Result Remaining time : 1.Yinlin : 03.54 2.Yuanwu comps : 03.37 3.Mortefi : 03.35 Reminder this With TOA buff. Without it, This difference might be Really important. Also that Yinlin with Her Weapon Stringmaster and Mortefi with also Standard weapon
Not only that, but Yinlin and her weapon are level 80 with full +25 echos (though on the thundering set), while Mortefi is 60 with a level 50 standard weapon and level 1 echos, so they're likely much closer to each other when using similar gear.
Also Yuanwu sets up coordinated attacks quicker than Yinlin. With Yuanwu you just hit your skill and swap out. With Yinlin you need to tag enemies, skill twice and then heavy attack, animation cancel, etc. Both are effective and one does substantially more damage but for the stacking utility, Yuanwu is excellent
Yuanwu vs Mortefi stack generation for this video: 41 ui pips = full bar for dragon laser Yuanwu 130 pips over 4 lasers - 32.5 pip adv Mortefi 119 pips over 5 lasers - 23.8 pip adv Yuanwu team generated 36% more pips per lasers vs Mortefi team.
@@Gee.U You can still hear the sound of the attack during skill animation. Also if you dash right after pressing B4 button you can also notice that the animation is partially cancelled but it still hits
You can probably quickswap Yinlin in during floaty state just to do her skill, so that she gets her full forte on every rotation. Not sure tho and I have no Verina to test some changes in the rotation.
It depends on the character. In most cases, double ELE% will perform better, but for example Jinhsi with her signature weapon likes ATK% main stat more - on our site we have posted the calculations for this.
Jinhsi is perfect for quick swap, not to mention her kit can be used for quick swap with her unison buff, the problem with Yuanwu though is.. the enemy needs to stay in the circle which gives me bennet vibes, so yeah I mean Yuanwu is still good for ToA
she can swap out when in incarnation state (floaty mode), whatever basic attack she was up to when swapped out, once swapped back in she will continue from that chain till you can do the laser beam at the end
Who do you recommend for Jinhsi more? Mortefi C4 or Yuanwu C2? Unfortunately I don't have higher resonance chains for them. I have Jihnsi with her signature and Verina with her best weapon too. I also have Mortefi's best weapon and I have Amity Accord R4 for Yuanwu.
Has anyone tried Jinhsi - Jianxin - Mortefi? Using Mortefi to build stacks while buffing sub dps Jianxin which she could be on healer set, the aero damage set, or just another moonlit set. In my head it works but I can also see where it would be too slow on rotations. Somebody let me know if I'm crazy, I don't have Jianxin to test it out.
@@FelipeSantos-wu1uf Mortefi by himself gives Jinhsi 40% - 70% stacks depending on how much his liberation hits. Jinhsi does a poor job of proc'ing all of Mortefi's liberation hits to get 100% stacks out of it, Mortefi's outro buff also does nothing for Jinhsi. This is where Jianxin can act as a bridge between them, getting 100% possible stack generation from Mortefi's liberation, using his buffs to the fullest, and providing buffs/utility that actually matters to Jinhsi (A shield with healing if it last that long, grouping although Jinhsi has huge AOE sometimes it misses a couple of mobs, and liberation DMG bonus) while still providing all the buffs of moonlit set that Mortefi would have given Jinhsi. In my head it's should also be easier since you don't have to do extremely specific rotations or quick swaps so it would be easier to play the team closer to max potential. Plus one of Jianxin's main problems of concerto generation is fixed by funneling 1 - 2 Jinhsi intro/outro into Jianxin = not having to basic attack as often on Jianxin = faster Jianxin rotation. But this is all theoretical since I currently don't own Jianxin to test it out myself.
Ele% + Ele% all the time. UNLESS using her Sig, in which case: Ele% + Atk% = ATK% + ATK%, with Ele% + ATK% better by just 0.39% so just pick which has better subs. Followed by ELE % + ELE % which is 2.17% worse with double crit/ 4-4 even worse by another 2.86%
@@Accentors Yes Basically. It simply opens up using ATK% (and it's even better than ELE + ELE) makes it much easier to farm for her echoes. since you don't have to get Ele + Ele and can just use ATK%. Edit: Made it more concise.
Assuming I don't get good roll echoes, is it better to have a crit dmg echo using Jhinsi's signature, or use crit rate on the echo as well to get more consistent hits?
You didn't get to use Yuanwu's outro even once in this video. Isn't it better to switch Verina and Yuanwu echo set and equip Yuanwu with the Originite? Since you're always doing outro with Verina so you can get the moonlit buff.
@@ajpotatoooo idk how it became like that but, based on many wuwa CCs, their calcs pretty much shows that spectro + atk is better if you have jinshi sig. otherwise, spectro + spectro is the choice.
It seems like yuanwu is more suitable compare with yinlin? Since yinlin is having more stronger stats but will yuanwu overtake yinlin with the same stats?
they didn't upgraded her yet, Taoqi is like Qingque from hsr, need a lot of investment to really shines and is dependent on her sequences too, that is why she is too low on tier lists for now
@@naite_artNo. Its because she lacks coordinated attacks and cant reliably fill up her concerto gage to funnel the skill damage buff. She needs too much field time for that. And as you can see in the video, they don't even fully fill Jinshi's forte even with 2 coordinated attacks sources. Regardless of investment she won't be optimal
Cause in this video yuanwu arent build for damage. He can do more damage if are in the same level of yinlin and mortefi, also with weapon (def) and echoes for damage. I think he can do a better time
Both are OK. Mortefi is probably better especially if you have him built and will scale better since unlike Yunwu he does some damage, but Yunwu can be a good replacement if you use Mortefi in another team
@@Jugement I disagree. Morteri better runs with Jiyan since he does not buff anything to Jinhsi and having him in a team u have to utilise his outro whereas Yuan Wu doesnt even need to. Just do his E and swap. And charges her forte faster and is not reliant on Resonance Liberation like Mortefi.
@@thanhtruong9909 Lmao. But he does ? Moonlit Clouds, Heron, S6, and eventually 5* gun can all buff attack by a noticable amount for 6s field time, with respectable DPS still. The question wasn't who Mortefi supports best, but who is the better sub DPS for Jinshi out of both. And as I said, tho Yuanwu is better if both are uninvested, Mortefi is better if invested.
The resources are kinda scarce in this game so support characters usually go with minimum build like this, eventough it would be better if u could build them with decent sub dps stats for extra dmg.
Result Remaining time :
1.Yinlin : 03.54
2.Yuanwu comps : 03.37
3.Mortefi : 03.35
Reminder this With TOA buff. Without it, This difference might be Really important. Also that Yinlin with Her Weapon Stringmaster and Mortefi with also Standard weapon
Who benefits the more from the TOA buff between the 3?
Yinlin@@Shuraig7
@@Shuraig7Jinhsi, you can paused on First second on this video. Its strong one 30% Spectro bonus and Additional stacking for Her skill
@@forcodingg1287 got it ty
Not only that, but Yinlin and her weapon are level 80 with full +25 echos (though on the thundering set), while Mortefi is 60 with a level 50 standard weapon and level 1 echos, so they're likely much closer to each other when using similar gear.
Seems the biggest benefit of yuanwu in jhinsi teams is that it frees up yinlin for calcharo or other main dps in other towers
thats what i thought too. people keep comparing her on team and not thinking about it lets you make another good team
Meanwhile i'm using spectro rover 😂
@@ChoCho-db4zoYep, fights are dates for them
Also Yuanwu sets up coordinated attacks quicker than Yinlin. With Yuanwu you just hit your skill and swap out. With Yinlin you need to tag enemies, skill twice and then heavy attack, animation cancel, etc. Both are effective and one does substantially more damage but for the stacking utility, Yuanwu is excellent
Yuanwu vs Mortefi stack generation for this video:
41 ui pips = full bar for dragon laser
Yuanwu 130 pips over 4 lasers - 32.5 pip adv
Mortefi 119 pips over 5 lasers - 23.8 pip adv
Yuanwu team generated 36% more pips per lasers vs Mortefi team.
excuse me, but
what is pip ?
@@DuongDuongDuo he meant Incandescence stacks (Jinhsi's forte bar)
@@coreyhaque how does that turn into pip lmao
@@fiha4186 because each stacks look like a pip, ig?
We'll never know, Pip went to 14
Small tip, you don’t have to wait for the 4th incarnation basic to land before using skill, the attack will still perform
This is what I'm wondering myself, but how do I verify this? its hard to see the 4th BA numbers during her E4.
@@Gee.U You can still hear the sound of the attack during skill animation. Also if you dash right after pressing B4 button you can also notice that the animation is partially cancelled but it still hits
Thank you! I was always thinking if I should wait to avoid canceling damage. Now I know the answer!
Man it's like watching a training video on how to play Jinhse. So useful!
the thing about yuan wu is that it has to be in the circle or everything is messed up
You can probably quickswap Yinlin in during floaty state just to do her skill, so that she gets her full forte on every rotation. Not sure tho and I have no Verina to test some changes in the rotation.
Thank you for this ! Im using yuawu ! Kinda like him and since i dont have yinlin or mortefi xD
Same lmao my jiyan really want that mortefi 🤣
is it more optimal for most echos to have 2 elemental dmg bonus or 1 elemental dmg and 1 attack%?
It depends on the character. In most cases, double ELE% will perform better, but for example Jinhsi with her signature weapon likes ATK% main stat more - on our site we have posted the calculations for this.
@@PrydwenGG 2 atk or 1/1?
@@FelipeSantos-wu1ufalmost equal
2 ATK / ATK + ELE >> ELE + ELE
That's my cue to build Yuanwu with these 5 Amity Accords.
Also, is it possible for Jinhsi to swap out, kind of like quick swap with her skills?
She needs like 5-10 second to do her rotation
Jinhsi is perfect for quick swap, not to mention her kit can be used for quick swap with her unison buff, the problem with Yuanwu though is.. the enemy needs to stay in the circle which gives me bennet vibes, so yeah I mean Yuanwu is still good for ToA
she can swap out when in incarnation state (floaty mode), whatever basic attack she was up to when swapped out, once swapped back in she will continue from that chain till you can do the laser beam at the end
You can get bigger ring on lvl 70 talent of yuanwu but yeah you have to force the enemy to stay in the ring @@lukeaquino7141
Who do you recommend for Jinhsi more? Mortefi C4 or Yuanwu C2? Unfortunately I don't have higher resonance chains for them.
I have Jihnsi with her signature and Verina with her best weapon too. I also have Mortefi's best weapon and I have Amity Accord R4 for Yuanwu.
Has anyone tried Jinhsi - Jianxin - Mortefi? Using Mortefi to build stacks while buffing sub dps Jianxin which she could be on healer set, the aero damage set, or just another moonlit set. In my head it works but I can also see where it would be too slow on rotations. Somebody let me know if I'm crazy, I don't have Jianxin to test it out.
use baizhi or verina istead of jianxin , they take less field time and they provide better buffs and they have coordinated attacks
Why Jianxin?
@@FelipeSantos-wu1uf Mortefi by himself gives Jinhsi 40% - 70% stacks depending on how much his liberation hits. Jinhsi does a poor job of proc'ing all of Mortefi's liberation hits to get 100% stacks out of it, Mortefi's outro buff also does nothing for Jinhsi. This is where Jianxin can act as a bridge between them, getting 100% possible stack generation from Mortefi's liberation, using his buffs to the fullest, and providing buffs/utility that actually matters to Jinhsi (A shield with healing if it last that long, grouping although Jinhsi has huge AOE sometimes it misses a couple of mobs, and liberation DMG bonus) while still providing all the buffs of moonlit set that Mortefi would have given Jinhsi.
In my head it's should also be easier since you don't have to do extremely specific rotations or quick swaps so it would be easier to play the team closer to max potential. Plus one of Jianxin's main problems of concerto generation is fixed by funneling 1 - 2 Jinhsi intro/outro into Jianxin = not having to basic attack as often on Jianxin = faster Jianxin rotation. But this is all theoretical since I currently don't own Jianxin to test it out myself.
Which one is better if i use jiyan's weapon? ELE% + ELE% or ELE% + ATK% ?
2x ELE
Ele% + Ele% all the time.
UNLESS using her Sig, in which case:
Ele% + Atk% = ATK% + ATK%,
with Ele% + ATK% better by just 0.39% so just pick which has better subs.
Followed by ELE % + ELE % which is 2.17% worse
with double crit/ 4-4 even worse by another 2.86%
@@HanzorRaphael so if using her sigiture weapon, we can use Ele + atk instead of ele+ele
@@Accentors Yes Basically.
It simply opens up using ATK% (and it's even better than ELE + ELE)
makes it much easier to farm for her echoes. since you don't have to get Ele + Ele and can just use ATK%.
Edit: Made it more concise.
They're still so close you're better off with the better substat.
How about having yinlin and yuanwu together? Yuanwu taking the 3 star heal weapon and take healer set, while yinlin taking dmg buff set?
That doesn't work, both are electro.
both electro coords wont work. jinhsi likes a rainbow team
Mortefi S6 with Yinlin is better with 7 stacks per second
Forte have cd for element
@@sinsei2165 i don't understand this skill -.-
can u explain more
For more dmg of team and skill player: use Yinlin or Mortefi
For survivability and skill issue: use Yuanwu
For dmg per screenshot: use Taoqi
Right ?
Yes and also Yuanwu is literally free, so for him: it's her f2p teammate.
Assuming I don't get good roll echoes, is it better to have a crit dmg echo using Jhinsi's signature, or use crit rate on the echo as well to get more consistent hits?
Yeah just go for cd, since upgrading her skills will also give you 8 cr
You didn't get to use Yuanwu's outro even once in this video. Isn't it better to switch Verina and Yuanwu echo set and equip Yuanwu with the Originite? Since you're always doing outro with Verina so you can get the moonlit buff.
I'm also think about these. They didnt execute jinshi+yuanwu team really well
He deals no damage. He's there to build stacks for Jinshi. Staying on field too long is bad. You can literally run him level 1
This seems like a good idea, I'll definitely give it a shot
Is atk+spectro on 3 cost echo better than spectro x2 in Jinhsi?
atk+spectro is better if you have Jinhsi weapon, otherwise x2 spectro is better
@@Saiunames thanks
@Saiunames how come its more good ?
@@ajpotatoooo idk how it became like that but, based on many wuwa CCs, their calcs pretty much shows that spectro + atk is better if you have jinshi sig. otherwise, spectro + spectro is the choice.
@melancholyzeroeight8804 ow really ill try it out once i got good attack echo
my mortefi is for Jiyan team, so Jinhsi using Yuanwu
It seems like yuanwu is more suitable compare with yinlin? Since yinlin is having more stronger stats but will yuanwu overtake yinlin with the same stats?
You dont wanna use him just skill and leave
YuanWu does 0 dmg
He is only there for stacks
in this build is yuanwu with moonlit better than healing echo set?
No because you’re not using his outtro
Mortefi with low level echoe and lv 1 skill
So based :(
It’s supposed to be about how fast they can fill up jinhsis stacks they don’t need to be levelled up and have the best echoes
*tips fedora*
Aight, time to build Yuanwu, good thing he's currently at S5
Cost 3 att will better than cost 3 spectro dmg ?
if you have better substats on cost 3 atk - definitely.
@@SuperAntelk ty
its better ONLY if you have her sig, otherwise do dmg% + dmg%
switch Jinhsi outro is better, the stacks became 1s instead of 3s.
No Taoqi?
Concerto too slow and no coop attack
they didn't upgraded her yet, Taoqi is like Qingque from hsr, need a lot of investment to really shines and is dependent on her sequences too, that is why she is too low on tier lists for now
@@naite_artNo. Its because she lacks coordinated attacks and cant reliably fill up her concerto gage to funnel the skill damage buff. She needs too much field time for that. And as you can see in the video, they don't even fully fill Jinshi's forte even with 2 coordinated attacks sources. Regardless of investment she won't be optimal
Taoqi is purely for nuke 1shot dmg per screenshot setup that doesnt have any practical value in ToA sadly
@@Jugement yep, i agree, Jinhsi just benefits too much from coord attacks
Great vid, thanks
Yuanwu is my favorite team
Now try Yuanwu Yinlin Jinhsi
Yuan wu with bell
You dont need a healer if you dont take damage
Won't work. Both Yuanwu and Yinlin are electro and conflicts with internal cooldown of the same element
@@carlosabelhernandez5740Yinlin with Mortefi
@@Vizible21 more like Yuanwu with Mortefi so u can run heal and moonlit set
you should have swaped verina/yuanwu sets
Yuanwu lvl 70 builded skill dmg its like fischl?
Cause in this video yuanwu arent build for damage. He can do more damage if are in the same level of yinlin and mortefi, also with weapon (def) and echoes for damage. I think he can do a better time
Which one is good, electro daddy or mortefi?
Both are OK. Mortefi is probably better especially if you have him built and will scale better since unlike Yunwu he does some damage, but Yunwu can be a good replacement if you use Mortefi in another team
@@Jugement I disagree. Morteri better runs with Jiyan since he does not buff anything to Jinhsi and having him in a team u have to utilise his outro whereas Yuan Wu doesnt even need to. Just do his E and swap. And charges her forte faster and is not reliant on Resonance Liberation like Mortefi.
@@thanhtruong9909 Lmao. But he does ? Moonlit Clouds, Heron, S6, and eventually 5* gun can all buff attack by a noticable amount for 6s field time, with respectable DPS still.
The question wasn't who Mortefi supports best, but who is the better sub DPS for Jinshi out of both. And as I said, tho Yuanwu is better if both are uninvested, Mortefi is better if invested.
@@thanhtruong9909 did you know know that jinhsi normal attacks are changed to heavy attacks in her rotation?
Isnt her damage 75% skill and 15% lib?
What kind of test is this when option 2 and 3 are literally using Purple and unleveled echoes, also with lv1 talents
See the result, mortefi and yuan wu is so much faster for stacking and kill the boss,
@@ikomangyoga6401 But it doesn't show the full potential of the teamcomp, only how fast jinhsi is stacking, which is only a part of teambuilding
Sounds like someone should strip down yinlin to make it fair 😏
@@Raygetto ok chill out😭
The resources are kinda scarce in this game so support characters usually go with minimum build like this, eventough it would be better if u could build them with decent sub dps stats for extra dmg.
Where is the 1000 aero dmg come from?
Tower buff
Yuanwu gg❤
Nice video weeb!
what a comparison is this
cringe af
annen
And cringe