Picard: "Geordi, how can we overcome the transporter beam interference? " LaForge: "Well Captain, I could try tying the quantum based silicon photonic modulator into the Heisenberg compensators. That should boost the signal." Picard: "Make it so."
I was just watching a UA-cam video yesterday on this technology. It’s pretty sophisticated. A little bit different as they use a cloud of electrons and aimed 6 lasers from different directions to keep the electrons floating. Went above my head after that part lol
Yeah russia designed this, like the B29 bomber and everything else in technological society. US just copies everything from russia and claims it as its own lol
It is based on the physics of Bose-Einstein Condensate using laser harmonics. It uses energy harmonics and collapses the atom cloud to a condensate close to 0 Kelvin, then uses laser interferometry to determine the orientation changes of the condensate mass relative to it's initial orientation. Ironically this research was started by civil aviation to deal with how much GPS spamming and spoofing has been affecting navigation in the approach phase (safety of life issue) which has been going for much longer than Russian jamming of GPS signals in the Ukraine war. I was wondering how quickly the DoD would jump on this, glad to see that it has been quick. Another improvement over Laser Ring or Fiber Optic gyros will be that Quantum Laser Interferometry likely will not be affect by Schuler oscillations as Laser Reference Frame Acceleration Interferometers are subject to perturbations from. I am curious to see how quickly they get fielded in weapons and LRUs.
Conclusion: A quantum compass contains clouds of atoms frozen using lasers. By measuring the movement of these frozen particles over precise periods of time the motion of the device can be calculated. The device would then provide accurate position in circumstances where satellites are not available for satellite navigation, e.g. a fully submerged submarine.
'Freezing' isn't doing it justice. The atoms are cooled down to within a few billionths of absolute zero. This changes the actual state of matter from a solid to a Bose-Einstein condensate. It may be the lowest energy state of matter.
I think you got this one wrong, what you have just described was a system being presented by Oxford University in UK, that was recently shown here in YT. However, this video shows a totally different thing (without actually explaining a darn thing), basically a much more capable onchip laser, capable of working with an onchip ring laser gyroscope, the more pure the frequency the more precise the measurement. This one being much more practical, constantly working (instead of pulsed) not requiring vacuum chamber neither a cryostat, etc BTW, yes, it's still a INS but this one uses a much more well established technology.
These will be an absolute game-changer if they can be made cheap, reliable and in volume. Imagine if every single rocket, heavy mortar round and bomb was a precision guided munition.
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Russian spies at Los Alamos gave the atomic bomb design to Stalin before Hiroshima. Of course they'll get this tech as well, and the first munition carrying it to be captured by Russia will be reverse engineered within months. The Russians will also put it in their submarines, just as we will. War forever...forever war. Adam and Satan can have it all.
@@dwaneanderson8039 once they are in drones, with local ai, preloaded with detailed mapping and hires facial recog. advanced tactics and behavioural profiles. all shielded from em?
Sorry Wes, Mr Simon is still correct. Ultra precise timing is still needed for accuracy in this internal photonic IMU for precise terminal navigation corrections. Shot noise and thermal noise are very real physics limits. External inputs are still needed.
In the late 80s I had 3 Darpa GPS receivers in my timing lab at LANL. They cost $10k each, and we had to have a code to disable the security function. The military sent a code to each receiver to reduce its accuracy to 100m from 10m. This allowed them to provide accurate time and location to our guys and sloppy seconds to enemies.
Currently the price of a GPS based Precision Guidance Kit that replaces the standard fuse on an unguided 155mm howitzer round or a 120mm mortar round goes for about $15k. Far less than the $100k that an Excalibur costs. So as long a GPS works, then those rounds are a much better value than the Excalibur at the cost of just a couple meters greater CEP. But, as pointed out, with GPS jamming and spoofing, these units have to fall back on current inertial guidance systems calibrated by whatever GPS fixes the weapon manages to get. Likely still better than a completely unguided shell, but not the same as a shell or bomb that can guide itself to a 10m or likely less CEP. But if these new inertial systems can provide such an improved accuracy and precision that GPS isn't needed, then all the cost of a hardened GPS receiver and multiple antenna can be eliminated. And if all of this can be made on a single chip that can be made in a fairly normal fab, then price of these guidance units could be greatly reduced. The current $15k per round is already very close to the price where it make sense that every round fired is precision guided. While still several times more expensive than an unguided round, the considerably fewer round required to complete a fire mission means that the cost per fire mission could be the same or even less. Also the reduction in the number of shells fired reduces wear on the barrels and reduces the size of the logistics tail. Even more important, mobile howitzers and mortar carriers would be able to shoot and scoot on every fire mission rather than just those where the target is high enough value to merit a precision guided round. This should greatly increase the chances that the gun will not be at the firing site when the counter battery fire starts landing. And most importantly the same number of guns can have the same impact on the battlefields as 10 or more times the number of the same guns firing unguided shells. Even for fire missions that call for blanketing an area to target distributed troops, unarmored or lightly armored vehicles, and ammo/supply caches, shells could be programmed to impact on a grid that assures sufficient overlap have assured lethality/destruction but without the randomness of unguided barrages where some areas are hit by far more shells than need and others aren't hit at all. It might even be possible to use artillery with guided thermobaric shells with their massive pressure wave to detonate landmines and so cut a path through a mine field without having to send an engineering vehicle out to the edge of the mine field to launch an explosive line charge that only can clear a path a 100 meters or less.
DARPA originally developed this technology and via the originators of the cooled atom technique. I worked on this program kind of on the side. I assume Sandia picked it up and improved it. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the people in the DARPA led effort may have moved to Sandia. I would be happy to look into this. I was very critical of the Navy for not agreeing to support the tech which basically killed this tech originally.
There are already ways to guide planes and missiles without gps. From advanced INS using MEMS chips and laser ring gyros, to optical flow and other self contained systems. This is an upgrade, probably, but not a game changer imho. Cool tech maybe.
The difference here being there is so much less drift that it essentially is completely negligible and is better than GPS for positioning even over extremely long durations.
Many weapons already have INS backup, but there’s a loss of accuracy at long distances. I find it kinda ironic that we’re going back to, what is basically dead reckoning. Pretty soon they’ll be breaking out the marine chronometers again.
@@smallmoneysalvia this guy is just extrapolating in a completely insane way without considering actual numbers. I don't believe it till I see it for real. Nobody else is taking about this and we are learning it from him? Who is this guy anyway? More likely, it is a development, but he is extrapolating it in a completely unrealistic way.
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Before GPS, the military used inertial navigation to guide ballistic missiles. This involve three orthogonal accelerometers to determine velocity and position by two stages of integration. Similarly, there were three orthogonal gyroscopes to determine rotations. You need both types of data to work out where you are by dead reckoning. The problem with inertial navigation systems (INS) is that they drift, and errors increase over time, by about 150 ft in 15 min. For an ICBM with a thermonuclear warhead and a flight time of 20 minutes or so, that is not much of a problem. For slower craft, like cruise missiles, you need to add some way of correcting the errors during flight. This can be done using radar and/or visual sensors to match images of the ground against an onboard map. Finally, to home in on a target, the missile/craft would match images from tv or FLIR sensors against images of the target. This was all worked out in the late 1960s early 1970s. What is reported in this video appears to be improved inertial sensors with lower drift rates. Incidentally, commercial aircraft are usually equipped with both INS and GPS. They can also determine the bearings of several radio beacons and triangulate their location.
Wes might be first to the UA-cam dinner table with this. ;) Unless the Italian already covered this. I thought GPS was always coupled with INS. The GPS keeps updating the INS until GPS signal is lost so the INS is as fresh as possible and can be used the last way to target. Seems there is a need to improve the INS in general.
Qnav is a game changer because unless you can control gravity you can’t jam it. It’s a crazy inertial guidance system that detracts variation in gravity. Which means they can map the earth above and below the earth.
It’s an extremely sensitive accelerometer so it can map out gravitational field to extreme precision. With processing, it can sense what is under the ground like tunnels or voids.
The ARES inertial navigation which was used on the MX missile was accurate to about 0.5m at max range of the MX but it was likely off by 100m due to errors in gravitational maps. I remember reading that the Germans in WW2 gave Italy a torque balance gravitometer and with this they found natural gas in 1943.
Thinking, too, of such possible scenarios as a drone capturing images of a target, and transferring that in real time to targeting software, which loads it into a munition for terminal guidance, or even vision-based "chasing"
Highly accurate inertial systems still require initial calibration to set a reference point. If the initial conditions are off or if there's any sensor misalignment, the system can accumulate errors from the start. Inertial systems provide only relative positioning. Without external references (like GPS), they cannot recalibrate or determine their absolute position.
the solution might be for "initial calibration" to take place on the apogee of the trajectory, when it is relatively far away from jamming, and use the new wonder IMU to guide it in the downward phase, that would require only sort of rough targeting by whatever is firing the shell, which is good but again, if russians do the jamming/spoofing in space, and they theoretically and practically could do it, then it will stop being effective once again, the other unknown factor is Starlink, there could be more uses to their satellites than just supplying internet
True, but it's probably meant to work together with a GPS system as a failsafe, not entirely on its own. You run this system together with a GPS receiver and an error detection system, so that you can use the GPS to calibrate it while working normally, then let it take over when the difference between the two systems says that the GPS is out of whack.
Its no better than a traditional inertial navigation they have now. Works on the same principle. These laser things are just small and robust enough to fit in a shell and be fired out of a cannon.
There are many anti GPS jamming solutions. Improved relative positioning (still relying on a precise location at launch) is one. Using ground imagery is another. Using guidance is another. So is using directional GPS source, ML, signal frequency jumping, custom positining (e.g. using ground laser), or other missile targeting systems.
My understanding is that these are not as small as you indicate. The chip still needs support equipment. I understand that the size of a functioning assembly is a bit larger than a hardball baseball. I'm not sure if that is for just 1 axis or all 3 axis's needed. DARPA has been funding at least 4 new guidance technologies with the goal of getting each axis and its support equipment down to a stand alone computer chip size and much better accuracy than GPS. I believe that there are much smaller technologies that only have about half the accuracy of the quantum system; which is accurate enough for almost all weapons platforms. It will be interesting to see which technologies under development win out in the end.
This would probably be great at detecting GPS jamming and even allow a couple of drones to home in on the source of the jamming eliminate the jamming tech.
Well, the technology available today from several sensor companies can already provide excellent inertial navigation capabilities, and, if deployed in Multi-Channel systems, for increased resolution and robustness, combined with GPS spoofing sensing, and low-cost vision based, thermal imaging based, and/or radar based terminal guidance...
Terrestrial beam antennas that provide triangulation info directed towards where its needed can give a strong and more reliable signal, particularly in the receivers are directional and can track the sources.
Laser Ring Quantum Interference INS. That is indeed a holy grail that I have been waiting for. ***NO*** signal transmission or reception needed. It is about time. Peaceful Skies
I can't wait to get one of these in my cell phone. Seriously though, quantum IMUs all seem to be room-sized things that require ridiculous refrigeration. That makes them unusable, no matter how good they are. These could be an order of magnitude better than traditional precision IMU components in a similar size. I won't expect commercialization in the next decade, but some day.
Small Stirling refrigerators have been in use on the superconducting generators of wind turbines for 10 years now (the hub weight is reduced) . They're about the size of a coke can and are made by Sumitomo. I don't think cryogenic cooling is going to be a problem. Helium based systems for near actual absolute zero have also bee around and again they are quite small.. Refrigeration is one problem that is not going to be a major issue.
It might be more accurate to say that the motion sensing especially helps vs GPS "spoofing", since it allows for comparisons which can eliminate false GPS data. That allows one to continue to use GPS for a great deal of precision in a setting where it's being messed with. When it comes to full-blown jamming, there's nothing to compare to, so you just do what you can with inertial. Though more accurate inertial sensing helps there too, yeah.
Inertial guidance/navigation on a chip - INS. Without big heavy laser gyros. It would still need to be initialized by GPS or something else close to the target. And there will be some drift after initialization. I would think its track solution would be compared to GPS and updated if there is no indication of GPS being spoofed or jammed. It's probably obvious when that happens, and the INS track is used from there on. Seems like a lot of possibilities for higher precision pointing and stabilization - gimbals etc. High bandwidth stabilization is necessary for satellite pointing and so on.
The Russians have jammed Excalibur, HIMARS and JADAMS. It would be nice to be able to get something like this functioning on the battlefield over there.
They have jamed these systems but only close to target area at which point existing inertial navigation take over. Drift rate seems to be 0.5m/sec so if the projectile is jammed in the last 30 seconds of flight error will be about 15m or so.
HIMARS accurately strikes targets near daily at this point. The only system I’ve heard be so effected by jamming that it’s a legitimate worry is GLSDB however that is a new system first ever used in Ukraine so it’s not surprising this could happen. I’m sure LM are working on a fix.
@@cadennorris960 initial navigation systems are performance specified by their drift rate. Affordable system would have a drift rate of about one nautical mile per hour. That works out 0.5 m/s. Naval systems can be 100 times better but they can’t handle the accelerations required of miss let alone artillery shells. Over the regions such as Donbass that Russia has established itself it’s been able to install thousands of jammers which they then move every few hours to avoid them being destroyed. They have been unable to do this in Kursk. The problem with GLSDB is that its flight times over enemy territory in the order of 2 1/2 minutes which means that a drift rate of 0.5 m/s and arrow of 75 m can accumulate. Speed of GMLRS makes it more accurate plus its range is less. There are inertial systems that are 5 to 10 times more accurate but they’re just not in the GLSDB probably due to expense. There are two ways around this. One is digital image scene correlation. Drones or satellites provide photographic photography images of the target and waypoints and a camera on the missile or bomb then navigate using this. The French hammer missile can do this. There also celestial Star Trek systems that will work in daylight to within about 180 m. We can expect 5 to 10 fold improvements in a navigation systems in the next few years..
I've been waiting for this counter-measure to GPS spoofing/jamming to appear. The logical answer to the vulnerabilities of GPS: just switch to an inertial guidance in the terminal phase of the weapon. More classical INU have not been accurate enough in the past - though there are ways they could improve terminal phase immunity to jamming.
It will then be able to claim that it has been battle field tested. You can trust that Ukraine if allowed to will use it to its fullest potential & demonstrate its effectiveness in the best possible light. Something a less capable & less ingenious army may not be able to do.
Hell I have a drone and software that if the GPS goes down it can find it's way using pictures of the ground. There are many option now. This same drone does not even need constant contact to fly it's mission, it's all internal mapping with instruction on when to turn, what to target and what height to fly at even if I loose signal.
It sounds like they have reduced the ring laser gyroscope to a chip. The ring laser gyroscope has been around for decades. The first time I saw it, in the early 90s, I also saw, it a little visited corner of a manufacturer's display area, a hockey puck sized object labelled a GPS jammer designed to be delivered by artillery shells. So both technologies have been around for a while.
GPS-inertial navigation was my technical field prior to retirement. Inertial alone, which is what this sensor provides, won't solve the problem. One needs some position updating from radio navigation for accuracy. But there are other radio ranging sources out there than GPS. The Ukrainians got around GPS jamming by making drones that were wire-guided and weren't at all autonomous.
If nothing else, this could be used as an extra layer of redundancy where the GPS and internal navigation position data are compared to error check the GPS fix. I doubt the military is just going to ditch GPS until this is exhaustively tested, both in terms of the technical limitations, but also the physical hardware itself.
I just watched a video about this. We're not quite there yet. It's still being developed. They've proven it's possible and that it works, but the real-world application hasn't been figured out yet.
Sandia Labs is like the Area51 of Gvt research labs.l It was originally an ATT company but they survived the breakup. And ia one of only a handful of nationalized companies
Another Application: A tiny 3D movement/location component, inside a normal device, or sewn into clothing or inside the body, could call back when suitable placed or surfaced to communicate the precise record of movements of anything, anywhere. This is a nightmare for security and secrecy when every precise position and time can be reported back once able to covertly communicate using existing technology to mask its reporting. UTILISING IT AS A KEY NAV COMPONENT IN EXPLOSIVES ENSURES IT IS DESTROYED AFTER EACH USE. Once this finds its way to our enemies. Pandora’s box just got a whole lot bigger.
Even if Ruzzia got ahold of it, they’re so far behind in computer tech that they could never hope to replicate it. China would be more of a threat, but getting an example of tech doesn’t mean you’ll be able to make it, at least if you don’t understand the science behind it.
There's no guarantee that these sensors can't be affected by interference of some form. Microchips are generally sensitive to EM radiation and something like this will have to be supersensitive so it might not be possible to shield it completely. Anyway, if these start to be produced in any quantities, even if only for military applications, you can be sure that some will end up in foreign hands and we'll find out soon after how resistant to interference they are.
Einstein-Bose condensate is I believe required. This supercooled state of matter is not going to be easy to deploy on missiles: 155 mm howitzer shells such as Excalibur being even more difficult. Similarly the small size of the laser/GPS receiver on the strap on JDAMS for small diameter ordinance will be an issue. Hope all this can solved for any new peer adversary conflict such as in the South China Sea.
Searches the internet: "How to best counter GPS Jamming?" Search results: *Shows all the poor or mediocre solutions The ad: "Meet local MoAMS in your area"
An arm sbc running yolo 9 is super cheap in bulk, if the mil could get it's shit together and write decent software at a grad student level, they could have targeting 100x better than inertial guidance for $10 a shot.
It's not a Compass. A compass depends on the earth's magnetic field to give direction. It's a Quantum Gyrometer! Gyrometer senses motion (acceleration) to give direction independent of any external magnetic field and is the sensor found in Inertial Measurement Units (IMUs).
3:56 That's not military, that's a falcon 9 rocket photographed with a lot of zoom. That white cloud is not smoke, it's condensation at around 10km high.
This is all good, great and impressive..as so much of Sandia BIG brains usually do. Now let's get all the non-US citizens OUT of those labs before we find these product available in Shanghai
Don’t need GPS. Can go offline and the data from the vehicle accurately confirms the position closely. Nothing to spoof if the projectile leaves from a known map,position, and is told to go to a certain position. So,long as it can use sensors to confirm altitude and speed and direction, just like any airplane does, and feed that data back to its own processor. Pretty sure a DIY’r could put together a model plan that could follow a map app route if it feeds back speed and direction, altitude etc
That's exactly what they do with these new sensors. The difference is precision. Airplanes, submarines etc. can already do this with high precision but they use laser gyros as sensors which are bulky and expensive.
If the GPS satellites get eliminated for any reason, they may be the best aiming system we will have. As in all weapons systems, they don't dominate for too long before enemies find defenses for it, and offensive uses as well, there will be our own defenses for our own technology and the next new things for any systems in development.
Picard: "Geordi, how can we overcome the transporter beam interference? "
LaForge: "Well Captain, I could try tying the quantum based silicon photonic modulator into the Heisenberg compensators. That should boost the signal."
Picard: "Make it so."
right there with the di-lithium anti-matter warp drive and FTL subspace comms in reality. Cochran hasn't been born yet apparently.
@@joelobryan1212 Well we already have subspace coms, so does China.
You made me smile friend.
dude, what about the tachyon beams? is this your first day?
@@mrpopulistless Oh theres that Temporal Prime Directive problem again.
I was just watching a UA-cam video yesterday on this technology. It’s pretty sophisticated. A little bit different as they use a cloud of electrons and aimed 6 lasers from different directions to keep the electrons floating. Went above my head after that part lol
extremely accurate inertial guidance system.
Yeah russia designed this, like the B29 bomber and everything else in technological society. US just copies everything from russia and claims it as its own lol
Sounds spooky advanced.
@@Chez8922-kf6cy Not spooky just math heavy, GPS is also insanely math heavy.
It is based on the physics of Bose-Einstein Condensate using laser harmonics. It uses energy harmonics and collapses the atom cloud to a condensate close to 0 Kelvin, then uses laser interferometry to determine the orientation changes of the condensate mass relative to it's initial orientation. Ironically this research was started by civil aviation to deal with how much GPS spamming and spoofing has been affecting navigation in the approach phase (safety of life issue) which has been going for much longer than Russian jamming of GPS signals in the Ukraine war. I was wondering how quickly the DoD would jump on this, glad to see that it has been quick. Another improvement over Laser Ring or Fiber Optic gyros will be that Quantum Laser Interferometry likely will not be affect by Schuler oscillations as Laser Reference Frame Acceleration Interferometers are subject to perturbations from. I am curious to see how quickly they get fielded in weapons and LRUs.
Conclusion: A quantum compass contains clouds of atoms frozen using lasers. By measuring the movement of these frozen particles over precise periods of time the motion of the device can be calculated. The device would then provide accurate position in circumstances where satellites are not available for satellite navigation, e.g. a fully submerged submarine.
Ah. So it's a glorified INS, then?
'Freezing' isn't doing it justice. The atoms are cooled down to within a few billionths of absolute zero. This changes the actual state of matter from a solid to a Bose-Einstein condensate. It may be the lowest energy state of matter.
@@bcubed72 its a perfect INS.
I think you got this one wrong, what you have just described was a system being presented by Oxford University in UK, that was recently shown here in YT.
However, this video shows a totally different thing (without actually explaining a darn thing), basically a much more capable onchip laser, capable of working with an onchip ring laser gyroscope, the more pure the frequency the more precise the measurement. This one being much more practical, constantly working (instead of pulsed) not requiring vacuum chamber neither a cryostat, etc
BTW, yes, it's still a INS but this one uses a much more well established technology.
@@bcubed72INS?
I lived in Ukraine for a couple of years. Amazing experience :-) still have many many friends there and some who have moved here.
Sounds like a massive leap forward over the anticipated, but still useful inertial navigation system.
Great channel, Wes. I'm glad I found it. Very informative!
These will be an absolute game-changer if they can be made cheap, reliable and in volume. Imagine if every single rocket, heavy mortar round and bomb was a precision guided munition.
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Let’s just hope we don’t have CCP spies infiltrating Sandy to get this next gen navigation tech.
They'll get it anyway. In a few years you'll have this in your cellphone.
Russian spies at Los Alamos gave the atomic bomb design to Stalin before Hiroshima. Of course they'll get this tech as well, and the first munition carrying it to be captured by Russia will be reverse engineered within months.
The Russians will also put it in their submarines, just as we will.
War forever...forever war. Adam and Satan can have it all.
@@dwaneanderson8039 once they are in drones, with local ai, preloaded with detailed mapping and hires facial recog. advanced tactics and behavioural profiles. all shielded from em?
This is not actually new. This technology goes back to the 1970s.
@@dwaneanderson8039 Not the same as hacking the program or getting someone to send you all the data on the technology.
Sorry Wes, Mr Simon is still correct. Ultra precise timing is still needed for accuracy in this internal photonic IMU for precise terminal navigation corrections. Shot noise and thermal noise are very real physics limits. External inputs are still needed.
In the late 80s I had 3 Darpa GPS receivers in my timing lab at LANL. They cost $10k each, and we had to have a code to disable the security function. The military sent a code to each receiver to reduce its accuracy to 100m from 10m. This allowed them to provide accurate time and location to our guys and sloppy seconds to enemies.
and then Obamacare came along and gave everyone globally access to the system... wonder why he'd do that.
Special availability is what this was called and the Clinton Administration ended it in 2000 I believe.
Currently the price of a GPS based Precision Guidance Kit that replaces the standard fuse on an unguided 155mm howitzer round or a 120mm mortar round goes for about $15k. Far less than the $100k that an Excalibur costs. So as long a GPS works, then those rounds are a much better value than the Excalibur at the cost of just a couple meters greater CEP. But, as pointed out, with GPS jamming and spoofing, these units have to fall back on current inertial guidance systems calibrated by whatever GPS fixes the weapon manages to get. Likely still better than a completely unguided shell, but not the same as a shell or bomb that can guide itself to a 10m or likely less CEP.
But if these new inertial systems can provide such an improved accuracy and precision that GPS isn't needed, then all the cost of a hardened GPS receiver and multiple antenna can be eliminated. And if all of this can be made on a single chip that can be made in a fairly normal fab, then price of these guidance units could be greatly reduced. The current $15k per round is already very close to the price where it make sense that every round fired is precision guided. While still several times more expensive than an unguided round, the considerably fewer round required to complete a fire mission means that the cost per fire mission could be the same or even less. Also the reduction in the number of shells fired reduces wear on the barrels and reduces the size of the logistics tail. Even more important, mobile howitzers and mortar carriers would be able to shoot and scoot on every fire mission rather than just those where the target is high enough value to merit a precision guided round. This should greatly increase the chances that the gun will not be at the firing site when the counter battery fire starts landing. And most importantly the same number of guns can have the same impact on the battlefields as 10 or more times the number of the same guns firing unguided shells.
Even for fire missions that call for blanketing an area to target distributed troops, unarmored or lightly armored vehicles, and ammo/supply caches, shells could be programmed to impact on a grid that assures sufficient overlap have assured lethality/destruction but without the randomness of unguided barrages where some areas are hit by far more shells than need and others aren't hit at all. It might even be possible to use artillery with guided thermobaric shells with their massive pressure wave to detonate landmines and so cut a path through a mine field without having to send an engineering vehicle out to the edge of the mine field to launch an explosive line charge that only can clear a path a 100 meters or less.
Apparently, due to the extreme inertial forces, GPS kits on 155's have a high failure rate.
the use case for kamakazi drone swarms is also a big i think.
That’s a huge IF
I doubt atmosphere pressure wave will trigger a spring loaded or pre-stressed mechanism in a landmine.
it actually goes for around 300$ for russia. Excalibur cost 100$k anyone will say i prefer 300 shells vs 1 guided.
DARPA originally developed this technology and via the originators of the cooled atom technique. I worked on this program kind of on the side. I assume Sandia picked it up and improved it. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the people in the DARPA led effort may have moved to Sandia. I would be happy to look into this. I was very critical of the Navy for not agreeing to support the tech which basically killed this tech originally.
There are already ways to guide planes and missiles without gps. From advanced INS using MEMS chips and laser ring gyros, to optical flow and other self contained systems. This is an upgrade, probably, but not a game changer imho. Cool tech maybe.
The difference here being there is so much less drift that it essentially is completely negligible and is better than GPS for positioning even over extremely long durations.
Many weapons already have INS backup, but there’s a loss of accuracy at long distances. I find it kinda ironic that we’re going back to, what is basically dead reckoning. Pretty soon they’ll be breaking out the marine chronometers again.
@@ClockworksOfGL h4 back in action? lol
@@smallmoneysalvia this guy is just extrapolating in a completely insane way without considering actual numbers. I don't believe it till I see it for real. Nobody else is taking about this and we are learning it from him? Who is this guy anyway? More likely, it is a development, but he is extrapolating it in a completely unrealistic way.
Excalibur INS seems to only work on the Boeing Brochure...
Interesting video Mr. O'Donnell. Nicely done presentation. I have also read downward here taking in the various discussions by the commenters.
I found that to be equally fascinating. Thank you.
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Before GPS, the military used inertial navigation to guide ballistic missiles.
This involve three orthogonal accelerometers to determine velocity and position by two stages of integration.
Similarly, there were three orthogonal gyroscopes to determine rotations.
You need both types of data to work out where you are by dead reckoning.
The problem with inertial navigation systems (INS) is that they drift, and errors increase over time, by about 150 ft in 15 min.
For an ICBM with a thermonuclear warhead and a flight time of 20 minutes or so, that is not much of a problem.
For slower craft, like cruise missiles, you need to add some way of correcting the errors during flight.
This can be done using radar and/or visual sensors to match images of the ground against an onboard map.
Finally, to home in on a target, the missile/craft would match images from tv or FLIR sensors against images of the target.
This was all worked out in the late 1960s early 1970s.
What is reported in this video appears to be improved inertial sensors with lower drift rates.
Incidentally, commercial aircraft are usually equipped with both INS and GPS.
They can also determine the bearings of several radio beacons and triangulate their location.
Using laser-guided munitions is so much more satisfying than GPS in DCS. I hope this means targeting pods get better.
Omg. Quantum gyros... never thought I'd see the day
Wes might be first to the UA-cam dinner table with this. ;) Unless the Italian already covered this.
I thought GPS was always coupled with INS. The GPS keeps updating the INS until GPS signal is lost so the INS is as fresh as possible and can be used the last way to target. Seems there is a need to improve the INS in general.
Thanks Wes
Qnav is a game changer because unless you can control gravity you can’t jam it. It’s a crazy inertial guidance system that detracts variation in gravity. Which means they can map the earth above and below the earth.
This is perfect! Smart guys at SN Labs.
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It’s an extremely sensitive accelerometer so it can map out gravitational field to extreme precision. With processing, it can sense what is under the ground like tunnels or voids.
The ARES inertial navigation which was used on the MX missile was accurate to about 0.5m at max range of the MX but it was likely off by 100m due to errors in gravitational maps.
I remember reading that the Germans in WW2 gave Italy a torque balance gravitometer and with this they found natural gas in 1943.
Thanks!
Thinking, too, of such possible scenarios as a drone capturing images of a target, and transferring that in real time to targeting software, which loads it into a munition for terminal guidance, or even vision-based "chasing"
Highly accurate inertial systems still require initial calibration to set a reference point. If the initial conditions are off or if there's any sensor misalignment, the system can accumulate errors from the start. Inertial systems provide only relative positioning. Without external references (like GPS), they cannot recalibrate or determine their absolute position.
Excellent explanation.
the solution might be for "initial calibration" to take place on the apogee of the trajectory, when it is relatively far away from jamming, and use the new wonder IMU to guide it in the downward phase, that would require only sort of rough targeting by whatever is firing the shell, which is good
but again, if russians do the jamming/spoofing in space, and they theoretically and practically could do it, then it will stop being effective once again, the other unknown factor is Starlink, there could be more uses to their satellites than just supplying internet
True, but it's probably meant to work together with a GPS system as a failsafe, not entirely on its own. You run this system together with a GPS receiver and an error detection system, so that you can use the GPS to calibrate it while working normally, then let it take over when the difference between the two systems says that the GPS is out of whack.
@@haraldthino the system can be activated in the location of manufacturing, and powered by radioactive battery! 50 years is enough time for it!
@@haraldthi Exactly. As long as the first part of flight (or a specified part of flight) has GPS then the IN will do the rest.
Probably works well in maritime applications, too.
Its no better than a traditional inertial navigation they have now. Works on the same principle. These laser things are just small and robust enough to fit in a shell and be fired out of a cannon.
ditto Bravo dude
There are many anti GPS jamming solutions. Improved relative positioning (still relying on a precise location at launch) is one. Using ground imagery is another. Using guidance is another. So is using directional GPS source, ML, signal frequency jumping, custom positining (e.g. using ground laser), or other missile targeting systems.
very informative. tx
My understanding is that these are not as small as you indicate. The chip still needs support equipment. I understand that the size of a functioning assembly is a bit larger than a hardball baseball. I'm not sure if that is for just 1 axis or all 3 axis's needed.
DARPA has been funding at least 4 new guidance technologies with the goal of getting each axis and its support equipment down to a stand alone computer chip size and much better accuracy than GPS. I believe that there are much smaller technologies that only have about half the accuracy of the quantum system; which is accurate enough for almost all weapons platforms.
It will be interesting to see which technologies under development win out in the end.
It's called "dead reckoning". It has been used as guidance of all things military since the '50s.
This would probably be great at detecting GPS jamming and even allow a couple of drones to home in on the source of the jamming eliminate the jamming tech.
Well, the technology available today from several sensor companies can already provide excellent inertial navigation capabilities, and, if deployed in Multi-Channel systems, for increased resolution and robustness, combined with GPS spoofing sensing, and low-cost vision based, thermal imaging based, and/or radar based terminal guidance...
Terrestrial beam antennas that provide triangulation info directed towards where its needed can give a strong and more reliable signal, particularly in the receivers are directional and can track the sources.
Sounds like the navigation method used back in the day of sailing ships. If you know speed and time you can calculate from point A to Point B.
Thx wes😊
We need that in our computers for Infantry and logistical vehicles so cool wow😊
Laser Ring Quantum Interference INS. That is indeed a holy grail that I have been waiting for. ***NO*** signal transmission or reception needed. It is about time.
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This is fantastic news! 👍
I can't wait to get one of these in my cell phone. Seriously though, quantum IMUs all seem to be room-sized things that require ridiculous refrigeration. That makes them unusable, no matter how good they are. These could be an order of magnitude better than traditional precision IMU components in a similar size. I won't expect commercialization in the next decade, but some day.
Small Stirling refrigerators have been in use on the superconducting generators of wind turbines for 10 years now (the hub weight is reduced) . They're about the size of a coke can and are made by Sumitomo. I don't think cryogenic cooling is going to be a problem. Helium based systems for near actual absolute zero have also bee around and again they are quite small.. Refrigeration is one problem that is not going to be a major issue.
Good news !
We have been using this technology for over 100 years. Our ability to make it small is the new deal maker
Laser gyros have been around for 50 years. Size matters
Fascinating
It might be more accurate to say that the motion sensing especially helps vs GPS "spoofing", since it allows for comparisons which can eliminate false GPS data. That allows one to continue to use GPS for a great deal of precision in a setting where it's being messed with.
When it comes to full-blown jamming, there's nothing to compare to, so you just do what you can with inertial. Though more accurate inertial sensing helps there too, yeah.
for me as a polish citizen its first time when i hear american native speaking russian. admirable!
*NICE!!* 😀 😀 Make it happen *SOON!!*
Inertial guidance/navigation on a chip - INS. Without big heavy laser gyros. It would still need to be initialized by GPS or something else close to the target. And there will be some drift after initialization. I would think its track solution would be compared to GPS and updated if there is no indication of GPS being spoofed or jammed. It's probably obvious when that happens, and the INS track is used from there on.
Seems like a lot of possibilities for higher precision pointing and stabilization - gimbals etc. High bandwidth stabilization is necessary for satellite pointing and so on.
The Russians have jammed Excalibur, HIMARS and JADAMS. It would be nice to be able to get something like this functioning on the battlefield over there.
They have jamed these systems but only close to target area at which point existing inertial navigation take over. Drift rate seems to be 0.5m/sec so if the projectile is jammed in the last 30 seconds of flight error will be about 15m or so.
HIMARS accurately strikes targets near daily at this point. The only system I’ve heard be so effected by jamming that it’s a legitimate worry is GLSDB however that is a new system first ever used in Ukraine so it’s not surprising this could happen. I’m sure LM are working on a fix.
@@cadennorris960 initial navigation systems are performance specified by their drift rate. Affordable system would have a drift rate of about one nautical mile per hour. That works out 0.5 m/s. Naval systems can be 100 times better but they can’t handle the accelerations required of miss let alone artillery shells. Over the regions such as Donbass that Russia has established itself it’s been able to install thousands of jammers which they then move every few hours to avoid them being destroyed. They have been unable to do this in Kursk. The problem with GLSDB is that its flight times over enemy territory in the order of 2 1/2 minutes which means that a drift rate of 0.5 m/s and arrow of 75 m can accumulate. Speed of GMLRS makes it more accurate plus its range is less. There are inertial systems that are 5 to 10 times more accurate but they’re just not in the GLSDB probably due to expense. There are two ways around this. One is digital image scene correlation. Drones or satellites provide photographic photography images of the target and waypoints and a camera on the missile or bomb then navigate using this. The French hammer missile can do this. There also celestial Star Trek systems that will work in daylight to within about 180 m. We can expect 5 to 10 fold improvements in a navigation systems in the next few years..
Decibels are a measurement for power of electromagnetic signals
I've been waiting for this counter-measure to GPS spoofing/jamming to appear. The logical answer to the vulnerabilities of GPS: just switch to an inertial guidance in the terminal phase of the weapon. More classical INU have not been accurate enough in the past - though there are ways they could improve terminal phase immunity to jamming.
I heard about this technology ... instantly knew it will have big implications for weapon industry.
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This technology is a long ways away from getting productized.
You wish.
The west will always win. This is why.
It will then be able to claim that it has been battle field tested. You can trust that Ukraine if allowed to will use it to its fullest potential & demonstrate its effectiveness in the best possible light. Something a less capable & less ingenious army may not be able to do.
You have explained how it achieve its success. No longer a secret .
Hell I have a drone and software that if the GPS goes down it can find it's way using pictures of the ground. There are many option now. This same drone does not even need constant contact to fly it's mission, it's all internal mapping with instruction on when to turn, what to target and what height to fly at even if I loose signal.
Lockheed Martin had miniature inertial navigation system for years. And the price was high because it's a defence product.
It sounds like they have reduced the ring laser gyroscope to a chip. The ring laser gyroscope has been around for decades. The first time I saw it, in the early 90s, I also saw, it a little visited corner of a manufacturer's display area, a hockey puck sized object labelled a GPS jammer designed to be delivered by artillery shells. So both technologies have been around for a while.
Excellent news
This is so good 😊
A voice of democracy, thank you
The new GAME CHANGER
GPS-inertial navigation was my technical field prior to retirement. Inertial alone, which is what this sensor provides, won't solve the problem. One needs some position updating from radio navigation for accuracy. But there are other radio ranging sources out there than GPS. The Ukrainians got around GPS jamming by making drones that were wire-guided and weren't at all autonomous.
If nothing else, this could be used as an extra layer of redundancy where the GPS and internal navigation position data are compared to error check the GPS fix. I doubt the military is just going to ditch GPS until this is exhaustively tested, both in terms of the technical limitations, but also the physical hardware itself.
I just watched a video about this. We're not quite there yet. It's still being developed. They've proven it's possible and that it works, but the real-world application hasn't been figured out yet.
Did you get the impression that it's actually "quantum" related, or is that just hype in this case?
How long before Apple includes in #17 or 18?
They can also use AI and simpler terrain map navigation.
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Sandia Labs is like the Area51 of Gvt research labs.l It was originally an ATT company but they survived the breakup. And ia one of only a handful of nationalized companies
Another Application: A tiny 3D movement/location component, inside a normal device, or sewn into clothing or inside the body, could call back when suitable placed or surfaced to communicate the precise record of movements of anything, anywhere. This is a nightmare for security and secrecy when every precise position and time can be reported back once able to covertly communicate using existing technology to mask its reporting.
UTILISING IT AS A KEY NAV COMPONENT IN EXPLOSIVES ENSURES IT IS DESTROYED AFTER EACH USE. Once this finds its way to our enemies. Pandora’s box just got a whole lot bigger.
Would this also incorporate the retro encabulator? It sure sounds that way.
No. The retro encabulator is far to heavy for these applications. Heck, the pre-fabulated amulite alone weighs more than 40 lbs all by itself.
Why would the US want Russia to get ahold of its next-generation quantum motion sensor?
Even if Ruzzia got ahold of it, they’re so far behind in computer tech that they could never hope to replicate it. China would be more of a threat, but getting an example of tech doesn’t mean you’ll be able to make it, at least if you don’t understand the science behind it.
@@bluemarlin8138china and russia could work together, dont underestimate your enemy
@@stevelobs6601 china literally steals and attempts to copy all USA tech and turns out shittier versions of it. nothing new here
Does this replace gyroscope-based inertial navigation systems ?
easy to jam with magnetic, gravity, and mass waves. Since it still is using waves outside for guidance.
Alignment can be done before the weapons are loaded weather at an airbase or a surveyed firing point.
Alignment will be the issue. It doesn't matter how accurate an accelerometer is unless you have true north.
There's no guarantee that these sensors can't be affected by interference of some form.
Microchips are generally sensitive to EM radiation and something like this will have to be supersensitive so it might not be possible to shield it completely. Anyway, if these start to be produced in any quantities, even if only for military applications, you can be sure that some will end up in foreign hands and we'll find out soon after how resistant to interference they are.
imagine this tech being incorporated in phones and watches. the battery life will improve drastically not to mention perfect navigation underground.
Compass, Map & Stop Watch, The Old fashioned way! The Non-Hackable backup!
They're making something for missiles and drones, so they can navigate to targets without needing radio contact with GPS.
Einstein-Bose condensate is I believe required. This supercooled state of matter is not going to be easy to deploy on missiles: 155 mm howitzer shells such as Excalibur being even more difficult. Similarly the small size of the laser/GPS receiver on the strap on JDAMS for small diameter ordinance will be an issue. Hope all this can solved for any new peer adversary conflict such as in the South China Sea.
does it replace an IMU inertial measurement unit?
If this technology is inexpensive, then don't let defense contractors get their hands on it.
Ukrainian army is LEGENDARY
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Search results: *Shows all the poor or mediocre solutions
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An arm sbc running yolo 9 is super cheap in bulk, if the mil could get it's shit together and write decent software at a grad student level, they could have targeting 100x better than inertial guidance for $10 a shot.
It's not a Compass. A compass depends on the earth's magnetic field to give direction. It's a Quantum Gyrometer! Gyrometer senses motion (acceleration) to give direction independent of any external magnetic field and is the sensor found in Inertial Measurement Units (IMUs).
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Wasn't this a plot line on The Big Bang Theory? lol
Testing electronic devices in an artillery shell? That's what I call rigorous!
Great. Now drones could become jam proof too. Lovely.
All it took was a software update for JDAMS, HIMARS & Excalibur to defeat Russian jamming. The SDBs were immune the entire time.
Making it a piece of cake for Skynet to take you out.
3:56 That's not military, that's a falcon 9 rocket photographed with a lot of zoom. That white cloud is not smoke, it's condensation at around 10km high.
Wow, the show Big Bang theory called this year ago… With their quantum vortices generator.
Remember when a gyro flying a plane to a city was high tech? lol
It’s just a fancy gyroscope we’ve had this for years plenty of missiles don’t need GPS.
Light is the new chip !
Worked around photos for decades and this is just the beginning
The Dip Gyro! Finally!
This is all good, great and impressive..as so much of Sandia BIG brains usually do. Now let's get all the non-US citizens OUT of those labs before we find these product available in Shanghai
So I need to modulate the frequency of the Tachyon pulse from the deflector shield is that what You’re saying
She'll not take it, Captain.
Don’t need GPS. Can go offline and the data from the vehicle accurately confirms the position closely. Nothing to spoof if the projectile leaves from a known map,position, and is told to go to a certain position. So,long as it can use sensors to confirm altitude and speed and direction, just like any airplane does, and feed that data back to its own processor. Pretty sure a DIY’r could put together a model plan that could follow a map app route if it feeds back speed and direction, altitude etc
That's exactly what they do with these new sensors. The difference is precision. Airplanes, submarines etc. can already do this with high precision but they use laser gyros as sensors which are bulky and expensive.
If the GPS satellites get eliminated for any reason, they may be the best aiming system we will have.
As in all weapons systems, they don't dominate for too long before enemies find defenses for it, and offensive uses as well, there will be our own defenses for our own technology and the next new things for any systems in development.