DIY Sound Absorbing Drum Riser
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- Опубліковано 9 тра 2024
- In this video I will show you how to make a drim riser that absorbs the sound and vibrations from playing your electronic drums. The benefit to owning edrums is the ability to play whenever you want. If you have downstairs neighbors you probably had to be mindful of when you play and how long you play for. I built this platform and no longer have to worry about noise complaints!
I was skeptical at first because of the different reviews and threads about noise isolation but have been complaint free for over a month since building this!
Supplies:
- Two Layers of MDF Board (3/4" thick)
- Tennis Balls
- Rock Wool Insulation
- Large Cable Ties (175 lb tensile strength)
- 2" Hole Saw Drill Bit
- 1/2" or 5/8" drill bit (depending on size of cable ties)
- Carpet Padding (measured for platform)
- Utility Carpet (measured for platform
Fabric/Furniture Nails or staples
- various tools (utility blade/scissors, drill, clamps, hammer, straight edge, measuring tape) - Навчання та стиль
"you walk too loud" wow. That's some neighbour you have there. Charming.
some people do walk too loud lol...some people cant help but heel stomp all over the place.
karens be like...
I’d better say that’s some insulation your building have there.
I live in an apartment with no insulation on the ceiling, this is straight concrete, and my upstairs neighbor can’t help striking her heels when she walks. It produces a low frequency noise all over the building. I even feel the vibrations, even while siting on a chair. I told her two times about it already and she keeps doing it. That low frequency stomp is so huge that even ear plugs become useless. She wakes me up in the middle of the nigh every single time she puts a foot on the ground. So yeah, I would be the first one saying “you walk too loud”.
It just unbelievable that 20 yo kids take their first apartment but even after sending two letter and talking dozens of times with the landlord, they still fail to realize they are making a lot of noise and disturbs everyone around them, and are doing absolutely nothing to reduce or stop the noise. It’s been six months I’m hearing footsteps, objects falling and rolling on the floor, and the high pitched noise of grinding chairs at freaking TWO A.M.
I now suffer from depression because of that, and I even hear the sounds in my dreams that wake me up brutally, even when the neighbors aren’t there, so yeah, now I tell people YOU WALK SO FUCKING LOUDLY.
You get the point 😉
@@louisrmusic I would also like to add that learning to subconsciously walk quietly all the time when you’re in your apartment takes absolutely no effort. Learning to walk properly without slamming your heel down like a hammer should be common sense, but alas.
Yeah some people do walk to loud as they stomp.
Thank you so much for this, you helped built my own riser that neighbors are happy with so far! Great ideas!
Great video and good idea to use insulation, seen videos of tennis ball risers and they leave the area between the balls clear. I like your take on it with the insulation. Thank you, your instructions where helpful.
That is really well done, Neat, thanks for sharing it!
Blessings Mike. Thank you for sharing. We really appreciate you taking the time to produce this video.
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Very well explained. Thank you very much, bro!
good idea with the rockwool, no other video has tried that. I'll be using this video as my guide
Cam Par Thanks! Let me know how it comes out
That is a sweet riser!
Awesome ! 🥁
My neighbor is above me and they complained about the sound, to them it was a disturbing banging noise!!!!, great video, I will adopt the concept.
Thanks for this video. Great explanation.
dude this was a great video :)
65 Drums thanks man!
Great video, I’ve got the same problem with the kick pedal.... subscribed , good luck with the channel👍🏻🥁
Clear, well-done video, thanks.
Thank you
I have just finished my own platform thank you so much ..you gave me a great inspiration 🙏🏻
You're welcome...I hope it's working well for you!
Hard or soft tennisballs? 😅
Great video and your downstairs neighbor is lucky to have a courteous man like yourself living above her. Thanks again for a great video.
Thank you my friend
Thanks for sharing, i can relate will make one soon,
Four minutes turned into four weeks which in turn turned into four years. I will build a more or less identical drum riser to yours and that will hopefully be enough to stop my neighbour from being bothered by my playing. The house is more than one hundred and fifty years old though 😜
Dude this is solid I'm currently using a Rolland SPD-SX with KT-9 kick pedal. Now I have hope when I decide to get a full electric kick super solid design.
Thanks for checking it out!
Thanks so much just built mine! Hopefully it works 🤞
did it work??????
Very cool video!
Just… amazing!
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@@laurabrown1971 lmao you are spamming videos with this comment
Amazing video! Thanks!
Hey man, just want to say big thanks for making this video. I just finished building mine, and this was an extremely helpful guide. We’ll see what the downstairs neighbors think!
Any word on if it works?
Yeah how did it work for you? Please let us know...it worked wonders for me.
Did it work for u?
any update?
Did it?
Looks awesome man! I'm going to be building one of my own as well. A Quick question. is it really important to have 2 layers of MDF board? and did you cut the tennis ball holes in both layers? thanks!
dude, this is exactly what i need to build...i played for 3 days on my new kit, and on the 3rd day my neighbour under me came up and moaned...bare in mind ive had wild parties for years and he has never complained once :) the kick drum is the main culprit i think...i'll do a small board with balls just to test it, if that goes ok i'll try the full riser....cheers man. hopefully i wont get evicted lol....
DEADASTRONAUTFX haha good luck!
Blue Line Drums , hi man, got my 2 mdf boards drilled etc....just waiting on 15 tennis balls to arrive.... when you placed the balls between and added the tie clips, did you pull the clips really tight or slightly loose???..cheers.
I pulled the ties tight enough so the tennis balls were snug against the boards but not so tight that they were being compressed. Hope this helps!
Blue Line Drums , yup thought so....cheers man.
yay, i built the same way you did, but i also put half balls on the corners underneath for good measure....when tested with a seismic vibration app there was no vibration coming down to floor whatsoever, even with my mate kicking the hell out of the kit....so, yup, totally worth doing man....cheers dude. happy drumming. :)
Good video.
Hello bro, great video, do you buy your cymbals? or you made it?, can you make a video talking about it?
So I just began this project for myself.. picked up all of the equipment from Lowes and Target, and one huge warning for anyone else who is going to take this on: make sure you have enough man power to carry the MDF board(s) up your steps. I'm not the most out of shape guy - I spent a good chunk of my adult life doing heavy physical labor for a living. But it took not one, but two of my neighbors to help me carry my two boards (same size as mentioned in the video) up to my 2nd floor apartment (no elevator, just stairs). And of course I had to pick them up and load them in a truck myself, too.
And no, I couldn't really have cut them on the ground floor because it's pretty much just parking lot and not safe (and possibly not legal) for me to cut the boards there. I suppose if I had known how heavy the boards were, I would have had Lowes cut them down for me before picking them up.
Just an FYI for anyone who might be in the same living situation as I am.
Yes they are quite heavy! Sorry I wasn't as clear about that as I could have been
Great! I use that as a template for my own raiser and I have already bought everything for it ;).
6:20 Did I understand correctly that the more balls are used, the worse the sound absorption becomes? Because I planned to put in more than 13 ... (more like 23)
Great job man! I really appreciate this video. Quick question, if I stuff it with insulation and put more insulation than you did, it probably would be better right? And also curious enough it's still working to this day? I live in a connected house and 2 minutes in to playing a silent kit. He freaked on me so looking to get an electronic kit and build this rise or so he has no complaint
I need to see more of those Pintech transparent cymbals
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@@laurabrown1971 Wow (facepalm)
Nice job! Did you glue the carpet pad down underneath the carpet?
thanks for the video! just a tip but sitting on the platform increases the tension/rigidity in the tennis balls and so increases the vibration that makes it through. also for only a bit more cash can swap tennis balls with sorbothane which will reduce things more
Thanks for the tip!
What thickness for the sorbothane?
I presume the sorbothane would have to be very thick?
5:50 "MDF is dense and heavy and I believe you need some weight to your platform to handle the vibration..." (slightly paraphrased).
MDF manages vibration far better than plywood because unlike plywood MDF is soft and absorbant. That's why a primary use for it is in the building of speaker boxes, cabinets and stacks - the vibrations caused by the sound are canceled out so as not to complete with it.
However, don't spill any fluids on it or it will be destroyed due to that very absorbency factor I mentioned
Watched several similar vids today after the visit from a lady living downstairs :) Thanx, one of the best ones, will take your experience in account. Still no troubles with the neighbors?
No problems still! I hope it worked out for you
Awesome video! I actually ended up here in an attempt to reduce the noise that comes from my digital piano keys. The vibration goes straight through the floor and upsets my neighbor 🤷🏼♂️ I noticed you have a digital piano right next to your drum platform do you have that issue with key vibrations as well??
Hey, thanks for posting this DIY! :) I have 1 question please - how big are the holes for the tennis balls? I know it says 2", but that seems too big since the tennis balls are around 2,5" in diameter? Help please! I live in an apartment with thin, hollow walls😅😂😂
Please clarify...Did you wrap utility carpet completely around the assembled riser? Top, bottom, and sides? And how and where did you purchase the utility carpet? Did you have it cut at the store or did you purchase pre-cut size(s)? And finally, is that a carpeted floor in the room to begin with or is that a hard floor (wood, vinyl, etc)? Thanks!
Out of curiosity, what’s make a model is the drill you used?
I weigh 300 lbs, lbs:) Will 13 be enough tennis balls, without them becoming too rigid or compressed? Excellent concept btw!
Which cymbals are those? They look fancy...Pintech Visulite?
I want to make a tennis ball riser for my treadmill. Do you think the 13 tennis balls would be enough to distribute the weight or would you do more? I was planning to do the checkered layout with 3 on the short side and 4 on the long side, totaling 18. Great video and thanks!
It will depend on how heavy the treadmill is...the trick is to have just the right amount of balance of squish and support. A few more tennis balls would probably be fine with the heavier treadmill.
Awesome job! Any idea how heavy this thing is?
thanks! Its quite heavy...not sure of the exact weight but when I have to move it I'll be getting assistance from a friend and hopefully a hand truck
Cut in halve I think the tennisballs are more effective. Balls are softer then because of aircompression.
Hi, thanks for the video. Will this work without the rockwool? Our budget is tight! I've seen it built by others without the rockwool...
I would like to know too. Or what to use instead of it - i only need a few straps but all shops sell a huge package, i wouldn't know what to do with the rest of it.
Great video, wish you had a cutaway that shows each layer!
Me too...this video was somewhat of an after thought when I realized it actually was working
Great video.. 1 question, do the white thing infront is a heater? a fan? ac?
The baseboard heater?
I used 4 Wheelbarrow inner tubes I got at home depot $10 a peace . Under my tennis ball riser ( I use your video to make it thank you ) now 0 vibrations make it to the floor. I probably will get rid of the tennis ball riser . It's a little bit to tall and just use the inner tubes they work way better.
Good idea but questions:
1- how do you stop the tubes from moving around?
2- don't the tubes lose air every month or so, thus have to pump back up?
This is exactly what I was planning too. Zero vibration sound about right, compared to a pretty hard tennis ball, especially when compressed. Can you update us 3 years later on how it's holding up? Has it deflated a few times?
Great video thank you!
I'm on the top floor (fourth floor) of my apartment. I got the Roland Noise Eaters, but I still got complaints by my neighbor. Do you think this platform would mitigate my issue if the Noise Eaters (which have gotten good reviews) didn't? Thanks!
When I built this I was also considering purchasing the Noise Eaters. Decided just to use my platform and it has been successful for me on the 3rd floor with no complaints
Blue line drums I am just curious if you spoke with your down stairs neighbor after you built this riser?
I did. Actually ran into her in front of the building where she brought it up and thanked me. 7 months later and no complaints
Do you do feel the rockwool insulation added anything to this ?
I did exactly the same thing : it’s quite working in term of impact noise réduction BUT:
1/ let the platform edges free or wood in order not to create resonating box (mistake i made) so not so sexy
2/ better to use thicker plate
What?
@@dteed6282 lol my thoughts exactly while reading this... Not a clue what Florian here is talking about...
I believe what he wants to say is that if the edges of the whole construction are connected with the carpet, you enhance the resonance of the whole thing.
So better leave it open.
I wonder of the wool doesn't shed tons of dust into the room while you play, if the construction is open.
@@Wranuckl the rockwool pieces could be putted in normal black plastic bags (like the ones for the trash). this way the rockwool small particels will not "fly" through the air around.
This is a great video thanks! Some people have commented that sitting on the podium affects the noise isolation due to weight distribution? Have you found any issues?
I have not had this issue but I imagine different weights on top of the platform will certainly make a difference
@@bluelinedrums1036 I made the exact same platform and it didn't cancel as much sound as I had planned. I may have tightened the zip ties too tight though so might amend it. It looks great though...
@@drum27 How it's going now what did you do ?
Hey how many packs of rock wool foam did you need for those 3 strips seen in the video. Just one?
+sinsityslik just one pack was sufficient for me
Blue Line Drums thanks!
I saw in the picture where you showed the Rockwool that you could only order a quantity of 3 minimum. Is that only online or did you buy 3 cases? DO you know where I can buy just one?
Home Depot... Lowe's... Etc.
Is there anything you've thought of changing or improving since you posted this video? Have your neighbors still not made any complaints?
Will it work if you just make pieces for the bass pedals and the bass drum trigger? And or pieces for easch leg of your drumrack?
This won't exactly be a very scientific or tested answer, however, based on what I've read...the greater the mass of the platform, the better it will be at noise reduction. If you make separate pieces for the contact points with the floor (similar to Roland Noise Eaters) I don't think it will be as effective
QUESTION:
Hello, thank you so much for this awesome tutorial.
Do you think there's a big difference if I build my platform just big enough for the drum kit only and not for the chair as well?
I'm limited by space in my appartment and so I will probably be able to make it big enough just for the drums.
Thanks
I don’t think so because it’s the drums making vibrations
So no unless you bouncing on the stool
That's how I would do it because it will bring down the cost of the project and give better stability while seated.
Did you tape the insulation down? I'm in the process of making this exact riser per your video. Also did you nail the furniture nails to the board at the top?
Hey, I did not tape the insulation down. The compression from the boards did the job. I nailed the furniture nails to the edges and the underside...not on top. Hope this works for you!
Thank you so much for responding!! I plan to finish this today but cant find carpet padding anywhere lol
Mike,great job with the riser.Is there a bounce factor while playing on the riser?Also,make a fue videos of the mimic pro after you get it all set up.
drumsgo211 thank you very much! The platform has some give when walking on it but is sturdy enough that it feels just like a normal floor when playing. Pearl Mimic videos coming soon!
did you free hand the guidelines on the wood? or did you use a meter stick or something?
Yeah I used a straight edge of some kind.
Hey I'm curious about your cymbals.. Never seen em.. Are they quieter than your standard roland? What are those? Haha thanks in advanced
Thanks for watching...the cymbals are made by Pintech. They have a bunch of different options. Check em out! They might be slightly louder than Roland...this is not a scientific answer though
this riser is the best !! however i wonder the kick pedal, drumstick and pad noise ? still no complaint ?
Still no complaints so far.
@@bluelinedrums1036 but you do get ugly faces from her when you meet each other ? :-)
Not anymore :)
Isn't it too shaky in the end to comfortly play drums? Or it is not felled at all?
I didn't get which side goes up and which one down.
Do you use the side with the holes as bottom?
Both sides have holes.
So it's been nearly 4 years... Still going without a ccomplaint? Thinking of doing this.
quick questions, does it matter if the tennis balls are pressurized or not? also wouldnt it make sense to build it the stage with a cut out space for your throne so your body weight isnt on the actual stage? or does that even make a diffeence
Cam Par not sure if the pressure of the tennis balls matters...I think the important part is the rubber material. I actually considered making a cutout for the throne but ultimately decided on not doing because of cosmetic reasons and ease of wrapping the carpet and padding. The 5/8th will work for the zip ties I mentioned
Blue Line Drums thanks for the reply man I appreciate it
Great video, like the idea of the added insulation. I’m thinking of making this but don’t want to waste my time if it doesn’t make a difference to my set up. I don’t have downstairs neighbours to worry about as I have a cabin in the garden adjacent to the house. So, my problem is that I can still be heard (felt?) in the house. Would this type of platform help do you think or is it only beneficial to anything below it?
This will help with vibrations traveling to the floor and surrounding walls. If stick noise is the primary complaint then this will not resolve your issue. It will absorb the vibration within your house though
It’s relatively cheap to make and it’s going to help so I’m going to try it. Stick noise not so much the issue, it’s definitely the kick. Thanks for your input
Curious how this worked for you?
The throne that is better to step on the floor or on the platform;
Where can I buy one?🥁
Ok so it's been over a month since you posted this video. Have you got any complaints since?
MrMACornwell no complaints at all!
Just was replying to a few comments and wanted to give another update....still no complaints. My neighbor actually thanked me!
also the home depot near me only has 5/8th of an inch, is that too thin?
Cam Par sorry for the delayed reply...5/8th will work for the zip ties I mentioned
How much did everything cost you?
Do you have concrete between the floors at your place?
Nope
How many tennis balls will I need for a 55 "* 48" (140cm - 120cm) mdf platform?
If you followed his method, it will be 13 tennis balls that you need. Regardless of the dimensions of your MDF boards. Simple geometry really.
What was the ballpark total $ for this project?
Great! I live on the 4th floor apartment and just ordered an electronic drum set (Alesis command mesh kit). My question is: Could just a platform under the kick pedal be enough? I've just practiced at a friend on a Alesis Turbo and realised that they don't make much sound the way I play them. Of course the Turbo has only a pedal, and the Command a bass kicker thus my question about isolating just that? And because of small weight I was thinking of some disks from a fitness foam mat, or other form of foam sandwiched between two boards. Would that work?
What solution did you go with in the end ?
@@Hegarz I buyed the Command and I love it. Layed down two fitness foams under it with some semi harder disks under the legs not to sink much in foam. Might wanna do a test when someone is playing on them and you go bellow to know if they are iritatinf or not, mine can hardly be heard. Even less now that I rarely play them 😄
How much did all of this cost you? I imagine it was around the cost of a single Roland Noise Eater ($125).
It has been a while since I made it but it was probably around there for cost. More effective than the Roland noise eater in my opinion but very bulky and heavy.
The layer with balls holes is on top isn't it? While the bottom layer won't have holes, will the balls slide even with cable ties? But the main question is, like others asking here but still no informative answer: "how much is it effective?"
First of all, thank you for sharing your work. Second I wanted to ask you a question please, before I build this does your neighbor below hear any sounds at all? Is the sound faint or no sound below at all? Because I built a platform using double 1" thick carpet with one inch thick EVA foam and Isolate it Sorbothane discs under each drum frame leg and she still could here the sound even though it was very faint. But still the sound was annoying to her. I would really appreciate knowing this first. Thank you in advance!
I initially tried something similar to the foam/carpet combo you are using but my neighbor complained still. You'll never silence all of the sound/vibration. With that being said, my neighbor would complain at the slightest annoyance and has not since I built this platform. The weight of the platform along with the rubber and foam insulation does a great job and I'm confident it will be an improvement for you. Let me know if you have any other questions! Mike
Thanks for getting back with me Mike. I did have another question please, did you put full carpet padding and carpet on the bottom of the deck also? Just something I thought was interesting, I did a test and took one of the mesh head drums off and held it in my hand and drummed as hard as I could and the neighbor said she did not hear a sound. So the sound is being transferred through the metal drum frame. The reason why your platform works so well is because you create air in between the floor and your drums. So I am hoping it will do the same trick for me.
I only used carpet padding on the top layer
what a nice guy; if it was me, i would come to the neighbor downstairs and say: hey, ya wanna pay for half of this shit, 'cause if ya don, then guess what...
Did you have to cut the tennis balls or stay whole?
The balls stay whole
Yes I left them whole.
Thank you. Carpet Padding just on the top? Or on booth sides??
I built one and it doesn’t really work. A full sheet of 3/4” mdf, cut in thirds, two of which got tennis ball holes, the third wrapped in carpet for the top, rubber feet for the bottom. After the neighbor started beating on their ceiling again, I discovered with a vibration analyzer app that a lot of energy was still going through. The reason is because the vibration energy isn’t going to stop unless its converted into another energy; heat. These materials are not good at converting the energy unless there’s just a lot more of them. With more comes the problem of weight. The more weight you add, the more connected to the floor it is going to be. Still working on that but at this point experimenting with dispersing the energy over a broader area. Along with trying to use the vibrations against themselves by having them cancel out.
finding a way to suspend the platform would be gold
@@Rorschach89 That was the next step. I bought a giant cabinet from goodwill. Then some rubber restaurant kitchen mats that I cut in half then mated them into giant "belts". I suspended one of the mdf panels from the ceiling of the cabinet (yes it was difficult). It worked. A little bouncy but I stuffed some moving blanket under it, added some wire coat hanger "staples" across the belt. And it became something you could get used to.
The cabinet served two purposes; It absorbed the stick and kick slaps and with some more moving blankets inside, it knocked down the crack of the drumsticks to pads. These were measuring around 80 db, but outside the cabinet these were reduced to around 63 average.
Been in my apt long time.made a drum riser.guess it wrks?.only play 2 a week to record for 10 mins or so.then I edit.If they complain I tell them I use a Drum machine.and pack up my drums.Lol!
I gotta be honest here, why doesnt just a few layers of foam interlocking tiles work instead?
what kind of kit is this
Pintech pads and cymbals with a Pearl Mimic module
13 tennis balls, not 15 right?
Pov: you’re here after u hear a complaint
Will it work for acoustic drums
Ummmmmm no. Acoustic drums are not only giving off vibrational noise through the floor and walls but also are creating real reverberation within the shells that will also be extremely loud. Your best option is a floating drum booth which still won't take care of all your noise. Good luck!
@@FreddieTheRobot acoustic drums give off the same vibrations as electric drums - you still have the forces of hitting the beater peddle (which is where most of the noise comes from). The difference with acoustic drums is that the vibrations will probably be the least of your worries if living in an apartment or with close neighbors.
I'm actually thinking of trying this out for my acoustic drums with Black Hole silencers. Those silencers have worked wonders, but I still have vibration issues for the floor.
Downstairs neighbor: “You walk too loud”. Me: If you think my walking is loud you should hear my shotgun! Now that’s loud! Now have great day and I’ll see you around. 😉
Great idea, but by the time you've bought all this it'd be cheaper to buy Roland NE-10 noise eaters.
I have those: they help a little, but not nearly enough (and expensive)
I play my drums with my headphones on so I can't hear the neighbours knocking and complaining... :D
That's one way to do it haha
I tried everything, and I really mean EVERYTHING. They are still complaining.
And they're the only people who are still complaining. My other neighbors ( who are directly under my floor ) say they cannot hear me, or that they can slightly hear my hihat pedal, since I stomp really loud on the hihat.
Fuck them, honestly...
Their going to need to pay for everything if they still want to complain..
reach out to me. i need someone to build a riser for a drumset. Give me a price.
Or you could have told her to contact the contractor who built the complex and tell them they failed to properly build the place with soundproofing. Since she said you walk to loud. A lot to go through for a set designed to be quiet.
Puh keh puh puh keh
Anyone what to build mine! I’ll pay lol seriously
Screw them, im gonna play loud
jezusmylord are u a piece of shit?
jezusmylord you’re an asshole
I made it a point not to have neighbors closer than 200 ft, and that’s the closest one. I could literally play an acoustic kit full volume and they would not be able to hear it. Obviously nobody downstairs because I live in a house. No apartments for me ever again.
hope you are aware how lucky you are...of course living in an isolated house is the dream for every drummer....but not an option for a lot of people...unfortunately....:))