The women yelling "he shot my baby" reminds me of a shooting that happened in my neighborhood. There was a guy who got shot and killed by police, what happened was this 32 year old guy got REALLY drunk and wandered over to his neighbors 12 year old girls birthday party. He then invited himself in and started trying to touch the young kids. Naturally he got kicked out, well after getting kicked out he went home got his pistols walked back over and started shooting through the door at the party. Luckily no one in the party was injured but cops were called, when the first officer pulled up before he even got out of the car, the guy started shooting at the officer. The officer fell back and waited for more officers before they returned to the spot and tried to convince him to surrender. Well he ended up deciding the best course of action was to charge at the cops where he ultimately got shot by the police and later died at the hospital. His mom went on a whole thing on the news on how he was such a good guy and never tried to hurt anyone and this is all the neighbors fault because they wouldn't let him stay at the party. She legit went around town hanging poster on how good her son was and how evil the neighbors are. She eventually got shunned because everyone knew she was full of bs, the whole incident at the party was caught on surveillance tape. From him trying to touch underage kids to him shooting through the door. And eventually body cams on the cops of him charging them. Sure he was your baby but you've gotta realize he was no angle
@@TS-rd7oy That happens a lot, though. Sometimes the father is too young to be a father too, and sometimes the father is too old to be dating a teenager. (Not saying she looks like a teen now, saying that she could have been a teen or late tween when he was born.)
It's crazy how family does react when their blood robs, beats, and terrorizes ppl and gets killed while doing it, they blame the person who defended himself and everyone else.
@@toomanyaccounts while I tend to agree with that statement based on the consensus of the consequences for your actions. That's attitude of dropping somebody you're supposed to care about like they are nothing when they perform an act maybe a indicator of what caused them to do that in the first place. They felt like they weren't cared enough for. Callousness is a very infectious and dirtifying thing.
@@crimsonfox87fluxule62 give you a clue when people used to care about their families they wouldn't do things to disgrace the family because they knew the family would sever them rather then live with someone who brought dishonor to the family
You don't always act or think rational when you lose someone you love. After time, grieving and healing that mother should realize it wasn't his fault, but while she's still mourning and emotionally a wreck all she sees is the man that shot her son. And objectively she's right, she's just not emotionally ready or capable of understanding his situation. When your son gets shot you don't want to think "yeah it was his fault he was right for shooting him" you're just angry, sad and it's understandable to blame someone else.
@@targaryenxmandi Nope, cause I laughed too. It’s called “schadenfraude”, which means “pleasure derived by someone from another person's misfortune”. It is normal to feel bad for someone who was hurt, but this guy knew what he was taking part in was wrong but still went along with it.
lmao the mom screaming " you shot my baby".. your baby shot your baby by being a part of a robbery crew..... these types of people crack me up.... everyone else's fault but the thugs that committed the crime.
@@CC-si3cr I think she meant “your son got himself shot by trying to rob someone” It’s just a form of the saying “if you commit violence, expect people to defend themselves with violence”
Do you remember the guy that took the bath salts and ended up eating some guys face off before being shot multiple times by a police officer. Few days later his mom is on the news, "He was a good boy.. he just made a mistake.. the officer didn't need to shoot him so many times!" It was like "Lady.. he was EATING a guy's FACE off."
@@bombarded15 he wasnt he was suppose to be there,he just didn't wanna go in because he was scared he would get recognize because his ex friend was in there
I like how in this show the old man is showing remorse, unlike most people in shows who claim self defence and have no care in the world they killed someone he's genuine apologetic and poled he had to take the lives plus nearly killed a third and docent want to be treated like a hero for what he did, the world needs more people like him!
@@elonmusk8711 This not about the acting, it is the situation in the episode that they are perpetuating. Or is it that you cannot read between the lines?
If you are involved in any nonviolent crime I don't believe you deserve to be shot. But the second you threaten the safety and well being of anybody around you, whatever happens next is on you.
Stealing is in some cases a violent crime, if you consider the fact that if ppl get caught they are likely to fight. I would argue not enough ppl get a shot in the arm or leg, but no, they don't need to die.
@@Billybobjoe_151 Presumably if they are unarmed you can usually ask them to get on the ground. Of course if they are armed or start reaching then they clearly aren't nonviolent.
@@Billybobjoe_151 never, and I mean NEVER shoot to wound, it's the worst this a person can do. If you apply for a concealed carry license and take the class they drill this in, the reason being if you feel so threatened that you pulled out your firearm to defend yourself or someone else, they have in your opinion made themselves so dangerous to life that you must act to stop them. Fire until the threat is no longer a threat. It's difficult enough to actually hit a target in a high pressure situation like that, narrowing yourself to an even harder target is a poor decision.
If my kid got shot because he tired robbing someone and that someone had the decency to bring flowers im respecting that man to the grave, not yelling because he taught my kid a valuable lesson
The man knew he wasn't going to hurt anyone yet he still killed him. That's the twist of the ep dude. He knew it was fake so it's OK to kill the man. The guy did something illegal but that should not mean he should die
@@davidinass That isn't how it went at all....later on in the episode a witness is found who originally saw one of the robbers with "Max" (the guy who, near the end of the clip, was revealed he was trying to buy the place). So the detectives learn that it was possible the owner knew at the time of the robbery, since the same guy was there again, that it was supposed to be a shakedown, not a beatdown. But the detectives also learn that the robbers weren't aware of any of that - they were falsely told by Max there were gold coins in his store in order to entice them to rob him.....and in the end the store owner was still being robbed at gunpoint and his employee was being beaten to death in front of him. So in my opinion, whether he knew for certain the robbery was "fake" or not it was still a justified shooting in defense of his own life as well as that of his employee's life. TLDR So again, your depiction isn't accurate. The robbers weren't aware it was meant to be a "fake" robbery & were beating the owner's employee to death while robbing the owner at gunpoint...
The 'near-beer' they use on TV shows always foams like that because they add a whole bunch of salt to make it look carbonated without it actually being so. It's really obvious on Cheers where Sam pours Norm pints of foam. And then poor George Wendt had to down a mouthful of this salty, warm, flat non-alcoholic beer...
I normally like the DA, but not this time. The old man did nothing wrong. The idea that he should have know they were not trying to kill them was out there. And they were attacking someone.
Did the DA prosecute the old man? Did he get convicted? Shakedown or robbery, once they start beating my employee to death, plus drawing a gun but even if they didn’t, you are allowed to use deadly force against someone being attacked. How could the DA possibly justify putting the man on trial?
Also, the guy in the hospital using Karate was semi-correct. Karate is meant for CQC, not gunfights. Guns are faster and more deadly, but you have to be trained specifically for firearm disarming moves and be in a position to get it right the first time. One wrong move, and that trigger finger gets VERY itchy. That, and there were four against one (technically), with the four being armed with ranged weapons. As such, even if he took out one, the other three could choose an angle and fire.
Had a distant cousin who did karate or some martial art. Was good at it. Black belt. He and his mom were walking home. Got mugged. He tried to fight them off. One shot and he's dead.
One thing though, while you are at a disadvantage against someone armed with a firearm, the odds to get better if the attacker is within reach and you have specific training against gun attacks (though again, still at a disadvantage). Unfortunately Karare usually doesn't train for that.
That mom reminds me of the sister of a robber who got shot. "Sure he was robbing the place, but he didn't have to kill him". 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️ It's like, you right, I like having a gun pointed at me and my life threatened. I should have just let him be.
I'm in my 50's and learned how to pour a beer from my dad when I was a kid. Im good. I went to my nephew's wedding in Japan and poured a beer for a guest at reception. The were insulted and I couldn't understand why. Turns out their idea of a good pour was from high and the more head the better. Guess there's lots of ways to 'enjoy' a beer but I still can't begin to imagine how their beers must have tasted.
@@Isabella-nh5dm same in Germany or Czechia. They even have a serving style which is basically a glass of foam. Belgium is a bit less picky, but I prefer my beer to have 2 fingers of foam, too, and wouldn't refuse 3 fingers, either. Protects the beer from oxidising too fast.
Had to check IMDB to confirm, but the cop that briefs the detectives at the top of the clip is Wolé Parks, who played John Henry Irons this season in SUPERMAN & LOIS. He was great in that!
Seems like an L&O tradition i.e. actors playing bit parts that later go on to be successful. If I recall there's an OG L&O episode had Samuel L. Jackson playing a lawyer.
@@delmicortave essentially the shop owner shot not in self defense he knew the Robbery was fake and his shop was worth a lot of money he did so because he wanted to send a message to the guy who set up the fake robbery because he wanted to buy the shop shop owner got away with murder
@@brandonbennett8368 All and all I still side with the owner, he was being intimidated into selling his property yet he called the bluff, and sadly others paid for it. In court, I don't see much chance of the shop owner being found guilty.
@@jacklau2558 you just admitted it though he would be found guilty because he knew his life wasn’t in danger New York is not a stand your ground state what he did was murder to send a message Mike cutter was on his side up till the grand jury when he realized he knew he wasn’t in danger
Mothers of criminals scream the loudest when the criminal's potential victims fight back. If anything, the potential victims should sue the mothers for raising those criminals.
@@martingriff101 Her tears would still be in her eyes if her son murdered anyone. At best, she was a willing enabler. At worst, she was aiding and abetting his actions.
"He shot my baby!!! He shot my baby!!!" Yeah, a baby that you raised to be a criminal. I can't stand these mothers that always paint the picture that their child was the most nicest and honest angel
Anyone else find it weird the detectives were initially trying to find any reason to arrest the store owner for defending his store? They were not so subtly trying to get any hint that he somehow did something wrong they could get him for.
I mean, the guy just shot at four people, they have to make completely sure that he was fully justified in doing that. I do think Lupo was being a bit too extra.
@@hikarikounothey were beating his employee, they had guns pointed at the both of them. At that point, self-defence is the only logical choice to get out of that situation.
Yes but as far I understand the owner didn't know and they were getting beat, so the owner defend himself and his worker. I don't the ending of this episode
@@gracieamazing2076 It wasn’t a fake robbery. Those injured where real. The old man didn’t want to sell his property to a spoiled brat who hired these guys to “rob” the store/other harassment. The thing is the old man confronted one of the robber before and shot him first before shorting the one who was kicking the employee. I honestly still don’t see how it changed from self-defense to murder because someone was in immediate danger but I guess 🤷♀️
Again, interesting how shows change. Briscoe or Green would never have dropped onto a hospital bed like that. If you tried it in a show nowadays, people would cry police brutality--and rightly so, guy's got his rights. But this episode must have aired while NYC was in a "tough on crime" mood, either because of 9/11 or because of an ongoing crime wave. Thus not only the rough treatment, but the widespread celebration (in the city) of the man shooting the crooks. There would be a very different reception today,
What are you talking about? Briscoe AND Green have done questionable police work. Lennie has offered to lie on the stand multiple times for the greater good. Ed left the force bc he had "broken every rule in the book". They may not have "dropped onto a hospital bed", but they have done worse.
@@CC-si3cr Abusing suspects or witnesses. Perhaps there were episodes I didn't see, but while Briscoe may have threatened witnesses with various legal penalties, he never physically threatened them. Though in fairness, neither Green or Briscoe were particularly physically intimidating.
@@johnkloosterman6277 …..and Bernard and Lupo ARE Physically Intimidating? A black comedian wing man, and a stoic Mr Joe Schmo? Intimidating? HA! I laugh in the face of Intimidating! Hahahahahahaaha!
@@Heavenzvoice yeah lupo was in seasons 17-20 and Bernard 18-21. Give the OP a hint 20 was the last season in 2011 before it got renewed ten years later in 2021.
Notice how no one wants to acknowledge it had nothing to do with race or sending a message it was self defense even if it wasn't a robbery how would they know for all they knew they might be died there that day if he didn't shoot them they obviously knew there wasn't money imagine how beaten the shop owner would've been and if he still didn't choose to move
Dude, I'm really invested in this one. What happened to the old accountant? Did they convict his karate apprentice? Did the fat "lookout" in the hospital get charged/killed? Did his mom get slapped upside her head for bitching that "her baby, her baby!" got shot? Basically, what was the plot and how did it end?
So, apparently some little snot nosed rich brat wanted to the old man to sell his property to him, and so sent the thugs after him to scare him. The old man knew one of the robbers, and apparently knew it was a scare tactic. The old man was still in the right honestly even with that knowledge.
@@jeshonloonskin4176 More specifically, the old man had met "Max" (the snot nosed rich brat) along with 1 of the 3 robbers once a few weeks before the robbery where Max was trying to make the old man sell his property. When the old man refused to sell, a couple weeks later Max convinced the 3 robbers to rob him at gunpoint by lying about the old man being in possession of some valuable gold coins. When the robbers got there and started demanding the loot, they started beating his assistant Joey to death when the old man claimed he only had $30. But yea, as you said, I agree the old man had the right to self-defense even if he might have realized it was meant to be intimidation (and who knows if he did realize from just having met 1 of the 3 robbers once before while they were holding guns to his head) because he was still being robbed at gunpoint and his assistant was being beaten to death in front of him. The only thing the old man might have been guilty of was lying (or simply being mistaken) to the cops about the order he shot the robbers. But since all were armed I don't think it matters under the law of self-defense.
Had a distant cousin who did karate or some martial art. Was good at it. Black belt. He and his mom were walking home. Got mugged. He tried to fight them off. One shot and he's dead.
The victim complex of the robbers family is stellar but compared to today... It's always the others who're responsible. How do you get to adulthood by blaming everyone else for your own shortcomings??
For those who don’t understand what happened is essentially the shop keeper knew the robber he shot and killed first he didn’t go for the guy beating his employee he knew it wasn’t a real robbery and his life wasn’t in danger therefore he killed them in cold blood and got away with it
@@brandonbennett8368 regardless of what the setup was the two guys there willing to rob someone deserved to die. No worse than what Crillo did for NYPD in the 70's
While I’m seeing a lot of hate towards the mom, you do have to understand she raised that kid into an adult. Maybe she didn’t get involved enough in his life or she just didn’t see the signs, but she’s not the one at fault for how her child turned out (unless she directed him towards the life). That kid grew up to be a criminal, who ended up getting shot in the middle of a crime with other criminals. It was his decision to gamble with his life, and he lost. The mother is crying and screaming because her son, whom she tried to raise right, is now dead from his own actions. And the person who killed him is there in front of her, and can’t be arrested because it was a good shoot. To her, it’s an injustice because now she doesn’t have a son and the shooter will walk free; but to everyone else, a form of spontaneous justice was administered.
To her it’s injustice because her son wasnt allowed to kill the shooter before he himself got got majority of the times the parents of these scums really dont think they or their kids did anything wrong
The cop that can't stop trying to make it seem like the business owner is some kind of hardened criminal is a perfect example of what's wrong with the System.
The women yelling "he shot my baby" reminds me of a shooting that happened in my neighborhood. There was a guy who got shot and killed by police, what happened was this 32 year old guy got REALLY drunk and wandered over to his neighbors 12 year old girls birthday party. He then invited himself in and started trying to touch the young kids. Naturally he got kicked out, well after getting kicked out he went home got his pistols walked back over and started shooting through the door at the party. Luckily no one in the party was injured but cops were called, when the first officer pulled up before he even got out of the car, the guy started shooting at the officer. The officer fell back and waited for more officers before they returned to the spot and tried to convince him to surrender. Well he ended up deciding the best course of action was to charge at the cops where he ultimately got shot by the police and later died at the hospital. His mom went on a whole thing on the news on how he was such a good guy and never tried to hurt anyone and this is all the neighbors fault because they wouldn't let him stay at the party. She legit went around town hanging poster on how good her son was and how evil the neighbors are. She eventually got shunned because everyone knew she was full of bs, the whole incident at the party was caught on surveillance tape. From him trying to touch underage kids to him shooting through the door. And eventually body cams on the cops of him charging them. Sure he was your baby but you've gotta realize he was no angle
That's Angel. not angle, I like your post
Jesus H. tap dancing Christ.
That man was crooked, 100º to 170º, real obtuse guy.
He has to be a "good kid" though, because if his mother admitted that he wasn't, then she's also admitting to having failed as a parent.
@@andreachilton6037yeah and everyone knows how much these types of parents hate knowing they are bad
"Yo! Shotgun man...that's what am talking about!" This was a great episode!
Oh jesus
Lol a shotgun in nyc haha yeah right.
Never mess with grandpa, and his trench sweeper!
Which episode was this
The two things you don’t shout in NYC at any point are SHOT or GUN; especially the line “Shotgun Guy”. That’s one way to start a panic 😶
"He shot my baby, he shot my baby" Maybe if your baby wasn't trying to rob the place he wouldn't have gotten shot.
Ahhh, a mother with tunnel vision. She's played on SVU and another episode of L/O.
Word… exactly how parents are today. Everyone else’s fault.
She looked too young to be his mother.
he deserved everything he got.
@@TS-rd7oy That happens a lot, though. Sometimes the father is too young to be a father too, and sometimes the father is too old to be dating a teenager. (Not saying she looks like a teen now, saying that she could have been a teen or late tween when he was born.)
It's crazy how family does react when their blood robs, beats, and terrorizes ppl and gets killed while doing it, they blame the person who defended himself and everyone else.
only the families that are scum. decent families are relieved when their scum relatives are dealt with.
@@toomanyaccounts while I tend to agree with that statement based on the consensus of the consequences for your actions.
That's attitude of dropping somebody you're supposed to care about like they are nothing when they perform an act maybe a indicator of what caused them to do that in the first place.
They felt like they weren't cared enough for.
Callousness is a very infectious and dirtifying thing.
@@crimsonfox87fluxule62 give you a clue when people used to care about their families they wouldn't do things to disgrace the family because they knew the family would sever them rather then live with someone who brought dishonor to the family
You don't always act or think rational when you lose someone you love. After time, grieving and healing that mother should realize it wasn't his fault, but while she's still mourning and emotionally a wreck all she sees is the man that shot her son. And objectively she's right, she's just not emotionally ready or capable of understanding his situation. When your son gets shot you don't want to think "yeah it was his fault he was right for shooting him" you're just angry, sad and it's understandable to blame someone else.
@@jsas2047 You're an adult, not a child. Start acting like it and stop trying to sue "emotion" as an out.
"I wanted out. I just stood by the door and hoped he didn't recognize me."
Bernard: Hmm...
*violently sits on the bed*
AHHHH
Is it bad I laughed when Bernard sat on the bed while questioning the guy?
@@targaryenxmandi Nope, cause I laughed too. It’s called “schadenfraude”, which means “pleasure derived by someone from another person's misfortune”. It is normal to feel bad for someone who was hurt, but this guy knew what he was taking part in was wrong but still went along with it.
@@dantependragon9895sadism
lmao the mom screaming " you shot my baby".. your baby shot your baby by being a part of a robbery crew..... these types of people crack me up.... everyone else's fault but the thugs that committed the crime.
"your baby shot your baby" Huh?
Lol… exactly I wrote: everyone else fault.
@@CC-si3cr I think she meant “your son got himself shot by trying to rob someone”
It’s just a form of the saying “if you commit violence, expect people to defend themselves with violence”
Do you remember the guy that took the bath salts and ended up eating some guys face off before being shot multiple times by a police officer. Few days later his mom is on the news, "He was a good boy.. he just made a mistake.. the officer didn't need to shoot him so many times!" It was like "Lady.. he was EATING a guy's FACE off."
Whew this he micro aggressions…. You all realize in the episode it wasn’t an actual robbery and that the shop owner didn’t shoot in self defense?
That woman screaming he shot my baby only made me hate her more. Your baby had every intention of killing someone’ and we’re supposed to care?
wasn't he just the look out?
You know the worst thing is that people like that exist irl
Parents and there kids unconditional love. A reaction to her child dieing. Does not make me hate her
@@bombarded15 he wasnt he was suppose to be there,he just didn't wanna go in because he was scared he would get recognize because his ex friend was in there
Don't do the crime if you can't stand the time.baretta.
I like how in this show the old man is showing remorse, unlike most people in shows who claim self defence and have no care in the world they killed someone he's genuine apologetic and poled he had to take the lives plus nearly killed a third and docent want to be treated like a hero for what he did, the world needs more people like him!
You don’t know what happened here then lol
@@xxoxEMxoxx only what the clip showes
I know I felt really bad for him💔
@@xxoxEMxoxx tell us
@@xxoxEMxoxx Boing boing
The woman in the hospital should be wondering why her "baby" was involved in a robbery instead of playing the victim...
The old man should of shouted back "Now ask me why".
@@scottsound4711 Exactly. People do not want to held accountable for their actions, but they want to have the situation both ways.
@@starbury64 She was following her script. You realize this is a TV show, right? Or are you seriously offended by a fictional character?
@@elonmusk8711 This not about the acting, it is the situation in the episode that they are perpetuating. Or is it that you cannot read between the lines?
@@starbury64 what actions exactly are parents of a grown adult responsible for
If you are involved in any nonviolent crime I don't believe you deserve to be shot. But the second you threaten the safety and well being of anybody around you, whatever happens next is on you.
Exactly
Stealing is in some cases a violent crime, if you consider the fact that if ppl get caught they are likely to fight. I would argue not enough ppl get a shot in the arm or leg, but no, they don't need to die.
And that's why castle law exists.
@@Billybobjoe_151 Presumably if they are unarmed you can usually ask them to get on the ground. Of course if they are armed or start reaching then they clearly aren't nonviolent.
@@Billybobjoe_151 never, and I mean NEVER shoot to wound, it's the worst this a person can do. If you apply for a concealed carry license and take the class they drill this in, the reason being if you feel so threatened that you pulled out your firearm to defend yourself or someone else, they have in your opinion made themselves so dangerous to life that you must act to stop them. Fire until the threat is no longer a threat. It's difficult enough to actually hit a target in a high pressure situation like that, narrowing yourself to an even harder target is a poor decision.
If my kid got shot because he tired robbing someone and that someone had the decency to bring flowers im respecting that man to the grave, not yelling because he taught my kid a valuable lesson
The man knew he wasn't going to hurt anyone yet he still killed him. That's the twist of the ep dude. He knew it was fake so it's OK to kill the man. The guy did something illegal but that should not mean he should die
@@davidinass That isn't how it went at all....later on in the episode a witness is found who originally saw one of the robbers with "Max" (the guy who, near the end of the clip, was revealed he was trying to buy the place). So the detectives learn that it was possible the owner knew at the time of the robbery, since the same guy was there again, that it was supposed to be a shakedown, not a beatdown. But the detectives also learn that the robbers weren't aware of any of that - they were falsely told by Max there were gold coins in his store in order to entice them to rob him.....and in the end the store owner was still being robbed at gunpoint and his employee was being beaten to death in front of him. So in my opinion, whether he knew for certain the robbery was "fake" or not it was still a justified shooting in defense of his own life as well as that of his employee's life.
TLDR So again, your depiction isn't accurate. The robbers weren't aware it was meant to be a "fake" robbery & were beating the owner's employee to death while robbing the owner at gunpoint...
Nice to see Elliot Gould give a terrific performance as the store owner.
He'll always be Jack Geller, Ross's and Monica's father.
Yeah dang scumbag detectives hassling him and trying to pin him for something. Typical crooks.
@@NH-tb2sm Doctor Sussmans Office
Reuben retired and moved from Las Vegas to NY
He'll always be 'Trapper John' McIntyre. @@NH-tb2sm
"YOU SHOT MY BABY" I don't think I'm the only one who wanted to slap some sense into her.
The beer pour at 7:50 is the most heinous crime in the history of L&O.
The 'near-beer' they use on TV shows always foams like that because they add a whole bunch of salt to make it look carbonated without it actually being so.
It's really obvious on Cheers where Sam pours Norm pints of foam. And then poor George Wendt had to down a mouthful of this salty, warm, flat non-alcoholic beer...
I normally like the DA, but not this time. The old man did nothing wrong. The idea that he should have know they were not trying to kill them was out there. And they were attacking someone.
Did the DA prosecute the old man? Did he get convicted? Shakedown or robbery, once they start beating my employee to death, plus drawing a gun but even if they didn’t, you are allowed to use deadly force against someone being attacked. How could the DA possibly justify putting the man on trial?
@@RLucas3000 Didn't make it past the grand jury.
It was disgusting how Lupo was annoyed the guy just "gets to walk outta here". At that point the guy was defending himself.
The head on that beer tho! Id be getting lifted if I was handed that beer, take me now officer before I lose it! 😂
The most criminal thing in this episode. 😂
Also, the guy in the hospital using Karate was semi-correct. Karate is meant for CQC, not gunfights. Guns are faster and more deadly, but you have to be trained specifically for firearm disarming moves and be in a position to get it right the first time. One wrong move, and that trigger finger gets VERY itchy.
That, and there were four against one (technically), with the four being armed with ranged weapons. As such, even if he took out one, the other three could choose an angle and fire.
Had a distant cousin who did karate or some martial art. Was good at it. Black belt. He and his mom were walking home. Got mugged. He tried to fight them off. One shot and he's dead.
One thing though, while you are at a disadvantage against someone armed with a firearm, the odds to get better if the attacker is within reach and you have specific training against gun attacks (though again, still at a disadvantage). Unfortunately Karare usually doesn't train for that.
i like it when the dude pulls up and just said shotgun man lol
“He shot my baby” NeverMind the fact that your “baby” was robbing this man at gunpoint 😂
Love seeing Elitott Gould still acting. Great guy!
That mom reminds me of the sister of a robber who got shot. "Sure he was robbing the place, but he didn't have to kill him". 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
It's like, you right, I like having a gun pointed at me and my life threatened. I should have just let him be.
Still a Justified shoot. Shakedown or Mugging, Doesn't matter.
Yeah legally he can use the Self-Defense clause.
7:45 Worst pour I've ever seen. That bartender should be fired.
THANK YOU!!!!
I'm in my 50's and learned how to pour a beer from my dad when I was a kid. Im good. I went to my nephew's wedding in Japan and poured a beer for a guest at reception. The were insulted and I couldn't understand why. Turns out their idea of a good pour was from high and the more head the better. Guess there's lots of ways to 'enjoy' a beer but I still can't begin to imagine how their beers must have tasted.
@@Isabella-nh5dm same in Germany or Czechia. They even have a serving style which is basically a glass of foam. Belgium is a bit less picky, but I prefer my beer to have 2 fingers of foam, too, and wouldn't refuse 3 fingers, either. Protects the beer from oxidising too fast.
😂😂😂
Had to check IMDB to confirm, but the cop that briefs the detectives at the top of the clip is Wolé Parks, who played John Henry Irons this season in SUPERMAN & LOIS. He was great in that!
Seems like an L&O tradition i.e. actors playing bit parts that later go on to be successful. If I recall there's an OG L&O episode had Samuel L. Jackson playing a lawyer.
@@grss1982 Sebastian Stan also had an episode in Law & Order in the earlier seasons when he was younger
@@EVLA8 That epsidoe is crazy, didn't Phil from Modern Family play his psychotic dad, or was that another episode?
This was an amazing episode. Lots of twists and turns.
What happend at the end?
@@delmicortave essentially the shop owner shot not in self defense he knew the Robbery was fake and his shop was worth a lot of money he did so because he wanted to send a message to the guy who set up the fake robbery because he wanted to buy the shop shop owner got away with murder
@@brandonbennett8368 All and all I still side with the owner, he was being intimidated into selling his property yet he called the bluff, and sadly others paid for it.
In court, I don't see much chance of the shop owner being found guilty.
@@jacklau2558 you just admitted it though he would be found guilty because he knew his life wasn’t in danger New York is not a stand your ground state what he did was murder to send a message Mike cutter was on his side up till the grand jury when he realized he knew he wasn’t in danger
@@brandonbennett8368 except his employee was getting assaulted
First words out of your mouth. “I want to speak with my attorney”
Mothers of criminals scream the loudest when the criminal's potential victims fight back. If anything, the potential victims should sue the mothers for raising those criminals.
Those people are adults make there own decisions. If your kids do something wrong should people be able to sue you also
@@martingriff101 Her tears would still be in her eyes if her son murdered anyone. At best, she was a willing enabler. At worst, she was aiding and abetting his actions.
@@martingriff101 the parents support the criminal.
@@toomanyaccounts how
@@martingriff101 by not turning the hell spawn over to the cops. by not disowning the hell spawn
Good to see Antwon Mitchell rehabilitated and upholding the law, anything can happen.
I see you're a man of culture
"He shot my baby!!! He shot my baby!!!"
Yeah, a baby that you raised to be a criminal. I can't stand these mothers that always paint the picture that their child was the most nicest and honest angel
he NOT my baby?
@@housesg5981 I just noticed that. I meant to put "shot" lol. Just corrected it
Anyone else find it weird the detectives were initially trying to find any reason to arrest the store owner for defending his store? They were not so subtly trying to get any hint that he somehow did something wrong they could get him for.
I mean, the guy just shot at four people, they have to make completely sure that he was fully justified in doing that. I do think Lupo was being a bit too extra.
@@hikarikounothey were beating his employee, they had guns pointed at the both of them. At that point, self-defence is the only logical choice to get out of that situation.
Eliot Gould is an amazing actor, no doubt.
Last time I was this early they were still making episodes of this show.
I can't get over how unprofessional these cops are
Then idiots like it.
Anyone else notice the really bad pour by the barkeeper? It was alll head
Yeah, I HATE beer and even I know that was horrible.
maybe they put soap in it
Extra doesn’t know how to pour a beer? What’s this world coming to
Amateur hour.
Sorry, but real people don’t care about how some actor pours a drink on a tv show, knucklehead! Try again, boy!
Everyone talking about the mother but my main issue is that ABYSMAL pour on the beer at 7:45
I love Eliott's voice; it was great to hear him reading Philip Marlowe stories.
Were we supposed to feel bad about the mom and her baby?😂
no
It's his mom. I'd honestly find it a bit more concerning if she wasn't emotional considering her son got shot, even given why.
Him the one in the black hat. Reinventing creation. Talking it aloud and directing it.
If you can't take slugs, don't be thugs. Be a thug, get a slug.
Thats a good one
By the end of the episode, Anthony Anderson wanted no part of "Shotgun Man"
WOW!!! Elliot Gould??!! It's been a serious minute since I've seen this Actor in Action. A Nice Surprise.
"NURSE..! CAN I GET SUM PAIN KILLERS PLEAS..!" That sent me reeling LOL
6:36 It sounds he broke a lot of things lol
Why did law and order stop. This was its final season and it was still sooo good.
Ratings and it didn't help they were some spinoffs that failed
It didn't 2 new seasons this year
I like these two detectives. They gonna get me into law & order
7:45 worst beer poured ever. Look i mean that's just abysmal
Nothing like the sound of that slide on a 12 gauge going back to eject a shell.
People have the right to self defense!
Wasn't self defence though. It was planned.
Absolutely
Yes but as far I understand the owner didn't know and they were getting beat, so the owner defend himself and his worker. I don't the ending of this episode
@@delmicortave The owner (the old man) didn't want to sell his property so he tricked them into coming back as fake armed robbers.
@@gracieamazing2076 It wasn’t a fake robbery. Those injured where real. The old man didn’t want to sell his property to a spoiled brat who hired these guys to “rob” the store/other harassment. The thing is the old man confronted one of the robber before and shot him first before shorting the one who was kicking the employee. I honestly still don’t see how it changed from self-defense to murder because someone was in immediate danger but I guess 🤷♀️
6:36 and 6:38 Never sit down when someone get hurt whatever they’re bad or good or neutral
6:37 Getting comfy 😂
Again, interesting how shows change. Briscoe or Green would never have dropped onto a hospital bed like that. If you tried it in a show nowadays, people would cry police brutality--and rightly so, guy's got his rights. But this episode must have aired while NYC was in a "tough on crime" mood, either because of 9/11 or because of an ongoing crime wave. Thus not only the rough treatment, but the widespread celebration (in the city) of the man shooting the crooks. There would be a very different reception today,
What are you talking about? Briscoe AND Green have done questionable police work. Lennie has offered to lie on the stand multiple times for the greater good. Ed left the force bc he had "broken every rule in the book". They may not have "dropped onto a hospital bed", but they have done worse.
@@CC-si3cr exactly… what L&O they been watching! Lol
@@CC-si3cr Abusing suspects or witnesses. Perhaps there were episodes I didn't see, but while Briscoe may have threatened witnesses with various legal penalties, he never physically threatened them. Though in fairness, neither Green or Briscoe were particularly physically intimidating.
@@johnkloosterman6277 …..and Bernard and Lupo ARE Physically Intimidating? A black comedian wing man, and a stoic Mr Joe Schmo? Intimidating? HA! I laugh in the face of Intimidating! Hahahahahahaaha!
@@Heavenzvoice yeah lupo was in seasons 17-20 and Bernard 18-21. Give the OP a hint 20 was the last season in 2011 before it got renewed ten years later in 2021.
Elliot Gould gave a great performance
Notice how no one wants to acknowledge it had nothing to do with race or sending a message it was self defense even if it wasn't a robbery how would they know for all they knew they might be died there that day if he didn't shoot them they obviously knew there wasn't money imagine how beaten the shop owner would've been and if he still didn't choose to move
Krugerrands : gold coins minted in South Africa as from 1967. The Krugerrand bore the effigy of Paul Kruger, president of the Transvaal Republic.
These are the type of parents that causes a community to go under
Yet men have ruined the world with how they do things lol
The OG Trapper John performed
"surgery" on those thugs.
7:34 is it dramatization when parents violently react to someone checking their little bundle for their actions or something else (guilt) 😂🤣😎🇨🇦✌️👌🤞
Is it me or the lieutenant hasn't aged a day in her life!? That's some great genes wow
Honestly im more surprised noone threw something at the moms face and tell her to shut up
Self defense point and simple
Like Kyle Rittenhouse.
If my baby is shot during a commission of a crime, I'll be kneeling on the ground begging forgiveness.
Fool.
Dude, I'm really invested in this one.
What happened to the old accountant? Did they convict his karate apprentice?
Did the fat "lookout" in the hospital get charged/killed?
Did his mom get slapped upside her head for bitching that "her baby, her baby!" got shot?
Basically, what was the plot and how did it end?
So, apparently some little snot nosed rich brat wanted to the old man to sell his property to him, and so sent the thugs after him to scare him. The old man knew one of the robbers, and apparently knew it was a scare tactic. The old man was still in the right honestly even with that knowledge.
@@jeshonloonskin4176 More specifically, the old man had met "Max" (the snot nosed rich brat) along with 1 of the 3 robbers once a few weeks before the robbery where Max was trying to make the old man sell his property. When the old man refused to sell, a couple weeks later Max convinced the 3 robbers to rob him at gunpoint by lying about the old man being in possession of some valuable gold coins. When the robbers got there and started demanding the loot, they started beating his assistant Joey to death when the old man claimed he only had $30.
But yea, as you said, I agree the old man had the right to self-defense even if he might have realized it was meant to be intimidation (and who knows if he did realize from just having met 1 of the 3 robbers once before while they were holding guns to his head) because he was still being robbed at gunpoint and his assistant was being beaten to death in front of him. The only thing the old man might have been guilty of was lying (or simply being mistaken) to the cops about the order he shot the robbers. But since all were armed I don't think it matters under the law of self-defense.
Lmfao that Beer pour was terrible. It was 90% head.
This was a great episode!!
7:37 a parent apologizing to the victim for failing as a mom everyone, take note
Everyone? Why everyone? Are you projecting?
9:25 the realization
Bernard sitting down hard on that bed...😂
@7:45 beer pour is bad. Beer too warm.
Wait so what really happened? A robbery gone wrong? Or did that buyer send the men to attack the store?
Had a distant cousin who did karate or some martial art. Was good at it. Black belt. He and his mom were walking home. Got mugged. He tried to fight them off. One shot and he's dead.
You Don't Mess with Elliot Gould
That's it. I'm switching over to peacock to watch full eps
Did N.o.b.o.d.y. get his last name is literally COLON. and his life is in the cropper now?
Eliot Gould is one of the greats. 💯
Don’t mess with grandpa 😂
Elliott Gould terrific acting here; great on Lincoln Lawyer as "Legal".
The victim complex of the robbers family is stellar but compared to today...
It's always the others who're responsible.
How do you get to adulthood by blaming everyone else for your own shortcomings??
For those who don’t understand what happened is essentially the shop keeper knew the robber he shot and killed first he didn’t go for the guy beating his employee he knew it wasn’t a real robbery and his life wasn’t in danger therefore he killed them in cold blood and got away with it
Oh dear a stick up crew got capped I wouldn't care if it was a bait shop.
@@jediknight1294 it was a murder though he knew it was a fake robbery shop owner should of went to prison
@@brandonbennett8368 regardless of what the setup was the two guys there willing to rob someone deserved to die.
No worse than what Crillo did for NYPD in the 70's
@@jediknight1294 no one ever gets to play judge jury and executioner Robbery or not
@@jediknight1294 now run along and go argue with puppets over vaccinations your opinion ain’t wanted here
It’s like why is your kid robbing a store
While I’m seeing a lot of hate towards the mom, you do have to understand she raised that kid into an adult. Maybe she didn’t get involved enough in his life or she just didn’t see the signs, but she’s not the one at fault for how her child turned out (unless she directed him towards the life).
That kid grew up to be a criminal, who ended up getting shot in the middle of a crime with other criminals. It was his decision to gamble with his life, and he lost.
The mother is crying and screaming because her son, whom she tried to raise right, is now dead from his own actions. And the person who killed him is there in front of her, and can’t be arrested because it was a good shoot. To her, it’s an injustice because now she doesn’t have a son and the shooter will walk free; but to everyone else, a form of spontaneous justice was administered.
Yes, everyone is aware of how grief works.
To her it’s injustice because her son wasnt allowed to kill the shooter before he himself got got majority of the times the parents of these scums really dont think they or their kids did anything wrong
Maybe his whole life that mother defended his horrible activities just like this and thats why he got shot.
@@dryb3301
But we don’t know that, do we?
@@stevenchoza6391 that's why I said 'maybe '
The cop that can't stop trying to make it seem like the business owner is some kind of hardened criminal is a perfect example of what's wrong with the System.
Mr Gellar is wild
Mr. Jack Geller! What did Ross's and Monica's dad do?
Half of this comment section:
"Tell me you don't have kids without saying you don't have kids."
I have a kid and I wouldn't blame the guy if my kid was doing that.
I dont need to have kids to know that her son was shot because he was committing a crime and doesn’t deserve sympathy lmao
ouuuuu i hope they post a part 2
What's the mother pissed off about her son was part of a robbery team
It's still her son. That's going to override logic far more often than not in situations like this one portrayed here.
Fortunately, Reuben's luck would turn around once he moved to Vegas.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
God, I recognise that actor... The voice... I wanna say the store owner is in the Ocean's movies.
Elliott Gould
You would be correct.
Yep. Also played Ross and Monica’s dad on Friends
man he was old as hell in ocean's. he actually looks younger here.
For a second I thought the guy in the cap was Charlie Berens
The young one sounds like hes the child of Christopher Walken who spent his teenage years with a tribe of cherokee
Awesome show
Only used as self defense. That's self-control ..
YOOO SHOTGUN MAN!!! THATS WHAT I’M TALKIN BOUT!
I like this episode The old man was nice and felt really guilty about what happened
No one notice the owner is played by Elliot Gould?
7:44 That might be the worst pour i have ever seen
7:51 That beer scene was so unnecessary, who drinks foam🫤
Jack Geller be like…
“He shot my baby!”
Your baby was trying to rob him. You should’ve raised your baby better than that