Russian Circular Warships - Guide 112
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- Опубліковано 8 бер 2019
- The two circular warships of the Imperial Russian Navy, are today's subject.
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They're like aquatic roombas.
Maddog3060 NICE !
Imagine the size of the cat needed to ride that one. Huuuuuggggeeee.
@@markblakey3456 ua-cam.com/video/TayTHX_FgvY/v-deo.html Something like those I'd imagine.
Maddog3060 That comment actually made me laugh Out loud!
@@markblakey3456
Out - Czar Bomba
In - Czar Kiska (OK, I realize that means "king female cat", but it doesn't work as a wordplay pun otherwise.)
"20 degrees to starboard." " Which starboard captain?"
"Just pick one that suits you I guess..." *Sigh*
I think they used clockwise-counterclockwise on those two.
thats right down a bit, dick head.
Unless you're putting the screws all around the ship, there's at least one direction that can be declared aft - and everything else can be derived from that.
amos navy lark?
Well rounded ships. Literally.
As soon as I saw where the screws are, I thought "I bet they could do some wacky shit with differential thrust" and indeed they could.
They could've turned the entire ship into one big turret (if you really want to go crazy with ballast tanks front and aft for elevation).
DeHerg an aquatic s tank
the original UFO
unique floating object
USO🤗
@@jcwoodman5285
They were sunk?
Klobi for President
Scrapped.
@@klobiforpresident2254 unique scrapped object.
@@bluefoxy6478
Here I was, thinking it'd be unorthodox scrapyard orders.
Oh I assumed these would be more hypotheticals.
They actually built the things?!
I love it and want one as a pet.
apparently so did the tzar.
...they should've sent a poet...
You couldn’t afford to feed it!
@@davidlogansr8007 ya, 11.5" shells aren't as cheap as they used to be.
What can one say, those crazy Russians! But a good crazy as one clearly needs more humor in war...and if your enemies are keeled over with laughter as you spin about dizzying everyone then they certainly aren’t shooting at you!
Can you imagine the happy Russian Captain, told he has been assigned command of a ship; and seeing this lovely hull for the first time?
Knowing the Russian fleet, he probably said "Could have been worse."
Russian Captain - I need more vodka, lot more vodka
@@kyle857 What do you know about the Russian Navy, moron? You don't know shit! You're just a fucking chatterbox.
"I have devoted a considerable portion of my life to the Navy, and I am wondering why you have chosen to embarrass me in this manner"
@@david26982 So what? The ships of Borodino was brand new. Blame the idiot Rozhestvensky who overloaded them and gave the initiative in battle to the Japanese. The squadron was on the March for 8 months and did not lose a single ship! Name another such campaign of another squadron from another country? Such "judgments" can you blame the French because they lost the Trafalgar or the Italians in the battle at Lissa or the British for that lost hood in the battle with the Bismarck. Primitive judgments! The video is biased and filled with Russophobia, which is common for the West. With here ships, if is to blame commander-in-chief. Video on UA-cam-a good "proof" hahahahah. About Tsushima I know much more than you, I have a lot of literature on this topic, memoirs of eyewitnesses and a huge collection of photos. You didn't surprise me.
"No matter if it is a good idea or not, as long as you can actually build it, someone WILL build it." First Law of Engineering proven right again....
You spin me right round, baby
Right round like a record, baby
Right round round round
For the Monitor with it's revolving turret firing as the target came into view I thought Pop goes the Weasel would be a good theme to play.
I can't see or hear of this (song) without thinking of meat spin... Not your fault of course. But thank you, for that horrible reminder! To anyone else, don't even think about looking, trust me you don't want to too!
Flat bottom girls make the rocking world go round
@@andybrooks3155
What's wrong with 80ies disco synth beats and fancy pirate looks in neon colour tones?
If you lived through it, you know the answer: everything!
**meatspin flashbacks**
Russia: I dare you to try cross my T now!!
Cross their O?
Cross their i?
Canadians would say "Cross their eh"
Dot their I?
Ø
Ah, the majestic Sea Pancake!
Combined with the flying flapjack we've started an interesting design trend.
The Battle Blin
Brings a whole new meaning to just taking it out for a spin.
The pancake-ship concept sounds interesting. Perhaps not the most practical but the ability to rotate extremely quickly by adjusting the engines sounds pretty useful
Makes you wonder why the guns werent in a fixed direction. Fuck aiming just point the ship hahaha
Well at least they were innovative ... thank you for correcting some of the myths about this unusual design.
Yes the QI researchers need to watch this.
@@matthewlovibond900 Ha! I just watched a clip of QI (a British TV show, folks) about this and it made me go and watch this Drachinefel one again. Yup, QI repeated the two myths.
I just found your channel after watching your video on the Russian Second Pacific Squadron (which has to be the funniest documentary I've ever watched). After watching this 2nd video, I think I'm hooked. You are great at conveying concise, detailed information in an efficient manner that is both educational and fun to watch. Keep up the great work.
3:11 “restrictions on baltic fleet”- shows a picture of the black sea
As others have probably pointed out, these were built for Black Sea service, not Baltic as in the narration. Confusingly, one was built in St. Petersburg, but transferred to the Baltic via rivers and canals in pieces prior to final assembly.
@@robdgaming That's really weird.
@@angicola4910 Building in pieces and transferring them to the location of final assembly is still done with aircraft. Not only the engines.
There are several ships floating on large lakes several feet above sea level, where the parts were made.
Ships boilers have been transported along public roads on the way to the ship under construction.
@@myparceltape1169 Oh, I thought it meant in one piece. That makes sense.
"Minor details like Buoyancy"
It's pleasing to know that these designs, though impractical, were not totally impractical. A worthy attempt to try something new from a Navy not renowned for its history of technical innovation at the time.
Now, you could build on the design, I would drop the turret using barbetes for fine adjustment and just aim the ship tank destroyer style.
Obviously very sloped armor both on hull and superstructure, have fun sinking it in 1880.
Yes pummeling fire would kill it fast but that was 20 century technology.
And yes warships of late 19th century is so fascinating as nobody had much experience and you had wildly conflicting requirements.
Turrets on sail ships is my favorite.
With such a narrow draft, I wonder how they’d do in a coastal bombardment roll?
Didn't have it then, but wonder how such would do with waterjet propulsion? And if enough power for weight could possibly be made as a planning Hull, with much lower drag.
Russian and Soviet navies were often quite innovative. Not that it always worked well...
We need only two things now: a circular aircraft carrier and a Novogrod shipgirl for AL.
What do marine helicopters land on?
OK but why and how the second part?
@@valhalanguardsman2588 I do not remember, sorry.. Definitely something connected to Drach's vids
Surprising quality of pronunciation of russian names. I'm impressed.
That's a hell of a cliffhanger, waving that golden dinner plate in our faces and going Nope.
Hes got a mean streak.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_yacht_Livadia_(1880)
The video for that is now up. Love, the Future
I guess another advantage of a round hull would be that shells always would hit at an angle, significantly increasing the effective armour thickness.
Not really. The center of the ship would also be presenting effectively flat armor no matter what angle you shoot at it from.
When he said it took and hour to turn, I thought, "couldn't you just turn off half the engines and it would spin almost instantly?"
A minute later I was confirmed right.
Officer "They're firing on us comrade captain!!"
Captain "I'll try spinning, that's a good trick!"
Captain Skywàlkér
@@mariebcfhs9491 skywalkovski
Pinned post for Q&A :)
Edit: Yes for some reason I mixed up Baltic and Black Seas... :(
Could a second Vanguard have been built using the turrets from the Erebus & Roberts class monitors and if so would this have had an effect on the service of the class (particularly potential longer service and deployments to Suez, Korea and Malaysia).
In addition my apologies for the volume of questions I have posted over time, I feel this may have be rather excessive.
Edit: Replace Marshal Ney with Erebus as Marshal Neys' turrets were used in the Roberts class.
Please clarify......constructed on Baltic........for use on Black Sea?........or for Baltic?
@@stephenmichalski2643 They were built in and for the Black Sea
@@santiago5388 Thank you.......appreciate it......have a great weekend.
What is a Ship of State
Tsar: Yeah what?
Popov: * draws circle * That. That's what
Tsar: What, it's a circle. It's a good circle I'll give you that...
Popov: No. No, no... Warship
Tsar: What?
Popov: Yup
Tsar: What?
Popov: Yup, it is
Tsar: No way!
Popov: It is. It is... big time
The Laughing Cavalier [ Emperor draws a circle with a dot in the middle ]
Emperor : THAT will be our ultimate weapon!
Death Vader : ... a boobie?
Emperor: What?! No, not a boobie!!!
I feel it went more like:
Tsar; Popov pass me the Vodka
Popov: Vwarship?
T: No, Popov give me a bottle of Vodka, the round thing.
P: Round Vwarship?
T: Sigh.. Okay Popov, round warship..
P: Here's your Vodka your highness
Ah, the Russians, made this and the Tsar Tank
Never stop, Russia. You always make history much more interesting. 🤪👍
To be fair to the Tsar tank, it was meant for use on the icy Russian tundra. In theory, the small points of contact would be on near solid ice
Don’t forget the erkanoplan!
@@opforind *Nobody* can forget the erkanoplan! Anyone who's seen it has that image with them for life. Especially watching video footage! O_O _(It .. it doesn't fly???!!!!)_
@@whee38 Tsar tank also never got out of testing phase.
It's flaws were noticed rather quickly and it was abandoned.
To be fair: For most of its history Russia and her industry have been technologically backward compared the countries in Western Europe and the US. They knew using traditional concepts and wisdom they wouldn't be able to build something on par with western warships or tanks with the industry they had, so they started to think outside the box. Thinking outside can fail spectacularly, but it can suceed spectacularly; it gave Russia the Tzar Tank, but it also gave them the T-34.
10:00 this is amazing. They basically had the ability to do a naval 360-noscope if they wanted to add humiliation to injury.
Ah yes. So that means the Monitor's guns weren't malfunctioning at Hampton Roads, she was just 360 noscoping the Virginia
For you see Ivan, If you make ship into circle you are always ready to broadside enemy!
and ready for quick escape
@@jazldazl9193 I think you mean ready for *slow* escape! :-P. (six knots??)
I- well played
I would wager Leonardo da Vinci would cried out of pride if he saw these.
If they had been sent into battle they would have been roundly defeated.
Because of circular reasoning.
Ha ha
I don't think so.
Get the fuck out, all of you
@@local38on-tv Я так не думаю
For mankind to improve and move forward we must take missteps or make mistakes. These ships are amazing examples of exactly that process. What seems like an obvious solution to a problem is an obvious mistake with our benefit of hindsight. We need designers and inventors who push those boundaries and who take the risks. It makes looking back through history both fascinating and amusing 😀
Stuff like this is why I love Russian engineering. The rest of the world used slow, plodding advances that often end up as incremental improvements. The Russians kick that aside and go for something utterly screwball, often discovering that it actually works.
Most of the time, they fail spectacularly.............
Well like everywhere they have 2 different types of engineers. Those that simplify and those that over complicate. It seems like during peace time the engineers that over complicate are allowed free reign. Then during wartime reality takes hold and simple reliable designs get a chance to shine.
@@BHuang92 There always has to be that guy who has to be a dick.
BHuang92 Have you ever heard of the "Ribbon Bridge"?
@Evan Ulvan
Don't forget their tendency to make war machines that are both overly large as well as so visually offensive that your eyes bleed just trying to behold them....but they don't care as Russians have generally always favored function to the near or total exclusion of form, they don't care if it rapes your eyes looking at it as long as it does what it's designed for.
8:11 Well whaddya know, it's almost like ships are built longer than they are wide for a reason!
Omg, russians invented tank controls before tanks were invented. God bless crazy tzarist engineers.
one of them invented modern bomber that not an airship and helicopters.
@@jalpat2272 You mean Igor Sikorsky don't you?😉
We'll he didn't quite invent the Helicopter, Etienne Oemicheimen dir that by building the first one that actually flew.
However Sikorsky build the first practical Helicopter, and the First in the tail rotor configuration.
You could argued that the Fa-61 was earlier, but it wasn't really useful for anything but showflights and testing.
And while the Fa-223 was the first series built helicopter, it came later than the VS-300 but before the R-4. Although in comparison to the R-4 the production numbers we're small.
He just described the problems with steering and l was like "golly why didn't they simply use the propellors?" and then Drach went "so they abandoned the rudder and used the propellors" and l was like wow this comment is going to be particularly pointless.
you mean differential steering?
That was a less embarrasing desing than i was led to believe.
I kind of like this idea, I mean they wouldn't be practical fleet ships but they could be churned out of a shipyard or two and used as self mobile coastal defence batteries that can be deployed and redeployed as needed. Fit them AA guns, depth charge launchers, and sonar and they could be fairly useful additions to a coastal city's defences.
yo this channel is so good to have a bowl and just chiiiiilllllll. thanks man! :D 9:36 hell yeah, slam one side into reverse and the other full forward i bet she spun real fast.
@Henryk Gödel don't forget to distribute mangos. the myrcene greatly enhances the high.
Im burning one too. Looking at my model stash.
And yet another ship I knew nothing about. And yet again another fantastic video Drach.
The Russians in the tabletop game Dystopian Wars had some circular warships like this. Never played with them, but I always wanted to know more about the real ships they were based on. Thanks!
So what I learned from this video is that this... ship should be remade with modern materials with vectored thrust hydrojets for propulsion and armed with both a 108 tube VLS in the centre as well as launchers for RAM. Or turn it into an assault carrier with a deployable air cushion to allow it to be the worlds first amphibious warship. 100% viable for which you have my utterly unfounded guarantee.
Ohhh the steampunk era.. how i miss it dearly :(
The wooden lamination of armour was to prevent spalling and also wracking caused by copper head explosive shells (developed & used by the Royal Navy). Copper head shells were an early form of HESH shell and were a conventional bullet shaped iron cup shell with a gunpowder filling capped with a copper dome. On impact the nose would deform igniting the gunpowder by crushing it and the shockwave would be transmitted (the technical term is wracking) through the iron armour causing fragments to spawl off of the far side at great velocity.
This was an accidental discovery as the copper head shells were a crude form impact detonated munitions devised by the British Royal Navy and the devastating effects caused by wracking when fired at ironclads was simply an unexpected bonus feature.
Laminating the armour with wood (The British used Iron Wood, Teak and Oak) cancels out any wracking caused by a copper head shell impact thus insulating the inner hull from the armour belt.
Lol it cracks me up some of the ‘novel’ designs that actually made it past the peanut gallery and were built...only to then discover obvious flaws that were somehow overlooked then defended so as not to lose face
The engineers likely wouldn't have only lost face, but their lives also, if things didn't go well.
@@phatkatracing they would never have been killed for a failed project, unless there was a dictatorship. In the Russian Empire, as well as everywhere, if an engineer built a ship that was a complete fail, he would have had to pay for the fail (money) or even loose his job, but only this. No death penalty or torture. Those things happen only in some dictatorships. Not even in the middle ages you would get tortured or killed for failing at something!
Highsight 20/20.
The Russian word for pancake is Blin... ALL HALE THE BATTLE BLIN!!!!
iRoomba really has come a long way.
Topic request:
A little outside the usual focus, but I’d love it if you talked about the cannon-armed galleys/galleases that patrolled and fought in the various inland seas like the Baltic and the Med from (I believe) the 1500s right up through the 1700s.
They fascinate me.
One of C S Forester's Hornblower books had a battle with cannon armed galleys in a calm. I'd be interested also.
Look up john Paul Jones the only Scottish Russian American honoured in all three countries .
Joe Arnold
Yes! I love those too!
Wonder if a modified "golf ball effect" would help the speed on such a hull or any for that matter.
Black Sea pictured at 3:14 when talking about Baltic Sea? Wonderful topic!
No dude, they are the same thing! An analogy would be Germany and Deutschland. We call it Germany but the 'natives' call it Deutschland. We call it "the Baltic sea", but the natives use the traditional Slavic terms "Black" and "sea" to describe it. Its like Hungary, Romania and Bulgaria. They sound like 3 different countries, but they're not.... Its all the same single country.... See?
@@patrickmcleod111 LOL, dude, that's an overload of misinformation. Literally everything you said is wrong...
Edit: Sorry, You're right about Germany.
@@watcher13th
Yeah, I wasn't being being serious.
How interesting, I seem to remember reading something on these 'ships' in the long distant past. Taking a single design concept to the extreme.
Interesting. A warship that maneuvers like a tank.
What a cliffhanger at the end! I'm thorougly intrigued.
Wow i had NO idea these ever existed! cool stuff!
Got to love innovative thinking. Great videos.
Very interesting and packed full of info - thanks.
Dude this is the best UA-cam channel. Thank you Drachinifel
I'm slightly envious of the guy who realised he could perform doughnuts with a warship.
I was thinking if you mounted a circular upper hull on twin or triole hulls you could get a faster (10+) knot ship that is both conventionally maneuverable as well as having the engine spin ability. Her weakness is speed. It carried the armament of a much larger ship and could have carried a lot more. But ships use speed and maneuverability to stay alive. We cant know for sure but it would be awesome to simulate a battle between this and a British battleship of the time. Im pretty sure the battleship would win though as it would pick when it fought
Wow! This is nuts!
Up until 1950 any idea was built and tested,its so cool that pictures and drawings exist of all these weird ships,planes and whatever :)
That is one interesting video I stumbled upon over a vehicle I thought I knew. A video that was pretty well researched (although I would like to see the sources in the description as well) and of a higher quality that I had assumed by the intro (and outro). Good job.
I'd call them a good design for littoral waterways. Their good maneuverability (once they figured out engine turning) and very shallow draft are both excellent features. In many ways they were the ideal design for such a ship given the technology of the time. They did what they were designed to do quite well with no huge drawbacks.
As soon as I saw the new upload I started humming the opening music.
I love it, utterly absurd designs are the best.
Oh, the disappearing mounts you take about are actually very interesting pieces of engineering, I got to see a couple when I visited several coastal forts that dated back to the revolution (the mounts didn't, obviously) I believe it was for Moultrie that had the disappearing pints mounts, but they had guns and defensive world from every era the fort was active in, another fun fact about Moultrie is that it's the reason South Carolina has a palmetto tree on it's flag, bc that's what it's revolutionary war era defensive works were constructed from
I was watching this with growing incredulity and then what put me over the edge to start laughing was the bit about the guns spinning around after firing
The greatest aquatic merry-go-round ever!!!
What fun! !:-) 😂🙃😂 🖖
I wonder how well this would adapt to modern applications? Like say a leisure ship for example. The around deck would be a great platform for parties and such.
A weaponized merry-go-round! I think, being silly.
"It could rotate so fast it made the crew dizzy."
I IS a weaponized merry-go-round.
Baltic fleet? You mean Black sea, right?
Exactly. If the ships were in the Baltic it wouldn't be surprising that they didn't see action against Turkey! I can't imagine that the Ottomans had a fleet based in Sweden.
@@davemorgan6013 Turkish torpedo boats were regularly patrolling the baltic sea. My history teacher kamchatka assured me they were a massive threat to the baltic fleet!
It looks as if these ships would have been tremendously vulnerable to long-range plunging fire through the thin and wide roof top deck area. This was one of the issues with Union ironclads that were vulnerable to Confederate hill-top fortifications and mortars.
Yeah that figures. It seems like he was an absolute madman, do check out what happened to his Livadia yacht that was mentioned at the end here.
Also if the propellers can get lifted out of the water in large waves, the big changes in resistance could be bad for the engines, and how the heck did they not know a slightly larger than normal rudder wouldn't be enough before they built the whole thing.
That's normal for ships of that era. Most ship to ship engagements were pretty close, and "plunging" from that era would be like five or ten degrees, not like 40+.
As for hilltop emplacements, well, I read somewhere that they have maneuverability and speed issues that would even allow ...unhydrodynamic... ships to escape.
Sounds like a floating bathtub. I don't imagine they were very streamlined or very fast. It would be funny watching one's gun turret spin around every time they fire it. Also look up concrete battle ships. They were actually very effective, but not moveable. Actually they were concrete islands with gun on them. On a different note modern armored ships are now very vulnerable to missile attacks.
There was an oval almost circular tug design called the Ship Docking Module (SDM) designed in the USA in the mid 1990's.
1:15 '...of course a ship, does need to retain some minor details...like buoyancy.'
😮😅😅😅🤣
*it's the minor bits of humor that are so f funny*
The only ship built that you could get dizzy by some clever engine work.
That yacht looks as if it would be very stable if nothing else. Would be very interested in seeing a video on it
HMS Captain shown at 1:15. One of my ancestors went down with that one.
I really like the manner of speaking/humor of the narrator.
Interesting concept
You never know until you try
Cute design
Imagine this thing with Voith-Schneider drives. It would be like an amusement ride.
Very interesting!
A very amusing design all round
Perfect for reef creation and diving tours.
I love it !!!
This is so insane, I m surprised the French did not come up w this ideal first.
People do what people must do.
Love,
David
Why cross the *T* when you could dot the *i* ?
Ah. The Popovkas. I read about these sometime during high school.
Mr Drachinifel , I enjoy your videos very much, have always been fascinated with naval history, I have always wondered what it means when a ship has to return to port for a refitting or refit and wye does this or cause this to take place, have heard this term many many times but have never quite understood what was going on, I hope this question is not to dumb to answer, thanks again.
Ok, that was fascinating.
Imagine the Russian Empire sending this to Tsushima?
Op there goes the binoculars
They wouldn't have needed the Kamchatka to have EVERYTHING go wrong!
That “aft” with the array of whirling blades is quite terrifying to behold.
Its cute! I like it!
It was revolutionary!!
Fantastic video!! Any chance you could discuss HMS Vanguard in the future? History, comparison with other battleships, etc.?
That is one of the stranger ships I've ever seen. It looks like the end result of an H.G. Wells experiment to build a UFO. Neat video... subscribed!
I look forward to your discussion on the Flower Class and the Fletcher Class. Both small (compared to Battleships) but both served vital roles in the war.
Also something you might think about what if the Japanese would of had radar and it's gun fire control that was comparable to the USA or Britain. Wonder how the IJN Fuso and IJN Kirishima would have fared then. I am sure they would still have meant the briny deep eventually if not still at the same time.
USA was working on Radar but I am sure the radar information England shared with the US and Common Wealth countries helped tremendously.
Fred Maxwell
The later IJN ships did have radar. They never managed to hook it directly to the fire directors.
Reinventing the wheel. Also, the advantages to be for armor weight compared to volume. I can see why they would use it for a royal yacht.
I love it
Merci beaucoup.