What happens when Windows 10 goes end of life?
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- Just a smaller video on a question that's been in my head for the past week or so. What do y'all think will happen when Windows 10 goes EOL?
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I think you forgot an option: People just not updating and using an insecure OS because they don't understand or care. They were want Win10, they will use Win10.
yeah, a ton of people still use win7 cuz they just don't care
Microsoft will be releasing a paid subscription for W10 up to 3 years extended security updates. As of yet we don't know what pricing will be. The Enterprise Corporations prices were killer. Hopefully consumers will be substantially less.
Schools will probably be paying for extended support.
@@CyberClu Isn't it $61 for the first year, $122 for the second year, and $183 for the final year?
@@soundspark I believe those prices are for businesses. Not for regular consumers.
Too much Linux documentation is written by IT pros for IT pros. When searching online for solutions to issues, waaay too many results are badly outdated. I'm thinking of these things from the point of view of people that are lifelong Windows users that are new to Linux.
Evilcorp doesn't even see Windows users as human. They see Widows users as things to manipulate and generate profit from.
I generally agree that Linux documentation can be hard to understand or require something special.
On the other hand, EVERY time I tried searching how to fix the problem windows introduced to me everything I found were either not related to solving it or the answer was written in the manner "microsoft knows better what to do with your computer. Don't try to fix it, it's not a problem (for us at least therefore for you too)"
I see this completely different.
When looking for sollutions on windows, you HAVE to make sure the documentation is up to date.
While for linux, all I usually have to make sure it is for the same distro base (debian, rhel, arch, etc) and the documentation would most likely be correct.
I have also never in my life read better documentation online than the arch wiki...
@@marcusjohansson668 , True. Arch wiki is basically linux usage guide.
@@slava6105 The Gentoo wiki is great as well. Especially if you're using something other than SystemD.
@@Eddies_Bra-att-ha-grejer, thank you, will consider it when the time comes. For now arch wiki is enough (arch, systemd, nothing special other than nvidia).
Michaelsoft be doing a Binbows on main rn
THAT SAID, uh, I think Win11 is pushing the limits of people's patience, which I can only hope will push more Linux developers to making the experience more inviting and fill in all the gaps people have been complaining about. Unfortunately, that can only really happen if people are so *unreasonably stubborn* to be the change they want to see themselves, which AS YOU MIGHT GUESS ain't exactly very common.
"Instead of actually fixing the problem, I'm just going to complain louder so someone else will fix it for me!"
Sadly most people will keep using their Win 10 PCs as is without security patches.
Yep I sure will
Why sadly? My Windows 10 PC is mostly being used as a gaming / emulation rig / media server.
3:20 This always one of my biggest points against Linux: Why should you relearn something that you already know just to work on a system that does the same things but different.
If you like it or not, Windows was and is _good enough_ to not make people switch (and probably will be even after the latest updates to 11 for most people). So why should you go through all the hassle and switch to a Linux based OS if Windows does not work perfect, but still _good enough_
Personally speaking, I don't like being spied on and talked down to by a company who only cares about the data they can scrape off me and sell to the highest bidder.
But another big reason is that I like to encourage people to learn more about things that interest them.
Im not here to try to convince you that Linux is better or worse. I Just say what I feel and if you have similar thoughts or concerns, I want you to at least try something new and learn.
If Windows works for you, fine. I get that. Not everyone is as fascinated by this shit as I am. But maybe you could learn something new and gain a new appreciation for a device that we, quite frankly, take for granted in the modern age
@@PaV_Live I have switched to Linux a little bit over two years ago and I'm already past the starting pain. Depending on the task I prefer Linux over Windows now. The first few months after I switched from a (working) Windows system to Linux I asked myself why I have done such stupidity, as everything does the exact same thing but works different (so as you said: You spend a good amount of time learning stuff you already knew on a different OS). So if the end of Windows 10 really causes a spike in Linux users I expect there to be much more frustration especially with those Linux distros that are presented as being close to Windows (eg. distros with default KDE).
The other side of such a story: I have a co-worker that uses Windows and one day I saw him using the Edge browser. As a everything-but-definitely-not-Edge guy, I asked him why he uses this browser and not any other browser. He said that it is _good enough_ so he sees no reason to switch. This is exactly why I stayed on Windows for such a long time. Some things bothered me, but it just worked well enough to not make we want to switch.
Honestly; Linux Mint. It's user friendly, Cinnamon is Windows-esque, Debian based for long term stability, etc. One thing I have done a "little", but will do more of in the future is contributing to the Debian Wiki and writing Linux content on my personal Wordpress blog.
Meh, just gonna keep using 10. End of life didn't stop us using an old version before. I already tweaked my 10 installation to forcibly disable telemetry and other spooky shit in it.
You can do this on 11 too, some of these tools already work for 11. There are also bypasses for the TPM and other hardware restrictions, but it requires messing around a bit more than most users are willing to do.
Trying to game on linux was absolutely horrible for me. I can't switch to it.
As things stand right now, on Linux I can do about 95% of the things I do on Windows 10. Until this changes to 100% or until I'm forced to, I'm not going to "settle for less" by switching to Linux.
"What happens when Windows 10 goes end of life?" - Updates stop.
This year I have spent 4 different days trying out Ubuntu, Mint, Suse and Manjaro on my home PC. After the last time I "upgraded" to Windows 11 early in sheer frustration.
Honestly? I think more people will just learn how to pirate Windows 10/11 LTSC rather than use Linux. Since that comes without all the bloat, ads and MS account nonsense.
In fact, I'm pretty sure even the ones who are just completely burned out on Windows would just become an Apple user rather than give Linux a try.
Linux is just too big of a step right now, especially since its intermediary user experience is awful. Sure if you just wanna browse twitter or youtube, linux works fine. But the moment you need anything more advanced, like playing games or streaming or doing creative work, it all falls apart. The effort vs reward ratio is just... insane.
Sure I could spend a week figuring out what combination of terminal commands and libraries and manually compiled source code will make this software sort of work... OR I could just install Windows LTSC and entirely avoid software problems, while also avoiding the microsoft bloat/ad/account nonsense.
don't forget Windows 10 LTSC 2021 IoT will still get support until 2032
oh and btw Windows 11 LTSC IoT will not have any ads, no bloat or no AI in it
Neither is licensed for use on general purpose PCs.
@@soundspark whatever, and u wonder why people pirate LTSC IoT versions of Windows for general gaming and dedicated livestreaming setups. until AverMedia capture cards work properly on Linux and alot of anti cheat based games work on Linux, i'll continue to pirate keys for LTSC IoT builds of windows just to keep dat AI mess away from me
@@soundspark Ok? And? Why the fuck do I care? I am pirating their software for 20 years now. They can take their licenses, print them, roll them and shove them far into their arses.
@@blakedmc1989RaveHD fr fr
Switching to linux soon ngl
The day, i can put linux on my moms pc, it is over for windows.
Until that day, it is just wishfull thinking for me.
great vid!! yeah i wholeheartedly agree with you here, the state of windows is absolutely deplorable. while i dont see linux just having a massive boom or something like that, its definitely going to gain a bit more traction from users who normally would not care about it, something that ive already been seeing first hand with a couple of close friends asking for tips and generally being more curious about linux than they were before.
i think the number one resource we can all provide is to just be friendly and open minded!! i believe every linux user can be a great resource for people trying to learn, whether that comes in the form of chatting about it with friends or even getting involved in forums and whatnot, we should all generally try and be more vocal, something i absolutely commend you for doing with this channel, in fact!!
other than that i think the official documentations from specific distros are a great resource that many people fail to consider (i guess aside from the arch wiki). things like the fedora docs or the mint setup guide have tons of cool facts and details to learn about, often things that everyone should know and get to grips with!!
Human nature? How about Nvidia not releasing open source drivers? How about the ease of breaking a linux system as a beginner? How about all the proprietary HARDWARE around there that ONLY works on Windows? Docks, streaming, mastering, whatever equipment, DRIVERS LACK on linux. Heck, my Logitech mouse doesn't properly work on Linux. It's not *JUST human nature it's at the very least simple practicality as of right now. You seriously mention TPM being a major hindrance? Young people just enjoy their Windows 11 right now.
On my desktop pc I’m still on windows 10 cause of how bad 11 is, but honestly might just have to switch to linux soon
Although i would love to, its just not good enough.
@@Silentsouls Honestly from all I've seen and heard it's good enough to do everything you need, I've just been lazy to actually switch. What's holding you back?
@@RicardoHernandez-ii9lx My linux knowledge level, and the fact my mom cannot understand it.
I'm not exactly a Linux virgin although I wouldn't hesitate to admit that I'm not clued up on it at all. Recently I have been considering making the jump to using it as a daily driver however I'd like to look at installing some lightweight distros on old laptops first to give me a chance to gain a bit more familiarity before fully taking the plunge.
The one thing that's holding me back at the moment is that there seems to be so many distros out there that I don't know where to start. Is there a good discord server where I can get reccomendations or perhaps some sort of website where I can throw in the specs and what I'd like to use a system for and have it return a few reccomendations with a list of pros and cons for each?
For lightweight, I'd personally recommend EndeavourOS. Its based on Arch and is as close to barebones while still having both an easy to use installer and a healthy community thats ready to help you through whatever you need.
And since its arch, you get access to the AUR to let you play around with more stuff! Im recommending this one specifically because you said you weren't a newbie. But if you want something easier, maybe Linux Mint!
And the laptop route is what I suggest for getting your feet wet. I wish you luck!
@@PaV_Live Thanks for the advice mate. I was drawn to mint from what I've seen already but I've not been looking for very long at this point. Arch based distros seem a little intimidating at the moment although I'm not really sure why exactly, I guess it just comes across as not being all that beginner friendly.
That said I am fine with using command line interfaces and text based config files etc, I'm just not that familiar with Linux commands. Easy enough to look them up though.
I'm sure people will find out how to turn off all those AI things and background apps.
I still don't understand the supposed Ads Microsoft is putting on Windows 11 since they are doing the same bloody thing on Windows10 since like always? I don't get it. It's nothing new. Windows 11 is as bad as 10 (and the settings, the file explorer and other stuff is so much better on 11). I hate Edge and this whole Copilot thingy is annoying, and also the absurd TPM requirements. But people are again and again talking about some problems that doesn't actually exist, or has ever existed since 10
Very true! Ever since I made the switch, I cant even use W10 anymore without being annoyed lmao.
How is this not an anti-trust violation 😩🦅💀
Because when you have enough money, you can just buy laws that protect you and your bottom line.
That's how we do it in this "great" country :)
Yep Im an 'Unhappy @ Recall' person who is into music production and looking into Linux to replace Windows 11 and Ive been pointed towards 'AV Linux MX Edition' as an Music production optimised distro ..... Going to install on My laptop this week and have a play .... Wish me luck
Good luck! ❤
I’m in a pretty rare situation cause I use windows 11, macOS, and Linux every day
But I’ll still continue using windows 11 on my gaming PC
Because I use my MacBook Pro for everything that isn’t gaming or home servers
And I use Linux for all home servers, even my Time Machine backup server is Linux despite running backups for my Mac lmao
But for predominantly windows users
I always suggest considering Linux because I just hate ads so much
And this is a problem that macOS only has if you open apple’s specific apps for services and allow notifications
And Linux doesn’t have at all
2:54 you forgot to say "by the way"
I use arch btw 🤓
They'll use 10 until the software they use stops supporting 10. From there they will cry about it for a few years, then move to windows 11 when 10 becomes unusable. This happened with XP and 7 in the past. They will do anything but use Linux because they are cattle on Bill Gate's farm (according to Terry Davis). Microsoft could require rectal thermometer with built in camera checks to login and they still wouldn't switch Linux because it's "too hard" or "muh drivers" or "muh video game consooooming habit".
Honestly I don't give a shit. I switched to Linux ( Fedora 40 KDE ) 1 week ago for my main OS but still run WIndows 11 on a separate 1 TB SSD for the games that can't run on Linux due to their Anti Cheats.
my only issue with linux mint (cinnamon edge) is I can't get my games to run, and I can't tell if its my laptop or the OS thats the issue. My laptop is an acer nitro 5, and should be able to run the arkham trilogy easy as but I get horrible lag and terrible graphics
And I don't want to risk messing up my 3k PC just to test if its the OS or not
It's too bad their isn't some kind of intelligence running on windows that is able to automatically find the word password next to a field and insert a black bar over it to censor it, and possibly even be intelligent enough to find common formats for card numbers and other sensitive information and cover that as well. We could call it A.I. for artificial insert, because it would insert a black bar. To bad all those people working at Microsoft haven't made such a thing.
Ubuntu and Linux Mint servers: WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!! TOO MANY DOWNLOADS!!!
Arch users: Heheh. More fresh meat...
No doubt about that when Windows 10 ends, we're gonna see a mass migration of people moving to Linux, I mean I still use Windows 10 my main computer since it's old, and because of Adobe Photoshop and Microsoft Office. The TMP requirement for Windows 11 is stupid, Microsoft created an artificial barrier of entry, and some people are gonna be stupid enough to throw away a perfectly fine computer for a new computer that comes with Windows 11, it's just so obscured!
still have a very usable i7 4790k, with 16 GB ddr 3 ram with a 1TB NVME Sammy with a 1660 super and evga gold PS with win 10. Have also a 2.5" ssd sammy 500GB with linux mint on it all on the same pc
I don't think it's a big of an issue for Microsoft, the majority of people don't update their os or fiddle with the settings, they'll just keep using that os without knowing it's eol.
id love to switch to linux, but my niche is just not supported right now, VR youtuber, i gotta edit vidoes, photos and connect my quest wirelessly to my PC, i use a GOxlr and Elgato to transfer my feed to a second system to offload the rendering, my use case has terrible support.
Im still use windows 8.1 and i love this os its liteweight and not take many resources from my pc maybe I come back windows 10 i don't know
I have to agree with you there. People have been complaining about Windows turning into carp-ware for a while now but it hasn't really translated into more Linux adoption. I remember people had similar advertisement complaints about windows 10, but everyone seems to love it now. However, Linux has made strides in the past couple of years so now's the best time.
Personally, i hope that those new Snapdragon processors are Linux-ready so i can buy one and immediately lobotomize it (that battery-life on a Linux machine will be spectacular). Snapdragon seems to be all in about supporting the Linux kernel on their new SOCs. May be lead to a better ARM implementation for Linux than even Asahi Linux
I think the hatred turning to love thing may partially be because over time, tools to disable all of microshit's garbage were made like OOSU10, winaero tweaker, W10Privacy, and the debloater powershell script from github.
I moaned and complained about windows for a while but then discovered such tools and now my 10 installation is much lighter on system resources and has none of the spyware garbage on it anymore as well as all the stupid bloat microshit includes.
For a vast majority of users, they'll just switch to Windows 11.
If the steaming hotpile of shit that was Windows 8 didn't convince users, this won't lol.
aight, no more windows
Good video. I'm already on Linux; I switched in 2021. For me, Windows 11 is nothing more than a means to play games that can't run on Linux yet. The single nicest thing about switching to Linux is I'm actually getting more performance out of my hardware.
Windows 11 is unusable garbage. I switched to Linux and I love it.
I've been testing linux distros in dualboot, and I cannot praise Linux Mint enough for how easy it is to transition. Everything just works! I'd recommend this distro to anyone who wants to try linux once (coming from windows)
do programs just work or do you stil need to learn how to use the command thiny
@@CT_Taylor most popular apps just works, some of them (like Davinci Resolve) may require some terminal use for installing specific missing package. other than that, it's the most stable distro I've used
none of the people using windows 10 will actually care that its end of life
i run linux on my laptop and i like it but for my main pc im not sure if i want to switch because there are to many games that you cant play online with linux because of the anti cheat programs...
Too many, there's like 5 or 6. And tbh, those games arent worth playing, in my opinion. Modern online games are rife with bullshit monetization practices that just suck the fun out of everything they touch. Trust me, there's better stuff out there!
That's OK, you just wait a couple of years and those games won't be playable anyway by anyone because they will shut down the servers and run out with all the micro-transaction money.
Your content is actually amazing. I wonder why you don't have like hundreds of thousands of views yet. Keep up the good quality content!! Got my subscribe broski
as someone who is very into digital art, I wish clip studio had a linux version but they don't so if I want to keep using the program I paid for I'm gonna be forced to use this malware cosplaying as an OS until a better program comes along or they add linux support
I hear good things about Krita. Maybe give that one a whirl?
I'm not in the hobby of Art, but I hear a lot of big artists use Krita.
I am not sure if transitioning to krita will be easy, specially if you're using clip studio professionally. Maybe, using a VM would be a better choice if you really hate microsoft. (I also had hard time transitioning from medibang to krita. I did it over months.)
I don't know what other people will do. I will continue to use Windows 10 long after Windows 10 end of support. When web browsers will stop working on it then I will try to install Windows 11 on my unsupported hardware using work around. I think it will work for me.
Not anymore if 24H2 came out
Knowing Microsoft, they may walk back a lot of these horrible features when Window 12 drops next year. Kind of like they did with the metro tiles, and bringing back the start button for Windows 8.
Nah. They get too much money from selling harvested data to walk back any of these. If anything, they'll just rebrand some features to not mention AI once the buzzword falls out of fashion.
I really tried man, but I have dual gpu laptop with an nvidia in it, i get all sort of visual/sound glitches
I tried bazzite and popOS but it just didn't work, I am open for recommendations tho
I always recommend either Linux Mint if you want some relatively basic and want to get some experience. And Fedora with KDE plasma if you want something to game on or do video stuff or whatever.
Bazzite is a bit weird in how its set up and I havent touched PopOS in like 2 years so im not sure how it is anymore lol
Alt (or good) ending: people still use Windows 10, while the annoying linux users continue to cope with "YEAR OF THE LINUX DESKTOP" 24/7
Ok Bud 👍
@@PaV_Live 😺👍
This copilot stuff was the last straw, made the switch just now. Tried switching a few years ago, but just didn't work out because most of my daily apps didn't support linux. fast forward to now, and theres good alternatives for all of them, so I can finally get away from the spyware named Windows. Good riddance.
You can just disable it and if you don’t trust that either then don’t update to a feature update and limit it to security updates only. People are just wanna have a scapegoat to blame stuff on. Just be productive in whatever OS, get your job done and move on to real life.
@@Bluestarferies You seriously think its that easy? Windows doesn't just let you disable it. You've gotta install all sorts of Windows debloaters, etc, and even after all that you're still gonna be spied on, just to a lesser amount. Linux eliminates all of that, due to the fact you have ultimate control over the system. And computers ARE my real life, I'm a programmer.
@@Jaxx7594 of course you gonna have to use a script but that shouldn’t be too much of a hassle.. you think you won’t do troubleshooting in Linux? Also I don’t mind a bit of spying.. tell me one thing that doesn’t spy on you.. if you can do serious work with Linux and be productive then you’re lucky. Until all the most famous audio plugins are available on Linux along with the big DAWs, windows is the only way (and Mac OS which I already use and prefer over windows)
nice got a windows 11 advertisement.
Look how they massacred my boy :(
me as microsoft after watching this: i just wanted to make a good operating system. *cries*
Maybe in like 1994. But now they're a bunch of soul sucking corporate drones lmao
I just switch to PenPoint OS
Time for MacOS…
I am trying Arch Linux right now i tried other os too everything is great except sound quality it feels like i am using a 1 dollar headphone so i guess I have to switch to Windows 11 i can't bare with this audio quality its so bad
i love you
K.
I think the worst requirement Win 11 has isn't the TPM but rather the CPU. I swear NONE of my PCs, despite having a TPM, have a supported CPU. It's absolutely crazy. The vast majority of computers running Win 10 haven't been / won't be able to upgrade. Why. I literally want to switch to Win 11 so bad but I'm stuck in 10. And no, bypassing the requirements doesn't work, all of my computers keep crashing once it's installed. It is a fucking nightmare.
You do know what the definition of insanity is right?
Why on earth would you still trust and use an operating system that treats you like that?!?
i love these videos
Don't care. Still using Windows 10.
I installed Kubuntu on a secondary PC yesterday and I keep having more and more of a terrible time. The OS breaks from just opening the stock applications. Now I can't even liveboot into USB to install something else, because GRUB doesn't show the USB and I tried everything. I'll probably try to wipe the disk somehow and installing Windows again. Yeah, this ain't it chief.
I recommend Fedora or PopOS, personally. Still a really stable experience with support for the latest features for things like gaming. Ive never used kubuntu before, so I'm not sure why you're having those issues
I think Ubuntu is pretty good also. I have that installed in a virtual machine and it works well.
If you make it to GRUB, you're already too far in the boot process. Either your UEFI isn't set to prioritize booting from your USB drive, or the install iso hasn't been flashed properly to the USB drive.
@@PaV_Live I used multiple distros like Ubuntu Linux Mint fedora pop os etc but Arch Linux with gnome is my go to but only issue for me right now it is whole problem with linux not just arch sound quality is so bad compared to windows like listening music or watching your videos for example i can't bare my ear hurts but sound quality is normal but something is off that hurts my ears I am using pipewire btw already tried easyeffect too
"...because GRUB doesn't show the USB and I tried everything"
Ehhh, what?
A bootable usb WILL NEVER and SHOULD NOT be visible in your grub, that is for you BIOS to handle...
I don't use Windows 10 so it's no big deal to me. My 2 desktop gaming computers are running Win 11 - 2 of my HP Envy's are running Win 11, and My Mac Mini - MacBook Pro of course are running Mac OS Sonoma.
Linux has one major problem: it has has no compatibility win other non-Linux systems! Popular apps that have Windows and Mac support aren't available on Linux! it is unacceptable in today's day and age of technology. I don't want to have to be a hacker in order to use my operating system. FUCK LINUX, IT IS A JOKE!
so, is Mac a joke because it doesn't support .exe's either?
What you're describing isn't Linux's fault. It's just that it's still so niche that major companies don't see it as a viable platform to support. There isn't some magic gatekeeper that's preventing software from running. If Linux gets more support from all of us, maybe some companies will see more value in supporting the platform. We're already seeing that with the likes of Valve, AMD, and Qualcomm working with Linux devs to get better support for the OS. Nobody is your enemy here other than the tech companies who want to keep you locked into their ecosystems.
Repeat after me: The year of the linux desktop is never gonna happen
I would never go to linux ever
Then why are you watching this channel exactly?
Ditch michealsoft as soon as you can. Btw, this is just what corporations are doing with their staff pcs - monitoring them.
familiarity isn't the issue. it's the ease of access windows has that linux doesn't have, nor it plans to spoonfeed the users. any kid would choose windows over linux even if linux is objectively better.
People who have Windows 11: 😎😎
Basically a copy of windows 10 with ever LESS features, more bloat and with a blatant spyware AI that violates every consumer privacy right by observing every action of the users. Yea, not really much of a flex.
Windows 11 is dog water
@@PaV_Live my windows 11 is a beast but maybe you had a bad one, it’s still better than vista and 8 tho
@@Nzcade vista is way better than 11. 11 is bad since it has drm, spyware and bloatware. its a terrible os.
@@Ralphunreal weird cuz i never experienced that ever maybe mine is different idk