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  • @NewStatesman
    @NewStatesman  Місяць тому

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  • @georgecooper1172
    @georgecooper1172 Місяць тому +14

    With great respect, Rachel, the US Senate has rotating 6-year terms. The idea is that a third of the Senate is up for reelection every two years, along with the House elections. Thank you for your excellent commentary.

  • @badabing8884
    @badabing8884 Місяць тому +8

    Ultimately, the upper house is supposed to be a revising chamber. This has been totally lost with the HoLs. The House of Commons isn’t going to vote for the Lords to supersede it. It should be made of expertise to make the commons think again and stop poor legislation getting through. It’s a quandary not helped by having a head of state that has no power and the executive branch dominating the Commons. We have no written constitution to delineate the exact powers held by each house.

    • @blazzz13
      @blazzz13 Місяць тому

      Tbh if the Commons votes for it, precedent says they will have no choice. Pretty sure Starmer stated he'll pack the Lords with Labour peers to achieve that end.

    • @ssanonswu2010
      @ssanonswu2010 Місяць тому

      @@blazzz13 no need, he can invoke Parliament Acts 1911 and 1949 to pass legislation

  • @PastelCrayola
    @PastelCrayola Місяць тому +6

    If you're looking to keep that skill and knowledge factor and not have a duplicate house of common you might want to look at the Irish Seanad (Senate). It's 60 members with 11 being appointed by the Taoiseach and 6 elected from university alum. The rest are divided into sectors of the economy and can elect there members rather than geographical districts. So there is an education, public administration, labour, industy and agricultural panel. Only members from those sectors can vote. Its not open to the general public. It keeps the bit undemocratic nature of the house of Lords but since its just an advisory and scrutinising body it allows expert opinion and knowledge.

    • @georgesdelatour
      @georgesdelatour Місяць тому

      The obvious solution is to "onshore" all the quangos which have drained power from the Commons into the Lords, so that their decision-making happens in full view of the public.

  • @richierich7609
    @richierich7609 Місяць тому +9

    You don't need to scrap it. Reduce the remuneration from £332/day and free restaurant meals to £4/day and one coupon for a Big Mac, fries and a Coke from Mickey D's.

  • @nicks4934
    @nicks4934 Місяць тому +9

    Ex mistresses and Russian crooks?

  • @nicks4934
    @nicks4934 Місяць тому +9

    Scrap? No. Reform yes!

  • @hangmanhands5826
    @hangmanhands5826 Місяць тому +4

    it should be replaced with a house of experts who are chosen for their qualifications in specific subjects so they can review legislation and it should be appointed by an independent body definitely not by a party as it is now and not by voting we already have the commons for that

    • @tav9352
      @tav9352 Місяць тому

      This exactly. We want people who have knowledge to scrutinise legislation and are not influenced by electoral ambitions.

  • @MichaelDowds1986
    @MichaelDowds1986 Місяць тому +6

    Why not discuss how the Irish Senate is elected? Surely seems like the most apt comparison for HoL reform.

    • @zoso7889
      @zoso7889 Місяць тому

      The Seanad is only partially elected and is, for the most part, an ineffective talking shop.

    • @MichaelDowds1986
      @MichaelDowds1986 Місяць тому

      @@zoso7889 Is it an improvement on the HoL though. That's the question.

    • @zoso7889
      @zoso7889 Місяць тому

      @@MichaelDowds1986 I think your better going for a fully elected second chamber with equal standing to the commons or doing away with the second chamber altogether.

    • @MichaelDowds1986
      @MichaelDowds1986 Місяць тому

      @@zoso7889 surely it would have to be representative in a different way (like the way the US Senate represents the states and the US HoR represents 'the people'. I can see the unicameral system (with super beefed up committees) being a decent system.

  • @Steven_Rowe
    @Steven_Rowe 28 днів тому +1

    I can't stand Starmer, but ftom a democratic point of view Lords should be replaced.
    People should elecct an upperhouse..
    Also look at Lord Cameron,.
    Wasnt an elected MP but ended up the Foriegn Minister in an elected government.
    The whole place wou.d be a joke if it wasnt the fact that its the public who pay for this circus.

    • @frog1686
      @frog1686 20 днів тому

      Indeed Cameron was, But starmer has already put 3 unelected in there in the last 4 weeks,

  • @Nomadicmillennial92
    @Nomadicmillennial92 Місяць тому

    Just make it elected by closed list Proportional representation. No point tinkering it around the edges, the constitution needs fundamental reform.

  • @Red1Green2Blue3
    @Red1Green2Blue3 Місяць тому +3

    Age matters when said politicians aren't elected. If you're elected you have a mandate regardless of age.

  • @samuelmelton8353
    @samuelmelton8353 Місяць тому +1

    Spain has a -vaguely- similar system to what we could have if we wanted a regional upper chamber and a more proportional lower chamber.

  • @Antipaxos_Nadja123
    @Antipaxos_Nadja123 Місяць тому +3

    He's literally stacking the Lords, of course he's not abolishing it he's telling us directly that he's doing the opposite!

    • @Red1Green2Blue3
      @Red1Green2Blue3 Місяць тому

      It has to be packed to be scrapped. In any case, Labour's history has shown us that they have made meaningful reforms to the HoL. unfortunately it's a difficult thing to do because there are too many simps who want to keep everything the same because of nostalgia and deference to authority.

    • @Antipaxos_Nadja123
      @Antipaxos_Nadja123 Місяць тому

      @Red1Green2Blue3 you can't meaningfully reform the Lords, a legislature which is unelected is a travesty even with an age cap or the number of hereditary peers capped to 92 or whatever, and the suggestion it could block its own abolition is untrue. There is convention that the Lords doesn't block things in the governing parties manifestos, if Starmer truly wants to abolish the Lords he'd have just put it in the manifesto, something he did initially promise to do and that he could do without risk because of the fact he was basically gifted a huge majority via tory implosion

    • @Antipaxos_Nadja123
      @Antipaxos_Nadja123 Місяць тому

      @@Red1Green2Blue3 There is a convention that the House of Lords passes things that were in the governing party's manifestos. If Starmer was truly serious about abolishing the Lords, he would have simply put it in the manifesto, something he initially promised he would do, but reneged on, something he could do with no risk because of the huge majority Labour was basically gifted by Tory implosion

  • @goodrobotsai
    @goodrobotsai Місяць тому +3

    House of Foreign Lobbyists, MPs mistresses and economic grifters

  • @pastyman001
    @pastyman001 Місяць тому +1

    Brown's House of the Regions has a huge flaw. You already take people around the country and put them in London. This would repeat that in a different form, but would in no way devolve power to regions. We need a Federal System, (with devolution Max) as works well in most other western countries and many other ones.

  • @GTA5Player1
    @GTA5Player1 Місяць тому +1

    If only...

  • @Llooktook
    @Llooktook Місяць тому +4

    People don't like the House of Lords because it's perceived to have become a money for honours upper house. Instead of scrapping it there needs to be a robust and independent panel that vets all of its new members and makes sure each respective baron or baroness has the unique expertise and experience, that the country could benefit from.

    • @rolinti9146
      @rolinti9146 Місяць тому +3

      people don't like it because it's undemocratic, sure you can put checks and balances in place to improve it but it's still a fundamentally broken system

    • @haglasu1468
      @haglasu1468 Місяць тому

      Absolutely true.

    • @LaputanAcademy
      @LaputanAcademy Місяць тому +2

      @@rolinti9146 all political systems have undemocratic parts. Our judges are not elected either, and most people would agree that it is a good thing that they are not

    • @goodrobotsai
      @goodrobotsai Місяць тому

      ​@@LaputanAcademy why do you want the house of Lords to exist so badly. And unelected chamber that gets to decide if our votes "really counts". It shouldn't exist. It's just wrong. I'd rather we have 2 elected houses.

    • @LaputanAcademy
      @LaputanAcademy Місяць тому +2

      @@goodrobotsai well firstly,, it can't veto legislation, it can only amend it. Most of its amendments are accepted by the commons, however, because the quality of debate in the lords is much better than the commons and the amendments actually improve the legislation. If the chamber is elected it is either dominated by the same party, in which case its just a rubber stamp parliament, or its dominated by the opposite party, in which case we get gridlock and stalemate

  • @charliehobbs8276
    @charliehobbs8276 Місяць тому +1

    Love the podcast, quick question for next week. Lots of new MPs have just arrived in the Commons, and have begun settling in and hiring their staff. In the past, there have been issues with misconduct and inappropriate behaviour from MPs towards their staff. Should Parliament bring in a more formalised HR system, perhaps in line with the private sector? Thanks

  • @SignorSprezzatura
    @SignorSprezzatura Місяць тому

    I think Britain needs to have a wider look at its constitutional arrangements before it tries to reform the Lords! So much power is concentrated in Westminster and London to the detriment of the regions and nations of Britain. So maybe a federal UK is what you need in which case an elected upper house (a Senate) representing the nations of the UK is the go (like Australia, the US and Canada - the Washminster system as its nicknamed in Oz). But if that's the case what becomes of the Commons - does it represent the UK or only England? If it represents the whole of the UK do you then need an English assembly - the equivalent of the Stormont, Holyrood and the Welsh assembly? Could you then have a federation without a federal constitution like Britain's english speaking offspring all have (US, Canada, Australia, NZ)? If instead you want an upper house of experts - how do you appoint them and what terms do they have?

  • @RobvanZYl
    @RobvanZYl Місяць тому +1

    At least one of the two houses should be elected by proportional representation. If the commons is fist past the post, the the Lords should be PR.

  • @frog1686
    @frog1686 20 днів тому

    No They won't Its a nest egg for failed MPs In particular labour,

  • @glostergloster6945
    @glostergloster6945 Місяць тому +1

    Labour and Tories both love the House of Horrors. Neither party will get rid of it.

  • @rhobatbrynjones7374
    @rhobatbrynjones7374 Місяць тому +4

    Extraordinary how comfortable the New Statesman is with an undemocratic chamber as part of the legislative process.

    • @oliverraven
      @oliverraven Місяць тому +3

      And how poor professional journalists' knowledge of upper houses in other countries is. The only examples given here were France and the US, and the host managed to make errors about both despite reading from notes!

    • @theelmonk
      @theelmonk Місяць тому

      The democratic chamber isn't a great advert though, is it ? Look where it got us with the tories. Imho the second chamber saved us quite a bit of their worst excesses. Don't change them such that that is lost.
      And look at the senate. They're a disgrace. And the supreme court has been fixed.

    • @rhobatbrynjones7374
      @rhobatbrynjones7374 Місяць тому +1

      @@theelmonk Democracy is the worst of all political systems. Except for all the other systems.

  • @harper5892
    @harper5892 Місяць тому

    No chance at all! Starmer wants to be there soon!

  • @carlosgravil3325
    @carlosgravil3325 Місяць тому

    This will be the best thing ever! But Kier is not up to the task.

  • @hughwilson2219
    @hughwilson2219 Місяць тому

    How hard can it be? An elected chamber is not hard to do.

  • @gmanville1
    @gmanville1 Місяць тому +1

    Set term limits, not age limits, for both house of commons & lords of 15-20 years in each. No second jobs allowed while you are in either house. I agree that experts are the way forward, so lords should be broken into govt sectors (housing, health, business, environment, transport, education, law etc.). Only path into lords is after a 15y term in commons. No path from commons to lords without applying to serve in one of the lords sectors. Sectors should be added to in equal numbers every ~5 years to keep balance. Set a maximum number, and once the max is reached, no additions can be made until people leave at the end of their term.

    • @Red1Green2Blue3
      @Red1Green2Blue3 Місяць тому

      No term limits for MPs. If you're **elected** you should be allowed to stand, it keeps institutional knowledge which is important. Maybe term limits for PMs and Ministers.

    • @gmanville1
      @gmanville1 Місяць тому

      @@Red1Green2Blue3 The idea would be to keep institutional knowledge passing down the generations, and the 'elder statesmen' would stay in the system, they'd just be moved to the upper house following their term in the lower house, if they choose to apply. Commons is too stagnant and needs to be more regularly refreshed with new and relevant ideas. The last 14 years of govt have shown that. The tories - whatever your views on them - ran out of ideas by the end

    • @Red1Green2Blue3
      @Red1Green2Blue3 Місяць тому

      @@gmanville1 Your proposed solution doesn't solve the problem you've stated, it just creates more problems.

    • @gmanville1
      @gmanville1 Місяць тому

      I disagree. But please elaborate on why you think it doesn’t solve, or at least improve on, the problem. And what further problems do you think would be caused as a result?

  • @AlistairClark99
    @AlistairClark99 Місяць тому

    Great discussion

  • @3thinking
    @3thinking Місяць тому

    Replace the HoL with frontier AI Large Language Models. The AI can easily read, review and decide if legislation should be passed or revised. I for one, welcome our silicon overlords.

  • @mikemalone1282
    @mikemalone1282 Місяць тому

    We can but dream,why can we not have an elected 2nd chamber

  • @anthonybrown4874
    @anthonybrown4874 Місяць тому

    The current Lords is full of appointees whose skill set is not what got them there see Lord Owen they're handed out as grace and favour rewards to donors and worse. It's a legislation proof reading house and it's members should be selected appropriately by a bi partisan committee.
    The current overflowing house should be left with titles only and the ones with skills necessary and the work ethic should be interviewed as part of a rebuilding process Truss Boris and previous Labour government's turned it into a charade.

  • @michellebarbour5777
    @michellebarbour5777 Місяць тому

    What a great debate - 'experts', yes, they're useful but younger research tends to get forgotten. Lived experience, yes, so useful in housing, in mental health in everything but not on it's own.Need some peer reviewd evidence too. Cultural difference in the respect and wisdom of elders, how much should we respect them compared to younger 'experts'? - so much to think about. I plan my first ever visit to a House of Lords debate on your advice, all the way from Folkestone, before I take a stance (having previously had quite a definite stance). Thank you for this one.

  • @regarded9702
    @regarded9702 Місяць тому

    Does it need reform? The only problem so far is that there is too many members.
    Introducing a manditory retirement age and then limiting the number of new members allowed to be made per year will fix that over time. Maybe make a limit for the numbers of lords as well.
    That is all it needs.

  • @laurenceT141
    @laurenceT141 Місяць тому

    4:35 if, in the lord's, the quality of the debate, decision making and expertise is so much higher in an unelected body (most of whom are nominated by elected representatives as it happens) than in the elected commons, then why should we be wasting time reforming it? We elect representatives to take decisions on our behalf and one of those is to nominate peers to oversee legislation.

  • @SarahWalker-Smith
    @SarahWalker-Smith Місяць тому

    The inability of some women to be serious about serious subjects is becoming irritating . When is Marr back from holiday I wonder?

  • @mikewilson4847
    @mikewilson4847 29 днів тому

    Good stuff, but oh dear -'peers', not 'piers' please..........

  • @ElonMuskDailyLife
    @ElonMuskDailyLife Місяць тому +1

    All Keir had to do was condemn all violence, commit to punishing its perpetrators but also affirm that he understood & would address the fears & anger of ordinary people concerned about their families & communities. Not doing so will be the biggest political mistake of his career.

    • @captaintorch983
      @captaintorch983 Місяць тому

      Spot on. Starmer has already lost all credibility as a Prime Minister.

  • @yuukihoffner8433
    @yuukihoffner8433 Місяць тому

    The political blindness of the British is astonishing. The elephant in the room or the very reason for nearly every political problem in GB is the monarchy. You are so used to this kind of inequality that you do not perceive the injustice woven into your system of ruling. If the House of Lords changes into a chamber representing the regions or so-called 'peers' will have to leave, reaching a certain age is a minor issue. The bigger or even huge one is that an uncontrolled individual who loses his nerves because of a leaking pen has the power to finalize laws; that so-called 'aristocrats' still possess huge territories inherited through their blood relatives and not earned by their own work; that a certain accent learned in a certain school still makes spoilt youngsters feel special and thus entitled etc. All of this is wrong! Anyone who wants to change this must change this accepted injustice i.e. abolish the monarchy.

  • @Romft17
    @Romft17 18 днів тому

    Is this his way of trying to achieve total control? Thin edge of the wedge - wait to see what comes about by the time he has hit the wedge a few more clouts with the hammer.

  • @martinquinn4063
    @martinquinn4063 21 день тому

    Starmer is Dangerous..

  • @polarisnorth4875
    @polarisnorth4875 Місяць тому

    I beg he does

  • @harrymcintosh2940
    @harrymcintosh2940 Місяць тому +1

    I fully support the idea of Hannah choosing the members of the Lords. Go Hannah!

    • @Steve-wb60
      @Steve-wb60 Місяць тому

      I like a fully nominated House of Lords. The King should nominate without political interference

  • @kayedal-haddad
    @kayedal-haddad Місяць тому +3

    FULLY elected, with around 300 members and every member being non-partisan and thus standing as an independent in an election!

    • @Bluecewe
      @Bluecewe Місяць тому +1

      What voting system would you use?
      If it were a national election, would voters need to read up on the background and priorities of hundreds of independent candidates?

    • @regarded9702
      @regarded9702 Місяць тому

      That system will last around 15 minutes before the non partisan members start forming groups based off of ideologies.
      This will then give us a house of lords with exactly the same problems as the house of commons.

    • @kayedal-haddad
      @kayedal-haddad Місяць тому

      @@Bluecewe probably The D’Hondt method!
      Basically, yes! Or else the parties would put forward each of the independent candidates.

  • @thelegendofspitfirehunter1457
    @thelegendofspitfirehunter1457 Місяць тому

    That question is so funny

  • @BarryKellysinger
    @BarryKellysinger Місяць тому

    Never

  • @jimpmccusker
    @jimpmccusker Місяць тому

    There are 140ish universities in the UK. 2 appointees from each university on 4 year terms who are selected from and elected by the faculty

  • @naga9067
    @naga9067 Місяць тому

    If you don't turn up and engage on a regular basis, you shouldn't be a lord

  • @theelmonk
    @theelmonk Місяць тому

    This isn't comment or analysis, it's speculation. get a grip.

  • @pamelacornelius8430
    @pamelacornelius8430 Місяць тому

    Je needs to scrap the labour party

  • @hughcaskey9542
    @hughcaskey9542 29 днів тому

    Too many of his mates in there no chance

  • @mrmarmellow555
    @mrmarmellow555 Місяць тому +1

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  • @user-lv5rs6hc8i
    @user-lv5rs6hc8i Місяць тому

    How much money could be saved if the lirds was scrapped?

  • @feigekv
    @feigekv Місяць тому

    statutory churn is probably the best idea. Certainly not elected - that's the stupidity of the politically ignorant. I would be suspicious of experts; lobbying isn't restricted to the commons, and retired experts invariably have outside connections. Probably retired civil servants or public body officials would be a good choice.

  • @SuzanneJones-qy3zh
    @SuzanneJones-qy3zh 23 дні тому

    Of cours e he wont all his mates. Got to go in first

  • @SuzanneJones-qy3zh
    @SuzanneJones-qy3zh 22 дні тому

    What end the lords not starmers mates hes flooding in

  • @DEVAEGIR
    @DEVAEGIR Місяць тому +1

    I am so pleased with the fact that, contrary to a lot of blind criticism coming from the progressive centre and centre-left (that is, the normal New Statesman audience), the discussion here points clearly to the fact that the Upper Chamber is valuable exacltly because its members are not conventionally elected, that is, they do not think and argue within the context of electoral cycles, which to me has always been a ,ajor issue with 'career politicians', in any political system, of course, but especially in a representative democracy.
    One issue is of great importance, and which Hanna included is that the House of Lords has become, at least partly, the repository of incompetence, what Hannah called 'the failed/ retired politicians'. (Less so the civil servants who could be considered, in many ways, experts). So, failed/ retiring politicians, to the man (and woma - party-political appointees sent specifically to strengthen party numbers in the Chamber, rather that for any practical reason for the good of the country and public, are, to me at least, a much bigger problem than the few bishops or the small cohort of hereditary peers (after all, one might argue that these latter also represent a portion of the British public, and not necessarily even the richer or most porminent part thereof).
    For those of us who see value in the House of Lords, my own suggestion has been for a long time a restructuring of the appointment process. The Lords shold not be appointed by the government (unless in exceptional and very specific circumstances). Achievement and expertese, rather than party or gevernmental work should be the main, if not singular criterion. And selection should be for life, though with a 'good conduct' review process, i.e. increased power of ethics committees, procedurally moderated.

  • @g.p616
    @g.p616 Місяць тому +1

    The New Statesman still scared to have the immigration debate! …. Why?😂😂😂

  • @Simonchrismasdoherty
    @Simonchrismasdoherty Місяць тому

    No he won't, look the house of lords has protected our democracy over the past 7 years. Reform yes, we have more important issues to deal with. Ideally we would have an elected upper house.

  • @stevenwilliamson6236
    @stevenwilliamson6236 Місяць тому

    Breadth? Like Cyril Smith?

    • @timonsolus
      @timonsolus Місяць тому

      Are you saying that the ideal Lord is Jabba the Hutt?

  • @mariamorgan8447
    @mariamorgan8447 Місяць тому +4

    No because Sir wants to join when he gets kicked out of no 10.

    • @BadgerBoy59
      @BadgerBoy59 Місяць тому +1

      Bit of a stretch when he's previously said repeatedly that he wants to abolish it.

    • @mariamorgan8447
      @mariamorgan8447 Місяць тому

      @@BadgerBoy59 he has previously said a lot of things. Good at u turning. You puppet or muppet

  • @Andrea-v7j
    @Andrea-v7j Місяць тому +1

    Hahaha 😂Hahaha Africans

  • @sirbaconbutties7071
    @sirbaconbutties7071 Місяць тому +1

    Islam Out Christ is King

  • @janeknight3597
    @janeknight3597 Місяць тому

    Well it’s about time we had an elected second chamber and got rid of friends of government. I have no problem with all the heads of faith. Being appointed by right. I do have a problem with Baroness Mone.

    • @LaputanAcademy
      @LaputanAcademy Місяць тому +4

      if it is elected you will have the same deadlock as in the US. elected members would vote on partisan lines rather than independently

    • @theolddog5129
      @theolddog5129 Місяць тому +1

      Have we not learnt anything from electing politicians into governments during the past 14 years?

    • @timonsolus
      @timonsolus Місяць тому +3

      Here’s the problem with an elected second chamber - Nobody will vote for an expert. Experts aren’t popular because they are a lot smarter than the average voter. People in the UK would rather have an elected second chamber of celebrities than an elected second chamber of experts.

  • @jaybee4288
    @jaybee4288 Місяць тому

    Lots of mistakes here in what is being said. Maybe you should get men to do this?