When I was a boy in the early '70s, my parents bought me a dune buggy with the .049 Cox motor. I still have most of it in a box all these years later. I should try and restore it. Thanks for the video. I enjoyed the flying.
I have a similar plane that would go in. Just ordered an engine and 3 props from COX in the USA, delivery to the UK all in was £45.55. Happy days. Thanks Bruce.
Thanks for this video! I was smiling through the entire run. When I was a kid many (MANY!) years ago, the cox .049 was my entry into the hobby. This brought back happy memories.
LOL - it's a pint-sized THUG. What a great model, takes me back to my misspent youth of free-flight and control-line models running on nitro and diesel engines. if only we'd had modern radio control gear back then!
Yeah a 12 year old with no licence, no insurance, no tax, no identifying plate or number, trying to control a 1 tonne animal that could suddenly do something unexpected, with no cutoff switch or fail safe, in front of commercial traffic including 40 tonne lorries, hiding round blind corners doing 2mph on a 60mph road with no spotter warning oncoming traffic.... Horses have caused hundreds (probably thousands) of fatal accidents. The time for horses on the road is in the past. But a toy spitfire flying further than 500m in an empty farmers field with nothing around for over 1 mile is actually an offence, which could leave you with a criminal record... this would stop you getting many jobs, affect your ability to get credit, or being able to travel to many countries in the world.....Am I/We permitted to feel discriminated against?
Agree, its unbelievable isn't it...?...Im always nervous passing any horse and rider on the road...Mental...The reason they dont have to have Insurance, is because no Insurance company in their right mind will offer them cover.
Bruce, I think you need to go get one of those birthday cards that let you record a little message, pull the guts out, record your cox motor running, then put it in your electric models so as you fly the electrics you get that nostalgia feeling of the good ol' days. :-)
With my "Sticks" they are a bit bigger, I use Cox Reed valve .049 and the Tee Dee engines in both .049 & .051. I hand build these planes. Couple of them are Rud & Elv and a couple are Ail& Elv. Just two channels. Balsa sheet for the sides, wing is build-up, spar, ribs, heat shrink covering. I fly for 6 minutes then climb, fuel runs out, loops, rolls, wing overs on the way down then to plop down at your feet. Fly all afternoon on a pint of fuel. Really in expensive, great practice, very low cost, TON OF FUN.
I have the same plane with a tiny brushless motor. I flew it inside a dome. Everyone was amazed and asked a load of questions. Goes through wind and stunts galore with fast speeds.. Would be fun having a pylon race with a flock of these with the Cox PeeWee motors.
IMHO The Cox. .020 was the sweet spot in tiny engines... the .010 could be terribly fussy, at least mine was.... Those throttle rings required a bit of fussing about to get good results. I did have a .049 QRC run perfectly right out of the box, so your experience may vary. Great fun!
That sound takes me back. I had a DC Merlin 0.75cc. Used it for Control Line, I DID have an RC kit (MacGregor) but it was too heavy for this little engine. Plus RC boats made less mess when I got it wrong ... 🙄
awesome it brings back good memories when I start the hobby while back, thanks for sharing this video, I think I'm going to buy This Plane and the little Cox engine I miss the sound and the smell of the Nitro Tony G
A very cool plane! You were saying in the video the motors are basically collectors items so they would be rather expensive? Maybe we could see a more recent nitro build and a comparison to its electric conversion and the differences between them in flight characteristics and cost.
i learnt to fly on a precident hi fly glider with a cox baby bee,what a great little engine very noisy,i built a larger tank and would run it for 10 minutes,eventually the small end bearing got play in it,i didnt know this at the time but theres a reset tool to fix this,this is a great little plane :-)realy enjoyed this video
I built something similar in the early 90's. A little bit bigger with a Cox TD 051 on it. It used to tear up the sky like a micro pylon racer but even back then it was too loud for some flying sites.
bummer there isn't a Kavan tank extender kit for the .020 like I have on my black widow .049. its basically 5/8" long 2 ring-tubes with stepped edges so it seals up. the inner one letting air through to the reed valve, the outer one doubling the size of the fuel tank, and 4 longer screws to put the whole thing together. same for there not being a regular (no gas tank) backplate that's just the needle valve and reed valve (with fuel line connector), if there were a straight backplate you could put any size dual vented tank you wanted on it. only "solution" is fill the tank, put a cap over 1 inlet, connect another tank's fuel line to the other inlet, and not have any air bubbles in that mess (the cap goes on last, filling both tanks from the larger secondary tank). the black widow with the tank extender on it is long flights, no throttle control but does have a muffler.
Hello, thank you for your videos! I have 9 nitro engines - an OS .040, 2 .049s, 1 Pee wee .020, 2 TD .020s and 3 TD .010s. The OS .040 has a home lol (A SIG Kadet LT-40), but I want to get some use out of the smaller engines. I have long searched for a kit such as the Mini Stick or Micro Stick for my little engines but no-one makes these anymore. Do you have any recommendations on a currently available 16-24 inch wingspan kit, arf or bnf control-line, free-flight or radio-control balsa stick airplane? I'm especially interested in using at least one of my .010s.
What size battery did you use? I built the 1/8A LaStick and it is basically the same size and design. Tried the Cox .020 and the plane would not climb. Tried washers to tilt the engine up and still would not climb. Then tired a Cox .049 Baby Bee, rebalanced the plane and still would not climb. I am thinking the battery is too heavy that is in it. I have 3-micro servos and the receive is small to be used with my Futaba T8J radio. I have checked the balance and Incidence with my tools and all check correct. My battery is the standard 4-AA battery pack for 4.8V.
This is awesome Bruce, it was a cox 0.49 that seeded my passion for the whole hobby! Is it viable for FPV do you think? Too much vibration? Please bung a cam on it and try :-)
hey I had .049 and .020 cox engines back around 1979. From my memories, I really don't want to ever have to deal with nitro engines ever again. They more often were impossible to start than actually ran. mess, noise, and other limitations. But ... fuel packs a lot more mAH than lipos do!
awesome little plane! I am really curious how you are powering the receiver, I've never flown wings or planes and I'm super curious. just a little lipo inside?
it seems I used to get a lot longer flights out of my .20 Cox engines. why don't you open the tank and check to see if the fuel pickup tube is at the bottom and not at the side.
"I'm sorry, while your aircraft does not fall under central government regulations and restrictions, it violates our local noise pollution ordinance." Seriously, in my locality, it would.
We called it ''Gas and Go'' and yes it's a blast. We raced 1/2A TD's in an unlimited air-frame style and a gallon of fuel every other week was the norm. Your cute little ugly stick peewee looks like it's begging for a race partner.
It is this one but it used to be available ready-built in "plug and fly" format but I can't see that option on the HK website any longer: hobbyking.com/en_us/hobbykingtm-mini-stick-laser-cut-kit-580mm-kit.html
Hi RCModelReviews, sorry for hijacking this comment, just wondering if you could do an updated version of your budget build? I know tech has changed a lot in the last couple of years, and prices change a lot as well as standards
this hobby is being ruined by mass manufacturers! What happened to scratch builders? Or wings you add to a stick and go from there. I like this plane, its realy cool. Sadly, I cant find one online today
I can smell the fuel all the way from California. Love the fact u are sporting the awesomeness of late 60s early 70s I cherished as a kid ..Thank you.
When I was a boy in the early '70s, my parents bought me a dune buggy with the .049 Cox motor. I still have most of it in a box all these years later. I should try and restore it. Thanks for the video. I enjoyed the flying.
Four of those and you have a cracking quad.
Kidding. Love the fixed wing content. Keep it coming.
I have a similar plane that would go in. Just ordered an engine and 3 props from COX in the USA, delivery to the UK all in was £45.55. Happy days. Thanks Bruce.
it's bean so long since I've heard the sounds of a good old nitro plain running man it takes me right back to the days of my childhood!
ha looks super fun. If Grumpy Trev and myself make it to NZ can we meet up for a fly and a cuppa?
UAVfutures Hi stew!!
I would love the see you flyn' planes!!
Absolutely mate -- I'd love to see you and Trev over here having some fun. I'd even buy you some fush and chups! :-)
would love to do that
RCModelReviews 7 muppets disliked this. Shame on you.. that and awsome lil bit of kit. Thanks for sharing 👍🏽
It sounds like you have a scared sheep onboard.. :-)) Fun video to watch, thanks!
Thanks for this video! I was smiling through the entire run. When I was a kid many (MANY!) years ago, the cox .049 was my entry into the hobby. This brought back happy memories.
LOL - it's a pint-sized THUG. What a great model, takes me back to my misspent youth of free-flight and control-line models running on nitro and diesel engines. if only we'd had modern radio control gear back then!
Very nice little bird. And great flying. Thanks for posting and greetings from Slovenia, Robert
Hi Robert...funny to find you here :-)
Strange how they regulate our toy's and yet in England a horse can be ridden on the road with no tax, insurance or comonsence, MADNESS..
Maybe it's because they don't fly horses over peoples' houses... XD jk
Yeah a 12 year old with no licence, no insurance, no tax, no identifying plate or number, trying to control a 1 tonne animal that could suddenly do something unexpected, with no cutoff switch or fail safe, in front of commercial traffic including 40 tonne lorries, hiding round blind corners doing 2mph on a 60mph road with no spotter warning oncoming traffic.... Horses have caused hundreds (probably thousands) of fatal accidents. The time for horses on the road is in the past. But a toy spitfire flying further than 500m in an empty farmers field with nothing around for over 1 mile is actually an offence, which could leave you with a criminal record... this would stop you getting many jobs, affect your ability to get credit, or being able to travel to many countries in the world.....Am I/We permitted to feel discriminated against?
Agree, its unbelievable isn't it...?...Im always nervous passing any horse and rider on the road...Mental...The reason they dont have to have Insurance, is because no Insurance company in their right mind will offer them cover.
You and me wouldn't get on well..
good 'ol EU
Well done indeed, Bruce! Thanks for sharing that with us.
Bruce, I think you need to go get one of those birthday cards that let you record a little message, pull the guts out, record your cox motor running, then put it in your electric models so as you fly the electrics you get that nostalgia feeling of the good ol' days. :-)
that's awesome... harkens back to the days of old radios and old motors for me as a young'un
6:52 Sounded like you said you got your Parkinsons thumbs at HobbyKing. LOL
The sound is maddening! That's why I need one.
With my "Sticks" they are a bit bigger, I use Cox Reed valve .049 and the Tee Dee engines in both .049 & .051. I hand build these planes.
Couple of them are Rud & Elv and a couple are Ail& Elv. Just two channels. Balsa sheet for the sides, wing is build-up, spar, ribs, heat shrink covering.
I fly for 6 minutes then climb, fuel runs out, loops, rolls, wing overs on the way down then to plop down at your feet.
Fly all afternoon on a pint of fuel. Really in expensive, great practice, very low cost, TON OF FUN.
thing about most COX motors is, you end up steering a little dart around for 2min.. fun for a day or two.. As always super fun video..
I have the same plane with a tiny brushless motor. I flew it inside a dome. Everyone was amazed and asked a load of questions. Goes through wind and stunts galore with fast speeds.. Would be fun having a pylon race with a flock of these with the Cox PeeWee motors.
Looks like a load of fun with a pinch of smiles.
IMHO The Cox. .020 was the sweet spot in tiny engines... the .010 could be terribly fussy, at least mine was.... Those throttle rings required a bit of fussing about to get good results. I did have a .049 QRC run perfectly right out of the box, so your experience may vary. Great fun!
Someone needs to turn one of those into a USB charger, and then use it in a starbucks.
that was too much fun im getting one bruce
That sound takes me back.
I had a DC Merlin 0.75cc.
Used it for Control Line, I DID have an RC kit (MacGregor) but it was too heavy for this little engine.
Plus RC boats made less mess when I got it wrong ... 🙄
awesome it brings back good memories when I start the hobby while back, thanks for sharing this video, I think I'm going to buy This Plane and the little Cox engine I miss the sound and the smell of the Nitro
Tony G
Bruce runs when it's fun.
Flies when it's under a tonne.
Friends clap.
Flies the map.
All while staying under CAA sun.
A very cool plane! You were saying in the video the motors are basically collectors items so they would be rather expensive?
Maybe we could see a more recent nitro build and a comparison to its electric conversion and the differences between them in flight characteristics and cost.
Just think how much fun it will be when it grows up. :-)
IIRC, Cox used to make a silencer for these, wraps around the exhaust ports, a circular shaped device.
Have converted several GWS foamies to Cox power. 400 size Tigermoth was probably my favourite, Formosa was a rocket!
Yea I've recently discovered the extra loads of fun that these little engines have !! The 020 is still a good buy too use,the010 depends,but very fun
Set my latest build aside. Am starting one of these asap Fantastic!
Nothing like the smell of nitro fuel in the morning!
I've got this model with a hugely overpowered electric setup and an 049 laying around somewhere... thinking they'll make a good pair!
i learnt to fly on a precident hi fly glider with a cox baby bee,what a great little engine very noisy,i built a larger tank and would run it for 10 minutes,eventually the small end bearing got play in it,i didnt know this at the time but theres a reset tool to fix this,this is a great little plane :-)realy enjoyed this video
I built something similar in the early 90's. A little bit bigger with a Cox TD 051 on it.
It used to tear up the sky like a micro pylon racer but even back then it was too loud for some flying sites.
I used to fly Single Channel RC using a Cox 049....everyone did back then....:)
Happiest Ive ever heard you Bruce!!
Top shit. Blue Skies to you mate.
:)
More nitro. These motors love it. 25% and she will SING!
Great fun but just too noisy for most flying sites.
fantastic Bruce. You can even do fpv and still be below 200 gramms 😎. cool
Haha does that sound bring back memories! great vid :-)
Please give us a link to this plane and engine.
Bruce where can i get that kit? im in the states though
Needs a small TX02 or something on it :) would be amazing fpv fun!
Love it we had those motors on line flyers great!
1 min 15 second flight lol good job bruce
That was AWESOME!!!
I hesitate to even ask, but does this flight mean you've worked out your woes with the "authorities"
How did you power the servos/receiver in this build? Thanks.
I smiled watching this. Looks like fun
At least it is running the right way for you. Mine ran backwards most of the time.
This video could not be more Kiwi... That ain't such a bad thing, and that's coming from an Aussie ;-)
That thing is brilliant! 👍
Put in an extra head gasket or two, and a larger prop. Should slow it down and increase flight time. Works on my .049😁
bummer there isn't a Kavan tank extender kit for the .020 like I have on my black widow .049.
its basically 5/8" long 2 ring-tubes with stepped edges so it seals up. the inner one letting air through to the reed valve, the outer one doubling the size of the fuel tank, and 4 longer screws to put the whole thing together. same for there not being a regular (no gas tank) backplate that's just the needle valve and reed valve (with fuel line connector), if there were a straight backplate you could put any size dual vented tank you wanted on it. only "solution" is fill the tank, put a cap over 1 inlet, connect another tank's fuel line to the other inlet, and not have any air bubbles in that mess (the cap goes on last, filling both tanks from the larger secondary tank). the black widow with the tank extender on it is long flights, no throttle control but does have a muffler.
If you got the throttle working you could put 4 on a quad!! Now that would be sweet!!
Youd have to mod the esc to give the right throttle responce on each motor
was wondering what the thrust would be on that little engine.
Hello, thank you for your videos! I have 9 nitro engines - an OS .040, 2 .049s, 1 Pee wee .020, 2 TD .020s and 3 TD .010s. The OS .040 has a home lol (A SIG Kadet LT-40), but I want to get some use out of the smaller engines. I have long searched for a kit such as the Mini Stick or Micro Stick for my little engines but no-one makes these anymore. Do you have any recommendations on a currently available 16-24 inch wingspan kit, arf or bnf control-line, free-flight or radio-control balsa stick airplane? I'm especially interested in using at least one of my .010s.
Thanks for sharing, it looks like a lot of fun.What non electric option do we have for small motors these days ?
I have the same Cox motor and never managed to get the throttle to do much myself so I'll be interested to see if you find a solution.
What size battery did you use? I built the 1/8A LaStick and it is basically the same size and design. Tried the Cox .020 and the plane would not climb. Tried washers to tilt the engine up and still would not climb. Then tired a Cox .049 Baby Bee, rebalanced the plane and still would not climb. I am thinking the battery is too heavy that is in it. I have 3-micro servos and the receive is small to be used with my Futaba T8J radio. I have checked the balance and Incidence with my tools and all check correct. My battery is the standard 4-AA battery pack for 4.8V.
spot landings are tough but reminds me of when I started
EK~
Sir
Please make a video on the aerodynamics of an ornithopter.
could you please make a review on the hobyking cox engines .
I would like to buy one for something like your plane
Nice work as always sir! What brand of quad did that gentleman have? The one that was sitting down next to you? Thanks!
An Align.
This is awesome Bruce, it was a cox 0.49 that seeded my passion for the whole hobby! Is it viable for FPV do you think? Too much vibration? Please bung a cam on it and try :-)
OMEGOOLIEBIRD .....same here, the .049 nitro bite that starts the passion. I have one on a test stand running.
hey I had .049 and .020 cox engines back around 1979. From my memories, I really don't want to ever have to deal with nitro engines ever again. They more often were impossible to start than actually ran. mess, noise, and other limitations. But ... fuel packs a lot more mAH than lipos do!
awesome little plane! I am really curious how you are powering the receiver, I've never flown wings or planes and I'm super curious. just a little lipo inside?
Adam-g1 Yup. A tiny 1s lipo with probably a micro step-up converter!
Just a 1S lipo. The FrSky receiver will work down to 3.2V and when fully charged the battery is well over 4V so all is good.
it seems I used to get a lot longer flights out of my .20 Cox engines. why don't you open the tank and check to see if the fuel pickup tube is at the bottom and not at the side.
Yes, I will be doing that. They're supposed to be set up for FF/RC out of the box but I also expected longer flight-times.
Things like this make me really sad about the fact that my club wont allow nitro due to noise complaints..
love it mate!
Was that the tiny tank on the back of the motor?
I remember free-flighting on similar engines
Yes, the peewee has a built-in fuel tank
Do you think you could fpv one of these?
this is the plane when you playing like litter Stuart's boy and didn't have. because is noise. economic. very verrry fun.
That's awesome!
You're in the Anglo sphere , why not put a small PAW diesel in it ?
I love this plane I have one that is electric they fly great 👍🏻
Were you flying with any expo ?
"I'm sorry, while your aircraft does not fall under central government regulations and restrictions, it violates our local noise pollution ordinance." Seriously, in my locality, it would.
what is the name of that plane?
Max flight time?
That's awesome
Awesome.
Sweet!
Are you using cox fuel if not what % nitro are you using?
10 percent is pretty common on these small motors, though they'll run on 5, or even no nitro
homebrew fuel with 20% oil and 20% nitro
Put a 5 inch 4 blade drone propeller on it and it ahould solve the power issue
Lightweight could be the new 'cool'.
I recon so. I prefer my baby drones to the 250
Pulsejet project?
irvine40 there's about as much chance of roddys meat pack flying
Yep, I think I've solved the nose-dive problem and added "more power" at the same time :-)
We called it ''Gas and Go'' and yes it's a blast. We raced 1/2A TD's in an unlimited air-frame style and a gallon of fuel every other week was the norm. Your cute little ugly stick peewee looks like it's begging for a race partner.
whats the plane?? lots of people asking this but no one telling !
is it a secret!
It is this one but it used to be available ready-built in "plug and fly" format but I can't see that option on the HK website any longer:
hobbyking.com/en_us/hobbykingtm-mini-stick-laser-cut-kit-580mm-kit.html
Hi RCModelReviews, sorry for hijacking this comment, just wondering if you could do an updated version of your budget build? I know tech has changed a lot in the last couple of years, and prices change a lot as well as standards
Aaaaa yeea!!
I'll give you the noise and the smell. I still rememeber fondly that smell. But in all other aspects, electric has won on these, and bigger planes.
nice
this hobby is being ruined by mass manufacturers! What happened to scratch builders? Or wings you add to a stick and go from there. I like this plane, its realy cool. Sadly, I cant find one online today
its so cute
I think I would still prefer a Graupner Speed 400 on it :)
It's got to be trick editing. I had a nitro car years ago and proved that nitro engines can't actually run successfully more than once per session.
it sounds so unhappy
Old men can run? LOL\
these things were annoying, good riddance
That's awesome