Do you know whereabouts that was reported/where one can read about it? Are there photos like there were with Dyatlov Pass?
I have not heard of Kamar Daban, I will have to look that up. But Dyatlov Pass has been conclusively solved within the last couple years, there was nothing supernatural or conspiratorial about it. And yet ppl keep making conspiracy videos about Dyatlov....
@@dfuher968 the conclusive evidence of dyatlav isn't conclusive. The weight of so little snow couldn't have crushed a skull. The conclusions made rely on the people reading having no experience with bad weather and snow. I'm not saying that it was something supernatural, just that the evidence provided as conclusive does more to disprove the arrived at conclusion than to support it.
Nah, it was gender AND pride. Don't be a white knight at the cost of your intellect. This is a typical case of women thinking they are men, and a lot of people, not just themselves, paying the prize for it.
@@mikeoxmall3847 Did you miss the part where when these women were dying there were several groups of men that thought the weather was still good enough to head on up?They abandoned their summit attempt and regardless of the weather went to rescue the women as men always do and still made it down alive in the same weather.Stop believing in feminist propaganda because feminism has destroyed countless lives.Probably millions, mostly women and children’s lives.
As a slightly experienced climber, she made a ton of ridiculous mistakes and should not have gone without someone more experienced. Even if this mountain was considered safe, she was not trained to deal with emergencies. The fact that they diagnosed her sick friend as having liver issues is so telling of their ignorance. It’s really sad.
@@harpoon_bakery162 Some mountains are considered to be safer climbs than others. It depends on the conditions, the weather, and the mountain itself. This was was most certainly NOT considered even remotely safe as it was a high-risk climb.
I climb too. Climbs like this I would never even do. Anyone brave enough to do them should be so fucking cautious and wary. None of this ‘tough it out shit’. You turn back! I think i’d rather climb Al Capitan without a rope than do one of these climbs.
Jesus, I feel sorry for these women. Not the leader so much as I have a suspicion she pushed on past the event horizon into tragedy but everyone who was inspired by her to go along.
She killed them all the moment she failed to report that one of her team had taken ill. She hid this information so they wouldn't be recalled before reaching the summit and in an attempt to avoid reprimand she continued to hide it until the situation was out of hand. I guarantee you the first one that died was the sick one.
She also could've been thinking it was altitude sickness which can present I. The same way. But let's not forget there wasn't exactly an opportunity to just turn around. I've vomited before and thought it was just something I ate only realizing later it was a bug. Sometimes it can be a 24 hour thing and perhaps they were figuring it would do know good since the weather trapped them. What concerns me is the video of them sharing food.... if it was viral it would've made the rounds quick and further weakened the hikers
@@bartonbella3131 She was capable of contacting base camp at any time and could of queried those concerns. If she had done so she would have been advised to make camp at a safer altitude. She decided not to.
Yup, poor leadership. Not being a doctor but not reaching out for one is just asking for trouble. If it were altitude sickness you should absolutely not go higher. Nothing wrong with following tracks either, and the comment after being reprimanded at the summit, it's a poor attitude. That reprimand was a case of the base camp telling her, her actions/decisions are poor. Then there's losing all their gear, it's like The Most crucial part of your survival and it's not like it was some freak wind as it was windy the whole time they were up there. The mountain is no place for bravado and doesn't care if you're male or female.
That's a carefully researched video, thanks for your effort. I don't believe I have ever 'conquered' a mountain, although I have climbed dozens. Every climb is a gamble based on luck, route finding, weather circumstance, perseverance, and lastly, skill. With experience comes a humble recognition that anything can happen, even on routes that should be safe.
As a life long expert surfer and very highly skilled ski and snowboarder, I always tell average folk that douboe black diamond and big waves are not about having fun. No one has fun and is smiling in those places. It’s survival and a self test. No regular human smiles and cheers under such grave and dangerous circumstances. It’s an accomplishment, that’s it. A prideful one but not a celebration. People are too ego driven.
Carefully "researched" doubt it. Narrator give a lot of opinions such as the female group were pressure to advance . Yet from the articles who weren't biased and testimony from other groups. They had offer help yet the women decline and even refuse advice from the radio opactions. All because they were men even though there were women in those group with the men. She being a Marxist feminist was removed which would have explained her actions. As she want to prove "we need no man".they pressure her to pick the are more dangerous peak which is false as she herself choose lenin peak the lowest pea of all the Mountains ever climb and there been no de@th.
I knew Boris Kletsko , who was in that base camp doing one if the communications, he was working at Leningrad Television, was doing sport’s programming. I remember him very well since I was a kid, remember his TV Family show.unfortunately, after long illness he had died in 2001.
A reprimand in that context is more like a military reprimand. It is an official punishment more than anything else. It marked her as a failure as a leader, since she didn't report the situation to save her pride. Reprimands like that are issued to, for example, squad leaders who don't perform their job correctly, and men die needlessly in combat under their command. Essentially, as a leader, she is a failure -- she caused the death of her comrades.
I am continually fascinated by these stories of extreme sport tragedies and triumphs. I cannot wrap my brain around treating the gift of life so wrecklessly. No matter if its deep diving, swimming among sharks, hiking alone in desolate places, skydiving, surfing humongous waves, snowboarding down the highest mountains on earth or summiting fever it boggles my mind why would someone do these things? I dont get it but its like a bad car wreck i cannot look away. 😢
We're all going to die, so why not go out with a bang? You could spend your life on a couch watching TV and live for 90 years, but is that really living? It's terrible to go out when you're in you're twenties or thirties, but any of us could drop from a heart attack at any age regardless. May as well live while you can, even if it ends with a shorter life.
Great video, tragic story. Most times, when I hear about mountain climbing deaths, I have a hard time wrapping my head around why people even take the risk. Your storytelling brought to life their determination and passion, and gave it humanity. I look forward to watching more of your content! I’ve subscribed 😁
New sub! Loved the way you presented this story - great quality, even better than some of the big channels I watch. I've never heard of this story before, so sad but very interesting.
They proved themselves on several peaks before the tragedy. Nature will always be stronger than any of us and severe weather changes are common in the alps, the higher they are, the more severe and unpredictable the risks, avalanche snow storm or other, on any day. Its just a very, very dangerous sport intrinsically…man..or…woman. May they RIP 😔
I get their ideal.. But the refusal to accept assistance from men in order to acheive their ultimate goal, seems to have blinded them to the basic tenet that mountsineering is a team effort, requiring collaboration, cooperation, and ingenuity from ALL, not just a particular sex. But then, they probably all realused this too late...
Until the storm, the assistance of men wasn’t necessary. When it was, men were largely unwilling or unable to help. I don’t see how this tragedy can be blamed on their independence.
@@NotSure109 Yeah, but it doesn't help that the reason she felt that way is due to hundreds of years of men saying that 'women don't belong in mountain climbing'. Instead of completely blaming her, put some blame the countless people who probably told her she shouldn't climb solely based on her gender.
She said a woman had been vomiting for 'a day.' Depending on the timeline, the guide at the other end of the radio seemed to have good reason to be upset. Vomiting for a day at sea level is very disheartening and physically draining. Vomiting for a day at that elevation means you're dying.
I thought that, as soon as that woman was vomiting, as bad as she was, Elvira should have at least got medical advice over the radio, or sent her back down with someone.
It makes me wonder if Elvira didn't tell basecamp about the illness because her ego didn't want men sniggering at 'weak women'...
20:57 japanese group hear a woman voice , one body was missing 23:07 husband found this body under another one. Was she alive somehow when the japanese group get there?
@@AtomicExtremophile Well, that's the kinda outlook that got her and everybody else on her team KILLED... I'm pretty shure that those 'men' (whoever they were) don't really miss her! 🤨
@@OtomoTenzi ok now wait. While I agree that it was likely her pride that caused them to take unneccessary risks. That was uncalled for.
@@davidBarrel No, she was definitely very dead. The phenomenon of auditory hallucinations of that kind, and of feeling presences where there aren't any, are well-attested and can be incredibly persuasive while you're having them. The Japanese group were either hearing nonexistent patterns in the sounds of the wind, or assembling other sound data into a thing they wanted or expected to hear. Functionally, it's a similar mechanism to the way the dreaming brain assembles disorganized nerve firing into superficially coherent dream experiences.
As a geologist who has hiked for decades in our Canadian Rockies, I have learned that Nature can turn from beautiful to terror in an instant. I enjoy hiking in the mountains but never any desire for what we here call ‘peak bagging ’…most peak bagers have egos bigger than the mountains. This is a dangerous trait.
As a fireman AND a mother of 4, please think I have an important opinion
Arrogance before tragedy. Many such cases.
Follow FORESTRY FOREST to see the mountains again.
Like the Grand Canyon. Beautiful view on top, but if you fall, you're done
With all due respect and condolences for this one of many mountaineering tragedies .. peak bagging seems a prideful endeavor .. why not just climb for the pleasure of being there ? .. and back off at any indication of adverse conditions ?
It was so stupid hearing how they isolated themselves and refused help just cause it was from men. It's not man vs woman in the wilderness, it's human vs nature. Pride and ego kills.
Pride cometh before the fall.
Feminism.
Yeah, woman and weak men are purposely teaching subsequent generations of women a whole host of vices like pride, ingratitude, arrogance, wrath, all for no good reason, and it's harming society in countless ways - and cost lives in this case.
Yes this is true
Was stupid ass for Esau Dan to rise satan to be king of Northern Kingdom .. BONDAGE coming to all Esau. By same MEASURES they will go into BONDAGE. Yeah Esau bastards mixed with Ishmael serpent seed and vowed to keep Isaac's slaves forever
from watching all these K2 and similar vids......I've learned one thing. To be called an experienced Mountaineer really just means you've only been lucky not to have died yet. Your experience counts for nothing when the weather goes to shit and you are stuck slowly freezing to death.
Amen 🙏
the experience should keep themselves away from getting into a freezing to death situation
@@Schnabibeltier Haha you might be right - so experience should climbers turn away from climbing mountains.
From an objective point of view, this is right - but I think extreme climbing these mountain tops becomes like an addiction the longer you do it. Just as gaming/gambling addicts do, they attribute success not to good luck, but to extraordinary talent and experience... It is just a matter of time until one faces bad luck in this hostile environment...
Yup. Experienced means you avoid those situations. Do things long enough and something will go wrong however
I disagree about being only lucky because being an experienced mountaineer means you know when weather conditions are not safe enough to make the ascent in the first place. It has happened an unexpected bad weather and hopefully you are able to wait it out. I don’t think it’s all luck if you haven’t died mountain climbing tho
Back in the 80s I was touring South Wales, U.K. on a motorcycle. I decided to have a walk up the Brecon Beacons, small hills compared to this. Warm sunny day, reached the top and noticed a white line on the horizon. It was a bank of cloud heading my way. Within an hour or so I was shrouded by it, getting cold and visibly was less than 30 metres. Left me completely disoriented. Took 7 hours of walking before I got back to the car park and my motorcycle. Taught me a big lesson how, even in a mild climate, nature is boss, every time !
The Beacons have taken some of the best in the world over the years. Lads training for selection and those already badged. Safety standards have changed. You're extremely lucky to have survived.
Had a similar experience on Crested Butte in Colorado USA. Just a quick hike up to the top. Piece of cake. But suddenly we were racing daylight and rain on the way down. Finished the last kilometer in total darkness with our iPhone flashlights, which quickly died.
We were one twisted ankle away from a mountain rescue. Just stupid. And we were aware of this the whole time and kept reminding ourselves to take it cool because this is how things go wrong.
I live in the Brecon Beacons. People die here because they underestimate how dangerous it can be.
@Ian Martin a bug, glitch, or any miscalculation can get you killed if solely relying on GPS also.
Would be good to say how long the ascent took to compare it to the 7 hour descent
I'm not a climber. But I went to Afghanistan for a year, and lived pretty high up for the time. The first few weeks were rough. I felt winded all the time. eventually I got used to it... When I got home, back to sea level, it was amazing. I felt super human. I had so much increased stamina and cardio capacity, I could run like I never have without being winded. It was amazing.... Sadly that all wore off and very quickly. Anyways, just my story, your introduction made me think of it.
This is purely hubris. As a person in their young age built home at greater altitudes than these people die at. True experience is whats needed. Altitudes difference can be similar to a broken bone. Many and almost all go into a form of shock after. I would climb a mountian with you.....because you understand
yep, as you acclimatize your body takes months to adjust, it expects the conditions. As you de-climatize, your body is rejecting the lower elevation conditions. I'm surprised you didn't get sick. You should have done a calculation and spilt the high elevation with the low elevation into four slices. You then end up with 2 downward stair-step elevations and the ending elevation, which is 3 total. You go to each of those split elevations for 2 days each, then go to your ending permanent lowest elevation. Even if you have to find a motel room at those two intermediary elevations, it's worth it. Or do camping.
@@michael-h8153lmao what?
@@theskyizblue2day431 good question. jajajaja.. sadly I can't tell you the state of mind I was in roughly a year ago.... obviously wasn't great. Lol
bruh...glad that you see it now.@@michael-h8153
The hallucinations that the Japanese team experienced is not uncommon in mountaineering rescue attempts. Humans are pattern recognizing machines and the constant howl of the wind will occasionally trigger this sensation. There's an account of an Everest rescue where the team swears they heard cries for help in the night, even though surviving outside a tent for 5 minutes would have been fatal.
Beck Weathers said hello.
Lincoln Hall and Beck Weathers are 2 who survived outside a tent on Everest. Hall was left for dead overnight without oxygen and without shelter and found alive the next day.
@@lydialutz Yes but neither were calling for help.
@@brontewcat That's not the point. The original poster asserted that a person couldn't survive outside a tent for 5 minutes in the night. These are two examples of cases where that wasn't true. (though obviously it is rare to survive that). They serve as counterexamples to the idea that survival in the night is impossible.
Therefore, if you hear cries in the night, it is not entirely impossible that they would be humans though hallucinations and the sound of the wind could definitely also be the source.
I had never heard of this until I thought I was hearing vague radio sounds.. like someone was talking but I couldn’t tell what they were saying.. It was the fan! I googled something like “hearing voices from my fan” and found that the brain is looking for such things in the sounds around us.. recognizable patterns.. it’s definitely weird but it’s what happens. (Not saying this applies here, just that it happens.)
A lot of times the good weather condition on the ascend almost seems like a trap set by the mountain itself. The further up you’re allowed to go, the longer it takes to get down, and that gives the mountain more time to change its face. It doesn’t matter how experienced or prepared you are, if there’s no visibility, at that altitude, it’s pretty much certain death.
Good call, my friend! Why risk your LIFE just to prove a stupid point?
It's not always the ego that kills you. The weather doesn't care how humble you are or how proud. It can take you regardless.
True, but a big ego typically means you're more likely to take unnecessary risk to show off. To not turn back when you still can, even when all signs point to not taking a trip.
@@faded1to3black it's not always having a big ego that gets you into trouble. Sometimes it's just not knowing your limitations. They had enough ego to get out there and do something very difficult. Many times, we can exceed our own expectations if we don't quit when it gets difficult. We can discover that we are stronger or weaker than we thought originally. Many climbers have climbed the same route several times and later died on the same route. It's not always ego that kills them. Its only a piece of the puzzle and not always the culprit.
But clearly in this case it was all ego those women kept refusing help from people until they're in too deep then they wanted help from anybody then it was too late their egos killed them not the weather
@@quickestcat40 I think ego definitely played a role because they mentioned multiple times they would not accept help from the men they were in fact adamant about not being helped by the men as they put it
There is such a thing as gut feeling based on years of experience. Sometimes we ignore it, or wave it aside. We all do it sometime.
Very tragic. I can relate. A good friend of mine, David Hume, died on Mt Makalu, Himalayas. He was the first Australian to reach that summit. Cause of death: persisting in determination to summit, despite it being clear they should have turned back. They reached the summit at sundown, way too late. The background was, he'd been on several other Himalayan expeditions in the past, and every time was prevented from summiting due to some event beyond his control. Bad weather, a team member dying, etc. Then his wife and he decided to start on a family. She said 'no more death-risk summits after we have a child' and he agreed, but wanted just one last try. Hence pushing past the limit of common sense on that last ever attempt.
His body was never located. But they did find his video camera. The last scene is himself and climbing partner Mark Auricht on the summit, sun setting on the horizon, saying good bye to each other since they realize chances of getting down alive are slim. Mark did make it back next morning. But died on another Himalayas climb a few years later.
Mark died a few years later? He didn't learn his lesson... tragic... this makes me wonder if mountaineering has addictive qualities to it, given that they continue to want to go back after tragedy strikes.
@@gracehaven5459 Very addictive, very high risk. I have read that with climbers who repeatedly try the Himalayan peaks, around 50% of them end up dying in attempts. Not for me! Heck, I lost some nerve function in my feet, just from pissy little Cradle Mountain in Tasmania. It's not even a 'climb'.
.....that's some story wow.
Adrenaline and dopamine junkies.
Good god that's insane....but I understand it in a way. Totally unrelated but as a competitor involved in bodybuilding since age 14 who almost but never reached pro status winning the Teen America, Jr Mr America and my class at the Mr USA I decided to stop competing when I realized what was asked to continue on in my chosen sport. Almost all my friends are gone now and as I get older the glory of being a pro being on magazines covers and all that goes with that seems completely foolish and self absorbed but not when I was in my twenties. Its just crazy what extremes humans will push themselves to the brink of death be it a mountain climber or pro bodybuilder both totally different but the impulse and extreme drive it's all the same all the same. That's what brought me here. I think we all desperately seek something not really knowing if our chosen profession provides it only in the end to be let disappointed or worse...dead for our ambitions. I've only found satisfaction in seeking and finding the true light that shines for very few in this world and for that I'm grateful.
Bless their souls. As a high altitude mountaineer, I recognise that ego is the biggest obstacle to overcome. Turning back if you have a gut feeling that things are not quite right is paramount in survival. I turned back three times on three separate expeditions before I reached the top of Everest in 1997. There is no right or wrong. Just taking personal responsibility for your actions. If you add to that the facts that this happened in the seventies, and that the Soviet era created a unique mindset , you can argue until the cows come home. What matters is to recognise the courage and the sticking together in tragedy. They climbed together, they died together. No one was left behind. Again, bless their souls.
Thank You!
That "gut feeling" is so true. I have only recently started climbing somewhat seriously, and my last one was a 19,500 peak. I was doing a solo climb, and at about 18,800 feet, the weather started turning bad. I could see the destination ... it was SO close ... but I turned back. It was heartbreaking, but my gut was telling me not to continue.
Thanks for commenting.
I'm glad that you listen to your instincts and Sixth Sense. Congrats on your Everest climb. Take care! ❤
@@mainemermaid6596 thank you 🙏🏻likewise 😊
Likewise 😊
What I’ve learned about extreme expeditions, particularly mountaineering, is that if your decision making is in ANY WAY impaired no matter how small the impairment then you shouldn’t be doing it!
In this case the impairment was the staunch desire to do this without any form of assistance from a man or men and when the point came where help was required it was refused so as not to compromise the achievement of an all Women’s team. I have no doubt that the team was as accomplished, skilled and capable as any group of males, I’m not in any way suggesting they they weren’t but that stubborn desire was the impairment to decision making that cost them all their lives.
Well done for producing the video in such a unique and comprehensive style, very very watchable
LOL- as accomplished as ANY group of males"??? your delusional!!!!
They may have been skilled as any man team but not as smart definitely more stubborn
After reading Into Thin Air years ago wherein it was pointed out that if the weather suddenly turned bad, you were basically dead if you didn't get down quickly, I lost all urge to ever want to do something like this.
That was a good book.
mountain climbing is stupid AF. dumbest hobby / challenge. put that energy into something constructive.
The part of the story that seems foolishly prideful (rather than confident) is when Shitaiva hears that another group wants them to wait so that they can catch up “and have their backs.” Her reaction, as told here, is to fall back “so that no one is on our tail.”
I wonder, was this the reason why they hit the summit late at 5pm, putting their descent into the evening, and into the deadly storm?
If they "fall back," doesn't that mean they are allowing someone to catch up to them? How does falling back create distance?
@@DrDeuteron Right, but that refers to an earlier group. The OP says a group was coming and told them to wait do they could "have their backs." Falling back, as I understand it, would mean that this later group would catch up.
@@DrDeuteron Yeah truly sad.
my guess is that you have never been in a position to have everything you do questioned by men and been made to feel less than you are....
Man these radio conversations are just chilling. It's not common that doomed expeditions are so thoroughly documented through their own words.
thats not them actually speaking though lol, if you havnt noticed the base camp narrations are the same guy who made this video 😅
and transcripts of communications are usually always available if their was any comms being made
I wish we could hear their real words. I'm sure they weren't speaking English.
@@Jeremy_the_unfallible_n-a this is probably because the original recordings were in Russian. (or at least I assume so?) It would kindof been interesting though to hear the original recordings with captions on. Probably a lot more emotional, though.
It would offer the intonations that universally communicate emotion… would be very intriguing to hear the voices.
Thank you for the very comprehensive telling of this sad tale. The photos, radio communications and commentary made the tragedy so heartfelt.
I'm not sure why the fact that she waited too long to report medical problems is some kind of "conspiracy theory." Every single decision she made for the entire climb was done so in order to make some kind of personal statement that she didn't need help. From the camping away from the main group at base all the way up to the final decisions made during the tragic decent. It absolutely fits. Just the same, it ABSOLUTELY didn't matter if she was a female. Many men have died climbing because of their ego causing them to lose objectivity and focus.
The man that reprimanded her wasn't giving into his anger and throwing a temper tantrum. He was absolutely correct in his assessment of the situation and her actions. It has nothing to do with gender. The entire planned climb was done so selfishly and immaturely to boost her ego. It put the lives of others at risk and unfortunately, it ended in tragedy. Again, nothing to do with gender. It's incredibly difficult having to tiptoe around the facts because she happened to be a woman. They were all incredibly badass climbers without a doubt. And I'm drawing the same conclusions that I would if it were all men. Would you come to the same conclusion that the reprimand was incorrect and done so out of emotion or called the suggestions that she let her ego cloud her judgment a conspiracy theory if it were all men?
Couldn’t have said it better.
Pride goeth before a fall & all that...very unfortunate.
Ego and pride have nothing to do with gender and cripples both of them
I don't entirely think she meant to lie about the sickness. Vomitting is a sign of, well, tons of things. Like altitude sickness and just generally being unwell.
However, I do think she probably held off asking for advise about it
@@rosesweetcharlotte looking at every other choice she made, she definitely lied about it to appear stronger. Another ego thing.
Lenin Peak is 7,134 meters or 23,406 feet at the summit. Spending the night there is the equivalent of leaving Camp IV on Mount Everest, climbing 306 feet up the North Ridge face, and then sitting down until you die. That is just tragic and sad.
Thank you for the context.
@Sanctus Scanderbegus You're right, I should have used Camp III as the example.
Sanctus says it right. Basically just because you can does not mean you should. Lived in Boulder county 3 decades, lousy with climbers and it certainly a chest beating moment to peak. RISK. I believe the scale is feeling perfectly sound to, “uh oh”.
And yet these women survived there for more than two nights and days.
That comparison really helps, I've never been up Lenin Peak but like most humans I've summited Everest multiple times.
My uncle was a mountaineer and did rescue/recovery for a bit. He always told us one story of a rescue that turned into recovery, the body of the poor soul had its arm frozen in an outstretched position. The recovery team was trying to go down the mountain quickly (it was a snow storm) and the outstretched arm kept catching on all the trees. They were forced to break the arm and tie it to the body to get off the mountain quicker before they were in trouble themselves
It was like the Mountain was reclaimed the body of the person who died there.
This is not true 😂😂
Baaahahahahaha
Is this a Halloween story ? 😅🤡
I’m a retired medic, and received my sponsorship into my medic program, by volunteering for search and rescue. All I can say, is don’t leave this earth, in the wilderness. I believe your uncle, shit gets freakin nuts out there!
As a woman and a Slav, imo her decisions were strongly influenced by her desires and that contributed to a 'perfect storm' of events.. Especially waiting for the men to pass - over compensating for 'doing it by themselves'....
Indeed. Her selfish pride and ego cost many lives. Sad for them, nit her, she's criminal.
By their own logic it was not just pride and ego, but sexism, she refused help from men making her sexist!
@@nikkoBcool You're right, sexism works both ways - it's intolerable for women (I'm a 68 year old woman, and have experienced abuse by males from the time I was little - they just never stop. Next, it'll be some pervert at the mortuary) - our society is geared to not value women. Men know nothing of this - being hounded for sex from first grade to the senior center - I get why she did it. Unfortunately, her pride cost eight precious lives.
@@ColleenLytle-sq8txto justify is to promote . You’d have done the same in her position
@@ColleenLytle-sq8tx no, society gives women plenty of value, most of it is built and created to support women! Even the hounding, yes it might be annoying but men don't get to enjoy that privilege, men have to go out into the world and work like mules, no one is cat calling or hounding at us and no one is throwing money our way! You have to work for everything! If you are a women and men are chasing you, you must be attractive and desirable so consider yourself very lucky! If all men vanished overnight the world would become a very very harsh place for the women left behind! "Roll up your sleeves girls! Enough stressful labor intensive jobs for everyone!"
There are few places more isolated and inaccessible than the top of a tall peak. The weather and thin air eliminates rescue by air. Self-rescue is often the only way youre ever going to go home.
"Getting to the top is optional. Getting down is mandatory"
-Ed Viesturs
Well, getting down *safely*! Falling doesn’t count.
@@TheAuntieBa Seeing as Ed Viesturs summited all 14 of the 8K meter mountains in the world, and Everest 7 times, Im sure that's what he meant.
I respect Ed very much.
Yeah Ed knows his shit but even he'd admit there's always some degree of luck involved. I bet alot of the dead alpinists of the past lived by a similar motto. Also he had a little more freedom for not continuing as he was heavily sponsored in most of his 8000m quest. Most do not have that luxury
@@mpreiss7780 Everyone has the freedom to stop and turn back, the weight and impact of that decision definitely changes for the person, but at the end of the day it's knowing what you can survive that's most important. Sure it might be a once in a lifetime chance but it might also cost your lifetime in the first place.
Perhaps having the courage to know when to give in and turn back is underestimated in mountaineering? It takes a different kind of courage to accept defeat or not reaching ones target . So many make the wrong decision and push on because of the fear of defeat etc'. With often tragic consequences.
Summit fever is very real.
Great point!
It is but that kind of decision making makes much more sense in a safe enviroment
It is not a lack of courage or knowledge. It is the desire to overcome/achieve and the reward one enjoys from doing so. Humans experienced to these situations have likely known success many times in their lives, and not very likely they have previously died from the wrong choice.
@@greenwave819 Not like they have a second chance when they lose the "bet"...
Withholding the information about their sick team member was a very poor lapse in judgement. Not only is their life on the line, but the people who must mount a rescue. Base camp needs all pertinent information.
Unfortunately it likely wouldn’t have made any difference in the end result
It wasn't a "poor lapse in judgment"
It was malicious. She DIDN'T EVEN CARE if her entire team died just so long as she could walk back down the mountain and wag her finger at the big meanie men climbers.
Totally unjustifiable and a complete lack of human empathy once again on display from her sex. And they have the AUDACITY to call MEN "heartless and cruel"
@@joshfrankem4372Exactly! I don’t know why everyone here is so triggered by the team being an all women team. They were stuck on the mountain due to poor visibility and the base camp clearly recommended to wait it out. Even after telling base camp about the sick person no help was sent out, so it did not matter at all in the end…
They were trapped by the bad weather and not by anybody’s ego.
And she had the audacity to say that she didn't want to hear the reprimand... She needed to hear it right there and then, so that the following person who got sick was reported.
@@svenjamd1119BS! They would have all been fine had they not waited a day to make the summit. They waited a day so they wouldn't have to be on top with the men. Her Misandry killed them.
It’s tragic what became of them. But, Elvira’s pride and ego damned the whole team to freezing to death.
@brownbraniac6461 Feminists don’t represent most women.
You get what you earn, when you earn it, in nature. No more, no less.
@@spectralnighttravel That's the cold, brutal truth, isn't it?
They got unlucky. Weather forecasts were sketchy at best in those times. They would have easily done it in good weather.
The Human Body (Male or Female) simply isn't capable of surviving -40 below, nighttime and wind in excess of 100 mph. They had no chance 😢
The mountains are merciless, close to where I live in the Alps a group of teenagers froze to death on a relatively low and easy to climb mountain because their teachers ignored the weather and refused to turn back.
My Dad was an accomplished mountaineer. He would say, “Sometimes the mountain lets you in and sometimes it doesn’t”
Gloria that's not what the comment is suggesting though, seems bad decision was made that killed people. Sometimes its human choices & the mountain's innocent
My mother grew up in the 1930s & 40s in the French Alps. Lived through WWII and survived the Nazis. No weather to worry about there, just ignorant people.
@Razor Lover I suppose I should elaborate: my mother lived in German occupied France (Alsace-Lorraine region) during the war. Her family was part of the resistance and they had to watch every move they made. They had to leave with only what they could carry and if anyone was deemed suspicious or troublesome, they'd be shot on site. It wasn't until the Americans liberated them that they were finally safe. My mother lived through that, so unless she's making it up, I'll go ahead and take her firsthand experience as the truth. This was what I was referring to; I apologize for any confusion.
@Razor Lover bit of news for you history hater hating it wont change the fact grow up and find a real problem to fix you cant change the past same as destroying statues wont change the fact slavery happened but don't worry history will look back at this generation or two and make sure everyone remembers the dumbass shit they do now i have a feeling social media will be seen as one of its biggest screw ups
What a unique way of telling this story via the radio transmissions. I had never heard this story before. Thanks for producing and posting
Well the mountain granted Elvira's wish. She was disappointed in the good weather conditions and happy that the tracks of other mountaineers are covered. Safety is of paramount importance not recognition and narcissistic intentions. Having a big team spells disaster for such a dangerous mission. One member's mishap will slow down and impact all the others.
The point in all mountain climbing is the recognition, even within a small community of mountain climbers, with narcissistic intentions being the prime motivation.
@@janedoe5048 That is one way to look at it. Other people do it for the love of the mountains and the need for the challenge. It doesn't require acknowledgment of any kind.
@@janedoe5048 sure, some people have that petty view, but most do it for personal pride and accomplishment rather than from recognition by others I'd argue.
"Narcissism" isn't a synonym for "arrogance." The term is misused and overused.
@@capysarah But still.....one can be arrogantly narcissistic.😉
Sometimes being a leader means you do what’s best for your team and letting ego and pride go , especially in a place where’s there no room for error not accepting help becuz it comes from males , knowing your team mates are sick and waiting 24 hrs later to say anything not only have you lost 2 of your group but you let pride cloud your better judgement isn’t being a leader .
Being a leader means you do what’s best for your team and let go of your ego and pride 100% of the time, anything else is pure incompetence and arrogance.
Sometimes being a leader means not to lead people up high mountains. Lead them to a Starbucks with good WIFI.
She jinxed it when she said she was disappointed everything was going so well.
She jinxed it when she decided to only include women on the team.
@@Grosspanzer How so? Are men immortal or something, maybe i missed the memo 😳🤔
@@Grosspanzer Except she didn't... this was ego and can happen to men as well.
@@Grosspanzer I just saw your name makes a lot of sense 😭
No. She doomed herself when she decided to choose a team based off of anatomy alone. That is sexist. Period.
Archie's Archive, thanks for very thorough, comprehensive and compassionate narration. This tragedy is somewhat personal for every mountain climber from former USSR as I am. I met Vladimir Shataev personally. He is as heroic a man as his late wife Elvira. Let her and her comrades rest in the eternal peace!
Strong and brave women 🙏🏻 May they rest in peace 🕊
To all the brave people who show us all what lies above and within. Peace and strength to them and their loved ones.
👉 Yeah, but on a separate, comedic note, it's hilarious how Marxists INSIST on politicizing EVERYTHING! The Soviets renamed 2 of these mountains "Lenin Peak" and "Communism Peak". Marxism is SO cultish! I don't think I've ever seen a mountain named "Capitalism Peak". Maybe because it's just a different economic system(and NOT a cult)! 😁
@@HighlanderNorth1Yes, You are 100% correct! Communists in general and the Soviets in particular ideologizing and politicizing EVERYTHING! Up to the point of comic. Arts, sports, history, geography... But it is indeed completely separate issue from the tragedy to which this video is dedicated.
@@HighlanderNorth1 ABSOLUTELY SO! USA - the great stronghold of freedom and democracy is rapidly turning into neomarxist, oppressive, totalitarian dictatorship. And frankly, I believe that USA and the West in general is already past the point of no return. There is no option of peaceful repair left. Only a great revolution or a great war.
Can't imagine the pain trying to go out and look for your wife and her team, your experience telling you that they are already dead...Harrowing.
Part of why it's not a woman's job to go exploring
@@okaythankyoubyeee2501 And you can do better? Sit down beta male.
@@okaythankyoubyeee2501 like teams of men don't die trying !!!!!
@@okaythankyoubyeee2501 not you saying that as if thousands of men didn't die in the same type of circumstances lmao
But a body speeds up getting that insurance quicker
I am Belgian and I was there, invited by the URSS mountaineering association. The year after the accident. Now living in Nepal for the past 36 years.
Came back with frostbite on my feet. Had to overnight 2 nights in a crevasse, due to extreme bad weather. Free caviar that time, in big cans. Shower in an army barrack all together, shitting next to each other on long planks. But enjoyed every moment.
Caviar in a can😭😭 I wish!! I’m not old enough but my dad used to tell me about the climbers. Sounds like a total comradely. Most people in the west just don’t realize through the propaganda they watch, the hellish life these people had in their own country. Until the 90s one couldn’t get a job or find a home or any number of thing without government permission….
@@miss0petersburgthey couldnt even moce to another city or travel internally without permission
@@miss0petersburgthey couldnt even move to another city or travel internally without permission
@@ipodman1910source: your ass
@@miss0petersburg What are you going on about? People in the west knew about the absolute crap conditions and miserable existence they had. That's why the vast majority avoid those places like the plague.
I’m just imagining poor Galina, so frozen she couldn’t speak, she could only press the button on the radio. She probably kept pressing it until she died.
Baaahahahahaha
Very sad indeed!
@@jonbrad8169disgustingly insensitive.
If she wasn’t such a stupid feminist she would’ve lived too 👍
@@The-Skinn
There must be a reason for his reaction. Nothing happens in a vacuum.
Whilst I can admire the challenge, Mountaineering always seemed like playing Russian Roulette.
Not sure if that was intentional but lol to "Russian Roulette." ; )
It is incomparable to that ...
Bragging rights.
lol
Well said sir. Well said.
I will never understand why people have such strong desires to risk their lives. Mountain climbing, cave diving, are the two that confuse me the most.
Let's climb so high our bodies literally start deteriorating fast....let's crawl underground in tight , dirty, dark spots that we can barely get through...
Sorry but I just don't and will never get it.
Me either
Same I've got millions of years of evolution running through my body telling me how to respect nature.
@@queengoblin Exactly.
There are adventurous risk-takers Missy who live their life to the fullest and there are those who tread carefully wherever they go and whatever they do. The timid souls will never understand what it is like to conquer their fears and experience what living is all about. Be safe in your cocoon and don't let the bed bugs bite.
@@drats1279 They also won't freeze to death on the side of a fucking mountain.
Good trade-off.
I keep coming back to this video, it is so well done. The female you have narrating sounds so sincere and has great inflection when quoting that leader. It makes it feel like I am listening to that woman herself. Whatever you do, keep her on these videos! Such a sad, sad ending for those brave women.
I think stubborn women might be a better term there's difference between bravery and stupidity and they crossed the line into stupidity
It sounds like Elvira was somewhat over the top in not wanting tracks nor considering the fact that she may have needed help. I find it difficult to understand how anyone would risk their lives to climb mountains in the snow. Their ending was terrible. In fact I cannot imagine anything worse than stranded in a freezing cold mountain.
Burning to death! That has to be the one thing WORSE than freezing to death on a mountain!
@@inconnu4961 Yes, the latter is preferable.
When you set out to prove someone wrong you've already lost important objectivity required to stay focused. I can't help but feel that it was part of the reason the ascent ended in tragedy. She pushed far beyond what she should have. The day before they made the summit run she was making comments about bad weather being a plus so as to cover the tracks so no one can say they followed the men. The choices made like to make camp away from everyone else seems child like and immature. She didn't want help of any kind and in any form until it was too late. She waited to ask medical advice until someone was already past the point of it being helpful.
It has nothing to do with her being a woman. It is about selfish behavior and playing with the lives of others in order to feed her ego. That same kind of thinking isn't limited to the female population.
@@OvelNick well said.
@@OvelNick I really do think one of the reasons she held off about the vomiting was because she at first assumed it was just die to altitude sickness. That is reasonable.
But the other reason is, yeah, she didn't want to admit that things were bad.
Read the riveting book , 'Storm and Sorrow in the High Pamirs' , by Robert Craig , for a more in depth look at the entire multi-national climbing effort, including this tragedy.
The women had substandard equipment and also used poor judgement. As the storm moved in (including hurricane force winds), all climbers were ordered to descend. Elvira felt she had to prove that Soviet women were a breed apart and could take the physically punishing conditions of trying still to summit.
Sad the women were all lost when it could have been avoided. The "sickness" was hypothermia. As they did not want to leave their sick teammates, each woman then also died.
The Pamirs seem spectacular and remote even today. The book has some incredible mountain photos.
RIP to all the climbers who died during that expedition.
The book is out of circulation? Can’t find it anywhere.
So that means that if they would have left their dead and dying teammates then they would have been found by the men who were 400 meters away from them.
Sad.
@@lilheinz9496 You can understand why they wouldn't want to.
@@rosesweetcharlotte Yep, because death is better than accepting help from dirty penis owners 🙄
@@rosesweetcharlotte Yes, but when in a survival situation, thought processes like that usually just end up with YOU dead, too.
I don't mean to br callous, but people do often get themselves killed trying to be heroic and "stay with their people" when said people are LONG gone from this mortal coil.
At that point save yourself, there's nothing you can do for the dead. They're DEAD.
Wisdom has led humans to invent the phrase, “I’m not dying on that mountain.”
The hill you're prepared to die on is not about mountaineering, it's about war. I.e. will you fight and die to defend that belief.
@@bashkillszombies Took the words right out my mouth.
@@bashkillszombies Whoosh!
I am not dying there because I am not going there.
Funny how things stick in your memory... not dying on that hill ... i remember it from a Vietnam war film about a pointless fight over a hill that took lives and was then yielded. Crazy. I understand it (the phrase) to now be used to suggest that something just isnt worth fighting/ dying/ arguing over.
I'm from a southern state that is about 600 feet elevation.I get mild altitude sickness when I visit my aunt in Gallup, New Mexico, which is at an elevation of 6k feet. I have no desire to climb mountains, but I'm addicted to your channel.
I turned back from a scramble years ago due to the extreme cold, wind and rain, this would of made it very difficult on a loose rock climb. While we caught our breath we looked on astonished as a group of school kids came down in wellingtons and trainers and unsuitable clothing, these were not the only ones we passed they just don’t comprehend the dangers of weather.
.Mountaineering at this level is brutal and completely unforgiving. Regardless of gender. All these women were expert climbers and highly experienced. Weather cares not about gender. RIP to all the climbers who have succumbed over the few hundred years humans have been challenging mountains.
Sexist feminists do not care about the words of a weatherMAN
@Jim Blogs It doesn't sound like any other team was near the summit when the weather turned bad, hence why no other team was effected. The Japanese team near the summit was there well after the women and they, along with all other teams were unable to reach them when base camp declared the emergency due to the weather. The team made decisions based on the best information available from the weather report and the advice of base camp, I'm doubtful that they or base camp could have made any other "right choice" that that would lead to their lives being saved. Calling the arrogant, especially on the basis of their genders presumes that they could have done something, while in reality going later seems like the only thing that may have made a difference in the outcome.
well said. can’t help but look at these replies and lol at the guy in the pinned thread who said “no ones making this a gender thing.” Some ppl are stuck with middle school-level worldviews ig
@@TheFreshTrumpet the view that ONLY women have babies and only failed male athletes can break women's records, when they plaY dress up.
realistically speaking, weather dosent "care" about anything because its not alive, but it is FAR more harsh on females than males due to the physical limitations of females.
Pride goeth before destruction and a haughty spirit before a fall. Accepting help is not a sign of weakness, but often a sign of self-awareness.
so says a profile with USA pic. lol.
nice to see USA burning itself to ashes. haughty spirit has come to its fall and destruction. imploding.
Don’t you see that we are all connected?
Feminism takes another (several) victim(s)
@@ranirathi3379 what a drongo.
@@ranirathi3379 we are better than you. :)
You did a fine job of explaining this tragedy, with information I have never heard about or seen, or maybe you just explained it better than others, either way, u did excellent work in making this tragedy unfold before our eyes. Great work. Keep it up.
Elvira asking base camp for recommendations on what to do is a moment that shouldn’t be missed. Up until that point they turned down all assistance from men. Here she changes her view of it from a mission to prove herself and women everywhere as capable, to a mission to simply stay alive. I can only imagine the somber moment in their tents where they agreed to ask base camp on what to do...
Well, considering one of the female hikers was on the brink of death, I would hope that was the least of their concerns.
It sounds like the all of the climbers both male and female had no real freedom and were used to having to ask for permission.
You're cute
All climbers everywhere ask base camp for advice regularly, that is what base camp is for, they have access to reports, communications with other expeditions and a clear view of the entire mountain.
Worse. Imagine being stranded on a mountain, battered by the howling snowstorm, cold and scared, and a group member is violently ill. That was before the blizzard supposedly blew everything away, including the tent, which doomed them for certain. It's possible someone did lose it.
Thank you for honouring their memory so sensitively
This was one of the best, most haunting mountain stories I’ve ever heard of. With the music and dialogue, it’s very good.
As a woman, I have to say they are everything toxicity against men is about. I don’t understand why we have to make it a battle. It’s humans vs the mountain. Isolating their tents ? That’s such a ridiculous thing because it indicates their overall demeanor.
“It’s snowing and it’s good because we won’t have tracks so nobody accuses us of following tracks”. This woman was an idiot and sadly she found more idiots to follow this toxic mentality. It’s true what we say, too much ego kills talent. In this case kills more things unfortunately
i agree, i don't rly get it either. still a sad outcome.
Woman ☕️
I have to agree. The weather and the mountain doesn't give a crap whether you're man or woman, but she obviously did.
You don't understand why women, in the face of millennia of misogyny, would want to prove they are capable all on their own? Men have died for much less. Her team knew the risks and were game. Nature had different plans.
To be honest they probably isolated tents to prevent unwanted advances
I don’t think the clicking was “futile” they were clicking while they still had the strength. They were communicating and they knew it. She was being as courageous as possible as long as possible. Admirable.
I never thought I'd hear a weasel or a worm accurately describe courage. Well done.
Not going and living, very admirable.
It was futile from the very start. Shitaiva thought herself greater than assistance, and refused any and all help until shit hit the fan. She did everything possible to be the worst climber- a head strong person who refused help in order to 'look good'. That is a doomed climb from the get go.
Makin me a sammich is pretty admirable!!
@@peterolbrisch1653 you do the best you can. Even when you’ve got 15 seconds to live. Or you quit or never challenge yourself and live like a plant. It’s all part of who we are.
Amazing true story. First time I have ever heard of this tragedy. Your narration was superb. Thank you for sharing.
I cannot believe that I have never heard of this tragedy before! I was only 8yrs old when it happened but since the Everest disaster in 1996 I've been intrigued by climbing accidents. Trying to comprehend why climbers will subject themselves to so many risks just to climb to the top of a mountain.🤯Blows my mind!
Thank you for the great content. New sub!👍
Same
Which Everest disaster? There's dozens. Corpses everywhere up there.
Just look up 1996 Everest tragedy. 8 people died in one night
Hold your breath until you almost pass out then you'll understand how they think
Thank You for posting.
I get it. They wanted to do it on their own. Sorry it didn't work out.
"Ego knows no gender". - Confucius
True
I've always thought ego is one of our worst enemies regarding the human condition.
One would have thought that the mountain’s first two separate deaths would have given the women pause.
Looking back it appears to have been a sign of the tragedies about to occur in.
Shatayeva’s group didn’t die because they were women, but unfortuntely, because they wanted to make a point about being women. This compromised her decision making and jeopardized the group’s safety. I know many female climbers who are extremely capable. This is not about that. But in order to understand the chain of events leading to the catastrophe, we shouldn’t sugarcoat it. Yes, the weather was the ultimate factor, but there are important reasons beyond that why her group ended up in that situation. Doing otherwise is a final insult to the point about equality she was trying to make.
I understand your point.
I recently watched Free Solo AH movie, it was interesting that Honnold went up the first pitch and said , I'm not feeling it. went and trained another 3 months before the real accent was filmed.
I have always heard of pros declining various routes for what they felt was too dangerous or sketchy. It seems these women chose a route with in their skill set, and probably would have survived Mountain sickness and all.
if it were men in the same situation would they really have a different outcome?
Well said
Agree 💯
@@GrimMelvin yes come to think of it in the movie doc 14 Peaks there were several times they could have died in the filming where it was 50 50
It was because they were women. Don’t be ignorant lol
So glad I subbed to this channel. Great job. You have a knack for narration!
I learned in my wilderness survival class to be prepared for the worst but expect the best.Our final test was to hike to a location and build a snowcave we of course had to prove we could create a fire with flint and steel before we were even allowed on the bus. One of the best experiences of my life. I am now 50 and still feel prepared for anything and I live in the foothills of mt rainier. People like the leader of this group certainly had a huge hole in her soul and felt she had something to prove and that is a dangerous combination.
As a Canadian, I can feel the cold from your narration!
Very interesting story that I have never heard before. Thank you for the information. As a woman I have to say it’s sad that woman then and today feel the need to prove their ability to do things totally on their own. This was no walk in the park so when things seemed dire they should have requested help. Pride comes before a fall. Whether men or women who climb when their egos gets in the way of safety they really don’t belong on a mountain. There are plenty of bodies to prove my point.
She was mature enough to recognise She didn't totally believe in herself, not like the people today, but as proud as them to refuse any help even if it would have saved their lives. Very bizarre. Very sad for the innocent women who decided to follows her in that attempt. They didn't deserve to die.
I wonder if they knew about the more recent changes on the mountain, especially given the time this took place and how news might not have traveled so quickly back then. It sounded as if they were picking a notably "easy" mountain to start on where, previously, it would be almost unthinkable to die. But did they know about the recent weather shift?
It might have been that they didn't expect to run into such a dangerous situation because, as far as they were aware, it might not have happened there ever before. But I don't know how much they knew. But they may have been going in figuring "this is a beginner climb" that they would be more than prepared for, only for the weather to turn in a way that it seems like no climbing team could get through.
I do feel bad for them because it's not like people who have never climbed saying they're "going to climb Mount Everest". They had experience. They picked something supposedly easy to start with. By all accounts, they were taking care of their equipment and everything. And they just wanted to go up alone - as did other climbers who were going solo.
The biggest actual mistake seemed to be not reporting illness. With the weather as bad as it was and other teams not being able to get through it, either, it seems like they ran into something that no one could really do anything about, though, so I wonder if that even made a difference in the end. It doesn't sound like they "refused help" really. Yes, they wanted to climb alone, but it's not like someone was able to reach them at the top and they turned them away. People couldn't get to them.
It just really sounds like no one was expecting that kind of turn in the weather or for it to last so long, and it wasn't the type of weather anyone was able to get through.
@@emeryltekutsu4357No, I've listened to it. "Want to climb alone" is a nonsense reason to reject help and act the way they did. It's mountain climbing, not therapy.
@@RobinTheBot Do you feel the same way about the other climbers who also went up alone at the same place at the same time they were doing it?
If you do that's fine. But consistency is important. No one seems to be yelling about the other climbers who were going it alone and had the good fortune of not getting caught on the wrong side of the weather.
I had never heard of this event before. Thanks for creating an excellent documentary on it. Weather forecasting back in the early '70's was poor relative to what we enjoy today. But even now, we have reasonably experienced climbers die from fast moving storms on Oregon's Mt. Hood. At 11,250 feet it's altitude is over TWO MILES LESS than Mt. Lenin.
Why do people think this was turn of the century? They had weather forcasts! It was a rogue storm like in 97 on Mt. Everest that killed a lot of people!! Jeeezzz!!!!
One of the most interesting but tragic stories on mountaineering that I've never heard of. Thank you for posting this. R.I.P. to all of those brave women.
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Very interesting, thank you for this Video.
Wish you would put out more of them more often 😊
Greetings from Germany 🙋♀️
Thanks for sharing this video. I definitely enjoyed it.
It doesnt matter how smart, strong, fast, or accomplished you are; it doesnt matter how many glass ceilings you've shattered or what's between your legs. When you decide to challenge nature because you think it is inferior to you, you will lose. . . everytime.
Well no...people challenge nature all the time and usually win....they dont usually die which is why these stories make the news.
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A bigot got what she deserved, nothing of value was lost.
Pride and hubris, regardless of gender, drags people to their doom
nah... just women!
@@harrypotts1299 who hurt you Harry
seems like she was fairly modest in her hubris on this one. Chosen as one of the less challenging peaks to practice on.
Weak men with big egos commenting here.
@@paulabrown6840 LOL. If a team of men refused all help from women then I am sure you would be outraged, no?
Bro this was horrific. Sadly Never heard of this tragedy.
This happened in the old Soviet Union. With the Soviet Union, very little news was ever let out by the state media; it was strictly censored. That's a communist ploy... like they're doing here in the U.S. now under this new Marxist rule. Everyone will be kept dumb.
@@easygoing2479 Soviets were more educated than States will ever be.
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Remind me which side of germany improved when the wall fell down
First I've heard about this I'll fated women's adventure ... We learn by our mistakes as much as from our success..Thanks for posting
Subbed. I like it when I find something I haven't heard of before. Looking forward to future videos. 😊
Unfortunately it sounds like their pride and ego might have contributed to their deaths. While I understand the point they were trying to make, it's foolish to turn away a helping hand and to prefer conditions were more difficult just to prove that point.
There are large teams behind those successful "single person" challenges such as long distance swimming and mountain climbing. One recent example is Seal Team 6's killing of Osama Bin Laden had a backup of over 10,000 people to make sure what happened happened.
Was that the year of the "battle of the sexes" tennis match in the USA?
@@spiritmatter1553 I'm pretty sure it was... There were a lot of angry men saying hateful things about women after Billie Jean King won that game, I recall. Especially since she wasn't conventionally attractive, and turned out to be a lesbian, too! I've found that some guys just can't stand the idea that there are women out there whose worlds don't revolve around them.
But they made the summit just fine and it was a turn in the weather, not lack of help. Any men with them would have been in the same boat - stuck at the summit due to weather.
@@sergeantpepper3723 Yes, But she did say that she was disappointed how easy it was to get to the summit. That type of mentality always makes people over confident and normally leads to disaster. While the weather itself wasn't their fault, it's never good to go onto a dangerous climb overconfident and downplay the land as it can lead people to overlook the most minor factors. And as you can see, it would bite them on the rear end.
loved the content, such a sad story
Pride and ego got these women killed. As soon as one became ill they should have radioed for help or turned around. Elvira cared more about her proving a point than the safety of her friends smh.
Good luck trying to 'prove something' when you're being PINNED DOWN by hurricanes and snowstorms, at 100+ MPH winds, reaching sub-zero freezing temperatures... Good luck with that! 🥶
They were on the way down. They made the right choice to stay put and wait for better weather but it never came.
@@69ztang there was a better time and they didn't take it.
@@OtomoTenzi right! Like the fatal mistake here was having the undertaking in her mind not as, “this will be a great victory for us,” but instead as “this will be a great victory for women!”. The mountain gods don’t notice, and no amount of grit or willpower will overcome that.. Your success is your success, as is your failure. If they succeeded that would show women can do it, i guess, sure. But if they didn’t, that wouldn’t prove anything. sometimes shit doesn’t pan out.
Literally yes. She got that entire group killed SOLELY because she wanted to finger-wag at men and push her stupid feminist agenda.
This is why women SHOULD be kept away from life-or-death stuff like this, because they are SUPER susceptible to allowing their more emotional brains to make horrible decisions based on ideological grounds rather than logical ones.
VERY WELL PUT TOGETHER. Needless to say there are many lessons to be learnt in wherever any incident occurs; may these brave women RIP.
These were bigots, they're not to be admired.
Admire arrogant sexists that died failing to prove their point......no....
Refusing 'male' back up teams, that also male teams do not go without..
They were no doubt wishing the good weather - the good weather they were disappointed in at first - had remained - along with the tracks of those gone before - the tracks they were glad were gone at first- had remained. Paid the heaviest price for not wanting help from the other team just because they wanted to prove themselves as women - rather than exceptionally strong humans.
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Stupid feminists😊 Got what they deserved
@@kishanchali8752.....While I realize that you are just being contrary, your comment was silly. If a group of MEN had been hounded by their contemporaries and called "pansies" or "useless airheads who would never be able to climb a dunghill", those men might have tried beyond endurance also....in fact, countless expeditions of all sorts have ended in tragedy throughout human history...think Arctic exploration, attempting to find the Northwest Passage, sailing for unknown lands, etc.
@@leanie5234 they clearly expressed why they didn’t accept help. They made a decision. They paid for it.
@@leanie5234 they where the one making it about gender so why are you then surprised that gender is discussed
I really enjoyed watching this. You are a great story teller.
Excellent documentary. Such a tragedy. Truly a gutsy effort. Man or woman.
Thanks for sharing. They made a series of poor but deliberate decisions and it cost eight precious lives. It's a very sad event, more so because it was preventable.
Poor decision making has been at the root of many tragedies; males and females have chosen badly. It is particularly sad if bullying led to this group marching unwisely into catastrophe. Gender did not determine the outcome, but it may have influenced the poor timing of the offset.
What decisions? The only poor decision I perceive that may have influenced the outcome in a way that was foreseeable was that they chose to scale the mountain during the year it took its first two lives-which perhaps should have been justification to delay the trip.
It seems that everything else that went wrong (poor visibility, sickness, hypothermia, loss of equipment) were the result of adverse weather conditions that nobody could anticipate or control.
It was not preventable. So therefore there were no deliberate and poor decisions. When you have zero visibility that is the condition. There is nothing for you to decide about it if you are already stuck at the top. Descent was not possible. You need much better listening skills because you missed key points of this video. Learn to be a better listener. Give this group respect. They did all they could but froze. All visibility was gone and all gear blew away.
Tragically fascinating, this event is new to me, thank you!!!🙏👍😎
A sad tragedy.
There is no doubt that the group was competent, and any other climbing team trapped in their final situation would probably have met a similar fate. What comes to my mind is that they were so determined to succeed solely on their own terms, unassisted, that they took risks. Under favorable circumstances, most of these risks MAY have seemed acceptable, but the group instead ended up in a Worst Case situation.
Not the first or the last time an individual or a group pushed too far or too hard at the wrong time, and unfortunately paid for it.
Yet male teams behind them didn't die. This was ego, pride, arrogance, and feminism. They didn't do a good job proving that women can logically factor in everything and do it themselves did they? No.....they all died.....stubbornly and stupidly.
@@gomahklawm4446 It could just as easily have been any other kind of one-note team - nationality, ethnicity, politics, eye-color, whatever. Tunnel vision is what basically killed them, not feminism as such.
@@7thsealord888 Try actually watching the video and listening to their actions......time and time again....which led to exactly what I said.
@@gomahklawm4446 Try reading what I actually said, versus the voices in your head.
@@gomahklawm4446 Lol I'm pretty sure that the storm that killed visibility would have trapped and killed whoever was at the top of the mountain.
This is so well put together and presented. With only still photographs, some film footage, and presumably good research and a good and clear script, this video really makes this story come to life. I had not heard of this incident before, as in the West, we mainly hear about Western climbers, of course. I know they Soviet Union and its current constituent states had and have a lot of great mountaineers and a great tradition of alpinism.
As to the women's team- it is clear they made no mistakes that any male team would not have made, if they made any. The weather in Tien Shan and Pamir can be brutal, and no human can withstand it.
The Shatayeva incident is just as eerie as Dyatlov Pass and Kamar Daban. They said their stuff was blown away by a blizzard. The last transmission was from someone not Shatayeva saying there are two left and they will die soon. But when the site was investigated, there was a kettle on a rock that should have been blown away in a blizzard and the tent was torn up. It could not have been destroyed by a blizzard but rather, someone going insane. Even someone from a nearby group said it wasn't how it happened.
Seems odd that information would be left out if it were true, it would change the entire story. Do you know whereabouts that was reported/where one can read about it? Are there photos like there were with Dyatlov Pass?
Thank you for the additional information!!!🙏👍😎
I have not heard of Kamar Daban, I will have to look that up. But Dyatlov Pass has been conclusively solved within the last couple years, there was nothing supernatural or conspiratorial about it. And yet ppl keep making conspiracy videos about Dyatlov....
@@dfuher968 the conclusive evidence of dyatlav isn't conclusive. The weight of so little snow couldn't have crushed a skull. The conclusions made rely on the people reading having no experience with bad weather and snow. I'm not saying that it was something supernatural, just that the evidence provided as conclusive does more to disprove the arrived at conclusion than to support it.
Not even close! No one knows what happened in the Dyatlov pass where as it's very obvious what killed these ppl.
Gender didn’t kill them. Pride did.
no men? no chance...
It was the weather. If it was a group of men who died in the place of those women no one would say anything about their pride!!
That's right.
Nah, it was gender AND pride. Don't be a white knight at the cost of your intellect. This is a typical case of women thinking they are men, and a lot of people, not just themselves, paying the prize for it.
@@mikeoxmall3847 Did you miss the part where when these women were dying there were several groups of men that thought the weather was still good enough to head on up?They abandoned their summit attempt and regardless of the weather went to rescue the women as men always do and still made it down alive in the same weather.Stop believing in feminist propaganda because feminism has destroyed countless lives.Probably millions, mostly women and children’s lives.
As a slightly experienced climber, she made a ton of ridiculous mistakes and should not have gone without someone more experienced. Even if this mountain was considered safe, she was not trained to deal with emergencies. The fact that they diagnosed her sick friend as having liver issues is so telling of their ignorance. It’s really sad.
what do you mean "even if this mountain was considered safe"?
@@harpoon_bakery162 Some mountains are considered to be safer climbs than others.
It depends on the conditions, the weather, and the mountain itself.
This was was most certainly NOT considered even remotely safe as it was a high-risk climb.
@@Eye_Of_Odin978 worse than Everest (excluding death-zone risks which I assume Anapurna did not have as much climbing in the death-zone)
You left out pride and ego....that cost their lives....
I climb too. Climbs like this I would never even do. Anyone brave enough to do them should be so fucking cautious and wary. None of this ‘tough it out shit’. You turn back! I think i’d rather climb Al Capitan without a rope than do one of these climbs.
Jesus, I feel sorry for these women. Not the leader so much as I have a suspicion she pushed on past the event horizon into tragedy but everyone who was inspired by her to go along.
Same. The stink of feminist doctrine really caused this. When "muh feminism" goes wrong.
Same. I don't feel for her at all. She's criminal in fact. Negligent homicide. Hope it was worth it ladies....
She killed them all the moment she failed to report that one of her team had taken ill. She hid this information so they wouldn't be recalled before reaching the summit and in an attempt to avoid reprimand she continued to hide it until the situation was out of hand. I guarantee you the first one that died was the sick one.
She also could've been thinking it was altitude sickness which can present I. The same way. But let's not forget there wasn't exactly an opportunity to just turn around. I've vomited before and thought it was just something I ate only realizing later it was a bug. Sometimes it can be a 24 hour thing and perhaps they were figuring it would do know good since the weather trapped them. What concerns me is the video of them sharing food.... if it was viral it would've made the rounds quick and further weakened the hikers
@@bartonbella3131 She was capable of contacting base camp at any time and could of queried those concerns. If she had done so she would have been advised to make camp at a safer altitude. She decided not to.
Yup, poor leadership. Not being a doctor but not reaching out for one is just asking for trouble. If it were altitude sickness you should absolutely not go higher. Nothing wrong with following tracks either, and the comment after being reprimanded at the summit, it's a poor attitude. That reprimand was a case of the base camp telling her, her actions/decisions are poor. Then there's losing all their gear, it's like The Most crucial part of your survival and it's not like it was some freak wind as it was windy the whole time they were up there. The mountain is no place for bravado and doesn't care if you're male or female.
Ignoring deteriorating health in favour of summiting has been the downfall of many climber. Choose life before your ego.
Isn’t it possible that the climber became sick after the weather turned and they were forced to make camp on the summit?
That's a carefully researched video, thanks for your effort. I don't believe I have ever 'conquered' a mountain, although I have climbed dozens. Every climb is a gamble based on luck, route finding, weather circumstance, perseverance, and lastly, skill. With experience comes a humble recognition that anything can happen, even on routes that should be safe.
If you've think you've conquered a mountain you will inevitably die on a mountain. I've survived on the mountains plenty of times
As a life long expert surfer and very highly skilled ski and snowboarder, I always tell average folk that douboe black diamond and big waves are not about having fun. No one has fun and is smiling in those places. It’s survival and a self test. No regular human smiles and cheers under such grave and dangerous circumstances. It’s an accomplishment, that’s it. A prideful one but not a celebration.
People are too ego driven.
Carefully "researched" doubt it. Narrator give a lot of opinions such as the female group were pressure to advance . Yet from the articles who weren't biased and testimony from other groups. They had offer help yet the women decline and even refuse advice from the radio opactions. All because they were men even though there were women in those group with the men. She being a Marxist feminist was removed which would have explained her actions. As she want to prove "we need no man".they pressure her to pick the are more dangerous peak which is false as she herself choose lenin peak the lowest pea of all the Mountains ever climb and there been no de@th.
Amazingly done video. Subbed.
I knew Boris Kletsko , who was in that base camp doing one if the communications, he was working at Leningrad Television, was doing sport’s programming. I remember him very well since I was a kid, remember his TV Family show.unfortunately, after long illness he had died in 2001.
Like hearing a ship that's about to be lost forever. Heartbreaking.
Boy, that reprimand was certainly a timely and key piece of help there.
Sure was, it changed everything 🤣
The official transcript was different from this video. He told her mountain climbing is for men, and reprimanded her for leaving the kitchen.
A reprimand in that context is more like a military reprimand. It is an official punishment more than anything else.
It marked her as a failure as a leader, since she didn't report the situation to save her pride.
Reprimands like that are issued to, for example, squad leaders who don't perform their job correctly, and men die needlessly in combat under their command.
Essentially, as a leader, she is a failure -- she caused the death of her comrades.
If she didn't die, she should have been jailed. Her ego, pride, and arrogance cost lives.
I am continually fascinated by these stories of extreme sport tragedies and triumphs. I cannot wrap my brain around treating the gift of life so wrecklessly. No matter if its deep diving, swimming among sharks, hiking alone in desolate places, skydiving, surfing humongous waves, snowboarding down the highest mountains on earth or summiting fever it boggles my mind why would someone do these things? I dont get it but its like a bad car wreck i cannot look away. 😢
Common thread in all of these stories: arrogance and pride - it is often one's undoing.
We're all going to die, so why not go out with a bang? You could spend your life on a couch watching TV and live for 90 years, but is that really living? It's terrible to go out when you're in you're twenties or thirties, but any of us could drop from a heart attack at any age regardless. May as well live while you can, even if it ends with a shorter life.
LIFE....nobody gets out alive....one way or the other
I always say this
Great video, tragic story. Most times, when I hear about mountain climbing deaths, I have a hard time wrapping my head around why people even take the risk. Your storytelling brought to life their determination and passion, and gave it humanity. I look forward to watching more of your content! I’ve subscribed 😁
Ego and arrogant pride.
Oh! Elvira. Pride before the fall
When things start to go wrong on a mountain it does it fast. And that costed them all their lives. Thanks for a good story. 👍
New sub! Loved the way you presented this story - great quality, even better than some of the big channels I watch. I've never heard of this story before, so sad but very interesting.
They proved themselves on several peaks before the tragedy. Nature will always be stronger than any of us and severe weather changes are common in the alps, the higher they are, the more severe and unpredictable the risks, avalanche snow storm or other, on any day. Its just a very, very dangerous sport intrinsically…man..or…woman. May they RIP 😔
the desire to conquer another one is unstoppable, almost addictive. Yes, may they RIP.
She literally didn't climb a single peak worth noting in the realm of high difficulty. She was a Soviet pawn of propaganda, dude
@@ghosttowntomato exactly
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An excellent video, put together so well. I felt I was living it with them. Thank you for such a sensitive and informative film. I've subscribed.
I get their ideal.. But the refusal to accept assistance from men in order to acheive their ultimate goal, seems to have blinded them to the basic tenet that mountsineering is a team effort, requiring collaboration, cooperation, and ingenuity from ALL, not just a particular sex. But then, they probably all realused this too late...
As a woman, dont you feel empowered that you TOO can die on a mountain with NO help from men? Women's liberation at it's finest!
Until the storm, the assistance of men wasn’t necessary. When it was, men were largely unwilling or unable to help. I don’t see how this tragedy can be blamed on their independence.
Her bigotry was her undoing. Poetic justice.
@@NotSure109 Yeah, but it doesn't help that the reason she felt that way is due to hundreds of years of men saying that 'women don't belong in mountain climbing'. Instead of completely blaming her, put some blame the countless people who probably told her she shouldn't climb solely based on her gender.
@@inconnu4961 now even women can freeze their balls off!