@tigranvartanovitch Yes. But for the most part, most scholars and archeologists agree that the HSFDVD refers to the "House of David" and that the Tel Dan Stele is a genuine artifact. It was written around 850 BC, far to early for David to have totally turned into a legend. No I never heard of Odin. What relevance does a Norse god have to Israel?
@tigranvartanovitch It may or may not work like that. If there is no evidence to suggest that they used chariots, but if there is no evidence to say they didn't use chariots, then your left with nothing but speculation in which neither side is right or wrong. I'll give you hint, try WATCHING the documentary. It answers this question at the beginning. Personally, I am tired of having to answer this question because people are too lazy to actually watch it.
@Bigbreak2 So far, he only seems to be pulling red herrings. While there is a minority of scholars out there that dispute its authenticity or that it actually mentions "House of David", the general consensus is that the interpretation "House of David" is correct.[1] And keep mind these aren't even biblicist epigraphers. Source: [1] William Dever, 2004, 'What Did The Biblical Authors Know, And When Did They Know It?', pages 128-129
@tigranvartanovitch 1. So then, do you care to explain why you are already so sure King David never existed? Besides the Tel Dan Stelae, the only other potiental texts mentioning David between 1010 and 722 B.C. are from Moab and Karnak. I have extensively researched the subject of King David's historicity. So if you are so sure there are other writings which mention him in that timespan, why not bring them to light?
@tigranvartanovitch 1-2. Both are plausible, though I never said I believe they all necessary went as it was said. Right now, I know of nothing to say either fact is true or false. 3. Well...you certainly haven't shown anything to suggest it is false, so why should I believe so? 4. Even if you think Dever is batshit insane, I listed plenty of other names as well. Do you care to address any of them? 5. Nope. I don't have any evidence to suggest the Exodus actually took place.
@tigranvartanovitch How funny. I didn't know we were debating the existence of God! You must hit a blind spot in ALL that text in which I say I am an agnostic. It takes a LOT of talent to be able to do that. Being so predictable, you're expected to overlook this text as well. It shall be a great accomplishment if you don't.
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@tigranvartanovitch It's kind of hard for the Bible to be the red herring when it is the main account of King David. I know not knowing the existence of Odin has no connection to King David. And if these tablets are not the ones you had in mind, just what did you have in mind? They're completely legitimate sources until you debunk them...and that means refuting nearly every credible biblical scholar there is starting NOW! I'll quote some if you are to slothful to go look yourself.
@tigranvartanovitch The two tablets mentioning David are the Mesha Stele and the Tel Dan Stele. There's nothing else to be named! All you're doing is being elusive, avoiding the questions. You haven't answered anything. You seem pretty certain about your stance. Too bad the only thing you have said is "no, no, no". For David being a Canaanite god, it's surprising you never mentioned his name. Furthermore, don't say you don't want to hear anything about Dever. That's avoiding the question.
@tigranvartanovitch So then, what is it that you are so desperate to hide? Surely you must have something to prove David was a Canaanite god--or have you really been trolling me this whole time?
@tigranvartanovitch Well then, you have to contend with the scholars themselves, but all you have done is dodge scholarly authorities. And you yourself haven't examined the tablets, but still have the nerve to say I have to analyze them to make argument about them when you think you can argue against me? That's called hypocrisy and a double standard. If you actually followed your belief, then you wouldn't have engaged me in the first place.
@tigranvartanovitch I think you are confusing David with Dagon. Saying David was Canaanite god is a rather bullshitted claim. Perhaps I should actually mention the evidence. Look up the Mesha and Tel Dan stele and swallow their information. If the information is good enough for you, have a fun time shitting out the stone tablets.
@tigranvartanovitch What evidence? I have scrolled through the comments several time already; there is no mention of any of your so-called tablets. You also haven't provided a source for a single claim of yours. Alexander Pope and Odin doesn't mean a flipping, flying shit here. Anyone that seriously believes they are connected to an argument over the historicity of King David has some mental problems.
Frank interpretation of biblical brutality - gotta love it.
@tigranvartanovitch
Yes. But for the most part, most scholars and archeologists agree that the HSFDVD refers to the "House of David" and that the Tel Dan Stele is a genuine artifact. It was written around 850 BC, far to early for David to have totally turned into a legend.
No I never heard of Odin. What relevance does a Norse god have to Israel?
@tigranvartanovitch
It may or may not work like that. If there is no evidence to suggest that they used chariots, but if there is no evidence to say they didn't use chariots, then your left with nothing but speculation in which neither side is right or wrong.
I'll give you hint, try WATCHING the documentary. It answers this question at the beginning. Personally, I am tired of having to answer this question because people are too lazy to actually watch it.
@Bigbreak2
So far, he only seems to be pulling red herrings. While there is a minority of scholars out there that dispute its authenticity or that it actually mentions "House of David", the general consensus is that the interpretation "House of David" is correct.[1] And keep mind these aren't even biblicist epigraphers.
Source: [1] William Dever, 2004, 'What Did The Biblical Authors Know, And When Did They Know It?', pages 128-129
Now unless you actually have something scholarly to add to the debate and something other than blathering, just forget it.
@tigranvartanovitch
I am not saying you are wrong, but do you have any evidence to support your claim that the Philistines never used chariots?
@tigranvartanovitch
1. So then, do you care to explain why you are already so sure King David never existed?
Besides the Tel Dan Stelae, the only other potiental texts mentioning David between 1010 and 722 B.C. are from Moab and Karnak. I have extensively researched the subject of King David's historicity. So if you are so sure there are other writings which mention him in that timespan, why not bring them to light?
@tigranvartanovitch
Well...I don't know everything. And for a little piece of information, I'm an agnostic. So the bias argument won't work with me.
@tigranvartanovitch
1-2. Both are plausible, though I never said I believe they all necessary went as it was said. Right now, I know of nothing to say either fact is true or false.
3. Well...you certainly haven't shown anything to suggest it is false, so why should I believe so?
4. Even if you think Dever is batshit insane, I listed plenty of other names as well. Do you care to address any of them?
5. Nope. I don't have any evidence to suggest the Exodus actually took place.
@tigranvartanovitch
How funny. I didn't know we were debating the existence of God! You must hit a blind spot in ALL that text in which I say I am an agnostic. It takes a LOT of talent to be able to do that. Being so predictable, you're expected to overlook this text as well. It shall be a great accomplishment if you don't.
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@tigranvartanovitch
It's kind of hard for the Bible to be the red herring when it is the main account of King David. I know not knowing the existence of Odin has no connection to King David. And if these tablets are not the ones you had in mind, just what did you have in mind? They're completely legitimate sources until you debunk them...and that means refuting nearly every credible biblical scholar there is starting NOW! I'll quote some if you are to slothful to go look yourself.
@tigranvartanovitch
The two tablets mentioning David are the Mesha Stele and the Tel Dan Stele. There's nothing else to be named! All you're doing is being elusive, avoiding the questions. You haven't answered anything. You seem pretty certain about your stance. Too bad the only thing you have said is "no, no, no". For David being a Canaanite god, it's surprising you never mentioned his name. Furthermore, don't say you don't want to hear anything about Dever. That's avoiding the question.
@tigranvartanovitch
Kings was written around the 8th century BC. Go figure it out.
@tigranvartanovitch
So then, what is it that you are so desperate to hide? Surely you must have something to prove David was a Canaanite god--or have you really been trolling me this whole time?
@Bigbreak2
Yeah, what do you want?
@tigranvartanovitch
Well then, you have to contend with the scholars themselves, but all you have done is dodge scholarly authorities. And you yourself haven't examined the tablets, but still have the nerve to say I have to analyze them to make argument about them when you think you can argue against me? That's called hypocrisy and a double standard. If you actually followed your belief, then you wouldn't have engaged me in the first place.
@tigranvartanovitch
I think you are confusing David with Dagon. Saying David was Canaanite god is a rather bullshitted claim. Perhaps I should actually mention the evidence. Look up the Mesha and Tel Dan stele and swallow their information. If the information is good enough for you, have a fun time shitting out the stone tablets.
@tigranvartanovitch
What evidence? I have scrolled through the comments several time already; there is no mention of any of your so-called tablets. You also haven't provided a source for a single claim of yours. Alexander Pope and Odin doesn't mean a flipping, flying shit here. Anyone that seriously believes they are connected to an argument over the historicity of King David has some mental problems.
@tigranvartanovitch
Do you understand anything about reality? You don't get anywhere in a debate by being cryptic.