Saivam vainavam Aseevagam are the religions followed by Tamils. Sanatan Dharma is religion of Sanskrit peoples. Sanatan Dharma is based on vedic Dharma but Tamil religion are based on Aram. Hinduism is collection of Indian religions to ease legal codification.
Allah came from the Vedic Aryan god Dushera. He was one of the many gods worshipped in the Kaaba before the rise of monotheistic religions. Vedic Hinduism gave birth to Zoroastrianism, which later gave birth to Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. Allah was a moon god, one of the 100 gods worshipped in the Kaaba. Allah originally had a wife and daughters before the concept of monotheism emerged. Different tribes in the Middle East worshipped various gods, which eventually merged into the worship of one god. Jesus, in turn, is thought to have connections to the Indo-European god Dionysus. Christmas also has links to the Vedic Sun god Mithra's festival
@@mohammedsaleem-dh8eqIn pre-Islamic Arabia, the Arabs worshipped 360 gods, including the sun, moon, and stars. They built temples to the Moon-god, who was known by various names such as Sin, Hubul, Ilumquh, and Al-ilah. The title al-ilah was used for the Moon-god, and the name Allah is derived from it. The pagan Allah was one among many deities worshipped in Mecca and was associated with the Kaaba, where a statue of Hubul, considered a Moon-god, was placed. Over time, "Allah" replaced Hubul as the supreme deity's name, and the Kaaba became known as the House of Allah. Pre-Islamic religious practices included rites such as pilgrimage, fasting during Ramadan, circling the Kaaba seven times, kissing the black stone, shaving the head, animal sacrifices, running between two hills, throwing stones at symbolic devils, ritual ablutions, daily prayers facing Mecca, almsgiving, and Friday prayers. Many of these practices were later incorporated into Islamic traditions, as noted in the commentary of Yusuf Ali (fn. 214, pg. 78; fn. 223, pg. 80).
@@mohammedsaleem-dh8eqThe Arabs in pre-Islamic times worshipped 360 gods. They worshipped the sun, moon, and stars and built temples to the Moon-god. Different Arab tribes gave the Moon-god various names or titles, such as Sin, Hubul, Ilumquh, and Al-ilah. The title 'al-ilah' (the god) was used for the Moon-god, and the word 'Allah' is derived from al-ilah. In pre-Islamic Mecca, Allah was just one of many gods worshipped in a pantheon. The Kaaba was the 'house of the Moon-god,' and a statue of Hubul, considered a Moon-god, was placed on top of it. Over time, the name 'Allah' replaced Hubul as the primary deity, and the Kaaba became known as the 'house of Allah.' The pagans practiced numerous rituals tied to their gods, such as the pilgrimage to the Kaaba, fasting during Ramadan, running around the Kaaba seven times, kissing the black stone, shaving the head, animal sacrifices, running between the hills of Safa and Marwah, throwing stones at the devil, ritual washing, praying multiple times a day toward Mecca, giving alms, and holding Friday prayers. Muhammad commanded his followers to continue these pagan ceremonies while the pagans still controlled Mecca (Yusuf Ali, fn. 214, pg. 78). Over time, Islam incorporated these pagan rites into its religious practices (Yusuf Ali, fn. 223, pg. 80). The Qur'an originally included verses instructing the worship of Al-Lat, Al-Uzza, and Manat, known as 'the daughters of Allah,' in Surah 53:19-20. These verses, referred to as 'The Satanic Verses,' were later removed from the Qur'an. The crescent moon, an ancient pagan symbol of the Moon-god, was widely used in Arabia and became associated with Islam. The stars, representing the daughters of Allah, were also pagan symbols. Islam adopted many elements of pre-Islamic paganism, including names, ceremonies, temples, and symbols. Over the centuries, these practices were rebranded as Islamic, but their origins remain rooted in pre-Islamic traditions
Tamil is more than language, when you read its literature it promotes the oneness of all living beings but it is dissolving nowadays in tamil, tamil peoples must bring back its glory and helps the coming together of humanity.
@jimmatrix7244 iam not supporting Dravidian identity, iam telling essence of tamil is fusion of people and love for every living being and nothing else
@@santhoshkumar-rq5fr It was like that until the arrival of Dravidianism and missionaries. Worst is the ideology of Father of Incest and Immorality, E.V Ramasamy aka Periyar. Mild mannerism, morality gone in the wind. Selfishness took precedence, divine practices ridiculed. Govt schools are infested with Christian teachers. Tamil Nadu is slipping away to invader's religion.
Tamilians are peace loving, not having enimity with any religions. We worship Murugan and follows Periyar. Might look strange, but this is truth. Self respect is more than anything. Thanks for taking steps to understand more about Tamilnadu. Equally, inclusiveness is important.
@@senthilnayagam1734 Yes. Bro I'm a Lord Siva Devotee and I love the great reformist Periyaar's பகுத்தறிவு சிந்தனைகள். Saivism does not speak about Superstitious beliefs, unlike the Aryan culture which imposes illogical beliefs.
@@selvalingam1263 Most of the Aryans converted to Islam so easily Most of the North Indian are Muslim and Sikh and they are giving lecture that other are not religious Due to South India Shiva, Vishnu worship is alive
@srabanbanerjee7590 I lived in both Tamil Nadu,Ap, Telangana. And I saw the close similarity in Kerala and Karnataka history and culture also. They are not sanatanis. Sanathana dharmam was imposed on South Indians . We are south Indians and our language is our identity.
Even Maharashtra is ancestrally more related to us but with different language Official languages of Rashtrakuta and Chalukya empires was Kannada. We invaded the north. Secondly, a lot of "Sanskrit influence" in Dravidian language is the other way around. You can look at Aboriginal Australian languages and a lot of words will sound like Sanskrit. This is because Dravidian is the world's oldest language, and spread from India. Sanskrit is a Dravidianized IndoEuro language.
@@nagalingampillairajaraman7294 Yes, it's written in Tamizh for all mankind irrespective of race and creed. English version is available. In Malaysia, I learned Saiva Sidthaantha Philosophy in English first and then in Tamizh under a Professor.
Migrations to the South. Damn it. Wé have Shiva temples older than Prophète, Jésus, Krishna and Even Ram. Thèse temples predate Ramayana 😂 And this man says shaivism ça me from Central india 😅@@yahqappu74
In my opinion, northern political parties will do anything to take over the second richest state. Be it, imposing their language or their brand of religion. As long as we see ourselves as Tamil first and everything else second, that's all that matters
@@kumarsubramanian6281 agreed totally, like in every community, you will have the fringes who pursue their agenda for whatever gain, but if one's own bakthi is strong, then nothing will happen, right?
@@antonydevadass4856 yes. Hope the fringes numbers stay same and religious leaning takes lowest priority. But if the fringes increase and take one-sided political stand , the opposing political parties are ready to jump in , to take advantage of the fault lines....
@@amitmahajanhistory We Tamils don't want shitty ev.va.ra. Long before stupid person like him were born the Tamils had self-respect and self-identity. Most important thing is Lord Sivan and Vishnu are Tamil Gods and not this santhanm like character that you folks claim. hinduism is a mix of religion nothing more.
The presenter said Vishnu is foreign element but it is not true. Mayan is the original name of Vishnu and Mayan or Thirumal or Perumal is part of the Tamil gods.
Incorrect. Maayon is the tamil name for Krishna. Maayon literally means the "The Black man". Perumaal means "the great black". Thirumaal means "Mr. BLACK". All these terms were used to denote Krishna. In fact, krishna itself is a sanskritized Tamil god. They merged all the elite figures in Indian history into vishnu. Matsya avathar is none other than Noah's story. Vamana avathar is a story of a bhramin(vamaha) deceiving a King in Kerala, Mahabali. Buddha was a prince who was merged as a 9th avathar. Kalki was a muslims/christian ideology of second coming of Christ. See all these people are elite figures whom these Brahmins merged into a 1 god and mere avathar. But we know parashurama was kingdom in Tulu region. Maayon(krisna) and Mahabali are kings of Ancient Tamilagam. Buddhism was a prince in the north. Kalki and Noah are middle East figures. Seriously? Buddha said there is no god, but believed only in spirituality. But these people made buddha as a vishnu avatar. Believing this is stupid. They didn't only do this with Kings, but also certain queens. Kottravai was a Tamil chieftain queen. They made her an avatar of parvati. Meenakshi was a pandian princess, they made her as an avatar as well. Kaanji kaamaatchi, was a queen of kanchipuram region. Look at this pattern. They merged all these people and termed them as avatar of an aaryan god. And now they are saying Kannagi was also an avatar of paarvathi. Entire Tamil literatures say shiva as a southee. Infact seyon and Shivan was thought to be the one to hoist first sangam. Shiva was thought to first pandian king.
@@whoops0 Nice story😂😂😂😂. Every Tamil people writes their own histories without passing history in school. U people were originally good at maths. Try to do that. Don't intervene at everything.
@@srabanbanerjee7590 at least go read Silapathigaram, puranaanooru and aganaanooru. Yes we are good at science, math, and history as well. As you mentioned "You guys are good at math" you are right in a way though. It is just that you guys don't realises how good tamils are in math. You guys say Aaryabhatta invented 0. But sangam literature Paripaadal already mentioned "Paazh(0), kaal(1/4), paagu(1/2), ondru(1), irandu((2)... And goes on... We tamils have been finding more and more proofs. You guys are gonna cry. Get ready with your tissues. We are not like you guys who only either read Mughals, sultanates or vadas mahabharat or ramayana. We have own literatures and we read them in schools.
The beauty of Tamilnadu is you can find a John, Jayaram and Nabil can travel together as friends without any barriers. I have seen many North Indians wonders in our harmony.
We tamils believe in a religion related to spirituality and faith, but not related to politics. But you people from the North relate religion with politics. That is the basic difference between North and South. Don't mix religion with politics. We tamils have understood the political minded Sanatana Manuwadis to gain political mileage by using religion as a tool. Tamils never going to accept it.
U will understand when maximum of ur state will be captured by Political religions i.e. the Abrahamic religions which have been made for politics like Christianity and Islam. Hinduism or Sanatan dharma were never political. But it has been made political to tackle these Abarahamic religions there was no second way.
I’m a Tamil, As we expect our North Indian brothers to understand us, we should also understand our North Indian Brothers, you will understand them only if you think by standing in their shoes. For nearly a 1000 years most North Indian Hindus were treated second class citizens in their own land. I’m not being racists, but Islam in general anywhere you show has the tendency to completely take over and destroy the local culture. If you don’t understand, check the Population on Hindus in Pakistan and Bangladesh in the 1950s and compare how it declined. You may immediately argue they all changed the religion voluntarily, but we all know it didn’t happen that way even if you read BBC or even Pakistan’s own Dawn newspaper online. You know a people called “Kalash” in North West Frontier were constantly torchured to convert. Such was the humiliation our North Indian brothers also faced, how will you feel if Thanjavur Peruudaiyar temple was razed to ground in front of your eyes and a mosque was built over it? That’s what happened for 1000 years in North India. Their women if abducted will be either converted and married as 4th wife or converted to slave and raped by anyone since their religion says you can behave however to slave Girls. Just because you are secular because we never faced any persecution don’t use the same lens to view others. They went through hell which we could never understand. So stop this nonsense
You may not be too brilliant to understand Tamil Hindus........ We leave slippers outside home when we enter and leave our God's and Goddesses inside house when we leave out...... That's it......
People are learning and educating themselves about Tamil nadu in the social media universiry but reality is: 1) In Tamil nadu Majorly, in every family, every village, the first and foremost religious practice is Kula dheivam (we worship our forefathers or warriors), it has nothing do with VEDIC at all. Again, it has nothing to do with VEDIC. It is purely Tamilians belief. No family function without them (be it happy or sad) they're always there. 2) Tamils pay a huge respect to their kings and rulers who cared for their people, then after their demise many of such kings or rulers are given godly stature, then centuries laters they really even considered to be GOD. All the temples in Tamil nadu standing tall even today, and actively for this reason. 3) Tamils worship the nature, the sun (for ex. Pongal), all the happenings of the nature. 4) Tamils and kings/ rulers give high regards and respect to the Animals who helped them in every aspects of life. For example, Elephant whoch helps in the construction, farm, in the war zone. It is the firat God for tamils (coming from the oldest religion of Indian subcontinent "samanam"). Then Cow which is another domestic animal is part of Tamils life (for example, during Pongal, a farm festival every village will do prayers for Cow, and they also do some sports with it "Jallikattu".). Even today if such a Jallikattu cow dies it is given higer respect and sometime a temple is built. Like a NANDI in front of Saiva temple (Sivan). Even today, in the mountains, Tamils worship nature gods and Varaham (Pig), and Monkey. Near the sea shore, the Tamils worship sea, river and living beings in it. Tamils worship snakes too 5) Tamils, dont care if the warrior is men or women, they are given highest respect and they are Gods. 6) Samanam (oldest religion) => Saiavm (tons of Tamil literatures); some aspects of Samanam copied to Vainavam(tons of literatures); later many many philosophers and many many ideas but wverything stands simply on the main Tamils belief. 7) Tamils, kings and rulers has a rich art form, every temple is standing proof for it, You don't need a book or palm leaves to prove. Some highly achieved arts becomes saints or given godly status. All ancient Tamil beliefs has nothing to do with Vedic (Rig veda or the other three) or sanksrit but unfortunately during many centuries due to invasion, the "yagna (pray to the fire) is inserted. The base, structure, culture is always Tamil and it's just the (yagnam) is just a add on. Tamils accepted some people to settle here and make a living but at the same time revolt if something is not. Every Tamil structure, culture and belief in Tamil nadu is Tamils own, (some ancient practices are still lving in the mountain's), people came here during invasion easily stole it and made it themsleves just by adding one thing extra (yagnam), vedic believes by praying to Fire God everything will be solved but Tamilians believes and worship the Sun, the nature and animals around him. Today Tamil community is realising the reality and trying to get their shares back, nothing wrong in it. Hinduism is more legal term than religious belief, in Tamil nadu the belief is beyond a single word Hinduism
Nice video. One correcttion Thirukkural doesn't have a single word called tamil and it is mentioned in thirukural that itself belongs to the entire humanity
Bro i would like to correct something. Aadhi-dravidars, paraiyars, and saambavars are the same people. Pariyars were treated so lowly. For example: indian street dogs are called Paraiah dogs. An indian white dog was called Brahmini Dog. Similarly, there is a kite bird too. Paraiah kite(kite that has brown head) and brahmini kite (that has white head. Similarly they pariah and brahmini cows too. So paraiyars were pushed back after Vijayanagar empire(vishu patriot empire) conquered Tamilagam. Even Cholas are paraiyar. A temple has cholas surname as paraiyars. These paraiyars after independence, as an act of self respect movement, many of them changed their caste name. In northern part of Tamilnadu, they changed their surname as Aadhi dravidar. And in south tamil nadu they changed their surname as saambavar(it is not shaanar).
இவ்வாறு பழந்தமிழரின் தெய்வங்கள் கீழ்மைப் படுத்தப் பட்டதில் வைதீகத்தின் வளர்ப்புப் பிள்ளையான சிவனியத்திற்குப் பெரும் பங்குண்டு. பாலை நிலத் தெய்வமான கொற்றவை சிவனுக்குப் பெண்டாகவும், குறிஞ்சி நிலத் தெய்வமான முருகன் சிவனுக்குப் பிறந்தவன் என்றும், முல்லை நிலத் தெய்வமான திருமாலைச் சிவனுக்கு அளியன் என்றும், மருத நிலத் தெய்வமான இந்திரன் சிவனின் தயவால் இந்திர உலகத்தை ஆள்பவன் என்றும், நெய்தல் நிலத் தெய்வமான வருணன் சிவனது ஏவலாளாக மழை பொழியும் வேலையைச் செய்பவன் என்றும் இவ்வாறாகச் சிவனியம் தமிழ்த் தெய்வங்களைக் கொச்சைப் படுத்தியே வந்ததுடன், பழந்தமிழரின் ஆசீவகச் சமயத்தின் சமணப் பிரிவினர் கொல்லா நோன்பினர், அவர்களையெல்லாம் அனல்வாதம் என்ற பெயரால் சுண்ணாம்புக் காளவாயிலிட்டு எரித்தும், புனல்வாதம் என்ற பெயரில் கல்லைக் கட்டிக் கடலில் எறிந்தும், ஆட்சியாளர்களின் துணையோடு கழுமரமேற்றிக் கொன்றும் தமிழர் தம் விழுமிய மெய்யியலை அழித்ததில் சிவனியமே முதலிடம் பெற்றது. ஆனால் குதிரை கீழே தள்ளியதுடன் குழியும் பறித்தது போன்று தமிழர்களின் தனிப்பெரும் சமயம் சிவனியமே என்றதோர் மாயையையும் ஏற்படுத்தியது. அண்மைக் காலத்திய தமிழ்ச் சான்றோர் சிலரும் கூடத் தமிழும் சைவமும் இரண்டு கண்கள் என்றனர். அந்த அளவுக்குத் தமிழர்களை மடையர்களாக்கியது சிவனியமே.
Saying this for those who misunderstood Tamil & Tamilnadu Tamilnadu is the most hospitable state in India, I'm not exaggerating just mix "vanakkam, nanri or anna" with whatever language you speak and talk with anyone in Tamilnadu, They understand that, you're not a tamilian but making efforts to speak tamil language. And guess what, That's enough for the them to get overwhelm😀, get emotional and Treat you as gold. Truly over religion, caste it's the Tamil emotion is what drives them and kept unite over tge the period.♥️ Best wishes from Tamilnadu 👍
There is a difference between Tamil Dharma and Sanatan dharma ~ In Tamil dharma there's no upper Lower people's 👥 Even one Ant 🐜 life is equal to One Human Life
Tamil people had priest community and not caste. The priest community consisted of anyone who is qualified. There was no caste in Tamil but Brahmin who came from North maintain their caste and they were minority. The caste system was widespread in Tamil after decline of Tamil kingdoms. Due to political pressure and survival, the priest community merged with Bharamin.. Tamil has its own literature and religious practices such as Aahama and religious literatures so they are not dependent on Vedas. This is the reason why Tamil are not Sanathanis, Sanathana is primarily coming from Vedic based Hindu religion. Tamil Hindu religion is non Vedic.
But Buddhism was also followed in Tamil Nadu. Buddhism is non Vedic. But Buddhism is Sanatan as Buddha said. U don't know the definition of Sanatana religion. Sanatana religion is not dependent on Vedas. It is that religion which is eternal and can incorporate any ideology which has eternal truth. Sanatana religion also includes atheism which was nonvedic like the Charvaka philosophy.
We have srirangam world's biggest Narayan temple most underrated in terms of tourist attractions..believe me it's most powerful n marvellous it's dedicated to lord Venus n Narayan.
Origin of Bhakti movement is in the South India in between 7th and 8th century and Saint Ramanuja played a prominent role in it's spread over other parts of India.
Tamils are not Hindus but Aseevakam which is a way of life based on rational thinking that existed in ancient India. Tamil siddha Krittinan( Mahabharata Krishnan) 5100 years ago gave Thirukural
Good effort laudable for your research. Vainavum (Vishnu) and Saivam (Shiva) was always there. Remember avtars of Vishnu is less worshiped in TN.But when you travel towards 1st BC you will find less proof of both Shiva and Vishnu.You jumped from 6-8th century to 10-11th century. Inbetween these Bakhti movement reached North India which was started by Adi Shankaracharya. Thiruvalluvar and tholkapiyar are beyond religion. Before the Nayanmars there was both Shiva and Vishnu but also a third religion Ajvinka (Samanam in Tamil) . When you research about this period you will get more insight.
@@amitmahajanhistoryIncorrect. Maayon is the tamil name for Krishna. Maayon literally means the "The Black man". Perumaal means "the great black". Thirumaal means "Mr. BLACK". All these terms were used to denote Krishna. In fact, krishna itself is a sanskritized Tamil god. They merged all the elite figures in Indian history into vishnu. Matsya avathar is none other than Noah's story. Vamana avathar is a story of a bhramin(vamaha) deceiving a King in Kerala, Mahabali. Buddha was a prince who was merged as a 9th avathar. Kalki was a muslims/christian ideology of second coming of Christ. See all these people are elite figures whom these Brahmins merged into a 1 god and mere avathar. But we know parashurama was kingdom in Tulu region. Maayon(krisna) and Mahabali are kings of Ancient Tamilagam. Buddhism was a prince in the north. Kalki and Noah are middle East figures. Seriously? Buddha said there is no god, but believed only in spirituality. But these people made buddha as a vishnu avatar. Believing this is stupid. They didn't only do this with Kings, but also certain queens. Kottravai was a Tamil chieftain queen. They made her an avatar of parvati. Meenakshi was a pandian princess, they made her as an avatar as well. Kaanji kaamaatchi, was a queen of kanchipuram region. Look at this pattern. They merged all these people and termed them as avatar of an aaryan god. And now they are saying Kannagi was also an avatar of paarvathi. Entire Tamil literatures say shiva as a southee. The song goes like this, "Thennaattudaiya shivaney potri. Ennaattavarkkum iraiva potri" - Praise be to Shiva who belongs to the south. Praise be to the lord of all nations. Remember the word Iraiva in tamil is used both of kings and gods. Iraiva means "the one who give you shoulder to support on". Another song goes like, "thillaiyil koothaney thenpaandi naadaney" - meaning "the dancer in thillai, the south pandianite". Infact seyon(murugan) and Shivan were thought to be the one to hoist first sangam. Shiva was thought to be one of the earliest pandian king.
I would say that not only in Tamil Nadu, all Indian people should know about their history. We are the Indian origin, Aryan are culprit, they divide us in the name of caste. Say nobody up or down to us. all are equal..
Good that someone outside Tamil Nadu trying to understand the thought process of Tamils...though most of the content were good, as a Tamil i just want to clarify one thing about your understanding, Tamils are not against Vishnu or Vaishnavas ...We accept both Shiva and Vishnu as our God.. we don't accept Brahma as our God. Since Sanatana is based on Brahma ..Brahma is the core of Varna and Veda.. Both don't have any root connect with Tamils...Brahma Veda snd Varna came into Tamil Nadu with Sanatana ...We have lot of temples for Shiva and Vishnu in Tamil Nude more than any States in India ...We worship Both Shiva and Vishnu .we give even more importance to our ancestral Gods.. but we don't entertain or worship Brahma .( very few worship Brahma if you look them they are mostly settlers not Tamils .)....this is misunderstood by other state people as Tamils are against Hindu Gods. and Hindu Religion ..
India never had religion We have Dharmic culture across Indian subcontinent Where there are various Rishis like Agastya Muni, siddha,yogis and later Bhakti saint along with regional own Kuldevtas Popular worship Shiva Parivar, Vishnu Parivar etc It is Dharmic culture not Religion
Please read about Madurai sultanate of 13th century and how tamil nadu survived because of hindu kings intervention and how Brahmin warriors saved tamil nadu
Bro please understand that lord siva and sivlingam worship are two different things in ancient Tamil. Read more on ASSEVAGAM way of life of ancient tamilans . 😊
Thanks that you are understanding us. I would say that whole Indian continent was with Tamils (Nagas), and Tamil language spoken by whole India (Said by Ambedkar). Aryans (Only male) came to India, mixed with Native Indian women (Evidence by recent genomic research, mitochondrial chromosomes are identical to whole Indian women, Y chromosome predominates in aryan and no copy in Tamils.), Aryan language are mixed with northern languages created lot of languages in north at different region. Mixed with Tamil language created Telugu, Kannada, Malayalam. If you seperate the sanskrit words , then those language will be pure Tamil.
Tamil culture shows us that „Religion has no space in Politics“ Religion should be kept personal. Everyone can practice their own religion. But Politics should be same for everyone. Every on should be treated equally. This is the very important reason why BJP will never place it’s firm foot in Tamilnadu. Once you mix Religion and Politics. Millions of people from minority communities could feel suppressed in their own land. I don’t know why people see this in north of India. Why are we not moving towards a secular India. There should be no religious connection to a political party. But this has already happened and now the question is is are we really a democratic country???? BJP could have done many good things, but it puts Hindus forward in everything. Which is a very dangerous way to lead a country. I myself am a born Hindu from TN but will never tolerate a Political party with a religion background. I hope people in north move from this mindset and work towards a secular India. Hail Tamil und Jai Hind✊🏾
Its funny that its coming from an tamilian.. Where an politician Name uddhaynidhi called a particular religion as "diseases" And nothing happen to him... We all know what kind of shitt happen in TN politics.. Whether its bigotry toward north indians Or hindi speaking people.. And i forget one more Aryan dravidian theory...and the same DMK whose member put slipper garland on a Hindu God so you should be last one to talk about not mixing religion,..While making brahmins the punching bag... And ignoring the whole caste hierarchy then talk about social justice...
That's wrong. In ancient Tamil culture, there is no minority appeasement or popular politics. In the ancient Tamil cultures, we Tamils saw only the justice and truth. But now, due to vote bank politics, there is lot of minority appeasement, we can prove that, bet. There should not be separate treatment for minorities and majorities, both majorities and minorities are equal as like in our golden ancient Tamil culture, and no vote bank politics compromising aram (Tamil word) or justice for the sake of one section of group of people appeasement or minority appeasement, it was never in our ancient Tamil culture. I like how you want to hide and portray yourself for your own needs and wishes. Don't worry, we are also watching your propaganda.
What you said abt the Tamil saivam tradition is almost true.. but you totally missed and misunderstood the Tamil vainavam tradition. I recommend you to read about 'naalaayira divya prabandam', the '12 alwar saints' and the 'sree vaishnavam' tradition.
You have done a good job for a layman understanding although there could be some errors, the overall tone was as unbiased in presentation. The issue is far more complex and no one can throw clarity. The root of this discourse is perhaps on two issues. One the role of Beahmins in TN society and two the language issue of Tamil, Sanskrit and Hindi.
When 500 Note got demonetised, many poor elderly common people died standing in front of banks, where was your sanathana dharma? Who was responsible and who got punished???
Thanks for your efforts to understand my Tamil culture, my Indian brother. Kindly note that superiority of Brahmins and untouchability of lower caste people was real and had slowly crept into the Tamil society from the North and was prevelant untill the recent past. It is this social attitude that we Tamils are against. Otherwise, most of us are pious Hindus. Even the renowned sage Agastya is a Tamilan.
The Sanatani framework, which I use instead of Hinduism, was an ideological tool created by the Aryans to gain control over the Indian subcontinent not through direct force, but by systematically dismantling pre-existing identities and belief systems. This framework assimilated Tamil deities, altering their stories in ways that often demeaned them, in stark contrast to the glorified narratives of Aryan gods like Rama. This strategy became especially effective with the rise of Buddhism, which promoted equality, directly challenging Aryan hegemony. To counter this, the Sanatani framework weakened Buddhism by introducing the Mahayana sect, which deified Buddha contrary to his original teachings. Additionally, Buddha was absorbed into the Hindu pantheon as the ninth avatar of Vishnu, thereby diminishing Buddhism’s independent influence. Around 2,000 years ago, Tamil was widely spoken across all of South India, but today, it is primarily confined to Tamil Nadu. Languages like Kannada and Telugu were not distinct languages at the time; they were originally Tamil dialects. However, through the gradual incorporation of Sanskrit, these dialects evolved into separate languages, contributing to the decline of Tamil’s linguistic dominance. Both Sanskrit and the Sanatani framework were deliberately designed as instruments of cultural and political control, successfully eroding Tamil identity and diminishing its historical significance a process that continues to this day. Even in modern India, the Indian Constitution (Article 25(2)(b)) classifies Virashaivas, Lingayats, Buddhists, Jains, and Sikhs as Hindus, unless they are Muslims, Christians, Parsis, or Jews. This clearly demonstrates that the Sanatani framework was designed as a mechanism to maintain control over the Indian subcontinent. Furthermore, not only Shiva and Murugan, but even Vishnu was originally a Tamil deity. A clear pattern emerges: Tamil gods are portrayed in a derogatory manner, while Aryan gods are glorified within the Sanatani framework. This distinction can be observed by simply examining the narratives surrounding these deities if a deity’s story is demeaning or scandalous, it is likely a Tamil god if it is glorified and majestic, it is likely an Aryan god. For instance, Indra, in the Rig Veda, is depicted as a womanizer who engages in affairs with others' wives. Ayyappan’s origin story involves the union of Shiva and Vishnu, with Vishnu appearing as Mohini, his female form-this narrative is derogatory to all three deities. Similarly, Ravana is depicted as a womanizer and a villain, while Krishna is portrayed as a thief and a womanizer, with exaggerated claims of having thousands of wives, when in reality, the term referred to his cattle, not women. Most of the Sanskrit literatures including Vedas, Mahabaratha were Tamils work but it was destroyed and rewritten to support the Sanatani framework. The Sanatanis dominated the Indian sub continent for atleast 2500 years and will dominate for another 1000 or more years unless the real truths are Unearthed.
There are two types of Hinduism One is Adi Shankaracharya Casteist Orthodox Hinduism Second is Shiva-Shakti Parivar + Vishnu and his avatar worship Second one is followed by majority Hindus but the shankaracharyas want to control all Hindu tradition Hindu simply means people of Indian subcontinent We never had religion It is Dharmic culture
Whats with the pronunciation of words leaving the last vowel ? ie Saying Tamil-Nadu as Tamil-Nad ? or similar words ending with a vowel ? I See this in some Hindi speakers ?
@ thanks you , nandrigal pala(many thanks). But I respectfully trying to understand if your language’s phonetics influence on how you pronounce other words this way ? Happy to know.
Yes you could say so. In hindi most people pronounce tamil nadu as tamil nad at times which is confusing for me too. This confusion carries on to videos too. Apologies Nandrigal Pala brother🙏
The most amusing thing is that Tamil originated from the Elamite language and the Neolithic Iranian farmers' invasion of India. These Neolithic Iranian farmers had brown and light-brown skin complexions. They invaded the dark-skinned Onge-type people living in southern India and replaced their native languages, just as Brahmins did later. These different ethnicities eventually formed different castes. Tamil Nadu is the most casteist state in southern India. Nowadays, Tamils have 20-30% Neolithic Iranian ancestry and 50% Onge tribe ancestry, while Malayalis and other South Indians have 40-60% Neolithic Iranian ancestry. So, Tamil speakers are technically speaking a language introduced by those who once colonized them, similar to how they criticize Sanskrit. Casteism existed even before the arrival of Brahmins. The Indus Valley Civilization itself had two types of cities nearby, reflecting a class system. Even 5,000 years ago, Neolithic Iranians had advanced housing similar to the Indus Valley, while Onge people were treated as slaves. Tribes were only allowed to live in forests. Casteism existed during that time, and the elite language, Proto-Dravidian, spread deeper into the south, forcing the native languages like Bo, Nihali, or Vedda tribal languages to change
@@rgegrsegerghyuj4994 yes absolutely Tamils are the Dalits who do agriculture by themselves and live on their own instead of begging to Kingdoms and temples.Uzhudhundu vazhvare vazhvarmar Rellam thozhudhundu pin selbavar.(Kural:1033).
@@Kalki0025 Prot Dravidian ah 😅😅😅 Tamil under only came other 3 language Tamil has its own identity Not a Dravidian shelter . Tamil always own Where Dravidian has mentioned in script Dravidian name given by british . Don't tell like DMK politics They are not Tamilan .
Religion: Aryan's God is Agni, Indras. In Rig Veda, no siva, vishnu, murugan or Sakthi. So it is lucid that aryans took Indian God and controlled for their benefits.
Please try to understand why our minister said so, the sanadhna darma's main claim is 4 varnas but our tamil literature preches equality and all are born equal and all are eligible for every good things this world can offer. Though there is some good things we appreciat in sanathna darma it preches inequality among fellow citizens which is the main cause of suffering and poverty. In fact tamil nadu is the only state in india to have a greter equal distribution of wealth and education among all sector of the society. We have achieved this only because of periyar and even all of our tamil ancient texts preaches all are equal and deserve everything.
🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽 Sir please verify the pronunciations before going bla bla... That's the first step to making a vernacular content video.. it's very offending.. your initiative will then only be appreciated..
Please get your facts correct. You mentioned that Shiva Sidhant tradition started in the central India around 8th century. But two of the important people who revived the Shiva Sidhant tradition in Tamilnadu are from the 7th century. At timestamp 4:15, the 4 people you shown are the "Saiva Samaya Kuravargal". I was mentioning about the first 2 in the picture. Till today in most of the Shaivaite families the songs of these 4 people are sung during daily prayers. Please explain with facts how did you come to the conclusion that "Shiva Sidhant tradition started in the central India around 8th century".
Vanakkam Brother. Apologies for hurting your religious sentiments and not getting the chronology right.🙏 I request you to look iinto this video from the prism of intent and pride of great Tamizh people Nandri Brother🙏
👉👉👉Nothing cooked .. You have to start from, how the religions coexisted in Tamilnadu like Sivam , vainavam and more importantly Aseevagam ... Also know about the kula deivam in tamilnadu amoung the tamil community.. You will find the complex structure solved and roots by its own... Never judge by recent politics in past 100 years please. Thats will make all your research all in vein 👈👈👈
Boss Caldwell was the one who studied Tamil in depth mastered the language and Sanskrit… and all South Indian languages…. Tamil is older than Sanskrit and it has its own poetry grammar and prose and style … Harappa civilisations were Dravidian most Tamilian and most of Indians were Samanar ( Jain influences of non-violence and renunciation of desire) the God principle was not prevalent they only saw light as the supreme power of God… Bhramin culture came in and invaded and screwed it up basically
15:00 Ravan was a brahmin, now you are making him so called non Aryan ? Ram was kshatriya, a warrior. So much willful wrong "observation" In the scriptures the Dharma is called Sanatana Dharma which literally means Eternal Dharma. Hinduism is a word which was invented by the British to refer to Sanatan Dharma because of they were christian and so would not use" Eternal Religion" name because it would undermine their Christianity.
The Arabs in pre-Islamic times worshipped 360 gods. The pagan Arabs worshipped the sun, moon, and the stars. The Arabs built temples to the Moon-god. Different Arab tribes gave the Moon-god different names/titles, and some of the names or titles are Sin, Hubul, Ilumquh, and Al-ilah. The title 'al-ilah' (the god) was used for the Moon-god, and the word 'Allah' is derived from al-ilah. Was the pagan Allah a high god in a pantheon of deities? He was worshipped at the Kaaba. Allah was only one of many Meccan gods. They placed a statue of Hubul on top of the Kaaba. At that time, Hubul was considered the Moon-god. The Kaaba, thus, was the 'house of the Moon-god.' The name 'Allah' eventually replaced that of Hubul as the name of the Moon-god. They began calling the Kaaba the house of Allah. The pagans developed religious rites in connection with the worship of their gods. The pagans practiced the pilgrimage, the Fast of Ramadan, running around the Kaaba seven times, kissing the black stone, shaving the head, animal sacrifices, running up and down two hills, throwing stones at the devil, snorting water in and out of the nose, praying several times a day toward Mecca, giving alms, Friday prayers, etc. Muhammad commanded his followers to participate in these pagan ceremonies while the pagans were still in control of Mecca (Yusuf Ali, fn. 214, pg. 78). Islam went on to adopt these pagan religious rites (Yusuf Ali: fn. 223, pg. 80). Al-Lat, al-Uzza, and Manat were called 'the daughters of Allah.' The Qur'an, at one point, tells Muslims to worship al-Lat, al-Uzza, and Manat in Surah 53:19-20. Those verses were later 'abrogated' out of the present Qur'an. They were called 'The Satanic Verses.' The crescent moon is an ancient pagan symbol of the Moon-god throughout the ancient world. It was the religious symbol of the Moon-god in Arabia, and stars were also used as pagan symbols of the daughters of Allah. Did the Jews or the Christians of Arabia use the crescent moon with several stars next to it as a symbol? Islam adopted the pagan crescent moon and stars as its religious symbol. As Islam developed over the centuries, did it adopt pagan names, pagan ceremonies, pagan temples, and pagan symbols
Hindu is a Persian word language, after Aryans migrated to indian lands, these aryans used these word Hindu... so that ancient Tamils didnot follow aryas's Hindu.... and slso the aryan religion which captured "Shaivam, Shaktam, Vaishnavam, Ganapatyam, Kaumaram, Sauram
Saivaism has different sects. There was different traditions to Saivism. Saiva Siddhanatha is one sect. Pashupata Shaivism, Kashmiri Shaivism, Saiva Siddhanta, Lingayatism, Gorakhnath Shaivism, Kapalika, and the Tantra traditions are the various saiva sects. Saiva siddhanta got rooted in Tamil nadu. There is so much dating and archeological disputes regarding various sects. There was brahminical and non brahminical sects in Saivam too in the past. Nayanamars were mainly Jains or Samanars in tamil and followers of Assevagam, which is a much older religion to Jainism, they are were all converted to Saivaism. All these stories of nayanamar end in the death of these saints. The stories tell that they got entwined with Shiva and never returned back. This is just an eponymous way of saying they are killed or they were made to die. These nayanamar were part of different communities too, by bringing such people all into saivaism, an appropriation of Saivam happened during the this period.
Ram and ravanana are tamil because sanskrit was orginate around 3500 years old from central asia but tamil was like 10,000 year old so when ramayana happened tamil is tha only language spread all over in india Another evidence from indus valley civilization was they are tamil people after the eradication of indus valley Aryan invasion happen and vedic civilization flourish in India. If you believe it or not Tamil people are far different from vedic or aryan religion
Aryan migration happened Hinduism is mix culture but it is developed in Tamil Nadu Shaivism and Vaishnavism both developed in Tamil Nadu North Indian are mostly Muslim and Sikh today
AthiNathan( In Jainism the First Theethagarar) known in the Tirukkural as AthiPagavan was converted into Siva later in history , Tamizhs were Tantra Samana (the mother of Jainism and Buddhism) people of high civilization...
I'm from Tamil Nadu. Central government should eliminate DMK government and save Tamil Nadu. According to the history of Sanatana dharma, Lord Shiva created 2 languages. Tamil and Sanskrit. Lord shiva appointed his son Murugan as a God of thamizh language. Tamil kings built temples not mosque or church. Tamil kings are not mohammed chola or josheph pandiya. Literally there is no difference between real tamils and hindus. But many ☪️ancers and DMK in Tamil Nadu trying to change the history. Now ☪️ancers claiming thirupurankundram kovil as theirs. Thamizh is the last hope of sanatana dharmam.
It has been proven beyond any question that the Mohenjo-Daro / Harappa (Sindhu Saraswathi Civilization) people are Sanskrit speaking and the genes are the same between North and South Indians. This is so because it is the same people who migrated down south, as clearly depicted in Puranas. The places and flora and fauna mentioned in the Puranas are proven to be real places and things, because even today, after thousands of years, they are called by the same names and they are still in the same place. So, some knuckle headed Tamil guy claiming Brahmins are from some where else is total and complete BS. Wake up people. These divisions are for creating resentment among people and get some political mileage.
Tamil is the only surviving classical language in all over the world has 20000 years old, unlike Sanskrit, Ancient Greek, Latin, Hebrew, Egyptian and lot more. According to the 2011 census, only 0.002% of the Indian population speaks Sanskrit. Yet, you claim that Sanskrit is the root of our language and Sanathana dharma-does that make sense?" Tamil and south indian language is the mother of all other languages in the world. But don't argue that everything you discovered first then migrated to South. Including culture and Gods. We are purely into Aseevaham religion not Hindu. We're not boasting or claiming superiority, As a Tamil people, we get irritated when you teach history to us. In a recent corbondating result (5300 years) iron age started from south India (Tamil Nadu). Even Hebrew has strong connections to Tamil, with shared root words and linguistic similarities, FYI, Hebrew is the original language of the Bible. Not only Hebew, Korea, Japanese, Cameroonian etc.. That's ok, "How can you, as Indo-Aryan invaders, claim to know the true history of India? As an invaders. Approach history with a broad and open mind, but don't blindly cling to what you know with a narrow perspective. Thanks for understanding about Tamil people.
Dr. B.R. Ambedkar argued that the 'Asuras,' 'Dasas,' and 'Nagas' were all Tamils who spread across India in earlier times. Tamil kings ruled parts of northern India, as seen in Tamil literature. Over time, invaders took control of our deities, renamed them, and introduced caste systems along with many fictional stories, presenting them as truth. As Tamils, we are aware of our roots, and we believe in the principle "யாதும் ஊரே யாவரும் கேளிர், தீதும் நன்றும் பிறர்தர வாரா," which means "Every village is my village, and every person is my relative. Good and bad don't come from others; they come from within us." However, time and again, we are misled by both the Indian government and neighboring states when it comes to our rights
ellis whyte is the one who introduced the term Dravidian and gave definition for it. Later the missionary guy caldwell stole the credit in history and gave a modified definition for Dravidian
Not Dravidian Tamil always tamil Who told tamil another Dravidian Dravidian name given by british people Because 4 languages are connected so they are called Dravidian ( chera chola pandiya, pallavas, chalukya). Tamil has its own identity Because of all this DMK politics everyone is saying Tamil is Dravidian languages What a bad situation . The other 3 state they are telling Dravidian language no .But this DMK make a magical myth tamil people are Dravidian .Not Dravidian tamil . Tamil is always tamil .
The most amusing thing is that Tamil originated from the Elamite language and the Neolithic Iranian farmers' invasion of India. These Neolithic Iranian farmers had brown and light-brown skin complexions. They invaded the dark-skinned Onge-type people living in southern India and replaced their native languages, just as Brahmins did later. These different ethnicities eventually formed different castes. Tamil Nadu is the most casteist state in southern India. Nowadays, Tamils have 20-30% Neolithic Iranian ancestry and 50% Onge tribe ancestry, while Malayalis and other South Indians have 40-60% Neolithic Iranian ancestry. So, Tamil speakers are technically speaking a language introduced by those who once colonized them, similar to how they criticize Sanskrit. Casteism existed even before the arrival of Brahmins. The Indus Valley Civilization itself had two types of cities nearby, reflecting a class system. Even 5,000 years ago, Neolithic Iranians had advanced housing similar to the Indus Valley, while Onge people were treated as slaves. Tribes were only allowed to live in forests. Casteism existed during that time, and the elite language, Proto-Dravidian, spread deeper into the south, forcing the native languages like Bo, Nihali, or Vedda tribal languages to change
That’s just a theory, there’s no concrete evidence that it here Iranians were the og speakers of Dravidian languages. Also there’s concrete evidence that this wasn’t an invasion and was indeed peaceful, and they mixed with the indigenous people of India to create the Indus Valley civilization and they intentionally never expanded their civilization further then gujarat and lived peacefully with the aasi. However the aryan migration was indeed an invasion as evidenced by the implementation of the caste system.
@plazmagaming2182 The Aryan invasion is also a theory. Similarly, the Dravidian invasion has significant evidence, such as Iranian Neolithic ancestry being predominantly traced through the male lineage rather than the female lineage. This is accompanied by events like population collapse, the displacement of native languages, and the imposition of Dravidian languages. Adivasi populations began to decline around 6,000 years ago. The mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) of southern and western Indians largely originates from the Onge tribe, while the Y-DNA traces back to Proto-Dravidian lineage. This suggests that men were primarily involved in these invasions
Yes we are not dravidar and we are not hindus We are Tamil people we have our own time and date and we don't have caste system even we have our own medicine not ayurvedic it's siddha maruthuvam etc.
It so happened I watched two videos today that threw light on the Tamil Hinduism. One was your video. The other was an interview given by one Mr Pazha Karuppaiah. It would appear Brahmins among Tamils to have been the villians, and a movement by non Brahmin elite was started to end the domination of Brahmins in TN about a hundred years ago. In the rest of India the Brahmins of that region do not attract as much vehement opposition as the ones in TN recieve. I also suspect the divide and conquer strategy of the British used Brahmins as their administrative clerks, and this may have hardened the divide. Though non Brahmins also had education, I suspect the British created the selection bias to cultivte some dissonance among the local communities. As people closer to those in authority, these villains apparently became more hated villains. The movement against Brahmins was directed at Hindu temples as it was seen as the epicenter of Brahmin thought. Shankaracharya was responsible for the renaisaance of Hinduism. In his travels all over the country, he found 6 primary deities worshipped by people and acknowledged them as the six primary worshipping methods. Kaumaram, the worship of Muruga (Subramanya), was the primary sect identified by him for Tamil Nadu region. Shankara did not create new Gods. He merely held debates against people of alternate thought and won the debates, primarily against the Budhdhist and Jain thoughts. The current call for eradicating Sanatan arises from misunderstanding of what Sanatan is. I understand it means the 'ancient' default way of life. What the speakers for eradication of Sanatan are actually seeking is to eradicate the dominance of Brahmins. In their enthusiasm to attack one, they are attacking many other groups too. Though Brahmins of Tamil Nadu do not cause any significant trouble at present time, they are a good punching bag for political attention gathering. The political belief is that whoever can punch the 2% Brahmins would get more votes. So the dravidian Tamils apparently want a Brahmin mukt Hinduism. Else, they would rather like to be identified as non Hindus who worship Shiva, Muruga and many local Devatas. You should consider the many Shaiv Mutts in Tamil Nadu as the heads of the majority religion here, and not the Shankar Mutt Acharya who is considered the leader for the Brahmin community. It even appears to me that the Lingayat sect in Karnataka may sound attractive to the dravidan Tamils.
The expression "Sanathan Dharma" is a Sanskrit phrase . So the very phrase is difficult to accept. Tamil is older than Sanskrit ( North Indians and others will say Sanskrit). Whatever be it both are oldest and Nehru himself said that India alone is home to two classic languages Tamil and Sanskrit. Also Sun Tan as we call it believes in brahminical -sanskritic superiority which is unacceptable in TN where we consider everyone as Equals. Third and Most important point is Tamil is not considered a Language but a Religion. The reason being the richness of the language in terms of literature, grammar sophistication and amazing depths of its philosophy. We can stand on our own without Sanskrit or Hindi. But BJP and North Indians love Hindi which is a Mughal language in contrast to Tamil which is a Hindu language. There are more contradictions in North than the contradiction you see in the Tamil being opposed to Sun Tan. Also constantly calling all South Indians as Africans has made us dislike North India which is ruling over us.
Naathigam - Vedham marupadhu dhan naathigam. Thamizhargal naathiga vaadhigal. Thamizhs earliest known religion is Aeesavaham. Saivam, vainavam came in later but originated in Thamizh. There are artifacts supporting that which is dated centuries before. Thamizhs are spiritual people, not religious hence we don’t like the brahmnical vedic following label of Sanatanam coz in its roots it’s against Thamizh philosophy of “pirapokkum ella uyirkum” ; all lives are same, note that not all humans, it mentions all lives are same. So Thamizhs can never ever be okay with being called a Sanatani, in fact it’s the only one fort which Sanathanis can never breach. will never breach.
Your understanding on Tamil culture is at surface level..... Study in deepth then only you can understand why Tamils are proud on the language and unique of their culture in the coutry..Ancient tamils worshipped only the nature not gods created by migrated Ariya's...
first you want to one think, each state have his own language.but which state origin to sanskrit.find out the answer then came know.the truth why we not accept sanadhanam.because we have everything our own.
Is your boss accepted your School Assignment? Your Video title & content are very much against our land and people. Portraying in wrong way. Your are study are one side. Don't blame any Historical - Its an land of equality - create content based on separation among humanity. Think and create content "why violence in Minpur".
Kings were not Brahmins at all. The maximum atrocities against the SCs are by the other Castes over the years. There are any number of Hymns in Tamil being recited in all major Temples in TN. The Saints were from all castes.
Purananooru talks about India. Tamil language has more references to India than any other language. Valmiki ramayana talks about tamil language. So either you get more information from authentic sources or better not to talk about these sensitive topics.
Saivam vainavam Aseevagam are the religions followed by Tamils. Sanatan Dharma is religion of Sanskrit peoples. Sanatan Dharma is based on vedic Dharma but Tamil religion are based on Aram. Hinduism is collection of Indian religions to ease legal codification.
Oh really this is like Hindus claiming to know more about Islam than you.
Allah came from the Vedic Aryan god Dushera. He was one of the many gods worshipped in the Kaaba before the rise of monotheistic religions. Vedic Hinduism gave birth to Zoroastrianism, which later gave birth to Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. Allah was a moon god, one of the 100 gods worshipped in the Kaaba. Allah originally had a wife and daughters before the concept of monotheism emerged. Different tribes in the Middle East worshipped various gods, which eventually merged into the worship of one god. Jesus, in turn, is thought to have connections to the Indo-European god Dionysus. Christmas also has links to the Vedic Sun god Mithra's festival
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Allah= AUM=The light
@@mohammedsaleem-dh8eqIn pre-Islamic Arabia, the Arabs worshipped 360 gods, including the sun, moon, and stars. They built temples to the Moon-god, who was known by various names such as Sin, Hubul, Ilumquh, and Al-ilah. The title al-ilah was used for the Moon-god, and the name Allah is derived from it.
The pagan Allah was one among many deities worshipped in Mecca and was associated with the Kaaba, where a statue of Hubul, considered a Moon-god, was placed. Over time, "Allah" replaced Hubul as the supreme deity's name, and the Kaaba became known as the House of Allah.
Pre-Islamic religious practices included rites such as pilgrimage, fasting during Ramadan, circling the Kaaba seven times, kissing the black stone, shaving the head, animal sacrifices, running between two hills, throwing stones at symbolic devils, ritual ablutions, daily prayers facing Mecca, almsgiving, and Friday prayers. Many of these practices were later incorporated into Islamic traditions, as noted in the commentary of Yusuf Ali (fn. 214, pg. 78; fn. 223, pg. 80).
@@mohammedsaleem-dh8eqThe Arabs in pre-Islamic times worshipped 360 gods. They worshipped the sun, moon, and stars and built temples to the Moon-god. Different Arab tribes gave the Moon-god various names or titles, such as Sin, Hubul, Ilumquh, and Al-ilah. The title 'al-ilah' (the god) was used for the Moon-god, and the word 'Allah' is derived from al-ilah.
In pre-Islamic Mecca, Allah was just one of many gods worshipped in a pantheon. The Kaaba was the 'house of the Moon-god,' and a statue of Hubul, considered a Moon-god, was placed on top of it. Over time, the name 'Allah' replaced Hubul as the primary deity, and the Kaaba became known as the 'house of Allah.'
The pagans practiced numerous rituals tied to their gods, such as the pilgrimage to the Kaaba, fasting during Ramadan, running around the Kaaba seven times, kissing the black stone, shaving the head, animal sacrifices, running between the hills of Safa and Marwah, throwing stones at the devil, ritual washing, praying multiple times a day toward Mecca, giving alms, and holding Friday prayers. Muhammad commanded his followers to continue these pagan ceremonies while the pagans still controlled Mecca (Yusuf Ali, fn. 214, pg. 78). Over time, Islam incorporated these pagan rites into its religious practices (Yusuf Ali, fn. 223, pg. 80).
The Qur'an originally included verses instructing the worship of Al-Lat, Al-Uzza, and Manat, known as 'the daughters of Allah,' in Surah 53:19-20. These verses, referred to as 'The Satanic Verses,' were later removed from the Qur'an. The crescent moon, an ancient pagan symbol of the Moon-god, was widely used in Arabia and became associated with Islam. The stars, representing the daughters of Allah, were also pagan symbols.
Islam adopted many elements of pre-Islamic paganism, including names, ceremonies, temples, and symbols. Over the centuries, these practices were rebranded as Islamic, but their origins remain rooted in pre-Islamic traditions
Tamil is more than language, when you read its literature it promotes the oneness of all living beings but it is dissolving nowadays in tamil, tamil peoples must bring back its glory and helps the coming together of humanity.
Get rid of Dravidian divisive force and the conversion machineries.
@jimmatrix7244 iam not supporting Dravidian identity, iam telling essence of tamil is fusion of people and love for every living being and nothing else
@@santhoshkumar-rq5fr It was like that until the arrival of Dravidianism and missionaries. Worst is the ideology of Father of Incest and Immorality, E.V Ramasamy aka Periyar. Mild mannerism, morality gone in the wind. Selfishness took precedence, divine practices ridiculed. Govt schools are infested with Christian teachers. Tamil Nadu is slipping away to invader's religion.
Tamilians are peace loving, not having enimity with any religions.
We worship Murugan and follows Periyar. Might look strange, but this is truth. Self respect is more than anything.
Thanks for taking steps to understand more about Tamilnadu.
Equally, inclusiveness is important.
Not follow periyar. Follows Bharadhiyar
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Yes. Bro I'm a Lord Siva Devotee and I love the great reformist Periyaar's பகுத்தறிவு சிந்தனைகள்.
Saivism does not speak about Superstitious beliefs, unlike the Aryan culture which imposes illogical beliefs.
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Most of the Aryans converted to Islam so easily
Most of the North Indian are Muslim and Sikh and they are giving lecture that other are not religious
Due to South India
Shiva, Vishnu worship is alive
@@satyamindnectar7052😂what an hippocrates
@@satyamindnectar7052because Aryans Jews zurastrians christian Muslims are one and nearly same DNA
Thank you for trying to attempt in understanding of Tamil people.
Not only Tamils entire south Indians are not sanatanis.
Keep it to Tamil Nadu bro kerala Karnataka Andhra Telangana are against u.
@srabanbanerjee7590 I lived in both Tamil Nadu,Ap, Telangana. And I saw the close similarity in Kerala and Karnataka history and culture also. They are not sanatanis. Sanathana dharmam was imposed on South Indians . We are south Indians and our language is our identity.
@@srabanbanerjee7590 Karnataka here, I will always support Tamil over vegetarian Brahmin nonsense
Even Maharashtra is ancestrally more related to us but with different language
Official languages of Rashtrakuta and Chalukya empires was Kannada. We invaded the north.
Secondly, a lot of "Sanskrit influence" in Dravidian language is the other way around. You can look at Aboriginal Australian languages and a lot of words will sound like Sanskrit. This is because Dravidian is the world's oldest language, and spread from India. Sanskrit is a Dravidianized IndoEuro language.
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Well that makes sense👍
Saiva siddantha philosophy created only in Tamil Nadu
But it is not of Tamizh....Tamizh is a Samana land where Tantra discipline is practiced through the Pallis...
@@nagalingampillairajaraman7294 Yes, it's written in Tamizh for all mankind irrespective of race and creed. English version is available. In Malaysia, I learned Saiva Sidthaantha Philosophy in English first and then in Tamizh under a Professor.
Migrations to the South.
Damn it.
Wé have Shiva temples older than Prophète, Jésus, Krishna and Even Ram. Thèse temples predate Ramayana 😂
And this man says shaivism ça me from Central india 😅@@yahqappu74
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Do you claim Ravanan Worshipped Lord Buddha 😂
@RamalingamKB Ravanan's Master was Athinathan... In Jainism the first Theethagarar...
In my opinion, northern political parties will do anything to take over the second richest state. Be it, imposing their language or their brand of religion. As long as we see ourselves as Tamil first and everything else second, that's all that matters
Odi poda paavadai
Yes. If all are tamizhs, then there is no need for religious conversion... !!
@@kumarsubramanian6281 agreed totally, like in every community, you will have the fringes who pursue their agenda for whatever gain, but if one's own bakthi is strong, then nothing will happen, right?
@@rubankumar2430 nice insult, but do you not see that you have just proven my point? Must be liberating to come here and show your stupidity
@@antonydevadass4856 yes. Hope the fringes numbers stay same and religious leaning takes lowest priority. But if the fringes increase and take one-sided political stand , the opposing political parties are ready to jump in , to take advantage of the fault lines....
Thanks a lot, Mr Mahajan for your wonderful effort to understand us-Tamils.
God bless you and your family
🙏 Nandri Brother
@@amitmahajanhistory We Tamils don't want shitty ev.va.ra.
Long before stupid person like him were born the Tamils had self-respect and self-identity.
Most important thing is Lord Sivan and Vishnu are Tamil Gods and not this santhanm like character that you folks claim.
hinduism is a mix of religion nothing more.
I also tamil hindu i am worshipper of lord muruga , Annamalaiyar , but i am not sanatanis
You are doing good job,, love from tamilnadu,
The presenter said Vishnu is foreign element but it is not true. Mayan is the original name of Vishnu and Mayan or Thirumal or Perumal is part of the Tamil gods.
Incorrect. Maayon is the tamil name for Krishna. Maayon literally means the "The Black man". Perumaal means "the great black". Thirumaal means "Mr. BLACK". All these terms were used to denote Krishna. In fact, krishna itself is a sanskritized Tamil god. They merged all the elite figures in Indian history into vishnu. Matsya avathar is none other than Noah's story. Vamana avathar is a story of a bhramin(vamaha) deceiving a King in Kerala, Mahabali. Buddha was a prince who was merged as a 9th avathar. Kalki was a muslims/christian ideology of second coming of Christ. See all these people are elite figures whom these Brahmins merged into a 1 god and mere avathar. But we know parashurama was kingdom in Tulu region. Maayon(krisna) and Mahabali are kings of Ancient Tamilagam. Buddhism was a prince in the north. Kalki and Noah are middle East figures. Seriously? Buddha said there is no god, but believed only in spirituality. But these people made buddha as a vishnu avatar. Believing this is stupid.
They didn't only do this with Kings, but also certain queens. Kottravai was a Tamil chieftain queen. They made her an avatar of parvati. Meenakshi was a pandian princess, they made her as an avatar as well. Kaanji kaamaatchi, was a queen of kanchipuram region. Look at this pattern. They merged all these people and termed them as avatar of an aaryan god. And now they are saying Kannagi was also an avatar of paarvathi.
Entire Tamil literatures say shiva as a southee. Infact seyon and Shivan was thought to be the one to hoist first sangam. Shiva was thought to first pandian king.
@@whoops0 Nice story😂😂😂😂. Every Tamil people writes their own histories without passing history in school. U people were originally good at maths. Try to do that. Don't intervene at everything.
Yes ❤
@@srabanbanerjee7590 at least go read Silapathigaram, puranaanooru and aganaanooru. Yes we are good at science, math, and history as well. As you mentioned "You guys are good at math" you are right in a way though. It is just that you guys don't realises how good tamils are in math. You guys say Aaryabhatta invented 0. But sangam literature Paripaadal already mentioned "Paazh(0), kaal(1/4), paagu(1/2), ondru(1), irandu((2)... And goes on...
We tamils have been finding more and more proofs. You guys are gonna cry. Get ready with your tissues.
We are not like you guys who only either read Mughals, sultanates or vadas mahabharat or ramayana. We have own literatures and we read them in schools.
@@whoops0All the local deities were absored into mainstream folly dharma and calling it Hindu religion. So absurd.
The beauty of Tamilnadu is you can find a John, Jayaram and Nabil can travel together as friends without any barriers. I have seen many North Indians wonders in our harmony.
We tamils believe in a religion related to spirituality and faith, but not related to politics. But you people from the North relate religion with politics. That is the basic difference between North and South. Don't mix religion with politics. We tamils have understood the political minded Sanatana Manuwadis to gain political mileage by using religion as a tool. Tamils never going to accept it.
Beautiful explanation. Nandri Brother🙏
U will understand when maximum of ur state will be captured by Political religions i.e. the Abrahamic religions which have been made for politics like Christianity and Islam. Hinduism or Sanatan dharma were never political. But it has been made political to tackle these Abarahamic religions there was no second way.
Bro it's all a ruse
Bravo brother i agree. However same concept goes to DMK using language and culture.
I’m a Tamil, As we expect our North Indian brothers to understand us, we should also understand our North Indian Brothers, you will understand them only if you think by standing in their shoes. For nearly a 1000 years most North Indian Hindus were treated second class citizens in their own land. I’m not being racists, but Islam in general anywhere you show has the tendency to completely take over and destroy the local culture. If you don’t understand, check the Population on Hindus in Pakistan and Bangladesh in the 1950s and compare how it declined. You may immediately argue they all changed the religion voluntarily, but we all know it didn’t happen that way even if you read BBC or even Pakistan’s own Dawn newspaper online. You know a people called “Kalash” in North West Frontier were constantly torchured to convert. Such was the humiliation our North Indian brothers also faced, how will you feel if Thanjavur Peruudaiyar temple was razed to ground in front of your eyes and a mosque was built over it? That’s what happened for 1000 years in North India. Their women if abducted will be either converted and married as 4th wife or converted to slave and raped by anyone since their religion says you can behave however to slave Girls. Just because you are secular because we never faced any persecution don’t use the same lens to view others. They went through hell which we could never understand. So stop this nonsense
You may not be too brilliant to understand Tamil Hindus........
We leave slippers outside home when we enter and leave our God's and Goddesses inside house when we leave out......
That's it......
Dumb things
Tamils are not sanatani,, we are different...
People are learning and educating themselves about Tamil nadu in the social media universiry but reality is:
1) In Tamil nadu Majorly, in every family, every village, the first and foremost religious practice is Kula dheivam (we worship our forefathers or warriors), it has nothing do with VEDIC at all. Again, it has nothing to do with VEDIC. It is purely Tamilians belief. No family function without them (be it happy or sad) they're always there.
2) Tamils pay a huge respect to their kings and rulers who cared for their people, then after their demise many of such kings or rulers are given godly stature, then centuries laters they really even considered to be GOD. All the temples in Tamil nadu standing tall even today, and actively for this reason.
3) Tamils worship the nature, the sun (for ex. Pongal), all the happenings of the nature.
4) Tamils and kings/ rulers give high regards and respect to the Animals who helped them in every aspects of life. For example, Elephant whoch helps in the construction, farm, in the war zone. It is the firat God for tamils (coming from the oldest religion of Indian subcontinent "samanam").
Then Cow which is another domestic animal is part of Tamils life (for example, during Pongal, a farm festival every village will do prayers for Cow, and they also do some sports with it "Jallikattu".). Even today if such a Jallikattu cow dies it is given higer respect and sometime a temple is built. Like a NANDI in front of Saiva temple (Sivan). Even today, in the mountains, Tamils worship nature gods and Varaham (Pig), and Monkey.
Near the sea shore, the Tamils worship sea, river and living beings in it. Tamils worship snakes too
5) Tamils, dont care if the warrior is men or women, they are given highest respect and they are Gods.
6) Samanam (oldest religion) => Saiavm (tons of Tamil literatures); some aspects of Samanam copied to Vainavam(tons of literatures); later many many philosophers and many many ideas but wverything stands simply on the main Tamils belief.
7) Tamils, kings and rulers has a rich art form, every temple is standing proof for it, You don't need a book or palm leaves to prove. Some highly achieved arts becomes saints or given godly status.
All ancient Tamil beliefs has nothing to do with Vedic (Rig veda or the other three) or sanksrit but unfortunately during many centuries due to invasion, the "yagna (pray to the fire) is inserted. The base, structure, culture is always Tamil and it's just the (yagnam) is just a add on. Tamils accepted some people to settle here and make a living but at the same time revolt if something is not.
Every Tamil structure, culture and belief in Tamil nadu is Tamils own, (some ancient practices are still lving in the mountain's), people came here during invasion easily stole it and made it themsleves just by adding one thing extra (yagnam), vedic believes by praying to Fire God everything will be solved but Tamilians believes and worship the Sun, the nature and animals around him.
Today Tamil community is realising the reality and trying to get their shares back, nothing wrong in it.
Hinduism is more legal term than religious belief, in Tamil nadu the belief is beyond a single word Hinduism
Nice video. One correcttion Thirukkural doesn't have a single word called tamil and it is mentioned in thirukural that itself belongs to the entire humanity
U half baked fool... U'll peddle this yarn if u r a Gulte. 😂
Bro i would like to correct something. Aadhi-dravidars, paraiyars, and saambavars are the same people. Pariyars were treated so lowly. For example: indian street dogs are called Paraiah dogs. An indian white dog was called Brahmini Dog. Similarly, there is a kite bird too. Paraiah kite(kite that has brown head) and brahmini kite (that has white head. Similarly they pariah and brahmini cows too. So paraiyars were pushed back after Vijayanagar empire(vishu patriot empire) conquered Tamilagam. Even Cholas are paraiyar. A temple has cholas surname as paraiyars. These paraiyars after independence, as an act of self respect movement, many of them changed their caste name. In northern part of Tamilnadu, they changed their surname as Aadhi dravidar. And in south tamil nadu they changed their surname as saambavar(it is not shaanar).
இவ்வாறு பழந்தமிழரின் தெய்வங்கள் கீழ்மைப் படுத்தப் பட்டதில் வைதீகத்தின் வளர்ப்புப் பிள்ளையான சிவனியத்திற்குப் பெரும் பங்குண்டு. பாலை நிலத் தெய்வமான கொற்றவை சிவனுக்குப் பெண்டாகவும், குறிஞ்சி நிலத் தெய்வமான முருகன் சிவனுக்குப் பிறந்தவன் என்றும், முல்லை நிலத் தெய்வமான திருமாலைச் சிவனுக்கு அளியன் என்றும், மருத நிலத் தெய்வமான இந்திரன் சிவனின் தயவால் இந்திர உலகத்தை ஆள்பவன் என்றும், நெய்தல் நிலத் தெய்வமான வருணன் சிவனது ஏவலாளாக மழை பொழியும் வேலையைச் செய்பவன் என்றும் இவ்வாறாகச் சிவனியம் தமிழ்த் தெய்வங்களைக் கொச்சைப் படுத்தியே வந்ததுடன், பழந்தமிழரின் ஆசீவகச் சமயத்தின் சமணப் பிரிவினர் கொல்லா நோன்பினர், அவர்களையெல்லாம் அனல்வாதம் என்ற பெயரால் சுண்ணாம்புக் காளவாயிலிட்டு எரித்தும், புனல்வாதம் என்ற பெயரில் கல்லைக் கட்டிக் கடலில் எறிந்தும், ஆட்சியாளர்களின் துணையோடு கழுமரமேற்றிக் கொன்றும் தமிழர் தம் விழுமிய மெய்யியலை அழித்ததில் சிவனியமே முதலிடம் பெற்றது. ஆனால் குதிரை கீழே தள்ளியதுடன் குழியும் பறித்தது போன்று தமிழர்களின் தனிப்பெரும் சமயம் சிவனியமே என்றதோர் மாயையையும் ஏற்படுத்தியது. அண்மைக் காலத்திய தமிழ்ச் சான்றோர் சிலரும் கூடத் தமிழும் சைவமும் இரண்டு கண்கள் என்றனர். அந்த அளவுக்குத் தமிழர்களை மடையர்களாக்கியது சிவனியமே.
Exactly... 100%
Correct explanation. Now they lied people that Sivan is tamil god and inducted stories of story god's with family god's .
You better read original tamil scriptures. Don't follow what non tamil origin writers or crypto writers.
@j.viswanathanviswanathan7911 is this the original aka Samanam or Aaseevagam?
Appo eppadi bro murugar mattum ennum deiva valipadu irukuthu.
En endral anakum intha sandhekam Iruku , 2000 years before tamil leteratures la sivan mention pannala athanala enaku intha doubt romba naala Iruku ,
I think , mayon , seyon , thirumal & indhiran anal kotravai mention pannala athula
Saying this for those who misunderstood Tamil & Tamilnadu
Tamilnadu is the most hospitable state in India,
I'm not exaggerating just mix "vanakkam, nanri or anna" with whatever language you speak and talk with anyone in Tamilnadu,
They understand that, you're not a tamilian but making efforts to speak tamil language. And guess what, That's enough for the them to get overwhelm😀, get emotional and Treat you as gold.
Truly over religion, caste it's the Tamil emotion is what drives them and kept unite over tge the period.♥️
Best wishes from Tamilnadu 👍
Best factual video I have seen for sometime on this topic. You spoke my mind and my learnings so far.
For tamils our self-respect is bigger than any religions , If any religion try to oppresse us we will throw away the religion.
There is a difference between Tamil Dharma and Sanatan dharma ~ In Tamil dharma there's no upper Lower people's 👥 Even one Ant 🐜 life is equal to One Human Life
Tamil people had priest community and not caste. The priest community consisted of anyone who is qualified. There was no caste in Tamil but Brahmin who came from North maintain their caste and they were minority. The caste system was widespread in Tamil after decline of Tamil kingdoms. Due to political pressure and survival, the priest community merged with Bharamin.. Tamil has its own literature and religious practices such as Aahama and religious literatures so they are not dependent on Vedas. This is the reason why Tamil are not Sanathanis, Sanathana is primarily coming from Vedic based Hindu religion. Tamil Hindu religion is non Vedic.
But Buddhism was also followed in Tamil Nadu. Buddhism is non Vedic. But Buddhism is Sanatan as Buddha said. U don't know the definition of Sanatana religion. Sanatana religion is not dependent on Vedas. It is that religion which is eternal and can incorporate any ideology which has eternal truth. Sanatana religion also includes atheism which was nonvedic like the Charvaka philosophy.
Your bhagvargita is not tamilans holy book. . tamilans have lots of holy books . So
We have srirangam world's biggest Narayan temple most underrated in terms of tourist attractions..believe me it's most powerful n marvellous it's dedicated to lord Venus n Narayan.
Happy that someone have made efforts to understand Tamil Nadu. Great job sir, it seems you have made lot of research. Love from Tamil people ❤
எங்கள் முருகன் இருக்கும் போது நாங்கள் ஏன் மற்றவர்களை வேண்ட வேண்டும் வள்ளுவன் வகுத்த வழி இருக்கும் போது சானதான எதுக்கு
Sanathana Dharma means Braminism. Hindu dharma is different from Braminism. So Dravidians are not Sanatanis. Very simple.
First of all without knowing the lingo root word don't comment like a kindergarten teacher! 16:12
Hindu term is better than using Sanatan term
@@sivaratnamasabaratnam8946 He is exactly correct about the fact. Go and study for yourself
Thamils are not Dravidians. Dravidians are Bastards of South Indian Brahmins. 😂🤣😂
The language Tamil is our language,religion ,culture and identity! It’s the be all and end all. Santhanam has no place in Tamil Nadu!
Origin of Bhakti movement is in the South India in between 7th and 8th century and Saint Ramanuja played a prominent role in it's spread over other parts of India.
Tamils are not Hindus but Aseevakam which is a way of life based on rational thinking that existed in ancient India. Tamil siddha Krittinan( Mahabharata Krishnan) 5100 years ago gave Thirukural
Hindu is persian name for Bharat
Indian is Greek term for Bharat
Good effort laudable for your research.
Vainavum (Vishnu) and Saivam (Shiva) was always there. Remember avtars of Vishnu is less worshiped in TN.But when you travel towards 1st BC you will find less proof of both Shiva and Vishnu.You jumped from 6-8th century to 10-11th century. Inbetween these Bakhti movement reached North India which was started by Adi Shankaracharya.
Thiruvalluvar and tholkapiyar are beyond religion.
Before the Nayanmars there was both Shiva and Vishnu but also a third religion Ajvinka (Samanam in Tamil) .
When you research about this period you will get more insight.
Sure brother. Keep inspiring me to learn more with your comments
Nandri Brother🙏
@@amitmahajanhistory very insightful information, thanks. Historian Manu S Pillai’s book on Gods Guns and Missionaries give many such insights too.
@@amitmahajanhistoryIncorrect. Maayon is the tamil name for Krishna. Maayon literally means the "The Black man". Perumaal means "the great black". Thirumaal means "Mr. BLACK". All these terms were used to denote Krishna. In fact, krishna itself is a sanskritized Tamil god. They merged all the elite figures in Indian history into vishnu. Matsya avathar is none other than Noah's story. Vamana avathar is a story of a bhramin(vamaha) deceiving a King in Kerala, Mahabali. Buddha was a prince who was merged as a 9th avathar. Kalki was a muslims/christian ideology of second coming of Christ. See all these people are elite figures whom these Brahmins merged into a 1 god and mere avathar. But we know parashurama was kingdom in Tulu region. Maayon(krisna) and Mahabali are kings of Ancient Tamilagam. Buddhism was a prince in the north. Kalki and Noah are middle East figures. Seriously? Buddha said there is no god, but believed only in spirituality. But these people made buddha as a vishnu avatar. Believing this is stupid.
They didn't only do this with Kings, but also certain queens. Kottravai was a Tamil chieftain queen. They made her an avatar of parvati. Meenakshi was a pandian princess, they made her as an avatar as well. Kaanji kaamaatchi, was a queen of kanchipuram region. Look at this pattern. They merged all these people and termed them as avatar of an aaryan god. And now they are saying Kannagi was also an avatar of paarvathi.
Entire Tamil literatures say shiva as a southee.
The song goes like this, "Thennaattudaiya shivaney potri. Ennaattavarkkum iraiva potri" - Praise be to Shiva who belongs to the south. Praise be to the lord of all nations. Remember the word Iraiva in tamil is used both of kings and gods. Iraiva means "the one who give you shoulder to support on".
Another song goes like, "thillaiyil koothaney thenpaandi naadaney" - meaning "the dancer in thillai, the south pandianite".
Infact seyon(murugan) and Shivan were thought to be the one to hoist first sangam. Shiva was thought to be one of the earliest pandian king.
Read - Brahmin and Non-Brahmin: Genealogies of the Tamil Political Present
by M.S.S.Pandian
Sure brother.
I would say that not only in Tamil Nadu, all Indian people should know about their history. We are the Indian origin, Aryan are culprit, they divide us in the name of caste. Say nobody up or down to us. all are equal..
Good that someone outside Tamil Nadu trying to understand the thought process of Tamils...though most of the content were good, as a Tamil i just want to clarify one thing about your understanding, Tamils are not against Vishnu or Vaishnavas ...We accept both Shiva and Vishnu as our God.. we don't accept Brahma as our God. Since Sanatana is based on Brahma ..Brahma is the core of Varna and Veda.. Both don't have any root connect with Tamils...Brahma Veda snd Varna came into Tamil Nadu with Sanatana ...We have lot of temples for Shiva and Vishnu in Tamil Nude more than any States in India ...We worship Both Shiva and Vishnu .we give even more importance to our ancestral Gods.. but we don't entertain or worship Brahma .( very few worship Brahma if you look them they are mostly settlers not Tamils .)....this is misunderstood by other state people as Tamils are against Hindu Gods. and Hindu Religion ..
Gained some clarity .
Nandri Sir🙏🏻
No Hindu worship Brahma deva
Tamils are not hindus, They saivam, vaishanam, aseevagam. But still we are all brothers in arms. Lets embrace our differences, Unity in diversity!
@@SandeepSabarish Hindu is not Religion
India never had religion
We have Dharmic culture across Indian subcontinent
Where there are various Rishis like Agastya Muni, siddha,yogis and later Bhakti saint along with regional own Kuldevtas
Popular worship Shiva Parivar, Vishnu Parivar etc
It is Dharmic culture not Religion
Not only Tamils , entire south indians.. we believe our ancestors worship and folkfore gods.
Please read about Madurai sultanate of 13th century and how tamil nadu survived because of hindu kings intervention and how Brahmin warriors saved tamil nadu
Bro please understand that lord siva and sivlingam worship are two different things in ancient Tamil. Read more on ASSEVAGAM way of life of ancient tamilans . 😊
Thanks that you are understanding us. I would say that whole Indian continent was with Tamils (Nagas), and Tamil language spoken by whole India (Said by Ambedkar). Aryans (Only male) came to India, mixed with Native Indian women (Evidence by recent genomic research, mitochondrial chromosomes are identical to whole Indian women, Y chromosome predominates in aryan and no copy in Tamils.), Aryan language are mixed with northern languages created lot of languages in north at different region. Mixed with Tamil language created Telugu, Kannada, Malayalam. If you seperate the sanskrit words , then those language will be pure Tamil.
Tamil culture shows us that „Religion has no space in Politics“ Religion should be kept personal. Everyone can practice their own religion. But Politics should be same for everyone. Every on should be treated equally. This is the very important reason why BJP will never place it’s firm foot in Tamilnadu. Once you mix Religion and Politics. Millions of people from minority communities could feel suppressed in their own land. I don’t know why people see this in north of India. Why are we not moving towards a secular India. There should be no religious connection to a political party. But this has already happened and now the question is is are we really a democratic country???? BJP could have done many good things, but it puts Hindus forward in everything. Which is a very dangerous way to lead a country. I myself am a born Hindu from TN but will never tolerate a Political party with a religion background. I hope people in north move from this mindset and work towards a secular India. Hail Tamil und Jai Hind✊🏾
Very well said.🤝
Nandri Brother
Its funny that its coming from an tamilian.. Where an politician Name uddhaynidhi called a particular religion as "diseases" And nothing happen to him... We all know what kind of shitt happen in TN politics.. Whether its bigotry toward north indians Or hindi speaking people.. And i forget one more Aryan dravidian theory...and the same DMK whose member put slipper garland on a Hindu God so you should be last one to talk about not mixing religion,..While making brahmins the punching bag... And ignoring the whole caste hierarchy then talk about social justice...
That's wrong. In ancient Tamil culture, there is no minority appeasement or popular politics. In the ancient Tamil cultures, we Tamils saw only the justice and truth. But now, due to vote bank politics, there is lot of minority appeasement, we can prove that, bet. There should not be separate treatment for minorities and majorities, both majorities and minorities are equal as like in our golden ancient Tamil culture, and no vote bank politics compromising aram (Tamil word) or justice for the sake of one section of group of people appeasement or minority appeasement, it was never in our ancient Tamil culture. I like how you want to hide and portray yourself for your own needs and wishes. Don't worry, we are also watching your propaganda.
Great Research ....history should be exploded truly ..tks you for understanding tamil - mother of all language
What you said abt the Tamil saivam tradition is almost true.. but you totally missed and misunderstood the Tamil vainavam tradition. I recommend you to read about 'naalaayira divya prabandam', the '12 alwar saints' and the 'sree vaishnavam' tradition.
Sure brother🙏
Nandri brother
Thanks for bringing good and unbiased information about Tamils way of life.
Please read about what Is Hinduism, that is mentioned in the Indian constitution.
You have done a good job for a layman understanding although there could be some errors, the overall tone was as unbiased in presentation. The issue is far more complex and no one can throw clarity. The root of this discourse is perhaps on two issues. One the role of Beahmins in TN society and two the language issue of Tamil, Sanskrit and Hindi.
Nandri Brother
We are hindhus bcoz we are native religion of indus valley not sanatani who migrated and stole himdhu religion as theirs
Yes
Hindu and India both come from the word Sindhu (Indus valley)
When 500 Note got demonetised, many poor elderly common people died standing in front of banks, where was your sanathana dharma? Who was responsible and who got punished???
If you want to know True Tamil Identity, connect with Guru Sivayogi. This is all hypothesis.
Thanks for your efforts to understand my Tamil culture, my Indian brother. Kindly note that superiority of Brahmins and untouchability of lower caste people was real and had slowly crept into the Tamil society from the North and was prevelant untill the recent past. It is this social attitude that we Tamils are against. Otherwise, most of us are pious Hindus. Even the renowned sage Agastya is a Tamilan.
Periyar our Super Hero
The Sanatani framework, which I use instead of Hinduism, was an ideological tool created by the Aryans to gain control over the Indian subcontinent not through direct force, but by systematically dismantling pre-existing identities and belief systems. This framework assimilated Tamil deities, altering their stories in ways that often demeaned them, in stark contrast to the glorified narratives of Aryan gods like Rama.
This strategy became especially effective with the rise of Buddhism, which promoted equality, directly challenging Aryan hegemony. To counter this, the Sanatani framework weakened Buddhism by introducing the Mahayana sect, which deified Buddha contrary to his original teachings. Additionally, Buddha was absorbed into the Hindu pantheon as the ninth avatar of Vishnu, thereby diminishing Buddhism’s independent influence.
Around 2,000 years ago, Tamil was widely spoken across all of South India, but today, it is primarily confined to Tamil Nadu. Languages like Kannada and Telugu were not distinct languages at the time; they were originally Tamil dialects. However, through the gradual incorporation of Sanskrit, these dialects evolved into separate languages, contributing to the decline of Tamil’s linguistic dominance.
Both Sanskrit and the Sanatani framework were deliberately designed as instruments of cultural and political control, successfully eroding Tamil identity and diminishing its historical significance a process that continues to this day.
Even in modern India, the Indian Constitution (Article 25(2)(b)) classifies Virashaivas, Lingayats, Buddhists, Jains, and Sikhs as Hindus, unless they are Muslims, Christians, Parsis, or Jews. This clearly demonstrates that the Sanatani framework was designed as a mechanism to maintain control over the Indian subcontinent.
Furthermore, not only Shiva and Murugan, but even Vishnu was originally a Tamil deity. A clear pattern emerges: Tamil gods are portrayed in a derogatory manner, while Aryan gods are glorified within the Sanatani framework. This distinction can be observed by simply examining the narratives surrounding these deities if a deity’s story is demeaning or scandalous, it is likely a Tamil god if it is glorified and majestic, it is likely an Aryan god.
For instance, Indra, in the Rig Veda, is depicted as a womanizer who engages in affairs with others' wives. Ayyappan’s origin story involves the union of Shiva and Vishnu, with Vishnu appearing as Mohini, his female form-this narrative is derogatory to all three deities. Similarly, Ravana is depicted as a womanizer and a villain, while Krishna is portrayed as a thief and a womanizer, with exaggerated claims of having thousands of wives, when in reality, the term referred to his cattle, not women.
Most of the Sanskrit literatures including Vedas, Mahabaratha were Tamils work but it was destroyed and rewritten to support the Sanatani framework.
The Sanatanis dominated the Indian sub continent for atleast 2500 years and will dominate for another 1000 or more years unless the real truths are Unearthed.
Buddhist also try to absorb Vishnu, Shiva
Buddhist say that Vishnu and Shiva are bodygard of Buddhist 😂😂😂😂
There are two types of Hinduism
One is Adi Shankaracharya Casteist Orthodox Hinduism
Second is Shiva-Shakti Parivar + Vishnu and his avatar worship
Second one is followed by majority Hindus but the shankaracharyas want to control all Hindu tradition
Hindu simply means people of Indian subcontinent
We never had religion
It is Dharmic culture
Because we have literature many thousands of years ago and none of them mentions this so called Santana Kurma.
North should understand tamil people that we built different.
Whats with the pronunciation of words leaving the last vowel ? ie Saying Tamil-Nadu as Tamil-Nad ? or similar words ending with a vowel ? I See this in some Hindi speakers ?
Indeed Brother this is a mistake on my part. Will rectify in future videos.
Nandri Brother🙏
@ thanks you , nandrigal pala(many thanks).
But I respectfully trying to understand if your language’s phonetics influence on how you pronounce other words this way ?
Happy to know.
Yes you could say so. In hindi most people pronounce tamil nadu as tamil nad at times which is confusing for me too. This confusion carries on to videos too. Apologies
Nandrigal Pala brother🙏
Whole south indians are not HINDUS.....we are diffirent RACE itself....OUR DNA itself is diffirent
Sankirit based Aryanisam is imposed on tamils by north indians. That is the whole problem.
The most amusing thing is that Tamil originated from the Elamite language and the Neolithic Iranian farmers' invasion of India. These Neolithic Iranian farmers had brown and light-brown skin complexions. They invaded the dark-skinned Onge-type people living in southern India and replaced their native languages, just as Brahmins did later. These different ethnicities eventually formed different castes. Tamil Nadu is the most casteist state in southern India. Nowadays, Tamils have 20-30% Neolithic Iranian ancestry and 50% Onge tribe ancestry, while Malayalis and other South Indians have 40-60% Neolithic Iranian ancestry.
So, Tamil speakers are technically speaking a language introduced by those who once colonized them, similar to how they criticize Sanskrit. Casteism existed even before the arrival of Brahmins. The Indus Valley Civilization itself had two types of cities nearby, reflecting a class system. Even 5,000 years ago, Neolithic Iranians had advanced housing similar to the Indus Valley, while Onge people were treated as slaves. Tribes were only allowed to live in forests. Casteism existed during that time, and the elite language, Proto-Dravidian, spread deeper into the south, forcing the native languages like Bo, Nihali, or Vedda tribal languages to change
Tamil are dalits compared with the beautiful fair tine Aryans of north India
@@rgegrsegerghyuj4994 yes absolutely Tamils are the Dalits who do agriculture by themselves and live on their own instead of begging to Kingdoms and temples.Uzhudhundu vazhvare vazhvarmar Rellam thozhudhundu pin selbavar.(Kural:1033).
@@rgegrsegerghyuj4994 OK so Periyar was a fair skinned person so he was an Aryan.😂
@@Kalki0025
Prot Dravidian ah 😅😅😅
Tamil under only came other 3 language
Tamil has its own identity
Not a Dravidian shelter .
Tamil always own
Where Dravidian has mentioned in script
Dravidian name given by british .
Don't tell like DMK politics
They are not Tamilan .
Religion: Aryan's God is Agni, Indras. In Rig Veda, no siva, vishnu, murugan or Sakthi. So it is lucid that aryans took Indian God and controlled for their benefits.
Periyarism, communism , rationalism , marxism , peace secularism , is deep rooted in tamil youngsfers inculding me (im 20)
பெரியார் என்பது ஒரு பொய் பிம்பம் தான்.
Thank you for your efforts sir 🎉
Please try to understand why our minister said so, the sanadhna darma's main claim is 4 varnas but our tamil literature preches equality and all are born equal and all are eligible for every good things this world can offer. Though there is some good things we appreciat in sanathna darma it preches inequality among fellow citizens which is the main cause of suffering and poverty. In fact tamil nadu is the only state in india to have a greter equal distribution of wealth and education among all sector of the society. We have achieved this only because of periyar and even all of our tamil ancient texts preaches all are equal and deserve everything.
Bro, why are scaring about the sanatani ? Unity will keep us in safe from sanatani and other negativeness . பயப்படாமல் இருங்கள் அண்ண😊
🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽 Sir please verify the pronunciations before going bla bla... That's the first step to making a vernacular content video.. it's very offending.. your initiative will then only be appreciated..
Noted. 🙏
Apologies brother. Will try to learn more and properly.
Nandri Brother
Dear Sir. Need your support in pronounciation. Goggle translator not being helpful. Kindly answer back
Please get your facts correct.
You mentioned that Shiva Sidhant tradition started in the central India around 8th century.
But two of the important people who revived the Shiva Sidhant tradition in Tamilnadu are from the 7th century.
At timestamp 4:15, the 4 people you shown are the "Saiva Samaya Kuravargal".
I was mentioning about the first 2 in the picture.
Till today in most of the Shaivaite families the songs of these 4 people are sung during daily prayers.
Please explain with facts how did you come to the conclusion that "Shiva Sidhant tradition started in the central India around 8th century".
Vanakkam Brother. Apologies for hurting your religious sentiments and not getting the chronology right.🙏
I request you to look iinto this video from the prism of intent and pride of great Tamizh people
Nandri Brother🙏
👉👉👉Nothing cooked .. You have to start from, how the religions coexisted in Tamilnadu like Sivam , vainavam and more importantly Aseevagam ... Also know about the kula deivam in tamilnadu amoung the tamil community.. You will find the complex structure solved and roots by its own... Never judge by recent politics in past 100 years please. Thats will make all your research all in vein 👈👈👈
What sanatani meaning
Eternal
Boss Caldwell was the one who studied Tamil in depth mastered the language and Sanskrit… and all South Indian languages…. Tamil is older than Sanskrit and it has its own poetry grammar and prose and style … Harappa civilisations were Dravidian most Tamilian and most of Indians were Samanar ( Jain influences of non-violence and renunciation of desire) the God principle was not prevalent they only saw light as the supreme power of God…
Bhramin culture came in and invaded and screwed it up basically
15:00 Ravan was a brahmin, now you are making him so called non Aryan ? Ram was kshatriya, a warrior. So much willful wrong "observation"
In the scriptures the Dharma is called Sanatana Dharma which literally means Eternal Dharma.
Hinduism is a word which was invented by the British to refer to Sanatan Dharma because of they were christian and so would not use" Eternal Religion" name because it would undermine their Christianity.
Tamilians should tell what is the meaning of Ravana? 18:33
We r not Sanathanis bcas of The Great Wall Periyar🖤🖤🖤
Sananthan dhama thought about decided people, for ex bharaman birth by head low cast people birth by foot from bharma?
We are accept periyar ideology and following our thamizh culture sivam, murugan is our god
Shiva is worshipped in North Indian too
Periyar hate sivam and murugan
Good analysis. Go ahead
Even Atheist can be a hindu since there is no such religion called Hinduism. Hinduism is just a code Bill for followers of Indian origin religions.
Truly. Nandri Brother
The Arabs in pre-Islamic times worshipped 360 gods. The pagan Arabs worshipped the sun, moon, and the stars. The Arabs built temples to the Moon-god. Different Arab tribes gave the Moon-god different names/titles, and some of the names or titles are Sin, Hubul, Ilumquh, and Al-ilah.
The title 'al-ilah' (the god) was used for the Moon-god, and the word 'Allah' is derived from al-ilah. Was the pagan Allah a high god in a pantheon of deities? He was worshipped at the Kaaba. Allah was only one of many Meccan gods. They placed a statue of Hubul on top of the Kaaba. At that time, Hubul was considered the Moon-god. The Kaaba, thus, was the 'house of the Moon-god.' The name 'Allah' eventually replaced that of Hubul as the name of the Moon-god. They began calling the Kaaba the house of Allah.
The pagans developed religious rites in connection with the worship of their gods. The pagans practiced the pilgrimage, the Fast of Ramadan, running around the Kaaba seven times, kissing the black stone, shaving the head, animal sacrifices, running up and down two hills, throwing stones at the devil, snorting water in and out of the nose, praying several times a day toward Mecca, giving alms, Friday prayers, etc. Muhammad commanded his followers to participate in these pagan ceremonies while the pagans were still in control of Mecca (Yusuf Ali, fn. 214, pg. 78). Islam went on to adopt these pagan religious rites (Yusuf Ali: fn. 223, pg. 80).
Al-Lat, al-Uzza, and Manat were called 'the daughters of Allah.' The Qur'an, at one point, tells Muslims to worship al-Lat, al-Uzza, and Manat in Surah 53:19-20. Those verses were later 'abrogated' out of the present Qur'an. They were called 'The Satanic Verses.'
The crescent moon is an ancient pagan symbol of the Moon-god throughout the ancient world. It was the religious symbol of the Moon-god in Arabia, and stars were also used as pagan symbols of the daughters of Allah. Did the Jews or the Christians of Arabia use the crescent moon with several stars next to it as a symbol? Islam adopted the pagan crescent moon and stars as its religious symbol.
As Islam developed over the centuries, did it adopt pagan names, pagan ceremonies, pagan temples, and pagan symbols
Siva sathanandh not from north or central, its origin is tamilnadu itself only siva were a tamil king once...😊
U understood it about tamils finally thats enough forus...😊
Hindu is a Persian word language, after Aryans migrated to indian lands, these aryans used these word Hindu... so that ancient Tamils didnot follow aryas's Hindu.... and slso the aryan religion which captured "Shaivam, Shaktam, Vaishnavam, Ganapatyam, Kaumaram, Sauram
No wrong theory
Saivaism has different sects. There was different traditions to Saivism. Saiva Siddhanatha is one sect.
Pashupata Shaivism, Kashmiri Shaivism, Saiva Siddhanta, Lingayatism, Gorakhnath Shaivism, Kapalika, and the Tantra traditions are the various saiva sects. Saiva siddhanta got rooted in Tamil nadu. There is so much dating and archeological disputes regarding various sects. There was brahminical and non brahminical sects in Saivam too in the past. Nayanamars were mainly Jains or Samanars in tamil and followers of Assevagam, which is a much older religion to Jainism, they are were all converted to Saivaism. All these stories of nayanamar end in the death of these saints. The stories tell that they got entwined with Shiva and never returned back. This is just an eponymous way of saying they are killed or they were made to die. These nayanamar were part of different communities too, by bringing such people all into saivaism, an appropriation of Saivam happened during the this period.
Ram and ravanana are tamil because sanskrit was orginate around 3500 years old from central asia but tamil was like 10,000 year old so when ramayana happened tamil is tha only language spread all over in india
Another evidence from indus valley civilization was they are tamil people after the eradication of indus valley
Aryan invasion happen and vedic civilization flourish in
India. If you believe it or not
Tamil people are far different from vedic or aryan religion
Aryan migration happened
Hinduism is mix culture but it is developed in Tamil Nadu
Shaivism and Vaishnavism both developed in Tamil Nadu
North Indian are mostly Muslim and Sikh today
AthiNathan( In Jainism the First Theethagarar) known in the Tirukkural as AthiPagavan was converted into Siva later in history , Tamizhs were Tantra Samana (the mother of Jainism and Buddhism) people of high civilization...
Super speech bro
Nandri Brother
I'm from Tamil Nadu. Central government should eliminate DMK government and save Tamil Nadu.
According to the history of Sanatana dharma, Lord Shiva created 2 languages. Tamil and Sanskrit. Lord shiva appointed his son Murugan as a God of thamizh language. Tamil kings built temples not mosque or church. Tamil kings are not mohammed chola or josheph pandiya. Literally there is no difference between real tamils and hindus. But many ☪️ancers and DMK in Tamil Nadu trying to change the history. Now ☪️ancers claiming thirupurankundram kovil as theirs. Thamizh is the last hope of sanatana dharmam.
Right but using the term Hindu is better than Sanatan
It has been proven beyond any question that the Mohenjo-Daro / Harappa (Sindhu Saraswathi Civilization) people are Sanskrit speaking and the genes are the same between North and South Indians. This is so because it is the same people who migrated down south, as clearly depicted in Puranas. The places and flora and fauna mentioned in the Puranas are proven to be real places and things, because even today, after thousands of years, they are called by the same names and they are still in the same place. So, some knuckle headed Tamil guy claiming Brahmins are from some where else is total and complete BS. Wake up people. These divisions are for creating resentment among people and get some political mileage.
Lol. Raakhigarhi doesn't have aaryan genes in them. Their genes are much closer to the paraiyars, paniyar, irulas. All these people are form TN.
Tamil is the only surviving classical language in all over the world has 20000 years old, unlike Sanskrit, Ancient Greek, Latin, Hebrew, Egyptian and lot more. According to the 2011 census, only 0.002% of the Indian population speaks Sanskrit. Yet, you claim that Sanskrit is the root of our language and Sanathana dharma-does that make sense?"
Tamil and south indian language is the mother of all other languages in the world.
But don't argue that everything you discovered first then migrated to South. Including culture and Gods.
We are purely into Aseevaham religion not Hindu.
We're not boasting or claiming superiority, As a Tamil people, we get irritated when you teach history to us.
In a recent corbondating result (5300 years) iron age started from south India (Tamil Nadu).
Even Hebrew has strong connections to Tamil, with shared root words and linguistic similarities, FYI, Hebrew is the original language of the Bible. Not only Hebew, Korea, Japanese, Cameroonian etc..
That's ok, "How can you, as Indo-Aryan invaders, claim to know the true history of India? As an invaders.
Approach history with a broad and open mind, but don't blindly cling to what you know with a narrow perspective.
Thanks for understanding about Tamil people.
We tamils are religious but we never a sanatanis and we are against Aryan idealogies as always
Tamizh is a language not a race .
Ita also a race.
Tamils are a Race indeed
Dr. B.R. Ambedkar argued that the 'Asuras,' 'Dasas,' and 'Nagas' were all Tamils who spread across India in earlier times. Tamil kings ruled parts of northern India, as seen in Tamil literature. Over time, invaders took control of our deities, renamed them, and introduced caste systems along with many fictional stories, presenting them as truth.
As Tamils, we are aware of our roots, and we believe in the principle "யாதும் ஊரே யாவரும் கேளிர், தீதும் நன்றும் பிறர்தர வாரா," which means "Every village is my village, and every person is my relative. Good and bad don't come from others; they come from within us."
However, time and again, we are misled by both the Indian government and neighboring states when it comes to our rights
ellis whyte is the one who introduced the term Dravidian and gave definition for it. Later the missionary guy caldwell stole the credit in history and gave a modified definition for Dravidian
Indeed Sir. Ellys was first to say that southern languages are different from north
Not Dravidian
Tamil always tamil
Who told tamil another Dravidian
Dravidian name given by british people
Because 4 languages are connected so they are called Dravidian ( chera chola pandiya, pallavas, chalukya).
Tamil has its own identity
Because of all this DMK politics everyone is saying Tamil is Dravidian languages
What a bad situation .
The other 3 state they are telling Dravidian language no .But this DMK make a magical myth tamil people are Dravidian .Not Dravidian tamil . Tamil is always tamil .
The most amusing thing is that Tamil originated from the Elamite language and the Neolithic Iranian farmers' invasion of India. These Neolithic Iranian farmers had brown and light-brown skin complexions. They invaded the dark-skinned Onge-type people living in southern India and replaced their native languages, just as Brahmins did later. These different ethnicities eventually formed different castes. Tamil Nadu is the most casteist state in southern India. Nowadays, Tamils have 20-30% Neolithic Iranian ancestry and 50% Onge tribe ancestry, while Malayalis and other South Indians have 40-60% Neolithic Iranian ancestry.
So, Tamil speakers are technically speaking a language introduced by those who once colonized them, similar to how they criticize Sanskrit. Casteism existed even before the arrival of Brahmins. The Indus Valley Civilization itself had two types of cities nearby, reflecting a class system. Even 5,000 years ago, Neolithic Iranians had advanced housing similar to the Indus Valley, while Onge people were treated as slaves. Tribes were only allowed to live in forests. Casteism existed during that time, and the elite language, Proto-Dravidian, spread deeper into the south, forcing the native languages like Bo, Nihali, or Vedda tribal languages to change
That’s just a theory, there’s no concrete evidence that it here Iranians were the og speakers of Dravidian languages. Also there’s concrete evidence that this wasn’t an invasion and was indeed peaceful, and they mixed with the indigenous people of India to create the Indus Valley civilization and they intentionally never expanded their civilization further then gujarat and lived peacefully with the aasi. However the aryan migration was indeed an invasion as evidenced by the implementation of the caste system.
@plazmagaming2182 The Aryan invasion is also a theory. Similarly, the Dravidian invasion has significant evidence, such as Iranian Neolithic ancestry being predominantly traced through the male lineage rather than the female lineage. This is accompanied by events like population collapse, the displacement of native languages, and the imposition of Dravidian languages. Adivasi populations began to decline around 6,000 years ago. The mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) of southern and western Indians largely originates from the Onge tribe, while the Y-DNA traces back to Proto-Dravidian lineage. This suggests that men were primarily involved in these invasions
Yes we are not dravidar and we are not hindus
We are Tamil people we have our own time and date and we don't have caste system even we have our own medicine not ayurvedic it's siddha maruthuvam etc.
Hindu doesn't mean religion
It so happened I watched two videos today that threw light on the Tamil Hinduism. One was your video. The other was an interview given by one Mr Pazha Karuppaiah.
It would appear Brahmins among Tamils to have been the villians, and a movement by non Brahmin elite was started to end the domination of Brahmins in TN about a hundred years ago. In the rest of India the Brahmins of that region do not attract as much vehement opposition as the ones in TN recieve.
I also suspect the divide and conquer strategy of the British used Brahmins as their administrative clerks, and this may have hardened the divide. Though non Brahmins also had education, I suspect the British created the selection bias to cultivte some dissonance among the local communities. As people closer to those in authority, these villains apparently became more hated villains.
The movement against Brahmins was directed at Hindu temples as it was seen as the epicenter of Brahmin thought.
Shankaracharya was responsible for the renaisaance of Hinduism. In his travels all over the country, he found 6 primary deities worshipped by people and acknowledged them as the six primary worshipping methods. Kaumaram, the worship of Muruga (Subramanya), was the primary sect identified by him for Tamil Nadu region. Shankara did not create new Gods. He merely held debates against people of alternate thought and won the debates, primarily against the Budhdhist and Jain thoughts.
The current call for eradicating Sanatan arises from misunderstanding of what Sanatan is. I understand it means the 'ancient' default way of life. What the speakers for eradication of Sanatan are actually seeking is to eradicate the dominance of Brahmins. In their enthusiasm to attack one, they are attacking many other groups too. Though Brahmins of Tamil Nadu do not cause any significant trouble at present time, they are a good punching bag for political attention gathering. The political belief is that whoever can punch the 2% Brahmins would get more votes.
So the dravidian Tamils apparently want a Brahmin mukt Hinduism. Else, they would rather like to be identified as non Hindus who worship Shiva, Muruga and many local Devatas. You should consider the many Shaiv Mutts in Tamil Nadu as the heads of the majority religion here, and not the Shankar Mutt Acharya who is considered the leader for the Brahmin community. It even appears to me that the Lingayat sect in Karnataka may sound attractive to the dravidan Tamils.
Great Analysis Sir. Honoured to have your feedback
Nandri Sir🙏🏻
Shenmarg gods are the main all sort of avatar stories are some sort of jumlas to get connected with the rich southindian culture
Tamils are the real hindus. Not RSS type hindus. They are hindutuva missionaries converting hindus to hindutuva wuthout changing them as Hindutuva.
North Indian mostly converted to Islam and Sikhism and they are giving lecture to tamil that they are not religious 😂😂😂😂
The expression "Sanathan Dharma" is a Sanskrit phrase . So the very phrase is difficult to accept. Tamil is older than Sanskrit ( North Indians and others will say Sanskrit). Whatever be it both are oldest and Nehru himself said that India alone is home to two classic languages Tamil and Sanskrit. Also Sun Tan as we call it believes in brahminical -sanskritic superiority which is unacceptable in TN where we consider everyone as Equals. Third and Most important point is Tamil is not considered a Language but a Religion. The reason being the richness of the language in terms of literature, grammar sophistication and amazing depths of its philosophy. We can stand on our own without Sanskrit or Hindi. But BJP and North Indians love Hindi which is a Mughal language in contrast to Tamil which is a Hindu language. There are more contradictions in North than the contradiction you see in the Tamil being opposed to Sun Tan. Also constantly calling all South Indians as Africans has made us dislike North India which is ruling over us.
Shaivism and Vaishnavism are developed in Tamil Nadu
It is not developed by North Indian aryans
Hindu mostly worship Shiva and Vishnu avatars
Naathigam - Vedham marupadhu dhan naathigam. Thamizhargal naathiga vaadhigal.
Thamizhs earliest known religion is Aeesavaham. Saivam, vainavam came in later but originated in Thamizh.
There are artifacts supporting that which is dated centuries before.
Thamizhs are spiritual people, not religious hence we don’t like the brahmnical vedic following label of Sanatanam coz in its roots it’s against Thamizh philosophy of “pirapokkum ella uyirkum” ; all lives are same, note that not all humans, it mentions all lives are same. So Thamizhs can never ever be okay with being called a Sanatani, in fact it’s the only one fort which Sanathanis can never breach. will never breach.
what you talking about Tamil is true .please dont include periyar
Your understanding on Tamil culture is at surface level..... Study in deepth then only you can understand why Tamils are proud on the language and unique of their culture in the coutry..Ancient tamils worshipped only the nature not gods created by migrated Ariya's...
Tamil Brahmins mixed with local they look dark
Blaming the British for their sins. Typical deflection.
first you want to one think, each state have his own language.but which state origin to sanskrit.find out the answer then came know.the truth why we not accept sanadhanam.because we have everything our own.
North India is mostly Muslim and Sikh they themselves are not Hindu
only Up and bihar worship side Shiva and Vishnu and his avatars
Is your boss accepted your School Assignment? Your Video title & content are very much against our land and people. Portraying in wrong way. Your are study are one side. Don't blame any Historical - Its an land of equality - create content based on separation among humanity. Think and create content "why violence in Minpur".
Kings were not Brahmins at all. The maximum atrocities against the SCs are by the other Castes over the years. There are any number of Hymns in Tamil being recited in all major Temples in TN. The Saints were from all castes.
Purananooru talks about India.
Tamil language has more references to India than any other language.
Valmiki ramayana talks about tamil language. So either you get more information from authentic sources or better not to talk about these sensitive topics.