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@@ekimandersom4478 we dont, lol... We get it only if we service it it as their crazy expensive dealers... Ant its only for 250k km. Most cars do that way sooner than those 15 years. Its just a marketing stunt.
The quality inside and out is definitely outstanding, which is something normal for any Lexus. The hybrid system and Lexus customer care are just a bonus on top.
You think the plastic rattly Lexus IS, the CT or the UX are outstanding in quality? And quality goes well beyond just using some soft plastics and fitting them together. What about the design and ergonomy? You think this late 90s style of laying around tens of buttons in the most impractical areas is quality? ANd all those hard plastics near the console and under the wheel... C'mon... Any decently trimmed German car smashes this cars interior. I concede that the fit and finish is really good. Its always been with the Japanese. They are superior when automating. But everything else is a big L for the Lexus.
@@AI-qd4vb the Audi Q5 for example has hard plastic on the doors. It depends. Not all German cars are better. Nowadays I'd be looking at a Genesis for a premium experience.
So what if it is a Camry/Avalon underneath, all the VAG group cars are based on shared platforms - your expensive Audi is a Skoda and that is never a problem. Only seems to be Lexus where this is an issue for some people.
That is not true at all. Many people have the same issue with other brands that have a similar relationship Toyota and Lexus have. Lexus is not the only brand that suffers from this "criticism" at all. It is a stupid issue to have regardless of the brand, not just if it is a Lexus.
@@ClaireYunFarronXIII Yes, i agree but you will never see a review here of say, an Audi A3 with a big arrow saying "Seat Leon inside?" - he'd never be given car from them to review again but nearly every Lexus review begins with the cliche "its just a posh Toyota". For the record i love this channel and their work.
@@kristians2704 but many of the mechanicals snd behind the scenes technology is identical. I think that’s the issue rather than platform. In the UK the Camry is no longer sold so that makes an obvious case for this car.
Your final words really says it all "If you want to own one and keep one for 10 years, that might be crucial factor" .. beautiful car, very adequate power and handling for everything normal person needs, comfortable, interior is of such quality and no unnecessary capacitve bs.
Hes in germany. People keep cars for 20 years in here. We get properly built cars here else they dont sell. Aka, see how long shitty Chevy lasted in our continent. We dont have reliability issues with our cars here. We do have some, sure, but nothing to egregious and the Japanese are not especially better in any case. The Merc E class has been a top pick for reliability here since ages. Its the most used car for taxi fleets.
Good point - but Lexus & proper maintenance adherence = Bulletproof 5 Star reliability for 25 years, as I can attest. Same as my ‘89 W124 300E M103 sedan at a low 355,000 kms and in still in regular use.
I think most people are getting it wrong with the es. This car wasn't built to be a performance one but rather something that is comfortable, fuel efficient, reliable with attention to detail on build quality, not to mention the fact that it's a hybrid and therefore saves you money at the pumps as well as better for the environment. I have a 2019 camry hybrid and I can assure you that the two cars are totally different when driven back to back. I'll take the es over my camry any day. Thanks for a great review as usual Thomas and a very Happy Xmas to you.
But you get all of that in a better package with any other European rival. Not only the germans. Volvo, Jaguar and even the newer DS9 all seem more upmarket... And lets be honest, in this segment, which of these cars you think are ineficient? Or poorly built? I mean, a S90, in case you dont fancy the germans, not only equals the ES in the fit and finish department, it utterly destroys it in the material quality or comfiness side.
@@AI-qd4vbNone of those cars will last trouble free outside of warranty. That is the point of the Lexus ES. Luxury is also about going from point a to b reliably not just a “fun” car. What’s the point of the car if it’s always in the shop….
I really loved the old GS, every surface was so pillowy soft. But the new NX is definitely on the shopping list once available. Test the electric Lexus, Thomas.
When my GS 450 was in the shop for maintenance I had an ES 300 as a loaner for a day. While it was certainly comfortable, it just felt so sluggish compared to the GS. Slower acceleration of course, less powerful brakes, a much larger turning circle and the engine was noisier despite being smaller. In my opinion the GS is just one step higher on the overall quality / luxury ladder than the ES.
It’s not just a Camry in a suit. Please see below: Is Lexus really a glorified Toyota? If you think so I have some information for you Yes, a lot of Toyota and Lexus vehicles are based on the same platform and actually share a lot of the same parts, but the similarities stop there. There is a reason why Lexus is a more reliable brand and a more expensive vehicle. I obviously cannot list all of them but I at least wanted to share a small example. Let's take the sheet metal used for the bodywork, for example: -The quality of the sheet metal has much higher overall quality and is held to much higher standards -No recycled parts are used -It's Zinc coated to help the paint stick better -There are MANY more steps to the stamping and rolling process -There is no crimping used -ALL welds are done with Laser weld that produce MUCH stronger welds that aren't brittle like regular welds which actually result in a safer vehicle -Overall the sheet metal process costs TWICE as much as the Toyota process The sheet metal is just one small example of the attention to detail that goes into the Lexus manufacturing process. Some others are the insane amount of inspection processes compared to Toyota before the vehicle can roll off of the line. The amount of training and certification that a Lexus assembly line employee has to endure compared to a Toyota line employee is significantly more. Even if the engine block is the same the casting process is different. All of these processes cost more money. All of this is to emphasize focus on "NVH". Noise. Vibration. Harshness. SO MUCH attention to detail is focused on NVH. If these types of things don't bring value to the table for you, I totally understand..and in that case the Toyota product is the right car for you to get. The Toyota is obviously still an amazing car that is almost as reliable and well made as the Lexus product. But if noise, vibration, harshness, overall drive quality and overall reliability and dependability are something that you see value in, rest assured that you are getting your money's worth when you get your Lexus. Source: Me. I am a 10+ Lexus employee who has sat in on trainings with some of the top guys from Toyota/Lexus. I don't care if you buy a Lexus or not, personally. It just irks me sometimes when I see people just make blanket statements about a particular vehicle being a glorified version of a Toyota and think somehow Lexus has just been getting away with slapping an "L" on the back and jacking up the MSRP. These cars are amazing and even I take for granted how much time and attention to detail the Japanese have put into these vehicles. Just my .02
The DS is trully special. Intelligently built for its purpose. Its even quiter and more detailed in its design than the most baroque of the Mercs. I dont think the Lexus is quite at this level of uniqueness and quirckness. I think the ES' most obvious competitor is the A6 actually. Striking design but contained sportiness. Average material quality but great fit and finish. The S90 is a class on its own in my opinion. The focus on the most important aspect of a car, safety, makes it trully unique. You wont find a single S90 with subpar lightning systems like base germans or clunky driving assist systems like that of the Lexus. Its material and fit and finish quality is also exceptional and the design is very reminiscent of their old boxy days. Quite boaty to drive though, which is unfortunate. And its heavy so not that efficient either...
The ES is designed for the US market. The aim is to cruise comfortably at 104,61 km per hour. German counterparts are made for brief periods of mindless speed on the Autobahn. As the ES is made for comfort, sport seats and big wheels don't do it justice. The dynamic offer in the Lexus line-up were the GS and IS, both killed off in Europe. Which is a shame, especially for the IS. The GS never found its customers in Europe, so replacing it with the ES makes some sense. But why kill the IS? It was the most suitable offer for the European market : the compact sedan (an estate would have been great, but only the first generation got a shooting break, ahead of it's time). If they had to kill off another model, it should have been the LS who's only customers in Europe are the Japanese ambassadors. Anyway, it's all about stupid SUVs with Lexus nowadays. There is some hope with an eventual electric line-up, but it’s going to be a long wait. And Genesis might fill the void... ps: why does every body feel compelled to make fun of CD players in cars. They still offer the best sound rendering. What's the use of a great sound system in a car, when the only thing you can play on it is compressed music from your phone or a streaming platform? 🤔
Whaaaa? You can play high fidelity audio from your phone too... And you dont have to change cd's every time you want to listen to another album. Or limit yourself to 10 to 20 tracks on an album for every given drive. If they'd at least provided you with a cd charger or memory function...
I got the latest Camry as a rental early this year, in a high trim, and have to say that that's a pretty luxury car. I assume the make the Lexus more sturdy with more welding pints in the chassis and higher quality interior, but I'm not sure if you can do 'far better' than the Camry looking at that trim and what most will pick for a premium E segment car.
@@dragospahontu I'm sure it's better. But several car media have pointed out that the difference might be too small to recommend spending extra for the Lexus vs the Camry. It might also be that in Europe, cars are so expensive that people are hardly buying new ones and only on company lease. Since the European brands are cheaper, Lexus comes with an extra premium while Toyota did everything to price the Camry extra competitively.
what does "real world quality" mean? If we're comparing performance, handling, tech, interior quality, style... then the Germans are far better than Lexus or any other Japanese car brand
@@kristians2704 it means components that don't break. Components that are well engineering and made with a good materials/plastic rather than the flimsy plastic the Germans use under the bonnet.
That’s an LFA inspired instrumentation!6:10 you should do your homework and check the iconic Lexus LFA. That instrument cluster is my favourite from the market; one of the many reasons why I own a Lexus.
Have to disagree with thomas, the moving bezel on the digital display is utterly amazing and raises the digital display over the rivals which are just tablet screens.
So much to like about this car but I get the impression Thomas doesn’t seem to be that keen. Luckily many other channels think this car is outstanding.
@@lt.seantopperharley6369 because in Europe we mainly get small hybrid engines. In the US, Lexus sells serious cars with big engines that would kill any German car.
@@kristians2704 If I would be looking for a performance than I would go for something else - this car is not about the sport driving, in my opinion. I disagree about the interior but everybode's taste is different, I guess. The reliability and depreciation over the years is just superior comparing to A6/5/E Class.
I honestly feel its a rival to the 3 series and C Class, it's just a larger bodied entrant into that segment. I honestly prefer their SUV designs right now while hoping for a CT revival as an electric hatch. Those new Toyota batteries would be great in a new CT.
found the only youtuber in the world that hates the sliding instrument cluster, must be a Lexus hater when I think about it and watching his LC reviews....
I think the opposite of what you just said is actually true. People who don’t know cars probably think more of Lexus and don’t necessarily know they are Toyota reskins.
@@danstrader9418 the Toyota Camry has a very good platform already, this is why the ES is based on it. But the cars offer a different experience in my opinion.
@@asianskywalker Sorry, the quality is good , but the infotainment system outdated, some tech outdated , no can do. Don't get me wrong it's a good car ,but can't compare it to the German rivals in the same class,nope!
@@gregorygant4242 well, EU , Asian and NA sales tell a different story. In US, German cars have a reputation as unreliable, expensive to repair and overly technical. Lexus are reliable, solid, great resale and great value. That’s the reputation and one justly earned.
6:16 Who tf calls the LFA style instrument cluster "unnecessary and funny"? Europeans think a Mercedes' creeks and rattles are "features" , but something out of a Lexus supercar is "funny". Also, it's not based on Camry, it's based on Avalon.
That moving cluster is ridiculous. And we also criticize Mercedes here more than enough. Camry, Avalon and Lexus ES all share the same base platform. It is correct that the ES is closer to the Avalon though.
@@autogefuehl Ridiculous? Seems the brilliant engineers and those that buy them in huge quantities will disagree with you. The fact that there are no known cases of failures you calling it "ridiculous," seems to be the only thing ridiculous.
Just a couple of years ago we were all like "wow awesome touchscreen control, cool" but now we are "thank god for real buttons". I think things like climate control on the screen only has grown very old quickly.
Love the buttons and knobs. Steering wheel must be leather! New cars are getting carried away with displays and lighting which has nothing to do with driving and is more distracting than anything. There was a time when Lexus lagged the competition but the Asian car companies are now more in touch with consumers.
A huge respect to Thomas' attention to details in his dress. He is always dressed in according to a car on review. Very nice style and makes picture look good.
I think Lexus doesn't do interior lightings like MB and others because it decreases visibility to what's outside the car, making it harder to see at night. So while not as "cool", it is indeed safer.
I think that's pretty simple. The Japanese (apart from Nissan) tend to not add the newest technologies the moment they're ready to use in cars. The Germans especially are on the cutting edge, so they kind operate as "Guinea pigs". Don't know if there are some deeper reasons as to why, Toyota is a huge supplier of finance to other manufacturers and maybe we are unaware of such supplies to European manufacturers. I remember visiting their Paint supplier a few times for work and had no idea how much of the supply chain was owned by Toyota, from the supplier of the containers to the materials used in the construction of the building, all Toyota owned. The organogram of ownership for those entities was a scary Web. But surprisingly they are open to questions about everything, unlike a couple other manufacturers that were clients of my employer.
Why do the built in gps navigation look and feel really bad in cars? So laggy and out dated. One pays thousands and they give them an Arduino level navigation system.
The autobahn test is interesting because it's one of the only places in the world where you can drive over 130km/h on public roads. A car developed anywhere else would not have extensive noise testing above these speeds, and would also never be used at those speeds in most places. It's no surprise that German manufacturers are the best in that regard.
Surprised you didn't mention the Mark Levinson sound system. I believe that's one of the best reasons to get this car. In a Camry, at least in the UK, you cannot get even an upgraded JBL sound system or sunroof as an option which I'm to not take business from the ES.
Best in class in many aspects for sure and for the high speed test , non a Toyota/Lexus hybrids are made for that and to be expected the results, still very good car for long motorway driving, all you need is to keep it within speed limits, 65-70mph perfect 👍.
Thanks Thomas. True. The 3.5L six cylinder is the Lexus/Camry to own with the improved inlet porting...standard. The six cylinder didn't sell in Australia and is N/A. My 2017 2.5L Camry was more than adequate in Sydney's driving back roads
This car may not have the more modern technology of its German competitors but the one area it will outperform them: reliability! This is why I would choose this car over its competitors.
This and the Camry variant will be cruising widely on US roads 15 years after the last German competition is in the scrap heap. 90s and early OOs Camrys are everywhere on Western US roads today. E class, Audis or 3 and 5 series? Nowhere except in parts yards.
Awesome review! Thank you. The ES300h is primarily used for someone in "comfort" focus. If you live and work in your car like salespeople do in the USA, this is a good vehicle. Inexpensive and very quite. By the way, the ES will last 20+ years (Built that way intentionally by Toyota). I still drive a 2013 LS460 V8 for work (with 318,000 km on the meter). Germany makes the best performance cars but for USD$50k, the ES300h is hard to beat. Danke!
A few things to add. Lexus in Germany gives up to 15 years warranty, as suppose to German brands only 2 years. Also the discounts at Lexus are often huge. I got an offer on the latest ES in Business trim for 45k. Nothing German even compares for that price.
Toyota and Lexus seats are extremely comfortable. I recently drove 3400 kms on a long journey in a Toyota and my back wasn't even sore once which it usually is in my E Class and in the 5 series and A6. They don't need fancy seat kinetics and countless adjustments because the seat itself was well designed. There wasn't even pressure that I usually feel like there is no blood flow in my legs. Renting that Toyota and experiencing it over 3400kms gave me huge respect for Lexus and Toyota. It's funny you mention seat ergonomics because since the W212 E Class on, Mercedes seat ergonomics went down a lot. They used to be so comfortable back then with the W211 E Class and W203 C Class etc. But now the comfortable seats is only reserved for the S Class which is bs. My E Class makes my back so sore no matter how I adjust it. I used to be an avid Mercedes fan but no more. They're not what they're used to be. Cost cutting is evident everywhere in all their cars now.
I have a 2010 Camry, a G30 530i and W212 pre face-lift E200. The Camry is extremely comfortable with it's plush seats and makes long distance driving a breeze. The Merc and BMW have stiffer seats but are nicer to drive.
There is something extremely pleasant about riding in most Toyotas, even the Corolla just gives this very pleasant ride experience. Lexus just ups it more and gives noticeably more refinement. Euro cars feel heavier and more weighted, which is good in a way, and the firmness of the seats and ride is different, more pronounced, in the Euro cars. Even the softer riding Mercedes have an underlying firmness where the Lexus has a weighted softness to it.
Great review as always Thomas! Looking forward to more Lexus reviews... Any chance you can do a feature on the s680 guard next time you're at Mercedes HQ?
I really like the old Autogefuhl intro with Thomas briefly speak the car and the music with some shots of the vehicle. The old videos were like peice of art. Since when the video starts with Thomas speaking with no rest... It just feels too rush for me.
@@autogefuehl Ok, so if we talk about A4, then I should have said ”Superb inside” or ”Passat inside”. I have always wondered why Lexus is always ”just a Toyota” but Audi is never ”just a Skoda” whereas in many cases the differences between a Toyota and Lexus are greater than between Audi and Skoda, or VW…
@@juho.h Whatever sits on the MLB platform is Audi engineered. Whatever sits on an MQB platform is Volkswagen engineered. The Volkswagen Touareg is on an Audi Platform for example (MLB). The Audi Q3 is on a Volkswagen platform (MQB).
I love what they did with the interior. They found a better place to put that clock. And i like the emphasis on the samarai sword headlights. But the key fob needs refreshed badly.
Working on a Sunday and the day after Christmas! Very impressive. The ES is very long and Lexus seems behind German and even America automakers with infotainment and navigation systems and designs. It seems that Lexus designs and engineers from an Asian mindset and not with foreign markets or consumers in mind.
"Asian" mindset? Korean cars and Chinese are far more focused on infotainment and navigation as well as designs. Especially Chinese. So, it's too broad a brush to say "Asian" IMO. Also, Toyota is going to make some big improvements in both areas in the upcoming years. The software Arene looks very promising.
Hey Thomas, Thank you for your sophistaced explanation. I have a BMW 330e and it is way to stiff for me and it is killing my back. From a comfort standpoint; would you choose the ES300h or Honda civic ehev? Thank you
Lexus versions are supposed to be a good bit quieter (more soundproofing) than the Toyota versions. Thomas didn't seem to notice a real difference there, though.
Great review as always! Thanks Thomas. About reliability... Are Toyota and Lexus really better or is it just a mith? And what about rust? Even the new Corolla starts to rust at the underbody after less than 1 year...
@@autogefuehl thanks for your reply. I'd rather buy a Skoda Octavia 1.5 TSI DSG. More headroom, more legroom, bigger boot, less tyre and windnoise, better performance, better rustproofing and a lot less expensive 🙂
The germans never send a base engine test car without expensive options, the german press cars you are comparing it to are much more expensive, their similarly priced base versions aren't as nice as the press cars you get either.
Lovely car IMO. I wish lexus made it more practical that this. I don't see why the boot should be smaller than the camry's and also why can't they make the back seat foldable?
Thomas, would you say the price difference is justified to upgrade from a Camry to the ES? Is there a major difference in NVH and luxury features despite having the same power train? How does the door closing sound on the ES compare to the Camry? Thanks.
Well it is nicer for sure! But You should compare the exact offer and make a decision based on your budget. I also commented on this issue in the driving part, did you listen at that part?
Germans have a very unique view on Japanese cars compared to the rest of the world, which generally views them as more reliable and higher quality than German cars. German reviewers almost never make reference to the reputation of German cars being unreliable, it's like they are either unaware of that reputation internationally or are in denial of it. The obvious and clear advantage that Lexus has over it's German competitors is vastly superior reliability and running costs, but it gets only passing reference in this review. but if you want to know how it handles at 150 MPH, they've got you covered.
I found out that if you close the shade to the sunroof the wind noise level drops significantly - it looks like yours is open on the highway with the action cam attached to the glass of the sunroof?! Try it next time you have the chance.
Hi , i agree , i have this car and i love it,it is whisper quite and very comfortable in normal driving, closing the sun shade will make it even quieter, the drive in this car is nick named the Magic carpet by some other reviewers for a reason.
If it is based on the Camry which is a D-segment sedan, wouldn't this car be more appropriately compared to the 3 series, C-class, and the A4? Or is it the pricing that makes it go up a class to the E-segment?
Ausgezeichnet. Bitte 🙏 prüfen sie die Lexus LS500. The Lexus ES is comparable to a Toyota Camry. It’s impossible to compare it to a German sedan. Perhaps an Opel Kadet
Of the four I would go for the E-Class (if I could afford it ;)) It's a proper RWD and is the most luxurious from the lot. Which is exactly what I would expect from a sedan of this category: luxury. For sporty driving, nothing beats an actual sports car :)
I think you'll find the Lexus chassis is based on the Avalon not the Camry. You are motoring journalists aren't you or just repeating the usual car crap.
If only Genesis G80 had that 2,5l hybrid... consumption and energy efficiency rating is the main con of Genesis G80. Lexus still shines here, but it's (imho) a last stand.
@@MaximilianvonPinneberg but it has 5 link suspension and the engine is longitudinally mounted. Only Volvo S90 and Citroen DS are similar to the Lexus ES.
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00:00 Overview Lexus ES
00:15 Styling and lights
00:40 Length and comparison Lexus GS & Toyota Camry
01:48 Rear and F Sport suspension details
02:22 Interior
02:47 Steering wheel
03:06 NuLuxe (EcoLuxe or Tahara) base and sports seats
04:49 Cockpit overview
05:56 Instruments
06:18 Head-up-Display (HUD)
06:28 Infotainment system
07:12 Rear seats
07:55 Trunk / boot
08:28 Engine choices
08:55 Driving 2.5 Hybrid ES 300h motorway with acceleration
13:00 Agile driving F Sport adaptive suspension vs A6, E-Class, 5-Series
16:03 Hybrid drivetrain with fuel economy and reliability (!)
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Some people just want a quality motor that is ultra reliable. Lexus do this better than most.
Thats why in Europe we get 15 years guarantee on a new Lexus
@@ekimandersom4478 we dont, lol... We get it only if we service it it as their crazy expensive dealers... Ant its only for 250k km. Most cars do that way sooner than those 15 years. Its just a marketing stunt.
@@AI-qd4vb That is with any guarantee
The quality inside and out is definitely outstanding, which is something normal for any Lexus.
The hybrid system and Lexus customer care are just a bonus on top.
Still boring looking and expensive
@@HardcoreWeeaboo Hahahaha, some bullshit and non correct explanation by person who does not know about this car.
@@HardcoreWeeaboo it is worth the money and it is priced the same as the competitors
You think the plastic rattly Lexus IS, the CT or the UX are outstanding in quality?
And quality goes well beyond just using some soft plastics and fitting them together. What about the design and ergonomy? You think this late 90s style of laying around tens of buttons in the most impractical areas is quality? ANd all those hard plastics near the console and under the wheel... C'mon... Any decently trimmed German car smashes this cars interior.
I concede that the fit and finish is really good. Its always been with the Japanese. They are superior when automating. But everything else is a big L for the Lexus.
@@AI-qd4vb the Audi Q5 for example has hard plastic on the doors. It depends. Not all German cars are better.
Nowadays I'd be looking at a Genesis for a premium experience.
So what if it is a Camry/Avalon underneath, all the VAG group cars are based on shared platforms - your expensive Audi is a Skoda and that is never a problem. Only seems to be Lexus where this is an issue for some people.
because the Audi A6 doesn’t share a platform with a VW Passat
That is not true at all. Many people have the same issue with other brands that have a similar relationship Toyota and Lexus have. Lexus is not the only brand that suffers from this "criticism" at all. It is a stupid issue to have regardless of the brand, not just if it is a Lexus.
@@ClaireYunFarronXIII Yes, i agree but you will never see a review here of say, an Audi A3 with a big arrow saying "Seat Leon inside?" - he'd never be given car from them to review again but nearly every Lexus review begins with the cliche "its just a posh Toyota". For the record i love this channel and their work.
@@kristians2704 but many of the mechanicals snd behind the scenes technology is identical. I think that’s the issue rather than platform. In the UK the Camry is no longer sold so that makes an obvious case for this car.
@@kristians2704 Audi A3 is a Golf tho.
Your final words really says it all "If you want to own one and keep one for 10 years, that might be crucial factor" .. beautiful car, very adequate power and handling for everything normal person needs, comfortable, interior is of such quality and no unnecessary capacitve bs.
Hes in germany. People keep cars for 20 years in here. We get properly built cars here else they dont sell. Aka, see how long shitty Chevy lasted in our continent. We dont have reliability issues with our cars here. We do have some, sure, but nothing to egregious and the Japanese are not especially better in any case. The Merc E class has been a top pick for reliability here since ages. Its the most used car for taxi fleets.
Good point - but Lexus & proper maintenance adherence = Bulletproof 5 Star reliability for 25 years, as I can attest.
Same as my ‘89 W124 300E M103 sedan at a low 355,000 kms and in still in regular use.
@@AI-qd4vb So wrong
@@ekimandersom4478 Empty argument...
So glad to see you managed to get hold of a Lexus, I know it's not easy in Germany. Hope you get more.
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I think most people are getting it wrong with the es. This car wasn't built to be a performance one but rather something that is comfortable, fuel efficient, reliable with attention to detail on build quality, not to mention the fact that it's a hybrid and therefore saves you money at the pumps as well as better for the environment. I have a 2019 camry hybrid and I can assure you that the two cars are totally different when driven back to back. I'll take the es over my camry any day. Thanks for a great review as usual Thomas and a very Happy Xmas to you.
Happy holidays!
But you get all of that in a better package with any other European rival. Not only the germans. Volvo, Jaguar and even the newer DS9 all seem more upmarket... And lets be honest, in this segment, which of these cars you think are ineficient? Or poorly built? I mean, a S90, in case you dont fancy the germans, not only equals the ES in the fit and finish department, it utterly destroys it in the material quality or comfiness side.
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If only they were as reliable as Lexus 😅
@@AI-qd4vb The S90 already has a pretty poor reputation for reliability, especially the diesels.
@@AI-qd4vbNone of those cars will last trouble free outside of warranty. That is the point of the Lexus ES. Luxury is also about going from point a to b reliably not just a “fun” car. What’s the point of the car if it’s always in the shop….
I really loved the old GS, every surface was so pillowy soft. But the new NX is definitely on the shopping list once available. Test the electric Lexus, Thomas.
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@@wolfgangvongoethe2259 Hahaha, the infamy is universal it seems.
When my GS 450 was in the shop for maintenance I had an ES 300 as a loaner for a day. While it was certainly comfortable, it just felt so sluggish compared to the GS. Slower acceleration of course, less powerful brakes, a much larger turning circle and the engine was noisier despite being smaller. In my opinion the GS is just one step higher on the overall quality / luxury ladder than the ES.
@@wolfgangvongoethe2259 what about reliability ? is lexus more reliable? than germans
Lexus NX review is now here: ua-cam.com/video/KaZ5LMkYA44/v-deo.html
German luxury brands epitomize "Not all that glitters is gold"
The ES looks like a proper luxury car, the quality looks great in a sort of traditional way, which is a good thing in this case.
The Mercedes E class of the same spec here in Ireland is €20,000 more expensive the the Lexus ES
I would expect the E200d would have much better fuel economy, almost matched by the 520d .
It’s not just a Camry in a suit. Please see below:
Is Lexus really a glorified Toyota? If you think so I have some information for you
Yes, a lot of Toyota and Lexus vehicles are based on the same platform and actually share a lot of the same parts, but the similarities stop there. There is a reason why Lexus is a more reliable brand and a more expensive vehicle. I obviously cannot list all of them but I at least wanted to share a small example.
Let's take the sheet metal used for the bodywork, for example:
-The quality of the sheet metal has much higher overall quality and is held to much higher standards
-No recycled parts are used
-It's Zinc coated to help the paint stick better
-There are MANY more steps to the stamping and rolling process
-There is no crimping used
-ALL welds are done with Laser weld that produce MUCH stronger welds that aren't brittle like regular welds
which actually result in a safer vehicle
-Overall the sheet metal process costs TWICE as much as the Toyota process
The sheet metal is just one small example of the attention to detail that goes into the Lexus manufacturing process. Some others are the insane amount of inspection processes compared to Toyota before the vehicle can roll off of the line. The amount of training and certification that a Lexus assembly line employee has to endure compared to a Toyota line employee is significantly more. Even if the engine block is the same the casting process is different. All of these processes cost more money.
All of this is to emphasize focus on "NVH". Noise. Vibration. Harshness. SO MUCH attention to detail is focused on NVH.
If these types of things don't bring value to the table for you, I totally understand..and in that case the Toyota product is the right car for you to get. The Toyota is obviously still an amazing car that is almost as reliable and well made as the Lexus product. But if noise, vibration, harshness, overall drive quality and overall reliability and dependability are something that you see value in, rest assured that you are getting your money's worth when you get your Lexus.
Source: Me. I am a 10+ Lexus employee who has sat in on trainings with some of the top guys from Toyota/Lexus. I don't care if you buy a Lexus or not, personally. It just irks me sometimes when I see people just make blanket statements about a particular vehicle being a glorified version of a Toyota and think somehow Lexus has just been getting away with slapping an "L" on the back and jacking up the MSRP. These cars are amazing and even I take for granted how much time and attention to detail the Japanese have put into these vehicles.
Just my .02
Copied from another source, I don’t work for Lexus
@@ranjanthomas5982 looooo
So happy to see you review a Lexus. Can't wait to see you with a new NX and new UX.
Lexus NX review is now here: ua-cam.com/video/KaZ5LMkYA44/v-deo.html
The ES is more of a Volvo S90, DS 9 and Audi A6 competitor because all of them are fwd based.
For me the DS and Lexus offer a more unique experience.
The DS is trully special. Intelligently built for its purpose. Its even quiter and more detailed in its design than the most baroque of the Mercs.
I dont think the Lexus is quite at this level of uniqueness and quirckness. I think the ES' most obvious competitor is the A6 actually. Striking design but contained sportiness. Average material quality but great fit and finish.
The S90 is a class on its own in my opinion. The focus on the most important aspect of a car, safety, makes it trully unique. You wont find a single S90 with subpar lightning systems like base germans or clunky driving assist systems like that of the Lexus. Its material and fit and finish quality is also exceptional and the design is very reminiscent of their old boxy days. Quite boaty to drive though, which is unfortunate. And its heavy so not that efficient either...
@@AI-qd4vb s90 design reminscent of the boxy days? It's a very curved car.
That’s a beautiful Lexus
Lexus and Autogefuhl, great pairing. Can't wait to hear your opinions on the updated SUVs.
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Great to see Lexus review. Can't wait to see the NX and your feelings on the UX300e.
We will!
Lexus NX review is now here: ua-cam.com/video/KaZ5LMkYA44/v-deo.html
The ES is designed for the US market. The aim is to cruise comfortably at 104,61 km per hour. German counterparts are made for brief periods of mindless speed on the Autobahn. As the ES is made for comfort, sport seats and big wheels don't do it justice. The dynamic offer in the Lexus line-up were the GS and IS, both killed off in Europe. Which is a shame, especially for the IS. The GS never found its customers in Europe, so replacing it with the ES makes some sense. But why kill the IS? It was the most suitable offer for the European market : the compact sedan (an estate would have been great, but only the first generation got a shooting break, ahead of it's time). If they had to kill off another model, it should have been the LS who's only customers in Europe are the Japanese ambassadors. Anyway, it's all about stupid SUVs with Lexus nowadays. There is some hope with an eventual electric line-up, but it’s going to be a long wait. And Genesis might fill the void...
ps: why does every body feel compelled to make fun of CD players in cars. They still offer the best sound rendering. What's the use of a great sound system in a car, when the only thing you can play on it is compressed music from your phone or a streaming platform? 🤔
CD players are underrated for sure.
Whaaaa? You can play high fidelity audio from your phone too... And you dont have to change cd's every time you want to listen to another album. Or limit yourself to 10 to 20 tracks on an album for every given drive. If they'd at least provided you with a cd charger or memory function...
@@AI-qd4vbCDs don't need to be charged. They couldn't fit a battery in the grooves anyway.
Will you do a Lexus LS review? Maybe compare it with a Genesis and a German car in a video.
I hope we can! So far no vehicle available here
@@autogefuehl it would be really interesting to see the different approaches from each manufacturer
Finally, Lexus reviews. Thank you Thomas. Quality levels are well known to be far higher than Camry so no, not a Camry.
Appreciated!
I got the latest Camry as a rental early this year, in a high trim, and have to say that that's a pretty luxury car. I assume the make the Lexus more sturdy with more welding pints in the chassis and higher quality interior, but I'm not sure if you can do 'far better' than the Camry looking at that trim and what most will pick for a premium E segment car.
@@djoetma Camry is very well made, but the Lexus is on another level.
@@dragospahontu I'm sure it's better. But several car media have pointed out that the difference might be too small to recommend spending extra for the Lexus vs the Camry.
It might also be that in Europe, cars are so expensive that people are hardly buying new ones and only on company lease. Since the European brands are cheaper, Lexus comes with an extra premium while Toyota did everything to price the Camry extra competitively.
@@djoetma I can definitely see that. It is like buying an Audi A3 instead of a Golf.
Thomas you know the real world quality of Lexus is far superior to the german brands.
No, poor soundproof, só boring
what does "real world quality" mean? If we're comparing performance, handling, tech, interior quality, style... then the Germans are far better than Lexus or any other Japanese car brand
@@kristians2704 it means components that don't break. Components that are well engineering and made with a good materials/plastic rather than the flimsy plastic the Germans use under the bonnet.
@@kristians2704 it means that they make things last
So great to see Lexus on Autogefuhl, hope you get to try out an ev Lexus soon.
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finally you review some lexus cars
That’s an LFA inspired instrumentation!6:10 you should do your homework and check the iconic Lexus LFA.
That instrument cluster is my favourite from the market; one of the many reasons why I own a Lexus.
Have to disagree with thomas, the moving bezel on the digital display is utterly amazing and raises the digital display over the rivals which are just tablet screens.
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So much to like about this car but I get the impression Thomas doesn’t seem to be that keen. Luckily many other channels think this car is outstanding.
Don't think he likes Lexus. None of them really impress him. They always leave him laughing at their features.
@@lt.seantopperharley6369 because in Europe we mainly get small hybrid engines.
In the US, Lexus sells serious cars with big engines that would kill any German car.
@@dragospahontu Nope
@@ekimandersom4478 what do you mean?
No Lexus will kill any German car .
Nothing wrong being a rebranded Camry. Damn nice cars.
I would definitely pick it over German brands. Thank you for the review, great as always.
over which German car?
@@kristians2704 Those mentioned in the title (Mercedes, BMW, Audi)
Thanks m8
@@wxdTSU2brt the E class, 5 series and A6 have better interiors, more tech, RWD platforms and they offer high performance 6 cylinder and V8 engines
@@kristians2704 If I would be looking for a performance than I would go for something else - this car is not about the sport driving, in my opinion. I disagree about the interior but everybode's taste is different, I guess. The reliability and depreciation over the years is just superior comparing to A6/5/E Class.
So excited to finally have a lexus reviewed! They are not very common in europe
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I honestly feel its a rival to the 3 series and C Class, it's just a larger bodied entrant into that segment. I honestly prefer their SUV designs right now while hoping for a CT revival as an electric hatch. Those new Toyota batteries would be great in a new CT.
Loved the CT, would be amazing to see a new version.
The CT was a great hatch that came to the market too early. At the time, Diesel was all the rage in Europe.
UX is kind of the new CT. But agree with what you're saying.
The ES is more in the middle of 3 and 5 series I do agree
Think it's great they didn't rush into EVs just to keep up with the others, they've ensured they aren't selling us garbage.
Awesome! So excited to see you with a Lexus after so long. Hope there's more to come.
Yes!
They take after the Toyota Avalon, not Camry.
Both.
found the only youtuber in the world that hates the sliding instrument cluster, must be a Lexus hater when I think about it and watching his LC reviews....
Right, Lexus hater just because one detail is ridiculous…
There is always the non f-sport without it 😁✌️ F sport trim doesnt suit this car anyways
Best in category since we all know the lexus will still be on the road while the competition slips in and out of garages
Car enthusiasts will know its FAR ahead of the Camry, but an average joe will see it as a Camry.
I think the opposite of what you just said is actually true. People who don’t know cars probably think more of Lexus and don’t necessarily know they are Toyota reskins.
@@danstrader9418 the Toyota Camry has a very good platform already, this is why the ES is based on it. But the cars offer a different experience in my opinion.
Lexus, better than anything made in Germany. Reliability, fit and finish are beyond compare.
Agree. Zero squeaks and rattles in my lexus is300h. I cant say the same for my previous german cars.
@@asianskywalker Reliability perhaps , fit and finish , and prestige the world over , na , don't think so !
@@gregorygant4242 reliability perhaps? Can't you even give credit where credit is due?
@@asianskywalker Sorry, the quality is good , but the infotainment system outdated, some tech outdated , no can do.
Don't get me wrong it's a good car ,but can't compare it to the German rivals in the same class,nope!
@@gregorygant4242 well, EU , Asian and NA sales tell a different story. In US, German cars have a reputation as unreliable, expensive to repair and overly technical. Lexus are reliable, solid, great resale and great value. That’s the reputation and one justly earned.
Finally a Lexus! Thx for the great video! What would you choose between G80 and Es300h? Asia premiums doing their job well done!
6:16 Who tf calls the LFA style instrument cluster "unnecessary and funny"? Europeans think a Mercedes' creeks and rattles are "features" , but something out of a Lexus supercar is "funny". Also, it's not based on Camry, it's based on Avalon.
That moving cluster is ridiculous. And we also criticize Mercedes here more than enough. Camry, Avalon and Lexus ES all share the same base platform. It is correct that the ES is closer to the Avalon though.
@@autogefuehl Ridiculous? Seems the brilliant engineers and those that buy them in huge quantities will disagree with you. The fact that there are no known cases of failures you calling it "ridiculous," seems to be the only thing ridiculous.
Just a couple of years ago we were all like "wow awesome touchscreen control, cool" but now we are "thank god for real buttons". I think things like climate control on the screen only has grown very old quickly.
Love the buttons and knobs. Steering wheel must be leather! New cars are getting carried away with displays and lighting which has nothing to do with driving and is more distracting than anything. There was a time when Lexus lagged the competition but the Asian car companies are now more in touch with consumers.
A huge respect to Thomas' attention to details in his dress. He is always dressed in according to a car on review. Very nice style and makes picture look good.
highly appreciated
I think Lexus doesn't do interior lightings like MB and others because it decreases visibility to what's outside the car, making it harder to see at night. So while not as "cool", it is indeed safer.
might be
Moving dial idea taken from LFA. One of the coolest cars ever in the rest of the world.
Why do you think European carmakers do not make vehicles as reliable and durable like Japanese manufacturers? Lexus for that matter.
Good question
I think that's pretty simple. The Japanese (apart from Nissan) tend to not add the newest technologies the moment they're ready to use in cars. The Germans especially are on the cutting edge, so they kind operate as "Guinea pigs". Don't know if there are some deeper reasons as to why, Toyota is a huge supplier of finance to other manufacturers and maybe we are unaware of such supplies to European manufacturers. I remember visiting their Paint supplier a few times for work and had no idea how much of the supply chain was owned by Toyota, from the supplier of the containers to the materials used in the construction of the building, all Toyota owned. The organogram of ownership for those entities was a scary Web. But surprisingly they are open to questions about everything, unlike a couple other manufacturers that were clients of my employer.
Why do the built in gps navigation look and feel really bad in cars? So laggy and out dated. One pays thousands and they give them an Arduino level navigation system.
The autobahn test is interesting because it's one of the only places in the world where you can drive over 130km/h on public roads. A car developed anywhere else would not have extensive noise testing above these speeds, and would also never be used at those speeds in most places. It's no surprise that German manufacturers are the best in that regard.
It’s an Avalon actually underneath but still worth every penny ❤️❤️❤️❤️
Both - same base platform but closer to Avalon indeed
There's something so sumptuous, luxurious and mysterious about lexus is why I'd chose the brand over the germans, who needs ambient lighting anyway
I actually don't like it. I'm glad to see so far Lexus minimizing it and Euro cars like Volvo and Polestar not going with it.
Lexus is much better than any German car 🚗 🚘 🚔
Ah man, every time I want to research a car, you seem to have a video on it. Detailed review as always.
Cheers m8!
Surprised you didn't mention the Mark Levinson sound system. I believe that's one of the best reasons to get this car. In a Camry, at least in the UK, you cannot get even an upgraded JBL sound system or sunroof as an option which I'm to not take business from the ES.
No sound indeed
Best in class in many aspects for sure and for the high speed test , non a Toyota/Lexus hybrids are made for that and to be expected the results, still very good car for long motorway driving, all you need is to keep it within speed limits, 65-70mph perfect 👍.
There is no speed limit in Germany.
And no idea what mph is
Seems like a decent car. Excellent review, Thomas. ❤️
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Thanks Thomas. True. The 3.5L six cylinder is the Lexus/Camry to own with the improved inlet porting...standard. The six cylinder didn't sell in Australia and is N/A. My 2017 2.5L Camry was more than adequate in Sydney's driving back roads
Cheers m8!
Well done again for keeping the 90s design team
This car may not have the more modern technology of its German competitors but the one area it will outperform them: reliability! This is why I would choose this car over its competitors.
Great review !!! Hopefully we get a drive in LX600
This and the Camry variant will be cruising widely on US roads 15 years after the last German competition is in the scrap heap.
90s and early OOs Camrys are everywhere on Western US roads today. E class, Audis or 3 and 5 series? Nowhere except in parts yards.
They're in third world countries.
That's not really true. Mercedes can last forever and I see old BMWs and Audis going strong as well. I'm in New Jersey.
It's Japanese, it's miles better than anything else 👍
6:17 amazing design and artistic. Like the Peugeot system they are brining something fresh.
Awesome review! Thank you. The ES300h is primarily used for someone in "comfort" focus. If you live and work in your car like salespeople do in the USA, this is a good vehicle. Inexpensive and very quite. By the way, the ES will last 20+ years (Built that way intentionally by Toyota). I still drive a 2013 LS460 V8 for work (with 318,000 km on the meter). Germany makes the best performance cars but for USD$50k, the ES300h is hard to beat. Danke!
Cheers m8!
@@autogefuehl I always imagine you'll be driving a Volkswagen golf or a Tesla LOL
An excellent review, thank you. It also looks quite amazing in Thomas-blue!
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A few things to add.
Lexus in Germany gives up to 15 years warranty, as suppose to German brands only 2 years.
Also the discounts at Lexus are often huge.
I got an offer on the latest ES in Business trim for 45k.
Nothing German even compares for that price.
Toyota and Lexus seats are extremely comfortable. I recently drove 3400 kms on a long journey in a Toyota and my back wasn't even sore once which it usually is in my E Class and in the 5 series and A6. They don't need fancy seat kinetics and countless adjustments because the seat itself was well designed. There wasn't even pressure that I usually feel like there is no blood flow in my legs. Renting that Toyota and experiencing it over 3400kms gave me huge respect for Lexus and Toyota.
It's funny you mention seat ergonomics because since the W212 E Class on, Mercedes seat ergonomics went down a lot. They used to be so comfortable back then with the W211 E Class and W203 C Class etc. But now the comfortable seats is only reserved for the S Class which is bs. My E Class makes my back so sore no matter how I adjust it. I used to be an avid Mercedes fan but no more. They're not what they're used to be. Cost cutting is evident everywhere in all their cars now.
Yeah it's really strange with Mercedes, I also feel that they are not good with seat ergonomics at all
I have a 2010 Camry, a G30 530i and W212 pre face-lift E200. The Camry is extremely comfortable with it's plush seats and makes long distance driving a breeze. The Merc and BMW have stiffer seats but are nicer to drive.
Same here, I got a 540i and a old w211 e55 and a camry xle. Camry is quiet and so comfy for long rides
There is something extremely pleasant about riding in most Toyotas, even the Corolla just gives this very pleasant ride experience. Lexus just ups it more and gives noticeably more refinement. Euro cars feel heavier and more weighted, which is good in a way, and the firmness of the seats and ride is different, more pronounced, in the Euro cars. Even the softer riding Mercedes have an underlying firmness where the Lexus has a weighted softness to it.
Merry Xmas, Thomas!! All the best to y’all there at Autogefühl!!
Merry xmas my friend!
I look forward to the review for this particular car with the digital side mirrors.
Contrary to what’s stated, the maximum result from hybrid system is obtained at speeds of around 100km/h. I manage to strike 4L/100km.
Great review as always Thomas! Looking forward to more Lexus reviews...
Any chance you can do a feature on the s680 guard next time you're at Mercedes HQ?
We ll try!
Great Tomas,! So grateful for this review, didn´t think it would come but thank you!
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Lexus is king 👑
I really like the old Autogefuhl intro with Thomas briefly speak the car and the music with some shots of the vehicle. The old videos were like peice of art. Since when the video starts with Thomas speaking with no rest... It just feels too rush for me.
Me too, however youtube algorithm doesn’t like it
Why none of the Audi reviews have the following text on the thumbnail: ”Octavia inside?”
A4 is different platform
@@autogefuehl Ok, so if we talk about A4, then I should have said ”Superb inside” or ”Passat inside”.
I have always wondered why Lexus is always ”just a Toyota” but Audi is never ”just a Skoda” whereas in many cases the differences between a Toyota and Lexus are greater than between Audi and Skoda, or VW…
@@juho.h Whatever sits on the MLB platform is Audi engineered. Whatever sits on an MQB platform is Volkswagen engineered.
The Volkswagen Touareg is on an Audi Platform for example (MLB). The Audi Q3 is on a Volkswagen platform (MQB).
it's a camry with better styling, inside and outside
Is that such a big issue? The Camry is a very competent car and in UK it is no longer sold.
@@MaximilianvonPinneberg not at all. only small issue i have is that it costs 10.000 euros more with a Lexus badge
You clearly have no idea what your talking about 😂
Thank you Thomas - more japanese cars would be great
Great review as always Thomas! Looking forward to the new NX 450h+, hope you review it soon :)
Sure!
Wished the hybrid came with optional AWD.
Realy like thuis Chanel...great content...los off nice cars.
Welcome 🙏
I love what they did with the interior. They found a better place to put that clock. And i like the emphasis on the samarai sword headlights. But the key fob needs refreshed badly.
Audi: We have our iconic single frame grill, it is probably the biggest in the industry.
Lexus: Challenge accepted! 😏
I have an ES from 2002 so I’m very biased when I say I really like this car
Working on a Sunday and the day after Christmas! Very impressive. The ES is very long and Lexus seems behind German and even America automakers with infotainment and navigation systems and designs. It seems that Lexus designs and engineers from an Asian mindset and not with foreign markets or consumers in mind.
Cheers m8!
"Asian" mindset? Korean cars and Chinese are far more focused on infotainment and navigation as well as designs. Especially Chinese. So, it's too broad a brush to say "Asian" IMO. Also, Toyota is going to make some big improvements in both areas in the upcoming years. The software Arene looks very promising.
Hey Thomas,
Thank you for your sophistaced explanation. I have a BMW 330e and it is way to stiff for me and it is killing my back. From a comfort standpoint; would you choose the ES300h or Honda civic ehev? Thank you
🙏 thanks
This here with NuLuxe seats
Lexus versions are supposed to be a good bit quieter (more soundproofing) than the Toyota versions. Thomas didn't seem to notice a real difference there, though.
Great review as always! Thanks Thomas.
About reliability... Are Toyota and Lexus really better or is it just a mith?
And what about rust? Even the new Corolla starts to rust at the underbody after less than 1 year...
At least the engines seem to be very reliable
@@autogefuehl thanks for your reply.
I'd rather buy a Skoda Octavia 1.5 TSI DSG. More headroom, more legroom, bigger boot, less tyre and windnoise, better performance, better rustproofing and a lot less expensive 🙂
The germans never send a base engine test car without expensive options, the german press cars you are comparing it to are much more expensive, their similarly priced base versions aren't as nice as the press cars you get either.
We can only get this one here with that hybrid
You are right, press vehicles usually high Spec
sir which camera is that on the passanger side please respond make" model"
Lovely car IMO. I wish lexus made it more practical that this. I don't see why the boot should be smaller than the camry's and also why can't they make the back seat foldable?
Once again, you didn't rest your head right back on the rear head rest. I'm slightly shorter than you (183cm), and my head touches the roof.
Thomas, would you say the price difference is justified to upgrade from a Camry to the ES? Is there a major difference in NVH and luxury features despite having the same power train? How does the door closing sound on the ES compare to the Camry? Thanks.
Well it is nicer for sure! But You should compare the exact offer and make a decision based on your budget. I also commented on this issue in the driving part, did you listen at that part?
@@autogefuehl Yes, the road noise is more noticeable at higher speeds. Just wanted to make sure it’s the same issue for the Camry as well.
Germans have a very unique view on Japanese cars compared to the rest of the world, which generally views them as more reliable and higher quality than German cars. German reviewers almost never make reference to the reputation of German cars being unreliable, it's like they are either unaware of that reputation internationally or are in denial of it. The obvious and clear advantage that Lexus has over it's German competitors is vastly superior reliability and running costs, but it gets only passing reference in this review. but if you want to know how it handles at 150 MPH, they've got you covered.
Hate the corporate grill of modern Lexuses (Lexi?) but would take it over the competition. Rather have a funny grill and no reliability issues.
I found out that if you close the shade to the sunroof the wind noise level drops significantly - it looks like yours is open on the highway with the action cam attached to the glass of the sunroof?! Try it next time you have the chance.
interesting !
Hi , i agree , i have this car and i love it,it is whisper quite and very comfortable in normal driving, closing the sun shade will make it even quieter, the drive in this car is nick named the Magic carpet by some other reviewers for a reason.
If it is based on the Camry which is a D-segment sedan, wouldn't this car be more appropriately compared to the 3 series, C-class, and the A4? Or is it the pricing that makes it go up a class to the E-segment?
Pricing and length. Its as long as an eclass
Since they're on the same platform I guess you make a good point, but price wise makes it compete with other cars.
Ausgezeichnet. Bitte 🙏 prüfen sie die Lexus LS500. The Lexus ES is comparable to a Toyota Camry. It’s impossible to compare it to a German sedan. Perhaps an Opel Kadet
LS500 is so good
Of the four I would go for the E-Class (if I could afford it ;)) It's a proper RWD and is the most luxurious from the lot. Which is exactly what I would expect from a sedan of this category: luxury. For sporty driving, nothing beats an actual sports car :)
Completely agree
I think you'll find the Lexus chassis is based on the Avalon not the Camry. You are motoring journalists aren't you or just repeating the usual car crap.
The Avalon is indeed more related, but it’s not being sold anymore. they are all on the same base platform
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_New_Global_Architecture#GA-K
The normal one is even more comfortable even though it has standard suspension
A6 king of this segment
check out this review: ua-cam.com/video/JWosGBkEnLY/v-deo.html
How? The ES has better materials and it is more efficient
If only Genesis G80 had that 2,5l hybrid... consumption and energy efficiency rating is the main con of Genesis G80. Lexus still shines here, but it's (imho) a last stand.
Being FWD and based on the Camry, don't think its competitors are A6, E Class and 5 Series
A6 is fwd.
@@MaximilianvonPinneberg but it has 5 link suspension and the engine is longitudinally mounted.
Only Volvo S90 and Citroen DS are similar to the Lexus ES.