The Grim Reality of Motorcycle Trail Riding in the UK
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Good people, good times. The word 'grim' is used ironically, as some people insist that different types of users need to be segregated.
Coxhill Lane, Potterne, Wiltshire. 30.01.16
it's good to see a fellow off roader being courteous to other trail users.
Thanks David, though this was recorded very much 'on road'.
I think that it is ILLEGAL to do OTHERWISE... - i have been out and about + stopped for horses - and then a stupid little grey corsa comes screaming past with no lights on...
@@WiltshireByways why was this suggested as being grim. It was all rather good really?
@@stevenross-watt8640 I think it's a joke
Hate being told what to do when I'm already doing it, so friggin irritating.
I feel your pain, especially when someone interupts you in the middle of it, to tell or intstruct you. Some people just aren't right in the head 😂
Exactly
Doing the right thing still ain't good enough for some people!!!
I get it all the time too, for some reason people think I’m Forrest Gump and I’m smiling at them whilst thinking’ For what other reason am I doing this’ as they tell me that l should do what I’m doing. Maybe l should just start running and keep going 😉
edbro Aotearoa please make your youtube comments relatable.
You did everything right always nice to see a member of the bike community actually riding the proper way
Massive respect to the motorcycle rider!
I never cease to be amazed at how many horse riders preach to motorists about what to do and not do around horses.
My advice has always been simple. If a horse is not comfortable around motorists and vehicles, they should not me on a road!
I walk, camp, ride a Harley and drive a Landy. You sir are a gent, well done, respect 👍 ATB Dave 😊
Whats so grim? You showed respect and was rewarded with a heartfelt thank you.this is how civilized people co-exist.
Some people enjoy pretending that this kind of behaviour doesn't happen.
What a top man doing this. I'm a trail rider and do exactly same
Thanks Rob, ride safe and have fun.
We all have to share the space and it’s nice to see a positive video where everyone is getting along
Very courteous of you mate,shows not everyone is selfish
Jesus if everyone was like this in the world wouldn't it be a much better place..
That wasn't hard, was it! Shame everyone can't be this nice to each other.
I totally agree with stopping and engine off, but begs the question, should such an uncontrollable animal be allowed on a public highway?
@TWO WHEEL FIX. There at least one road still open to MC if I'm not mistaken. ;-) Corrieyairack Pass. Quote " The Highland Council states that the Corrieyairack Pass is not maintained as a public road, and is not suitable for use as one, so it advises against using motor vehicles on the pass.[1] The road surface is made of stone, though it is now very eroded and damaged, and in many places the original paving has been lost. It is now used primarily by hikers and mountain bikers, as well as access for workers maintaining the adjacent electricity pylon line" Un Quote" They have put up barriers to stop 4x4's but motorcycles can get through. Note: All the road or path closed signs are rectangle, just giving information, not orders. Basically what its saying you can use the pass, but at your own risk
When I 4 wheel i always give way to horses because of my loud engine, and if I were riding a horse i would want the same thing
I don't get why ppl would have a problem with it. I live in a place with horsillion stables around and this is kind of nice when we pass each other with riders. I simply stop the engine and admire that beautiful animals. I'm not in a hurry anyway, as I'm enjoying my ride. No one ever had a problem with me passing and 99 of 100 always thank me and give me thumbs up. Simple live and let live rule applies :)
Good on you mate! Its not pretty when a horse kicks off, seen one go through a car windscreen, when the person didnt slow down and it started bucking 😳
Exactly!
Lol you are right on both counts. You of course did the right thing for the walkers and riders. And yes it is a grim fact that off-roading in the UK is sooo far from being able to wildly ‘send it’. What you need is a mate with a farm, I have and that’s where I get my off-road kicks.
A great case for electric motorcycles. I have to say up here in Scotland I’ve given up with motorcycle trail riding after 50 years, in part due to the law change. Now I find a legal electric assist mountain bike gives me as much pleasure and little or no grief from fellow trail users.
A curse and a blessing John. Horse riders have an enormous problem with cyclists because they're so silent compared to motorcycles. I've got an e-bike myself, so like you have seen first-hand how people's reactions change when noise is removed.
WiltshireByways Yes, it’s the movement too. I got charged by a cow the other week on my pedal assist bicycle. Scary!
If only every one was like this.
Brilliant manners never go a miss
We have horses. Just train them to get used to the sounds of motor engines. Its all very possible to get used to. Many riders are scared before the horse get scared. Or are scared for the horse whilst the horse is not. Just train them and you have a better, more relaxed ride.
Well yes, horses used to ride against cannon fire, lines of men with guns, roaring fires. Now a car comes past and they flip their shit. It's clearly bad training and control on the owners part
I do the same here in NZ on my MTB. I get some surprising responses.
Good to see, probably says more about me but I didn’t think the rider needed to go into all that, seemed obvious the motorcyclist was a sensible considerate laner
Thars brilliant. But in Australia most of the horses are toigh and are not spooked by a little moto..
Haha if only that was true. There are no narrow shared byways though in OZ like the UK and many walking and horse parks don't allow motorcycles
you are a credit to our hobby
All it takes is for everyone to have some care and consideration for All users. Unfortunately there are some total toss pots that if they don't like it then it shouldn't be allowed and they don't understand that they are the dangerous ones.
Well done. Byways are for all to enjoy. Sadly too many treat them as their own.
The head on confrontations aren't so bad usually, it's when you want to overtake from behind (be it on a motorbike or bicycle). The horses always get spooked because they can't see what's coming. It alway seems a bit unfair all the concessions allowed to horse riders as they cause the most damage behind 4*4s and riding one regularly is the preserve of the very rich.
Most people I know who ride are dirt poor because they spend their wages on their horse!
I’ve just started greenlaning and watched your videos, lots of great tips.
At the weekend I stopped for a horse rider, she told me it was probably worse that I was sat waiting (engine off) rather than passing her slowly, she clearly hasn’t heard a Yoshi can before hehe.
The car driver behind her wasn’t so pleasant and asked me in a rather abrupt manner, where my number plate was, luckily having seen your way of dealing with people, I politely told her it was at the rear of the bike (didn’t have chance to educate her about bikes not having front plates).
I have encountered trail bikers walking my dogs and they are always very friendly. But then again , Rhodesian Ridgebacks are on the large side.
My ex's family used to have a Rhodie but it spent most of the day sleeping! They're great family protectors.
Always do this on my longbord too, I live on a farm with stables so I'm fairly familiar with horses, best just to carful and friendly, good job
Good British politeness. Rest of the world take note
The UK is fast becoming unsuitable for off roading .
I used to do trials riding in the 70s and even then the green lanes between sections started to reduce.
Hence the reason 90% of 4x4s or adventure bikes dont ever go off road .
Unfortunately the UK has just become too crowded.
I always do that for horses , I have had ridden a lot off road this year and have not had one problem.
Why are motorcyclists allowed on tracks originally meant for horses and walkers?
I ride a ZXR750 with a rather loud exhaust when ever I'm confronted with a horse I always pull over and turn off the engine. What's 40 seconds out of your ride to show respect.
Hey well done, we don’t have that option up here past the wall ... :(
If someone was this polite to me it would make my day out ridijg
Pity that some people who don’t stick to the rules get vehicle accessibility to these lanes stopped, if we all took care and signs explaining who can use them and rules maybe more would routes would be reopened.
A motorcyclist should give way to a horse as a horse rider should clear their sh*t for a walker, as a dog walker should leash their dog for a horse rider or lift their DSBs for kids crawling in the verges. These routes are about sharing and considerate use. Not victimising and channelling hate. Everyone needs to do 'their bit'.
Lanes for all!
Horses and their owners are not legally obliged to have third party insurance and if for any reason it damages you or you vehicle, thats not your fault, the horse owners are not liable.
That's not true in the UK. The rider/owner is responsible for the animal, which is why most are insured via BHS gold membership.
@@WiltshireByways I'm sorry to disappoint you, but your post isn't correct. I was waved past a horse and rider, the horse smashed the side of my car, whilst I was stationery. I contacted the horses owner, who provided me with their general third party insurance details and I placed my claim with them. Their defence, which is backed up with case law, was that as the horse hasn't done it before and as its an animal with a mind of its own, the legal owner and rider are not liable. I took legal advice, which resulted in the same outcome, unless you can prove the same horse had done it previously, which is impossible to prove.
Where is this mate.. And what are the riding laws here I want to ride but don't know where I am allowed
Wiltshire. You need a road legal motorcycle, tax, MOT, licence and insurance and you can only ride on public roads or byways open to all traffic.
@@WiltshireByways cheers mate
I was out with the lads once. We came across horse and rider and stopped around 50 yards away to allow her to negotiate a gate. Engines off, we all looked on as she attempted to open the gate while mounted, got it wrong and fell off. Think most of us kept our composure, all though I'm sure I heard a snigger. She wouldn't have heard it over all the shouting at her horse then had the ordacity to sling a few f##ks into us for spooking her horse. She should have dismounted and led her horse through. Muppet!
Is that in Potton woods near Devizes
Yes, Coxhill Lane.
Wish every motorcyclist would do this
Reminds me of when I had my electric scooter I couldn’t ride it in peace even when I found quiet spots. There’s always somebody walking dogs and parents with kids around so I got rid of it.
People have started riding horses around my estate and getting uppity at motorists who aren't used to them, I don't see why they need to come round my way, I'm not even near the countryside!
Bridleways and paddocks are being lost to development.
You done your bit, why did the man on the hourse have to make a big deal out of it?
inspector clouseau would agree to give them a wide berth only to accidentally back fire off into the distance
Offroad bikes and horses can live in harmony
Thanks Carl, though this was very much recorded 'on road' with an 'on road' trail bike.
Hi there i have a small 110cc quadbike and always struggle to find places to take it off roading i live on the border of somerset and Wiltshire wandered if you had any recommendations?
If your quad is road legal then you can ride on public roads and byways open to all traffic. If not, you will instead need to visit a 'pay and play' site or track. There used to be a small track by the Applegreen petrol station on the A36 near Farleigh Hungerford (you can see it on Google aerial photos) which the petrol station own and rent out for £10 per rider - you could try there.
@@WiltshireByways afraid its not road legal yeah we take it there sometimes was trying to find somewhere else if you had any thoughts
@@tomburge3792 I don't know anywhere else, sorry.
This is why we can have nice things
Such privileged horses, scared of a Motorcycle, forgetting their ancestors were rode by The Genghis Khan into battle, men shouting, swords clashing, arrows whistling, blood flowing, a far sight compared to these pampered princesses.
What ? Title ??
I don't understand how the title relates to the video? What was Grim? Have I missed something or was this just clickbait?
Sort of. People who try to ban motorcycling in the UK try to convince authorities that conflict is both common and inevitable, when it is nothing of the sort.
WiltshireByways ah I seee! Well that makes sense 👍🏽
I have found horse riders are generally ok tbh, it's walkers and dog walkers that get the arsehole with you, even when you're riding on a BOAT which anyone can use. . . . I always stop my bike as it's loud as hell, and I don't wanna spook them, I coast it as well on the clutch if dogs are around too. Y'know, try to be considerate.
I always try to ride in the week to avoid the weekend warriors.
I have stopped to let dogwalkers/horseriders and been moaned at over the years, you just take it on the chin. What these other users of byways don't understand is; That if you close more byways to vehicular traffic, then you are just going to get the hooligans on MX bikes that don't give a f*ck and wont stop for nothing.
I could barely make out any of the words in that, but did notice that everyone (and his dog) had to make way for the horse riders.
What are trails in England? We have public footpaths, bridleways and roads. Roads are for motor vehicles. Americans have trails. I just think it's nice to go somewhere without the sound of an engine.
This is a byway open to traffic. "Trail" is the type of public highway that that we enjoy riding along.
Thank you 👍🏼😊
I can’t stand being told what to do even if I planned on being polite I would’ve revved it a bit before taking off not that it would matter my dual exhaust crf 250 R is plenty loud just idle.
Respect dude
Well the biker was certainly polite but does he not know that roads have been invented?
This happened on a road. Not all roads have been sealed!
Oh yes. I'm high and mighty. Please turn your engine when we come passed and don't at the horse, you may startle it.
Certainly Sir . And when your horse craps on the path will you please dismount and clean up so other path users dont have to ride their mortorcycles through it .
Too many people in the UK.
As a British person, I feel I am well within my rights to say that was the most British thing I’ve ever seen
U grass
@@gymbruh1824 the fuck you on about?
I literally was thinking the same
@@gymbruh1824 you prat
Indeed sir
Good practice my friend, I always do the same, especially when I come across people dogging, it's just polite.
lol
dogging 😂😂😂
😂
They like it if you stop and watch
Well if they get caught Dogging it's Not your fault 😆
I wonder how many arguments a year that guy on the horse gets into 🤔😂
All part of the fun for him. I practice similar behaviours on my mountain bike obviously without the engine and even then it's like the horse riders own the place.
@@snoopdutt1985 I think you may be misinterpreting them. I mountain bike and gravel bike and my Mrs rides a horse. Her and her fellow riders often act out of fear because the consequence of a thoughtless bike rider can be tragic, for rider or horse, since the horse can always react unpredictability.
@@markc17 yeah that constant fear of your hobby killing you must make you act like an arrogant *@£&. Understandably.
@@snoopdutt1985 Like I said you’re obviously not able to empathise with people who’s’ride’ has a mind of its own rather than a frame of metal. What may appear as arrogance is probably not if you’ve experienced friends being seriously injured or dying due to stupid motorists who can’t think of anybody else.
He needs to get off his high horse and quit lecturing people.....badum tssssss.
See? This is all it takes, folks. Simple, mannerly and with a mutual respect. You see too many stories of either bad motorcyclists or bad horse people so this was a welcome change
that doesnt mean youll ever get treated this nice again
Exactly. When I ride on the roads, I stay far left and keep my boy calm. When a car comes past I will thank them for their respect or I will wave my whip for them to slow down. I hate people who rev to scare horses on purpose. I keep following the rules. So should others.
@@veritywilcox9960 I've only ever seen that happened on a TV advert
As a horse rider in Wales I personally think you were very respectful you could have very easily sped past those people but you had to courtesy and common sense to stop and turn off your engine!
and beep your horn as loud as possible when they get next to you..
Round here horse riders are fucking cunts, Im so fucking happy i have a stupidly loud bike XD
I always see horse riders up in the forests in new Radnor the bikes up there are loud af and Surprised people still ride around horses and stoof
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If this happened more often I truly believe more trails would open up for us motorcycle riders. Good on you mate! More of you is what’s needed
A Gentleman, that is all it takes, a bit of consideration all round.
I heard someone once say, you don't have to be a gentleman, just be gentle.
@@mrspester or, "You hurt me something lovely"
The easiest thing for a human to do is be peaceful 😌.... smgdh@humans
Spot on absolutely
Guy on the horse is a dick, bet he enjoys a good argument.
Horse rider just had to have the moral high ground.
Needs to get off his high horse!
Yes bit of a Pratt wasn’t he!!
He wasn't like that at all. It was merely a polite request. Unfortunately, there are far too many motorcyclists who have no respect for others and I suspect the horserider may have had a bad experience or two as a result.
It's easier to control a motorcycle than a horse that's decided to throw a wobbler and you're on the horse, it can be fatal!
@@davidedbrooke9324 No he wasn't!
@@rayjennings3637 Oh yes he was!
I think the fella on the horse was hoping for a bit of a row. but where you to nice he could not start one. 🖒🖒
To those asking why the word "grim" is in the title; welcome to British humor, enjoy your stay.
As an American I can appreciate the use of dry humor without a need for explanation. Comedy here has gotten to the point where you actually have to lead with "This is a joke and not how I really feel, so please don't take offense" followed by 40% of people taking offense.
The second horsey man wanted a confrontation and was miffed that he didn’t get one.
Clearly, the horse is the only creature in the world with a c**t halfway along its back.
Police Horses have them too.
It's so muffled, when you turn on subtitles its automatically in Russian. :)
Well . I once stood very still while waiting for a fox. Very early in a summer morn... then a woman rides up the hill making a very happy noise. Very happy . Like oh uh oh uh Ooooooo.... Felt like sharing the story. Nice shared moment of respect between country folks. 😊
Everyone was really polite and respectful to each other just the way it should be
I've always said the same, horses shouldnt be allowed on tax paying roads as they are too easily spooked which annoys everyone
I never turn my engine off , I'll slow down and give plenty of space while going round but if the horse is scared of noise keep it off the roads it's dangerous
Good man, as someone who's been bucked, kicked, and thrown from a horse. Its refreshing to see someone who gives way, very courteously I might add to these men on horseback. I applaud you sir and emplor other riders to be as courteous as this gentleman is.
Thanks Mike, I've picked up a few knocks from riding horses myself.
This is the type of interaction that helps overcome so much of the negativity many feel toward motorcyclists. Mutual respect goes such a long way towards ensuring we can all enjoy our activities in shared spaces.
And that is how it's done! Well done to all
If you watch videos of motorcycle riders in the USA, (where I live) they often show off how they chase down people in their cars and smack their side-view mirrors off if they feel they were impeded in their high-speed slalom through traffic. They imperil everyone including themselves. You don't behave as though the rest of the world should yield to you. I wish more would follow your example.
You are lucky in England to have green laning. Up here in Scotland its illegal. Very courteous riding my friend. 👍🍻
Not so - more that Scots law hasn't prescribed everything like in England and Wales. My understanding is that a public road must connect to public places together, so two other roads or an isolated chapel. I think those that know keep a very low profile!
I'll look and see what information I can find and post it here
WiltshireByways I hope to stand corrected! but as far as my understanding goes there are private land owners in Scotland who refuse entry to their land and also forestry commission land is no entry. I apologise for late reply but I never got notification on your reply. 🍻
Robert S that would be very helpful. Thanks. 👍
I narrate the law as I see it in a video published on my channel entitled 'Great Motorcycling Roads #4 - The Corrieyairack Pass'.
I don't ride a motorbike but this makes sense to me. I don't see anything grim about this.
Thank you from the horse riding community, you are a gem wish there were more considerate folks like you, pity the guy felt he needed to say anything as you done everything you could to help, you just always get one. I have to say had great experiences with motorcyclists, you my friend are saving a life doing this .👍 stay safe .
Thanks Wilma, yours are kind words indeed. Stay safe and free!
If the horse is that skittish.... It shouldn't be out in public....!
A one ton animal that could kill a passer by
if riders can't control their horses just because of loud noises they shouldn't be on the byway as they are a risk to everyone. vehicle riders have to make sure their vehicles are roadworthy and under control, why should horse riders be any different? What makes them so special?
Because many of the roads were created by horse use and the law we use today was created by them and with them in mind. We can't just cherry-pick the laws that we don't want to apply to us.
Maybe the law makers live out in the country side away from the riff raff and own horse's.
Lol this is the UK, of course the lawmakers own (or owned) a horse or two or a hundred.
Because riding a horse is fuckin more proper than a motorbike. Properly understood lad ?
@@jamesavery6671 well it's not though its equal
I feel sorry for horse riders who don't realise the enduro bike was invented years ago. They spend hours looking for stupid bits of leather, hay, nails, shoes, silly hats and boots to keep their mode of transport running when all they have to do is be lucky enough to find and buy a Yamaha WR250R which is the god damn best mode of transport anyone could ever need.
Brilliant example. Wish more people were polite and respectful like yourself.
This is all very fair on the bike riders part, but people that own horses, should be training their horses to be happy around vehicles, not that the biker should be able to scream past them at 8000rpm. But I used to help a local farm that took holiday makers riding, and all of their horses were trained to be happy on the road, and it’s just laziness on top of a superiority complex, which is like I have a horse and has to be my way, that a lot of riders have, which is a big part of the problem.
I was at a country pub in Sussex a couple of years ago, and they have a part of the car park put aside for horses, and this stupid woman was riding through the car park, when her horse kicked the front of a parked car right in, busted headlight and a completely buggered front wing, and she was going to leave without informing the cars owner, but a few of us stopped her, and the fury of her swear words was amusing, especially when we found out that she didn’t have insurance, and she honestly believed that it was the car drivers fault, even though he was eating lunch with his family at the time.
And it was a bit similar in this case, because the biker had stopped well short. And he had stopped his engine, but still that dick on the Hunter, felt that he had to say more than hello and thank you...
This is the only downside of my Yamaha with free-flowing pipes. Came across a lady riding a horse on a main road so I stopped and she was INCREDIBLY thankful. Made my day too, to have such a positive interaction with another person. I’d hate to be responsible for a horse bucking off its rider, especially a kind old lady.
Respect my friend, sometimes it’s really rewarding to be polite. What goes around, hopefully comes around.
People riding horses on roads really upsets me
Brilliant costs nothing to be nice
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wow there you have it..very polite and all involved go on in a nice manner.
Manners cost nothing and make a massive difference - Stay Safe
I used to ride horses, now I ride motorcycles, back in the day the trail bikers would do the same as you.
At some point there were some assholes that flew past everyone without any regard to safety...
Now you can hardly ride a motorcycle off road legally anywhere...
Courtesy goes a long way, well done!
Awesome attitude, as a Cyclist I try and promote this same attitude myself to fellow cyclists, alas I often get criticised for it!
Good on you for trying to improve rider conduct. I don't think cycling could ever be misrepresented as much as motorcycling, which is not something I would wish on anyone.
if horses are that scared of everything, then surely taking them near a road or a trail used by motor vehicles is just a bad idea