What People Get Wrong about Slavery in Ancient Egypt
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- Опубліковано 14 чер 2023
- In this interview, Dr. David Falk lays out several lines of archaeological evidence that support a real Exodus event as recorded in the Bible.
Dr. David A. Falk holds three master's degrees and a Ph.D. in Egyptology from the University of Liverpool, and is a research associate at the Vancouver School of Theology. He studies ancient Egypt and the Bible, and in 2020 published the book "The Ark of the Covenant in its Egyptian Context: An Illustrated Journey."
Dr. Falk's website: www.egyptandthebible.com/
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Fascinating area. I respect his expertise in an area few really know well.
Cameron why do you keep hyping up your shroud of Turin videos saying big things coming soon without releasing anything? I’ve really been looking forward to this. Can you please provide an update?
The Catholic Church is very very careful about the information they release about the cloth and who they let analyze the cloth. They've made errors in the past and let skeptics look at it and analyze it. The skeptics come back with results that doubt it being what many Catholics claim it to be.
I'm also pretty sure the Catholic church doesn't recognize the cloth or deny it.
Sounds like a variation of "Jesus is coming soon" :)
@@malirk Well it isn't. All the information is available and the skeptics still come to conclusions that it was authentic.
@@tomwimmenhove4652 Sounds like some variation of "If God real why bad thing happen!? 🤡"
@@Tzimiskes3506
1) I'm a skeptic and I have concluded it's just a cloth used to drum up attention.
2) Look no later than a Sept. 22, 1988 news article:
*Rev. Robert Dinegar. Dr. Dinegar, an Episcopal priest who is also a professor of chemistry at the University of New Mexico at Los Alamos, was one of the main organizers of the recent scientific effort to determine the shroud's authenticity... scientists at Oxford University had determined that the linen shroud was about 1,300 years too new to have been used to wrap the body of Jesus.*
Cameron plz do a response to Professor Dave’s new video
That would now be a response to a response to a debate.
I guess Dave could then do a response to a response to a response to the debate.
It'd be way more interesting if Professor Dave and Cameron met on a livestream.
Part 1: Cam's channel where he asks Professor Dave questions
Part 2: On Professor Dave's channel where he asks Cam questions.
🤺☦🇷🇺What? LOL Dr. Falk is a Protestant pagan disguised as a Christian, who constantly embarrass us Christians, telling everyone that the timing and dates in the Bible are only symbolic, inventing funny and pathetic theories, just so it would fit his narrative about historical events
,which only a person with who's completely braindead would say, and heretically claims that the whole Bible is basically an allegory🤦♂️ He makes Ken Ham (another Protestant clown) sound smart!😅
Link to the full video?
how slavery 'normally happened' in ancient Egypt in no way precludes non-standard occurrences. That is just common sense.
According to the Bible Egyptians had Jewish slaves. Am i right? Idk someone told me that or a movie maybe
The ancient Egyptians Never Had Slaves
Exodus 12 makes a clear distinction/separation between the six hundred thousand Israelite men, and the multitude that also went with them.
We are talking about upwards of 1.5 million people leaving Egypt at once. Half of the total population. I personally am going to need a little more evidence to believe it. My main objection was never “Egypt wouldn’t have
The problem is that the ancient Hebrew word for "thousands" has multiple meanings. One meaning is something akin to "battalions," though I can't remember the exact word. We have translated it 600 thousand but it might have been something like 600 battalions.
The point is that there are multiple possibilities. Most scholars agree that 600,000 men is not likely accurate. What seems odd is that it would even be suggested to be that high since most armies of the day were only 20,000 men. These were big armies. So even when it was written it would have seemed odd if its translation is 600,000.
Another thing is that the Hebrews could have inflated the numbers for their own purposes. Just like all the stories of Egypt and surrounding nations, this wouldn't mean that the story wasn't true. It would just mean that they inflated the numbers.
There was a Roman battle against the Greeks I believe. The victor wrote that he fought a million men. This is as impossible as 1.5 million Hebrews leaving Egypt. Why did he choose to write that number when it was so obviously inflated?
It could be that 600,000 was an idiom like our idiom for 1 million since its a base 60 number which was the numerical system at the time in Egypt.
Scholars like Kenneth Kitchen, James Karl Hoffmeier, Richard Hess have noted that it's actually not millions of people
Amenhotep II captured ~100,000 slaves in a single raid, if his own accounts are to be believed. There is always a massive discrepancy between modern estimates and ancient reports when numbers are concerned. I tend to believe the people who were actually there, rather than some calculations based on unprovable assumptions. The population of Egypt was likely in the tens of millions.
@@JM-jj3eg There is a problem with this theory. The ancients often exaggerated their numbers for effect. In Italy we have an account of a general defending off a million soldiers in a single battle. This is historically impossible. When Thutmose III went on campaign in the Levant his army was only 20,000. That was an average size of armies in those days. An army of 20,000 couldn't likely control 100,000 slaves and they wouldn't have had the man power to send them back in piecemeal to Egypt. The number, in my opinion, is likely an exaggeration. Do you know of any evidence that would suggest he actually did capture that many?
@@blusheep2 I see no reason why we should believe Thutmose's numbers for his army for the but reject Amenhotep's numbers. Both are from near-contemporaneous accounts, both are down-to-earth, mundane reports without poetry or flowery language. Sure, there is the possibility of exaggeration but it's not possible that every single person who ever lived in ancient history lied - you yourself think that Thutmose's numbers are accurate after all. And exaggerations can go both ways, up and down. It may make sense to reduce your numbers in order to make yourself seem more awesome for defeating a larger army with such few soldiers!
Indeed the Bible doesn't boast about Israel's numbers, although it does highlight the rapid expansion from a family of 70 to ~600,000 but in comparison to the populations of other nations, the Bible clearly says:
Deuteronomy 7:7 The Lord did not set His love on you nor choose you because you were more in number than any other people, for you were the least of all peoples;
That's how I infer that Egypt's population was likely in the tens of millions.
I'd love to see a conversation between Dr. David Falk and Dr. Josh Bowen. Egypt had slavery and the rest of the ANE had slavery. It's time to acknowledge the Israelites had slaves (Fellow Israelites, bought foreigners, slaves of war).
It's happened. Dr. Falk annihilated josh Bowen to the tune of the video getting taken down
@@vedinthorn I think you’re referring to his debate/dialogue with Titus Kennedy, not Bowen.
Bri… what was the prevalence, and ultimately… what does that show or prove?
@@addisonwier7438 maybe? I'd have to check.
@@addisonwier7438 you are correct. There was a debate between Dr. Falk and Dr. Bowen as well, but I did get them confused.
Evidence some Hebrews were slaves in Egypt. Not global. The problem the apologists, as I say repeatedly in my own vids, is they ignore the fact that many Hebrew stories are modified stories from other cultures. No one could logically argue that the flood story came from the ancient Sumerians for example. So when they "prove" a historical "fact" or relic that they claim gives legitimacy to the Old Testament they really aren't. Or they find a piece of evidence for events in history and make this grand leap that it proves the entire bible story. Like when a piece of evidence showed Hebrew slaves. I'm sure there were some Hebrew slaves. But there is nothing to show global slavery nor exodus of what would have been several million people. That is a fallacy and the type of fallacy the apologists use in most of their arguments. Cheers, DCF
*The Enuma Elish would later be the inspiration for the Hebrew scribes who created the text now known as the biblical Book of Genesis.* Prior to the 19th century CE, the Bible was considered the oldest book in the world and its narratives were thought to be completely original. In the mid-19th century CE, however, European museums, as well as academic and religious institutions, sponsored excavations in Mesopotamia to find physical evidence for historical corroboration of the stories in the Bible. ***These excavations found quite the opposite, however, in that, once cuneiform was translated, it was understood that a number of biblical narratives were Mesopotamian in origin.***
*Famous stories such as the Fall of Man and the Great Flood were originally conceived and written down in Sumer,* translated and modified later in Babylon, and reworked by the Assyrians ***before they were used by the Hebrew scribes for the versions which appear in the Bible.***
***In revising the Mesopotamian creation story for their own ends, the Hebrew scribes tightened the narrative and the focus but retained the concept of the all-powerful deity who brings order from chaos.*** Marduk, in the Enuma Elish, establishes the recognizable order of the world - *just as God does in the Genesis tale* - and human beings are expected to recognize this great gift and honor the deity through service.
*"Enuma Elish - The Babylonian Epic of Creation - Full Text - World History Encyclopedia"*
*"Sumerian Is the World's Oldest Written Language | ProLingo"*
*"Sumerian Civilization: Inventing the Future - World History Encyclopedia"*
*"The Myth of Adapa - World History Encyclopedia"*
Also discussed by Professor Christine Hayes at Yale University in her 1st lecture of the series on the Hebrew Bible from 8:50 to 14:30 minutes, lecture 3 from 28:30 to 41:35 minutes, lecture 4 from 0:00 up to 21:30 minutes and 24:00 up to 35:30 minutes and lecture 7 from 24:20 to 25:10 minutes.
From a Biblical scholar:
"Many stories in the ancient world have their origins in other stories and were borrowed and modified from other or earlier peoples. *For instance, many of the stories now preserved in the Bible are* ***modified*** *versions of stories that existed in the cultures and traditions of Israel’s* ***older*** *contemporaries.* Stories about the creation of the universe, a cataclysmic universal flood, digging wells as land markers, the naming of important cultic sites, gods giving laws to their people, and even stories about gods decreeing the possession of land to their people were all part of the cultural and literary matrix of the ancient Near East. *Biblical scribes freely* ***adopted and modified*** *these stories as a means to express their own identity, origins, and customs."*
*"Stories from the Bible"* by Dr Steven DiMattei, from his website *"Biblical Contradictions"*
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*"Yahweh was just an ancient Canaanite god. We have been deceived! - Escaping Christian Fundamentalism"*
*"Debunking the Devil - Michael A. Sherlock (Author)"*
*"The Greatest Trick Religion Ever Pulled: Convincing Us That Satan Exists | Atheomedy"*
*"Zoroastrianism And Persian Mythology: The Foundation Of Belief"*
(Scroll to the last section: Zoroastrianism is the Foundation of Western Belief)
*"10 Ways The Bible Was Influenced By Other Religions - Listverse"*
*"January | 2014 | Atheomedy"* - Where the Hell Did the Idea of Hell Come From?
*"Retired bishop explains the reason why the Church invented "Hell" - Ideapod"*
Watch *"The Origins of Salvation, Judgement and Hell"* by Derreck Bennett at Atheologica
(Sensitive theists should only watch from 7:00 to 17:30 minutes as evangelical Christians are lambasted. He's a former theist and has been studying the scholarship and comparative religions for over 15 years)
*"Top Ten Reasons Noah’s Flood is Mythology - The Sensuous Curmudgeon"*
*"Forget about Noah's Ark; There Was No Worldwide Flood | Bible Interp"*
*"The Search for Noah’s Flood - Biblical Archaeology Society"*
*"Eridu Genesis - World History Encyclopedia"*
Watch *"How Aron Ra Debunks Noah's Flood"*
(8 part series debunking Noah's flood using multiple branches of science)
*"The Adam and Eve myth - News24"*
*"Before Adam and Eve - Psychology Today"*
*"Gilgamesh vs. Noah - Wordpress"*
*"Parallelism between “The Hymn to Aten” and Psalm 104 - Project Augustine"*
*"Studying the Bible"* - by Dr Steven DiMattei
(This particular article from a critical Biblical scholar highlights how the authors of the Hebrew Bible used their *fictional* god as a mouthpiece for their own views and ideologies)
*"How do we know that the biblical writers were* ***not*** *writing history?"* -- by Dr Steven DiMattei
*"Contradictions in the Bible | Identified verse by verse and explained using the most up-to-date scholarly information about the Bible, its texts, and the men who wrote them"* -- by Dr. Steven DiMattei
This theory has been well refuted. Nice try. But… fail.
You sure do put a lot of effort into your evangelism and try to dress it up in scholarship. There’s always scholars with various opinions. Doesn’t mean it’s accurate … and several of your sources show tremendous bias right off the bat, such as the website called “biblical contradictions”. The whole topic of the Enuma Elish and how it is NOT the source of YHWH has been well discussed by many folks. Nice presentation but ultimately not worth the time you put into it.
Ah man you’ve definitely showed the Bible is made up myth from some authors who obviously aren’t biased. Slam dunk! 😂
@@brianfarley926 🤺☦🇷🇺Dr. Falk is a Protestant pagan disguised as a Christian, who constantly embarrass us Christians, telling everyone that the timing and dates in the Bible are only symbolic, inventing funny and pathetic theories, just so it would fit his narrative about historical events
,which only a person with who's completely braindead would say, and heretically claims that the whole Bible is basically an allegory🤦♂️ He makes Ken Ham (another Protestant clown) sound smart!😅
Owning another person is always wrong and real Christians know this, but God and St Paul approved of slavery and Jesus never condemned it.
When people or tribes fight the captured enemy was sold. God says freeing one is a good deed.
So the Muslims that had slaves were freeing them even buying their freedom….
The truth speaks volumes.
Read the holy Quran and find the facts and the truth.
Chuck out the bible, problem solved, how do I collect my prize?