Yes...budget video please. Challenging myself to build a great pair that sound good enough for people to ask about and I can modestly acknowledge..."oh yeah, those are something I threw together in the garage"
When I thought I was searching for this, I was getting like JBL 305P-ish build. But this is great. It gives me another thought of what kind of monitor that i need.
dude 4:35 "Not going to be mixing anything." "Not going to be getting expensive drivers that sound absolutely amazing." But you explain very well what monitors are for, and how they are designed to sound flat, and match reference recording attributes that can be measured. They do not exist because of a theory that "if they sound good on these, they'll sound good on anything." A reference monitor is exactly that: a monitor that can play a specific range of frequencies, at a specific dB and reading distance with a distortion level below ____ . Not trying to be a prick or bust your balls that much- but you're damn close... you know a lot, and seem self taught. I remember your stuff on Betsy years ago. You must have been a kid. I recall some pairs with above average finishes, that looked a lot like some speaker kits I'd seen somewhere... :) I respect the hustle. But. You should use those talents to design and build some real, heavy duty studio reference monitors. Make some monsters. Go insane. Get a pair of crazy stands in front of the console for TMWW L Woofers are 15" Reference. Behind those, Cabinets hanging from the ceiling from chains. They'll need to be, as the cabinets, bracing, and pairs of 18" sub-woofers will weigh well over 150 pounds each. More subs under desk/ Keep going.
Adam A7X are the best investment I’ve ever made for my craft. Didn’t even fuck with buying anything lower end to start with and I doubt I’ll ever upgrade unless I had a massive cash flow increase to justify it. they’re absolutely incredible monitors.
I used to have the same experience until I realised that all ported monitors actually give muddy low end :/. Going sealed gave me the best clarity ever...
Could it be easy to use some Alesis Monitor One passive speakers with the amp from KRK RP5G3 and some high end tweeters? Would that be as simple as it sounds or would i run into other issues? Just get tweeters that fit into the existing hole then cut a rectangle the KRK amp fits in? or no? and why? ...PLEASE help me! Lol
Definetly budget speakers i have some bookshelfs i build 2weeks ago also budget each box has two ciare hw 129 woofer and one impact tweter from some car speakers (dont know the model number) they sound very good also the frequency range goes from 38hz-22000hz my frends came to take a listen to them and they just couldn believe how good they sound for they size. And you also need to use some oldschool drivers that would be interesting for budged othervise great content brother keep up the good work you are definetly a big inspiration to a lot of people including me have a great day
could someone apply the same principles and design tools to build a dance music sound system? there seem to be plenty of resources out there for home building sub woofer enclosures for instance, but there seems to be a lacking in information on the high packs. is there any insight you might have to lend?
I'd love to see budget budget. I found some nice 5" crap mini stereo speakers with broken boxes at the junk yard. They are pretty stiff, and I need monitors because I use too much headphones and my speakers sound very nice lowend, so I struggle to make my mixes balanced.
Kirby - love the 8" woofers. So many of today's bookshelf manufacturers try to sell us on 5-6" woofers having bass. They don't. I would love to see you duplicate this build with more budget-friendly speaker parts that total under $250 for all parts (not enclosures). Thanks !
they have bass, just needs the proper design for it. a friend of mine built a 3 way monitor that uses a 6.5" driver for the low end, and it can go down to 24hz quite loudly
When you calculate the enclosure's volume for the box within a box, you have to calculate the outside dimensions, minus the front side, of the internal box, when you are subtracting it from the over-all enclosure's volume, to figure out the volume for the main driver, plus the volume of your drivers, and any ports that set inside the box.
Awesome video dude..... I had a question for you..... 8inch ,4inch, woofers & 2inch Twitter. What is the Watts of this 8inch ,4inch ,2inch speakers.........
I have a pair of Behringer TruthB3031A's and they have ribbon tweeters. You won't be disappointed. These things have a clarity I've never experienced......not to mention the bass that just sort of 'exists' in the room. Kevlar woofs.
I second the budget build. Don’t get me wrong, i’m a studio/audio head so I definitely wanna see how this more expensive build pans out but as a college student working on a couple of 2-way monitors modeled after the yamaha hs8’s while trying to afford to be alive, slightly cheaper drivers would be appreciated lol keep doing your thing Kirby. Love from Atlanta
I have the Alesis Monitor 2 speakers,and I want something just like that,passive,durable,and i want flat response speakers.I use them a lot with Djing/sound design,and i do want something with a low end,because I have analog synths.Should i mess with a pair of speakers and a sub?My main amp is a Parasound HCA power amp,and I do have some others.
Hi Kirby. Thanks for your UA-cam content which I'm really enjoying. You present the information in a way which enables budding builders to get into it. I'm watching this because one of the kids is getting into dj-ing and a set of monitors would be an ideal project for he and I to do. Following your intro on this video though, I'm wondering what are the differences between the 'artist monitors' you describe and regular hifi speakers which I gather are also intended to make the music sound as good as possible?
I finally made some speakers that were heavily inspired by this build. They use a Dayton designer 10”, morel 1308 mid and morel cat 308 tweeter. It’s so sad to not see you upload anymore Kirby. I hope you check back on your channel half as often as I do, because I’m ready for your glorious return. Cheers buddy
3:45 The Yamaha NS-10Ms became famous because Bob Clearmountain used them as his final mix monitor. He chose them because he thought they had the worst sound and if the mix sounded good on the NS-10Ms, it would probably work on anything else. Clearmountain apparently took them everywhere, whatever the job, whatever the studio.
Never mind the Dayton haters. I've been present on the PETT forum off and on over the years, and I've seen Dayton come a LONG way over time. They design some really nice drivers for their brand. Heck... even back in the day, the RS28A or F tweeter was revered by many audiophiles as one of the best "bang for your buck" tweeters on the market.
I always call BS on a 32 Hz rating on an 8" woofer system. Yes, theoretically, but not at volume in a very large monitoring space. Bag End delivers a subwoofer system that is theoretically flat to 8 Hz, and it too is (theoretically) truthful. But the devil is in the details, and to get that frequency at volume, you have to build that system out with four sealed 18" cabinets and some hefty amps (and have your room absolutely together). "At volume" in my world, is at calibrated volume for film/master mixing. That's really the bottom line--can the system deliver that response at the mix position, and most specs (even for studio monitoring systems) aren't actually giving you a spec that is comparable to that. It's usually at x dB at some close measure of distance from the cab. In the weeds, I know, but maybe it explains why frequency range ratings can look impressive, but when you monitor a tune with a low-B bass string fundamental, you find yourself asking, "Where's that bass?" I have several of those Bag End systems, btw, and they are a thing of beauty. No intent to bash on them, just to illustrate the disconnect between the theoretical spec and the practical implementation in a mix room.
It does also depend on driver though, there are some small drivers that are fairly specialised to just do low end well. Like the 5.25" Tang Band W5-1138SMF absolutely can do 35-40 hz no problem in a ported enclosure. As a result though its not the tightest bass/quickest woofer in the world, but low tones are absolutely achievable.
I've heard the bag end subs. Very impressive if you have the room. Has anyone heard both the bag end and the rythmic subs, and if so, how do they compare?
@@__-fm5qv Well, I concur with that, but again...at volume. Once you've calibrated your monitors for volume (anywhere from 78 db to 83 db, pink noise, mix position) is that system delivering a flat response. And a 5.25" driver system will absolutely not, under any circumstances, deliver what a mix engineer needs. It might deliver an OK speaker system for listening, but it won't deliver a studio monitor that you **know** will translate to most playback systems predictably. And that's where you start getting into big trouble, and you have to do a lot of staring at the driver itself, to see what the exertion is versus what you're hearing. You can do that on a song. It starts getting impractical if you're mixing a film. Granted, I come at this from a situation where I have to send out mixes which may play on big systems...but those are realistic work scenarios for studio monitors. You have to know how a bank of subs with sometimes thousands of watts behind them will behave, or you won't keep working for long.
@@BruceRichardsonMusic This is true. I'm just trying to say for the purposes of these monitors an 8" deliverijg those frequencies is fine. He's not making a purely hardcore professional monitor after all, it's more of a "prosumer" monitor, so it's allowed a little slack imo.
@@jdrissel I have not heard the Rythmic Subs. I checked out their site, and I think they probably compare more to Velodyne's early products that had a similar servo design. I have a couple of the Velodyne 18-inch "Coffee Table" subs that I picked up cheap and put into my soundstage room for mix-testing (and general home theater enjoyment). They sound AMAZING, and I could see mixing with them if I learned them. The servo is really more of an intelligent limiter, as it stops the system from self-destructing when the cones go nonlinear. In my experience, you might get away with a little smaller footprint with them than with Bag End. They're still applying a similar trick with sealed cabinets, although Velodyne and (it appears) Rythmic, too, use some ported designs to save space. The Bag Ends are a little more purpose designed. You get indicator lights that tell you when the system is limiting, and the limiting is pretty sophisticated. They filter at the fundamental level when the system starts exceeding spec, so you begin to lose the bottom octave, but you retain the rest of the overtone system for a given bass tone. In a way, it functions psychoacoustically like Waves Maxxbass does. You **think** you hear the fundamental, because the overtone series stays intact above it, and your brain concocts a "ghost note," similar to the way musical intervals will cause you to hear a "Tartini tone" that isn't there. But when you're mixing, those indicator lights basically tell you, "HEY, you need to sculpt on this section, so that you're controlling nonessential cone motion." That's why you can get such tight bass mixing with Bag Ends...not so much that other systems won't let you get to the same result, but that they so clearly indicate when you've got an amp exertion problem. In the way of contrast, the servo systems are saying the same thing, but just not in a way where you can quickly back up and sculpt on the bass until the indicator stops lighting. Bag Ends have become a bit of a relic...not so much because they're not effective, but just a product of ever smaller mix rooms. Obviously, building a room where you can perceive 8 Hz is tricky and takes some space and design. They're amazing if you have the space and acoustics to use them. Full body experience. There's a scene in the second "Lord of the Rings," where the Ents begin pulling up out of the ground and walking....that's amazing. I have never put a spectrum analyzer on it to see how low it goes, but it makes my vision blurry and feels like an earthquake.
I would do midrage enclosure somewhat wider. Maybe in a form of a truncated pyramid. Having those walls too close to a driver might cause reflections back to a speaker cone and similar to a standing wave resonance. Also, don't forget to chamfer midrane speaker holes from the inside.
Really like the prospect of this series. Subscribed. Hoping you show a budget-budget series too - a little lighter on the wallet to see if I get joy from building my own speakers or not.
Out of curiosity, what dome tweeter can you cross at 300hz? I’m guessing the crossover would need to be 4th order at minimum. I guess it would be a dome mid at that point, wonder if it could extend to be a tweeter as well. I like the idea of comparing the dome with the AMT. I have about a dozen different pair of AMT and ribbon tweeters and would really like to play with them. I’m a bit of a dome guy.
No dome tweeters can be crossed at 300Hz or even 1000Hz, any dome tweeter going that low will produce loads of distortion, and by loads I mean LOADS. Also the crossover would need to be 8th order just to have a chance of not blowing the tweeter up immediately. And on top of that the output level for a dome tweeter in that range would be ridiculously low and would require a pretty big array to work.
Wow. Was literally about to do this build ...but got afraid...then was gunna save up for LYDs.... Hmmmmm. Only going to go with a more powerful 8 inch. So stoked to see this build be completed
I know that this channel is oriented towards a Hi-Fi approach, but i would love if you could make the design and maybe the built of a small pa system maybe a 2.1, with a 3-way system or something like that it would be incredible! Keep the awesome work!
YES Definitely A BUDGET Budget Video doing the same thing. That would be amazing, thanks for everything your already doing. Your video is awesome. I appreciate you sharing all that you share...
Hey there. Just started to watch your videos and thanks for the info. I want to design a portable Bluetooth speaker. Wanted to know if you can help me out. Kind of don't get this or is there a video you recommend to watch. Like I said just started watching your videos
Sooo. I can remember when my friend had spent a LOT of cash and a lot of time designing a straight up anechoic chamber for his home studio and personal audio gear. We had to walk up a small set of four stairs before we entered. It wasn’t until after I felt a sway in the floor and that was when I realized that we were standing on this mesh sort of like the stuff for making a chain-link fence(?!!). He went all out on this room to make the thing SO quiet!! So quiet, that the silence was actually paranoia inducing! I know that this room became a very desirable place for testing monitors, and I believe that he was approached by some aerospace contractors, who were interested in testing their wireless gear in that room. And this was literally inside of an average 3 bedroom home. He made at least enough cash to cover all of his expenses including all of the treatments including the hollow floor and the various hardware that he outfitted that room with. He would use this room also to punish his children by forcing them into the room alone and with no sound making devices!? He called it “Quiet Time Out”, and he’d easily use those three words to shut them up in a heartbeat! He wouldn’t ever put any of them in this room for more than two whole minutes, and the insanity of this type of silence could make two minutes scare the ghost out of a person. No joke I passed out, AND pissed myself when I let myself be shut into this room! Anyways, THANK YOU FOR SHARING!
what if you did a similar build, same budget, but with powered monitors for producing? obviously the amps would incur more cost but this method requires an external amp which would be similar in cost.
I'd like to see a pair of budget powered bookshelves. I'm also looking forward to your home theater build series. Particularly if you're going to try and make it wireless.
I GOT SEVERAL PAIR OF MONITORS....I WOULD LIKE TO BUILD.... I once replaced a crossover inside one and it went well...HELL I MIGHT TRY THIS LATER THIS YEAR....NOW, I WANT THOSE RIBBONS !
Hi, I found your channel while looking for help to build a Bluetooth media/speaker box. I am not a speaker nut and have never built one before but I do dabble in electronics Raspberry Pi's and Arduino's. I have an old Avo Model 40 multimeter that as a meter is no use but thought it would make a cool steampunk speaker but I have no idea where to start. There is not a lot of room inside but I have cut out all the internals except the needle meter it's self. The rotary switches are still usable and it would be cool to incorporate some of that or even the needle meter like a meter on an old amp but that might be a step too far. Any ideas or links to parts I could hook up and mount inside would be great. I could get two small speakers in, one each side of the case, or one bigger one at the back with room at the top for the electronics and probably fit some sort of rechargeable power pack.
Quick question: I have an older pair of Polk Audio tsi400 towers (3 speakers in each)... can't sell em, they work fine, dont wanna throw them out, and too big for my new house... I'm thikning of gutting them and reusing the speakers, separately, in a new smaller box to use throughout my workshop. Not looking for hi-fidelity, but basically just how to take speaker out and re-use in another cabinet... any requirements? Tips? Thanks !!
It will be the woofer that will give you problems, they are designed to go in a certain sized box if you pot it in a smaller box you'll most likely loose a lot of the low end, I'm guessing it's ported... Of so you would probably need to pot it in a sealed box
I didn't get. First you designed the mid cabinet. Then in order to design the bigger enclosure you have to subtract the volume of the smaller cabinet that goes inside the bigger one? Is that it?
Going passive for studio monitors is a big problem for me. A passive crossover is simply not the way to go. Furthermore most folks don't have a ton of decent amps around. Then there is competition around and you can get decent active monitors like the Behringer B2031A Thruth or the Kali Audio LP-6 for under 300$. Without indepent amps for all drivers this project does not make many sense for me.
Please help How can I build my own Studio Monitor for music production??? Which will give me flat frequencies every time??? And if I can make then what specifications of speaker,woofer,sub woofer or any other things will be needed?? Im noob about this
I have been on UA-cam for like a solid decade, I produce content as well. But you sir Kirby do absolutely astoundingly awesome on the commentary, and needless to say a superb job on the craftsmanship. I really respect your in depth ( specificational --- not a real word, i know ) and technical input. Excellent video quality as well. Will give you a subscription, already liked the video, and will tune in to check out more of your content. A+++++ Bro!
hey there, Nice videos. I liked the way you are explaining things around the topic. I would like to ask a question about, where I can find the class bi-amplifiers? I was looking in a website Sesmic Audio but they seems to be only for full range 2 way PA systems. Do you have an idea where I need to look and find the 3 way for studio monitors and especially when it comes to the watts section??
Wow just noticed you are still on here.So made up.Looking forward to this speaker,The last video that youtube recomended was that little wireless speaker.Now pressed the bell icon.Thanks for all the great ideas
It wont even compare. He doesnt got the knowledge, not even close. A lot of the money of commersial speakers is put in R&D and they get their components much, much cheaper. It will be a turd.
Awesome to see you putting out videos again, stayed subscribed just waiting for you to come back lol like everyone else, budget studio monitors would be a great video. Something I can make but not have to invest in so much as a first try lol
I find tweeters as little as $30, like the tymphany/Peerless HD are linear, accurate, transparent and world class. Silk dome tweeters are phenomenal. A Faitel pro fullrange 3 or 4" makes a great mid. I avoid most metal drivers. Scan speak discovery is a great mid, especially for the money. As to woofer? Various.
Been trying to find a passive monitor with a 12inch bass driver. Already have 2 pairs of different monitors with 8 inch drivers. Dont want a subwoofer.
Super cool, if you want to hear good monitors look into ATC. They have a 3 way monitor similar to the ones you designed! Hence why I clicked your video, cause I have those ATCs haha!
Man you have my dream job. I’m trying to get there. It’s tough to get the family set then buy tools and parts. It’s really disappointing when money is keeping me from my dreams.
You could build speaker cabinets with a rudimentary set of tools. You're not going to match the speed of a commercial shop. But you'd get the job done. Everyone has to start somewhere. It usually isn't at the top either. If money is an object then buy used tools. They're going to be used after you get done using them anyways. I bet I could put together a tool kit with less than $50 to make speaker cabinets. $10 for a circular saw, $20 for a router, $3 for a corded drill and I'm most of the way there.
Wanna see a more budget video for sure. Maybe a 2-way system to make it cheaper. Entertaining and informative as usual. Congrats on your new shop helper!
It doesn't bother me that you use Parts Express in Dayton audio so much. I actually live in Cincinnati only a few miles away from one of the Parts Express physical locations. However I would like to get your input on comparisons between speakers have you considered bldg the same speaker design one with Dayton audio and one with another brand and comparing them side-by-side? Have you thought about building a two-way and simply changing out just a tweeter and talking about how your crossover changes are changing just a woofer and talking about how your crossover changes?
Yes...budget video please. Challenging myself to build a great pair that sound good enough for people to ask about and I can modestly acknowledge..."oh yeah, those are something I threw together in the garage"
Challenge accepted! Budget mind blowers will be on the next project vote! Thanks for watching 🙏🙏
@@KirbyMeetsAudio Thank you sir... don't get me wrong, I was drooling by the end of this video.
Super nice idea!
@@KirbyMeetsAudio when will that be :)
When I thought I was searching for this, I was getting like JBL 305P-ish build. But this is great. It gives me another thought of what kind of monitor that i need.
What happened to you bro.... We miss you
So true
Budget-budget build studio monitors please?
dude 4:35 "Not going to be mixing anything." "Not going to be getting expensive drivers that sound absolutely amazing." But you explain very well what monitors are for, and how they are designed to sound flat, and match reference recording attributes that can be measured. They do not exist because of a theory that "if they sound good on these, they'll sound good on anything." A reference monitor is exactly that: a monitor that can play a specific range of frequencies, at a specific dB and reading distance with a distortion level below ____ .
Not trying to be a prick or bust your balls that much- but you're damn close... you know a lot, and seem self taught. I remember your stuff on Betsy years ago. You must have been a kid. I recall some pairs with above average finishes, that looked a lot like some speaker kits I'd seen somewhere... :) I respect the hustle. But. You should use those talents to design and build some real, heavy duty studio reference monitors.
Make some monsters. Go insane. Get a pair of crazy stands in front of the console for TMWW L Woofers are 15" Reference. Behind those, Cabinets hanging from the ceiling from chains. They'll need to be, as the cabinets, bracing, and pairs of 18" sub-woofers will weigh well over 150 pounds each. More subs under desk/ Keep going.
yes man, budget budget would be very nice!
budget budget budget?
yeah....budget budget or budget budget budget works well lol
i'm currently working on designing a pair of speakers and it would be amazing to watch a budget budget version of this!
I agree
Adam A7X are the best investment I’ve ever made for my craft. Didn’t even fuck with buying anything lower end to start with and I doubt I’ll ever upgrade unless I had a massive cash flow increase to justify it. they’re absolutely incredible monitors.
Heard the synodyne srp 800 ... Blew the competition out of the water...
I used to have the same experience until I realised that all ported monitors actually give muddy low end :/. Going sealed gave me the best clarity ever...
Man I’ve been working in audio 10 + years and your telling them the sauce with the stats and the how, you’re a tank for that
Could it be easy to use some Alesis Monitor One passive speakers with the amp from KRK RP5G3 and some high end tweeters? Would that be as simple as it sounds or would i run into other issues? Just get tweeters that fit into the existing hole then cut a rectangle the KRK amp fits in? or no? and why? ...PLEASE help me! Lol
Liked before I even started watching because I know that this will be a great video. Seriously, great to see you putting out content again, dude.
And yes, a budget video would be great for those of us with little to no budget for something like this, but want to dip our toes in.
Feels good to dive back in! I really appreciate you watching and commenting! 🙏🙏 Budget budget build will definitely get on the list.
Definetly budget speakers i have some bookshelfs i build 2weeks ago also budget each box has two ciare hw 129 woofer and one impact tweter from some car speakers (dont know the model number) they sound very good also the frequency range goes from 38hz-22000hz my frends came to take a listen to them and they just couldn believe how good they sound for they size. And you also need to use some oldschool drivers that would be interesting for budged othervise great content brother keep up the good work you are definetly a big inspiration to a lot of people including me have a great day
could someone apply the same principles and design tools to build a dance music sound system? there seem to be plenty of resources out there for home building sub woofer enclosures for instance, but there seems to be a lacking in information on the high packs. is there any insight you might have to lend?
Never thought of it but your right, the goals are different for those types of systems, you can find some good info on some pro audio forums
DIY Studio Monitors based on Dynaudio with ribbon tweeters... This is exactly my dream build !👍
I can't be more happy to follow this video series.
I'd love to see budget budget. I found some nice 5" crap mini stereo speakers with broken boxes at the junk yard. They are pretty stiff, and I need monitors because I use too much headphones and my speakers sound very nice lowend, so I struggle to make my mixes balanced.
Kirby - love the 8" woofers. So many of today's bookshelf manufacturers try to sell us on 5-6" woofers having bass. They don't. I would love to see you duplicate this build with more budget-friendly speaker parts that total under $250 for all parts (not enclosures). Thanks !
they have bass, just needs the proper design for it. a friend of mine built a 3 way monitor that uses a 6.5" driver for the low end, and it can go down to 24hz quite loudly
@@FPSzky 24hz maybe, loud, surely not.
@@SilmarilS79 loud is not the point of studio monitors
6 inch woofers can definitely have bass. The car audio community has figured that out. Ex: Sundown Audio U 6.5
I just found this video and love it. What's the difference between monitors and "reference" monitors?
When you calculate the enclosure's volume for the box within a box, you have to calculate the outside dimensions, minus the front side, of the internal box, when you are subtracting it from the over-all enclosure's volume, to figure out the volume for the main driver, plus the volume of your drivers, and any ports that set inside the box.
I wonder what a 3 way design with the woofer enclosure using a passive radiator would sound like? 🤔
I would ABSOLUTELY mix my tracks on a set of Kirby Custom (tm) reference monitors. These look slick.
Awesome video dude..... I had a question for you..... 8inch ,4inch, woofers & 2inch Twitter. What is the Watts of this 8inch ,4inch ,2inch speakers.........
I have a pair of Behringer TruthB3031A's and they have ribbon tweeters. You won't be disappointed. These things have a clarity I've never experienced......not to mention the bass that just sort of 'exists' in the room. Kevlar woofs.
I second the budget build. Don’t get me wrong, i’m a studio/audio head so I definitely wanna see how this more expensive build pans out but as a college student working on a couple of 2-way monitors modeled after the yamaha hs8’s while trying to afford to be alive, slightly cheaper drivers would be appreciated lol keep doing your thing Kirby. Love from Atlanta
as a music producer, i value this a lot
That tweeter array look like something that Tekton Design would sell haha. Really looking forward to that tweeter array build.
Kirby you could minimise the volume of the mid enclosure by using some 4" pvc pipe instead of mdf
That’s a great point! And I’ve never done that before. 🤔 thanks for watching!
also a pipe reduces reflections vs. a square box for the mid woofer
33:24 B is for Bass?
Are the plans to build the 3 way cabinet available : thx!
I have the Alesis Monitor 2 speakers,and I want something just like that,passive,durable,and i want flat response speakers.I use them a lot with Djing/sound design,and i do want something with a low end,because I have analog synths.Should i mess with a pair of speakers and a sub?My main amp is a Parasound HCA power amp,and I do have some others.
Hi Kirby. Thanks for your UA-cam content which I'm really enjoying. You present the information in a way which enables budding builders to get into it. I'm watching this because one of the kids is getting into dj-ing and a set of monitors would be an ideal project for he and I to do. Following your intro on this video though, I'm wondering what are the differences between the 'artist monitors' you describe and regular hifi speakers which I gather are also intended to make the music sound as good as possible?
I finally made some speakers that were heavily inspired by this build. They use a Dayton designer 10”, morel 1308 mid and morel cat 308 tweeter. It’s so sad to not see you upload anymore Kirby. I hope you check back on your channel half as often as I do, because I’m ready for your glorious return. Cheers buddy
Anyone have heard or seen of Kirby??? been quiet.. hope him and his family is doing well. ❤❤
Have you ever done outdoor speakers? Full range but waterproof?
Hi, what is the site that you are buying those speakers from can't see it well
I want to Learn this! After spending so much on monitors this would save money and gain quality. What tools do I need to do this?
Do you already have the crossover design for these three way monitors ?
3:45 The Yamaha NS-10Ms became famous because Bob Clearmountain used them as his final mix monitor. He chose them because he thought they had the worst sound and if the mix sounded good on the NS-10Ms, it would probably work on anything else. Clearmountain apparently took them everywhere, whatever the job, whatever the studio.
budget-budget sounds nice
Never mind the Dayton haters. I've been present on the PETT forum off and on over the years, and I've seen Dayton come a LONG way over time. They design some really nice drivers for their brand. Heck... even back in the day, the RS28A or F tweeter was revered by many audiophiles as one of the best "bang for your buck" tweeters on the market.
I always call BS on a 32 Hz rating on an 8" woofer system. Yes, theoretically, but not at volume in a very large monitoring space. Bag End delivers a subwoofer system that is theoretically flat to 8 Hz, and it too is (theoretically) truthful. But the devil is in the details, and to get that frequency at volume, you have to build that system out with four sealed 18" cabinets and some hefty amps (and have your room absolutely together). "At volume" in my world, is at calibrated volume for film/master mixing. That's really the bottom line--can the system deliver that response at the mix position, and most specs (even for studio monitoring systems) aren't actually giving you a spec that is comparable to that. It's usually at x dB at some close measure of distance from the cab.
In the weeds, I know, but maybe it explains why frequency range ratings can look impressive, but when you monitor a tune with a low-B bass string fundamental, you find yourself asking, "Where's that bass?"
I have several of those Bag End systems, btw, and they are a thing of beauty. No intent to bash on them, just to illustrate the disconnect between the theoretical spec and the practical implementation in a mix room.
It does also depend on driver though, there are some small drivers that are fairly specialised to just do low end well. Like the 5.25" Tang Band W5-1138SMF absolutely can do 35-40 hz no problem in a ported enclosure. As a result though its not the tightest bass/quickest woofer in the world, but low tones are absolutely achievable.
I've heard the bag end subs. Very impressive if you have the room. Has anyone heard both the bag end and the rythmic subs, and if so, how do they compare?
@@__-fm5qv Well, I concur with that, but again...at volume. Once you've calibrated your monitors for volume (anywhere from 78 db to 83 db, pink noise, mix position) is that system delivering a flat response. And a 5.25" driver system will absolutely not, under any circumstances, deliver what a mix engineer needs. It might deliver an OK speaker system for listening, but it won't deliver a studio monitor that you **know** will translate to most playback systems predictably. And that's where you start getting into big trouble, and you have to do a lot of staring at the driver itself, to see what the exertion is versus what you're hearing. You can do that on a song. It starts getting impractical if you're mixing a film. Granted, I come at this from a situation where I have to send out mixes which may play on big systems...but those are realistic work scenarios for studio monitors. You have to know how a bank of subs with sometimes thousands of watts behind them will behave, or you won't keep working for long.
@@BruceRichardsonMusic This is true. I'm just trying to say for the purposes of these monitors an 8" deliverijg those frequencies is fine. He's not making a purely hardcore professional monitor after all, it's more of a "prosumer" monitor, so it's allowed a little slack imo.
@@jdrissel I have not heard the Rythmic Subs. I checked out their site, and I think they probably compare more to Velodyne's early products that had a similar servo design. I have a couple of the Velodyne 18-inch "Coffee Table" subs that I picked up cheap and put into my soundstage room for mix-testing (and general home theater enjoyment). They sound AMAZING, and I could see mixing with them if I learned them. The servo is really more of an intelligent limiter, as it stops the system from self-destructing when the cones go nonlinear. In my experience, you might get away with a little smaller footprint with them than with Bag End. They're still applying a similar trick with sealed cabinets, although Velodyne and (it appears) Rythmic, too, use some ported designs to save space.
The Bag Ends are a little more purpose designed. You get indicator lights that tell you when the system is limiting, and the limiting is pretty sophisticated. They filter at the fundamental level when the system starts exceeding spec, so you begin to lose the bottom octave, but you retain the rest of the overtone system for a given bass tone. In a way, it functions psychoacoustically like Waves Maxxbass does. You **think** you hear the fundamental, because the overtone series stays intact above it, and your brain concocts a "ghost note," similar to the way musical intervals will cause you to hear a "Tartini tone" that isn't there.
But when you're mixing, those indicator lights basically tell you, "HEY, you need to sculpt on this section, so that you're controlling nonessential cone motion." That's why you can get such tight bass mixing with Bag Ends...not so much that other systems won't let you get to the same result, but that they so clearly indicate when you've got an amp exertion problem.
In the way of contrast, the servo systems are saying the same thing, but just not in a way where you can quickly back up and sculpt on the bass until the indicator stops lighting. Bag Ends have become a bit of a relic...not so much because they're not effective, but just a product of ever smaller mix rooms. Obviously, building a room where you can perceive 8 Hz is tricky and takes some space and design. They're amazing if you have the space and acoustics to use them. Full body experience. There's a scene in the second "Lord of the Rings," where the Ents begin pulling up out of the ground and walking....that's amazing. I have never put a spectrum analyzer on it to see how low it goes, but it makes my vision blurry and feels like an earthquake.
Budget budget powered speaker build would be sick. Going straight out of an interface would be clutch
I´ll watch the whole series, keep it up!! Greetings from Mexico!
Ok, you got a new subscriber. This series is just what I was looking for!
awesome detail, my goal is to do a wireless bluetooth build this winter!
Do you have any specs per spectral decay, frequency testing, and or off axis response for these?
Yeah budget budget would be fun! And length of video is fine. You are laying down tons of good info which takes time. Love the videos dude!
I would do midrage enclosure somewhat wider. Maybe in a form of a truncated pyramid. Having those walls too close to a driver might cause reflections back to a speaker cone and similar to a standing wave resonance.
Also, don't forget to chamfer midrane speaker holes from the inside.
Uuu i saw that inside a barefoot micromain 27
Really like the prospect of this series. Subscribed. Hoping you show a budget-budget series too - a little lighter on the wallet to see if I get joy from building my own speakers or not.
Oh this video got referred to me 1 exact year later - what...
+1 for budget monitors series! Thanks for doing this!
Out of curiosity, what dome tweeter can you cross at 300hz? I’m guessing the crossover would need to be 4th order at minimum. I guess it would be a dome mid at that point, wonder if it could extend to be a tweeter as well.
I like the idea of comparing the dome with the AMT. I have about a dozen different pair of AMT and ribbon tweeters and would really like to play with them. I’m a bit of a dome guy.
No dome tweeters can be crossed at 300Hz or even 1000Hz, any dome tweeter going that low will produce loads of distortion, and by loads I mean LOADS.
Also the crossover would need to be 8th order just to have a chance of not blowing the tweeter up immediately.
And on top of that the output level for a dome tweeter in that range would be ridiculously low and would require a pretty big array to work.
Wow. Was literally about to do this build ...but got afraid...then was gunna save up for LYDs....
Hmmmmm. Only going to go with a more powerful 8 inch. So stoked to see this build be completed
I know that this channel is oriented towards a Hi-Fi approach, but i would love if you could make the design and maybe the built of a small pa system maybe a 2.1, with a 3-way system or something like that it would be incredible! Keep the awesome work!
Budget, budget. Would very much like to see a series on that!
YES Definitely A BUDGET Budget Video doing the same thing. That would be amazing, thanks for everything your already doing. Your video is awesome. I appreciate you sharing all that you share...
Budget budget monitors would be great!!!
Hey there. Just started to watch your videos and thanks for the info. I want to design a portable Bluetooth speaker. Wanted to know if you can help me out. Kind of don't get this or is there a video you recommend to watch. Like I said just started watching your videos
Thanks for this. I need this. More success and blessings to you
Do make a budget monitor build! great video thank you so much for your knowledge and build!
Sooo. I can remember when my friend had spent a LOT of cash and a lot of time designing a straight up anechoic chamber for his home studio and personal audio gear. We had to walk up a small set of four stairs before we entered. It wasn’t until after I felt a sway in the floor and that was when I realized that we were standing on this mesh sort of like the stuff for making a chain-link fence(?!!). He went all out on this room to make the thing SO quiet!! So quiet, that the silence was actually paranoia inducing! I know that this room became a very desirable place for testing monitors, and I believe that he was approached by some aerospace contractors, who were interested in testing their wireless gear in that room. And this was literally inside of an average 3 bedroom home. He made at least enough cash to cover all of his expenses including all of the treatments including the hollow floor and the various hardware that he outfitted that room with. He would use this room also to punish his children by forcing them into the room alone and with no sound making devices!? He called it “Quiet Time Out”, and he’d easily use those three words to shut them up in a heartbeat! He wouldn’t ever put any of them in this room for more than two whole minutes, and the insanity of this type of silence could make two minutes scare the ghost out of a person. No joke I passed out, AND pissed myself when I let myself be shut into this room! Anyways, THANK YOU FOR SHARING!
When you do home theater, would you consider making a 3.0 sound bar with built in center, left, and right as a part of the system?
what if you did a similar build, same budget, but with powered monitors for producing? obviously the amps would incur more cost but this method requires an external amp which would be similar in cost.
Amazing stuff. I'm on a budget of a budget of a budget right now lol
I'd like to see a pair of budget powered bookshelves. I'm also looking forward to your home theater build series. Particularly if you're going to try and make it wireless.
Hell Yeah!!! Kirby is a RIT alumni!!!!
First time viewer, love your videos. Much love from Eritrea
I really want to build my own. Parts Express stuff ok for studio quality audio?
Hey dude, any suggestions other than parts express where to source good speakers and drivers?
I GOT SEVERAL PAIR OF MONITORS....I WOULD LIKE TO BUILD.... I once replaced a crossover inside one and it went well...HELL I MIGHT TRY THIS LATER THIS YEAR....NOW, I WANT THOSE RIBBONS !
Hi, I found your channel while looking for help to build a Bluetooth media/speaker box. I am not a speaker nut and have never built one before but I do dabble in electronics Raspberry Pi's and Arduino's. I have an old Avo Model 40 multimeter that as a meter is no use but thought it would make a cool steampunk speaker but I have no idea where to start. There is not a lot of room inside but I have cut out all the internals except the needle meter it's self. The rotary switches are still usable and it would be cool to incorporate some of that or even the needle meter like a meter on an old amp but that might be a step too far. Any ideas or links to parts I could hook up and mount inside would be great. I could get two small speakers in, one each side of the case, or one bigger one at the back with room at the top for the electronics and probably fit some sort of rechargeable power pack.
Quick question: I have an older pair of Polk Audio tsi400 towers (3 speakers in each)... can't sell em, they work fine, dont wanna throw them out, and too big for my new house... I'm thikning of gutting them and reusing the speakers, separately, in a new smaller box to use throughout my workshop. Not looking for hi-fidelity, but basically just how to take speaker out and re-use in another cabinet... any requirements? Tips? Thanks !!
It will be the woofer that will give you problems, they are designed to go in a certain sized box if you pot it in a smaller box you'll most likely loose a lot of the low end, I'm guessing it's ported... Of so you would probably need to pot it in a sealed box
You need to find the Thiele & Small parameters to design the box in WinISD .
Google it .
if you want the best budget tweeters I've heard, check out the peerless ring radiator tweeters. They're pretty great value.
Definitely do the budget budget monitors
Dude, this has been super helpful, thank you so much!!
I didn't get. First you designed the mid cabinet. Then in order to design the bigger enclosure you have to subtract the volume of the smaller cabinet that goes inside the bigger one? Is that it?
why are you mixing drivers with different impedance values (woofer was 8 ohm, while the mid and tweeter were 4 ohm)?
Going passive for studio monitors is a big problem for me. A passive crossover is simply not the way to go. Furthermore most folks don't have a ton of decent amps around. Then there is competition around and you can get decent active monitors like the Behringer B2031A Thruth or the Kali Audio LP-6 for under 300$. Without indepent amps for all drivers this project does not make many sense for me.
what make a nearfield speaker nearfield? the amp? the drivers? or both?
Please help
How can I build my own Studio Monitor for music production??? Which will give me flat frequencies every time??? And if I can make then what specifications of speaker,woofer,sub woofer or any other things will be needed?? Im noob about this
Dude you are better off grabbing average studio monitors and use the money you save to acoustically treat your room.
The Dynaudio are the ones I have. Those are awesome, these resulted better than focal.
What about putting the port in the virtual mock-up of the monitor?
super budget build pls!!!!! Great video btw.
But do these speakers Djent?
I have been on UA-cam for like a solid decade, I produce content as well.
But you sir Kirby do absolutely astoundingly awesome on the commentary, and needless to say a superb job on the craftsmanship.
I really respect your in depth ( specificational --- not a real word, i know ) and technical input.
Excellent video quality as well.
Will give you a subscription, already liked the video, and will tune in to check out more of your content.
A+++++ Bro!
hey there, Nice videos. I liked the way you are explaining things around the topic. I would like to ask a question about, where I can find the class bi-amplifiers? I was looking in a website Sesmic Audio but they seems to be only for full range 2 way PA systems. Do you have an idea where I need to look and find the 3 way for studio monitors and especially when it comes to the watts section??
Wow just noticed you are still on here.So made up.Looking forward to this speaker,The last video that youtube recomended was that little wireless speaker.Now pressed the bell icon.Thanks for all the great ideas
Could you please also upload crossover video of this studio monitor 🙂
Yes 🥰 we want budget studio monitor video ❤️❤️❤️❤️
I'd love to see budget monitors, im curios how your mid range 500 dollar studio monitors compare to the high acclaimed lsr 305 and lsr 308.
It wont even compare.
He doesnt got the knowledge, not even close.
A lot of the money of commersial speakers is put in R&D and they get their components much, much cheaper.
It will be a turd.
Great vid Kirby, really interesting and helpful
Awesome content, nice to listen and learn...
Awesome to see you putting out videos again, stayed subscribed just waiting for you to come back lol like everyone else, budget studio monitors would be a great video. Something I can make but not have to invest in so much as a first try lol
wow super eye opening for us Film Composers! christmas is coming early
I would love to see your attempt at the genelec “the ones”
I find tweeters as little as $30, like the tymphany/Peerless HD are linear, accurate, transparent and world class. Silk dome tweeters are phenomenal. A Faitel pro fullrange 3 or 4" makes a great mid. I avoid most metal drivers. Scan speak discovery is a great mid, especially for the money. As to woofer? Various.
Been trying to find a passive monitor with a 12inch bass driver. Already have 2 pairs of different monitors with 8 inch drivers. Dont want a subwoofer.
Super cool, if you want to hear good monitors look into ATC. They have a 3 way monitor similar to the ones you designed!
Hence why I clicked your video, cause I have those ATCs haha!
Hated them, but to each their own
I have JBL4311's work great for me. They are the original white damped woofers
Good to see you back on the Tube - looking forward to this build - was thinking a monitor could be my next build.
Man you have my dream job. I’m trying to get there. It’s tough to get the family set then buy tools and parts. It’s really disappointing when money is keeping me from my dreams.
P.s. love ya man
Love you too Matt
You could build speaker cabinets with a rudimentary set of tools. You're not going to match the speed of a commercial shop. But you'd get the job done. Everyone has to start somewhere. It usually isn't at the top either. If money is an object then buy used tools. They're going to be used after you get done using them anyways. I bet I could put together a tool kit with less than $50 to make speaker cabinets. $10 for a circular saw, $20 for a router, $3 for a corded drill and I'm most of the way there.
VISIT HARBOR FREIGHT....THAT IS WHERE I BUY ALL OF MY TOOL FOR CHEAP !!
Wanna see a more budget video for sure. Maybe a 2-way system to make it cheaper. Entertaining and informative as usual. Congrats on your new shop helper!
It doesn't bother me that you use Parts Express in Dayton audio so much. I actually live in Cincinnati only a few miles away from one of the Parts Express physical locations. However I would like to get your input on comparisons between speakers have you considered bldg the same speaker design one with Dayton audio and one with another brand and comparing them side-by-side? Have you thought about building a two-way and simply changing out just a tweeter and talking about how your crossover changes are changing just a woofer and talking about how your crossover changes?
20:07 Whats the software name?