Aw man, I really wanted you to go off in the weeds. No complaints here for a longer vid that goes into the weeds. You know what you are talking about so I dig it. I love the idea of bio mechanical symbiosis with the hand for heat dissipation. I try to do that as much as possible with my lights on turbo, hoping that my hand heat sinks at least some of the heat lowering the burden on the head of the light. So glad you mentioned it, counter intuitive so not many people would give it much merit.
They're custom, and you're paying for the name. It also has a unique driver, which some enthusiasts care about. If it was a mass produced product it wouldn't be worth more than $80-100. Custom knives, flashlights, tools, etc; are always expensive. The light isn't objectively worth $300 but to many people it'll be subjectively worth it to have a custom piece. If you think this one is bad, look at the brand Okluma and some of their small lights, like the DC0. Almost $500 for 300 lumens.
@@cesarcesar5129 Yeah, some manufacturers do falsely claim their lumen ratings, but again 300 lumens is still ridiculous for this price. Since others have mentioned that it's about the craftsmanship, materials and exclusivity, I get it. I was looking for more of a functional flashlight that's small enough for EDC and there are cheap ones with claims of 2000 lumens for $20 or there are very good ones with claims for 2000 lumens for $150 by named brands. It's just a very big difference to see something for $300 that has a max output of 300 lumens with no unique features or anything.
Yes, American customs get up there. I still review Olight and other Chinese mass produced lights as well. I should have a Loop light review in about a month.
Well gotta add this one to the list to get. Cwf really impresses with his offerings. Would love to see if cwf could come up with a zoomie that flashlight nerds wouldn't immediately dismiss. Interested to hear if you have a favorite zoom light
I think between a pathfinder and mini arc, you wouldn’t want for a zoomie. (Zoomies are notorious for bad sealing, and dust getting inside because of the head volume change in use.)
Very cool looking birthday light. Happy Birthday to you. Not sure on the Pathfinder Seems if you wanted to go from say high white back to medium white then it's 5 clicks if I have that correct?. Is this not annoying? Maybe a long press to switch between leds would be better? I still like to see these unusual lights in any case.
Yes, 5 clicks to back up a level. But for what it’s worth, it works a little differently in practice. What I mean is, you basically have an easy choice of level, low for not waking others. Medium for walking at night, and High sparingly for lighting up a large area. So based on that, the light lives on medium almost always. So I don’t have to shuffle modes much, and the mode memory is helpful in this situation.
@@cheule It was interesting how you were moving the Pathfinder over the path and the whole path was staying consistently evenly flood lit. I guess that is the speciality for that light. I was out tonight along dark country lanes with my i5r 90cri, a Rider RX, a Nicron B74 and my Trustfire L2 all 14500 and the Trustfire 1000 lumens was the easy winner out of them all. Nice flood to useful throw balance and artefact free beam. I was quite impressed and they have 2 newer versions with I think more performance but this L2 really is enough. The pathfinder would not have been any use for that situation I don't think. Maybe they should call it the Stairs Creeper lol, a useful burglar tool? or the Lamppost lol.
Ok, imo, the main difference will be walking up the stairs with a narrow beam and seing the tail of the cat and thinking it was a snake tail 26:53. With the Pathfinder i’ll be able to tell its a cat right away.😅 I think this is my next light, waiting for B&B or Charles to put up those discount codes.
Great review on a super high quality, unique light. Congrats to Benny and Charles on this beauty! Not only the best walking light in existence but Fyi I think it's also a good bedside light if you can remember to set on low, which I always do at bedtime anyway.
Yes, you’re correct about using it as bedside if you remember the mode you’re on. I also found that if I block the light with my hand, I can click through and find the dimmest glow for the times I forget.
I could tell how much Cheule loves the Pathfinder! You guys were probably the cool parents with the flashlights in the neighborhood on Halloween. Cheule, does you have any plans on reviewing Loop's upcoming SK05?
The light pattern would be virtually identical, because mule is mule. But, the larger multi emitter mule lights like the ones you mentioned will put out more lumens. But, honestly, I’ve had many mules in my collection for years, and I never really carried them. The reason was because they were all lights like the ones you mentioned, and simply too big to justify carrying a mule. The beauty of this light, is it relatively small And I don’t mind carrying it alongside another light with a reflector.
@@cheule Ahh I got ya. I currently carry a modded SC64 for reflector and a C2 Pro Warm for flood. But I will carry 21700 lights also. I beat the hell out of a S21D for two years. I just like lights and the differences of their emitters and UI's. If I could have a Ti Zebra that would be amazing.
Nice video video. Thanks. But, I think just buy the Nitecore P10iX. It does the exact same thing but with 4000 lumens and has more features and costs half the price.
This is more of a “craftmanship” thing. Custom lights cost a lot because they’re made in the USA, usually by one person from start to finish. In this case, it was a collaboration between two partners, but it was definitely made in Georgia by CWF (Charles Wiggins).
I keep seeing these lights without any kind of reflector and every time I wanna buy one they’re sold out. The last one I saw was the fireflies and those are sold out. Obviously this is going to be a thing.
I have a hint about CWF Lights, they are always sold out on the webpage. Just DM (on Facebook) or email Charles directly and you should get hooked up. I also know the collab partner EDC-V has some to sell. If you join the Facebook group EDC-V Underground, the owner Benny Christian Høgseth just posted he had a few to sell. Sorry for all the Facebook shenanigans, but unfortunately that is just kind of how high end custom lights are sold. 🤷
Any information on runtimes? You can assume based on the brightness and it being a 14500, but I would love to know just how long it lasts on the included battery. The light makes way more sense when viewed from the walking light perspective. The amber mode really confused me until I heard you explain why it's there. Just like amber fog lights on cars, it's made to cut through heavy rain or fog or snow. Actually really well thought out light.
My informal test was this: I used up half the 14500, running the light on medium, for the entire time we were out trick or treating. That was about 1.5 hours. So figure 3 hours on medium.
Awesome video dude. Thanks for the breakdown of exactly what makes this light so good at what it does. It should not be a surprise that such a clear and strong design philosophy produced a great tool.
Tip: they always are on the website. Just PM Charles directly on FB or email him directly. I know that sounds weird, but it’s kind of how the custom community operates.
File it under junk. No hands-free? No way I would carry a light that is only a walking light--and a fail at that. This flashlight has no use case. Recently, I went on an 11-mile walk through the woods. Just a short walk in the drizzling rain. Temps about 66 degrees F. The walk took me about 4 hours. Often, I needed to use my hands. No way I would carry anything in my hands. Actually, I detest carrying anything, anyway. This light is a lousy walking light. Among a slew of issues, it does not offer adequate light control. The light dispersal is not even. That thickness is just in that one spot. The clip is lousy. When walking, sometimes I need distance lighting.
I hear you on all points. I will say that I found it the best walking light of all the lights I had during Halloween night. I could see well, all the people with me could see well, and the beam spread meant cars in a near 180° of directions could see us. I did use it exclusively in my hand. If I wanted hands free, I’d always turn to a headlamp. But I will state that with the beam so wide, and the clip so strong it’s possible to clip it to a pack or MOLLE on your shoulder strap in such a way to illuminate hands free.
@@googleuser6635 sounds like you need a headlamp buddy. I’d file it under sweet flashlight. Energizer and Duracell make exactly what you need and you can find them at any local retailer. This isn’t an every local retailer flashlight. Different realms dude. This light is for an enthusiast that appreciates quality and craftsmanship. May sound strange or possibly even gross, but when I need to go hands free on a walk (which is infrequent) I pop it in my mouth for the brief moment I need to. If I’m on an 11 mile walk through the woods I’m going headlamp and handheld. For my use case, it would be ideal.
@dinner_workingsly I don't bother with cheap Energizer or Duracel junk. The light output, duration, and lifetime of the cheap flashlights you mentioned is also inadequate for me. I'm certainly not sticking my flashlight in my mouth. I actually do carry quality flashlights. If I could find one flashlight that could do it all, I'd carry that, but each flashlight I do carry has multiple uses. Carrying a single-purpose flashlight is just a waste of space, money, and weight. Just about any flashlight would serve well as a walking flashlight. This flashlight has all the shortcomings of Duracel and Energizer flashlights--and additional shortcomings. It is an overpriced, under-engineered, useless piece of junk. The design, UI, and basically every aspect of this flashlight is sub-par.
@googleuser6635 Dude, you sound like a real fun fella to have at functions. Maybe one day you’ll find something that elevates itself to your standards 🤣 I sometimes let envy turn to negativity, I just know better than to sound whiny.
Did you really try to sell me in on a flashlight without a reflector. With a price matching a 50.000+ lumens flashlight. No, I aint buying that. It's like downscaling from a V8, with a inline 4, without turbo, trying to clame you are still going to do burnouts at the parking lots. Not buying it, stop claiming it's something special.
If you want even light, a mule is ideal. There’s a time for lumens, a time for candela, but when it comes to hiking or walking down dark paths, this light is superb. As far as the price goes, you can get much less expensive mule flashlights by people like Hank Wang of Emisar ( intl-outdoor.com ). He’ll sell you a 4 emitter D4V2 mule for about $50. American custom lights cost considerably more.
I realized one day that all the money I spent on flashlights over the years. I could have bought a decent anolog night vision monocular.
But you won’t scare the normies with a custom flashlight! 😉
@cheule Lol that is true, there will always be a place for white light.
Aw man, I really wanted you to go off in the weeds. No complaints here for a longer vid that goes into the weeds. You know what you are talking about so I dig it.
I love the idea of bio mechanical symbiosis with the hand for heat dissipation. I try to do that as much as possible with my lights on turbo, hoping that my hand heat sinks at least some of the heat lowering the burden on the head of the light. So glad you mentioned it, counter intuitive so not many people would give it much merit.
This guy “gets” it!
Why is a 300 lumen light being sold for $300? That's insane.
They're custom, and you're paying for the name. It also has a unique driver, which some enthusiasts care about. If it was a mass produced product it wouldn't be worth more than $80-100. Custom knives, flashlights, tools, etc; are always expensive. The light isn't objectively worth $300 but to many people it'll be subjectively worth it to have a custom piece. If you think this one is bad, look at the brand Okluma and some of their small lights, like the DC0. Almost $500 for 300 lumens.
Made in USA.
What others are saying is correct. Small batch, made in Georgia, USA. Think of it in terms of “a Rolex doesn’t tell time any better than a timex.”
Lumens aren’t everything. In fact it’s mostly a marketing gimmick. My best lights are about 550-650 max.
@@cesarcesar5129 Yeah, some manufacturers do falsely claim their lumen ratings, but again 300 lumens is still ridiculous for this price. Since others have mentioned that it's about the craftsmanship, materials and exclusivity, I get it. I was looking for more of a functional flashlight that's small enough for EDC and there are cheap ones with claims of 2000 lumens for $20 or there are very good ones with claims for 2000 lumens for $150 by named brands. It's just a very big difference to see something for $300 that has a max output of 300 lumens with no unique features or anything.
Looks cool but above my price range. Most these lights are $300 +
If I had an extra 300 laying around I would be looking at an Acebeam X75.
Yes, American customs get up there. I still review Olight and other Chinese mass produced lights as well. I should have a Loop light review in about a month.
I think the perfect walking light is the sun. Haha
But what about at night! 🌘
Well gotta add this one to the list to get. Cwf really impresses with his offerings. Would love to see if cwf could come up with a zoomie that flashlight nerds wouldn't immediately dismiss. Interested to hear if you have a favorite zoom light
I think between a pathfinder and mini arc, you wouldn’t want for a zoomie. (Zoomies are notorious for bad sealing, and dust getting inside because of the head volume change in use.)
Very cool looking birthday light. Happy Birthday to you. Not sure on the Pathfinder Seems if you wanted to go from say high white back to medium white then it's 5 clicks if I have that correct?. Is this not annoying? Maybe a long press to switch between leds would be better? I still like to see these unusual lights in any case.
Yes, 5 clicks to back up a level. But for what it’s worth, it works a little differently in practice. What I mean is, you basically have an easy choice of level, low for not waking others. Medium for walking at night, and High sparingly for lighting up a large area. So based on that, the light lives on medium almost always. So I don’t have to shuffle modes much, and the mode memory is helpful in this situation.
@@cheule It was interesting how you were moving the Pathfinder over the path and the whole path was staying consistently evenly flood lit. I guess that is the speciality for that light. I was out tonight along dark country lanes with my i5r 90cri, a Rider RX, a Nicron B74 and my Trustfire L2 all 14500 and the Trustfire 1000 lumens was the easy winner out of them all. Nice flood to useful throw balance and artefact free beam. I was quite impressed and they have 2 newer versions with I think more performance but this L2 really is enough. The pathfinder would not have been any use for that situation I don't think. Maybe they should call it the Stairs Creeper lol, a useful burglar tool? or the Lamppost lol.
Ok, imo, the main difference will be walking up the stairs with a narrow beam and seing the tail of the cat and thinking it was a snake tail 26:53. With the Pathfinder i’ll be able to tell its a cat right away.😅
I think this is my next light, waiting for B&B or Charles to put up those discount codes.
Too funny!
Great review on a super high quality, unique light. Congrats to Benny and Charles on this beauty! Not only the best walking light in existence but Fyi I think it's also a good bedside light if you can remember to set on low, which I always do at bedtime anyway.
Yes, you’re correct about using it as bedside if you remember the mode you’re on. I also found that if I block the light with my hand, I can click through and find the dimmest glow for the times I forget.
I could tell how much Cheule loves the Pathfinder! You guys were probably the cool parents with the flashlights in the neighborhood on Halloween.
Cheule, does you have any plans on reviewing Loop's upcoming SK05?
Absolutely! It’s on my desk. I’m going to do it hopefully by thanksgiving.
@@cheule Heck yeah! You're the best!
apa bedanya pathfinder dengan senter zoom???
great review as always 👍👍
The beam shapes would be very similar between those two types of flashlights. The mule will be even more spread, and more even.
Cheule what if you put this against a Mule like a D4K Mule or FFL NOV MU V2?
The light pattern would be virtually identical, because mule is mule. But, the larger multi emitter mule lights like the ones you mentioned will put out more lumens.
But, honestly, I’ve had many mules in my collection for years, and I never really carried them. The reason was because they were all lights like the ones you mentioned, and simply too big to justify carrying a mule. The beauty of this light, is it relatively small And I don’t mind carrying it alongside another light with a reflector.
@@cheule Ahh I got ya. I currently carry a modded SC64 for reflector and a C2 Pro Warm for flood. But I will carry 21700 lights also. I beat the hell out of a S21D for two years. I just like lights and the differences of their emitters and UI's. If I could have a Ti Zebra that would be amazing.
Light looks super cool, but I wish there was on option to have both bulbs on at the same time for maximum output. For fun if not anything else...
Interesting idea, but I can see why they didn’t (from a driver standpoint).
What’s the cheap alternatives which don’t have reflectors??
Try intl-outdoor.com which has the D4V2 mule for about $50 in aluminum. Great light if you’re willing to learn the Anduril UI.
Nice video video. Thanks. But, I think just buy the Nitecore P10iX. It does the exact same thing but with 4000 lumens and has more features and costs half the price.
This is more of a “craftmanship” thing. Custom lights cost a lot because they’re made in the USA, usually by one person from start to finish.
In this case, it was a collaboration between two partners, but it was definitely made in Georgia by CWF (Charles Wiggins).
I keep seeing these lights without any kind of reflector and every time I wanna buy one they’re sold out. The last one I saw was the fireflies and those are sold out. Obviously this is going to be a thing.
I have a hint about CWF Lights, they are always sold out on the webpage. Just DM (on Facebook) or email Charles directly and you should get hooked up.
I also know the collab partner EDC-V has some to sell. If you join the Facebook group EDC-V Underground, the owner Benny Christian Høgseth just posted he had a few to sell.
Sorry for all the Facebook shenanigans, but unfortunately that is just kind of how high end custom lights are sold. 🤷
Any information on runtimes? You can assume based on the brightness and it being a 14500, but I would love to know just how long it lasts on the included battery.
The light makes way more sense when viewed from the walking light perspective. The amber mode really confused me until I heard you explain why it's there. Just like amber fog lights on cars, it's made to cut through heavy rain or fog or snow. Actually really well thought out light.
My informal test was this: I used up half the 14500, running the light on medium, for the entire time we were out trick or treating. That was about 1.5 hours. So figure 3 hours on medium.
@@cheule Thank you!
So you were Wiggins out , and had to re-record ?
I see what you did there 😆
Awesome video dude. Thanks for the breakdown of exactly what makes this light so good at what it does. It should not be a surprise that such a clear and strong design philosophy produced a great tool.
Obviously you understand custom lights. Not everyone does.
What an incredible design, I want that Pathfinder!
I agree, It’s a great design!
Zebralight H604d :)
Reminds me on the MecArmy PS14 but this has a reflector.
@17:02 That is definitely not 1 lumen.
Ive measured it at 1 lumen when the lights are out.
Thank you so much! You are such an interesting person! Good luck!
Thanks!
Unobtanium.
Email Charles or PM him on FB.
@@cheule Thank you! 👍
Too bad CWF is out of stock for all their lights.
Tip: they always are on the website. Just PM Charles directly on FB or email him directly. I know that sounds weird, but it’s kind of how the custom community operates.
File it under junk. No hands-free? No way I would carry a light that is only a walking light--and a fail at that.
This flashlight has no use case.
Recently, I went on an 11-mile walk through the woods. Just a short walk in the drizzling rain. Temps about 66 degrees F. The walk took me about 4 hours. Often, I needed to use my hands. No way I would carry anything in my hands. Actually, I detest carrying anything, anyway.
This light is a lousy walking light. Among a slew of issues, it does not offer adequate light control. The light dispersal is not even.
That thickness is just in that one spot.
The clip is lousy.
When walking, sometimes I need distance lighting.
I hear you on all points. I will say that I found it the best walking light of all the lights I had during Halloween night. I could see well, all the people with me could see well, and the beam spread meant cars in a near 180° of directions could see us.
I did use it exclusively in my hand. If I wanted hands free, I’d always turn to a headlamp. But I will state that with the beam so wide, and the clip so strong it’s possible to clip it to a pack or MOLLE on your shoulder strap in such a way to illuminate hands free.
@@googleuser6635 sounds like you need a headlamp buddy. I’d file it under sweet flashlight. Energizer and Duracell make exactly what you need and you can find them at any local retailer. This isn’t an every local retailer flashlight. Different realms dude. This light is for an enthusiast that appreciates quality and craftsmanship.
May sound strange or possibly even gross, but when I need to go hands free on a walk (which is infrequent) I pop it in my mouth for the brief moment I need to. If I’m on an 11 mile walk through the woods I’m going headlamp and handheld. For my use case, it would be ideal.
@dinner_workingsly I don't bother with cheap Energizer or Duracel junk. The light output, duration, and lifetime of the cheap flashlights you mentioned is also inadequate for me.
I'm certainly not sticking my flashlight in my mouth.
I actually do carry quality flashlights. If I could find one flashlight that could do it all, I'd carry that, but each flashlight I do carry has multiple uses. Carrying a single-purpose flashlight is just a waste of space, money, and weight.
Just about any flashlight would serve well as a walking flashlight.
This flashlight has all the shortcomings of Duracel and Energizer flashlights--and additional shortcomings. It is an overpriced, under-engineered, useless piece of junk. The design, UI, and basically every aspect of this flashlight is sub-par.
@googleuser6635 Dude, you sound like a real fun fella to have at functions. Maybe one day you’ll find something that elevates itself to your standards 🤣
I sometimes let envy turn to negativity, I just know better than to sound whiny.
@@dinner_workingslyAssume away. I couldn't care less. My standards are high.
Yet you are the one whining.
Did you really try to sell me in on a flashlight without a reflector. With a price matching a 50.000+ lumens flashlight. No, I aint buying that. It's like downscaling from a V8, with a inline 4, without turbo, trying to clame you are still going to do burnouts at the parking lots. Not buying it, stop claiming it's something special.
If you want even light, a mule is ideal. There’s a time for lumens, a time for candela, but when it comes to hiking or walking down dark paths, this light is superb.
As far as the price goes, you can get much less expensive mule flashlights by people like Hank Wang of Emisar ( intl-outdoor.com ). He’ll sell you a 4 emitter D4V2 mule for about $50.
American custom lights cost considerably more.
Too much time for a review
I have a lot to say!(I do give you chapter marks, which I encourage you to use).