Hi it's me again - commenting again on my own video lol First up, expect a follow up - but please know it won't be this week/weekend for my own sanity's sake. I've done some digging into Liah's (former) church, and I think it might be most helpful to have a broad conversation about churches/cults and how they operate. I hate that I know I'm the person to do this video (what did I study? Nutrition, psychology and.... religion. Yeah.) The issue involves corruption within religious institutions combined with the psychology utilized to fool people into joining. I got this fam. Oh AND I grew up in a cult. And I'm LGBT+. Goooood lord, we'll chat. We have to?! But give me some time to post that as I want to put up a quality video for you all Secondly, PLEASE know this issue is not about Korean brands. Mistakes can happen with any brand out there. I absolutely understand hesitation at the moment, but in a time where Asians are already dealing with utterly horrible hatred and attacks, there's no need to direct this issue towards Korean brands. The hesitation that I take from this whole issue is on the need for testing and retesting. I think we as a community need to demand this from ALL brands (especially those who carry sunscreen). Thanks for reading 💖
I feel really bad that the SPF thing is making people send hate towards all Koreans brands. That's just really uncalled for. People are really missing the fact that the Korean brands are literally the only ones refunding customers. No western brand has done that when their sunscreens have been shown to perform poorly. Also, I highly recommend Odile Monod's recent video on this issue. She gives insight on how the regulation process works.
Hi everyone. I say at the end of this video that this is all the drama. Unfortunately, I've since been made aware of yet another problem with Krave Beauty. Apparently, the CEO (Liah) is associated with a homophobic church. In case you didn't know, I am part of the LGBTQIA community myself - and this is something that simply would not be acceptable to me. I left a "church" for similar reasons many years ago: if you stand against something, you cannot be a part of it. You're either an ally or you're not. Not both. You choose what and who you align yourself with. I will continue to look into this.
This is more problematic to me than the SPF issue (even though I still think they should have warned customers as soon as they thought it might not meet the standards instead of the repackaging non sense). she can believe whatever she wants but her brand portrays a very progressive and inclusive image and that's where queer people feel duped. What bothers me even more is her cis gender influencer friends accepting her apology as if it's theirs to accept. Anyway it's all pretty sad and I hope everyone grows from this experience and makes better choices.
@@sleepycat_ada8210 it's in NYC. I don't want to get anything wrong with the details but I highly encourage you to read the Reddit post about this which explains why this mega church is particularly problematic. I am a South Asian myself and I understand that if you have grown up in a country or community where LGBTQ+ rights are not inherently recognized, it can be hard to question your own faith. It is a journey and I am still learning so I can give anyone that benefit of doubt. But what I don't appreciate is then trying to portray a very different image when it comes to brand marketing and also behaving like you are the victim in the apology video.
Wow that krave blog post 🙃so crazy to think that they were recommending people to be hush hush about the spf. A skincare product should not be compared to a speakeasy bar! These shady practices put me off from trying out anything from these companies.
I think in all fairness that you ban Krave from your channel. They are being shady with the wink wink and not showing their lab study. But insisting that she would have her friends keep using it. That implies too much and it's dangerous and misleading. Luv the video. So much great info.
@@AliceintheRabbitHole I just love that you are so level headed and just a normal person lol. Other influencers would be handling this completely different. Keep up the great work and never change lol
So not that long ago, I purchased some eyeshadow palettes from Sephora. I have an actually allergy to talc. On the Sephora website, the ingredients list was without talc. I got them, used them...broke out in hives all around my eye area. I went to the companies website and sure as s***...talc. The ingredient deck was COMPLATETLY different. I called Sephora's customer service and argued with them over the coarse of a week. I have since checked and they FINALLY updated the website OVER A MONTH LATER. Don't trust them as far as I can throw them.
WOW. See that's the exact reason the INCI isn't something to play around with. I do not understand how "ingredients may vary" removes liability. It's absolute nonsense and needs to be fixed!!
When I worked at sephora, refunds were issued for anything purchased within a month. However, we did accept exchanges up to a year! So I would still take it back to the store and at least try and get an exchange or store credit and when they ask be honest! Tell them it's because they lied to you online and have since redacted their claim!
Your going to get kicked off there PR for airing this and I just wanted to say thank you I’m proud of you for being REAL AND TRANSPARENT AND IT IS COMING WITH A COST . You are helping us know what to trust and buy and I’m great full so thank you!
Buying from a company AND promoting a company (via PR or otherwise) are both supporting a brand. And I only want to support brands that care about their customers.
Thank you so much for this super informative video! I always love and appreciate your content! And yeah, that Rare foundation is 100% NOT for dry skin. I have normal-dry skin and when I first apply it I feel like a freaking lizard. It becomes beautiful as the day goes on but who wants to look like an iguana at any time of day? More importantly.....HAPPY BIRTHDAY!! 🍸
Ugh. So we can’t trust website reviews or ingredient lists. Skincare companies really be doing us dirty. D’Angelo Wallace removed his Shane, Tati and Jafar videos. I think after the recent allegations that James Charles is exactly the person Tati said he was in the “Bye, Sister” video, D’Angelo no longer wants to make money from them or be connected to them in any way. Edit: OMG I forgot to say happy birthday! 🎊🎉HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!🎂🎁
@@AliceintheRabbitHole sort of. Several underage boys have alleged that James Charles sent them inappropriate texts and pictures (which they can verify). Charles has admitted wrong-doing in his latest apology video, blamed it on desperation. I don’t watch the typical drama channels, they are icky. I get my info from Markie (that’s the channel name) and dishwashinglikwid.
Thanks for talking about these topics, beyond the specifics of each issue I think it is important for customers to know the types of things that go on so they are less likely to be duper (though I admit it can be impossible to "know" about many of these issues). Just to toss in my 2 cents as an attorney on the "legal" decision to withhold testing results, I believe the claims of legal and privacy considerations is a partial answer. From the legal perspective this information is possibly discoverable if a trial or government action were ever to bring courts into the mix, but I can see an attorney warning the company that disclosure of the information publicly increases the likelihood of litigation or governmental penalties. It is also conceivable that confidentiality provisions in their testing contracts may prohibit the release of reports (such reports could contain trade secrets in the way they are formed or the descriptions of the tests performed), though I find it unlikely that the actual resulting SPF would be confidential with a well drafted contract. I could even see a situation where disclosures about the sunscreen could violate the agreement with the labs that formulated the product. Krave specifically may face more problems than most in this sense given the "kind of a sunscreen" dance they did when selling to the US (if I recall correctly this was because the filters used were not approved by the USDA, as is the case with most modern chemical filters regardless of efficacy). If what Liah said in her video is true, she may also not wish to rely on any of the information she's received by providing exact numbers given how likely it is that an independent third party finds a different result (none of the labs seem fully consistent). All that said, I believe that all companies involved are simply performing cost/benefit analyses on whether the goodwill that may (no guarantee) result from the transparency outweighs the risk associated with disclosure. Different businesses will handle the matter different, and when dealing with the great unknown of public opinion it's hard to say what the best path forward is. One thing I will note however is that for all the credit being given to these companies for refunds, notice the fine print. Most refunds include purchases for a limited time window (I have a bottle from Krave and Purito that were purchased approximately a year before and therefore did not meet the 6 month windows), must be filed by a certain date, and often have other relevant details (max quantity, returns for credit not cash, etc.). To me this is further evidence that they are making calculated decisions about how to mitigate long term damages and liability as part of their plans. Now for the hard part... I can't say I consider the companies wrong for mitigating risk via limited transparency or half-assed return policies. I expect most organizations would handle similar matters in this type of way, and I feel it is relevant that most of these organizations at fault relied on false data from their developers. While that doesn't absolve them of all moral or legal responsibility, I am far more bothered by the organizations knowingly lying about products. The sunscreen developers running a scam, Herbivore lying about ingredients, Sunday Riley intentionally placing misleading reviews, even marketing teams claiming amazing results from basic or crappy ingredients knowing such claims to be fake. Those organizations are more overtly attempting to mislead the customer and that's what really bothers me.
Thank you for sharing that information! Yes, it does make sense from a PR perspective. And (prior to finding out about the church... and now failure to pay BIPOC creators as well) initially, I wasn't too upset about Krave's response. Mistakes happen and they did own up to it. Of course this bigger picture information is problematic though. Absolutely agree on all the other nonsense that goes on. I'm a tiny content creator, but I've still seen a slice of that world. Rest assured, there are questionable actions going on with some brands (and some content creators tbh). That doesn't mean it's every brand nor every person - but we do have to be vigilant and aware.
I'd rather have absolutely no transparency than this fake "we're transparent, I promise!" we're getting from brands right now. Good Molecules is doing it right. The rest of these brands... I'm not holding my breath.
I’m exhausted with this SPF scandal. It seems the issue is industry wide, so it’s only reasonable to assume until further notice to be suspicious of cosmetically elegant formulas. I don’t have the energy to still be outraged this many months in. But then again the UV index is low in my area of the world, so I’m happy to use up my dear Klairs sun screen even if it is a SPF 25 (I don’t know what SPF it is, just that they pulled it from the market).
Kind of how I'm feeling tbh. I use mineral sunscreens, they DEFINITELY leave a white cast....but I'm comfortable sticking with this. At least for the time being!
I couldn't agree more with you on the Krave situation. I'm infuriated that many reputable skin care influencers have rushed to support Leah on her response and even themselves say that will keep using it and recommend to their friends to use it as "safe"! It's so irresponsible, just cause they have a friendship or a business relationship...the same ones ripped apart Keep Cool and the rest who btw released their spf and this one they are like "oh well, it's ok"... As if sunscreen is not supposed to prevent cancer...it's not a freaking highlighter! Hypocrites!
Right? If it’s an SPF of 35 rather than 47, why not just say that? People use lower SPF, it’s not all close to 50. I’m guessing by them not releasing the results, it performed much lower.
Exactly. Sunscreen isn't merely cosmetic. And if it is "safe", then at the very least disclose the level of SPF (which still doesn't make up for selling a product that was incorrectly labeled). It's such a big mess all around
I'm so with you on this, I commented earlier how angry I get when they all recommended spf as an anti aging cream and how light and glowy it is on the skin. Never ever mentioning the main purpose is sun damage causing melanoma and death.
Looking forward to your follow up video. These are really interesting topics even if somewhat difficult to talk about (on your birthday no less). I actually still have some of the original Bakuchiol from Herbivore. Now I don’t know if I want to try it, possibly like it, and then never be able to get it again. It’s disappointing that Sephora doesn’t put more effort into maintaining accurate ingredient lists and product descriptions. They have a huge e-commerce presence and people rely on the description to make a decision about the products. Now, I also know why I didn’t like the Rare Beauty foundation either. 🙄 Happy belated birthday! 🎉
Thank you! Yeah, I still continue to go back and forth with my feelings on Sephora. I really want to love them (and I'm still Rouge so...I guess I do lol) but sheesh, why are there so many goofy things that happen with them?!
So my best friend who also happens to be a/my licensed medical aesthetecian and has two skincare brands works with the same photographer as herbivore and the photographer shared that the really pretty packaging of herbivore products often causes them to go be super rancid super quickly when she works with them 🤷
Happy Birthday Alice! What a bummer of a video. I was a little disappointed in the lack of transparency with Krave, but I never used Beet the Shield (or Sun) mostly because it was fairly pricey for a sunscreen for me. However, the Matcha Hemp cleanser is my HG, and I am now considering dropping the company as a whole upon learning about the church she's affiliated with. Also, I deeply appreciate you mentioning that incorrect labeling on sunscreen is rampant far beyond just Korean companies. I hope we can reframe the discussion of this from one race to discussing how capitalism CAN be a corrupting factor, the world over. Well. Now I sound loony. Thanks just the same. It's an important thing to remember that every major pharmaceutical company that produces sunscreen has had similar labelling fiascos, intentionally or otherwise. Every one.
The face that she's associated with a homophobic institution makes me a lot angrier than the spf thing because she was posting social justice things on insta and bragging about how her company mainly employs women and people of colour, all while supporting a homophobic instituition??? Huh? So she supports the two marginalized groups she's part of but LGBTQ people don't count? It's ok to discriminate against /those/ marginalized people? Sorry but you can't brag about how your brand is inclusive as a marketing gimmick because you know it'll make your brand more popular among young people and then not give a shit about other communities that face hate. It makes her look selfish and two faced, and that goes way beyond skincare.
I don't think that sounds loony. Whether it's capitalism itself or simply greed at its core, there does seem to be one bottom line all these scandals have in common: cutting corners to keep profits high.
I’m really impressed with the content covered in this video. I haven’t heard really anyone talk about these topics except for No BS Beauty and I appreciate you bringing these topics up so we can be more informed consumers. Thank you for linking the wayback articles and providing great resources! Ps. Is that a Glow Recipe hat? Love it!
Haha I just realized the absolute irony of my hats! Its from an old UNIF collection, and the two I own are: watermelon and avocado. Glow Recipe did their research on the "fruits that appeal to people most", clearly! 😆😆
It's interesting to see certain people who have huge subscribers and followers and tout themselves as specialist, not discuss any of these issues. They all promoted the products from all the companies and were sponsored but didn't disclose ever, but then they just pretend it never happened and they never mentioned these products. I guess they don't want to lose any pr or future sponsorships. Makes them look very untrustworthy, unethical and lack integrity. After all, their main audience are young, they should be giving them facts. I respect a person who tells the truth and wants their audience to know what is happening with all types of information. The good and the bad.
im so disappointed in liah and krave. i never used the sunscreen, but the matcha cleanser has been my cleanser for over a year. time to find a new cleanser!
I’m sad about Krave. I just started using and loving the great barrier relief. Never used the beet shield. I’m turned off by the lack of respect for their customers and feel lied to. We can handle the truth. Among the Korean sunscreens, I feel ok with Purito...came out early and openly. I also never tried Herbivore, but I would not trust this brand at all now. In his video, Mad about skin said he talked with Liah and he’s good with what she said to him.I also heard that she told him the spf results privately. Hmmmm. Not cool.
I agree with you about purito too. I use some of their centella products but never got around to the sunscreen, but I respect them for being honest and not trying to hide from the issue. Or shut people up. 😊
Happy birthday 🎉🥳 Also I can see how these videos would be hard to make but I think they are very important and helpful. I am now in a desperate search for new sunscreen as I used both Krave's and Purito!
I recommend the paulas choice ones (currently using the reservatrol one). I also enjoy the Innisfree one that's currently out of stock at Sephora, as well as the Make Prem physical sunscreen.
I agree with you about the Sephora site. There’s all kind of shadiness going on there. Between what you’re mentioning and supposed encouraging companies to post fake reviews. Wtf they won’t let you return the foundation at Sephora? Not ok. None of this is ok.
Yup. Same feelings exactly over here. I almost bought their cleanser over the weekend! sadly, this news suggests to me that they aren't the transparent, honest brand I believed them to be. It's just SO disappointing 😭
@@AliceintheRabbitHole absolutely. Seriously check out the mad hippie cream cleanser. I’ve been using it every night for a week or so and zero stripping. Great ingredients. Plus they sent samples of every other product in their line and packets of flower seeds! 😍 lol I love a nice bonus
Liah excuse it's bs, I'm sorry... what makes me even angrier is that all the comments under that video are: "poor girl" and nobody seems concerned about what they've applied all over their faces for months...
Happy birthday Alice! Thank you for this video... man what a disappointment. I’m one of those people who rejoiced when they brought the bakuchiol oil back and bought it right away. I don’t know why but herbivore just *felt* like a company that I could trust - guess you never know! Also, good to know about the krave beauty CEOs association with an anti LGBTQIA church. Happy to not put my dollars or support behind a company that doesn’t share my values. Herbivore and krave beauty? Thank you, NEXT!
Yep, I had read through their story and felt the founders were very passionate about their brand. Gave me a sense of confidence that is now gone, sadly 😭
I've watched you long enough to know you aren't just spewing BS, even if brands try and silently change their formulas. I rely on the information you present and your knowledge of these ingredients because I feel like brands purposefully try and either overload us with info or not give us enough info for consumers to be able to make informed decisions. Its hard to know whether reviews are even real or not these days cause I remember Sephora deleting negative reviews for products they were trying to promote. I pretty harshly reviewed the Tarte Knockout toner on Sephora's website and it was removed within a few days.
Happy Birthday Beautiful Alice 🎊🎂🎈 So sorry you had to do talk about this on your birthday but thank you for taking a stand! I hope you have a wonderful day! ❤❤
Happy birthday Alice! You look absolutely flowing into his video and I hope you still had a great celebration even with this video. Wish lots of success and creative energy in this new life year! As for the video: such transparent updates are extremely important. I follow you because I trust your objectivity and Independence.
I always wanted to try the Krave sunscreen and I was so pissed that it was so expensive here in Canada (I'm not paying forty dollars plus shipping for such a tiny bottle of sunscreen, sorry but that really isnt affordable to the average person) so I guess the upside of being poor and never getting to try a bunch of these products is it keeps you from trying a lot of overhyped things that are actually mediocre at best and dangerous at worst. It's also really weird when people go out of their way to defend these internet famous youtube people, it's some sort of bizarre form of celebrity worship, we really need to remember they're mainly here for their business and to make money, they're not our friends and we definitely dont need to defend them like they're our mothers when they mess up. They dont care about me like that so I dont care about them like that either. After the homophobic church thing I get angry when I see Liah's vids now tbh. Her whole fake sweet and innocent thing was obviously just a front to seem "relatable". I've seen people try to defend her on reddit and it's pathetic. Some people treat their skincare obsession almost like some sort of cult. They're just products, you don't need to form some sort of obsessive emotional attachment to CEOs of companies. It's sad. I also think youtubers like Gothamista and a lot of other really popular ones seem a little gullible themselves, I mean I remember when they were overhyping the inkey list like it was liquid gold or something and that brand has also had some sketchy problems with their ingredients lists and things showing up in completely different places on the list depending on where you buy it. Pretty funny when you consider that their brand name literally means ingredients list in british colloquial speech. I use skincare but I'm also tired of people treating it like it's some sort of magical cure-all. We're all going to age regardless and that's perfectly fine, I swear some people are going to have an emotional breakdown when they're 50 and they realize that no amount of skincare will make you look 26 forever.
OMG I feel all of this so much. Stan culture is so confusing to me?? And I really, really dislike the anti aging rhetoric. I think some people are forgetting that it's a privilege to age - a privilege that not every person has. So what if our bodies show that we have experienced life!? So WHAT!? Yes, sunscreen is important - so we don't risk our lives to skin cancer. But aging? It's not this end-of-the-world that I often see it perceived to be. And the inkey list absolutely has done a few sketchy things. Not that other brands haven't, but it goes to show that stanning people or brands can be a very dangerous mindset. We should be on guard even with the brands we enjoy - because we DO enjoy them and want to see them continue to make the best products they can
Wow, wow, wow.. Have you tried contacting Sephora customer service by email? High key you should "demand" a refund because you have proof they rewrote it. I'll shoot an email as well because I thought I was just skimming or not remembering right on a few Sephora blurbs. For Herbivore, they might just say "ingredient's lists change"? This is very disappointing. This skincare companies should have their things tested third party. Edit: Forward this to the ladies of Beauty News! Do you watch them? I think you all might get along well.
I remember when that krave sunscreen came out and all the shenanigana around the release of it here in the US, given how it started I'm not at all surprised about how it's going now. Happy birthday!
Happy BDay! You don't look a day over 50 haha. I think it actually might be against the law to lie about your SPF number, but don't quote me. Sketchy people, sketchy companies, and lots of sketchy YTubers man. Glad I use Lauder and Lancome.
Hahaha thank you! 😆 yeah tbh, not a bad plan. By the time those companies release a product, it's been through heavy duty testing. They're not going to make rookie mistakes!
Happy Birthday! 🎈🎊🎉 I had the Stay Cool sunscreen and when I found out about the SPF issues I was super annoyed- ended up using it as hand cream. Super hesitant to buy any other Korean sunscreens at this point...
Happy Birthday 🍻 I'm starting to question All the K-beauty products and what they claim is in our products, between the Wrong SPF in numerous brands and No Bakuchiol in the Herbivore Bakuchiol serum, I now question it all, and wonder What I'm rubbing on my face.
Please don't blanket every Korean brand together. 🥺 Please only company by company and the fact that there's probably tons and tons of companies worldwide who are getting away with lots of things behind the scenes. This sort of generalization is harmful to Asian Americans like myself and contribute to general distrust and alienation of us, especially during this time when so much hate crime is going on. 🥺 And Alice, I love you, I hope it doesn't mean you also think this way by liking this comment. I'm also LGBTQ and please let's make it more welcoming for those of us who are at the intersection of identities. 💕
@@ramenhair7178 This has NOTHING to do with racism or hate this has to do with multiple k-beauty brands saying certain ingredients are in products when they Aren't. The Issue your speaking about is everyone turning Anything that has to do with another Opinion into race or some kind of hate for that race which has Nothing to do with that issue at hand
@@katieh5604 There is no need to be so defensive. All I was saying is that language matters. The way we frame our words matter and have real consequences. I'm not sure why you needed to go straight to "you people always make it about race". Perhaps you should examine your own biases? Just because you do not experience it yourself it does not mean it does not happen. That is what privilege means - that you aren't privy to a minority's experience because it doesn't affect you the same. That is why it's important to listen to each other's stories. People are never willing to listen when I make the effort to talk to them, nicely, politely, and I think, why do I even bother? The way the comment was framed "ALL KOREAN BRANDS" - instead of how shady all corporations can be, globally, IS a blanket statement that generalizes an entire country of people and lump them in together. You can talk about government regulations in a more global sense without drawing borders. This is a CAPITALISM problem, deceiving consumers for profit, not just a Korean problem.
@@ramenhair7178 I meant liberals not koreans but take it however you want I stated my Opinion and stand by it regardless of anyone else's opinion about it
@@ramenhair7178 you're spot on - it's a capitalism problem, not a Korean problem My apologies, the comment section has been overwhelming here so I haven't quite gotten through every one. But yes, that was why I added the NZ sunscreen issue. It's a problem worldwide! I think it's important that we don't get too comfortable with blindly supporting any brand (now I'm referencing the Stan culture...thing I keep seeing!) We need to insist that every brand, no matter their origins/owners/popularity, is giving us accurate information on their products.
Doh COSRX isn’t selling them anymore?? Just change the label lol >.> my favorite used to be the Biore watery essence Japanese/Korean sunblock. Hmmm. I wonder... we’re trying to find a new sunscreen that isn’t gross feeling :(
@@bdazzld Oh I didn’t know about a formula change! Honestly I buy it on Amazon, but I know that isn’t the best place to buy beauty stuff because of counterfeit products.
This is so disheartening! I used the original Herbivore Bakuchiol and planned to repurchase, but after it disappeared, I said oh well, and now I am glad I wasn't anxiously awaiting a re-release. I never tried the Beet Shield, but I considered it. I might have purchased it if it were in stock at the time... I feel like I dodged a bullet back then. Definitely will make me second guess future purchases.
Yup, I considered buying from them through Stylevana, but they jacked up the prices SO much that I talked myself out of it. All's well that ends well, I suppose 😳
I am bummed about the bakuchiol. I really like the serum itself, but for the price I can get a cheaper tremella mushroom product somewhere else lol. I asked about a possible refund but have not heard back. (*Also happy birthday!)
Wow. What a hot mess. Liars. You know there are so many more. When you see one cockroach there are 500 more hiding. I don't even know what to say. Luv ya ❌⭕❌
I honestly have always assumed spf is about 60% of what is listed on the package just based on the long history of improper testing. I kinda wish Krave had kept the product up because it's literally the only sunscreen that had worked for me. I have a bad reaction to mineral sunscreens and most chemical filters make my eyes water until I've literally cried all of it off my skin. I honestly don't know what to get now...
Smart of you to view it that way tbh - it really is a very long track record of shortcomings. 🙁 Ugh that sounds so frustrating. Hope you can find a good substitute!
Before I even get into the video good I have to say that you know that Bakuchiol is my favorite thing. I love you even more now that I know you are an Aries. I too am an Aries and my son is one as well.
The silver lining is that the lab also tested several other brands’ bakuchiol products and found they were within the recommended range of 0.5-2% bakuchiol.
@@AliceintheRabbitHole I definitely think I live up to the traits and especially when someone makes me mad. I was born at the end of March so maybe I am that TRUE Aries.
i totally remember you trying that foundation and saying this ain't for dry skin ahhhh and i stayed away just based on your reaction. that's hilarious. love the liquid blushes tho. i was already not wanting it based on so many people not figuring out their shade but you were the final nail.
The blushes are fantastic! I'm glad I grabbed those mini sets around the holidays - normally I don't feel I need multiples of shades, but I actually love all the liquid blushes that I have
Hallo! I recently subscribed to your channel. Thank you for sharing your competence, honesty and passion for skin. Besides, I find your voice tone very soothing and endearing. Congrats and keep up the good work. Kiss. Luca (Italian living in Paris)
Ugh so disappointed! Especially about herbivore which I just recently got into....also I was waiting patiently for you to review their new cloud jelly serum :( Oh well. Do you have a dupe for their Phoenix oil? I have a brand new bottle I need to use up but am open to try something new afterwards if anyone knows of something similar
Happy Birthday Alice! Thank you for covering this. I am really disappointed in this. I had just discovered Banobagi sunscreen, which I loved, when that scandal hit. Of course it’s gone now so I can only assume it was not an accurately reported SPF. And now Herbivore...who apparently isn’t going to address the issue at all! THAT is pissing me off as much if not more than the deception. I did like the product; never tried the original so not sure how it compares, but I’ll never purchase from Herbivore again. Really shady. I won’t try anything from Krave either. Her apology video was off and now the church thing?! Nasty. Anyway, thank you for the info and I hope your birthday was lovely:)
Happy Birthday! Unfortunate that people can't just worry about growing in virtue, helping those less fortunate and let G-d do the judging. Wouldn't that be easier for everyone? Thanks for all your research.
Happy birthday Alice 💕 I respect you for this vid, many creators are still quiet and honestly, my opinion of course but it annoys me. as consumers I think it's so important we have this information. People are tired of misleading and inaccurate marketing, cover ups, fake reviews and the lot of it. I prefer transparency and truth so I can make an informed decision about who gets my £££. Sending love x
It's an archive of the internet! They take "snapshots" of websites and store them. Tbh it's actually quite fun: you can use it to see the old school Sephora for example ...or you can find out what has been deleted, as I did in this video 🙈
@@AliceintheRabbitHole lol I was making a joke about how they named it after the prof. and sherman. Very cheeky of them! Edit: I, falsely, assumed they were wondering about the name. I'm such a dork.
@@lanaj1107 I appreciate you giving the source of the name. I knew it was from some cartoon from my childhood, but I couldn’t remember which one. Also I liked to sleep in on Saturday mornings and I missed a lot.
Happy Birthday to you, Alice!!!! You are amazing! I know this wasn’t the video you wanted to make on your birthday but we so need it. I share your anger about Sephora. The consumer is way to smart to be taken anymore. Sending you hugs for your birthday💛
Wow, amazing about the mislabeling issue, not just SPF, but also ingredients with some brands. OMG, wondering how honest US brands are too. Looking forward to hearing more.
Large retail sites generally aggregate their product data directly from the vendor, my guess is that those changes on the Sephora site were done by the companies and not by Sephora themselves.
@@AliceintheRabbitHole I mean, it's possible that Sephora is updating manually, but I *highly* doubt it. I work in retail website management and it would cost so much in staff time. An aggregate company like Sephora (where they sell products from multiple vendors) will definitely be using vendor data for their product listings.
For example, most indie bookstores in the US (the field I've worked in) all aggregate their data from a major distributor, who receives their data from the publishers. That publisher data is also provided for any major online retail site (amazon, target, barnes & noble, etc). There are some stores who input data manually, but it's rare and fairly cost-intensive in staff time.
Wow all the drama is crazy did u see herbivore released a new serum the cloud one I wonder how that will do sense all this. Also did you see lord Jones came out with a mini set of the oil and mantel cream it's kinda high regular price at 47$ for 2 products at .25 weight. I have some Krave products I dont love like other people do but that's Truely sad that leah would be a part of a church like that I think we should have come past all that it's not 1950 anymore.
Yep I actually got it in PR! And tbh, unless this word gets out more - I think they will do just fine. Apparently this news actually broke months ago, but none of us picked it up until the last week or so. Very shocking stuff!
Hi it's me again - commenting again on my own video lol
First up, expect a follow up - but please know it won't be this week/weekend for my own sanity's sake. I've done some digging into Liah's (former) church, and I think it might be most helpful to have a broad conversation about churches/cults and how they operate. I hate that I know I'm the person to do this video (what did I study? Nutrition, psychology and.... religion. Yeah.) The issue involves corruption within religious institutions combined with the psychology utilized to fool people into joining. I got this fam. Oh AND I grew up in a cult. And I'm LGBT+. Goooood lord, we'll chat. We have to?!
But give me some time to post that as I want to put up a quality video for you all
Secondly, PLEASE know this issue is not about Korean brands. Mistakes can happen with any brand out there. I absolutely understand hesitation at the moment, but in a time where Asians are already dealing with utterly horrible hatred and attacks, there's no need to direct this issue towards Korean brands. The hesitation that I take from this whole issue is on the need for testing and retesting. I think we as a community need to demand this from ALL brands (especially those who carry sunscreen).
Thanks for reading 💖
I feel really bad that the SPF thing is making people send hate towards all Koreans brands. That's just really uncalled for. People are really missing the fact that the Korean brands are literally the only ones refunding customers. No western brand has done that when their sunscreens have been shown to perform poorly. Also, I highly recommend Odile Monod's recent video on this issue. She gives insight on how the regulation process works.
looking forward to hearing more about what you said above
Hi everyone.
I say at the end of this video that this is all the drama. Unfortunately, I've since been made aware of yet another problem with Krave Beauty.
Apparently, the CEO (Liah) is associated with a homophobic church. In case you didn't know, I am part of the LGBTQIA community myself - and this is something that simply would not be acceptable to me.
I left a "church" for similar reasons many years ago: if you stand against something, you cannot be a part of it. You're either an ally or you're not. Not both. You choose what and who you align yourself with.
I will continue to look into this.
Holy shit! I had no idea!
Right, it's heartbreaking.
This is more problematic to me than the SPF issue (even though I still think they should have warned customers as soon as they thought it might not meet the standards instead of the repackaging non sense). she can believe whatever she wants but her brand portrays a very progressive and inclusive image and that's where queer people feel duped. What bothers me even more is her cis gender influencer friends accepting her apology as if it's theirs to accept. Anyway it's all pretty sad and I hope everyone grows from this experience and makes better choices.
@@sleepycat_ada8210 it's in NYC. I don't want to get anything wrong with the details but I highly encourage you to read the Reddit post about this which explains why this mega church is particularly problematic. I am a South Asian myself and I understand that if you have grown up in a country or community where LGBTQ+ rights are not inherently recognized, it can be hard to question your own faith. It is a journey and I am still learning so I can give anyone that benefit of doubt. But what I don't appreciate is then trying to portray a very different image when it comes to brand marketing and also behaving like you are the victim in the apology video.
Wow so I dont support you or your lifestyle but you can buy my products smh Go Figure
Wow that krave blog post 🙃so crazy to think that they were recommending people to be hush hush about the spf. A skincare product should not be compared to a speakeasy bar! These shady practices put me off from trying out anything from these companies.
MMHMM. Thank you for reading that!
I think in all fairness that you ban Krave from your channel. They are being shady with the wink wink and not showing their lab study. But insisting that she would have her friends keep using it. That implies too much and it's dangerous and misleading. Luv the video. So much great info.
I'm glad I never gave them money/support. Hopefully Liah makes some better choices going forward, but for now I need to see it to believe it.
@@AliceintheRabbitHole I just love that you are so level headed and just a normal person lol. Other influencers would be handling this completely different. Keep up the great work and never change lol
So not that long ago, I purchased some eyeshadow palettes from Sephora. I have an actually allergy to talc. On the Sephora website, the ingredients list was without talc. I got them, used them...broke out in hives all around my eye area.
I went to the companies website and sure as s***...talc. The ingredient deck was COMPLATETLY different.
I called Sephora's customer service and argued with them over the coarse of a week. I have since checked and they FINALLY updated the website OVER A MONTH LATER.
Don't trust them as far as I can throw them.
WOW. See that's the exact reason the INCI isn't something to play around with. I do not understand how "ingredients may vary" removes liability. It's absolute nonsense and needs to be fixed!!
When I worked at sephora, refunds were issued for anything purchased within a month. However, we did accept exchanges up to a year! So I would still take it back to the store and at least try and get an exchange or store credit and when they ask be honest! Tell them it's because they lied to you online and have since redacted their claim!
Ooooh good idea. At least trade it in for something that doesn't look horrendous on me 😅
Your going to get kicked off there PR for airing this and I just wanted to say thank you I’m proud of you for being REAL AND TRANSPARENT AND IT IS COMING WITH A COST . You are helping us know what to trust and buy and I’m great full so thank you!
Buying from a company AND promoting a company (via PR or otherwise) are both supporting a brand. And I only want to support brands that care about their customers.
Thank you so much for this super informative video! I always love and appreciate your content! And yeah, that Rare foundation is 100% NOT for dry skin. I have normal-dry skin and when I first apply it I feel like a freaking lizard. It becomes beautiful as the day goes on but who wants to look like an iguana at any time of day?
More importantly.....HAPPY BIRTHDAY!! 🍸
Ugh. So we can’t trust website reviews or ingredient lists. Skincare companies really be doing us dirty.
D’Angelo Wallace removed his Shane, Tati and Jafar videos. I think after the recent allegations that James Charles is exactly the person Tati said he was in the “Bye, Sister” video, D’Angelo no longer wants to make money from them or be connected to them in any way.
Edit: OMG I forgot to say happy birthday! 🎊🎉HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!🎂🎁
Oh my, I keep forgetting that I have to catch up on all of that (maybe? It's that Bye Sister was correct, right?)
Thank you!
@@AliceintheRabbitHole sort of. Several underage boys have alleged that James Charles sent them inappropriate texts and pictures (which they can verify). Charles has admitted wrong-doing in his latest apology video, blamed it on desperation.
I don’t watch the typical drama channels, they are icky. I get my info from Markie (that’s the channel name) and dishwashinglikwid.
Thanks for talking about these topics, beyond the specifics of each issue I think it is important for customers to know the types of things that go on so they are less likely to be duper (though I admit it can be impossible to "know" about many of these issues).
Just to toss in my 2 cents as an attorney on the "legal" decision to withhold testing results, I believe the claims of legal and privacy considerations is a partial answer. From the legal perspective this information is possibly discoverable if a trial or government action were ever to bring courts into the mix, but I can see an attorney warning the company that disclosure of the information publicly increases the likelihood of litigation or governmental penalties. It is also conceivable that confidentiality provisions in their testing contracts may prohibit the release of reports (such reports could contain trade secrets in the way they are formed or the descriptions of the tests performed), though I find it unlikely that the actual resulting SPF would be confidential with a well drafted contract. I could even see a situation where disclosures about the sunscreen could violate the agreement with the labs that formulated the product. Krave specifically may face more problems than most in this sense given the "kind of a sunscreen" dance they did when selling to the US (if I recall correctly this was because the filters used were not approved by the USDA, as is the case with most modern chemical filters regardless of efficacy). If what Liah said in her video is true, she may also not wish to rely on any of the information she's received by providing exact numbers given how likely it is that an independent third party finds a different result (none of the labs seem fully consistent).
All that said, I believe that all companies involved are simply performing cost/benefit analyses on whether the goodwill that may (no guarantee) result from the transparency outweighs the risk associated with disclosure. Different businesses will handle the matter different, and when dealing with the great unknown of public opinion it's hard to say what the best path forward is. One thing I will note however is that for all the credit being given to these companies for refunds, notice the fine print. Most refunds include purchases for a limited time window (I have a bottle from Krave and Purito that were purchased approximately a year before and therefore did not meet the 6 month windows), must be filed by a certain date, and often have other relevant details (max quantity, returns for credit not cash, etc.). To me this is further evidence that they are making calculated decisions about how to mitigate long term damages and liability as part of their plans.
Now for the hard part... I can't say I consider the companies wrong for mitigating risk via limited transparency or half-assed return policies. I expect most organizations would handle similar matters in this type of way, and I feel it is relevant that most of these organizations at fault relied on false data from their developers. While that doesn't absolve them of all moral or legal responsibility, I am far more bothered by the organizations knowingly lying about products. The sunscreen developers running a scam, Herbivore lying about ingredients, Sunday Riley intentionally placing misleading reviews, even marketing teams claiming amazing results from basic or crappy ingredients knowing such claims to be fake. Those organizations are more overtly attempting to mislead the customer and that's what really bothers me.
Thank you for sharing that information! Yes, it does make sense from a PR perspective. And (prior to finding out about the church... and now failure to pay BIPOC creators as well) initially, I wasn't too upset about Krave's response. Mistakes happen and they did own up to it. Of course this bigger picture information is problematic though.
Absolutely agree on all the other nonsense that goes on. I'm a tiny content creator, but I've still seen a slice of that world. Rest assured, there are questionable actions going on with some brands (and some content creators tbh). That doesn't mean it's every brand nor every person - but we do have to be vigilant and aware.
That shirt! It's almost like...liquid holo!
I'd rather have absolutely no transparency than this fake "we're transparent, I promise!" we're getting from brands right now. Good Molecules is doing it right. The rest of these brands... I'm not holding my breath.
Agreed fully.
Happy birthday Alice! 🎂💐 Your channel is really valuable!
I’m exhausted with this SPF scandal. It seems the issue is industry wide, so it’s only reasonable to assume until further notice to be suspicious of cosmetically elegant formulas. I don’t have the energy to still be outraged this many months in.
But then again the UV index is low in my area of the world, so I’m happy to use up my dear Klairs sun screen even if it is a SPF 25 (I don’t know what SPF it is, just that they pulled it from the market).
Kind of how I'm feeling tbh. I use mineral sunscreens, they DEFINITELY leave a white cast....but I'm comfortable sticking with this. At least for the time being!
Happy birthday and I’m very proud of you for taking a stand. Keep strong gurl!
Happy birthday Alice!!!! 🎉 🍾
Thank you! 😁
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Happy birthday Alice!!!!! Love you, you charming, smart af, AMAZING BADASS lady!!!!! 🙌🙌🙌🥳🥳🥳🥳🎉🎂🎈🎉🎁🎉🎉💖💖💖💖💖💝
I couldn't agree more with you on the Krave situation. I'm infuriated that many reputable skin care influencers have rushed to support Leah on her response and even themselves say that will keep using it and recommend to their friends to use it as "safe"! It's so irresponsible, just cause they have a friendship or a business relationship...the same ones ripped apart Keep Cool and the rest who btw released their spf and this one they are like "oh well, it's ok"... As if sunscreen is not supposed to prevent cancer...it's not a freaking highlighter! Hypocrites!
Right? If it’s an SPF of 35 rather than 47, why not just say that? People use lower SPF, it’s not all close to 50. I’m guessing by them not releasing the results, it performed much lower.
Exactly. Sunscreen isn't merely cosmetic. And if it is "safe", then at the very least disclose the level of SPF (which still doesn't make up for selling a product that was incorrectly labeled). It's such a big mess all around
I'm so with you on this, I commented earlier how angry I get when they all recommended spf as an anti aging cream and how light and glowy it is on the skin. Never ever mentioning the main purpose is sun damage causing melanoma and death.
wow. I thought only the supplement industry was shady about their ingredients. 🤨
If the potential for greed exists, then the potential for shady manufacturing will also exist. It's sad but all too true 🙁
Looking forward to your follow up video. These are really interesting topics even if somewhat difficult to talk about (on your birthday no less). I actually still have some of the original Bakuchiol from Herbivore. Now I don’t know if I want to try it, possibly like it, and then never be able to get it again. It’s disappointing that Sephora doesn’t put more effort into maintaining accurate ingredient lists and product descriptions. They have a huge e-commerce presence and people rely on the description to make a decision about the products. Now, I also know why I didn’t like the Rare Beauty foundation either. 🙄 Happy belated birthday! 🎉
Thank you! Yeah, I still continue to go back and forth with my feelings on Sephora. I really want to love them (and I'm still Rouge so...I guess I do lol) but sheesh, why are there so many goofy things that happen with them?!
The whole sunscreen issue for me is like I ask for 100% beef but only got 70%
Yes!
So my best friend who also happens to be a/my licensed medical aesthetecian and has two skincare brands works with the same photographer as herbivore and the photographer shared that the really pretty packaging of herbivore products often causes them to go be super rancid super quickly when she works with them 🤷
Happy Birthday Alice!
What a bummer of a video. I was a little disappointed in the lack of transparency with Krave, but I never used Beet the Shield (or Sun) mostly because it was fairly pricey for a sunscreen for me. However, the Matcha Hemp cleanser is my HG, and I am now considering dropping the company as a whole upon learning about the church she's affiliated with. Also, I deeply appreciate you mentioning that incorrect labeling on sunscreen is rampant far beyond just Korean companies. I hope we can reframe the discussion of this from one race to discussing how capitalism CAN be a corrupting factor, the world over. Well. Now I sound loony. Thanks just the same. It's an important thing to remember that every major pharmaceutical company that produces sunscreen has had similar labelling fiascos, intentionally or otherwise. Every one.
The face that she's associated with a homophobic institution makes me a lot angrier than the spf thing because she was posting social justice things on insta and bragging about how her company mainly employs women and people of colour, all while supporting a homophobic instituition??? Huh? So she supports the two marginalized groups she's part of but LGBTQ people don't count? It's ok to discriminate against /those/ marginalized people? Sorry but you can't brag about how your brand is inclusive as a marketing gimmick because you know it'll make your brand more popular among young people and then not give a shit about other communities that face hate. It makes her look selfish and two faced, and that goes way beyond skincare.
I don't think that sounds loony. Whether it's capitalism itself or simply greed at its core, there does seem to be one bottom line all these scandals have in common: cutting corners to keep profits high.
I’m really impressed with the content covered in this video. I haven’t heard really anyone talk about these topics except for No BS Beauty and I appreciate you bringing these topics up so we can be more informed consumers. Thank you for linking the wayback articles and providing great resources! Ps. Is that a Glow Recipe hat? Love it!
Haha I just realized the absolute irony of my hats! Its from an old UNIF collection, and the two I own are: watermelon and avocado. Glow Recipe did their research on the "fruits that appeal to people most", clearly! 😆😆
@@AliceintheRabbitHole oh that’s funny lol once again, great work!!
It's interesting to see certain people who have huge subscribers and followers and tout themselves as specialist, not discuss any of these issues. They all promoted the products from all the companies and were sponsored but didn't disclose ever, but then they just pretend it never happened and they never mentioned these products. I guess they don't want to lose any pr or future sponsorships. Makes them look very untrustworthy, unethical and lack integrity. After all, their main audience are young, they should be giving them facts. I respect a person who tells the truth and wants their audience to know what is happening with all types of information. The good and the bad.
@@kellysblackcat this has Hyram written all over it ^^^ I couldn’t agree more!!
im so disappointed in liah and krave. i never used the sunscreen, but the matcha cleanser has been my cleanser for over a year. time to find a new cleanser!
Happy Birthday, Alice!
Happy birthday Alice enjoy your special day 🎂
Great video as always
I’m sad about Krave. I just started using and loving the great barrier relief. Never used the beet shield. I’m turned off by the lack of respect for their customers and feel lied to. We can handle the truth. Among the Korean sunscreens, I feel ok with Purito...came out early and openly. I also never tried Herbivore, but I would not trust this brand at all now. In his video, Mad about skin said he talked with Liah and he’s good with what she said to him.I also heard that she told him the spf results privately. Hmmmm. Not cool.
Agree, I think Purito DID handle this well. Mistakes happen: there's a way to own up to them!
I agree with you about purito too. I use some of their centella products but never got around to the sunscreen, but I respect them for being honest and not trying to hide from the issue. Or shut people up. 😊
Happy birthday 🎉🥳 Also I can see how these videos would be hard to make but I think they are very important and helpful. I am now in a desperate search for new sunscreen as I used both Krave's and Purito!
@@sleepycat_ada8210 thanks for the recommendation!
I recommend the paulas choice ones (currently using the reservatrol one). I also enjoy the Innisfree one that's currently out of stock at Sephora, as well as the Make Prem physical sunscreen.
Omggggg! 50%?!?!?! That’s not ok. When is the US going to do these checks?
And herbivore!!!! Wtf. NOOOOOOO! 😩😩😩 I love their products so much and just ordered more in VIB sale. Why so shady? 😭😩
I agree with you about the Sephora site. There’s all kind of shadiness going on there. Between what you’re mentioning and supposed encouraging companies to post fake reviews. Wtf they won’t let you return the foundation at Sephora? Not ok. None of this is ok.
Yup. Same feelings exactly over here. I almost bought their cleanser over the weekend! sadly, this news suggests to me that they aren't the transparent, honest brand I believed them to be. It's just SO disappointing 😭
@@AliceintheRabbitHole absolutely. Seriously check out the mad hippie cream cleanser. I’ve been using it every night for a week or so and zero stripping. Great ingredients. Plus they sent samples of every other product in their line and packets of flower seeds! 😍 lol I love a nice bonus
Liah excuse it's bs, I'm sorry... what makes me even angrier is that all the comments under that video are: "poor girl" and nobody seems concerned about what they've applied all over their faces for months...
Happy birthday Alice! Thank you for this video... man what a disappointment. I’m one of those people who rejoiced when they brought the bakuchiol oil back and bought it right away. I don’t know why but herbivore just *felt* like a company that I could trust - guess you never know!
Also, good to know about the krave beauty CEOs association with an anti LGBTQIA church. Happy to not put my dollars or support behind a company that doesn’t share my values.
Herbivore and krave beauty? Thank you, NEXT!
Yep, I had read through their story and felt the founders were very passionate about their brand. Gave me a sense of confidence that is now gone, sadly 😭
I've watched you long enough to know you aren't just spewing BS, even if brands try and silently change their formulas. I rely on the information you present and your knowledge of these ingredients because I feel like brands purposefully try and either overload us with info or not give us enough info for consumers to be able to make informed decisions. Its hard to know whether reviews are even real or not these days cause I remember Sephora deleting negative reviews for products they were trying to promote. I pretty harshly reviewed the Tarte Knockout toner on Sephora's website and it was removed within a few days.
I refuse to buy clean beauty, therefore Herbivore has no interest for me.
I love all your videos and my skin care has changed since I started using products that you recommended 😍🥰
So happy to hear! 🥰
Happy Birthday Beautiful Alice 🎊🎂🎈 So sorry you had to do talk about this on your birthday but thank you for taking a stand! I hope you have a wonderful day! ❤❤
Happy birthday Alice! You look absolutely flowing into his video and I hope you still had a great celebration even with this video. Wish lots of success and creative energy in this new life year!
As for the video: such transparent updates are extremely important. I follow you because I trust your objectivity and Independence.
I always wanted to try the Krave sunscreen and I was so pissed that it was so expensive here in Canada (I'm not paying forty dollars plus shipping for such a tiny bottle of sunscreen, sorry but that really isnt affordable to the average person) so I guess the upside of being poor and never getting to try a bunch of these products is it keeps you from trying a lot of overhyped things that are actually mediocre at best and dangerous at worst. It's also really weird when people go out of their way to defend these internet famous youtube people, it's some sort of bizarre form of celebrity worship, we really need to remember they're mainly here for their business and to make money, they're not our friends and we definitely dont need to defend them like they're our mothers when they mess up. They dont care about me like that so I dont care about them like that either. After the homophobic church thing I get angry when I see Liah's vids now tbh. Her whole fake sweet and innocent thing was obviously just a front to seem "relatable". I've seen people try to defend her on reddit and it's pathetic. Some people treat their skincare obsession almost like some sort of cult. They're just products, you don't need to form some sort of obsessive emotional attachment to CEOs of companies. It's sad.
I also think youtubers like Gothamista and a lot of other really popular ones seem a little gullible themselves, I mean I remember when they were overhyping the inkey list like it was liquid gold or something and that brand has also had some sketchy problems with their ingredients lists and things showing up in completely different places on the list depending on where you buy it. Pretty funny when you consider that their brand name literally means ingredients list in british colloquial speech. I use skincare but I'm also tired of people treating it like it's some sort of magical cure-all. We're all going to age regardless and that's perfectly fine, I swear some people are going to have an emotional breakdown when they're 50 and they realize that no amount of skincare will make you look 26 forever.
OMG I feel all of this so much. Stan culture is so confusing to me??
And I really, really dislike the anti aging rhetoric. I think some people are forgetting that it's a privilege to age - a privilege that not every person has. So what if our bodies show that we have experienced life!? So WHAT!?
Yes, sunscreen is important - so we don't risk our lives to skin cancer. But aging? It's not this end-of-the-world that I often see it perceived to be.
And the inkey list absolutely has done a few sketchy things. Not that other brands haven't, but it goes to show that stanning people or brands can be a very dangerous mindset. We should be on guard even with the brands we enjoy - because we DO enjoy them and want to see them continue to make the best products they can
Wow, wow, wow.. Have you tried contacting Sephora customer service by email? High key you should "demand" a refund because you have proof they rewrote it. I'll shoot an email as well because I thought I was just skimming or not remembering right on a few Sephora blurbs. For Herbivore, they might just say "ingredient's lists change"? This is very disappointing. This skincare companies should have their things tested third party.
Edit: Forward this to the ladies of Beauty News! Do you watch them? I think you all might get along well.
Happy Birthday !! 🎊🎊
Good idea on contacting beauty news! This info needs to be out there; too few have heard about it
Thank you!
Happy birthday so good that you care, so here's some positive vibes to enjoy your day🙏💄🎂🥂🎉🎊xxxmaxine
It's funny, almost all times I've heard of Herbivore, it was because of something shady going on with them
Happy birthday! Your skin is looking especially lovely today!
I am a safe person, and I will always hold space for you. Whatever you maybe. LGBTQ+ Black, Brown, Asian, any race, coming out, anything. 💜
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Happy happy birthday 🎉🎁🎂🎊
Could we please have some more of your irregular content on Friday? That’s why I watch you! ❤️❤️
Thank you! 💕
Happy Birthday, Alice! Sorry for the plethora of cr@p that's going on in the world.
Thank you! Whew there sure is a lot, huh?
I remember when that krave sunscreen came out and all the shenanigana around the release of it here in the US, given how it started I'm not at all surprised about how it's going now. Happy birthday!
Happy birthday Alice!!!! 🎉🎂🤗
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Happy BDay! You don't look a day over 50 haha. I think it actually might be against the law to lie about your SPF number, but don't quote me. Sketchy people, sketchy companies, and lots of sketchy YTubers man. Glad I use Lauder and Lancome.
Hahaha thank you! 😆 yeah tbh, not a bad plan. By the time those companies release a product, it's been through heavy duty testing. They're not going to make rookie mistakes!
Happy Birthday! 🎈🎊🎉 I had the Stay Cool sunscreen and when I found out about the SPF issues I was super annoyed- ended up using it as hand cream. Super hesitant to buy any other Korean sunscreens at this point...
Thank you 😁
Wow, great video, super disappointed but in other news I hope you enjoyed your Birthday!!
Happy Birthday 🍻 I'm starting to question All the K-beauty products and what they claim is in our products, between the Wrong SPF in numerous brands and No Bakuchiol in the Herbivore Bakuchiol serum, I now question it all, and wonder What I'm rubbing on my face.
Please don't blanket every Korean brand together. 🥺 Please only company by company and the fact that there's probably tons and tons of companies worldwide who are getting away with lots of things behind the scenes.
This sort of generalization is harmful to Asian Americans like myself and contribute to general distrust and alienation of us, especially during this time when so much hate crime is going on. 🥺
And Alice, I love you, I hope it doesn't mean you also think this way by liking this comment. I'm also LGBTQ and please let's make it more welcoming for those of us who are at the intersection of identities. 💕
@@ramenhair7178 This has NOTHING to do with racism or hate this has to do with multiple k-beauty brands saying certain ingredients are in products when they Aren't. The Issue your speaking about is everyone turning Anything that has to do with another Opinion into race or some kind of hate for that race which has Nothing to do with that issue at hand
@@katieh5604 There is no need to be so defensive. All I was saying is that language matters. The way we frame our words matter and have real consequences. I'm not sure why you needed to go straight to "you people always make it about race". Perhaps you should examine your own biases?
Just because you do not experience it yourself it does not mean it does not happen. That is what privilege means - that you aren't privy to a minority's experience because it doesn't affect you the same. That is why it's important to listen to each other's stories. People are never willing to listen when I make the effort to talk to them, nicely, politely, and I think, why do I even bother?
The way the comment was framed "ALL KOREAN BRANDS" - instead of how shady all corporations can be, globally, IS a blanket statement that generalizes an entire country of people and lump them in together. You can talk about government regulations in a more global sense without drawing borders.
This is a CAPITALISM problem, deceiving consumers for profit, not just a Korean problem.
@@ramenhair7178 I meant liberals not koreans but take it however you want I stated my Opinion and stand by it regardless of anyone else's opinion about it
@@ramenhair7178 you're spot on - it's a capitalism problem, not a Korean problem
My apologies, the comment section has been overwhelming here so I haven't quite gotten through every one. But yes, that was why I added the NZ sunscreen issue. It's a problem worldwide!
I think it's important that we don't get too comfortable with blindly supporting any brand (now I'm referencing the Stan culture...thing I keep seeing!) We need to insist that every brand, no matter their origins/owners/popularity, is giving us accurate information on their products.
Happy birthday 🎉. Hope you have a wonderful day and a wonderful year ahead 💖
Aw thank you ☺️
Also-happy birthday!!!!!!
Happy birthday alice! Thank you for sharing this info with us ❤
Doh COSRX isn’t selling them anymore?? Just change the label lol >.> my favorite used to be the Biore watery essence Japanese/Korean sunblock. Hmmm. I wonder... we’re trying to find a new sunscreen that isn’t gross feeling :(
I feel fairly confident saying I trust Biore? Their sunscreens are well loved and seem to have adequate levels of filters
I still use the biore aqua rich watery essence!
@@ashleypfohl7843 where are you finding it? I read they did a formula change and I can’t find it on yestyle anymore :(
@@bdazzld Oh I didn’t know about a formula change! Honestly I buy it on Amazon, but I know that isn’t the best place to buy beauty stuff because of counterfeit products.
@@ashleypfohl7843 shhh. I just found it on stylevana...
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🎈🎉😎 thank you!
Happy Birthday!! Sephora is my drug as such I have a love/hate relationship with it.
YUUUP. It's a struggle as I really love some of the brands they carry, but my goodness they frustrate me at times.
Geez, just one more thing to worry about! Thanks for such an informative video. Happy Birthday 🎈🎁🎊🎉🎂
This is so disheartening! I used the original Herbivore Bakuchiol and planned to repurchase, but after it disappeared, I said oh well, and now I am glad I wasn't anxiously awaiting a re-release. I never tried the Beet Shield, but I considered it. I might have purchased it if it were in stock at the time... I feel like I dodged a bullet back then. Definitely will make me second guess future purchases.
Yup, I considered buying from them through Stylevana, but they jacked up the prices SO much that I talked myself out of it. All's well that ends well, I suppose 😳
RETURN the foundation!!!!! Nice work again.
I am bummed about the bakuchiol. I really like the serum itself, but for the price I can get a cheaper tremella mushroom product somewhere else lol. I asked about a possible refund but have not heard back. (*Also happy birthday!)
Via sephora or herbivore? I'm curious as well
@@AliceintheRabbitHole I had bought through Herbivore... they actually refunded me earlier today without any questions or wanting the product back.
Wow. What a hot mess. Liars. You know there are so many more. When you see one cockroach there are 500 more hiding. I don't even know what to say. Luv ya ❌⭕❌
Agreed. It's not a good look for the skincare world right now 🙁
I enjoy the 'behind the scenes' videos from you!
I honestly have always assumed spf is about 60% of what is listed on the package just based on the long history of improper testing. I kinda wish Krave had kept the product up because it's literally the only sunscreen that had worked for me. I have a bad reaction to mineral sunscreens and most chemical filters make my eyes water until I've literally cried all of it off my skin. I honestly don't know what to get now...
Smart of you to view it that way tbh - it really is a very long track record of shortcomings. 🙁
Ugh that sounds so frustrating. Hope you can find a good substitute!
There is no way you could have know..❌⭕❌
Happy Belated birthday 🎂🥳🎉🎈🎁❌⭕❌
Thank you! 💕
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HEY ALICE,
HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU THO!
This video was not problematic at all we need to stay in the loop and know!
Thank you! ☺️
Before I even get into the video good I have to say that you know that Bakuchiol is my favorite thing. I love you even more now that I know you are an Aries. I too am an Aries and my son is one as well.
Team ♈️! Do you feel you live up to the traits? I often don't think I do...until something makes me upset. Then yes, I'm an Aries 😆
The silver lining is that the lab also tested several other brands’ bakuchiol products and found they were within the recommended range of 0.5-2% bakuchiol.
@@AliceintheRabbitHole I definitely think I live up to the traits and especially when someone makes me mad. I was born at the end of March so maybe I am that TRUE Aries.
Happy birthday!! ♈
♈️ you know it 😆
Hey I don't know about this situation and just started the video but,,, where did you get your shirt 😅 I need it
(All my clothes are old LOL!) it's from UNIF...probably a collection from 5-6 years ago?? 🙈
Happy birthday!!!
i totally remember you trying that foundation and saying this ain't for dry skin ahhhh and i stayed away just based on your reaction. that's hilarious. love the liquid blushes tho. i was already not wanting it based on so many people not figuring out their shade but you were the final nail.
The blushes are fantastic! I'm glad I grabbed those mini sets around the holidays - normally I don't feel I need multiples of shades, but I actually love all the liquid blushes that I have
Wow HAPPY BDAY!!
Happy birthday!!
HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!!
Hallo! I recently subscribed to your channel. Thank you for sharing your competence, honesty and passion for skin. Besides, I find your voice tone very soothing and endearing. Congrats and keep up the good work. Kiss. Luca (Italian living in Paris)
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Ugh so disappointed! Especially about herbivore which I just recently got into....also I was waiting patiently for you to review their new cloud jelly serum :( Oh well. Do you have a dupe for their Phoenix oil? I have a brand new bottle I need to use up but am open to try something new afterwards if anyone knows of something similar
Good Molecules Ultra Hydrating oil! It's a bit simpler in ingredients but shares the sea Buckthorn (which is truly a wonderful oil).
Happy happy birthday, beautiful! 🎂
Happy Birthday Alice!
Thank you for covering this. I am really disappointed in this. I had just discovered Banobagi sunscreen, which I loved, when that scandal hit. Of course it’s gone now so I can only assume it was not an accurately reported SPF. And now Herbivore...who apparently isn’t going to address the issue at all! THAT is pissing me off as much if not more than the deception. I did like the product; never tried the original so not sure how it compares, but I’ll never purchase from Herbivore again. Really shady. I won’t try anything from Krave either. Her apology video was off and now the church thing?! Nasty. Anyway, thank you for the info and I hope your birthday was lovely:)
Happy Birthday! Unfortunate that people can't just worry about growing in virtue, helping those less fortunate and let G-d do the judging. Wouldn't that be easier for everyone? Thanks for all your research.
Happy birthday Alice 💕 I respect you for this vid, many creators are still quiet and honestly, my opinion of course but it annoys me. as consumers I think it's so important we have this information. People are tired of misleading and inaccurate marketing, cover ups, fake reviews and the lot of it. I prefer transparency and truth so I can make an informed decision about who gets my £££.
Sending love x
Can you explain what the “way back machine” is? I’m confused!
Google Rocky and Bullwinkle show. Professor peabody and sherman cartoon. Lol
It's an archive of the internet! They take "snapshots" of websites and store them. Tbh it's actually quite fun: you can use it to see the old school Sephora for example
...or you can find out what has been deleted, as I did in this video 🙈
@@AliceintheRabbitHole lol I was making a joke about how they named it after the prof. and sherman. Very cheeky of them! Edit: I, falsely, assumed they were wondering about the name. I'm such a dork.
@@lanaj1107 I appreciate you giving the source of the name. I knew it was from some cartoon from my childhood, but I couldn’t remember which one. Also I liked to sleep in on Saturday mornings and I missed a lot.
Happy Birthday to you, Alice!!!! You are amazing! I know this wasn’t the video you wanted to make on your birthday but we so need it. I share your anger about Sephora. The consumer is way to smart to be taken anymore. Sending you hugs for your birthday💛
Happy birthday!! And I do feel bad for Krave, the mistake was truly unintentional and I will keep supporting them. ❤️
Oh Happy Birthday. I am new to your channel. So much drama is going on.
Wow, amazing about the mislabeling issue, not just SPF, but also ingredients with some brands. OMG, wondering how honest US brands are too. Looking forward to hearing more.
Indeed. It's such a disappointing situation all the way around 😭
Large retail sites generally aggregate their product data directly from the vendor, my guess is that those changes on the Sephora site were done by the companies and not by Sephora themselves.
Oh interesting, thanks for sharing!
@@AliceintheRabbitHole I mean, it's possible that Sephora is updating manually, but I *highly* doubt it. I work in retail website management and it would cost so much in staff time. An aggregate company like Sephora (where they sell products from multiple vendors) will definitely be using vendor data for their product listings.
For example, most indie bookstores in the US (the field I've worked in) all aggregate their data from a major distributor, who receives their data from the publishers. That publisher data is also provided for any major online retail site (amazon, target, barnes & noble, etc). There are some stores who input data manually, but it's rare and fairly cost-intensive in staff time.
Happy Birthday Alice!
I know this video is hard to make but I appreciate that you did. 💗
Wow all the drama is crazy did u see herbivore released a new serum the cloud one I wonder how that will do sense all this. Also did you see lord Jones came out with a mini set of the oil and mantel cream it's kinda high regular price at 47$ for 2 products at .25 weight. I have some Krave products I dont love like other people do but that's Truely sad that leah would be a part of a church like that I think we should have come past all that it's not 1950 anymore.
Yep I actually got it in PR! And tbh, unless this word gets out more - I think they will do just fine. Apparently this news actually broke months ago, but none of us picked it up until the last week or so. Very shocking stuff!
Happy birthday and thank you for posting this video as we need to be informed
Happy Birthday Alice!!!! Thank you for all you do.
Happy Birthday, Alice! Thank you for posting this.
Happy Birthday
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Wishing you a belated happy birthday, Alice!!! ❤️❤️❤️ Great video!!!
Aw thank you!
Happy birthday!! 🎂🎉
Thank you ☺️
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Hope you had a very happy birthday!🥂🌺🌷
This is an eye opener video,thanks Alice!!