@@toooldfortwowheels2048 I had a similar thing happen last year, fell off and snapped my ankle right AFTER the trail was done. That's why I wear as much protection as possible on ever ride now. You never know what'll catch you out..
Open face when I’m riding something I’ve already ridden and/or I’m comfortable, full face when it’s something that sketches me out and/or it’s cold out haha.
I use the Bell 3r with the removable chin bar. Super handy to have for if I wanted to film on the chin, but then if you have a massive climb I can unclip and store it on my pack! Ideal really! 🤙
I've just bought the Bell and looking forward to trying it, i go on long distance solo rides in the Highlands and having that extra protection provides me with some comfort.
I like the feeling of the added protection, and I live in Alberta, so full face is warmer. I like the look of the full face as well, a lot of the helmets out there look like you have a fruitcake on your head with a strap. Kinda ruins the look of a cool looking bike, where as, full face adds to the visual impact. My full face is a perfect fit, and I just put it on, and go. No strap. It will only come off, if I pull it off. Also, I've noticed that with the full face, it has the feeling of being inside a fighter cockpit, and I kinda like that.
I love the feeling of a full face helmet too, but on longer, more mellow days it’s hard to justify one. Your helmet will come off quite quickly in a proper crash without a strap, I’ve seen it happen before. Not preaching, just saying.
@@nhodorek I removed it. I only use it in the winter. I dont wear a helmet otherwise. I dont do double black diamond trails. I ride to the store and the park. I've been riding for over 47yrs without a helmet, most people just started wearing them a few years ago. When I was growing up, no one wore helmets. My choice, and none of the people I grew up with were ever seriously injured while riding a bicycle. I'm not saying it dosent happen, I suppose jet engines fall out of the sky and hit people as well....I'm good.
Well done with the product reviews, so much harder than riding, I've always been a fan of Troy Lee, so much so that I run an A2 DECOY as an open face option and the STAGE as a full face, I recently bought the Met Parachute as it was discounted to £190, it's a solid piece of kit as a full face option but like yourself, it just doesn't feel balanced as an open face lid and this is exaggerated when you're on the bike, as a bike park option it's great so for me it's a one trick pony and it's not great value at the RRP of £300.
Thanks Gavin, your right, it is harder to do this style of video over a standard ride video. I tried the Stage on and really liked it, but the coin bar isn’t great for mounting a camera onto. You got a better price on in the Parachute than me, I bought mine shortly after they came out though. It’s almost good to hear that you have the same issues as me, even if it’s just so that I know that I’m not alone.
Full face... You don't mess with your face, everyone's confident on the trails wearing an open face. My question is, how confident will you be with a sideways nose and missing teeth? Yeah, I'm all set. People can make fun of me for being "over geared".
Great Stuff buddy I like my POC tectal 👌🚴 need get a full face Next 👌 just had a Ergon ba3 evo backpack to go with my Ebike to Carry my Spare battery 👌🚴 😜 👍
I've read that fox proframe is too fragile, some have crashed and the chin bar snapped. 😕I haven't tried it. But my helmet Fox RPC is 3 years old so best to replace it i think.
I don't think I would go for any of these, I am looking for a full face, ut still not sure but availability is limited in Norway, but I might order from international store, I will take a look agian. But this is a great review.
Have you the same utilisation between the endura and the met? Do you use the chin bar really often with the parachute ? And finally, for long run with uphill and technical downhill, do you think the endura or the proframe is possible?
I film my POV videos from the chin bar of my helmets so prominently use full face mode. I tend to opt for the Endura in that case. Have a look at the new Kali Invader helmet, I would say that it is a genuine full face that you can wear all day long.
@@McTrailRider thanx! I've read some reviews from the kali invader, but i'm interrested by the ixs trigger ( better breathability) . Im hesitate with the super air too!!
The Trigger looks less breathable judging by the pictures, obviously still worth a try though. I can’t speak highly enough of the Kali tbh, well, excluding the looks 😜
Are there any decent quality convertible helmets for around 100 eur? Only thing I find are in the 60 - 70 eur segment that are really poor quality chinese helmets.
I got one of Endura's cheaper helmets, a Singletrack 2. It's nothing short of shoddy to be honest. From new the visor didn't fit properly, the straps are rubbish and it was overall poorly finished. That didn't bother me too much as I bought it to protect my head. But at a month old the adjuster system totally failed on a rough descent and undid itself, the helmet fell forward onto my face blocking my vision and I went off the trail. I'm asking for a full refund, don't want to take a chance on another one.
I have an dirt bike 1080g helmet. I want to Dremel aeration holes/ weight savers. Motorcycle helmet are 100mph+ ready do you think I take a big risk messing with the helmet structural rigidity at these low speeds (I m not downhill omg just pretty fast xtc
I would strongly advise against altering any helmet in any way to be honest. They look simple enough, but they are more intricate than you would perhaps expect.
There are so many variables that I couldn’t tell you for sure. Best to try one as many as you can, and go for the one that feels the most comfortable and makes you feel safe.
I'm 40, got part of my upper mandible and tooth knocked out riding road when my face hit a pedestrians head.... imagine what you could do hitting a tree? My front wheel burped on a blue trail going 20mph, blew my clavicle into 9 pieces. Long story short; full face, all day, Fox Proframe, weighs almost as little as an open face, ventilation is spot on. I wear an open face when commuting, it's a 2 mile bimble into work, riding down a trail at speed, I want something on my face. I think one of the new "half face" lids like the Fox Dropframe might still keep me feeling sufficiently protected, hopefully test one this year, all being well.
Ouch! It’s usually when you least expect it, isn’t it. I wear a full face about 95% of the time I reckon, if not more. I did enjoy my Girl switchblade without the coin bar on though.
@@McTrailRider I WAS going to be my cheeky self and ask what was the brown helmet you were wearing at the beginning of vid...but I won't..as I work for ambulance service and I'm tired. 😆😆😆
What about fox proframe? I actually have the switchblade and love it but I tend to use it a fullface because the descends here are short and you are constantly up and down in the mountains
@@McTrailRider I am not gonna get one that's for sure after reading about several people's experiences with them, chin bar is too weak it seems. But looks well ventilated, but as fast as I go, I don't want to risk it., I've read similar stories about Troy Lee Stage, both of these helmets are easy to get for me, I can have one in 2 days at the post pickup point, but not interested in those, they did not seem like what I was looking for but if those stories are true it defenitly is not for me.
I have just bought the same Endura full face helmet - do you wear it on the climbs or clip it on somewhere? I usually ride with a small backpack for my hydration pack and essential tools etc. If you clip it on, do you use something to stop it swinging about or just use the cording on the back pack? Great video as always!
How do you mount the gopro on the chinbar of the met? Ive got one but mounting a gopro doesnt seem ideal because of the position of the front vent so ive stuck to the chest mount until now.
@@McTrailRider Honestly - not sure what I expected but its that "seeing someone out of uniform" effect that suddenly makes someone look so different. Does that make sense? Also, I use an Open Face for family rides and recently bought a 7iDP Full Face for trail type stuff. A little bit of extra assurance for when shit goes wrong.
I actually paid £170 for it. I know I could have got it cheaper online but I spent almost an hour in the shop trying on loads of different helmets, so I thought it would be massively cheeky of me to then leave and order it online. Having said that even now, almost a year on, you can’t get this size and colour that much cheaper, maybe 20-30 pounds cheaper. The race spin is more expensive than this one, it retail’s at £200.
Yes, of course you can get deals on them, but the helmet isn’t a cheaper helmet. If you could send me a link for a good deal on my particular helmet, that would be great 👍
@@McTrailRider I use the fox speedframe pro. In my opinion fits better than the tectal. I had a tectal and sold it after a month. The fox helmet is far better.
While I definitely got the framing wrong on the main shot, but you can still see the helmets in great detail in all the b roll video that I play throughout.
@@barrymccluskey4616 no worries. one of the main reasons I've been wearing the same helmet for years is that it fits me. Have a look at the Leatt range. Their 360 ̊ Turbine Technology is super comfy.
@@McTrailRider was watching a couple reviews on the helmet and was not going to buy it as it didn’t have mips but after watching some reviews and looking at comments it’s apparently there take on mips. It was something to do with the koroyd tubes which helped reduced rotational forces like mips.
@@McTrailRider sweet, I'll check that out if possible. I like thw looknof kali opennface lids ive seen on youtube vids from the states. Seem popular over there....
@@McTrailRider am I right in thinking that the Kali only conforms to the very basic standard protection ratings and doesn't have the DH rating? Reading the review, they class it as an Freeride/DH Helmet too! 😱
@@McTrailRider totally get that, however, if you're marketing it as a freeride/DH Helmet (as is the case on Bikester at least) then surely you'd want to make sure that your product is rated as such...right??? Or is that me being to much of an stuck in the mud...do I need to 'get with the times...maaannnnn' or something ? 😂
Nice vid Andy . I have had a poc tectal for about 2 years great helmet so light and comfortable , last year brought a fox pro frame at a great price feels light and comfortable but not had chance to use it yet
Full face! Even on the easier rides. It's always the mundane things that catch you off guard and end up sending you to the hospital...
Unfortunately that’s very accurate
Shattered my shoulder last March AFTER finishing a red route, literally just on the flat trail on the way out, front tyre burped off the rim.
@@toooldfortwowheels2048 I had a similar thing happen last year, fell off and snapped my ankle right AFTER the trail was done. That's why I wear as much protection as possible on ever ride now. You never know what'll catch you out..
I try to teach my boy this all the time when it comes to safety equipment.
I ride a full suspension xc as an Enduro
I had an accident and cut my chin open... That's why I'm getting a full face one lol
Open face when I’m riding something I’ve already ridden and/or I’m comfortable, full face when it’s something that sketches me out and/or it’s cold out haha.
That makes sense 👍
full face - covers up my mug more lol full face when I'm out riding without the kids; open face with the kids.
All true 😂😂
Im here looking for fullface/convertible after crasching this weekend and lost at least four teeth ... don´t crash into stones ;)
Solid advice 😜
Full face most of the time for me due to the chin cam setup, i've kinda got used to it even in hot weather now, great vid andrew 👍
Yeah, your in the same boat as me really, I’m chasing something that can’t be caught 😆
I use the Bell 3r with the removable chin bar. Super handy to have for if I wanted to film on the chin, but then if you have a massive climb I can unclip and store it on my pack! Ideal really! 🤙
I’ve yet to try one even although it’s an extremely popular choice.
@@McTrailRider good helmet, but I have been contemplating changing to the met you use 🤔
TrailRiderMTB it’s a fantastic helmet, well built and quiet which is important for when filming. I’ve heard the older Bell is a little creaky.
I've just bought the Bell and looking forward to trying it, i go on long distance solo rides in the Highlands and having that extra protection provides me with some comfort.
I like the feeling of the added protection, and I live in Alberta, so full face is warmer. I like the look of the full face as well, a lot of the helmets out there look like you have a fruitcake on your head with a strap. Kinda ruins the look of a cool looking bike, where as, full face adds to the visual impact. My full face is a perfect fit, and I just put it on, and go. No strap. It will only come off, if I pull it off. Also, I've noticed that with the full face, it has the feeling of being inside a fighter cockpit, and I kinda like that.
I love the feeling of a full face helmet too, but on longer, more mellow days it’s hard to justify one.
Your helmet will come off quite quickly in a proper crash without a strap, I’ve seen it happen before. Not preaching, just saying.
@@McTrailRider I've crashed a few times. It didnt come off.
@@steveharrigan7811 why not just clip it? It takes 2.5 seconds
@@nhodorek I removed it. I only use it in the winter. I dont wear a helmet otherwise. I dont do double black diamond trails. I ride to the store and the park. I've been riding for over 47yrs without a helmet, most people just started wearing them a few years ago. When I was growing up, no one wore helmets. My choice, and none of the people I grew up with were ever seriously injured while riding a bicycle. I'm not saying it dosent happen, I suppose jet engines fall out of the sky and hit people as well....I'm good.
Well done with the product reviews, so much harder than riding, I've always been a fan of Troy Lee, so much so that I run an A2 DECOY as an open face option and the STAGE as a full face, I recently bought the Met Parachute as it was discounted to £190, it's a solid piece of kit as a full face option but like yourself, it just doesn't feel balanced as an open face lid and this is exaggerated when you're on the bike, as a bike park option it's great so for me it's a one trick pony and it's not great value at the RRP of £300.
Thanks Gavin, your right, it is harder to do this style of video over a standard ride video.
I tried the Stage on and really liked it, but the coin bar isn’t great for mounting a camera onto.
You got a better price on in the Parachute than me, I bought mine shortly after they came out though.
It’s almost good to hear that you have the same issues as me, even if it’s just so that I know that I’m not alone.
Full face... You don't mess with your face, everyone's confident on the trails wearing an open face. My question is, how confident will you be with a sideways nose and missing teeth? Yeah, I'm all set. People can make fun of me for being "over geared".
I hear ya
Good to hear your views on MIPS; not over awed by the frankly ridiculous hype.
It’s a bit of a buzz word. Don’t get me wrong, it is a good thing and better to have it than not, but not essential.
The poc tectal "spin" variant has poc's mips equivalent protection, otherwise same helmet
I have since learned about the “spin” feature, I had no idea when making this video 😳
Great Stuff buddy I like my POC tectal 👌🚴 need get a full face Next 👌 just had a Ergon ba3 evo backpack to go with my Ebike to Carry my Spare battery 👌🚴 😜 👍
Full face is of course the safer option 👍 Good idea with the bag.
Interesting look at your different options Andrew.
Cheers Mark
I've read that fox proframe is too fragile, some have crashed and the chin bar snapped. 😕I haven't tried it. But my helmet Fox RPC is 3 years old so best to replace it i think.
I think fullface is the safest regardless of what kind of ride you're doing. Better safe that sorry man
Of course a full face is the safest, but it’s not always the most practical for all scenarios.
Tell your camera man to get you and the item your promoting fully in the picture at all times 👍
you dont do enough if these indoor/sat at table reviews Andrew .
I don’t, but then again when I do, nobody seems to watch them 😔
@@McTrailRider I will 👌
I only ride full face if I’m trying new stuff and park rides but half shell is the usual go to due to ventilation is better
Makes sense
you pay more with the pound then we do with the dollar. we pay way less then you. by 100 in most cases
This video is 4 years old, and I was quoting the full retail prices for each helmet.
Also, it’s than, not then.
Whatever isn't 300 frckin dollars lol
Plenty of cheaper options out there and sales on regularly 👍
I don't think I would go for any of these, I am looking for a full face, ut still not sure but availability is limited in Norway, but I might order from international store, I will take a look agian. But this is a great review.
Have you the same utilisation between the endura and the met?
Do you use the chin bar really often with the parachute ?
And finally, for long run with uphill and technical downhill, do you think the endura or the proframe is possible?
I film my POV videos from the chin bar of my helmets so prominently use full face mode. I tend to opt for the Endura in that case.
Have a look at the new Kali Invader helmet, I would say that it is a genuine full face that you can wear all day long.
@@McTrailRider thanx! I've read some reviews from the kali invader, but i'm interrested by the ixs trigger ( better breathability) .
Im hesitate with the super air too!!
The Trigger looks less breathable judging by the pictures, obviously still worth a try though.
I can’t speak highly enough of the Kali tbh, well, excluding the looks 😜
Try the Giro, comfortable and feels like a proper helmet
I had the switchblade for a long time and absolutely loved it, so much so, I’ve just bought another one.
Only compliant is it can get hot.
Are there any decent quality convertible helmets for around 100 eur? Only thing I find are in the 60 - 70 eur segment that are really poor quality chinese helmets.
I don’t know any in that price range I’m afraid, they are all quite expensive.
Got the endura mt500 brand new for 92 pounds on Black Friday over the moon with getting it for that price motocard sells it in stock for 118 pound
Now that’s a deal! 👍
I got one of Endura's cheaper helmets, a Singletrack 2. It's nothing short of shoddy to be honest. From new the visor didn't fit properly, the straps are rubbish and it was overall poorly finished. That didn't bother me too much as I bought it to protect my head. But at a month old the adjuster system totally failed on a rough descent and undid itself, the helmet fell forward onto my face blocking my vision and I went off the trail. I'm asking for a full refund, don't want to take a chance on another one.
I must admit, the MT500 isn’t that great, I stopped using it pretty quickly. Their clothes do seem to be much better though.
I have an dirt bike 1080g helmet. I want to Dremel aeration holes/ weight savers. Motorcycle helmet are 100mph+ ready do you think I take a big risk messing with the helmet structural rigidity at these low speeds (I m not downhill omg just pretty fast xtc
I would strongly advise against altering any helmet in any way to be honest. They look simple enough, but they are more intricate than you would perhaps expect.
Amazing these are more than my motorcycle helmet.
You better upgrade your motorcycle helmet, then. And punctuation.
@@impact0r Increases price does not mean more safety
@@Shane101A Correct. But increase in safety usually means increase in price.
Hi just got to your channel picked a specialized rockhopper for Christmas would u recommend a helmet
There are so many variables that I couldn’t tell you for sure.
Best to try one as many as you can, and go for the one that feels the most comfortable and makes you feel safe.
The cheek pads on the Endura MT500 are attached with Velcro, so you can position them where they are comfortable & fit you best.
I’m aware, but it didn’t really make too much difference for me.
I'm 40, got part of my upper mandible and tooth knocked out riding road when my face hit a pedestrians head.... imagine what you could do hitting a tree? My front wheel burped on a blue trail going 20mph, blew my clavicle into 9 pieces. Long story short; full face, all day, Fox Proframe, weighs almost as little as an open face, ventilation is spot on.
I wear an open face when commuting, it's a 2 mile bimble into work, riding down a trail at speed, I want something on my face. I think one of the new "half face" lids like the Fox Dropframe might still keep me feeling sufficiently protected, hopefully test one this year, all being well.
Ouch! It’s usually when you least expect it, isn’t it.
I wear a full face about 95% of the time I reckon, if not more. I did enjoy my Girl switchblade without the coin bar on though.
More of this type of content Andy, it works really well.
I may have to with this Coronavirus.
@@McTrailRider I WAS going to be my cheeky self and ask what was the brown helmet you were wearing at the beginning of vid...but I won't..as I work for ambulance service and I'm tired. 😆😆😆
What about fox proframe? I actually have the switchblade and love it but I tend to use it a fullface because the descends here are short and you are constantly up and down in the mountains
The Fox ProFrame is a very good helmet, used one for a long time. I’ve replaced mine with a Kali Invader and excluding the looks, I prefer the Kali.
@@McTrailRider I am not gonna get one that's for sure after reading about several people's experiences with them, chin bar is too weak it seems. But looks well ventilated, but as fast as I go, I don't want to risk it., I've read similar stories about Troy Lee Stage, both of these helmets are easy to get for me, I can have one in 2 days at the post pickup point, but not interested in those, they did not seem like what I was looking for but if those stories are true it defenitly is not for me.
I have just bought the same Endura full face helmet - do you wear it on the climbs or clip it on somewhere? I usually ride with a small backpack for my hydration pack and essential tools etc. If you clip it on, do you use something to stop it swinging about or just use the cording on the back pack? Great video as always!
I actually rarely use that helmet now, but when I did, I would just slide it over the handlebar for the climb if it was an easy road.
Thanks @@McTrailRider ! Would be a bit of a ball ache on long single track climbs in the summer but I suppose safety comes first!
How do you mount the gopro on the chinbar of the met? Ive got one but mounting a gopro doesnt seem ideal because of the position of the front vent so ive stuck to the chest mount until now.
This is probably your best option
gnartec.com/product/draft-360-rotational-action-cam-mount/
@@McTrailRider looks good, cheers for replying 👍
Nice video,i did buy bell second generation convertible helmet,new and half the price last November
Nice! gotta love a deal👍
Good reveiw, not consider a full face. You do something on trousers I don't know which one to pick.
I just recently got Endura MT500 trousers which are excellent but far from waterproof😢
We don’t see nothing man, the camera is too high 👎
I’ll make sure you get a full refund then
*Most people* - "Neat, cool review."
*Me* - "Holy shit! That's what his hair looks like!"
Not what you expected?
@@McTrailRider Honestly - not sure what I expected but its that "seeing someone out of uniform" effect that suddenly makes someone look so different. Does that make sense?
Also, I use an Open Face for family rides and recently bought a 7iDP Full Face for trail type stuff. A little bit of extra assurance for when shit goes wrong.
Most people - "I don't care what his hair looks like". Is more accurate
You paid £180 for a poc tectal ? The race spin is even cheaper than that. Shop saw you coming mate.
I actually paid £170 for it. I know I could have got it cheaper online but I spent almost an hour in the shop trying on loads of different helmets, so I thought it would be massively cheeky of me to then leave and order it online.
Having said that even now, almost a year on, you can’t get this size and colour that much cheaper, maybe 20-30 pounds cheaper.
The race spin is more expensive than this one, it retail’s at £200.
@@McTrailRider lol mate check wiggle and chainreaction. The race spin is £169.
Yes, of course you can get deals on them, but the helmet isn’t a cheaper helmet.
If you could send me a link for a good deal on my particular helmet, that would be great 👍
@@McTrailRider might not be the colour you have but still cheap
@@McTrailRider I use the fox speedframe pro. In my opinion fits better than the tectal. I had a tectal and sold it after a month. The fox helmet is far better.
I can't see the helmets. Can this video be made over, just without a foot of dead-space above this dude. The helmets out out of frame.
While I definitely got the framing wrong on the main shot, but you can still see the helmets in great detail in all the b roll video that I play throughout.
@@McTrailRider you should have told this guy straight that he’s a prick great video don’t let people like this waste your time
Just in time Andrew been looking at new helmets recently torn between met parachute. Giro switblade. Bell super 3r any recommendations thanks
which ever one fits the best is where you should start
It all comes down to fit right enough. The Switchblade does get hot though.
Add the Kali Invader to the mix, that’s what I’ve ended up getting.
Thanks very much guys love both your channels will have a look at that one and will hold off till can get out and try them on thanks again 👍
@@barrymccluskey4616 no worries. one of the main reasons I've been wearing the same helmet for years is that it fits me. Have a look at the Leatt range. Their 360 ̊ Turbine Technology is super comfy.
Also the straws are there take on mips
Take on MIPS? Do they have rotational properties?
@@McTrailRider was watching a couple reviews on the helmet and was not going to buy it as it didn’t have mips but after watching some reviews and looking at comments it’s apparently there take on mips. It was something to do with the koroyd tubes which helped reduced rotational forces like mips.
Do you prefer the proframe or the endura Andrew. Im looking at these and the stage...
I preferred the Fox to be honest. Can I add the Kali Invader to the mix, that’s what I’m on now🙄
@@McTrailRider sweet, I'll check that out if possible. I like thw looknof kali opennface lids ive seen on youtube vids from the states. Seem popular over there....
@@McTrailRider am I right in thinking that the Kali only conforms to the very basic standard protection ratings and doesn't have the DH rating?
Reading the review, they class it as an Freeride/DH Helmet too! 😱
@@weedfreer I haven’t looked properly to be honest. It certainly doesn’t appear to be as heavy duty, which is both a pro and a con.
@@McTrailRider totally get that, however, if you're marketing it as a freeride/DH Helmet (as is the case on Bikester at least) then surely you'd want to make sure that your product is rated as such...right???
Or is that me being to much of an stuck in the mud...do I need to 'get with the times...maaannnnn' or something ?
😂
I got POC because you did
Nice! You happy with it?
Yes I love it thanks
I just have a grio open face
As long as you wear a helmet, it’s all good 👍
@@McTrailRider yip
Nice vid Andy . I have had a poc tectal for about 2 years great helmet so light and comfortable , last year brought a fox pro frame at a great price feels light and comfortable but not had chance to use it yet
The Fox is excellent, I would have another in a heartbeat 👍
Fix your camera next time that way you're better centered.
The camera angle is way to high, good review tho
Yeah, it is a little high 🤦🏼♂️