AskBR : Karnan | Mari Selvaraj | Dhanush | Rajisha Vijayan | Santhosh Narayanan | Baradwaj Rangan
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- Опубліковано 24 сер 2024
- #Karnan is a Tamil-language action drama film directed by #MariSelvaraj, and produced by Kalaipuli S. Thanu under his V Creations banner. The film stars #Dhanush, Lal, Yogi Babu, Natarajan Subramaniam, Rajisha Vijayan, Gouri G. Kishan and Lakshmi Priya Chandramouli. The film features music composed by Santhosh Narayanan, cinematography handled by Theni Eswar, and editing done by Selva R. K.
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I think Karnan is a spiritual prequel to Pariyerum Perumal due to two reasons. One, due to the fact Pariyan is also from an oppressed community that now has the means (bus) to go outside and attempt to break free of the social ills that have shackled them, which has been made possible by the uprising led by Karnan. Second, the boy who raises the horse in the film is called Perumal and he literally becomes Pariyerum Perumal when he mounts the horse towards the climax.
You nailed it man! I never thought in that way and kudos to your thinking.
And horse is also Mahabhinishkramana in Buddhism, which is vacating house and search for enlightenment
goose bumps bro :) amazing interpretation
Omg. Amazing.!
Nwice👍
" Do the right thing" ends with two quotes from two people with different approaches of protest ( Malcolm X and Martin Luther).
What Martin Luther tells suits PP and a bit of Karnan. What Malcolm X's quote encapsulates Karnan's idea.
People who question violence, pls question the violence in DEVARMAGAN, KOMBAN, VIRUMANDI, DEVARATTAM, etc!!!!! These movies depict the caste dominance and nobody questions it.... If someone fightsback for the basic, moral right...all the "PEACE KEEPERS" and gandhiyan followers jump into twitter and UA-cam comments... Bcos of Devar Magan song, even today all the so called caste dominant devar community youth plays this song in functions, festivals and especially during devar jayanthi and run in streets in masses with a fire torch....and nobody questions this!!!!!
The people who play the Thevar Magan song in a proud way never really understood the movie and what it wanted to say
Karnan shows a completely different take on Mahabharata like BR said. Another example is how the character named "Yemaraj" takes his own life instead of taking other's life as we know it...
No it's not. Mahabharat has nothing to do with caste. Guess Mari Selvaraj learned Mahabharatha from memes.
Pariyerum Perumal depicted struggle. The protagonist just tried to survive and never fought back. Karnan is redemption and fighting back against injustice. Do you think Mari Selvaraj's next one would be solution or way forward?
The first question- Karnan's age can also be a reason for the burst.
Exactly
Is there any reason that the villagers pray to a headless statue
@@archanamotupalli6994 May be they lost hope in the stone gods, who they believed would help them from all the deaths or the people are waiting for someone to take the identity of god, who is in the form of human
The interval scene easily could have ended in a high point.. but it sustains.. so as to provoke a fact that its not the right thing they are doing but a necessary thing to be done right now..cause as the scene extends the anger.. with which the scene started ends with more than an anger a mixed feeling of sorts.. and this emotional connectivity is carried thoroughly during the climax when he kills kanabiran.. he didn't intend to .but he has to.. and later when the film ends .. there is a celebration not of just joy but tears in the eyes.. from a birds eye perspective it could be seen as is this the way i should get what I want.. probably no.. but what else can I do when they deny even my basic needs of a living
That’s indeed true. As the humiliation and frustration never ends, at one point of time everything gets vented out during the interval block. Whilst it reaches an utmost crescendo everyone among the audience ( us ) had a satisfaction that Karnan has done something bold and gutsy, but we never know that much more worse and gruesome situations awaits for the villagers later in the film. Maari Selvaraj has been very conscious in terms of building the emotions from scene to scene in an organic way rather than a dramatic style!
When I walked out of the theatre awestruck by the cinematic experience that Karnan offered on screen, many teens and Gen z said how it was boring and one time watchable or not upto sultan/master
Commercial movies also provides an escapism mode to larger audiences so having both commercial stalwart movies and art house pics is will create a healthy balance of movies. 👌🏽👍🏼
Next up.
Deepfocus with Mari Selvaraj. ✌️
Unequivocally, that will be a fantastic conversation. We can hear out the creator’s perspective and get to know that with what thought process he had done it, as this is a film with so many symbolic representations and detailing.
CGI in the film was really good . I usually get taken aback when I see them out of place . This movie has some shots which does not take from the experience or dilute the intensity of the overall film.
It's feels good to see CGI getting in indian movies
Mentioned this earlier, but Karnan was a visual masterpiece for me, but at times I felt like Mari Selvaraj was far too focused on the imagery and the story felt as if it was nothing new, the oppressed taking on the oppressor. But the fantastic characterizations made you feel for Karnan and his villagers and i bought into the story and was kept engaged! Admittedly I had extremely high expectations for Mari Selvaraj + Dhanush coming together for the film but I wasn’t quite satisfied, but that’s my fault for building up such expectations.
Yes exactly..everything about the first half was individualistically brilliant, be it the world, characters, dialogues, motifs, symbols, sound design, music, direction but story. The main driving force for any celluloid art is story, but in Karnan it just fell flat with little amount of effort into it. Personally I believe that Karnan would have been much better if it had been a 500 page novel instead of a movie, where u have unlimited time to establish characters, symbols, subplots and it wouldn't feel tedious; Ex- Oliver twist- It deals with the story of a poor orphan in search of his identity. Thr are a lot of ppl and things happening but it just goes along with the flow of the book that it just can't be overlooked. But in Karnan the two halves seemed polarized with the 1st half being an incoherent mess in terms of story, but excellent in terms of world establishment. That's why imo the movie is a bit overrated.
The interval scene was brilliant. Karnan had fight with his girlfriend and so didn't want to go to the Kabaddi match and then when he joins, he gets cheated and his anger is triggered. Then, he sees the commotion with yeaman thatha on ground and he lets the anger out.
My favorites pa Ranjith and Mari Selvaraj from Bihar Jay bheem jai ho
What i felt on Karnan character Arc, he aware everything about whats happening around him, he ie the one intimating everyone from the start of the movie like eagle scene, fighting for village sister. He has that anger on every situation and it's get high on interval. Since situation became worse now, people have to join with karnan, he has same anger from day one of movie, others are accepting it on later stage of movie.
Thanks BR for answering my question
The comparison of PP vs Karnan
and the impacts on us takes a different turn ..
We all pity for wat happened to pari in PP , even after pissing over him and several attacks on him , he still asks for treating them equally to the villan.
While Karnan village had seen generations of these oppression and they were used to it , U can't keep on oppressing them , it was a burst out which led to ask the basics and when it turned against them into a police riot , u have to kill the men who is still ordering u even at his lowest just bcoz he is superior , if u let go u won't justify the vision
u created ..
And the impacts of PP was high while Karnan was low is bcoz , we all can relate to Pari and feel pity for him bcoz the story revolves around an individual while in Karnan it shows the entire Village's anger, we sitting in a environment which was very much far than showed could not relate to it , Only the person who knows the entire values or living in the set up cud feel it completely ... We can equate with a single individual and empathize for his pain but we can't empathize for the entire Village which was totally strange for us .
Lastly people worry about the violence in the film and asks for the same ending as in PP ..?
Well even the basic things should be asked as a request , pleading the opressors?
If it was in a attacking manner , then it will be branded as violence ... People should change their mindset
Well said Vicky that's my view too❤
Happy to see Ranauq here!!🤩
25:29 I feel like Draupadi's (Heroine's) character is necessary, as this story establishes Karnan having those things he did not have in Mahabharatham. Draupadi in this movie is shown to be so impressed by Karnan for cutting the fish into half which did not happen in Mahabharatham. Like BR said, it's Mahabharatham from the other side. That's why Draupadi loves him here and He doesn't die in the end.
Eh I just enjoy the movie as-is. Take in whatever they show without any question and try to produce a reason as to why they did it. I feel when people bring in external factors like 'star power' or 'budget' to justify something in a movie, it breaks the immersion for me because what's the fun in that?
Regarding the masala aspect of the movie, I really enjoyed it. Yes, there are cliches but they're not necessarily a terrible thing. I love the cliches because, in the movie, everything is a story, like it could be a story and the fact that the movie alludes to Mahabharata reinforces it. Why question anything from a story?
The character arc is like that of a 'hero' because Karana (from Mahabharata) is a 'hero'. Just because every movie feature 'hero' character doesn't mean it's a bad thing.
I love the atmospheric elements like birds and animals. It is slightly over done but if they are necessary, they could have used more variety of visuals instead of the same sky with the same bird so that it's not boring.
People are really caught up with minimalism and realism but I'm just sick of those movies by now. The expressionistic elements like Karupi spirit, Village deities, 'naan yaar' song and that weird electronic music in Karnan where the village spirits do western dance are right up my alley. I wish more people made movies like that in Tamil.
Hero fighting a THING (bus). ❤️
I think what Kannpiran represents is not exactly casteism. A little bit yes. But more towards the authority. Because in the police station scene, there was a shot to Dr. Ambedkar's photo and I felt it was a shot of portraying the highest hypocrisy. The system that was created post-independence got filled with people who believe just because they came to a certain position, them imagining that respect is something they deserve was perfectly conveyed by that shot.
I don't think there was a necessity for Kannapiran to be introduced earlier just because he had anything to do while Mari was trying to establish the universe of Karnan. And the problems Karnan encountered were something that didn't need the presence of Kannapiran. That also fits the Mahabharata narrative since until the time Arjuna was of age and he started to have bigger problems which he himself cannot solve, Krishna was never there for Pandavas.
Yes it's not casteist more of authority I am an officer you have to treat me lmwith respect more as a slave u have to bow to me kneel and beg it's kind of domibance not exactly casteist indeed that also a way of exploitation which also a form of casteis
Deffo the most awaited BR Session is here! I’m glad that he has put it on the map.
If you ever do an AskBR on Kumbalangi Nights, here’s my question: The whole scene at the movies with Baby slapping Bobby & him saying getting pissed & saying I’m a man, do you think it was a commentary on the movie that was showing? Arjun Reddy?
I'm obviously not BR, not even close LOL - but i just couldn't help myself. Here's my 2 paisa - It Cannot be a sheer coincidence that AR was playing in the background of that scene , can it? The director certainly wants to point out the hypocritical fascination and celebration of toxic masculinity.
Per my observation, most fans of that movie are ladies.
Says something about the paradoxical nature of the human condition.
No Words just watch and Exberience the Emotion!
Brilliant explanation As usual BR .interval point u told great one.
Super chuffed to see our question being answered! Thank you. Beyond the star aspect, Ranjith resorted to the activism mode and a vulnerability of Kaala that could've missed the mark, one thinks.
Suprised to see you here Ranaq
Is it possible to have it as a podcast? Would be appreciated.
Dhanush is the man !
Love from Jaffna, Sri Lanka 🧡
In my mind I will tell that the small children who posses the horse 'perumal' may be the future 'Pariyerum Perumal'. Because on past it was actually happened on 1996 but it mentioned as 1995 in the film. The Pariyerum Perumal movie was staged at 2005. So, the time frame where the boy could, transform to which in Parieryum Perumal.
And adding to that, there are two scenes as common on both film. Both involve the 'Thalak kattu' chairperson of the village got hitted and they were exposing the same thing in both film.
And the 'Abimanyu' character in the film is always oppress the 'Karnan' as Mahabharatha. Even though at last both unite as the Mahabharatha and 'Kanna Piraan' was the reason for the death of Duriyodana, Abimanyu in Story and mahabharatha
Thanks for answering sir!
Excellent point on inequality ! After doing the first film with lesser known hero, these directors (mari, Ranjith, ameer etc) moved onto to do big movies. Is that fair ? If the reason is "spreading message to wider audience", then everyone will have their own reasoning including politicians..you can't have it both ways....
Brilliant Answers BR Sir...
BR💥
Karnan is a movie of many stories in one movie. The symbolism and animals carry the movie reveals untold story. You folks don’t understand without understanding tamil culture and Tamil spiritualism. The foolish explanation motivates me to write about Karnan movie. Expect to from me...
Mari Selvaraj is an extraordinary craftsman, may be equallant to Vetrimaran
I was intrigued by Kannabiran. Was it just the Mahabharata reference that would have been on the mind or was it deliberately shown with other Mahabharata names so that no one would think of that area's saviour Krishna Samy-Kannabiran ... since he has been hugely in news for his shifting ideologies and caste pride
Felt that Karnan had a more logical sequences leading to that outburst in the interval and to the climax too with so much masala sense. While a movie like MASTER has more coincidencial masala moments. Take that little boy delivering the horse in the climax and Undiyal saving the day with a phone call.
True, both the scenes that you’ve mentioned above are written to build up a character in a colossal way. Only difference is that Master was much more of a masala film consisting of all the other elements with a much bigger star like Vijay.
@@deexith9559 yeah, leisure of making a total in and out commercial cinema
They are two different movies. One wants to be an art film with masala touches. One wants to be a masala film with artistic touches. Master is made to be a crowd pleaser and a theater experience at best. Karnan is an evocative movie with elements that would appeal to a mainstream audience. Even a lot of people are not really celebrating the movie. Asuran somehow managed to have 2 distinct touches but worked together. When the movie is about oppression and suffering its an out and out art film. When it comes to the structure you get the same intermission block, climax fight and stuff. It's done in a more logical and realistic way but it switches modes at that point. Could see the shades of it in "Karnan" while it took some unique steps like showing metaphorical elements and surrealistic approach.
@@raaghavdatta7814 Definitely, yes. Asuran had more touches of a commercial film as it is a revenge drama, but Karnan is more of a journey and a portrayal of the village named “Podiyankulam” and the kind of lifestyle the people in the village are intended to live. In my opinion, Karnan impacted me much more than Asuran. However, both managed to leave an indelible impression on us. Maari Selvaraj has delivered a classic, which is not only offensive but effective at the same time.
@@raaghavdatta7814 ya totally agreed without any contradictions, the point is MASTER's advantage is that it is solely depends on its cast for a masala element, like VIJAY, VJ sethupathy , poovayar, arjun das. C i can literally name most of the cast. but here in karnan at the interval high even when an unknown cast boy with a total relevance to the scene has got that masala gist.
Can anyone tell , where to post Q's for this AsKBR session ? I checked in Twitter ..could not find this.
Twitter
You can find it on their instagram page
BR: Films may not reflect reality
PaRanjith: I am creating a political discourse based on films.
Oscar awards desert of karnan
I have so many questions, I am sure baddy will answer them.
Saala fuddu
@@adityarandhawa2724 Thank you so much, taking out your precious time to call me that. I really appreciate it.
This is unfair , movie wasn't released in telugu . But u all njoying film and analysis . when will it release in telugu....? At least release subtitles version in theaters.
Wait bruh! It will soon come in prime or some other platforms...but one thing #KARNAN is a masterpiece✨
raunaq anna neegala uh 🤩❤️
Man your just Amazing Baratwaj !! What a clarity of thoughts about the movie... 😎👌🏼
#Myfavoritemoviereviewer 🙂
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Sorry to do this to you
Tamil industry is diversity of India from Bihar Jay bheem jai ho
Why most of comments in askBR are against Karnan while they are supporting PP? Is most of them are from dominant background? Just asking.
Hey Raunaq 🥰👆🏻
Is there any specified reason that the villagers pray for a headless statue???
And there is a connection with that in the painting and how kannapiran killed...
Plzz answer
I used to think the statue was either of Buddha's or Mahavir's. The decapitated statue could be a symbol for the eradication of Buddhism/Jainism in the period of Adi Sankara's hegemony of neo Hinduism
Tamil industry is revolution of India from Bihar Jay bheem
Hey BR, My respect for you is spiked because of this video. I admire that you understand all the little things the creator (Maari Selvaraj) wanted to express through the visual medium.
Is Karnan Prequel to Pariyerum Perumal??
19:22 You say that Dhanush's character is larger than life. You haven't watched Telugu movies. Karnan is ARTISTIC in telugu cinema point of view. Even Telugu cinema is changing like Rangastalam and Uppena.
Why does the end credit sound so low pitched 🧐
A lot of the ask br questions felt like wannabe cinephile asking him questions, they also tend to repeat the same opinions he says. Its kind of annoying, please people always remember ur never bigger than the art.
wat I felt was, the whole village running behind the politicians for years to get busstop but denied bcs f caste reason as portraid So at interval point karnan forced to a situation where an object or melur village/politicians whoever suppressing this village are same which means no use n talking or begging. Thatsy he took violence in hand and shattered the bus from then on violence continues till end. Subject of film could be: ask wat u need, if u dont get or suppressed then v shud fight for it.
Sir, Kauravas and Pandavas are not of different castes. They were family.
when "karnan" freed that donkey. I was like :
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Why don't you make a AskBR for a Telugu movie.....
😂😂 really
@@kapoor1989 True jersey, care of kancherpalem, brochevarevarura are shitty, jury also didn't have knowledge for giving jersey a national award for editing.
I wish he doesn't because BR is already producing major content for the channel and it becomes boring after a point to hear too much of BR's thoughts. I wish others like kairam, hriday, Hemanth do something interesting and interactive too. Which makes this channel not so boring over time.
@@kapoor1989 Yeah right every Tamil movie is a gem. They just make good progressive cinema. Master is a perfect example 😂
@Trendzers wen sum1 puts an argument on u , try to attack him with the same or point out he Is wrong , else better to avoid these types ... If u keep.on building the conversation it will create illness towards each other ,...
RGV , jealous , bwood .. these wud create another sets of arguments 👏👏
Hlo film companion First Thing is ur people reviewed karnan film.. it is a tamil film not a bollywood or Hollywood film.so please discussed in Tamil and also reviewed in Tamil.....
#AskBR - (Disclaimer: Am not justifying Kannabiran but just sharing my thoughts about his rage, what could have triggered him) When he inspected the bus, he was kind of a neutral policeman who uttered the words, appo avunga bus vendam nu soldra group ila, bus venum nu soldra group. Later he comes to the village where he is provoked in two scenes as shown in the movie from my point of view. Firstly he was asking for a chair to sit and a guy in the village went to bring it but ended up helping the old lady to pee and then he came back empty handled and all these are noticed by Kannabiran himself and Secondly when he asked for names he was just heard names from Gurushetra from random people in the village, just imagine from Kannabiran point of view, he didnt hear any normal name even in a random manner so wont he have misunderstood that they are mocking him by giving false names? Radhika keeping panchapandavar names for her sons in dharmadurai was fine and acceptable as they are one family but random people in the village having their names like Dhuruyodhana, Karnan, Drowpati etc doesnt seen natural is my opinion which is why he was keep on asking in the police station what is your real name, just my understanding about his rage over them. What do you think about this view from Kannabiran perspective, ofcourse am not justifying his act but just an opinion how things triggered him initially as shown in the movie #Karnan
The film CLEARLY points out his mentality towards the people. Problem with towel on head. Problem with them touching him. Just touching his arm!!!! And oh boy. How am i gonna make you understand just because someone's a police officer they dont require immediate seating especially outside a house in an open space. Every single person there is standing. If you cant see a problem here im sorry but you're part of the problem.
I honestly have no clue how you ended up in this place to think this way. I hope you change your position.
@@sarathraj2381 I never justified his act, I am totally against such characters but mari showing this exact scene I quoted above shows things just started stacking one after the other, things I told are initial followed by things you mentioned, so what if he was given a chair, what if their names wasn't that? Mari decided it that way is what am saying, not making Kannabiran good guy here.
@@kapoor1989 I guess you must watch Virumandi before you comment further, am not supporting Kannabiran act here at the same time am just quoting what's shown in the movie, so if you think am dumb let it be, just ignore my comments and move on 🙏
@@thangarajd7509 @Thangaraj D you're again missing the point of the movie. Why is he a neutral police officer when from the beginning he says "they solve problems on their own. They must belong to the same caste". From there onwards we know he is viewing things in such a bad way. He goes there and then demands a chair. And you're saying he was a neutral police officer. Just why?
You even go so far as to say the rage might be because of the names. Wtf man? He got a problem with the man wearing a towel to them standing straight in front of him. And you want to dilute it to "the names"? In the end karnan asks kannapiran what is his father's name and his name is. So kannapiran can have that name and its natural but karnan and dhuryodhanan cant?
I don't think the movie's stance is like what you're describing. He's a vile character from beginning to end. He's shown like that. To believe other way you need to cherry pick.
@@thangarajd7509 Ya I agree with u for I was baffled at the fact that Krishna was shown as a casteist, inhumane being who resorts to harming others out of intolerance... I am like what??? yes it could have been the trigger point of that guy (this something which series like Mindhunter seeks to explore and expound upon) but imo he was just portrayed as a bad guy just for the sake of it... and portraying Krishna in such a light is imo equivalent to understanding only the periphery of the great epic (possibly just 0.001% of the epic's nectar) upon which the movie is loosely based on.
If the peoples fight with sword , horse and armour in battle ground then i becomes a historical movie.?? but here common people stood against their suppression and dignity. so it is categorise as caste based movie .. isn't it ?..pongada neengalum unga echai puthiyum .. The peoples who are all criticise this movies are really supportive of the casteism or they done it previously to other peoples.. So they are afraid oneday it will happen to them. Karma always return it back..
ஒருத்தனாவது தமிழ்ல கமெண்ட் பண்றானா பார்😬😬😬
It doesn't work because there is a big star who hide the other character
well, when you decided that you have to praise some'thing' you will feel every'thing'in that film looks like an art form..
You have never seen this in a masala film at all? wow..
Calling this a masala film be an offence to Masala film format. This is a clear middle child that can neither suffice its message nor entertains the audience on a leisure Sunday evening..