Jordan Peterson teaching statistics to Ratina Omidvar
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- Опубліковано 17 тра 2017
- Clinical Psychologist Jordan Peterson explains to Ratna omidvar the importance of sampling bias and the need for random sampling in public consolation of legislature. From the senate hearing on bill c16
an appeal to authority becomes fallacious the moment that appeal has no merit or mechanism involved - Фільми й анімація
chairman: "no you are fine"
he just straight up let her walk into the belly of the beast
Heeeeeeeelp!
"Give her enough rope ..."
😂 😂
Haha you could tell she was like “ i done gone fucked up now..” 😂
She had 3 whole pages guys it could take weeks to go through them all.
This aged exceedingly well. Like a fine vintage.
this hack wine metaphor continues to age like a used diaper in the hot sun.
No? This aged so poorly. You do not want a random sample size for the opinion of a population on these issues. The whole point of listing the opinions of the various institutions was for a biased sample. You want expert opinion on the issue just like you would value expertise on how to construct a publicly funded bridge project. Those who are not contending with the data should not have had a significant sway on the legislation of c16.
@@wasnt_it Where does it say _wine?_
@James Montgomery Freedom without limit exposes itself to the very forces that can facilitate its destruction.
Perhaps an amendment that attributes any discussion of the inhibition of free speech as a direct call to violence; that wouldn’t go a miss.
@@puffballavada6967 compelled speech is different from a bridge project.
Almost felt bad for her when the chair said "no, go ahead"
0mnis14sh I actually enjoyed it haha
She clearly didn't know Peterson's position.
I was caught off guard by how quickly she exposed herself as unprepared, uninformed and frankly, foolish, despite presenting the calm demeanor of a well-researched inquisitor that has a compendious grasp of the issue at hand. I sensed Peterson was agitated by the level of mental capacity he was obliged to address. That being said, as much of an idiot as Omidvar may be, NONE of her colleagues assisted and watched the bus roll over her and back up...awful.
I didn't feel bad her her.Sucked in bitch.That's what i thought.
The chair could see she was trying to get out of a hole she dug for herself and he wasn't about to hand her a ladder, lol.
She tries to minimize his argument by saying he's only a "party of one." As if there aren't many many Canadians who believe that this Bill is b.s.
honestly its a very good example of authoritarian appeal fallacy which alot of people on the internet seem to conflate with citing sources or providing reference material. I think that "Authoritarian appeal" becomes a fallacy the instant there is no merit or mechanism behind it. Which she hilariously got caught in the middle of it when she couldnt bring forth any valid points against peterson.
She got owned like I have never seen anyone get owned before!
@@Rockabillyrulzok Not only that, but the points he made to discredit her were shockingly simple to understand!
@@brumafriend It doesn't matter. Simply having the law on the books sets a dangerous precedent.
@@brumafriend I don't know the answer, but like I said, it doesn't matter. Just the fact that someone COULD be arrested is unacceptable.
@2:13 she tries to weasel out by saying that the chair would not want her to take the tiem to read it out. the Chair snaps back "no, you're fine" !!
"what are they saying specifically?"
"well in general..."
😂 She missed the whole point.
2:05
Jordan: you say they. Who are they? You say they say things. What are they saying, precisely?
Newman Clone: I think we're done here.
Legislator: No no.... go on.
He’s so incredibly conducting the most meaningfully articulated words in a string of music. He’s so good.
It's truly incredible. I strive for that level of eloquence.
*hello fellow lobsters, how do you do*
@@inachang5394 *clank clank*
*snip snip*
August Hi feeling *crabby*
He is so verbally intelligent its jawdroppingly amazing just to hear him speak.
She got bodied.
Wrestle-mania style super-slam to canvas !
Lmao whoever posted this should add the sound effect of a body bag getting zippered up right after Peterson ends with "so..."
Bill passed and she keeps her popularity vote. I guess she won at the end
When you speak the truth, your words are unaffected by time. When you passive aggressively lie to support nonsense, your words age poorly almost immediately. Peterson taught Nicholas Matte the same lesson.
Well put!
“An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it. Truth stands, even if there be no public support. It is self sustained.”
― Mahatma Gandhi
💯💯 Thanks for mentioning.
So Gandhi then was no postmodernist.
She looks mature enough to know not to ask questions unprepared. She assumed her question (plus "party of one" comment) was enough to destroy the witness, and send him cowering in a corner hiding under a blanket. I guess she didn't bring a blanket of her own in the end. She wished she had one.
She is a cultists, thus she thought she is prepared.
I thought she performed very well, at filling up the required 3 minutes specifying what the word "many" means, for all of us together--as well as any of us in the singular--who might not be totally sure about just that, whilst the chair figured out who they were going to call on to stall for them, next.
She is mature enough to know it.
She is not intelligent enough to put together cogent questions. 90% of her question was self congratulating on her adherence to a group ideology and superiority to a perceived enemy, not spending a moments thought onto what that perceived enemy was trying to accomplish.
She is an embarrassment to humanity. An embarrassment to Canadians and an embarrassment to adults.
Does she even still have a job? She's barely qualified to be a stamp licker.
but the bill passed.
@@benjamink.1970 indicating a larger scope of the spread of wanton stupidity.
Sadly, this cancer that has infected Canada will only be removed through revolution. That revolution will only be able to effectively happen peacefully if the government of Canada totally collapses. As a Canadian, I believe Canada will enact its own self-destruction within the next 20-30 years, maybe sooner, but I don't know. I'd rather not be there when it happens. If it happens later, I'd really, *REALLY* prefer not to be there when it happens because when socialism gets to that stage, that's when millions of people starve.
Canada has been ruined by the far leftists. It must be from their own hand that its collapse also happens. Fortunately, history doesn't always repeat itself, but it does tend to rhyme, so we probably don't have to wait too long. Perhaps within this generation, perhaps within the next. Slipping into socialism/communism can not continue indefinitely.
Trudeau is now under investigation for yet another corruption scandal of dropping 900 million of government funds into his wife's pockets (well, sort of indirectly), so we'll see if that wakes up the Canadian populace. I doubt it. Unfortunately, the type of leader Canada needs right now is not represented by any other politicians in the field. Canada has no political leaders who have clarity of mind. If there were, they wouldn't be anywhere near popular enough to get any headway. Canada is openly hostile to the types of ideas that they need in order to survive the next 50-100 years. That's a bad mix there Canada.
That "so" at the end is packed full of flavor! LOL
Statistics, simple math, common sense - all things way over her head. All she understand is simple minded slogans
SHE HAS FILES AND FILES OF BUMPER STICKERS.....HOW DARE YOU
@@buildinit6523 i cant stop laughing lolol
She doesn’t understand the human mind enough for even those Lmao. Probably has to have her party deal with it for her.
I'm sure she understands that. She just doesn't give a damn, her mission was to push that agenda knowing all too well that its not a good thing. Which makes it worse. I'd rather be an idiot who doesn't know any better than a horrible human being.
Probably why she became a politician
Finally, the video has a fitting title.
I cannot begin to tell you how I admire the courage of this man.
Best part of the hearing. She got obliterated.
Lady: "you're entitled to your opinion"
Me: "what's the point of having an opinion if I will go to JAIL for expressing it"
The SJW's behind him are trying to figure out why they are offended, haha.
no, i think the guy writing his dialogue just couldnt keep up lol
You don't know if they are SJW's or not. What a rediculous assertion.
@Connection Lost Nope, I fucking hate SJWs but I also hate the dumb cunts who assume anyone left of center is an SJW. It's simple minded bullshit and it just seems to prove that you and Jayna might not have the intellect to join in with political discourse. YOU GUYS AND PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE A BIG PART OF THE REASON EVERYONE IS SO DIVIDED RIGHT NOW. As well as your equivalents on the left.
Politics isn't meant to be a war, it's meant to be diplomacy. We should be looking for what's best for everyone, rather than telling people on the opposite side of the discussion to fuck off because you disagree with them. Thesis meets antithesis and forms a synthesis. That's what we should strive for, but nope, everyone just wants to think they're right all the time. This childish mentality has absolutely decimated reasonable discussion.
To paraphrase JP; every action by every person moves us either one step closer to salvation, or annihilation. Make sure your actions take us in the right direction.
@@highestsettings 100% agree man, I hate people like that. It's so pathetic.
@@Willi.am05 Most children want to be adults. So why do so many adults act like children?
"Tell me how your opinion matters. You're just one person. We're all the experts." -- That is classic movie-bad-guy rhetoric.
And his move is then: (angry voice) I am so good and you don't understand me, ramble ramble ramble.
👌
Like Global Warming.
@@naomiharbour7841 Omidvar's move is an argument from authority. Peterson's move is 1. This is how statistical sampling really works. 2. I agree with the statement you read. 3. Your law compelling speech doesn't address the problem.
Your move, Naomi, is ad hominem, and inaccurate ad hominem at that.
But the irony is that it's not his "opinion", he's just stating the facts.
"I use logic smack." *rolls crit*
9999
LOL people still play DnD?
Yeah, but only the cool kids. Like our IT department.
Andrew Haack *DM says
"your attack hits the AC Unfortunately the SJW Tarrasque is immune to logic attacks!*
only recently got into d&d but so far i'm amazed by it. it's an interactive unifying fiction for the human race, i'm almost certain.
The salient purpose-duty of the state is to uphold statute law, balance its finances, and defend its citizenry. These folks want to deal with nebulous social and psychological issues when they're not, or incompetently, performing their primary duties.
Yeah, but the salient purpose-duty demands actual work. When you are a diversity hire, work is hard. So you start talking about social justice, quotas, gender discrimination blah blah blah...and at the end of the day you destroyed instead of building something.
Defending human rights isn't protecting it's citizens?
What universe is that in?
@@E.J.Crunkleton Well, in your universe "human rights" likely mean anything some bureaucrat stipulates them to mean.
@@johnchambers2996 you're wrong, but I doubt I can convince you otherwise.
It is a life goal and dream of mine to achieve a level of verbal expression as succinct and precise as Dr. Peterson's.
Right from the beginning, Omidvar is trying to discredit JP with her "party of one" reference.
And I agree 100% with everything he said.
You agree with him years later even after he was shown to be 100% wrong about "compelled speech" and fabricated problems with the bill that didn't exist.
Amazin.
@@E.J.Crunkleton Firstly, there are two genders - male and female. There are two pronouns used to describe these genders - he and she. Anything else is made-up nonsense.
So C-16 was attempting to penalize people for not buying into the Marxist narrative the LGB community is pushing.
@@jamesgray7064 those are sexes.not genders.
You're welcome.
@@jamesgray7064 it actually doesn't penalize anyone, it's a civil protection for trans individuals against bigotry from people like you who think you can define them out of existence by claiming they don't exist.
Unfortunately for you, we can see that they do.
@@E.J.Crunkleton JP and his lawyer demonstrated a time line of likely events that would mean imprisonment for not using a 'preferred' pronoun.. That means its not 'preferred' but rather compelled. You are wrong and are one of the reasons the world is drowning in chaos. Be better
Someone this awesome is pretty rare. Really wish there were more Jordan Petersons, particularly in America.
I appreciate so much this clarity from Jordan. Wonderful example!
It's satisfying to watch someone like Jordan Peterson completely put someone like her in her place. She's an ignorant, privileged person who needs to be educated. You have to vote people like her out of office, though.
The Canadian Senate is not elected. My regrets to anyone who gets confused about this. It's a house of individuals appointed for life at the recommendation of the prime minister. So senators appointed under previous prime ministers (including, obviously, prime ministers belonging to other parties than the current governing party) stay in the Senate.
Ilya Ibrahimovic what a terrible idea.
@@mjtechnoviking44 Have a suggestion for how to get it changed? The system has been in place...since before Confederation, if my history is correct. I don't even know what the mechanism would be to change this aspect of the system, or if there even is a formal process for that.
Ilya Ibrahimovic well an election with term limits wouldn’t be a bad thing. Seems to me like having one guy appoint all these people would mean he wouldn’t appoint anyone who would oppose him.
@@mjtechnoviking44 That's not what I meant. People have talked about alternative setups for a long time. There's a reason none of them materialized, and it has to do with the structure of a democracy being difficult to change - by design. Regardless of what system we might want to change to, the issue is getting it implemented.
Never gets old. 👍
3:07 The kid in the blue jacket is beginning to wonder whether he is at a discussion on legislation or a human roasting.
Jordan Peterson is awesome
Gotta love Peterson, he always ends with his classic "so" :P
'no you are fine' from the chair blew bombs in her heart.
"I have hundreds of pages from dozens of groups filled with thousands of people who disagree with you. How to you square that?"
- " Well, what are they saying?"
"They say, bad things are bad"
- "I also agree that bad things are bad"
...........
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That was pretty funny. Her whole argument was to show his industry disagrees with him, only to show everyone it doesn't.
@Jigov i dont get it, JP is so smart, yet his internet comment section followers have an average iq of 85 and remember only 5 years of history, how come?
Same thing with Einstein, Socrates, and other great minds. It just happens
Sadly, the people in the room who were dumb enough to listen to her probably found that to be a pretty convincing argument. This bill passed. So the people responsible likely have barely enough IQ between the lot of them to carry on competitively in a debate against cauliflower.
Not against eating cauliflower... against an actual head of cauliflower.
An absolute disgrace.
@@CrzyLion can you please be more specific? His internet comment section followers have an IQ of 85 and only remember 5 years of history.
Where did you find this group of people? How did you assess their IQ as 85? How did you arrive at the conclusion that they can only remember 5 years of history?
Ironically, this is your response against someone who feels that communists are steeped in demagogy. Are you perchance a communist? Are you trying to prove him right?
@@eschelar do u think calling people stupid is demagogy? same way jp fans seem to think theres communists hiding in trashcans despite communism being dead and buried in the west. its dumb as fuck and these comments are the reason people look down on jp "oh look at his fans, frustrated young little male virgins, jp must be alt right"
"ah shit should've taken that stats course" Ratna Omidvar
Thank you, come again.
Like we have the “Hitch-Slap” I think we should have a term call the “Peet-Slap” for situations just as this one
PETERSONNIHILATION!!!
@@eschelar ....we'll put that on the shortlist 😊
"he/she/it/xyz pronoun was sent over the Jordan!"
@Friday’s are cool I don't think they would need to. Both Jordan and Chris were able to handle their shit and get along with people with whom they had some disagreements. It's only the mentally weak who cannot. I believe they would find a great deal of mutual respect.
HE'S BACK!!
Absolutely destroyed her, Come back Mr Peterson. The world needs more Men like you.
He was on his daughter's podcast last week.
Like A Boss!
I love this guy.
This could only be bettered if at the end there was a voice over from Mortal Combat announcing "Flawless Victory!"
Love the reaction on the face of the bowtie boy. Not sure what pushed his button but his frown is telling.
Poor Ratina had the "I'm so out of my league right now" look in her face .....
Jordan ❤️🙏
I love how the guy in the blue blazer had a hard time understanding what jordan was saying near the end of his answer.
I'm almost speechless.
God damn! Nice work Jordan!
LIKE A BOSS!
CRUSHED
We need this man on the front lines more than ever these days ...
My hero
Why do I find it so uneasy that clueless people are put in positions of power, and why are they put in positions of power?
Sex
Cause decently thinking people don't want to deal with clueless corrupt people with nothing but agenda that currently occupy higher position, would go mad.
We smart people go into business, leaving the power of politics to the bottom tier business people and most corrupt people
I have finally come to the conclusion that clueless are put into office by even more clueless people and all of them far outnumber the rest of us!!!
people vote them in.
Worth respecting the woman for being fairly level-headed and well-intended, only misadvised. This is what such forums are all about - exchanging ideas! Always come at this stuff from a place of kindness and compassion. Too many of us around this time (2017) myself included couldn't resist a certain smug superiority of smashing through with FACTS and LOGIC.
Blue Angel exactly,
I wish I could hear it.
You love to see it.
What a man
It could take 50,000 years for her to get close to his level of thinking. If I were there I would have been cheering after his return serve! Bravo!
like a boss
My god she got absolutely torched
We don't need politicians anymore we need leaders.
That's a home run.
She was overwhelmed with logic.
Damn, that's some heavy roasting; like a slippery eel that tried to worm itself outside the pan before realizing there was fire waiting.
Affirmative action at work
Peterson for some sort of advisory role in Canadian parliament please
I love how the first thing she did was make an appeal to authority.
As if humans aren't fallible lol.
Did I witness a murder?
She basically loaded a gun and gave it to him.
As an Indian-American, I would like to boldly assume the position of representative of Indians/Indian Origin folks and excommunicate her from our ranks. Perhaps the Pakistanis or the Bangladeshis will be so kind as to take her in?
Jordan Peterson is magnificent! If you are going to challenge him you had better be well prepared. Ratna Omidvar was not. It is unfortunate that Jordan’s arguments, which he beautifully articulates, will probably not change any minds - including that of Senator Omidvar. I do not question her sincerity. I question her vision.
Wanna see the DISC in action?
Savage!
The video cut off after 3:35, but for those who are interested, the words after "So" were "So stick that in your pipe and smoke it"
Legend says she is still recovering from this steam roll accident.
lol
This video should have the subtitle (Argumentum ad verecundiam). In brackets.
a truly intelligent man is monster dangerous
Game, set and match.
His argument was so eloquently put, but I feel like it went over 95% of their heads
Intelligence is a beautiful sight.
Lovit!
I think the people in the background deserve some sort of stoicism award.
If I was in that crowd my mouth would have gone slack for a moment, followed by a very loud “DAAAAAAAAAM SON!”
Wishing Dr. Peterson a speedy and complete recovery.
She gave the staredown of the century when he said, “No, go ahead.” She’s like dont you remember the safety stare we talked about before OG Peterson came in the room?! This is it!
Rekt
they oppose him but can't argue with him.
And so it began
Jordan Peterson:
sjw’s when they stumble upon his common sense: 3:11
It's pretty satisfying 😅
anyone know whatever happend to C-16? did it get passed? I havnt heard anything of it since all of tis went down
Another thing that bugs me is how people don't understand the difference between necessary and sufficient clauses. And... how idiots think correlation = causal relationship.
She was made an example of...
Damn... That was some legit democracy right there.
Mr. Jordan you of all people should know that there is no cure for stupidity no matter where it shows up.
who else paid more attention to the woman behind on the right hoping to see a quick flash of her you know what, rather than the mute with the questions
And I don't think she understood a word he said
Is it just me or is the guy on Peterson's left in the blue suit the same guy who gave the most epic reaction on xfactor
Where’s the rest?
It is a lost cause trying to explain something to those people. They end up becoming politics because there is no room for them in the world of ideas and reasoning
Beautiful. Fucking beautiful.
This shit is historic
BOOM ! Mic Drop....