"They're defending Stalingrad like dogs!" BATTLESTORM STALINGRAD E26
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- Опубліковано 10 вер 2024
- Paulus's 2nd Offensive in Stalingrad grinds to a halt against stubborn Soviet resistance. Chuikov, though, is barely hanging on, which is why Zhukov, Vassilevsky, Stalin and Rokossovsky now come up with the initial idea for Operation Uranus and start changing the Soviet order of battle in preparation for this counter-offensive.
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Stalin's deputy Malyshev was in charge of the tank industry. In Stalingrad he was busy evacuating critical parts of the tank factory's equipment rather than randomly shooting deserting solders.
I like this documentary because you're showing full well how much trouble the Germans were already having BEFORE they even took the city. Common narrative pretends that everything was fine until they stomped into the city then suddenly everything went south with the counter attack. Keep up the good work and hope you're feeling better.
@@nedkelly4825 Think I may have seen that too, some kind of Stalingrad documentary. Once the city was already wrecked, further bombing had almost no effect. They kept bombing an already wrecked city. Furthermore, turning the city into rubble made it much easier to defend.
It wasn't even a valuable objective. What mattered was cutting off the volga, something they could have done anywhere.
Edit: Decided not to waste time with the other guy. He can believe whatever he wants then go bother someone else.
@@Drain_Life_Archive I think tik explains in an earlier video about rail networks and how stalingrad relates to it
@@Drain_Life_Archive @TIK why people believe in a myth that cutting Volga would have stopped the flow of oil? The main way of oil delivery was by rail. There were no oil shipments by the river it was already blocked for trade during the battle. At summer of 1942 In one of the bays of the Absheron coast of the Caspian Sea, a shipyard for the construction of reinforced concrete sea vessels was built in record time. Cement, gravel, sand, reinforcing iron - all these basic building materials for the construction of a huge oil barge with a displacement of 2,500 tons were local. For the first time in world practice, Soviet sailors afloat towed oil tank cars from Baku to Krasnovodsk, and oil tanks with a capacity of several thousand tons from Makhachkala to Krasnovodsk. And the front began to receive Baku oil through Krasnovodsk and the Karakum sands.
To cut the flow of oil Germans needed to cross the Volga and attack railways deep in the east.
@@Drain_Life_Archive maybe you should learn to read other people comments. In my comment i described how exactly the oil was delivered. The railway was deep in the east going trough Karakum. The river already was effectively cut during the Battle of Stalingrad. To stop the oil flow Germans had to cross Volga and strike deep into Soviet Central Asia.
"We have only one of our battalions rated as 'weak"."
"That's great, so the rest are strong?"
"No, no they are not."
"They are NOT" :-)
The rest of them are strong right?
"Jeez, why are they resisting so hard? It's almost like we're trying to exterminate them down to the last man, woman, and child or something."
Hanz, I've just noticed that our uniforms have skulls on them. Hanz, are we the baddies?
Hilarious!!!
Fr the germans squandered a huge chance to get Swathes of the Soviet population on side
@@robertalaverdov8147 Most of the English Navy consisted pirates until the 18th century....With skulls and bones pirate flags...
@@robertalaverdov8147 For anyone who hasn't seen the sketch.
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it is hard to imagine doing a better documentary on this subject.
perfection has been reached in my judgement. hard to imagine that this can be done with so little manpower. it deserves respect.
Never before, in the History of UA-cam…
@Last chance Cowboy Jeez it's literally a day-by-day graphic depiction based off primary sources and the absolute best historians concerning WW2.
Why do you think any of this is ideological?? Its almost like you WANT it to be ideological..
Nothing compares to the meticulous standards of a TIK documentary. Only one slight flaw. Soviet corps should have corps designation (XXX), not division designation (XX). It's not a matter about unit size, but of echelon. The way things are I only get confused and it hurts my eyes.
@Last chance Cowboy lol yeah something about the Nazi's and the largest land invasion in human history SOMEHOW makes people focus a little more on the industrial factories of death, millions starved to death etc.
The Nazi's actually killed people in a detrimental fashion in regards to their war effort. Racist ideological idiots thought "the Slavs are subhuman! 6 weeks to Moscow!"
@Last chance Cowboy "never talks about soviet atrocities"
Definitively and demonstrably wrong.
The longer this series goes on, the more the whole Soviet Front looks like 2 heavyweight boxers, bleeding and tired, just slugging at each other, hoping the other guy drops before they do.
Good description
Literally the plot from one of the chapters of "Vasily Terkin".
It’s almost as if Chuikov realizes he is Foreman facing Moorer and really only has one way to win.
basically tyson vs hollifeld.germans got first three and half rounds, soviets got knock down twice, bleeded as fuk. but than in fifth round two quick jabs and right hook to the chin and germans never recovered.lol
I think boxing might be a bit too tame a description, a no-holds barred fight to the death is probably more applicable, I feel like there would be a lot of biting either way.
TIK you're doing an amazing job. Dont listen to the commentors telling you to rush it.we love the detail.
Thank you! Yeah some people are asking me to SKIP AHEAD to Operation Uranus, which I think is just stupid.
@@TheImperatorKnight They were probably the same ones who were bored during the first 17 episodes of the series - "c'mon, man, get to the REAL battle....."
Fuck those fuckers...this is masterpice.. cheers from Croatia
The fighting on Mamayev Kurgan must have been beyond description. How that "hill" hasn't been leveled with the surrounding steppe from all that shelling and bombing is hard to fathom, as is the number of lives lost on it. What a senseless massacre.
TIK, I have to say that your work is immensely appreciated. The scenarios and graphics, the details and bits of humor are setting the bar far above anything out there.
Even grass wouldn't grow there the next year, because of the amount of iron in the ground.
I take it that hill was absolutely vital for tactical advantage over the city.
What do you mean? All those bodies piled on top would return to dust, and thus the hill would be maintained.
Not really senseless for the men defending their homeland.
Heights are immensly critical for precision spotting. Over 300 ft. high.
38:37 "Tractor Factory Village" is officially the most Soviet name ever.
It was not a "name" at all.
The most Soviet name ever is Tankograd.
😂
Everybody says the Germans couldn't take Stalingrad because the "blitzkrieg" didn't work in close combat. It sounds MUCH more the case that the germans couldn't achieve concentration of force in any area in order to properly mount an assault. How are you supposed to take a factory that has 100 soldiers dug in, when you have 150 soldiers. It just doesn't work like that. I get that the germans have air power, but that doesn't seem to help very much. This offensive has all the tell tail signs of being a shit show.
All the way back to 1941 when Barbarossa started. Those Generals had to know it was a matter of time that the Eastern front would turn on them. After the intial onslaught with no where near the capabilities to operate a broad front war in the east, Stalin not coming to the negotiations table and the known horrendous logistical system, the writing was on the wall.
@History Thoughts The outskirts of Stalingrad was the main deciding factor to what will happen to Fall Blau, let alone Stalingrad. Army group B was suppose to be as a flank defense force with the goal of cutting the Volga. Soviet resistance, poor choice of location and of course logistics would plague Fall Blau throughout the operation.
@@insideoutsideupsidedown2218 they just counted on soviet regime to just desintegrate under pressure. Not smart move to give Russians the option of fighting for communist dictatorship or slavic genocide though.
@@Methodius7 Google the number of members of communist party. Then Google the results of Civil War. Then read about Soviet industrialization. Then Google statistics for education, birth rates. And may be... may be you will realize how absurd are your claims. I'm a grandson of a WWII veteran. To be precise both of my grandfathers went to war. Both volunteered. One of them even fought for Berlin. If you have asked them right now today what would they choose today's capitalist system or Soviet dictatorship? The answer would deeply surprise you. You western people have no idea of the people of USSR who fought that war and you only operate by Cold War propaganda templates permanently embedded into your heads.
@History Thoughts thanks for the reminder, I shall not forget!
I love that you show all the Patreons while the content is still in progress. It serves to thank them better than showing them after the content, plus it lets the viewer know that the end is near with enough time to load up more videos in the playlist. Handy all around. :)
This series is so great. I often check TIK's channel once a week to check for more battle storm stalingrad videos. Thanks a lot for the work put in to this content, tik.
"The Hunt for The Red October Factory"
Why have 60 nobeads liked this schoolboy shout!?
can picture Sean Connery with a PPsh-41 LOL 😂
Lol.
Hey TIK, hope you are feeling better this week! Thank you for the episode today
I am feeling better, thank you! Still got the cough though
@@TheImperatorKnight Dealing with Covid? Or something else?
@@82dorrin To be honest, I'm not sure. I think I'm just run-down. None of my family or friends have caught it, despite being in close proximity the day before I got it, and having seen some family since then.
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Stay healthy with 5-10000 iu vitD (depending on your sun exposure) and 50/mg zn daily. This protocol has been studied globally and reported by Dr. Seheult of University of Southern California.
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Channels like this are worth the price of internet by themselves.
Hello TIK, thank you very much for this titanic work you're doing, it's unique. We really appreciate your hard labor. I wish you all the best and keep the good health. Regards from Argentina.
Hitler: No human being can remove us from this place.
Chuikov is not a man. He's the Holy Half-Dead who has seen the Underverse and returned with powers you can't imagine.
No human being did. It was a a bunch of them.
Glad to see your health is good enough to have the video come out on time. Has it passed over or are you still under the weather?
Best wishes, regardless.
Thank you for caring! I've still got the cough, but it's easing. It was a struggle to get this video done, but thankfully I recovered enough in time to crunch it in the last couple days. I feel that the video was rushed as a result though and not up to the usual standards... Maybe people won't notice the faults as much as I do, but I can tell.
@@TheImperatorKnight COVID-19 delta or something else ?
@@aleksazunjic9672 I fear the illness didn't leave a note ;-)
@@TheImperatorKnight I thought it was excellent. You really amaze me.
@@TheImperatorKnight Funny, i thought that was a particularly action packed episode. Quite a lot to take in. Although we all know the outcome, your delivery always makes me feel like victory is in the balance for either side and wondering what will unfold. Which is great! Good to know you're on the mend and thanks!
Never ceases to amaze me that some passionate nerds on UA-cam can out do the history channel by a mile
Hi Tik,
Thanks for your hard work. I need to play catch up. It’s important to remember how all these events in WWII are happening at once. While fighting is raging in Stalingrad, the US Navy is reeling from one of their worst defeats in the predawn hours of August 9th, off Savo Island. Anyway, keep up the good work. Hope you are well!
Hey Vass, not seen your comments for a while! I've actually been ill recently (this video was a struggle to get done). I am considering taking next week off... but we'll see. That will provide you a bit of a chance for a catch up!
@@TheImperatorKnight Ah, I’ve been slammed at work and personal stuff. Haven’t really had the chance to sit down and enjoy the content. I’m sorry to hear that your ill. Take it easy and get well soon!
@@TheImperatorKnight If I've learned anything about you TIK is that when you start to consider actually taking a week off, you already should have done so a few weeks earlier. Take care of yourself man! Please.
Maybe you should take a cue from Zhukov, you've been feeding yourself piecemeal into the battle. Take a bit of time (maybe not 45 days) to prepare yourself for the next phase.
Thanks for another great episode and I wish you the very best.
I find it interesting that the first refutation of Stalingrad being a symbolic objective that was prioritised because of Hitler's fixation with the name came from Hitler himself while the battle was still ongoing.
What is amazing is how the soviets soldiers did not give a centimiter of ground for free . Those guys are everything but cowards .
Real heroes is how I would describe them.
@Last chance Cowboy that fails to explain why they kept fighting even in instances where they knew they were condemned to die.
@Last chance Cowboy "Yea could have something to do with the commissars shooting anyone that has self preservation." Sad true for "it's a baddie commissars" guys: history is unknown to the armies of slaves who fear their masters more than the enemy. If you are not a fan of books by George Martin. lol
@Last chance Cowboy Commissars were not shooting common soldiers, but rather the leaders. @TIk actually mentioned this in one of his previous videos; I don't know which one, sorry.
@Last chance Cowboy Thanks, but not really interested. If you have some pointers to TIK's videos, it would be better not to tell me, but preferably tell him you have objections to something; citing your sources of course.
You can feel the impending Soviet counter offensive coming..... Just as the axis forces in the city were at their weakest. The German high command was so focused, almost obsessed, with finally capturing Stalingrad that they had become blind to all else.
Fascinating series that more than repays watching and rewatching!
Yes this is a good example of how an organization, in this case the Wehrmacht, fell victim to "Group Think".
Actually, the conclusion from this series is arguably the opposite of what you‘re saying, at least where the practical question of actually s t o p p i n g Uranus is concerned. If you watch the relevant parts of the series, the Germans were aware that their flank was exposed but they didn‘t really have any more troops to cover them with and taking Stalingrad was the best way to free up forces.
But the thing is that the troops they had taking the city weren‘t all that numerous either, not numerous enough for taking the city, but also clearly not enough to hold the northern flank against Zhukov if they shifted some of them away. Even if you take, say, a third of Paulus‘ divisions in the city and send them to hold the flank, the odds that these depleted forces could actually stop the pincers coming from two directions are not good.
And even if they did, odds are they would loose Stalingrad and their front would still collapse. Look how badly Zhuikov is pressing them by the end of September, even without shifting forces out of the Area, where they are losing ground in places, almost losing Mamaev Kurgan, etc.. Now imagine that same situation but with significantly reduced German troops. There‘s only one way it can go.
The Germans have no way around the fact that they are out of troops in the Region, and the question of whether they were „ignoring“ the threat of a counteroffensive is irrelevant if they had no practical way to respond to it. If you tell me that next month I‘m gonna need 10 million dollars, and then next month it turns out I don‘t have 10 million dollars…is that because I ignored your warning or because I have no way to get 10 million dollars?
For Army Group B, taking the city was the only feasible way to free up troops and shorten their line, as long as they didn‘t get massive reinforcements which they never did.
If they had gotten reinforcements in line with their actual losses and needs, which the General Staff did actually have, then things would have gone differently in the short term. 6th Army and Army Group B at reasonable strength could have almost certainly taken Stalingrad by September, forced the Red Army across the Volga and reinforced the flanks enough to possibly hold off or seriously blunt Operation Uranus. Of course, going on the offensive again would have still gone badly, but holding the area at least for the rest of the year would have been a possibility, if also far from certain.
@@raylast3873 yeah, splitting the army to south was one of the worst ideas in history done by anyone ever and Leningrad should be turned into some kind of cut-off stale siege (still was).. but the thing is, they didn't have enough troops at Leningrad too so taking them from other fronts and make army group at stalingrad larger would be hard.. just not splitting the army there and proper reinforcments could be enough to suceed I think and create a stale lane along the volga and any aditional units weren't needed
@@olgagaming5544 well there were more German concentrations along the Front than Leningrad. It‘s true that they were in trouble overall, but at the very least they could have given Army Group B the reinforcements it needed, that could have made a significant difference. They probably could have taken the city with those troops, and maybe been able to stop one of the Pincers. Conceivably. But they were alway in trouble in the end.
спасибо! замечательная серия. Ждем продолжение!
Whenever I feel depressed or put upon, these bite sized portions of the terror of Stalingrad never fail to give me a better perspective.
“…at least it’s not Mamayev Kurgan.”
Thanks TIK!
Thanks - this series is awesome. Definite "drop everything" content. When it drops, you drop everything and watch.
I respect ur work a big deal. Ur videos r at academic level. I've watched almost all ur educational shows. I'm kazak from Kazakhstan. My grandfather fought in stalingrad. ..thought I leave this message, yet again, Thank u sir. Appreciate your job.
I’m so early the OKH still think Stalingrad will fall in 10 days
How DARE the Russians fight defensively, taking advantage of terrain, instead of lining up to be slaughtered!
Has Lev Mekhlis lost all ability to ruin military oprations?
You will be the first billionaire historian with the amount of patreons you got. Deservingly so if i may add. God, i hope you get selected as an advisor for the next stalingrad movie epic
I mean, I'm not really surprised at how much TIK gets from Patreon and SS (for a combined $6000+ per month). The quality and detail of these videos are staggering, even more so than other history-military channels.
TIK, what you are doing is significant and important as a comprehensive presentation of this battle. It should stand and be hailed as such, as well as be recognized as a signal achievement for the enterprise of information by computer technology. Godspeed, my friend.
In my humble opinion, the Stalingrad series is an example of the excellent educational content. Given the level of visibility and reliance on different sources, with emphasis on historically problematic points, this material should be shown at universities at lectures. Too bad here in Russia there are no such variety. Plz do more, mate.
Such an immersive series. I really like the leaders photos on the thumbnails. It really helps with familiarity of the unit designations as time goes on. Thanks for your time in this.
I am consistently amazed at the tenacity of the Soviet soldiers. In this time of Covid and are seeming anxiety to have it over this series remind me that it’s like any war it’s a day by day operation. Great series. Thanks
Imagine you arrive to the city and your unit encounters women and children in one of the basements. Half starving and scared. You realize what if you lose what will nazi's do to them? Possibly things worse than swift and clear death.
You fear Covid as much (with a fraction of a percent death rate) as much as a battle which in many cases meant certain death? I think you've lost perspective.
@@BridgeportIPA You're misinterpreting his comment on purpose. He's comparing it to how some countries are in such a rush to go back to normal that they open back up and cases spike again, leading to more and longer lockdowns. As TIK has shown, in this battle every time that a contender tries a push to get it over with quickly they only exhaust themselves and prolong the battle.
@@Sphynra First, lockdowns aren't a consequence of "the battle" nor are they necessary to win it. They have never worked, will never work, but will assuredly accomplish the opposite: unforeseen destruction and disabling the primary mission. You'd make a better case for linking "political overreach" to losing the battle.
@@BridgeportIPA How come Asian countries have dealt with it so well despite their massive population density? The same people bitching against masks, vaccines, etc. would have been screaming against rationing and other restrictions in WWII.
Most of the commissars as a matter of fact led people by an example.
The example they led by was terror! That was why they were so popular that even jews fled west back to the Germans!
@@haroldhahn7044 Im sure you mistaken German commissar with Russian one. German commissar are bunch of mass murderer while the Russian one are just university nerds who can write and sent to the front.
@@haroldhahn7044 of course you can't back it up by examples. Typical wehraboo.
@@haroldhahn7044 U will be shocked, but political officer is a student or a school teacher, or a person who understands political situtation. Political officer usually was among the most educated and smart people in the unit (considering that soviet education in 30's was good)
@@haroldhahn7044 No they didn’t you freak of nature.
Enormous amount of information regarding this battle,both sides had alot at stake.
Thanks TIK.
Whew! Its getting do or die time. When the map scale is given in 1/2 miles or even yards/meters you know its getting down to the nitty gritty. Thanx so much Lewis and crew. You are doing a fantastic job. This may very well turn out to be the definitive video series of Stalingrad in the future. History students may be assigned to watch it. An so they should!
"Losing the Volga would be like Germany losing the oder or the Rhine." -hitler. I got bad news for you lol
Fear and defeatism is contagious in desperate situations. I understand the reason even if the solution was horrible.
Another masterpiece with great information. In fact, this series give out the perspective of the difficulty for even holding the enemy off or attacking in a day.
The only thing that I can think of improving would be, showing the strength of the unit on the unit card to give out a sense of how depleted they were.
And yes TIK, I know I am asking for too much.
I find myself rivetted watching each new episode in this series. I can't wait for the next one. Thank you, TIK, this is an excellent production!
95th Rifle huh? A good thing Sharpe isn't fighting with the Commies. But a shame also. Could show up though Prussian bullies.
Haven’t watch this episode yet but it appears Paulus had failed to establish a concentration point, thus leading to his already thin forces to be spread out and couldn’t go deeper.
This is not necessarily his fault though as you would have to deploy forces to ensure all flanks are covered and take as much ground as possible when the enemy was weaker.
Similar thing appeared to happen in the Caucasus with List’s 17th army when he initially drove deep but as the front gets narrower, terrain gets more difficult, and resistance stubborns, it just became a scenario of thin forces hugging enemies’s less thin forces,and little advances could be made. And by that point it might not be possible to just shift forces across for one sector anymore as all units had to held what s in front of them.
I actually agree - and I mention this in the video. Paulus does spread his forces out, and I think it's because of the Kotluban Offensive. In hindsight, he probably didn't need to do this. Did it cost him the battle? Not sure, but it definitely had an impact.
@@TheImperatorKnight Not sure if you've covered it in detail before, but as this series goes on I'm constantly wondering why Army Group Center would continue to receive significantly more reinforcements (most notably manpower) than Army Group South. Is there some coherent record of German decision-making in that regard? Was it really just an unwillingness of the Halderites to give up Rzhev, or did the southern commanders not communicate how exhausted their forces were in time? Might not be worth a full video, but I'd be very interested to hear your point of view on this.
@@FatCharlieTheArchangel It's sort of been answered;-
1) Politically, Germany could not been seen to be beaten anywhere by 'sub humans'. It was also the closest point to Moscow, their 'springboard' for future operations, & had the German general support as they thought more tactically, about winnign a big 'battle', rather than strategic considerations.
2) Hitler & Chief of Staffs thought they were winning in the South (not helped by 6th Army's over optimistic reports, saying 'give them 2 more weeks & they would have won etc), why send in more troops they couldn't supply anyway?
3) Hitler was also looking at Leningrad in August '42, & trying to take that, so other resources went there, & trying not to be pushed back, as again politically unacceptable.
Bottom line is that a) Hitler had overextended his armies & b) he couldn't supply what he wanted to achieve, not helped by those around him (like Goring), making him promises/advice which couldn't be kept/was wrong, which clouded Hitler's judgement.
IF, & a big if, Hitler had gone defensive in the North & Center, & concentrated on better supply logistics in the South, he may well have got his defensive barrier along the Don, & if not capturing the Caucasus oil supplies, made them unusable for the Russians. TIK has made other videos on the effects of this.
@@TheImperatorKnight I'm sort of inclined to cut Paulus a little slack (at this stage only) as he seems to have visited many of the units and seen what we can only imagine. Although the graphics are brilliant only when I concentrate on the actual numbers of men as you update the strengths can i start to see the picture you paint of massively depleted units where even the "non injured" must at the very least be completely ground down mentally and nutritionally. The 100 Jager as an example made a successful attack only to be redeployed (no doubt mostly on foot) overnight to the north losing what little rest they could get.
I know the Soviet defenders had it at the very least as bad but the Germans were not only getting no reinforcements they were throwing their quality experienced units into the grinder and the Soviets were contining to turn the handle on almost a man on man basis.
I also keep having to reminding myself theres Soviet civilians caught in all this too and fro.
Urban terrain, you cannot concentrate whole division in a city block, especially with enemy skilled into infiltrating into rear areas. In urban areas certain landmarks and buildings had to be captured and held to control parts of the city.
The scale of this series is just HUGE
Thank you for additional clarity of this battle.
Excellent !! Thank you for all the time and effort that you put into your videos and all the different things that you cover in them.
The Soviets were hardly the only Army that shot soldiers who either refused to advance or who abandoned positions.
Yes and TIK did a video on how order 227 was not about killing soldiers who retreated without order. That rarely happened and it more about a patriotic fru
Most armies had court martials for deserters first. The Soviets took it to a whole new level with blocking detachments.
@@Raskolnikov70 Blocking detachments didnt shoot anyone willy nilly. They were units placed in the rear tasked with catching deserters (usually at various transport nexuses) and send them back to their units.
@@Alsemenor Blocking detachments existed in the Red Army. They didn't exist elsewhere - MPs and other similar rear-area security forces did the job of 'straggler control' in other armies when it was necessary. As far as shooting people, I'll quote directly from Order No. 227:
"2. Military councils of armies and first of all army commanders should;
a) Unconditionally remove from their offices, corps and army commanders and commissars who have accepted troop withdrawals from occupied positions without the order of the army command, and route them to the military councils of the fronts for court-martial;
b) Form within the limits of each army 3 to 5 well-armed defensive squads (up to 200 persons in each), and put them directly behind unstable divisions and require them in case of panic and scattered withdrawals of elements of the divisions *to shoot in place panic-mongers and cowards* and thus help the honest soldiers of the division execute their duty to the Motherland"
People with rank got court martials. People in the ranks got summary executions.
@@Raskolnikov70 German officers were authorized to shoot soldiers on the spot, no questions asked. In WWI, the Brits put men in the trenches with orders to shoot anyone that wouldn't go over the top. My great great grandfather was in the 6th New Jersey. They were used in the third corps as file closers. On the march they would follow along and catch stragglers. In battle if in a similar role, they could shoot. There is nothing new or unique in the concept.
What a fantastic series. I am so hooked. Hell, I've watched it from the beginning 3 times now. (Gotta watch something while waiting for a new episode.) Thank you so much, TIK for all the work you do in producing these videos. You have such a great talent at putting it together.
More people need to watch this series. Incredible.
41:45 - Hitler sort of predicted the correct order in which he would, over two years later, lose the Rhine, the Elbe, the Oder and the Danube.
Danube mouth(s) = Roumania first!
Bravo TIK. Another amazing documentary of this historic fight.
14:15 A reason could be that both divisions had no reserves available to do a shift of sectors without dangerously exposing it. Also, a shifting from the 24th Panzer Div north would have created a lot of noise a long the line (tank noises) and reveal the upcoming move.
The Eastern Front was an epic war. It's hard to grasp how huge a fight it was and the amount of casualties both nations suffered. Millions of soldiers, thousands of tanks and airplanes moving across a vast territory. Has there ever been such a massive amount of force ever been used before or after? Can't think of any on that scale.
Nope it was the biggest war in history (eastern front).
September ends! 4 months and 2 days of battle remain! So like.....60 episodes? Lmao 😂
Lol. It's rather funny how westernies can't understand the shades of soviet etiquette sometimes. If comrade Malyshev became representative of the Council of People's Comissars, you simply obliged to mention his heroic deeds in the events in which you both participated. :)
On the other hand, there were many comissars who were doing they duty honestly. Executions is definitely not the only way to rally your troops in the critical situation.
I just find it amazing the amount of juggling of forces Paulus has to do just to mount an offensive and try to keep it moving. Had Chuikov been aware of what was happening on the other side of the line and had a couple of reserve units available, he could have really upset the Germans. But that is just another "what if".
Amazing job! Thanks for the hard work!
Stalingrad is a case study in the importance of logistics. An Army marches on its stomach.
Thanks TIK. Outstanding job
When the entire series of videos is done, it will already be a great accomplishment for the author.
Hope you are feeling better, good video as usual.
Great to see Croatians in Jeager Division in Stalingrad many Historians don't speak about them :D!
@@miachlmyersdonutz1344 idk whats your problem they were forced to eastern front many of them wanted to go home ....
Go check about them they was useles they gave up imedietely they didnt want war...
@@miachlmyersdonutz1344 The last battle of WWII in Europe took place in Slovenia, 6 days after Germany officially surrendered, between the Croatian army reinforced by units of the Wermacht against the British army and communist partisans. Obviously, you've guessed wrong.
@@miachlmyersdonutz1344 Oh shut up, they didn't love Hitler or Mussolini they simply joined the side they thought would get them out of Yugoslavia and get back an independent Croatian state like they had in the past, if the Allies would have offered them a similar deal they would have been killing Germans and Italians just like all the Croatians that joined the Partisans were doing, lets also not forget that Serbian Chetniks committed many atrocities in the war but because they joined the winning side (at the end) all their sins were forgiven and history is written by the victors.
@@miachlmyersdonutz1344 You must be Serbian or something because your rhetoric is just to simple and angry like its programmed into you from a left wing nut job teacher or something, Yes SOME of them loved Pavelic just like SOME people loved Stalin and Hitler and Mussolini and how you can bet SOME Serbs loved Mihailovic but you seem to be ignoring a big piece of evidence when it comes to Croatians and that is this, far more Croats joined the Partisans than joined the Ustache forces and i mean something like 4 or even 5 times as many and that's something they don't teach you guys in modern history classes because the standard narrative is that Croatia joined the bad guys in WW2 and they got what they deserved.
P.S. The greatest mass murdering piece of shit who got away with anything in WW2 was not Pavelic it was Stalin, that evil prick killed tens of MILLIONS of innocent people and got away free and clear.
@@miachlmyersdonutz1344 I really don't think you understood my last message at all because i never said Stalin was Serbian, but if you think that Stalin was brave while he starved out millions of his own people as he filled his fat stomach then i don't think we have anymore to say to each other.
This channel is criminally undersubscribed, I know TIK values quality over quantity but imho this channel still deserves 5-10M subscribers with basic WW2 knowledge in interest in its history.
Incredible job! Thank you so much!
Many thanks! 2 regiments with 160 soldiers fighting. I wasn't sure how 'kaputt' our divisions were at this point.
Since i first saw maps and unit lists of Stalingrad back in the 1980s, the 100th Jager always struck me as a hard luck outfit for some reason. This series has more than justified my hunches from back then.
Good afternoon, TIK.
First I hope you are feeling much better.
Are you going to discuss 51A and 57A attack in the salt lakes in the next coming episodes?
It would be excellent to build upon the Operation Uranus foreshadowing in this episode as the path of the salt lake attacks is similar to the second pincer in Uranus. Thanks for all you do. I hope you can take the next week off as you need some rest from making this great episode. Thanks from a loyal fan.
Well paced and exciting while retaining tons of detail.
With this reorganization the Stavka are finally putting one of their top people in charge of one of these fronts (the Don front).
Zhukov and Vasillevsky were involved already but as Stavka representatives, they’re basically overseers and troubleshooters, being shuttled around a lot and giving directions to the actual Front commanders. For the Don Front especially though, they arguably needed somebody like Rokossovsky as front commander, who had both a top operational and tactical track record, but was also willing to contradict his superiors or flexibly reinterpret orders if necessary.
Meanwhile Eremenko‘s and Chuikov‘s job now consists entirely of just holding Stalingrad, which is a big improvement.
*one consequence of this was that Zhukov would be involved both in Operation Uranus and Mars, simultaneous but separate offensives.
Well worth the money. Well done TIK. Up there with the 13th Guard crossing. A few beers and Stalingrad... I look forward to Mondays?
Wonderful! You are the master history professor! Thank you
Grippingly good series ! I love this kind of content! You and Mark Felton need to be on the history channel! The History was made for UK or Midwest US accents and great info !
I like Tik more, I find Mark pro german and don't enjoy his spin
@FreeFall I do agree no one is as non biased as Tik
@@freefall9832 Mark isn't as based
Thanks. I enjoy every episode that you produce. The extensive research that you have put into this is obvious. I hope you rest enough to return to full health.
Loving this series mate. Great stuff
It's kind of amazing that in the desperate fighting at Stalingrad, that neither side resorted to chemical warfare; especially since the USSR had not signed up to the Geneva convention.
Using chemical weapons brings retaliation from the other side.
Chemical weapons are a nuisance.
I came to speak about having a hard time finding you TIK. See, I put your 5 hour talk about Hitler onto my 'Watch Later' Playlist. It kept getting removed. Every Time. I know It wasn't me. I actually tested this. I just wanted to share this with you and others and found it so informative that I've watched it twice at work (12 hour grave shift)
Finally, I couldn't wait for new episode anymore.
It's 2am on a monday here.
I'm still going to watch this entire thing all the way through.
Nice analysis of Zhukov’s meeting with Stalin in late September. Zhukov might have witheld the correct date because it was still classified after the war? Thank you TIK.
Your videos make Mondays more bearable
I suppose this sounds silly, but I vote for putting the episode code (eg E26) at the front of the title. Makes it easier to navigate and retrieve. Cheers. :)
Just from watching this, my stomach turns upside-down. All this constand grinding of ruble, bones and steel, and for what? Let us learn from history so that we shall never repeat it!
Amazing series and thank you for reminding us of what hell looks like so we can appreciate our day to day and boring lives! And let them stay boring!
TOO SHORT!
Much enjoyed, thanks tik!
I love this series! Can't wait for the next episode.
Hi Tik!
Just wanted to bring some clarity on your video regarding the role of the Red Army Political Officers (a.k.a "kommissars"). In your video (around 16.20) you paint them as the people who shot soldiers if they were leaving positions. This is not correct. During the battle, any commanding officer could and would shoot a soldier on the spot for not carrying out an order or, worse, leaving the positions, or trying to surrender. Also, there was "СМЕРШ" ("SMERSH"), military counter-intelligence, that was actively looking for any plots to surrender or leave positions en masse, as well as the agents Germans sent to the Red Army recruited from the POW camps. And there were blocking units that stopped and turned around soldiers trying to run away. So all these three factors constituted a "stick", that kept Soviet soldiers fighting. Kommissars' role was very different. They were the "carrot". Most of the time they were engaged in the political work with the soldiers, explaining them why they should fight and die if necessary. And they were good at it since Germans always were looking for and shooting kommissars first when they filtered out Soviet POWs. So just by being with the soldiers kommissars were showing that there will be no surrender. This kept the soldiers morale at the level and kept them fighting. Also, most of the soldiers were Young Communists ("komsomoltsy") and some of them were members of the CPSU (Communist Party of Soviet Union). The political officers duties included the work with the party members and making sure that the all the work was done, even in the battle: meetings held, new members enlisted, party dues collected, etc. And needless to say that all the officers were members of CPSU and therefor bound by the party discipline, not just military discipline. This created the situation when a communist-soldier and a communist-officer would be completely equal when facing a party committee that was led by the kommisar. The worst thing that the Soviet officer could hear was "Put your party ID on the desk", that meant that officer would be thrown out of CPSU and his carrier was in shatters or, worse, he was about to be arrested. How do I know this? I served in the Soviet Army in 80's as a private and seen this with my own eyes. So the picture you painted is not correct, even the photo you use is of an officer of NKVD, not a kommisar.
Now the question arises: "Did it work?" It certainly did. Just compare the surrender of Singapore to the battle of Stalingrad. British Army surrendering to a lesser Japanese force to save (in fact to lose) their skins. British Army didn't have the Stalin's purges and, certainly, kommissars. It had (and has) officers from aristocratic background and soldiers from the working class. Why would they fight for each other when they can simply surrender? And this is what they did. And I am sure that rest of the GB would surrender to Germans just fine, just like the Channel Islands did. You probably should make some videos on the Channel Islands life under German occupation, it will be fascinating.
In any case, thank you for your videos. I don't agree with your interpretation of the events, but I understand that you simply don't know the context these events happened in. Otherwise your videos are great.
Keep up the good work!
Oleg K
Thanks Oleg, I appreciate your input. It's great to hear something other than the german perpective. I like Tik and watching him has started me searching out for more of the Soviet view.
@@freefall9832 You welcome! Living in the West for long time, reading and now watching the Western historians I can't stop being surprised how biased and single-minded they are. The power of the Western historical propaganda, plus the money of the Hollywood is focused at this moment on the complete re-write of the 20th century history. For the average American Joe Blow it's Brad Pit on his tank "Fury" who saved the world from Hitler. For a university students it's a false Stalin=Hitler mantra read by their professors. In any movie the Soviet soldiers are depicted like zombies that have no lives or feelings and led into battle by evil-faced, red-eyed, drunk Bolsheviks. The goal of this historical u-turn is, of course, the future. The West is methodically getting prepared for the war with Russia, and possibly, China. The window of opportunity for a victory in this war is closing fast, therefore the intensity of the anti-Russian propaganda only grows. Just try to remember when was the last time you read or heard anything positive about Russia or China? It's a shame that Western historical school has become an integral part of this propaganda effort by providing the conveniently re-written history. But once one has lied, it's hard to stop, so now the Western history is being re-written too according the CRT. I find this highly ironic. I find these videos important, because they have a good part of truth in them. Seriously, after watching them would you seriously consider fighting Russians on their soil? Would you seriously consider a war with Russia? I don't think so. The truth always comes out and wins.
@@olegkhaev1 I appreciate hearing your insights, I don't see war with Russia in the future but the cold has settled again. No one in their right mind would desire to battle Russians on their homeland
Hello there I am not Russian but you should know better the unique Soviet"RUSSIAN soul "maybe in this horrible times people see things differently ,where all European bend the knee easily the SOVIETS-RUSSIANS even loosing in large the 1941 battles have shown tremendous character and strength giving them moral and GOD given WRIGHT to WIN WW2,so Oleg if we haven't been there and then is better to refrain from comments whatsoever ,either way the western narrative is not actually accurate, facts yes ,the rest not so sure, I agree with you, but do they understand your point of view?
@@olegkhaev1 So Molotov-Ribbentrop pact and soviet Poland invasion is a western lie?
My favourite documentary series. Love Tuesdays
this is like a movie to me, with popcorn and all, love these, i just sit back imagining the chaos of the battle :D
Logistics Questions for you: If I understand your previous points, the Germans were tied, more or less, to the railroads for the bulk of the ton-miles of supplies moved. Is there any information as to the German program of construction / reconstruction of the Soviet RRs as they took territory? By the fact that the logistics were so awful, it would appear they came up woefully short in this respect. In a "what if" question - How would the German logistic situation been different had they invested significantly more resources into repairing / upgrading the captured Soviet RRs? Would a program of rapid construction of narrow gauge RRs emanating from main RR supply hubs (similar to such RRs in the First war) have provided significant ton-miles of logistic capability? Its not like the Germans were short of potential POW labor, had they chosen to actually feed them, instead of starve them. I have to imagine that anything to relieve the over stretched motor and horse drawn transportation elements would have been welcome.
They did change the rails but often did a shoddy job since they were in a rush.. In many cases even changing rails was not enough because there was only a single line and that was a bottleneck in itself. Further you do not mention constant partisan attacks on the railways and motor transport columns which had a very negative effect on supplies to the front. The Germans were in the USSR for over 4 years and the supply situation never was good.
I didn't know the story of Mikhail Panikakha... I've just googled it, I'm shocked...
It's 2am and I'm having trouble sleeping, so of course this pops up
Something on your mind?
@@TheImperatorKnight nah not really I just have the same sleep patter as a vampire is all
Great series on Stalingrad, the best I've seen on UA-cam 😀 👍
Fantastic work !!! In Russian, I have not seen anything like it in my entire life. Everything is so detailed ... Bravo!
Its enjoying to see you explaining the unwanted consequences of Paulus’ plan after you earlier you said, he did not make a tactical mistake with it. And I saw a sequence: every time when a push to east might relieve some german forces by destroying the soviet ones he turns his troops north, where he simple exhaust them and during that allowing the soviets to contract their forces into the city.
Great Presentation 👍
When can we expect a new episode. This is very good
Just what I need on a Monday!
"We have been incredibly successful with our Schwerpunkt tactics, creating local man- and firepower superiority to crush the opposition. Now let's dilute our manpower over wide fronts."
Truly great job, your channel deserves much more views and fame
Now I‘m a broken man on a Stalingrad pier
The last of Hartmann‘s Grenadiers
It's interesting to think that Chuikov might be listing the officers he thinks committed heinous acts against soldiers of the Soviet Union but the more probable situation is that he was a true believer in communism and felt that these murderous watch dogs where a necessary Factor in keeping the army from deserting. It is my guess that he was probably scoring points by listing important men and praising them. Perhaps it was a song that he had to sing because it seems as if anybody besides Stalin could be murdered by the state.