"Maybe Celestia just doesn't want gods that think too much." This is so right because I'm of the firm belief that Makoto and Guizhong figured out the truth behind Celestia and were killed for it, using the Cataclysm/Archon War as a cover-up. Makoto worked with the God of Time, someone that fought when Celestia invaded, so she was bound to find out. And Guizhong somehow found out as well and was going to impart that knowledge to Zhongli, hence her giving him the dumbbell to unlock before obtaining that knowledge. But realising the consequences of knowing too much, Guizhong tells Zhongli to forget about it with her dying breath - Guizhong's way of protecting Zhongli. Two gods that were probably the smartest out of all known gods are both dead. That is no mere coincidence.
Well, the previous dendro archon may also have known truths about celestia that they aren't supposed to have, because he died in khanrieah just like guizhong and makoto, but can't wait to watch how that unfolds in Sumeru
@@solaris9244 Nah they’re different wars lol. The Archon War happened around 3000-2500(?) years ago and was the period when the original seven archons rose, whereas the Cataclysm (aka the Khaenri’ah incident) is only 500 years ago.
Another thing I wanted to add on about Venti and Dvalin’s situation. From the Webtoon it is shown that Venti doesn’t have control when he does or does not show up. It is when the people of Mond need him (I think Istaroth plays a massive role in this). He has no awareness of how much time passed when he was last seen and with his dialogue with Vanessa and interactions within mond.
@@pranavraaj3435 Maybe he meditates in his area of conciousness? Just doesn’t need a medium (like it’s Mussou Isshin for Ei) and because of that he doesn’t have the sense of time or control when he appears back? Or Istaroth is involved again, that girl… (goddess of time, Venti’s companion and also a patron of Mond)
I don't think it was ever explained like this, in fact if he appears when the people of mond need him, he would have appeared far earlier, what I think based on the events of the game Venti needs to rest so he can recuperate and get his power back, because that's what happened after he fought Durin.
i think we're gonna go full circle and go back to mondstadt before going to khaenri'ah. my theory is that celestia indirectly controls venti in a manner to limit him and keep him in line as he is, well, the god of freedom. this little shit is too sussy to not be hiding something
@@naboume466 It's very strange but it feels that unless we know that something will make a huge change, Venti won't be triggered to wake up. He woke up when Vanessa got involved, then woke up after something huge happened in Monstadt, then woke up right in the moment Traveler awoken
Although I agree, my perspective on it is *slightly* different. I think it's less about 'being able to move on', since that itself isn't very 'eternal'. Rather I consider it to be something like 'what stays with us even though growth and change'. Like Ei said herself about ambitions for example, they are not eternal, because they change or get fulfilled. However, humans' will to constantly form new ambitions *is* eternal. I think that the difference in Makoto and Ei, in terms of their ideas of eternity. Is that Ei was very 'literal' or 'surface level' with her thinking on things, she'd spent all her time simply training to fight, battle, protect, to win. Her style of living didn't leave much room for deeper thinking/consideration. In a battle, things are very straight forward, you 'act' and 'react'. Thus, the only 'eternity' Ei could see at the time was the most 'surface level' one, of *literally* keeping things from changing in any way. Makoto, on the other hand, spending more time in peace and contemplation, being more studied (assumedly, given her intelligence), and spending more time with people. Her perspective on things were more abstract, she saw that even behind a surface level change, there lies something deeper that remains eternally true across individuals.
@@CuddleCuttlefish In other word, the desire to keep growing and changing, thus repeating the cycle of fulfilling ambition and creating the new one once their previous ambition has been fulfilled, right?
When I think of Ei and Makoto's forms of Eternity, I think of poetry. - For Makoto, the part of the poem that's worth sustaining is the poem's structure, like rhyme scheme and syllable count, as well as its themes. The words can change, but the underlying pattern and meaning remain the same, giving the poem purpose and allowing it to take form without being a meaningless and chaotic string of words. But the words themselves are still allowed to change, and thus the poem doesn't repeat itself. She cherishes eternity not as the end-all-be-all, but as a component that works in tandem with transience to create a greater whole. - For Ei, the part of the poem worth preserving was the words. She wanted the poem to stop producing new words and to repeat itself into infinity, regardless of what lines could have come next. Eternity to her wasn't meant to work in tandem with transience, but to subsume it. Transience causes chaos and destroys the past, and rather than choosing which parts were important to preserve she chose to preserve as much as possible and keep things from changing. As a result, she also kept the poem from being poetic; just as her unmoving Eternity was joyless and stark. I don't know what Ei's new views on Eternity are, only that she's chosen to abandon her old ways. But I look forward to seeing her new views take shape.
I think it's like this: For Makoto, Eternity is transparent. Something inherited for eternity like culture, stories and memories. While Ei's Eternity is physical. She values stillness. If there's no changes, it will last forever.
@@krasusable That's an excellent way of putting it. Makoto will replace the pieces and repair the ship, even if no piece remains the same. As long as it's continues to function, it's the same ship. But Ei will maintain the pieces, moor the ship to prevent wear and tear, and try to fight against rot and the wear of time itself. She sets an impossible task, and in trying to achieve it the ship never sails and thus can hardly be called a ship anymore, even if it's physically the same ship.
"Losing a Vision makes one lose their Ambition. (ignore Itto for now.) Ah yes. The One and Oni Itto. The Extraordinary Exception to the Rule. Proof of his Greatness.
I really love Ei and this quest. Anne Yatco's voice over is top notch I always get goosebumps whenever I hear her lines specially this line, "And I am she who promised a dream to her subjects...Raiden Ei." paired with the glowing Eyes, (insert Chef's kiss).
This is a mere speculation, but now I think I know WHY the Sustainer of the Heavenly Principles prevented the Traveller siblings from leaving Teyvat. Since the siblings are not bound by the rules, contract or any form of limitation within Teyvat's place, and are not affected by erosion, adding the fact that they witnessed the Calamity, this could be a issue for Celestia's secrets, meaning that those siblings have a MEMORY of what they had seen and experienced. Therefore, Celestia sent the Sustainer to prevent them from escaping, a.k.a avoiding form of information leak --- and by sealing their original powers and part of their memories with it. However, is revealed during the "We Will Be Reunited" Quest, that the Traveller still posses memories of Khaenri'ah, therefore Celestia failed. And with this knowledge, now the Sustainer's quote about arrogation of mankind have sense. She is basically accusing the Travellers of taking the memories of the Calamity ( of what they had seen ) and since they aren't from this world, they must be punished. Another think to take account that the Traveller's clothes posses some of Khaenri'ah symbols --- and as well, it was showed during the Travial demo, that the siblings did visited Khaenri'ah at some point.
its confirmed they did visit Khaenri'ah bacause in Chasm Archon quest with Dainsleif, the flower on Lumine's hair turns out to be a flower from Khaenri'ah
Also, could this be why makoto was killed? she never sharpened her blade or indulged in any fighting experience, but she went to khaenri’ah herself and she witnessed things, she as an ARCHON probably wasn’t supposed to see. makoto had a good heart as well.
What if the Gnosis are the original power of the Traveler which were divided and given to the Archons to use I know this theory doesn’t make sense but wanted to say it 🙂
I think Ei & Makoto are both God of Eternity. For Makoto, Eternity is transparent. Something inherited for eternity like culture, stories and memories. While Ei's Eternity is physical. She values stillness. If there's no changes, it will last forever.
I'd like to point out that till now all archons seem to be deeply connected to time. As Albedo states: Earth is the acumulated time of being, and Rex Lapis s memory is what he is renowned for. He is the longest living archon and remembers everything clear as day. Also in Azdaha s quest it was revealed to us that Core Lapis ( his sihnature stone) realy does store memories. And it is not unlikely that Zhongli can acces these memoriues just as Azdaha did.
I would also like you to know that it was shown in the recent archon quest that Zhongli is remembered as something truly astonishing while in fact he is not. He himself claimed that lot of the stories about him are false and that he isn't the strongest archon. Where as Ei has now truly ascended to another level ( the video you just saw is the evidence ) . Despite not having a gnosis all those years she still possessed powers truly incomprehensible . And Mihoyo developers have a track record of making Raiden overpowered . We can start to see that a little in Genshin. The biggest thing and also the most mysterious being that the space around inazuma is not the same as the rest of teyvat. Raiden has changed the space there . This is evident by the fact that you cannot see Celestia from Inazuma. this just shows how angry ei is about celestia and the higher gods. eventually after the inevitable gaccha power creep we will get ascended versions of archons ( its logical since we have seen that happen in Honkai where some characters have multiple versions with different "elements" ( elements in honkai are different ) and then finally we have herrschers . Raiden Mei being the most powerful to date ( she was recently powercrept but the new weapon has brought her back on on of the top characters and lore wise as well ) . There was also a leak of the map and we can see the influence that celestia is going to have later on. I am both excited and curious to see where the archons will go moving forward .
@@skuskulevi pretty much yes. The stones are like a database. They store past events. Azdaha even said some stones have a better memory than others, with core lapis being the best in terms of memory storage.
@@purple66666 Curiously enough, some crystals can in fact store data. There was a special disk made of some form of crystal quite recently that can theoretically store data for much longer than even HDDs.
@@manas4288 it's kinda misleading that a lot of people claim Zhongli is the strongest archon despite the only evidence was him killing and sealing many gods and yet they didn't even consider what Ei did back in the archon war which is basically the same but unlike Zhongli that is debatable that he is the strongest, Ei proved it when she's battling the puppet for thousands of years. Edit: Zhongli explicitly shows how social works in Liyue, lots of thing exaggerated despite not being the truth.
She has one of the most well written stories in Genshin. Her character has many layers of detail, complexity and depth which shows while you play the game. It's not that her story has not been done before but it was played out in a very unique way that fits her perfectly and it was supported with a plethora of other characters which added even greater meaning to her vision of eternity. Very well done video.
my theory was ei and makoto has always been twin archons. they are considered as one similar to how electricity is considered as one but has two charges positive and negative. so when makoto died, only the positive charge died. the negative charge which is Ei remained. the only difference is that Makoto was the acting archon. Ei was just someone in the shadows. so when makoto died, Ei took the spotlight as the acting archon.
16:58 i believe somewhere i read that dvalin was gradually getting corrupted after his fight with durin, which was a corrupted dragon itself. hence, dvalin's senses were dulled over time. to top it off, the abyss order took advantage of dvalin's weak state of mind to turn his back against mondstadt and barbatos, by whispering false claims about barbatos forsaking dvalin, which in turn the traveler arrives in mondstadt and stops dvalin's (stormterror's) threat.
7:37 (ignore Itto for now) As it's been said, "ambitions" are temporary, but the thing behind them is eternal: "dreams" or "willpower" And Itto has a lot of will, that's why he can stay so hot-blooded despite losing his vision
"It takes Ei more than thousands of years to finally understand her sister's dream" " 500 years of meditation in the Plane of Euthymia after Cataclysm, and thousands of years of continuous battle with the puppet in Makoto's realm of consciousness" Me: So in short, Ei is just a bit of a slow learner 🤔
She is just stubborn and the past events manipulated he belief or made it stronger. If she is no brainer she would never reach or peak her martial arts.
That's why she is Archon of eternity. She's the god because she's the most stubborn in all Teyvat. Similar to Makoto who is also stubborn with her definition of eternity. Yet, they are perfect side by side. If Ei is not stubborn, then she'd better be the Anemo Archon, which is always carefree. There's this personality test about stubborn person. It's not that they are slow learners, only untill their 'logic' be surpassed, do they give up on their ideal, because they tend to see 'fact and data' rather than 'imagination' and make the best output rationally. We can see people like this have jobs as 'Accountant', 'banker', or things related to logical-matematic. They are usually the top in the class regarding academic and mostly the left brain function the best.
8:30 Makoto did tell Ei later that there was something in Khaenri'ah that she and the other Archons "can't ignore" Your guess that "maybe Makoto didn't tell Ei to protect her" is good, but I have another thought: Makoto wasn't as good of a fighter as Ei, and after Makoto became Archon it was Ei who was in charge of battles But... why, then, did Makoto go to Khaenri'ah, when the situation over there was likely way worse than in Inazuma? Why not sending Ei there who's likely more capable? The way Makoto phrases it sounds kinda sus: I doubt she would go to Khaenri'ah willingly, unless... she was made to go there against her will. Likely partly because she's officially an Archon, and the other ones also came there for similar reasons Now, as for why/how exactly Makoto was dead... Ei only said it had something to do with "Heavenly Principles". Could it be that in Khaenri'ah, Heavenly Principles mandated something to be done by the Archons, but Makoto refused, and she died as a result? Could it be that she simply was killed by the enemy forces because she wasn't that strong? I have no certainty over this, only guesses
Maybe it's something similar like what Dr. Strange did in Infinity War, that "this scene" needs to happen in order to win against Thanos like what Makoto did in order to free from Heavenly Principles's clutches
33:00 I'm shocked to see this. I read a comment saying that "In my opinion, Ei and Makoto are the most powerful archons." I can't remember word-by-word but they mentioned how Ei and Makoto seem to complement each other, by combat and how mature Makoto's thinking's are. I then had the thought that it seemed similar to Guizhong and Zhongli's partnership since Guizhong herself said that, she is the brains to Zhongli's brawns. If I'm being honest, I noticed a lot of parallels of Makoto & Ei to Guizhong & Zhongli. When Makoto emerged from the blade, I thought "Will this happen to the stone dumbbell if Zhongli solves it?" It might be because I'm obsessed with Guili and can't help but connect everything to it, but I don't really think I'm going insane with this little parallels.
In lore Ei is the actual equivalent of Zhongli. Zhongli was the father of martial arts for the main continent, Ei was the mother of all Inazuman martial arts, she is a master with every weapon used in Inazuma. Ei have only grown stronger and stronger ever since the Archon wars. Zhongli was already ludicrously powerful, but he barely changed since the archon war, he obtained the abilty to shape space by understanding his Gnosis, and taught that power to his adepti, but that was literally the only thing he got. There is no mention on physical or magical achievements that he couldn't already do before the Gnosis. Anyway, I think you hit the nail right in the head, there is indeed some form of symbolism between Inazuma and Liyue having gods that share so many traits.
I would disagree with your point at 25:39. That line could also be interpreted as the Heavenly Principles are against anybody who attempts to change time and space itself (the Sacred Sakura was planted in the past).
"Free from the heavenly principle's clutches" I think this may also be one of the reasons why we can't see Celestia in Inazuma. And that only happened when the Sacred Sakura was planted in Inazuma after she went to Khaenriah, idk. Also, I really love the relationship of the Raiden twins; despite being opposites, they are both ready to sacrifice themselves for the sake of each other. And I am so much appreciative and amazed by Ei's char growth in the story, I feel like a proud mom for her. Everyone too, I know this would've been impossible if it weren't for the combined efforts of all those who were involved. [Some info here, I find questionable, but not everything is actually sure for now. So let's just wait for future juicy info.]
Thank you cat for your hard work. Watched your entire video because the world buildings in genshin are so big and this help me a lot for understanding more.
Another thing. Ei said that after she returned from Makoto's realm of consciousness, she saw the sacred sakura for the first time. When she asked others, they said it existed for as long as they could remember. This MAYBE was caused by rukhadevata.
I gotta say I really like these type of videos. Even tho I've never really been intersted in the lore of Genshin, the delivery in your videos really makes me engage into theorising. Plus it's super reallaxing with that background music😊
nope, Celestia knows about Ei, the thing about the electro achon dying is that only the people didn't know that the original electro archon died (the seven archons and celestia knows), and nope Ei can use the knosis just that it didn't work well for her experiments, also Ei is already recognize as the Electro archon by Celestia after makoto died
For a long time Ei had been body double for Makoto. Adding to that, Inazuma (and maybe the rest of the 7 countries, except gods) didn't discern the 2; they were both the one and oni Raiden Shogun. Who gives a fuk (let alone aware) that Makoto got KIA when there's a shadow thunder???
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31:21 Remind me that, since there is theory about that Inazuma statue is actually Istaroth, that may explain why the statue is very similar to Venti's I mean Eye closed Wear an hoodie Wings (literally the Anemo symbol)
While I agree with everything....to think that the Shogun puppet can kill Ei anytime....I don't think that's true. The fight was between the strengths of their will and since the Shogun is designed to have a stronger and immovable will, Ei had match and even overcome that willpower, she does so thinking about the traveller and the dreams of the people of Inazuma, that's what helps her preserve and win. As for power, it should be stated that they are similar but till that point Ei couldnt use the full power of Mussou Isshin, which she finally unleashed at the end of the fight. So right now, she is more powerful than she ever was in the past.
Also the biggest reason for why Ei is more powerful is that she literally hasn't lost a single time against the puppet in their battle. Still, gods can die so the statement "the Shogun puppet can kill Ei" remains true but the other way around would also be true; Ei can kill the puppet. But she didn't because of any/all of these reasons: 1) that would prove nothing other than their power comparison. 2) the fight was about the strength of will, to show that they won't give up. 3) the puppet is her own creation and is a reflection of herself 4) killing it would contradict her newfound beliefs which emphasizes the importance of life and ambition 5) automatic workforce
As always, CatWithBlueHat theories make me feel motivated and excited to continue to play Genshin Impact. The lore is just so interesting (and complicated for my simple mind. :D)
18:55 So basically... Vision: ask and we shalt help ye God of Time(?): ask and ye shalt receive Both cases involve strong ambitions and wishes, but with different outcomes 19:06 Gotta add that the "Musou" in "Musou no Hitotachi" and "Musou Isshin" means "dreams"
26:57 could it be because the planting of sacred sakura was done ‘inside’ the consciousness of makoto and so there maybe wasn’t any way of celestia knowing that?
I don't know how other felt but when I reach the Ei vs Puppet fight, I immediately play Last Stardust and Emiya theme from Fate/Stay Night Unlimited Blade Works.
25:30 Glad I'm not the only one that noticed Makoto referencing Scaramouche I think it's just meant to show how they perceive the ideals of eternity tho Scaramouche was simply mocking Ei about her incomplete understanding of eternity because the first part of the line is similar, meaning that Ei only understood that as eternity - then Mouche adds what would happen after that (each moment within becomes all the more fragile) While Makoto's 2nd part of the line says "dreams illuminate each moment within" - this is what completes her idea of eternity
In 33:25 i think it fits more to say that maybe celestia doesnt want gods that know too much to be kept alive as they pose as a potential threat to their "Heavenly Principles"
thanks for always uploading interesting videos! some of these honestly don't fit that much and look like mere speculations but regardless it's interesting to see how the others understand the lore
It is interesting that, in the voice lines, Ei didn't like Venti (the Anemo Archon) that much, but now... they seem more and more connected in a way or another.
I have a little bit of a personal theory surrounding Celestia where once upon a time there was original rulers and gods, including istaroth. Then the current rulers somehow came here and set up shop in Celestia as rulers by defeating the previous gods. I believe some of the gods fled, (istaroth again) and have their own ways of hiding from current prying eyes. Perhaps a god uses the ley lines as their way of hiding or connecting with the world and this is why the gods hate the ley lines so much.
26:12 I got the feeling that since Celestia is in the sky and Ley Lines are in the earth, this means Celestia doesn't have ways to effectively oppose the ley lines The best they can do is to call down those "nukes" (nails) Ley Lines are confirmed to contain memories of the past. So Celestia must've hated them because: 1. it's against the "heavenly principles" that everything must succumb to change and erosion over time 2. Ley Lines may contain the truth of what happened in the past (or better yet, "the truth of this world") that Celestia doesn't want anyone to find out Ley Lines are plants. So do you think Dendro - and its Archon - can have some connection to them?
5:04 Pretty sure that all the monsters that came to Inazuma 500 years ago are also from Khaenri'ah Makoto was just going there to fight at the source of the monsters along with the other archons, while Saiguu defended the land
Im not sure if it was right to interpret that Ei couldnt use the gnosis at its entirety. I think gnosis worked just fine for Ei, but she didnt see why she should use it. There's still a possibility that Makoto herself didn't use it or stopped using it exactly likr the other archons weve seen have just givin it away almost on purpose.. And we still know nothing about the gnosis. Perhaps gnosis' use has been fulfilled or they refused to use it at some point, which hinting evil power not good for humans? Ei couldnt manifest the gnosis' energy to power a doll up. It was merely a failed experience. Thus maybe the experiment itself wasnt sufficient to realize which had nothing to do with gnosis. Seeing no other need for the gnosis, Ei too discarded it. Then she found the if not more perfect tech to create scara and the perfection copy of an Archon. The puppet is a copy for the whole archon, not Makoto's consciousness but Ei's, seeing at the puppet warrior skill. Suggesting it is safe to say both Makoto and Ei were the Archon. The gnosis might be only one, but both were the legit Archon of Eternity. They only had different job. One is a warrior One is to govern. People of Teyvat generally may not know, and some of other Archons may not br aware of the two, but surely after both successfully bring Inazuma to the closest to Heavenly Principle whatever that means, people in the need to know, including Celestia must have recognized Ei too, even if not as the gnosis bearer. Thus I argue the fact no one knows about Ei, including celestia, might be a false statement. We knew Kitsune Saiguu went after Makoto to be by her side cuz shes her familiar, then I assume she came back per Makoto's plans/wishes/commands. Almost like a tag team between saiguu and ei, cuz Ei left Inazuma to Saiguu and found Makoto dead, then came back with Makoto's consciousness to find Saiguu also dead. My point is Makoto didnt bring Ei to Khaenriah because of something else, either it involved fate, our abyss sibling, Istaroth, freeing Inazuma from thr heavenly principles or all of them...but it has nothing to do with keeping Ei's existence a secret.
"Seeing no other need for the gnosis, Ei too discarded it. Then she found the if not more perfect tech to create scara" Just a small correction: Your wording implies Scara was made AFTER she gave the gnosis away when Scaramouche is THE prototype. He was the very first thing Ei made. Many many different attempts and versions were made between him and the final product: the Shogun. Scaramouche was made to hold the gnosis, but seeing his emotions, his tears, meant he was susceptible to change. He was SO human that Ei couldn't kill him, which leads me to belive he's more like Albedo. Ei made him a home (Shakkei pavilion) and kept him there for what was suppose to be an eternal slumber. That's the reason Scaramouche see's the gnosis as his heart, his reason for being. It's also why he himself says he's "a human that surpasses all others (pale flame set)" Ei could not find a better way to use the gnosis AFTER him, so gave it to Miko. This is from the Husk of Opulent Dreams artifact set.
I also think that the reason why Makoto didn't send Ei to Khaenriah is because she forseen that even being as powerful as god may die up there. Ei, in her nature, was a warrior as oposite to other gods that fought in Archon's War, so she would be in the middle of all the hell = most likely to die. And if Ei died, Makoto wouldn't be able to protect Inazuma - she was not a fighter. So she went to Khaenriah, knowing that she may die and made backup plan, to buy Ei some time so she may grow up to become true leader.
I agree on most part, but just for the "Intuition", The Yae "intuition" doesn't really go that far, if she has that kinda future-telling, she doesn't have the need to fear/anxiety about Ei when traveler wanna came back to save her within the realm. or for self serving purposes (as she should, egoistic queen) the incantation book will not have the chance to booming, as she could use that talent to know Yae publishing house future possible threat, and become invincible. as for the saving traveler from scara, I believe there's another reason behind it.
I believe that she can see through the roots of the sacred sakura, that’s why while talking to scara, the camera briefly shows some roots that were in the factory
I think the archons were instructed to destroy khaenhria by the celestia as that place was more advanced than tevyat and has no archon (no celestial control).that's why when we ask zhongli about cataclysm,he says he was contracted to say nothing about it.i think the archons were instructed to say nothing after the attack.
Well, Zhongli was contracted to be silence about it. Not really sure about Venti, but perhaps he simply dont want to talk about it. Maybe something to do with the resulting animosity between him and Tsaritsa, but who knows.
a guess: did ei have a physical form again afterplanting the sakura tree in makoto's realm of consciousness, makoto said something like "the sacred sakura will bloom and will finally be free from the clutches of the heavenly principles"
The lines which are said in the last part make me consider that Makoto, Guizhong, and the previous Dendro archon, are all smart gods and yet all of them died. This makes Celestia seems to be the most anti-nerd god I've ever seen.
@Harry Shade if I remember correctly, Ei sacrificed her body so that Makoto can ascend to Celestia since Archon needs to rule a country and Ei didn't want to do it, means Ei has the quality of an Archon. Maybe, originally, Celestia wanted Ei to become the Archon instead. So, basically it's Ei's body which is the Archon but with Makoto's consciousness. Then, both are Archon. Thunder can't happen with only the + energy. It needs + and - to create lightning. The + is Makoto and the - is Ei. Regarding Ei could not use gnosis is because the + is died to create energy. It'd be the same with Ei died instead. Makoto probably won't be able to use gnosis without Ei alive. Another theory could be, after Makoto died, Ei cuts ties with Celestia, that's why she can't use the gnosis. Originally, I think gnosis is not some source of power, but a tracking device and phone between Celestia and Gods. Cutting ties means cutting the cable to communicate, resulting to the unusable gnosis. Even after cutting ties with Celestia, Ei is still the Archon. Ei knew doing that might anger Celestia, so that she create the barrier around Inazuma so that Inazuma won't become the next Khaenriah. For someone who thinks rationally, it's the best choice. And about hiding inside Raiden, it's because she doesn't want to face Corrosion. Having corrosion means getting weak, leading her to not be able to defend Inazuma and disappointing her sister's will. Basically, it's crystal clear that's what hoyoverse intend to tell us about Ei. But, the executions aren't that clear leading to the misunderstanding in the air, even up till now. I hope hoyoverse get a better writing in the next Archons story quests to not leading the community fighting over a character.
I think the situation of the death of archons in kheanri'ah was that Makoto's death was not announced to fool Celestia and the dendro archon's death was to decieve celestia
Every thing about Ei and inazuma in general is unique, i never got this feelings in mondstand or liyue, inazuma stories are deep and well written, the character development of Ei is just awesome
I wonder what will happen when _Ei completely Awakens_. That will be interesting to see. Makoto said: ✨ _"When you are ready to awakens..."_ ✨ What calamity will she bring once that happens? I can't imagine. A battle between Ei and The Unknown God. That would be insane.
Could you research a theory about Paimon and teleport waypoints? (What if she previously placed those objects as she traveled the world, although now she doesn't remember...)Locations generally require climbing (or floating/flying) ability. the symbol of the base, the colors, etc.She offered to be a guide, so it is likely that she has been there (although she have amnesia, how rare; or nobody remembers her, probably not in that appearance)she can teleport because she is with the traveler or on her own?at least it is clear that they need to be in contact with one to go to another.
In the quest Sakura Aboration(That might be wrong) A shrine maiden tells the traveller that yea Miko sent her because the sakura trees on kannazuka were losing their strength. Later, she accidentally says, "The sakura trees on kannazuka and Narukami are similar. If they are healthy they'll keep what's hidden underneath down there. I shouldn't have said that, please don't tell Miko." So it seems that the Sacred sakura on narukami Keeps Makoto's spirit sealed, but for kannazuka it's not known.
I've always wondered this too. There seems to be build up of Snake blood on the western side of Kanazuka so maybe that has something to do with it? Yae does mention in the Husk of Opulent Dreams artifact set that she would send help to Kannazuka per Scaramouche's request after Nagamasa beheaded Katsuragi.
It's been 2 years since this video was released -- With the current standing of things and lore's progress, there are many changes I've seen so far. Makoto's really the brain and know's progress but incapable of protecting INAZUMA in the longer run. Her Death was the most useful Character Development for Ei to understand the Everlasting Eternity. Everlasting Eternity doesn't necessarily to stop the time, but rather the endless growth for Inazuma. THUS, the seed she brought means "Consciousness and Maturity" that Ei would definitely reach. The foxes is there for them to see the growth of Inazuma's [Familiar's way of remembering times]. The seed becoming a Tree means Eternal Growth of the Land it serves. [INAZUMA] Ei standing and planting seeds means her deeper understanding. These 3 things are far more important over the rules of the Heavenly Principles, thus making the petal [ITEM] and its result already beyond the reach of the gods. FOR US TRAVELERS WHO WITNESSES AND TRAVERSES TEYVAT, WE ARE NOT BOUND BY FATE OF THIS LAND. I'm glad that we all see each other AT THE END OF OUR JOURNEY.
Ei is implied to be much stronger than Makoto in terms of power, even though Makoto is the one holding the gnosis. She was the warrior and would have supposedly survived if she was the one that went to Khaenri'ah. Does this mean that gnoses do not actually amplify one's powers? Case in point being the Archons still being able to use their elemental powers despite not having their gnoses any more. So what does Scaramouche hope to achieve by running away with the Electro Gnosis. Or what does the Tsaritsa hope to achieve by collecting all the 7 gnoses?
Scaramouche wants his heart. Thats literally just about it. The gnosis is his heart to him and he is not fully himself without it. Its got nothing to do with evil intents outside of maybe still wanting to "Ascend to godhood" but even then: He was tossed out for being too "fraile" and it might just be to prove himself to Ei that he is capable and worthy. But obviously she's changed from the mindset as seen from this video.
13:08 "but what Inazuma needs more than a warrior is someone like Makoto" Essentially... Ei eventually would have to fit in Makoto's shoes, as a proper leader and god of Inazuma, and so she has to think as more than just a warrior
the super sad feelings i got whenever the part where the samurai felt joyful seeing shogun around them was played.. we could really feel the despair coming from them. and even so, they still believe raiden will protect them.
10:23 "the difference between them was that Makoto's eternity was about transient dreams" That's why I believe her ideal is still "Transience" And I do believe, the "quest script" (where we see Makoto being said to believe in "transience") is a more reliable source of lore than people's quotes or in game books
Now that I think about it... The puppet is such a cheat code for Ei,.not only is it as strong as an Archon, she can also choose to trap people within her Plane, does not get affected by erosion, and could probably be stronger than Ei herself. Now imagine this, you decide to oppose Ei, and the situation is dire enough that Ei just doesn't suddenly care about honor anymore and decides to fight with everything she's got. She pulls you in the domain where we fight the puppet in the story quest and have two Eis exist at the same time. A 2v1 vs Ei and the Shogun is unfair.
Ei right now is stronger cuz awakened musou isshin. Even shogun said it has the power that beyond the limits of her understanding and she beat the shogun because of that.
Ei can use gnosis she just don’t want to use it bc she wants cut tie with celestia, she was failed use modified into a energy supply device, but no matter what she did, but her techniques had no effect on the Gnosis at all, not because she can’t use it. also I think celestia actually knows ei had replaced mokoto but they just ignored it bc it doesn’t really a problem for them like Khaenri'ah does
Zhongli and venti are true gigachads not only they protect their respective nations from celestia they also kinda protects others as well (dendro archon theory and venti having close connections to inazuma )
I really hope that people would stop shitting on Raiden Shogun's archon quest anymore. her quest is on par with ZhongLi and Venti and any other archons. they all have their struggles and we should respect their sacrifices
I do wonder how powerful post second quest Ei is compared to other Archon, because from the look of it the only archons that can contend with Ei for the title of the strongest Archon is either Murata the pyro Archon since she is the god of war iirc or the cyro Archon the Tsaritsa. As for John Lee he is too old
Teyvat might fall into darkness when the travellers restore Khaenri'ah and when all of Teyvat had finally learnt the truth and decided to aid the Travellers in the quest of toppling Celestia
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"Maybe Celestia just doesn't want gods that think too much."
This is so right because I'm of the firm belief that Makoto and Guizhong figured out the truth behind Celestia and were killed for it, using the Cataclysm/Archon War as a cover-up.
Makoto worked with the God of Time, someone that fought when Celestia invaded, so she was bound to find out. And Guizhong somehow found out as well and was going to impart that knowledge to Zhongli, hence her giving him the dumbbell to unlock before obtaining that knowledge. But realising the consequences of knowing too much, Guizhong tells Zhongli to forget about it with her dying breath - Guizhong's way of protecting Zhongli.
Two gods that were probably the smartest out of all known gods are both dead. That is no mere coincidence.
Well, the previous dendro archon may also have known truths about celestia that they aren't supposed to have, because he died in khanrieah just like guizhong and makoto, but can't wait to watch how that unfolds in Sumeru
@@DetectivThomas guizhong died in the archon war tho, not khaenri'ah
@@usrop9099 yeah the the speculation for the reason remains the same
@@usrop9099 I am in confusion. I thought the war from 500 years ago in Khaenri'ah is also the archon war?
@@solaris9244 Nah they’re different wars lol. The Archon War happened around 3000-2500(?) years ago and was the period when the original seven archons rose, whereas the Cataclysm (aka the Khaenri’ah incident) is only 500 years ago.
Another thing I wanted to add on about Venti and Dvalin’s situation. From the Webtoon it is shown that Venti doesn’t have control when he does or does not show up. It is when the people of Mond need him (I think Istaroth plays a massive role in this). He has no awareness of how much time passed when he was last seen and with his dialogue with Vanessa and interactions within mond.
I always wonder where did he go and doesn't shows up in a millennia
@@pranavraaj3435 Maybe he meditates in his area of conciousness? Just doesn’t need a medium (like it’s Mussou Isshin for Ei) and because of that he doesn’t have the sense of time or control when he appears back? Or Istaroth is involved again, that girl… (goddess of time, Venti’s companion and also a patron of Mond)
I don't think it was ever explained like this, in fact if he appears when the people of mond need him, he would have appeared far earlier, what I think based on the events of the game Venti needs to rest so he can recuperate and get his power back, because that's what happened after he fought Durin.
i think we're gonna go full circle and go back to mondstadt before going to khaenri'ah. my theory is that celestia indirectly controls venti in a manner to limit him and keep him in line as he is, well, the god of freedom. this little shit is too sussy to not be hiding something
@@naboume466 It's very strange but it feels that unless we know that something will make a huge change, Venti won't be triggered to wake up. He woke up when Vanessa got involved, then woke up after something huge happened in Monstadt, then woke up right in the moment Traveler awoken
Ei has one of the best VA performances in the game. I didn't love Raiden until completing her story quest and hearing her lore voicelines. Such heart.
Anne Yatco is incredible
I love Anne Yatco, she's also a very personable person too!
Matt Mittelman is another favorite (Itto's VA)
Me too but Miyuki Sawashiro sold me greatly, her voice contrast between Ei and the puppet is more significant in this quest.
ikr Anne is the best 😩
@@janidesuneee760 beidou main same lol
"true eternity", I think in Ei's case, it means to be able to move on, to "grow", despite what might be different after the growth.
Like a tree
To understand that the only constant (eternal) in life is change (growth)..
Although I agree, my perspective on it is *slightly* different. I think it's less about 'being able to move on', since that itself isn't very 'eternal'. Rather I consider it to be something like 'what stays with us even though growth and change'. Like Ei said herself about ambitions for example, they are not eternal, because they change or get fulfilled. However, humans' will to constantly form new ambitions *is* eternal.
I think that the difference in Makoto and Ei, in terms of their ideas of eternity. Is that Ei was very 'literal' or 'surface level' with her thinking on things, she'd spent all her time simply training to fight, battle, protect, to win. Her style of living didn't leave much room for deeper thinking/consideration. In a battle, things are very straight forward, you 'act' and 'react'. Thus, the only 'eternity' Ei could see at the time was the most 'surface level' one, of *literally* keeping things from changing in any way. Makoto, on the other hand, spending more time in peace and contemplation, being more studied (assumedly, given her intelligence), and spending more time with people. Her perspective on things were more abstract, she saw that even behind a surface level change, there lies something deeper that remains eternally true across individuals.
@@CuddleCuttlefish In other word, the desire to keep growing and changing, thus repeating the cycle of fulfilling ambition and creating the new one once their previous ambition has been fulfilled, right?
@@evelynkurniadi3474 The "Eternity of Transience"
When I think of Ei and Makoto's forms of Eternity, I think of poetry.
- For Makoto, the part of the poem that's worth sustaining is the poem's structure, like rhyme scheme and syllable count, as well as its themes. The words can change, but the underlying pattern and meaning remain the same, giving the poem purpose and allowing it to take form without being a meaningless and chaotic string of words. But the words themselves are still allowed to change, and thus the poem doesn't repeat itself. She cherishes eternity not as the end-all-be-all, but as a component that works in tandem with transience to create a greater whole.
- For Ei, the part of the poem worth preserving was the words. She wanted the poem to stop producing new words and to repeat itself into infinity, regardless of what lines could have come next. Eternity to her wasn't meant to work in tandem with transience, but to subsume it. Transience causes chaos and destroys the past, and rather than choosing which parts were important to preserve she chose to preserve as much as possible and keep things from changing. As a result, she also kept the poem from being poetic; just as her unmoving Eternity was joyless and stark.
I don't know what Ei's new views on Eternity are, only that she's chosen to abandon her old ways. But I look forward to seeing her new views take shape.
Ei's current views are basically Makoto's views since Ei said that she wants to rule like her.
Poetry huh
:happy venti noises
I think it's like this:
For Makoto, Eternity is transparent. Something inherited for eternity like culture, stories and memories.
While Ei's Eternity is physical. She values stillness. If there's no changes, it will last forever.
To put it simply, Makoto's view of eternity is basically the Ship of Theseus or smth?
@@krasusable That's an excellent way of putting it. Makoto will replace the pieces and repair the ship, even if no piece remains the same. As long as it's continues to function, it's the same ship.
But Ei will maintain the pieces, moor the ship to prevent wear and tear, and try to fight against rot and the wear of time itself. She sets an impossible task, and in trying to achieve it the ship never sails and thus can hardly be called a ship anymore, even if it's physically the same ship.
"Losing a Vision makes one lose their Ambition. (ignore Itto for now.)
Ah yes. The One and Oni Itto. The Extraordinary Exception to the Rule. Proof of his Greatness.
Exception.... enemy of eternity 😈
I think that's because he constantly generates new ambition
@@nhatnamo4645 He just built different
Maybe it’s an youkai thing, we never see any other youkai loose their vision so we don’t really know
@@genesisofthebetween Maybe its not a yokai thing cause we haven't seen any other yokai loose their vision, so we don't really know.
I really love Ei and this quest. Anne Yatco's voice over is top notch I always get goosebumps whenever I hear her lines specially this line, "And I am she who promised a dream to her subjects...Raiden Ei." paired with the glowing Eyes, (insert Chef's kiss).
This is a mere speculation, but now I think I know WHY the Sustainer of the Heavenly Principles prevented the Traveller siblings from leaving Teyvat. Since the siblings are not bound by the rules, contract or any form of limitation within Teyvat's place, and are not affected by erosion, adding the fact that they witnessed the Calamity, this could be a issue for Celestia's secrets, meaning that those siblings have a MEMORY of what they had seen and experienced.
Therefore, Celestia sent the Sustainer to prevent them from escaping, a.k.a avoiding form of information leak --- and by sealing their original powers and part of their memories with it. However, is revealed during the "We Will Be Reunited" Quest, that the Traveller still posses memories of Khaenri'ah, therefore Celestia failed.
And with this knowledge, now the Sustainer's quote about arrogation of mankind have sense. She is basically accusing the Travellers of taking the memories of the Calamity ( of what they had seen ) and since they aren't from this world, they must be punished.
Another think to take account that the Traveller's clothes posses some of Khaenri'ah symbols --- and as well, it was showed during the Travial demo, that the siblings did visited Khaenri'ah at some point.
its confirmed they did visit Khaenri'ah bacause in Chasm Archon quest with Dainsleif, the flower on Lumine's hair turns out to be a flower from Khaenri'ah
@@eri-lupo Exactly. It was showed on the Travail demo, the two siblings being surrounded by the sea of Inteyvat flowers.
now u just cracked a case bravo! kudos to you.
edit: ik this is a assumption but it makes a lot of sense
Also, could this be why makoto was killed? she never sharpened her blade or indulged in any fighting experience, but she went to khaenri’ah herself and she witnessed things, she as an ARCHON probably wasn’t supposed to see. makoto had a good heart as well.
What if the Gnosis are the original power of the Traveler which were divided and given to the Archons to use
I know this theory doesn’t make sense but wanted to say it 🙂
I think Ei & Makoto are both God of Eternity.
For Makoto, Eternity is transparent. Something inherited for eternity like culture, stories and memories.
While Ei's Eternity is physical. She values stillness. If there's no changes, it will last forever.
all the more proof that Makoto was the brain (transparent eternity) and Ei was the brawn (physical)
@@acegardianarocrat same case with guizhong and zhongli
I'd like to point out that till now all archons seem to be deeply connected to time. As Albedo states: Earth is the acumulated time of being, and Rex Lapis s memory is what he is renowned for. He is the longest living archon and remembers everything clear as day. Also in Azdaha s quest it was revealed to us that Core Lapis ( his sihnature stone) realy does store memories. And it is not unlikely that Zhongli can acces these memoriues just as Azdaha did.
I would also like you to know that it was shown in the recent archon quest that Zhongli is remembered as something truly astonishing while in fact he is not. He himself claimed that lot of the stories about him are false and that he isn't the strongest archon. Where as Ei has now truly ascended to another level ( the video you just saw is the evidence ) . Despite not having a gnosis all those years she still possessed powers truly incomprehensible . And Mihoyo developers have a track record of making Raiden overpowered . We can start to see that a little in Genshin. The biggest thing and also the most mysterious being that the space around inazuma is not the same as the rest of teyvat. Raiden has changed the space there . This is evident by the fact that you cannot see Celestia from Inazuma. this just shows how angry ei is about celestia and the higher gods. eventually after the inevitable gaccha power creep we will get ascended versions of archons ( its logical since we have seen that happen in Honkai where some characters have multiple versions with different "elements" ( elements in honkai are different ) and then finally we have herrschers . Raiden Mei being the most powerful to date ( she was recently powercrept but the new weapon has brought her back on on of the top characters and lore wise as well ) . There was also a leak of the map and we can see the influence that celestia is going to have later on. I am both excited and curious to see where the archons will go moving forward .
So zhongli can "look" at stones and know?
@@skuskulevi pretty much yes. The stones are like a database. They store past events. Azdaha even said some stones have a better memory than others, with core lapis being the best in terms of memory storage.
@@purple66666 Curiously enough, some crystals can in fact store data. There was a special disk made of some form of crystal quite recently that can theoretically store data for much longer than even HDDs.
@@manas4288 it's kinda misleading that a lot of people claim Zhongli is the strongest archon despite the only evidence was him killing and sealing many gods and yet they didn't even consider what Ei did back in the archon war which is basically the same but unlike Zhongli that is debatable that he is the strongest, Ei proved it when she's battling the puppet for thousands of years.
Edit: Zhongli explicitly shows how social works in Liyue, lots of thing exaggerated despite not being the truth.
She has one of the most well written stories in Genshin. Her character has many layers of detail, complexity and depth which shows while you play the game. It's not that her story has not been done before but it was played out in a very unique way that fits her perfectly and it was supported with a plethora of other characters which added even greater meaning to her vision of eternity. Very well done video.
my theory was ei and makoto has always been twin archons. they are considered as one similar to how electricity is considered as one but has two charges positive and negative. so when makoto died, only the positive charge died. the negative charge which is Ei remained. the only difference is that Makoto was the acting archon. Ei was just someone in the shadows. so when makoto died, Ei took the spotlight as the acting archon.
Raidens voice makes me feel goosebumps again. It's so mesmerizing
Anne Yatco was so good in voicing Raiden 💜💜
16:58 i believe somewhere i read that dvalin was gradually getting corrupted after his fight with durin, which was a corrupted dragon itself. hence, dvalin's senses were dulled over time. to top it off, the abyss order took advantage of dvalin's weak state of mind to turn his back against mondstadt and barbatos, by whispering false claims about barbatos forsaking dvalin, which in turn the traveler arrives in mondstadt and stops dvalin's (stormterror's) threat.
How tf do you find 50 things
*majik* ✨
"Its big brain time"
-catwithbluehat
Cant fret over all the lore in dialogue, Jack
It says 30 tho
@@jmpadua7689 it was originally 50
7:37 (ignore Itto for now)
As it's been said, "ambitions" are temporary, but the thing behind them is eternal: "dreams" or "willpower"
And Itto has a lot of will, that's why he can stay so hot-blooded despite losing his vision
Truth. Itto lacks the concept of "giving up" absolutely entirely.
"It takes Ei more than thousands of years to finally understand her sister's dream"
" 500 years of meditation in the Plane of Euthymia after Cataclysm, and thousands of years of continuous battle with the puppet in Makoto's realm of consciousness"
Me: So in short, Ei is just a bit of a slow learner 🤔
Yeah this quest basically confirms that's she's mostly brawn and not a lot of brain lol, which explains the dual-god dynamic of past Inazuma
She is just stubborn and the past events manipulated he belief or made it stronger. If she is no brainer she would never reach or peak her martial arts.
That's why she is Archon of eternity. She's the god because she's the most stubborn in all Teyvat. Similar to Makoto who is also stubborn with her definition of eternity. Yet, they are perfect side by side. If Ei is not stubborn, then she'd better be the Anemo Archon, which is always carefree.
There's this personality test about stubborn person. It's not that they are slow learners, only untill their 'logic' be surpassed, do they give up on their ideal, because they tend to see 'fact and data' rather than 'imagination' and make the best output rationally. We can see people like this have jobs as 'Accountant', 'banker', or things related to logical-matematic. They are usually the top in the class regarding academic and mostly the left brain function the best.
8:30
Makoto did tell Ei later that there was something in Khaenri'ah that she and the other Archons "can't ignore"
Your guess that "maybe Makoto didn't tell Ei to protect her" is good, but I have another thought:
Makoto wasn't as good of a fighter as Ei, and after Makoto became Archon it was Ei who was in charge of battles
But... why, then, did Makoto go to Khaenri'ah, when the situation over there was likely way worse than in Inazuma? Why not sending Ei there who's likely more capable?
The way Makoto phrases it sounds kinda sus: I doubt she would go to Khaenri'ah willingly, unless... she was made to go there against her will. Likely partly because she's officially an Archon, and the other ones also came there for similar reasons
Now, as for why/how exactly Makoto was dead... Ei only said it had something to do with "Heavenly Principles".
Could it be that in Khaenri'ah, Heavenly Principles mandated something to be done by the Archons, but Makoto refused, and she died as a result? Could it be that she simply was killed by the enemy forces because she wasn't that strong? I have no certainty over this, only guesses
Possible.
Maybe it's something similar like what Dr. Strange did in Infinity War, that "this scene" needs to happen in order to win against Thanos like what Makoto did in order to free from Heavenly Principles's clutches
TLDR: Venti and Zhongli are true homies for not disclosing the secret behind the Raiden Shogun to Celestia :^)
33:00 I'm shocked to see this.
I read a comment saying that "In my opinion, Ei and Makoto are the most powerful archons." I can't remember word-by-word but they mentioned how Ei and Makoto seem to complement each other, by combat and how mature Makoto's thinking's are. I then had the thought that it seemed similar to Guizhong and Zhongli's partnership since Guizhong herself said that, she is the brains to Zhongli's brawns.
If I'm being honest, I noticed a lot of parallels of Makoto & Ei to Guizhong & Zhongli. When Makoto emerged from the blade, I thought "Will this happen to the stone dumbbell if Zhongli solves it?" It might be because I'm obsessed with Guili and can't help but connect everything to it, but I don't really think I'm going insane with this little parallels.
In lore Ei is the actual equivalent of Zhongli. Zhongli was the father of martial arts for the main continent, Ei was the mother of all Inazuman martial arts, she is a master with every weapon used in Inazuma. Ei have only grown stronger and stronger ever since the Archon wars. Zhongli was already ludicrously powerful, but he barely changed since the archon war, he obtained the abilty to shape space by understanding his Gnosis, and taught that power to his adepti, but that was literally the only thing he got. There is no mention on physical or magical achievements that he couldn't already do before the Gnosis. Anyway, I think you hit the nail right in the head, there is indeed some form of symbolism between Inazuma and Liyue having gods that share so many traits.
8:34 This part of the quest
Maaaaan, the pain, her voice, it's like she's about to cry but who cried was me
I would disagree with your point at 25:39. That line could also be interpreted as the Heavenly Principles are against anybody who attempts to change time and space itself (the Sacred Sakura was planted in the past).
"Free from the heavenly principle's clutches" I think this may also be one of the reasons why we can't see Celestia in Inazuma. And that only happened when the Sacred Sakura was planted in Inazuma after she went to Khaenriah, idk.
Also, I really love the relationship of the Raiden twins; despite being opposites, they are both ready to sacrifice themselves for the sake of each other. And I am so much appreciative and amazed by Ei's char growth in the story, I feel like a proud mom for her. Everyone too, I know this would've been impossible if it weren't for the combined efforts of all those who were involved.
[Some info here, I find questionable, but not everything is actually sure for now. So let's just wait for future juicy info.]
Thank you cat for your hard work. Watched your entire video because the world buildings in genshin are so big and this help me a lot for understanding more.
Another thing. Ei said that after she returned from Makoto's realm of consciousness, she saw the sacred sakura for the first time. When she asked others, they said it existed for as long as they could remember. This MAYBE was caused by rukhadevata.
I gotta say I really like these type of videos. Even tho I've never really been intersted in the lore of Genshin, the delivery in your videos really makes me engage into theorising. Plus it's super reallaxing with that background music😊
nope, Celestia knows about Ei, the thing about the electro achon dying is that only the people didn't know that the original electro archon died (the seven archons and celestia knows), and nope Ei can use the knosis just that it didn't work well for her experiments, also Ei is already recognize as the Electro archon by Celestia after makoto died
For a long time Ei had been body double for Makoto. Adding to that, Inazuma (and maybe the rest of the 7 countries, except gods) didn't discern the 2; they were both the one and oni Raiden Shogun. Who gives a fuk (let alone aware) that Makoto got KIA when there's a shadow thunder???
Catcat you're such a wonderful and dediCATed one ! was able to make this series and help us too understand comprehended is so amazing ! i always watch your videos bcs i can learn something valuable from GI's story.
Stay safe.. and keep up the good work until the last chapter of GI comes. Bless You
One of the best story quest ever written in Genshin. Anne Yatco / Miyuki Sawashiro also voiced Ei - Shogun - Makoto PERFECTLY.
31:21
Remind me that, since there is theory about that Inazuma statue is actually Istaroth, that may explain why the statue is very similar to Venti's
I mean
Eye closed
Wear an hoodie
Wings (literally the Anemo symbol)
Also the symbol in the center of it resembles an Eye of the Storm.
While I agree with everything....to think that the Shogun puppet can kill Ei anytime....I don't think that's true. The fight was between the strengths of their will and since the Shogun is designed to have a stronger and immovable will, Ei had match and even overcome that willpower, she does so thinking about the traveller and the dreams of the people of Inazuma, that's what helps her preserve and win. As for power, it should be stated that they are similar but till that point Ei couldnt use the full power of Mussou Isshin, which she finally unleashed at the end of the fight. So right now, she is more powerful than she ever was in the past.
Agreed, Shogun and Ei rule as „Baal”, just like Ei and Makoto once did.
This entirely.
Also the biggest reason for why Ei is more powerful is that she literally hasn't lost a single time against the puppet in their battle. Still, gods can die so the statement "the Shogun puppet can kill Ei" remains true but the other way around would also be true; Ei can kill the puppet. But she didn't because of any/all of these reasons:
1) that would prove nothing other than their power comparison.
2) the fight was about the strength of will, to show that they won't give up.
3) the puppet is her own creation and is a reflection of herself
4) killing it would contradict her newfound beliefs which emphasizes the importance of life and ambition
5) automatic workforce
As always, CatWithBlueHat theories make me feel motivated and excited to continue to play Genshin Impact. The lore is just so interesting (and complicated for my simple mind. :D)
its weird and cool how you find so many things that we missed
18:55 So basically...
Vision: ask and we shalt help ye
God of Time(?): ask and ye shalt receive
Both cases involve strong ambitions and wishes, but with different outcomes
19:06
Gotta add that the "Musou" in "Musou no Hitotachi" and "Musou Isshin" means "dreams"
26:57 could it be because the planting of sacred sakura was done ‘inside’ the consciousness of makoto and so there maybe wasn’t any way of celestia knowing that?
It's been a while seeing a long vid from Mr. Cat
Idk why it feels like I've seen this before but only with chopped parts.
Because it is. It's the other video before but longer & added some other things
Yeah I'm pretty sure i watched it before, but some parts are new
Barbatos and Morax knew the reason why Makoto went to Khanriah. I think the OG Archons know what's up with Celestia and Abyss
7:38
Itto is just built different
I don't know how other felt but when I reach the Ei vs Puppet fight, I immediately play Last Stardust and Emiya theme from Fate/Stay Night Unlimited Blade Works.
25:30
Glad I'm not the only one that noticed Makoto referencing Scaramouche
I think it's just meant to show how they perceive the ideals of eternity tho
Scaramouche was simply mocking Ei about her incomplete understanding of eternity because the first part of the line is similar, meaning that Ei only understood that as eternity - then Mouche adds what would happen after that (each moment within becomes all the more fragile)
While Makoto's 2nd part of the line says "dreams illuminate each moment within" - this is what completes her idea of eternity
In 33:25 i think it fits more to say that maybe celestia doesnt want gods that know too much to be kept alive as they pose as a potential threat to their "Heavenly Principles"
thanks for always uploading interesting videos!
some of these honestly don't fit that much and look like mere speculations but regardless it's interesting to see how the others understand the lore
God. Raiden’s voice is so good it makes me teary
It is interesting that, in the voice lines, Ei didn't like Venti (the Anemo Archon) that much, but now... they seem more and more connected in a way or another.
thanks cat, highly appreciate the video and ur take in this quest
I used to watch these vids for the Diona meme, but I stayed for these interesting takes and analysis.
Thanks so much for breaking all that down. Your content is consistently incredible.
Wow, this was a mouthful to absorb and studying and learning is what I suck at most
I have a little bit of a personal theory surrounding Celestia where once upon a time there was original rulers and gods, including istaroth. Then the current rulers somehow came here and set up shop in Celestia as rulers by defeating the previous gods. I believe some of the gods fled, (istaroth again) and have their own ways of hiding from current prying eyes. Perhaps a god uses the ley lines as their way of hiding or connecting with the world and this is why the gods hate the ley lines so much.
Although I knew these but its always great to have lore recaps from those who actually know and appreciate the lore
happy birthday eichan :] this is the best video ever🎉
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I got the feeling that since Celestia is in the sky and Ley Lines are in the earth, this means Celestia doesn't have ways to effectively oppose the ley lines
The best they can do is to call down those "nukes" (nails)
Ley Lines are confirmed to contain memories of the past. So Celestia must've hated them because:
1. it's against the "heavenly principles" that everything must succumb to change and erosion over time
2. Ley Lines may contain the truth of what happened in the past (or better yet, "the truth of this world") that Celestia doesn't want anyone to find out
Ley Lines are plants. So do you think Dendro - and its Archon - can have some connection to them?
You are a genius 😂 watched the Sumeru trailer, you were right-
Finally a video that clarifies Ei's role
The way the Raiden Shogun and Ei introduces themselves was so amazing lol
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Pretty sure that all the monsters that came to Inazuma 500 years ago are also from Khaenri'ah
Makoto was just going there to fight at the source of the monsters along with the other archons, while Saiguu defended the land
unfolding numbers of Wei's theory videos, with more scientific lore-focused approach
After all, the voice of Ei is so pleasing.
Im not sure if it was right to interpret that Ei couldnt use the gnosis at its entirety. I think gnosis worked just fine for Ei, but she didnt see why she should use it. There's still a possibility that Makoto herself didn't use it or stopped using it exactly likr the other archons weve seen have just givin it away almost on purpose.. And we still know nothing about the gnosis. Perhaps gnosis' use has been fulfilled or they refused to use it at some point, which hinting evil power not good for humans?
Ei couldnt manifest the gnosis' energy to power a doll up. It was merely a failed experience. Thus maybe the experiment itself wasnt sufficient to realize which had nothing to do with gnosis. Seeing no other need for the gnosis, Ei too discarded it. Then she found the if not more perfect tech to create scara and the perfection copy of an Archon. The puppet is a copy for the whole archon, not Makoto's consciousness but Ei's, seeing at the puppet warrior skill. Suggesting it is safe to say both Makoto and Ei were the Archon. The gnosis might be only one, but both were the legit Archon of Eternity. They only had different job. One is a warrior One is to govern. People of Teyvat generally may not know, and some of other Archons may not br aware of the two, but surely after both successfully bring Inazuma to the closest to Heavenly Principle whatever that means, people in the need to know, including Celestia must have recognized Ei too, even if not as the gnosis bearer.
Thus I argue the fact no one knows about Ei, including celestia, might be a false statement. We knew Kitsune Saiguu went after Makoto to be by her side cuz shes her familiar, then I assume she came back per Makoto's plans/wishes/commands. Almost like a tag team between saiguu and ei, cuz Ei left Inazuma to Saiguu and found Makoto dead, then came back with Makoto's consciousness to find Saiguu also dead. My point is Makoto didnt bring Ei to Khaenriah because of something else, either it involved fate, our abyss sibling, Istaroth, freeing Inazuma from thr heavenly principles or all of them...but it has nothing to do with keeping Ei's existence a secret.
Agree
"Seeing no other need for the gnosis, Ei too discarded it. Then she found the if not more perfect tech to create scara" Just a small correction: Your wording implies Scara was made AFTER she gave the gnosis away when Scaramouche is THE prototype. He was the very first thing Ei made. Many many different attempts and versions were made between him and the final product: the Shogun. Scaramouche was made to hold the gnosis, but seeing his emotions, his tears, meant he was susceptible to change. He was SO human that Ei couldn't kill him, which leads me to belive he's more like Albedo. Ei made him a home (Shakkei pavilion) and kept him there for what was suppose to be an eternal slumber. That's the reason Scaramouche see's the gnosis as his heart, his reason for being. It's also why he himself says he's "a human that surpasses all others (pale flame set)" Ei could not find a better way to use the gnosis AFTER him, so gave it to Miko. This is from the Husk of Opulent Dreams artifact set.
I also think that the reason why Makoto didn't send Ei to Khaenriah is because she forseen that even being as powerful as god may die up there. Ei, in her nature, was a warrior as oposite to other gods that fought in Archon's War, so she would be in the middle of all the hell = most likely to die. And if Ei died, Makoto wouldn't be able to protect Inazuma - she was not a fighter. So she went to Khaenriah, knowing that she may die and made backup plan, to buy Ei some time so she may grow up to become true leader.
Thanks for your analysis and can't wait for more lore to come
I agree on most part, but just for the "Intuition",
The Yae "intuition" doesn't really go that far, if she has that kinda future-telling, she doesn't have the need to fear/anxiety about Ei when traveler wanna came back to save her within the realm.
or for self serving purposes (as she should, egoistic queen) the incantation book will not have the chance to booming, as she could use that talent to know Yae publishing house future possible threat, and become invincible.
as for the saving traveler from scara, I believe there's another reason behind it.
I believe that she can see through the roots of the sacred sakura, that’s why while talking to scara, the camera briefly shows some roots that were in the factory
I think the archons were instructed to destroy khaenhria by the celestia as that place was more advanced than tevyat and has no archon (no celestial control).that's why when we ask zhongli about cataclysm,he says he was contracted to say nothing about it.i think the archons were instructed to say nothing after the attack.
Well, Zhongli was contracted to be silence about it. Not really sure about Venti, but perhaps he simply dont want to talk about it. Maybe something to do with the resulting animosity between him and Tsaritsa, but who knows.
a guess: did ei have a physical form again afterplanting the sakura tree in makoto's realm of consciousness, makoto said something like "the sacred sakura will bloom and will finally be free from the clutches of the heavenly principles"
nah she doesn’t have a physical form anymore she uses raiden shogun’s body when she wishes to go out
The lines which are said in the last part make me consider that Makoto, Guizhong, and the previous Dendro archon, are all smart gods and yet all of them died. This makes Celestia seems to be the most anti-nerd god I've ever seen.
@Harry Shade if I remember correctly, Ei sacrificed her body so that Makoto can ascend to Celestia since Archon needs to rule a country and Ei didn't want to do it, means Ei has the quality of an Archon.
Maybe, originally, Celestia wanted Ei to become the Archon instead. So, basically it's Ei's body which is the Archon but with Makoto's consciousness.
Then, both are Archon. Thunder can't happen with only the + energy. It needs + and - to create lightning. The + is Makoto and the - is Ei. Regarding Ei could not use gnosis is because the + is died to create energy. It'd be the same with Ei died instead. Makoto probably won't be able to use gnosis without Ei alive.
Another theory could be, after Makoto died, Ei cuts ties with Celestia, that's why she can't use the gnosis. Originally, I think gnosis is not some source of power, but a tracking device and phone between Celestia and Gods. Cutting ties means cutting the cable to communicate, resulting to the unusable gnosis.
Even after cutting ties with Celestia, Ei is still the Archon. Ei knew doing that might anger Celestia, so that she create the barrier around Inazuma so that Inazuma won't become the next Khaenriah. For someone who thinks rationally, it's the best choice.
And about hiding inside Raiden, it's because she doesn't want to face Corrosion. Having corrosion means getting weak, leading her to not be able to defend Inazuma and disappointing her sister's will.
Basically, it's crystal clear that's what hoyoverse intend to tell us about Ei. But, the executions aren't that clear leading to the misunderstanding in the air, even up till now.
I hope hoyoverse get a better writing in the next Archons story quests to not leading the community fighting over a character.
imagine, just a theory, paimon is a physical manifestation of traveler's real wishes, which we only knew about the twin's reunion.
What if Paimon is like Hawk from Seven Deadly Sins, constantly spying over the Traveler for Celestia unknowingly.
I think the situation of the death of archons in kheanri'ah was that Makoto's death was not announced to fool Celestia and the dendro archon's death was to decieve celestia
Every thing about Ei and inazuma in general is unique, i never got this feelings in mondstand or liyue, inazuma stories are deep and well written, the character development of Ei is just awesome
Out of anything this is my favorite quest so much
I wonder what will happen when _Ei completely Awakens_. That will be interesting to see.
Makoto said: ✨ _"When you are ready to awakens..."_ ✨
What calamity will she bring once that happens? I can't imagine. A battle between Ei and The Unknown God. That would be insane.
I wish we could see more scenes of ei's friends Saiguu,Chiyo and sasayuri in the future 🥺
It is also interesting that the puppet also commented about Chiyo and Saiguu in her lines when duel started
Could you research a theory about Paimon and teleport waypoints? (What if she previously placed those objects as she traveled the world, although now she doesn't remember...)Locations generally require climbing (or floating/flying) ability. the symbol of the base, the colors, etc.She offered to be a guide, so it is likely that she has been there (although she have amnesia, how rare; or nobody remembers her, probably not in that appearance)she can teleport because she is with the traveler or on her own?at least it is clear that they need to be in contact with one to go to another.
thanks for this video, it answers a lot of my questions
"ignore Itto for now" >.< this somehow made me laugh
18:15 Think I recall a line from Ei in her hangout quest to the effect of she wouldn’t get rid of her body if it was an irreversible process.
Thanks for your analysis, as always!
In the quest Sakura Aboration(That might be wrong) A shrine maiden tells the traveller that yea Miko sent her because the sakura trees on kannazuka were losing their strength. Later, she accidentally says, "The sakura trees on kannazuka and Narukami are similar. If they are healthy they'll keep what's hidden underneath down there. I shouldn't have said that, please don't tell Miko." So it seems that the Sacred sakura on narukami Keeps Makoto's spirit sealed, but for kannazuka it's not known.
I've always wondered this too. There seems to be build up of Snake blood on the western side of Kanazuka so maybe that has something to do with it? Yae does mention in the Husk of Opulent Dreams artifact set that she would send help to Kannazuka per Scaramouche's request after Nagamasa beheaded Katsuragi.
Venti and Makoto is all about happiness lol
It's been 2 years since this video was released -- With the current standing of things and lore's progress, there are many changes I've seen so far.
Makoto's really the brain and know's progress but incapable of protecting INAZUMA in the longer run. Her Death was the most useful Character Development for Ei to understand the Everlasting Eternity. Everlasting Eternity doesn't necessarily to stop the time, but rather the endless growth for Inazuma. THUS, the seed she brought means "Consciousness and Maturity" that Ei would definitely reach.
The foxes is there for them to see the growth of Inazuma's [Familiar's way of remembering times].
The seed becoming a Tree means Eternal Growth of the Land it serves. [INAZUMA]
Ei standing and planting seeds means her deeper understanding.
These 3 things are far more important over the rules of the Heavenly Principles, thus making the petal [ITEM] and its result already beyond the reach of the gods.
FOR US TRAVELERS WHO WITNESSES AND TRAVERSES TEYVAT, WE ARE NOT BOUND BY FATE OF THIS LAND.
I'm glad that we all see each other AT THE END OF OUR JOURNEY.
I love this kind of content
Literally the best
However a voice reveal doesn't sound that bad 😅
Ei is implied to be much stronger than Makoto in terms of power, even though Makoto is the one holding the gnosis. She was the warrior and would have supposedly survived if she was the one that went to Khaenri'ah.
Does this mean that gnoses do not actually amplify one's powers? Case in point being the Archons still being able to use their elemental powers despite not having their gnoses any more. So what does Scaramouche hope to achieve by running away with the Electro Gnosis. Or what does the Tsaritsa hope to achieve by collecting all the 7 gnoses?
I guess why Tsaritsa wanted to have all 7 gnoses must have something to do with the Cataclysm, it's what changes her after all.
Scaramouche wants his heart. Thats literally just about it. The gnosis is his heart to him and he is not fully himself without it. Its got nothing to do with evil intents outside of maybe still wanting to "Ascend to godhood" but even then: He was tossed out for being too "fraile" and it might just be to prove himself to Ei that he is capable and worthy. But obviously she's changed from the mindset as seen from this video.
13:08 "but what Inazuma needs more than a warrior is someone like Makoto"
Essentially... Ei eventually would have to fit in Makoto's shoes, as a proper leader and god of Inazuma, and so she has to think as more than just a warrior
And the traveler forced her to.
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She had to, it's only a question of "who'd convince her"
the super sad feelings i got whenever the part where the samurai felt joyful seeing shogun around them was played.. we could really feel the despair coming from them. and even so, they still believe raiden will protect them.
Listen to Teacher in class
Me:😴😴💤💤💤💤💤
Listen to CatWithBlueHat
Me:😀😀😀🙂🙂🙂😲😲😲😲😲
I like the (Ignore itto for now) in brackets is totally his character to show up in comepletely unrelated discussions
17:14 Well, I remember Venti calling Dvalin Express airlines for the Golden Archipelago arc just by playing the lyre.
10:23 "the difference between them was that Makoto's eternity was about transient dreams"
That's why I believe her ideal is still "Transience"
And I do believe, the "quest script" (where we see Makoto being said to believe in "transience") is a more reliable source of lore than people's quotes or in game books
Now that I think about it... The puppet is such a cheat code for Ei,.not only is it as strong as an Archon, she can also choose to trap people within her Plane, does not get affected by erosion, and could probably be stronger than Ei herself. Now imagine this, you decide to oppose Ei, and the situation is dire enough that Ei just doesn't suddenly care about honor anymore and decides to fight with everything she's got. She pulls you in the domain where we fight the puppet in the story quest and have two Eis exist at the same time. A 2v1 vs Ei and the Shogun is unfair.
Ei right now is stronger cuz awakened musou isshin. Even shogun said it has the power that beyond the limits of her understanding and she beat the shogun because of that.
Ei can use gnosis she just don’t want to use it bc she wants cut tie with celestia, she was failed use modified into a energy supply device, but no matter what she did, but her techniques had no effect on the Gnosis at all, not because she can’t use it.
also I think celestia actually knows ei had replaced mokoto but they just ignored it bc it doesn’t really a problem for them like Khaenri'ah does
Zhongli and venti are true gigachads not only they protect their respective nations from celestia they also kinda protects others as well (dendro archon theory and venti having close connections to inazuma )
28:00 This is the most acurate line to me asking my friend why they like Xiao
I really hope that people would stop shitting on Raiden Shogun's archon quest anymore. her quest is on par with ZhongLi and Venti and any other archons. they all have their struggles and we should respect their sacrifices
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I hope ppl would stop shitting on Inazuma Archon Quest
The Gemstone quote really made it obvious didn't it? Damn
I do wonder how powerful post second quest Ei is compared to other Archon, because from the look of it the only archons that can contend with Ei for the title of the strongest Archon is either Murata the pyro Archon since she is the god of war iirc or the cyro Archon the Tsaritsa.
As for John Lee he is too old
I love how ley lines are the perfect plot device to literally write anything
I will subscribe for the sharing lores and clues with us.
Since the rifthounds were the advance and could open portals, they could be the ones who opened ways for the abyss to come through
Teyvat might fall into darkness when the travellers restore Khaenri'ah and when all of Teyvat had finally learnt the truth and decided to aid the Travellers in the quest of toppling Celestia
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Gojo satoru
Yoaimo 😂😂