Stock Harleys are fast enough to do what the bikes are designed for--good handling, large cruiser bikes. To me, the cost for getting a little more power far exceeds the benefits. I always have found stock Harleys fast enough for me. Just sayin'.
....and the majority won't work on my Evo.....which is a good thing, I prefer to do my own work for the most part. The only Screamin Eagle part I have is the ignition m bike came with when I bought it...used.
Yep me too, I freeking hate anyone working on my machines..my favorite line is oh, I know how to do this. As they start taking crap apart that doesn't need to be touched um 😮
honestly i don't get why people think they need to soup up their harleys. i've owned everything from liter super sport bikes to vmaxes to 50cc scooters. my nearly 20 year old stock road king has plenty of grunt and speed. more than enough to put a smile on my face every time i take it out.
Not too many S/E parts in bikes that are running in my circles down here in New Zealand. We tend to squeeze the best out of what we have mainly because we're ingenious, we're at the bottom of the globe (making shipping expensive), our gas is crap and our dollar only buys about 60c US. Mainly... it's a cam change, intake, exhaust and tune but you do get the occasional situation where the owner goes all out but it's rare. For my bike (a mild-mannered 2007 W/g) I managed to obtain a new 103ci kit for a good price (old stock) and, as an engine builder by trade, did everything myself except the tune-up. I pocket ported the heads, did a multi-angle valve job, took a lick off the heads, used thinner Cometic head gaskets, fitted decompression valves, slipped in some Andrews cams then took it to the dyno for the final tune. It runs great, overtakes with ease (with a 30/70 final drive pulleys) and is well suited to our twisty, lumpy 3rd world roads. (Ohlins are a must in this country.) Screaming Eagle? Who needs it? We have Clever Kiwi.
Even before the EPA got so absurd, SE parts were less desirable in my opinion. The typical scenario used to be, customer buys new bike then realizes it doesn't really look like or perform like they thought it would. Customer hits one of the forums and asks advice about how to get better performance. Customer gets solid advice about what aftermarket parts and what mods to do to get the performance customer should have gotten from the factory. Customer then balks at aftermarket parts because customer doesn't want to void his factory warranty. So customer ultimately buys SE parts and, for a while enjoys the new performance improvement. Customer quickly realizes that his expensive dealer installed SE parts aren't resulting in the performance he was expecting and he is still getting regular ass kickings by his buddy's bike(s). Customer then goes back to forums and wonders about a different cam, or different tuner (my personal favorite), or different exhaust, etc, etc. Customer once again is given solid advice by other forum members. Customer then realizes warranty is almost up and so takes another expensive plunge, this time heeding the advice of those on the forum(s) who had tried to advise him.....twice, and pays more money for the recommended aftermarket parts and independent shop installation and tune.Customer posts a much improved dyno sheet on the forum(s) and posts that he is now finally happy with the performance and never posts on the forum(s) again.
I tell my Bro this all the time. He finally looked at his receipts and was stunned he had spent 50% more on his motor than buying one. I told him labor would eat his lunch and offered to put the parts on it for a cold beer but he opted to have the dealership install them and now he walks funny. Always holding his butt cheeks after he gets his bike back...😂😂😂
I alwa😢enjoy your videos. I took your advice a couple of years ago 2016 Road glide ultra woods 222 cams, Fueling oil pump, Bassani headers, S&S air cycle unit and Thundermax tuner. It woke the bike up and I’m very pleased with the results. Thank you again. The bike pulls to the moon. You helped me save time and frustration with your advice
99.999 % of all cars on the road are stock engines. The stock Harley runs fine and fast enough. You don't need to get caught up in the speed game. It's costly and usually not as dependable as stock. People have been traveling America with Harley long before 1949 Hydra glide but that bike made it real comfortable. The Hydra glide made about 55HP and it was enough for 2 up and travel in America.
@@wanaraz I get you and you’re not wrong, but part of the fun of having a Harley is making it the way you want it. As far as performance it is a shame like the video author says that you have to do so much to get it where it should be out of the box.
I hate getting stomped by a Honda Goldwing, pulling away from a light! Absolutely they should make at least the same power as competing bikes, without the stupid CVO/Screamjng Eagle price tag
Never had the urge to buy SE parts. I'm happy putting around the countryside by myself on my stock bike. It's my decompression chamber. If I wanted speed, I'd buy a bike designed for setting my hair on fire.
Any HD bike is fast enough for everyday use, even the stock 883 Sportster is fun to ride and enjoy life. The desire to be special, faster, more noticeable is embedded in the DNA of people, and HD marketers use it perfectly to make money.
2012 Ultra Limited 103. It does what I need. It can do the speed limit, hell I'm 73 yo. The 103 is like the Chevy 350, it just does it's job...If I do anything to it, it will be S&S...
I have been bit hard in the past once a little bit and once to the tune of a 113 Pro Race Kit on a 96. Parts that should have been upgraded weren’t and I had several of the common failures you have talked about but unfortunately I didn’t have facebook. I am a retired mechanic and have worked for Harley Davidson long ago and hadn’t caught up with things. I learned quickly but it cost 💲 me. Great videos. Now it’s after market for me. Thank you.
I know a famous Harley engine builder who uses Screaming Eagle adjustable push rods instead of S&S or other brands. He swears the SE ones are the best and strongest of any of them.
When you been crafting for a long time you find what works and what doesn't. I am not going to knock a craftsman's choice. I like SE high compression pistons. I can't prove it other than l like the results and they work 🤷♂️.
If your a man, buy tools and a service manual an do the work yourself. Unless your a doofuss you cant screw it up any worse then they can. And you save labor charges. And a lot of shops/dealers will break your shit then call you up an say " while we were in there we found something else wrong."
My first Harley was an ‘03 Dyna Low Rider with an 88ci TC. I thought there was something wrong with the engine. It was a dog. Then I was told I have to do a ‘Stage 1”. Welcome to the world of upgrades. Not satisfied, as the guy I rode with would always leave me in the dust, I found out he did a cam swap. Did that and the bike not only ran right, but rode better. It was all HD parts. Then I found out about the world of aftermarket parts. What a rabbit hole. As I’ve mentioned before, my ‘14 SGS is a perfect blend. Stock frame, gas tank, rims, barrels and pistons. Everything else swapped out. The Woods 222 is my favorite swap along with the heads. Never miss a chance to put the numbers up: 103hp and 116ft/lbs of torques. ❤ Next is the front and rear suspension. I admit, I love doing the customizing on the bike. Definitely made it my own. Another great video! Thanks.
The problem isn’t the Screaming Eagle parts, it’s that the EPA has made it so difficult to tune so that you can utilize the parts utilizing most aftermarket tuners, however you can still dyno tune…
I put slip on TAB Performance pipes on and told the store they could skip the SE Tuner after I watched your episode on O2 sensors and the factory settings from the bikes CPU can make the adjustments. You saved me $400 plus labor. Thanks
I have a 2011 Harley Ultra Limited. When I bought it, the previous owner had installed Screaming Eagle stage I and RC Components Excalibur slip on exhausts. During Covid, I installed Wood Performance TW222 cams, S&S high flow oil pump, S&S rocker arms and lifters. I got it tuned at Harley because it was close to my house but otherwise, I don't use HD parts.....too expensive.
I have a 2014 CVO Breakout with the Screamin' Eagle 110. It doesnt feel like a scam to me. It feels like it has significantly more torque than my TC103 had but it also wants to run much hotter. I had to add an oil cooler to it my first summer.
I'll admit I fell for it too. Blank canvas for the price of a painting. Yeah I was a sucker. "Premium motorcycle" what is the biggest lie Harley-Davidson ever told. The upgraded parts should absolutely be on there already if they consider themselves a premium motorcycle. Harley-Davidson is the only motor company in the world that the customers pay for the fixes instead of a recall.
Purchased a set of Screamin' Eagle slip-on mufflers for my 2007 Fatboy purchased in 2006, due to no aftermarket mufflers available for the redesigned Fatboy. The slip-ons had a 90 day warranty. The fiberglass inside the mufflers started coming out between the baffle and outer housing in 98 days. Dealership would not warranty them, because the warranty period had passed by 8 days.
I've been riding for 52 years. Started on Triumphs in the early 70's and now ride a 97 Sportster with a Hammer Performance 1275 kit. I have never, EVER put any bike into a dealership for anything. I do my own work. It's not like Harley engines are super complicated. I don't like full injection on motorcycles, as the 'benefits' are not worth the extra cost IMHO (Carburettors work just fine for street riding and are easier to tune yourself) I'm stunned at the number of riders I meet who don't even do their own oil changes!
Find yourself a good engine builder and get it done right Harley Davidson has a license to steal give it some fuel and let it breath 04 twin cam 88 75,000 miles 95 cubic inch motor Power vision tuner S&S cams , S&S gear to gear S&S heads Original jugs bored out and matched up with pistons Thunderheader exhaust Great Video
My experience with a specific SE part turned almost disastrous. I bought SE rocker arm supports thinking they were more durable and compatible with a new ‘98 big bore kit from FuelMoto. Long story short, after a $1500 U-Haul rental to get my bike home, from Couer d’Alain Idaho to Alberta (Canada), I disassembled the bike and found the rear rocker arm support cracked in three places on the push rod side. The only difference between stock and SE is that the SE support is reinforced on the value side. The pushrod side on the SE is no different from stock. The SE support is made from porous pot metal. I would be ashamed to stamp SE on a poorly designed part like that if I was Harley. Be very cautious when buying Harley SE parts, with the assumption they are better. This experience caused me a lot of grief and stress, not to mention a big drain on my bank account.
I think you are 100% correct. I’ve stayed with HD parts so as not to void my extended warranty. I’ve bought the warranty on 3 bikes and had to use it on each, in each case the warranty coverage pretty much matched what I had paid for it. Sad but true! I fully agree a woods cam will meet or exceed the bump you get from most any stage kit, but that would void the warranty!
Did a screaming eagle stage 4 110ci on my 2015 Ultra last year... The 103ci had bad blow by and dumped all the oil so it was covered by my extended warranty... So I just had to pay out of pocket for the upgrades... $2,300 ? Then I bought a 5 year extended warranty to cover the screaming eagle parts... Noticeably more power and a little louder, and a slight loss in gas mileage/range on a full tank... The only downside was the 80 something days waiting on the cylinders...
Finally, another technical vids comin' up!!! Screw those company policy & management, we're just wanting to know about techs and tips like you used to upload. I've been stuck with SE and another OEM things all this time. Well, I guest i'm gonna looking for some aftermarket things (oil, fast moving parts etc). Salam dari Indonesia 🤟
Are there really so many people who can’t understand why someone would want to hop up their H-D instead of buying a Yamaguzzi? People like their Harleys. When they do a big bore kit, cams, heads, or whatever, they are not comparing it to a Hayabusa. They are comparing it to what they had before they made any changes to it. If you are not able to comprehend that, might I respectfully suggest that at your level of willful ignorance, riding a motorcycle of any type is probably not for you.
2023 fltrxst. 117. Rock stock.. Going to keep it that way as it has more than enough power for the chassis. If I gave in and did a tuner and slip ons I would be at stage 2 as it already has the snorkle and bigger cam. But nope stage 1.5 is fine and being a true air/oil engine it runs soft and low anyway. Put a hard 3500 rpm limit on the top and do most work from 2000 to 3000. Heck, the darn thing will pull at 1800 and has sweet spots at 2400, 2600, 2800, and finally 3200 for the high cruise. Mine is quieter while still thumping as well. Also, dealer installs can have warranty issues after a year. I enjoy my road sofa and enjoy the proper shock height for good cornering.. Nice bike when in its happy place.
You're right about how screamin eagle used to be ok, I've got some old SE 2 mufflers that were too loud to use for early morning starts at home, I've never bought new SE parts though.
I like screaming eagle as they are not to aggressive. want reliability too. Plus we need dealers. they need to make money so good on their marketing. i try to support my local dealer. i have had such a good experience with them. they have had my back on severral problems and came through without any finger pointing.
I have the Screaming Eagle Hi-Flow air filter and slip-ons. After that, I went with the S&S 475 cam chest, Fulsac header and Rinehart slip-ons. Big difference.
I went with the Screamin Eagle tuners on my 2 103 motors. I used aftermarket intake filters and exhausts. I used Screamin Eagle synthetic oils and filters only because of the discount I get using my credit card points. I'm pretty sure that any other brand would be just as good and cheaper!
I ride a 2020 RGL with the 114 M8, that has all the power I need. I have no interest in any SE or aftermarket parts. Never go pass 4K rpm on the engine anyway. Know a lot of people who have mods to the engine and wish they never did. Worse fuel mileage, mechanical issues, and drivability. I'm glad HD doesn't put those parts on straight from the factory.
Here's one of my problems with HD. You buy the bike and add a stage 4. You have almost bought the bike twice, depending on model. Then comes the reliability goodies that are must haves. HD has been doing this for years and devoted customers go for it. If, say if another manufacturer did this, their showrooms would be empty. Devoted HD owners applaud it. What???? I don't even want to think about how much one could spend if they took the modifications one stage at a time. It all gives a new meaning to HD giving you a little more. For those that need to know, I'm an HD owner. Just saying.
Kinda like the "CVO" is just a fancy pretty sticker without the performance enhancement. I got the 2022 Ultra- Limited- Apex instead of the "CVO", saved 10 grand and can remove the tour pack for basically the same look, motor, options. For the cost of installing a stage 4/5, you can buy a used rocket 3 and have 2 bikes, or a fishing boat. Stage 4 = $3850/kit or $8k for a crate motor then you have to add labor- my closest shop is $185/hr.
When I rebuilt my 06 FLH i went to an independent shop with a dyno and put all S&S parts in. An 88 to 100 kit with everything needed. I never considered Harley Parts. When I changed my pipes from stock. I ordered them online did that myself along with a fully programmable Dynojet Power Commander. Rather tgan get scammed by Harley for pipes and a flash... the cost of the download was almost 400 bucks... the power commander was the same price... then I had programmable fuel management to this day. Only thing I need to do now is true duals with oxy bungs and a new fuel management computer to take advantage of that. I think the government will put an end to all this fun if we alliw it though anyway.
I went down this rabbit hole earlier thinking about changing out the plastic lifter collars. I'm still trying to rationalize it to my self to spend $2000 to replace a dollar two ninteyeight part.
I bought the SE stage II for mine, cam, cam plate, bearing, tuner, lifters, push rods, pipes, filter, that's it. My dealer has been in business 70 years, they know what they're doing. When it's all done, I'll let y'all know how it went.
My problem with HD dealers is the little things like 50-dollar t-shirts. The other day I changed the passenger pegs on my soft tail and launched that little BB to god knows where and went to the hardware store to get one. They didn't have one so I went to the dealer to see if they had one. They did. In a two-pack (the ball bearing only not the spring) and it was 5 dollars. Come on man they could have charged me 1 dollar and made money.
This video is exactly why I say miss on HD. I bought a 02 Duece about two years ago. Without knowing about the cam chain tensioner I grabbed the bike up ,needless to say after converting to gear drive with S&S cam chest and oil pump .I feel the bike is considerably more dependable, at least being a 02 I still have the Timken lower end. I've always said the Screamin Eagle stuff should come in the bike to begin with.
I realize this is off topic but..If you was gonna rebuild a 2014 103 HO would you go 110 or stay 103/107 ? My plan is to up compression 10.5 to 1, i already have the wood 777 cams, exhaust and intake.
I like the screamin eagle logo. I agree with you. Anytime screamin eagle is compared to the aftermarket companies, they come up quite short in tq and hp
still use and Love my Screamin Eagle Race Tuner, even before the super tuner came out, You can change everything individually even between the cylinders. timing, injector pulse, fuel ratios, everything, matched to the bike by serial numbers. Awesome tuner, I'm running 13.8 fuel ratio through the entire RPM range, not good mileage, but runs real cool and has tons of power, A 2002 twin cam 88 bumped up to a 95, turning out 106 HP and 107 ft lb tq, its one bad little 95. Unless they are running stage kits or mods, it eats 107's & 114' Milwaukee 8's all day, shows em tail light and they just can't believe it
My boy has a 2011 Road King, stage 4, built up to a 103 with the old Screamin Eagle Super tuner and I can't keep up with him. He was told by his indy shop mechanic to "Never Get Rid of That Tuner!". So, we agree with everything you say in this vid. Hopefully, HD CEO Zeitz will step down and the New CEO will put SE upgrades back to their former glory and NOT concern themselves with the weakened power of the EPA. (BTW, the contacts look good).
Heads up fellas. If a screaming eagle part is installed by anyone other than Harley it has a taillight warranty. I work for a company that administers a lot of Harley warranties in the southeastern US.
Screaming Eagle Evo heads were made by S&S, they just replaced a mold section that had the S&S logo for a S-E logo. A Screaming Eagle Evo cam from a sealed Stage II FI kit was an Andrews EV -27 and marked as such. Some valve train stuff was Jim's. H-D outsources a lot of stuff from the aftermarket manufacturers, it's just got their packaging & logo. And warranty. H-D does kinda stick it to the actual manufacturers. They must sign a confidentiality agreement, and not let it be known who makes what. That last until the next trade show party! At a 50% premium!
I've always been an aftermarket guy. I bought an SE air cleaner for a Sporty 25 years ago. I can't remember anything else. I've always liked the aftermarket stuff better, and it usually seems to be a better value. Also, I have that affliction where I don't want to give Harley any more money than I have to. I buy some repair parts, maintenance stuff, an occasional accessory, but not the SE stuff. I don't hate the parts, I just always like something else better.
My 120R motor is "screaming eagle" with a wood cam. It's got over 25K miles on it and the only repair it's needed was worn cam shoes and a compensator all the internals look great. I felt most comfortable going with a Harley crate motor and so far it's paid off. I expect a lot more miles out of it.
I appreciate your video on this subject. When you think about it after purchasing all these Screamin Eagle products to make your bike more powerful you’re exactly right in that it’s probably cheaper to buy a whole new engine. I have a 2010 Dyna Wide Glide and although I would like to have more power from my TC 96 I can’t really justify the cost. To me it’s more important to spend the money on suspension and a comfortable seat to make it ride better. Yeah my stock TC isn’t going to win many races but it has enough power to get a speeding ticket.
I can't stress enough how important putting money in a suspension and seat is. You can build the meanest, evil motor, but what good is it if you have talk yourself into getting on the bike cause it just sucks to ride. Suspension and seats is so overlooked, yes it's expensive to upgrade and it's not glorious. But, l have never heard anyone, ever, regret spending the money on suspension or a seat.
Still have my 80" evo flhs. Had a cvo vrod, and was disappointed. Bought a 3k mile FZ1 for $6k and couldn't be happier when I feel the need for speed, 0-100 in 5.7 seconds, lol.154 rwhp and 487 lbs wet. Even with my fat ass on it, it is scary fast, power wheelie in first three gears effortlessly., fourth if you push it😂
I agree with you Gixxerfoo! I have never used Screamin' Eagle parts. You get better power for less money with the aftermarket. All you need is Wood, V&H, and S&S and have all the power you could ever want, and for less money!
My problem is that my local dealer will not install anything that isn't Harley Davidson. They even him/hawed around about putting anything other than the exact stock tires back on it. So even if I wanted to pick up some aftermarket Woods Cams or S&S Oil pump, they won't even install it. I even purchased a shotgun shock kit, and they wouldn't install it, telling me they have nothing but problems with those.
I just picked up my 18 limited from H-D dealer last weekend got a stage ll 447 torque cam kit also got a cam plate, High flow oil pump, Cam bearing, Lifters, Push rods all S.E. and a S.E. pro auto tuner with tap performance head pipes cat delete absolutely love how it sounds and ride. I know it’s a EPA compliant but I live in California. I’m a smog technician and there’s so much talk about California might start Smogging Motorcycles! 🤦🏻♂️ it’s a lot easier just to put on muffler with cat’s then to take the whole cam out just to pass Smog if they start to Smog motorcycles, which I’m praying they don’t!! But California is always looking for more money!! And the stuff that I got done being all screaming Eagle EPA But not C.A.R.B Compliant it was hard to find a dealer that was willing to install here in California found one HD dealer family owned that was willing to doit. I love California an I was born here. And the weather is amazing I can ride my Harley’s all year But man they’re making everything so difficult Smog wise and to live here is so expensive!! lol
I have never bought anything Screaming Eagle. I never have upgraded the motor. I just bought a new Harley. 2008 Softail Custom, 2016 SGS, 2022 SGS, and lastly 2024 Fatboy (my last motorcycle for me).
There's no question you can go faster using aftermarket parts vs screaming chicken parts & Harley dealers who give warrentied on performance work are stupid . As an aftermarket shop owner I have built a bunch of hotrod Harley's & because you can never be sure how the owner is gonna ride it my warranty only last to the center of the road !
What Screaming Eagle parts have I used? The 131" stage IV crate motor rocks. The cams, exhaust, etc. parts I've installed on my other bikes only marginally improved performance. I guess the old saying is true: There's no replacement for displacement
🛑🛑 As a CVO bike buyer…. I always thought it was ironic that the CVO bikes (originally called Sceaming Eagle Bikes, as I once owned one) that those bikes get all the “External Goodies”, but not the “Internal Goodies” to make the bike “run as good as it looks”??? Especially since the purchase price of a CVO bike, is at a Premium Price Point. 🤷♂️💯 I would think that would be part of the “total package”, or what someone is paying a Premium Price for. 😂🤷♂️ I put a Stage 4 Kit, in my CVO Ultra Limited, currently. I used Screaming Eagle parts in it, and it runs FANTASTIC!!
I have an SE cam plate, oil pump combo. Also an SE 50mm throttle body. On a 107 twin cam. The throttle body was discontinued and I got it cheap. It seems like good quality. However everything else is from Fuel Moto.
I have a screaming eagle air filter, compensator, and adjuster. All are good. I wouldn't get a performance part from them. Fueling, S&S are all on my list before the eagle, kakaaw.
The Power Vison PV4 tuner, K&N breather assembly, and a Jagg fan assisted, horizontal oil cooler for my ‘06 Dyna Wide Glide are enough for me. I had plans of going to 98 cid with cams, a billet cam plate, and high volume oil pump but after installing the K&N air cleaner and doing the PV4 tune I’m happy with what I’ve got. It saves me a lot of work and a couple of grand while making the bike much enjoyable to ride. If I were going to do any of the mods I mentioned previously I’m sure that they wouldn’t come from Screamin’ Eagle. My next mod to my Wide Glide needs to be tires, how about opening that can of worms Foo? Currently I’m looking at Metzler Cruisetec and Michelin Scorchers which are claimed to be used by HD from the factory now. My factory Dunlops made it 16k and performed adequately but I’m looking for a smoother ride and better handling if I can get it. Those would be my primary considerations for new tires with longevity being secondary.
One more thing. My bike is just hitting 10 years old so I test rode that M8. No thankyou. Doesnt fell like or sound like a Harley. Maybe it makes more power and starts feeling like a Harley after you drop another 5-10 grand into it but I'm still happy with my TC.
I have a 2010 road glide screamin eagle and I made the mistake of installing a 583c cam and the bike run like crap so listening to you has convinced me to put the stock cam back in
I have watched guys fall for this for decades. One guy went stage 4 last year and promptly BLEW UP his SG less than 2k miles later. I'm lucky... I was born without a horsepower care and I had 155k on a 80" twin cam. Got amoat 63k on my 2007 Road King Custom 96 TC now. All these bikes are SO powerful compared to a Honda 125 cub... the bike people literally ride around the world! Selling horsepower to guys is easy... it's like women buying fake giant boobs... easy sell for they think they want.
Spot on. I’ve seen many dump loads of money to end up with something that still isn’t as fast as stock sport touring bikes. Then they also end up with something that isn’t as nice to ride and relax on like the stock harley was. It’s just not what they’re built for.
It’s probably because of my age , but I purchased my 2020 FLDE 3 years ago to cruise and I’m fine with the 107 just the way it is. 70 is is right around the corner for me so I will leave my bike just the way it is.
My advice is just wait your warranty out or just say screw the warranty, that’s what I did. Don’t spend that kind of money to upgrade and just put HD stuff back in there.
The only screaming eagle parts I purchase is the spark plugs wires. I do my own work now, TC 96b. Late (2006) sold as a 2007 FLSTC. All quality aftermarket parts. I agree with this video, it's a scam.
Own a stock 05 TC88, and a 12 CVO Electraglide. The 12 is a bit of a monster compared to 05 stock. I went aftermarket performance on a M8, went Woods, wouldn't do S. Eagle of went aftermarket.
Couldn't agree more. and yes, who hasn't gone at least some of the SE route when we didn't know any better? :-) If you want good power per dollar, aftermarket is the only way to go now, Evo to M8. From what I have read, even the new FP4 has been defanged.
I honestly felt that way as well. Right up until the 135 kit came out for the second gen m8. As of right now no other company has a big bore or cnc cylinder heads. The value of the kit 4500( a little over 4 grand with veterans discount). My dealer was running a half off labor sale during the winter. I was also having some engine trouble( scored cylinders and bad rocker shafts) so warranty covered the remaining labor so I essentially paid zero labor so it was a no brainer for me. Extremely pleased with the power and having a warranty still. With that being said I will be upgrading the cam and tuner.
I don’t mind Harley stuff, here in Australia, I’ve found the labour is the same as any other shop. After market parts aren’t always trouble free. Just my experience. 🍻
I agree with you 100%! I have a 2014 ultra Limited at 17,000 miles the compensator started going out and had the choice of buying a screaming eagle upgrade. Why the hell didn’t they put that heavier duty compensator in the first place is beyond me! Same with the water pump. Fortunately, I bought the bike used but when I look at purchasing possibly a new one, I think about all the things I will have to upgrade all over again.
I don't get it: I test rode a Fat Boy with the 107 M8 in 2017 and thought "This Bike is PERFECT as a comfortable, torquey Badass-looking Cruiser. Other than slip-ons, I wouldn't change a thing. It's a Cadillac, not a Corvette." Preferring Corvette-like performance & sporty style over Cadillac-like comfort & traditional style; I bought a 2017 V-ROD Muscle that year instead (it's punched-out with WAY more power than I need in a Cruiser). Honestly, if extreme hp is a must when buying a Cruiser; buying a 2nd Generation Yamaha VMAX or Triumph Rocket 3 makes more sense because you can tweak more power from those machines for less money, and they won't overheat (and with OHCs they rev higher without valve-float or blowing up). But to each his own. Like the Hodge Twins used to say; "It's your life. Do whatever the $#@&! you want to".
One reason to trust the dealership and to use Screaming Eagle parts, at least for those Stage upgrades, is that the warranty is not voided if the dealer installs them. You can say that’s part of the scam, but it’s definitely not meaningless if you’re upgrading a brand new bike.
What Screamin' Eagle parts have you tried and what was your experience? Was it good or was it a complete waste of time and money?
I had screaming eagle mufflers on my 05 Night Train and 04 Dyna but that was back in the day when they were somewhat loud.
Cam chest and new cam.hydrolic Cam chain tennsioners
@STIFFRIDES i have 29.725 miles after cam chest kit
05 RK,79625 miles ,i hit a deer wed nitr
@@jamesfalls3310 I don’t have ether one of them bikes any more, but I appreciate you👊🏻 I’m on a 09 103 Electra Glide Police now.
Suckers like you are born every minute 🤑🤑
Stock Harleys are fast enough to do what the bikes are designed for--good handling, large cruiser bikes. To me, the cost for getting a little more power far exceeds the benefits. I always have found stock Harleys fast enough for me. Just sayin'.
My 21 RG 114 m8 limited is still 100% oem with 37k miles on it
A lot of dealerships are so much different in the service department. some are hot rod shops that can do it all some can barely change the oil.
....and the majority won't work on my Evo.....which is a good thing, I prefer to do my own work for the most part. The only Screamin Eagle part I have is the ignition m bike came with when I bought it...used.
Love my 89 evo heritage
I’m an Auto Technician. Professional for 38 years. I don’t trust anyone to work on my stuff but me.
Hell I ain't even a mechanic but only ME, MYSELF AND I TOUCH My Vehicles.
Amen, brother...Amen!
Yep me too, I freeking hate anyone working on my machines..my favorite line is oh, I know how to do this. As they start taking crap apart that doesn't need to be touched um 😮
And yes amen
honestly i don't get why people think they need to soup up their harleys. i've owned everything from liter super sport bikes to vmaxes to 50cc scooters. my nearly 20 year old stock road king has plenty of grunt and speed. more than enough to put a smile on my face every time i take it out.
They are deep-pocketed suckers for displacement. Let's remember when HD Inc. had TWO engines.
Ordering out of the parts catalog at the service counter makes them feel important. Like a woman buying new shoes. 😂
Leaving mine stock. To old to get stupid
That's you. I always want whatever potential the engine has to offer. A better cam, intake and exhaust are absolute minimum
Your obviously not a hot rodder.
Not too many S/E parts in bikes that are running in my circles down here in New Zealand. We tend to squeeze the best out of what we have mainly because we're ingenious, we're at the bottom of the globe (making shipping expensive), our gas is crap and our dollar only buys about 60c US. Mainly... it's a cam change, intake, exhaust and tune but you do get the occasional situation where the owner goes all out but it's rare. For my bike (a mild-mannered 2007 W/g) I managed to obtain a new 103ci kit for a good price (old stock) and, as an engine builder by trade, did everything myself except the tune-up. I pocket ported the heads, did a multi-angle valve job, took a lick off the heads, used thinner Cometic head gaskets, fitted decompression valves, slipped in some Andrews cams then took it to the dyno for the final tune. It runs great, overtakes with ease (with a 30/70 final drive pulleys) and is well suited to our twisty, lumpy 3rd world roads. (Ohlins are a must in this country.) Screaming Eagle? Who needs it? We have Clever Kiwi.
Even before the EPA got so absurd, SE parts were less desirable in my opinion. The typical scenario used to be, customer buys new bike then realizes it doesn't really look like or perform like they thought it would. Customer hits one of the forums and asks advice about how to get better performance. Customer gets solid advice about what aftermarket parts and what mods to do to get the performance customer should have gotten from the factory. Customer then balks at aftermarket parts because customer doesn't want to void his factory warranty.
So customer ultimately buys SE parts and, for a while enjoys the new performance improvement. Customer quickly realizes that his expensive dealer installed SE parts aren't resulting in the performance he was expecting and he is still getting regular ass kickings by his buddy's bike(s). Customer then goes back to forums and wonders about a different cam, or different tuner (my personal favorite), or different exhaust, etc, etc. Customer once again is given solid advice by other forum members.
Customer then realizes warranty is almost up and so takes another expensive plunge, this time heeding the advice of those on the forum(s) who had tried to advise him.....twice, and pays more money for the recommended aftermarket parts and independent shop installation and tune.Customer posts a much improved dyno sheet on the forum(s) and posts that he is now finally happy with the performance and never posts on the forum(s) again.
I tell my Bro this all the time. He finally looked at his receipts and was stunned he had spent 50% more on his motor than buying one. I told him labor would eat his lunch and offered to put the parts on it for a cold beer but he opted to have the dealership install them and now he walks funny. Always holding his butt cheeks after he gets his bike back...😂😂😂
Oh man I bet he went for an absolute bent over ride having the dealer do it at their labor rates.
@@GixxerFooI would love to watch someone work on my bike. Glad I have a buddy who owns a shop
That's some funny shit😂
😂😂😂😂
@El_Peto why are you watching harley videos if you hate them?
My old Evo just chugs along……don’t need any more power.
Nothing wrong with that at all!
I alwa😢enjoy your videos. I took your advice a couple of years ago 2016 Road glide ultra woods 222 cams, Fueling oil pump, Bassani headers, S&S air cycle unit and Thundermax tuner. It woke the bike up and I’m very pleased with the results. Thank you again. The bike pulls to the moon. You helped me save time and frustration with your advice
99.999 % of all cars on the road are stock engines. The stock Harley runs fine and fast enough. You don't need to get caught up in the speed game. It's costly and usually not as dependable as stock. People have been traveling America with Harley long before 1949 Hydra glide but that bike made it real comfortable. The Hydra glide made about 55HP and it was enough for 2 up and travel in America.
Most Harleys made in the last 85 years will hit 100 mph on public roads.
@@frankfurther3828 Yeah and nowhere in America is 100MPH legal. Best to just sit back enjoy the ride and think about how great it is to be alive.
You also get a gas mileage hit. I just did a stage 1 on my 23 low rider s and I don't need more power. That 117 on a light weight softail is plenty.
@@wanaraz CVO= Fool's Purchase
@@wanaraz I get you and you’re not wrong, but part of the fun of having a Harley is making it the way you want it. As far as performance it is a shame like the video author says that you have to do so much to get it where it should be out of the box.
I hate getting stomped by a Honda Goldwing, pulling away from a light! Absolutely they should make at least the same power as competing bikes, without the stupid CVO/Screamjng Eagle price tag
A Fire Blade will fix that up if you are that worried about it.
I know what’s more fun to ride!
Buy a Pan America. You can smoke everything except a Hayabusa.
I have had my ass kicked at a stop light by a 1984 GoldWing 1200 with 150,000 miles on it.
@@snowlothar45 No way. Any metric four over a litre will see pan america disappear in their mirror.
If I wanted an adventure style bike, mine would be a Triumph, not a PanAmera
Carbed v111 in an fxr here...Being in control of my afr without a paywall is so nice
You can't beat a setup like that! That's the Harley you want, FXR with a nice S&S engine. It doesn't get better than that.
Never had the urge to buy SE parts. I'm happy putting around the countryside by myself on my stock bike. It's my decompression chamber. If I wanted speed, I'd buy a bike designed for setting my hair on fire.
Any HD bike is fast enough for everyday use, even the stock 883 Sportster is fun to ride and enjoy life. The desire to be special, faster, more noticeable is embedded in the DNA of people, and HD marketers use it perfectly to make money.
You get more power per dollar by getting a Triumph Rocket 3
That motor in that thing would turn a Geo Metro in to a drag car!
@El_Petodon't like em, don't ride em. No one wants to hear you
No doubt!
My h.d BAGGER has aftermarket S&S DRAGON T143 N she's in drag form, but the money it cost to get her there,WASNT WORTH THE PRICE
The special supercharged builds of the Rocket 3 are absolutely amazing!! Id love to be able to get one.
2012 Ultra Limited 103. It does what I need. It can do the speed limit, hell I'm 73 yo. The 103 is like the Chevy 350, it just does it's job...If I do anything to it, it will be S&S...
I have been bit hard in the past once a little bit and once to the tune of a 113 Pro Race Kit on a 96. Parts that should have been upgraded weren’t and I had several of the common failures you have talked about but unfortunately I didn’t have facebook. I am a retired mechanic and have worked for Harley Davidson long ago and hadn’t caught up with things. I learned quickly but it cost 💲 me. Great videos. Now it’s after market for me. Thank you.
I took SE 203’s out of my 2001 FLTRSE,and put Fueling 525’s in.Big difference.
I know a famous Harley engine builder who uses Screaming Eagle adjustable push rods instead of S&S or other brands. He swears the SE ones are the best and strongest of any of them.
When you been crafting for a long time you find what works and what doesn't. I am not going to knock a craftsman's choice. I like SE high compression pistons. I can't prove it other than l like the results and they work 🤷♂️.
SE Cam plates and oil pumps are the best money can buy too over S&S Fueling and the likes.
I put aSE cams in my 2001 standerd bager when the lifters needed a change really brought that motor to life.
SE cams are for sure a big step up over stock!
The only reason I go to a Harley Davidson dealership for service is because the other so-called motorcycle mechanics I've been to, screwd things up.
Yeah same, then proceeds to tell me, after he worked on it, he hates Harleys!
There wasn’t a next time.
Buy a manual.
I come from the generation that did their own work....
If your a man, buy tools and a service manual an do the work yourself. Unless your a doofuss you cant screw it up any worse then they can. And you save labor charges. And a lot of shops/dealers will break your shit then call you up an say " while we were in there we found something else wrong."
@@TheWolfsnackyeah, it called being a man an taking care of business
My first Harley was an ‘03 Dyna Low Rider with an 88ci TC. I thought there was something wrong with the engine. It was a dog. Then I was told I have to do a ‘Stage 1”. Welcome to the world of upgrades. Not satisfied, as the guy I rode with would always leave me in the dust, I found out he did a cam swap. Did that and the bike not only ran right, but rode better. It was all HD parts. Then I found out about the world of aftermarket parts. What a rabbit hole. As I’ve mentioned before, my ‘14 SGS is a perfect blend. Stock frame, gas tank, rims, barrels and pistons. Everything else swapped out. The Woods 222 is my favorite swap along with the heads. Never miss a chance to put the numbers up: 103hp and 116ft/lbs of torques. ❤ Next is the front and rear suspension. I admit, I love doing the customizing on the bike. Definitely made it my own. Another great video! Thanks.
Ive never put my Harley in a Harley dealership....and never will ...
I dont trust Harley.
Same. 26 years and never saw the inside of a H-D shop, or any shop for that matter.
The problem isn’t the Screaming Eagle parts, it’s that the EPA has made it so difficult to tune so that you can utilize the parts utilizing most aftermarket tuners, however you can still dyno tune…
I put slip on TAB Performance pipes on and told the store they could skip the SE Tuner after I watched your episode on O2 sensors and the factory settings from the bikes CPU can make the adjustments. You saved me $400 plus labor. Thanks
Did the same.
I have a 2011 Harley Ultra Limited. When I bought it, the previous owner had installed Screaming Eagle stage I and RC Components Excalibur slip on exhausts. During Covid, I installed Wood Performance TW222 cams, S&S high flow oil pump, S&S rocker arms and lifters. I got it tuned at Harley because it was close to my house but otherwise, I don't use HD parts.....too expensive.
With the TW how much of a difference in take off and forty mph plus pull?
I miss just getting an accessory catalog when asked for!
I used to get one every year and now it's all digital, it's just not the same.
I have a 2014 CVO Breakout with the Screamin' Eagle 110. It doesnt feel like a scam to me. It feels like it has significantly more torque than my TC103 had but it also wants to run much hotter. I had to add an oil cooler to it my first summer.
Almost ordered a oil pressure gauge from the catalog, then saw the reviews, no sale. Another great video Gixx, see you next Friday!
I'll admit I fell for it too. Blank canvas for the price of a painting. Yeah I was a sucker.
"Premium motorcycle" what is the biggest lie Harley-Davidson ever told. The upgraded parts should absolutely be on there already if they consider themselves a premium motorcycle. Harley-Davidson is the only motor company in the world that the customers pay for the fixes instead of a recall.
Purchased a set of Screamin' Eagle slip-on mufflers for my 2007 Fatboy purchased in 2006, due to no aftermarket mufflers available for the redesigned Fatboy. The slip-ons had a 90 day warranty. The fiberglass inside the mufflers started coming out between the baffle and outer housing in 98 days. Dealership would not warranty them, because the warranty period had passed by 8 days.
I've been riding for 52 years. Started on Triumphs in the early 70's and now ride a 97 Sportster with a Hammer Performance 1275 kit. I have never, EVER put any bike into a dealership for anything. I do my own work. It's not like Harley engines are super complicated. I don't like full injection on motorcycles, as the 'benefits' are not worth the extra cost IMHO (Carburettors work just fine for street riding and are easier to tune yourself) I'm stunned at the number of riders I meet who don't even do their own oil changes!
Find yourself a good engine builder and get it done right
Harley Davidson has a license to steal
give it some fuel and let it breath
04 twin cam 88
75,000 miles
95 cubic inch motor
Power vision tuner
S&S cams ,
S&S gear to gear
S&S heads
Original jugs bored out and matched up with pistons
Thunderheader exhaust
Great Video
Everything about Harley is a scam designed to make the eagle on a dollar bill scream like it's being violated.
Good video as usual.👍
LMFAO that's so very true!
My experience with a specific SE part turned almost disastrous. I bought SE rocker arm supports thinking they were more durable and compatible with a new ‘98 big bore kit from FuelMoto. Long story short, after a $1500 U-Haul rental to get my bike home, from Couer d’Alain Idaho to Alberta (Canada), I disassembled the bike and found the rear rocker arm support cracked in three places on the push rod side. The only difference between stock and SE is that the SE support is reinforced on the value side. The pushrod side on the SE is no different from stock. The SE support is made from porous pot metal. I would be ashamed to stamp SE on a poorly designed part like that if I was Harley. Be very cautious when buying Harley SE parts, with the assumption they are better. This experience caused me a lot of grief and stress, not to mention a big drain on my bank account.
I think you are 100% correct. I’ve stayed with HD parts so as not to void my extended warranty. I’ve bought the warranty on 3 bikes and had to use it on each, in each case the warranty coverage pretty much matched what I had paid for it. Sad but true! I fully agree a woods cam will meet or exceed the bump you get from most any stage kit, but that would void the warranty!
Did a screaming eagle stage 4 110ci on my 2015 Ultra last year...
The 103ci had bad blow by and dumped all the oil so it was covered by my extended warranty...
So I just had to pay out of pocket for the upgrades... $2,300 ?
Then I bought a 5 year extended warranty to cover the screaming eagle parts...
Noticeably more power and a little louder, and a slight loss in gas mileage/range on a full tank...
The only downside was the 80 something days waiting on the cylinders...
Finally, another technical vids comin' up!!! Screw those company policy & management, we're just wanting to know about techs and tips like you used to upload. I've been stuck with SE and another OEM things all this time. Well, I guest i'm gonna looking for some aftermarket things (oil, fast moving parts etc). Salam dari Indonesia 🤟
We can for sure get back into those! It's time to get back into the engines!
Are there really so many people who can’t understand why someone would want to hop up their H-D instead of buying a Yamaguzzi? People like their Harleys. When they do a big bore kit, cams, heads, or whatever, they are not comparing it to a Hayabusa. They are comparing it to what they had before they made any changes to it. If you are not able to comprehend that, might I respectfully suggest that at your level of willful ignorance, riding a motorcycle of any type is probably not for you.
And might I add, buy a manual, turn your own wenches and quit paying other people to work on your bike. Grown men are not supposed to do that.
Yeah, people like turning garbage into fast machines..like a Honda Civic in fast and furious. It's a joke
2023 fltrxst. 117.
Rock stock..
Going to keep it that way as it has more than enough power for the chassis.
If I gave in and did a tuner and slip ons I would be at stage 2 as it already has the snorkle and bigger cam.
But nope stage 1.5 is fine and being a true air/oil engine it runs soft and low anyway.
Put a hard 3500 rpm limit on the top and do most work from 2000 to 3000.
Heck, the darn thing will pull at 1800 and has sweet spots at 2400, 2600, 2800, and finally 3200 for the high cruise.
Mine is quieter while still thumping as well.
Also, dealer installs can have warranty issues after a year.
I enjoy my road sofa and enjoy the proper shock height for good cornering..
Nice bike when in its happy place.
gday jixerfoo i love ur honesty. i watch alot of the videos u make. keep up the good work 👍
You're right about how screamin eagle used to be ok, I've got some old SE 2 mufflers that were too loud to use for early morning starts at home, I've never bought new SE parts though.
SE parts you used to be the real deal, they can't produce anything like that anymore!
I like screaming eagle as they are not to aggressive. want reliability too. Plus we need dealers. they need to make money so good on their marketing. i try to support my local dealer. i have had such a good experience with them. they have had my back on severral problems and came through without any finger pointing.
I have the Screaming Eagle Hi-Flow air filter and slip-ons. After that, I went with the S&S 475 cam chest, Fulsac header and Rinehart slip-ons. Big difference.
I sure like them "Screaming Beagle" cams!
Fuel moto, S&S, Baker, Woods….my TC in a nutshell!
I went with the Screamin Eagle tuners on my 2 103 motors. I used aftermarket intake filters and exhausts. I used Screamin Eagle synthetic oils and filters only because of the discount I get using my credit card points. I'm pretty sure that any other brand would be just as good and cheaper!
I ride a 2020 RGL with the 114 M8, that has all the power I need. I have no interest in any SE or aftermarket parts. Never go pass 4K rpm on the engine anyway. Know a lot of people who have mods to the engine and wish they never did. Worse fuel mileage, mechanical issues, and drivability. I'm glad HD doesn't put those parts on straight from the factory.
Here's one of my problems with HD. You buy the bike and add a stage 4. You have almost bought the bike twice, depending on model. Then comes the reliability goodies that are must haves. HD has been doing this for years and devoted customers go for it. If, say if another manufacturer did this, their showrooms would be empty. Devoted HD owners applaud it. What???? I don't even want to think about how much one could spend if they took the modifications one stage at a time. It all gives a new meaning to HD giving you a little more.
For those that need to know, I'm an HD owner. Just saying.
Kinda like the "CVO" is just a fancy pretty sticker without the performance enhancement. I got the 2022 Ultra- Limited- Apex instead of the "CVO", saved 10 grand and can remove the tour pack for basically the same look, motor, options.
For the cost of installing a stage 4/5, you can buy a used rocket 3 and have 2 bikes, or a fishing boat.
Stage 4 = $3850/kit or $8k for a crate motor then you have to add labor- my closest shop is $185/hr.
When I rebuilt my 06 FLH i went to an independent shop with a dyno and put all S&S parts in. An 88 to 100 kit with everything needed. I never considered Harley Parts. When I changed my pipes from stock. I ordered them online did that myself along with a fully programmable Dynojet Power Commander. Rather tgan get scammed by Harley for pipes and a flash... the cost of the download was almost 400 bucks... the power commander was the same price... then I had programmable fuel management to this day.
Only thing I need to do now is true duals with oxy bungs and a new fuel management computer to take advantage of that.
I think the government will put an end to all this fun if we alliw it though anyway.
I went down this rabbit hole earlier thinking about changing out the plastic lifter collars. I'm still trying to rationalize it to my self to spend $2000 to replace a dollar two ninteyeight part.
The Dealership put a rear tire on my bike yesterday. With my vet discount it was cheaper than a local shop.
I get free tires for life from my dealer. Just got a free rear tire normally $420 last week for my 23 low rider s. Just paid a small installation fee
@@dgross2009 What was the installation fee, $400?
Quit complainin boomer. Why didnt you do it yourself. No pride in your abilities?
I bought the SE stage II for mine, cam, cam plate, bearing, tuner, lifters, push rods, pipes, filter, that's it. My dealer has been in business 70 years, they know what they're doing. When it's all done, I'll let y'all know how it went.
My problem with HD dealers is the little things like 50-dollar t-shirts. The other day I changed the passenger pegs on my soft tail and launched that little BB to god knows where and went to the hardware store to get one. They didn't have one so I went to the dealer to see if they had one. They did. In a two-pack (the ball bearing only not the spring) and it was 5 dollars. Come on man they could have charged me 1 dollar and made money.
This video is exactly why I say miss on HD. I bought a 02 Duece about two years ago. Without knowing about the cam chain tensioner I grabbed the bike up ,needless to say after converting to gear drive with S&S cam chest and oil pump .I feel the bike is considerably more dependable, at least being a 02 I still have the Timken lower end. I've always said the Screamin Eagle stuff should come in the bike to begin with.
Why should they come standard with it? Your base model car doesn’t come with the bigger option brakes or motor. Why should Harley be any different??
I realize this is off topic but..If you was gonna rebuild a 2014 103 HO would you go 110 or stay 103/107 ? My plan is to up compression 10.5 to 1, i already have the wood 777 cams, exhaust and intake.
Whoever coined the term "Screaming Beagle" had it right.
That would better describe it lol!
Or screaming seagull
Screaming chicken
Reamin' Beagle.
Scrotum eagle is my go-to
I like the screamin eagle logo. I agree with you. Anytime screamin eagle is compared to the aftermarket companies, they come up quite short in tq and hp
I would say the SE parts are better than stock parts, but for the money and performance you are better of with S&S Feuling, Andrews ....
still use and Love my Screamin Eagle Race Tuner, even before the super tuner came out, You can change everything individually even between the cylinders. timing, injector pulse, fuel ratios, everything, matched to the bike by serial numbers. Awesome tuner, I'm running 13.8 fuel ratio through the entire RPM range, not good mileage, but runs real cool and has tons of power, A 2002 twin cam 88 bumped up to a 95, turning out 106 HP and 107 ft lb tq, its one bad little 95. Unless they are running stage kits or mods, it eats 107's & 114' Milwaukee 8's all day, shows em tail light and they just can't believe it
My boy has a 2011 Road King, stage 4, built up to a 103 with the old Screamin Eagle Super tuner and I can't keep up with him. He was told by his indy shop mechanic to "Never Get Rid of That Tuner!". So, we agree with everything you say in this vid.
Hopefully, HD CEO Zeitz will step down and the New CEO will put SE upgrades back to their former glory and NOT concern themselves with the weakened power of the EPA.
(BTW, the contacts look good).
Heads up fellas. If a screaming eagle part is installed by anyone other than Harley it has a taillight warranty. I work for a company that administers a lot of Harley warranties in the southeastern US.
Screaming Eagle Evo heads were made by S&S, they just replaced a mold section that had the S&S logo for a S-E logo. A Screaming Eagle Evo cam from a sealed Stage II FI kit was an Andrews EV -27 and marked as such. Some valve train stuff was Jim's.
H-D outsources a lot of stuff from the aftermarket manufacturers, it's just got their packaging & logo. And warranty.
H-D does kinda stick it to the actual manufacturers. They must sign a confidentiality agreement, and not let it be known who makes what. That last until the next trade show party!
At a 50% premium!
So true and every bags there parts made by the same company they have parts from. It’s all about marketing and what looks and sounds cool for people
I've always been an aftermarket guy. I bought an SE air cleaner for a Sporty 25 years ago. I can't remember anything else. I've always liked the aftermarket stuff better, and it usually seems to be a better value. Also, I have that affliction where I don't want to give Harley any more money than I have to. I buy some repair parts, maintenance stuff, an occasional accessory, but not the SE stuff. I don't hate the parts, I just always like something else better.
My 120R motor is "screaming eagle" with a wood cam. It's got over 25K miles on it and the only repair it's needed was worn cam shoes and a compensator all the internals look great. I felt most comfortable going with a Harley crate motor and so far it's paid off. I expect a lot more miles out of it.
Good motor!! But there is no chance you haven’t replaced lifters in that amount of mileage
I appreciate your video on this subject. When you think about it after purchasing all these Screamin Eagle products to make your bike more powerful you’re exactly right in that it’s probably cheaper to buy a whole new engine. I have a 2010 Dyna Wide Glide and although I would like to have more power from my TC 96 I can’t really justify the cost. To me it’s more important to spend the money on suspension and a comfortable seat to make it ride better. Yeah my stock TC isn’t going to win many races but it has enough power to get a speeding ticket.
I can't stress enough how important putting money in a suspension and seat is. You can build the meanest, evil motor, but what good is it if you have talk yourself into getting on the bike cause it just sucks to ride. Suspension and seats is so overlooked, yes it's expensive to upgrade and it's not glorious. But, l have never heard anyone, ever, regret spending the money on suspension or a seat.
Still have my 80" evo flhs. Had a cvo vrod, and was disappointed. Bought a 3k mile FZ1 for $6k and couldn't be happier when I feel the need for speed, 0-100 in 5.7 seconds, lol.154 rwhp and 487 lbs wet. Even with my fat ass on it, it is scary fast, power wheelie in first three gears effortlessly., fourth if you push it😂
I agree with you Gixxerfoo! I have never used Screamin' Eagle parts. You get better power for less money with the aftermarket. All you need is Wood, V&H, and S&S and have all the power you could ever want, and for less money!
S&S chinese lately eh?
I have a 2014 CVO and I only put Harley Davidson screaming Eagle parts in it mostly for resale value if I ever decide to sell it
My problem is that my local dealer will not install anything that isn't Harley Davidson. They even him/hawed around about putting anything other than the exact stock tires back on it. So even if I wanted to pick up some aftermarket Woods Cams or S&S Oil pump, they won't even install it. I even purchased a shotgun shock kit, and they wouldn't install it, telling me they have nothing but problems with those.
I just picked up my 18 limited from H-D dealer last weekend got a stage ll 447 torque cam kit also got a cam plate, High flow oil pump, Cam bearing, Lifters, Push rods all S.E. and a S.E. pro auto tuner with tap performance head pipes cat delete absolutely love how it sounds and ride. I know it’s a EPA compliant but I live in California. I’m a smog technician and there’s so much talk about California might start Smogging Motorcycles! 🤦🏻♂️ it’s a lot easier just to put on muffler with cat’s then to take the whole cam out just to pass Smog if they start to Smog motorcycles, which I’m praying they don’t!! But California is always looking for more money!! And the stuff that I got done being all screaming Eagle EPA But not C.A.R.B Compliant it was hard to find a dealer that was willing to install here in California found one HD dealer family owned that was willing to doit. I love California an I was born here. And the weather is amazing I can ride my Harley’s all year But man they’re making everything so difficult Smog wise and to live here is so expensive!! lol
I had a stage 2 done to 2019 RGS with the screaming eagle horsepower cam and tuner. I was underwhelmed to say the least
Is a CVO just a new bike fully Screaming Eagle’d? If it is, is it cheaper to buy a CVO, than to buy a regular Harley and go full stage 4?
I have never bought anything Screaming Eagle. I never have upgraded the motor. I just bought a new Harley. 2008 Softail Custom, 2016 SGS, 2022 SGS, and lastly 2024 Fatboy (my last motorcycle for me).
There's no question you can go faster using aftermarket parts vs screaming chicken parts & Harley dealers who give warrentied on performance work are stupid . As an aftermarket shop owner I have built a bunch of hotrod Harley's & because you can never be sure how the owner is gonna ride it my warranty only last to the center of the road !
What Screaming Eagle parts have I used? The 131" stage IV crate motor rocks. The cams, exhaust, etc. parts I've installed on my other bikes only marginally improved performance. I guess the old saying is true: There's no replacement for displacement
🛑🛑 As a CVO bike buyer….
I always thought it was ironic that the CVO bikes (originally called Sceaming Eagle Bikes, as I once owned one) that those bikes get all the “External Goodies”, but not the “Internal Goodies” to make the bike “run as good as it looks”???
Especially since the purchase price of a CVO bike, is at a Premium Price Point. 🤷♂️💯
I would think that would be part of the “total package”, or what someone is paying a Premium Price for. 😂🤷♂️
I put a Stage 4 Kit, in my CVO Ultra Limited, currently.
I used Screaming Eagle parts in it, and it runs FANTASTIC!!
I have an SE cam plate, oil pump combo. Also an SE 50mm throttle body. On a 107 twin cam. The throttle body was discontinued and I got it cheap. It seems like good quality. However everything else is from Fuel Moto.
I have a screaming eagle air filter, compensator, and adjuster. All are good. I wouldn't get a performance part from them. Fueling, S&S are all on my list before the eagle, kakaaw.
The Power Vison PV4 tuner, K&N breather assembly, and a Jagg fan assisted, horizontal oil cooler for my ‘06 Dyna Wide Glide are enough for me. I had plans of going to 98 cid with cams, a billet cam plate, and high volume oil pump but after installing the K&N air cleaner and doing the PV4 tune I’m happy with what I’ve got. It saves me a lot of work and a couple of grand while making the bike much enjoyable to ride. If I were going to do any of the mods I mentioned previously I’m sure that they wouldn’t come from Screamin’ Eagle. My next mod to my Wide Glide needs to be tires, how about opening that can of worms Foo? Currently I’m looking at Metzler Cruisetec and Michelin Scorchers which are claimed to be used by HD from the factory now. My factory Dunlops made it 16k and performed adequately but I’m looking for a smoother ride and better handling if I can get it. Those would be my primary considerations for new tires with longevity being secondary.
One more thing. My bike is just hitting 10 years old so I test rode that M8. No thankyou. Doesnt fell like or sound like a Harley. Maybe it makes more power and starts feeling like a Harley after you drop another 5-10 grand into it but I'm still happy with my TC.
I have a 2010 road glide screamin eagle and I made the mistake of installing a 583c cam and the bike run like crap so listening to you has convinced me to put the stock cam back in
I have watched guys fall for this for decades. One guy went stage 4 last year and promptly BLEW UP his SG less than 2k miles later. I'm lucky... I was born without a horsepower care and I had 155k on a 80" twin cam. Got amoat 63k on my 2007 Road King Custom 96 TC now. All these bikes are SO powerful compared to a Honda 125 cub... the bike people literally ride around the world! Selling horsepower to guys is easy... it's like women buying fake giant boobs... easy sell for they think they want.
Spot on. I’ve seen many dump loads of money to end up with something that still isn’t as fast as stock sport touring bikes. Then they also end up with something that isn’t as nice to ride and relax on like the stock harley was. It’s just not what they’re built for.
@NBSV1 absolutely!
It’s probably because of my age , but I purchased my 2020 FLDE 3 years ago to cruise and I’m fine with the 107 just the way it is. 70 is is right around the corner for me so I will leave my bike just the way it is.
My advice is just wait your warranty out or just say screw the warranty, that’s what I did. Don’t spend that kind of money to upgrade and just put HD stuff back in there.
Those warranties sometimes aren't even worth the paper they are printed on.
The only screaming eagle parts I purchase is the spark plugs wires. I do my own work now, TC 96b. Late (2006) sold as a 2007 FLSTC. All quality aftermarket parts. I agree with this video, it's a scam.
Own a stock 05 TC88, and a 12 CVO Electraglide. The 12 is a bit of a monster compared to 05 stock. I went aftermarket performance on a M8, went Woods, wouldn't do S. Eagle of went aftermarket.
Couldn't agree more. and yes, who hasn't gone at least some of the SE route when we didn't know any better? :-) If you want good power per dollar, aftermarket is the only way to go now, Evo to M8. From what I have read, even the new FP4 has been defanged.
Love your Channel, keep up the good work..
Gixxerfoo is spot on about harley. he should do an episode about what KTM is doing.
I honestly felt that way as well. Right up until the 135 kit came out for the second gen m8. As of right now no other company has a big bore or cnc cylinder heads. The value of the kit 4500( a little over 4 grand with veterans discount). My dealer was running a half off labor sale during the winter. I was also having some engine trouble( scored cylinders and bad rocker shafts) so warranty covered the remaining labor so I essentially paid zero labor so it was a no brainer for me. Extremely pleased with the power and having a warranty still. With that being said I will be upgrading the cam and tuner.
I don’t mind Harley stuff, here in Australia, I’ve found the labour is the same as any other shop.
After market parts aren’t always trouble free.
Just my experience.
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@@ozziejim8472 I agree, and SE parts always appear good quality and well made.
And guaranteed to fit and work
I agree with you 100%! I have a 2014 ultra Limited at 17,000 miles the compensator started going out and had the choice of buying a screaming eagle upgrade. Why the hell didn’t they put that heavier duty compensator in the first place is beyond me! Same with the water pump. Fortunately, I bought the bike used but when I look at purchasing possibly a new one, I think about all the things I will have to upgrade all over again.
I don't get it: I test rode a Fat Boy with the 107 M8 in 2017 and thought "This Bike is PERFECT as a comfortable, torquey Badass-looking Cruiser. Other than slip-ons, I wouldn't change a thing. It's a Cadillac, not a Corvette."
Preferring Corvette-like performance & sporty style over Cadillac-like comfort & traditional style; I bought a 2017 V-ROD Muscle that year instead (it's punched-out with WAY more power than I need in a Cruiser).
Honestly, if extreme hp is a must when buying a Cruiser; buying a 2nd Generation Yamaha VMAX or Triumph Rocket 3 makes more sense because you can tweak more power from those machines for less money, and they won't overheat (and with OHCs they rev higher without valve-float or blowing up).
But to each his own. Like the Hodge Twins used to say; "It's your life. Do whatever the $#@&! you want to".
I love it when I see Sportsters listed on Marketplace as a "2005 Harley Screaming Eagle" because it has the "Screaming Eagle" air filter.
I would LOVE for you to do a 2024 tuner update video, specifically highlighting ThunderMax
To me, a minimum of Stage 1 is a must. Not for performance but for temperature and ridability.
What tuner do you recommend for an M-8 to get a better fuel mixture; not so lean??
One reason to trust the dealership and to use Screaming Eagle parts, at least for those Stage upgrades, is that the warranty is not voided if the dealer installs them. You can say that’s part of the scam, but it’s definitely not meaningless if you’re upgrading a brand new bike.