Literal internal conflict. It could be a whole Dark Link vs Link thing but now we have Ganon who's fighting a Light version of himself since Ganon is of darkness.
I see Ganon and Ganondorf as two separate entities. Ganondorf is the Warlock, and Ganon is the Patron. And in this tapastry, Ganondorf is turning against his Patron, because he's sick of going insane over and over. However he gets infested with Malice during the fight, because he's still capable of feeling hatred. Hatred for the Hylians, because they were treating the Gerudo so poorly. So he died from the Malice Plague. And the reanimated corpse we see in the trailer is gonna be another blight. And Ganondorf has his shit together in his ghost form.
Not if he was just "Ganondorf, newborn Gerudo King" who was beckoned as a hero to stop "The Calamity" but precisely ended up getting lured by it. That would be a twist on the traditional Aghanim/Ganon, Ghirahim/Demise, Zant/Ganondorf trope of having a demon servant and its master, who ultimately are one and the same. If the theory is true then the prophecy is not wholly accurate as it's told in BotW, but Calamity Ganon IS defeated, cuz Ganondorf confronts it but succumbs to it as a host and Zelda binds it. It became taboo and Ganondorf's role in it was downplayed to cover up the fact that he was sealed away under the kingdom. That would then be the mistake Link is set up to make in BotW 100 years in the past and in the present of playing the game. The fortune teller mentioned in the diaries of Hyrule Castle either had an agenda to revive Ganondorf, or they simply believed that the Calamity could be repressed for eternity if Link and Zelda grew strong, not knowing that Ganon would be ready to overtake the Shiekah technology or that it was premature of Zelda to get so much spiritual training early in her life. It would also share a "Ganondorf" motif that was in Ocarina of Time: Where there is a premonition and by trying to prevent it Ganondorf gets exactly what he wanted, like when Link was "destined" to stop Ganon, and Zelda wanted them to take the spiritual stones before Ganon could, but ending up giving Link access to the Door of Time prematurely, and letting Ganon get to the Triforce in the very same plan that was thought to keep it away from him.
I don't think the main character will be ganon but I really like the concept, it's really well thought out and I think you two did a great job explaining it!
I don't either, but I think the "mysterious" clothes in the trailer will be a reference to the old hero of 10.000 years ago, and I think that old hero was actually Ganondorf. And it's a "heroic" Ganondorf who ended up becoming Calamity Ganon, and Zelda of 10.000 years ago sealed it away underneath Hyrule Castle. Then that became a prophecy about a "Princess and a hero who stopped Calamity Ganon". Might not happen but I could see them doing that. It's not too convoluted compared to some of the time-travely stuff they did in Skyward Sword (same director) but ofc, occam's razor would still be "Ganondorf is just Ganondorf aka the bad guy". But I mean... it would even explain why the Gerudo abhor "Vai" so much. If they had their rare "male born every 100 years" back then, and he was their mascot, but he became a disgrace to Hyrule, that would probably be a mark of shame. And then they don't fancy the idea of every male-born being a worthy king for them.
I think the most plausible explanation for the clothes in the Shrine of Resurrection would be that Ganondorf was a child when he was fighting the Calamity, but got infected with the Malice plague. He turned out a hot jock when he was an adult, however the Malice Plague just kept weakening him, until he died from it when he was 30. His ghost form looks like the hot rehydrated Ganondorf, so there's that. It would also look cool if Link and Zelda travelled to the past, and saw Ganondorf while he's alive: hot Gerudo dude, ripped af, but has Malice spots. His Malice infested arm is covered with the arm piece of the Desert Voe set, while a quarter of his face is just Malice. It'd look cool, but would make for a tragic story about a former hero battling disease. Ever since BotW Ganondorf hit puperty, he constantly had the flu. He was always coughing, always sneezing, and always weakened. When he started sneezing and coughing malice, that's what caught the Sheikah's attention. Well, at least the attention of the rebellious Sheikah that would later develop into the Yiga Clan, but these Sheikah did their best to treat Ganondorf's condition. They only came up with meds that he'd have to take for the rest of his life, to increase his life expectancy. Plus he had to go through daily exorcism in order to increase his life expectancy with the Malice Plague. When he hit his 20s, pink and black spots started appearing on Ganondorf. He was feeling ok when he was medicated, except he was just getting tired easily. Still with meds. When his entire arm was covered in Malice, he hid it under the shoulder piece of the Desert Voe Set. He additionally wore a gauntlet, to hide his Malice infested hand. He couldn't really hide the Malice Infested part of his head tho. It would be a hilarious situation tho. During battle: Ganondorf fights with his left arm, which is his dominant hand, but unfortunately the one rotted down by Malice His arm just falls off, and just hangs by the belt of the shoulder piece on his hip Soldier 1: passing out from seeing that abrupt amputation Soldier 2: "How did your arm get to your hip?!" After that battle, Ganondorf got a robotic arm from the Sheikah that served the Gerudo, and it left him with a mental scar.
Yes I do think the skin is “accurately colored” in the tapestry: Zelda is Blonde with Yellow Skin. The Hero (or standin) is Red Hair with Red Skin. Hylians-or at least the royal family-have traditionally been shown with blonde hair and pale skin (with golden undertones in BotW), not yellow. Gerudo have red hair and tan skin that has “reddish” undertones. So yes. The tapestry is Accurate, that is a Gerudo in a Gerudo Garb (and it doesn’t have to be the same outfit Link is seen wearing in the trailer for the Tapestry and Corpse Ganondorf and Trailer Link to all be wearing the same style of Male Gerudo Garb.) Also: the Guardians and Beasts existance. WHY were they developed at all when prior Links have used the Master Sword (or other sacred blades like the Foursword) and/or sacred arrows (light or silver) to seal or slay Ganon(dorf)? There’s also how the One-Hit Obliterator is literally shaped like the head of a trident and leaches health away like the Master Sword does if it does not find Link worthy to claim it. My theory? The Ancient Link at some point died and was unable to confront the Calamity. This caused the Sheikah to develop alternate weapons like the Guardians and Beasts. Ganondorf also stepped up, and since he cannot wield the Master Sword (which is obscured by putting it in the Tapestry anyway), the One Hit Obliterator was developed for him to use instead along side the mecha army until Zelda could seal the Calamity. However, he was later betrayed (or possibly willingly sacrificed himself) when he was found to be the source of the Malice…because his body&soul are still Cursed by Demise’s Malice. -I still have my suspicions about That Hand and how Grabby Hands are WALLMASTERS and Ain’t Ever GOOD and Ghirahim has grabbed Like That before but whatever- In BotW the Malice tried reviving into a humanoid shape from an eggsack. That was NOT “Ganondorf.” That was DEMISE after the Malice largely abandoned Corspe Ganondorf eons ago. And the whole plot of SS was Demise repeatedly leaking out of a Spiral Seal with or without Ghirahim’s meddling? I’m just saying-it makes sense with what little we know, with the franchise lore, and it’s fresh for a gd change. And what’s darker than betrayal? Than a guy actually being innocent or hapless? It also would work with Hyrule’s Rebulding into a Brave New World-which to last would require Hyrule to confront its history and sins, as well as break the Cycle (that has as much to do with Hyrule’s Sins as it does a petty dark god demanding a rematch.)
it would be hilarious. Especially Link's and Zelda's reaction. Zelda: "You're the ancient hero?! Why are you a Gerudo?!" Ganondorf: "Din's fire Zelda! You can't just ask a person why they're a Gerudo!" It would be even more hilarious if Link and Zelda time travelled, and found out that the Ancient Hero is not only Ganondorf, but also a kid. The clothes we find in the Shrine of Resurrection, meant for the Ancient Hero, are even too small for Link, meaning that the Ancient Hero must have been even smoller than Link. And it could still be Ganondorf, despite the Gerudos being VERY tall, it's just that he was a kid when he was the Ancient Hero. He was just a very gifted 5yo.
It always had a slightly Ganon-like appearance. Of course, the whole art-style looks peculiar, and so does Zelda, but it is strange how it's that red long hair. My knee-jerk reaction to it in BotW was even "Is that Ganon? Oh it's Link."
I think that botw is in the child timeline because the way ganondorf is positioned looks a lot like the way he died in twilight princess and in the teaser you hear his neck crack the same way zant broke his neck when he killed him
Title itself still holds up. He matches the tapesty perfectly, I have always thought that was Ganondorf. He looks like he WAS the ancient hero and sacrificed himself to lock in the evil. And the art of him they put out today looks like a heroic depiction, not the depiction of a villian. And looking at that art, it waters down the debunking of it not being him because he either has hair wrapped around his forehead or eyebrows so long they flow into his hair, AND hes got the beard. So a good portion of his face actually is red (and I really feel like they wanted to keep us guessing like this instead of making it look EXACTLY like him, undoubtedly.) To go further with other theories today and get into crazytown, if the Demise theory is correct, then Ganondorf might not even be the villian AT ALL. We really only see the malice shooting out of him and assume the voiceover is him, but it might not be. Maybe he's just expelling it. We might actually fight along WITH him, as we seem to be able to do with others from today's trailer, which would be wild.
That’s a cool concept. Ganondorf, an ancient hero that was praised and respected by hyrule until greed took over and his impure heart that split the triforce caused the triforce of power to seal the good and brought malice to course through his body and become feared by those who saw him as their saviour
I think the idea doesn't come from an unreasonable place though. I think it's just two different costumes but there's a theme of "time-reversal" in the abilities of your magic hand, (the stasis-backtrack ability) and the time-reversed droplet that takes you up into the sky, reminiscent of the fact that Hylians originated from civilization above the clouds, is highly suggestive of "the past". I don't think we are LITERALLY going back in time in the game's story, but I think that any time you're above the clouds using those droplets, it's like using the Timeshift stones in Skyward Sword, it brings you to a place that allows you to see the world from 10.000 years ago, and the "Old Hero's Tunic" is just a costume that literally is what the original hero wore from that prophecy. We're going forward as a sequel, but the story of the sequel will reference the truth of 10.000 years ago as a big focus of the game, is what my money's on.
About that "clock symbol" on the Hero's Arm in the tapestry: 6:00 I believe this clock to be the same symbol that we see on the back of his shield in the sky. 10:20 It could also be a part of the tattoos on his body (I haven't looked close enough to tell) I think this symbol or what it represents (the green energy? A sky people? Courage?) will be very important in the sequel. Funny how this symbol went under the radar in BOTW1 and could be the single link in story from BOTW1 to BOTW2...
The only reason I clicked this was because it's you Nayru and I knew you were going to be reasonable. Anyone else, I would pass. I really don't like this theory. If Nintendo gives us a Ganondorf game some day, I want it to be a Zelda Pikmin clone with bokoblins instead of pikmin and divine artifacts instead of ship parts. I don't get the idea that Ganondorf must be redeemed. People like to point out Wind Waker's Ganondorf, but I don't buy his good guy persona, he had Hyrule in his hands in Ocarina of Time and left his people in the desert and made them suffer like Nabooru. He's bad and that's what's fun about him. And I too believe BotW2's Ganon is the one from Twilight Princess. And I'm also 99% sure Nintendo won't give us a straight answer in the game.
WW's Ganondorf is not good, he wants the "Winds of Hyrule" for himself, not his people. He didn't care about his people even in OoT, when he conquered Hyrule, Gerudo still lives in the harsh desert. Nabooru knew that, that's why she wanted to dethrone him.
I love the idea of the ancient hero being Ganondorf but Ganondorf looks absolutely different from the character we see in Trailer #2. However, the tapestry bit makes complete sense and the tapestry person definitely looks more like Ganon than Link.
I believe this is a new reincarnation that was a Gerudo Male born after the death of OoT/TP Ganondorf. Urbosa says there was no males born since the one that became the Calamity, but there are untold centuries probably between TP and the battle depicted on the tapestry. So, many new Male Gerudo may have been born since, as one was born every hundred years, up until the Ganondorf incarnation that becomes the Calamity. The headpiece seems to be the sign of the leader of the Gerudo as both Urbosa and Riju wear them as well, and it's been established that the Male Gerudo must become king.
That is definitely Ocarina of time Ganondorf. They're going to go through all this set up and resurrecting a long dead ganondorf and not choose the most iconic version of him? Rather child or adult timeline, im certain this is Ocarina Ganon.
This is the second video now that I've seen that claims that you don't see links face in the trailer, but you do. In the clip where he has the flamethrower arm thing, he does a backflip and if you pause the video you can clearly see his face
True but people are making the argument that you don't see Link's face specifically while he is wearing the "ancient clothes," whereas he is wearing the Champion's Garb in the flamethrower scene. I don't think it matters either way, but that is the argument!
@@NayruYT true, but don't they both have the same hairstyle and the same (presumably) zonai or shieka augmented arm? You have to make some pretty far reaching assumptions to justify them being two different people. Lastly, gerudo have dark skin. Every iteration of ganondorf we've seen to the best of my knowledge has dark skin and red hair. How does it make sense for there to be a light skin blonde ganondorf? It's not impossible, but it is a big reach. Even the painting of ganondorf has long red hair. The only thing that's similar between them is the clothes, everything else about the playable characters we see indicates that it's link.
Another thing that I think is being assumed is that, while yes, the "hero" in the painting is probably ganondorf, it's a zonai painting isn't it? They refer to him as a great hero, but that's just from their perspective. One people's hero is another people's villain. The heroic things he did may have only been beneficial to the zonai, while being adversarial to the hylians, or maybe he was just playing the good guy to get them on his side and then betrayed them. Oot ganondorf did the same thing.
@@nobody2021 Ooh the argument you bring up about Ganon possibly only being a hero from the Zonai perspective is really interesting, I hadn't thought about that!
Please somebody correct me, but I'm pretty sure you can see one half of Links face in the new trailer when he's wielding that fire spraying shield if you look close enough
This theory doesn't work, because are talking about 3 potentially different people instead of just 2. You have old dead Ganondorf the hero from the tapestry, and the character you play as. You did a good job of proving that the old dead Ganondorf isn't who we play as, but the hero on the tapestry could very well still be an iteration of Ganondorf. I don't think that's true necessarily, but it is a possibility.
My thought is. They go to find Ganon. Wake him. Tell him what his insanity has done. Tell him they need him to stop his malice. Takes some doing. Eventually. He helps by being apart of links arm.
The main thing that sticks out to me about every theory I've seen on this front is that most of them _completely ignore_ the issue of BotW's timeline placement. We know that it's sometime after the rest of the series, but not how long, nor which timeline; the best theory I've seen on the subject is that we play through a version of events so far in the distant future that it (or something very close) would happen eventually regardless of which timeline it occurs in, a "fixed point in time" if you'll excuse my Doctor Who. But even that is just a theory, and to get any reasonable idea of who this version of Ganondorf might be, you _have_ to resolve BotW's timeline placement, which we just can't yet. My absolute best guess, assuming that this version of Ganon isn't wholly disconnected from the rest of the series with a handwave and a noncommittal grunt like so many things in BotW, is that this is the corpse of the Ganondorf from OoT. Though there are many instances of Ganon reincarnating or being destroyed and later returning, they all happen after he has shed his humanoid form as Ganondorf and become the boarlike Demon King - the only time in the series where Ganondorf has reincarnated in Gerudo form is Four Swords Adventures. We've also seen multiple instances of Ganon's power continuing to influence the world even after his death, notably in The Adventure of Link and again Four Swords Adventures (it was the original Ganon's power "transcending time and space" that created the Shadow Links, the reincarnation of Ganondorf was almost entirely separate). This would potentially be supported by the headpiece and the position of the hand-seal matching TP, as you mentioned. If we assume that this is indeed the remains of the original Ganondorf, a few other notable things fall into place: - BotW _cannot_ take place in the Downfall timeline, as Ganon shed his human form entirely and was destroyed and half-reincarnated so many times he lost his personality and intelligence by the time of the original Legend of Zelda. - BotW _might_ take place in the Adult timeline, but it's a stretch. While WW Ganondorf's death pose matches the corpse better than TP Ganondorf's, the hand-seal doesn't line up, and he was turned to stone and buried at the bottom of the ocean. It would take a hell of a lot happening to get where we see him in the trailer. It is the only timeline where we've seen the Rito and Koroks before, though, but that's a totally different topic. - BotW _most likely_ takes place in the Child timeline, as the hand-seal would match up with the wound that felled him in TP, and it would not be the first time we've seen TP Ganon's power cause problems hundreds of years later (Four Swords Adventures again). If so, that would suggest to me that after Ganondorf's death, Ganon bided his time, eventually gaining enough strength to leave behind his body and become the Calamity. Who knows how many times the cycle repeated in between; it's interesting to think that a previous Ganon could rise again after a reincarnation has taken up the name and power, but we do already see TP Ganon and FSA Ganon both influencing the world at the same time, so it's not out of the realm of possibility that this is indeed the original. - The ancient hero _may_ have been a reincarnation of Ganondorf, but we have no direct evidence for or against it besides the hair and skin color on the tapestry, and it seems unlikely. I'm also going to hazard a strong guess here and say that the theories about the game happening in two time periods and switching between are wrong. There's nothing in the trailers that seems to suggest that to me, and I don't think it would mesh particularly well with BotW's formula. I'd be happy to be proved wrong on that, though.
The reverse raindrop animation through time back to an ancient looking area in the sky that doesn't seem to exist from below, where you can look down and clearly see areas lacking ruins that should exist, present alongside other strong theming such as a reverse-time stasis, and zonai influence who seem to be a tribe lost to time, doesn't suggest time travel to you?
@@warspyking No, it doesn't. It's not the first instance of floating islands hidden in the sky and invisible from the ground in the series - that's exactly what Skyloft was in SS. We do see some interesting play with Stasis and time manipulation, but that seems to be quite localized just like Stasis as time freeze in BotW1; it's a far cry from full fledged time travel. And ancient history influencing the present has always been a heavy theme in the series. I would much more readily believe flashbacks than time travel, but that also seems unlikely.
@@warspyking Of course they're focusing on this "new Skyloft". The largest draw of the original BotW was exploration, the open world and freedom to approach the game however you want to. The new area to explore is bound to be the focus after that huge success. I don't think it's going to be productive to read too deeply into the reverse raindrop thing - it could be a number of things besides time travel, even just a gravity well of some sort (which would make total sense with the idea of, y'know, _flying up to floating islands_).
About the color of the hair and skin in the tapestry. The color is red, because it contrasts well with the background, if it was the same color as links actual hair and skin color, then the figure should have dark outlines, or the background should be darker.
I doubt we'll play as not-Link. That makes no sense. What could make sense though is that the "Hero" in the tapestry is Ganondorf, who gets possessed by The bringer of Demise's curse. Heck the sword he holds doesn't have to be the Master Sword... but maybe a certain other sentient sword?
@@houseofskulltulips well going by the Japanese version, Demise doesn't seem to be a name. It's a title "Bringer of Demise" My hypothesis is that the guy we call Demise is in fact the OG Ganon. And that Ganondorf is the bloodline the curse follows.
all the Ganondorfs we've seen are the same man, WW and TP Ganondorf are the same Ganondorf from OOT just in different timelines, Ganon from the Downfall Timeline is also OOT Ganon, he's not reincarnated, he's being constantly sealed and revived. I think the only one that's an actual reincarnation is the Four Sword one. Ganondorf has a stone on his head in all his iterations as well, so this corpse having a gem on his head doesn't connect him to a specific Ganondorf. I also want this Ganondorf to be a new Ganondorf cus we've never seen, in the flesh, a reincarnation of Ganondorf, especially one that isn't born evil. Another thing I'll point out is OOT Ganondorf starts with round ears but 7 years later his in game model does have pointed ears, and in both TP and WW, his ears are still pointed. Though idk why his ears would then be rounded if BOTW takes place after OOT. As for the player BEING Ganondorf.... tldr the blonde kid is Link reliving the memories of the past hero, who is being depicted in the tapestry, the tapestry is depicitng a new reincarnation of Ganondorf. I perosnally like the idea of the tapestry hero being Ganondorf cus it'd be a funny little twist. With his clothes matching the tapestry *and* the player's clothing, it's enough for it to be a red herring to me. And also the big nose. And the firery red hair, which we know is definitely red cus Zelda is depicted as clear as day blonde in the tapestry. The only thing thats off with it is the green eyes, but even then Links eyes are *blue*. (however Zelda in BOTW has green eyes 🤔), and Ganon's eyes are usually gold. Also BOTW is supposedly breaking tradition and Ganon being the Hero 10k years ago is as untraditional as it can get. I think the person we see in the trailer is indeed Link, not Ganondorf, but instead of *time travel* we're instead *reliving the Hero's memories* through gameplay while still physically looking like Link, like how in the Champions Ballad we relive our own memories but *our outfits change* during the Blight rematches. So it's Time Travel without actually being Time Travel (even without the Ganon is the Hero bit I like this idea). It's wonky, weird and full of holes but honestly I'll take it over more time traveling and timeline splitting and Hyrule Warriors/AOC levels of weird storybeats. Though the people who are saying the player is Ganondorf who Physically Looks Like Link and then Physically turns into Ganondorf re really weird people, and it's kinda silly and also kind of fucked up, and I'm not associated with them.
They are still rounded at the end of OOT. They look pointy from behind because of the polygons, but when he turns around you can see them still curving (the the best of the N64's ability) ua-cam.com/video/jVR03bMe0TA/v-deo.html And here is the same cutscene in OOT 3D showing definitively curved ears ua-cam.com/video/MTI-dNnjzNc/v-deo.html In official concept art of the final battle, he also has rounded ears cdn.staticneo.com/ca/ocarinaoftime_conceptart_CeZMP.jpg
What if in the final battle link gets corrupted by malice or starts getting corrupted to the point of gannon taking his body over at zelda ends up sealing ganon and anciet link in one body
I mean, the first hero COULD be Ganondorf that sealed all the malice into his body and became evil, BUT that tears into the very fabric of the universe origin of the while faith and triforce representation thing
Would be cool if the malice wasn't escaping from Ganon, but being generated by conflict between him and the hand? We could go all Princess Mononoke and have to make peace between them. Malice = resentment / conflict, maybe...
I really do think botw2 will be in 2 part where you explore the past like 10 000 years before the time of age calamity and then so 10 100 years before botw 1 and thats where you are the past link with the robotic arm fighting a new incarnation of ganondorf. The game could start where we left botw1 until we finally met momified ganondorf and get a flash back to explain the legend and replay it until we (the old link) finally defeated him with that arm and every remaining floating island comme down because the danger is gone. Then we snap back to present where due to the presence of link (the one we know) who is a descendant of robotic arm link ganondorf finally wakes up again (also because we defeated ganon in the first game and that give ganondorf back this extra power he needed). And then so the arm return to is master letting ganondorf free, causing the hyrule castle and some other islands to rise again to the sky because of the danger and so we have to recover the arms power and beat him again and seal him again. One part will be shorter than the other simillar to oot but im not sure wich one or maybe like in oot will got to jump back and forth in time to manage the arm. Sorry for my english i try my best.
@@houseofskulltulips Princess Hilda, Master Kohga, and King Bulbin. And that's just in canon Zelda lore. Cia also redeems herself in the 2nd version of the non canon Hyrule Warriors game. And that's just the Zelda series. In other franchises there's Count Bleck, Mimi, O'Chunks, Cranky Kong, Natasha, King Olly, Wario, King Dedede, Meta Knight, Malgor, Medusa, Dark Pit, Viridi, and Phosphora. And then there are villains who tend to switch sides every so often such as Bowser and Bowser Jr and even Ganondorf did some good deeds whether it be willingly or indirectly. Willing good deeds: Helping the Smash Fighters fight against Tabuu and later on Galeem and Dharkon. Destroyed plagues that haunted Hyrule before the events of Link to the Past. Spared Link and Zelda's lives on multiple occasions. Indirectly: Helped Zelda unlock her sealing magic Drew out villains who are much worse than him and this lead to their downfall.
I have to say It's weird to me that people think that the character in the trailer is supposedly Ganondorf, I thought this was just about the possiblity of Ganondorf being the old Hero in the tapestry. Which to me still could be the case, the long red hair and the rest of the body having the same red color, while Zelda in the Tapestry has "normal" skin color. To me it certainly seems possible while not being very likely. It would be interesting to see the person Ganondorf and Demises Curse being seperate and maybe Ganondorf somehow sacrificing himself to take in the curse and in turn becoming one with the curse or something like that
Hahah the way you say "a Ganondorf that's just *Link*" with such contempt makes it sound like you really hate Link. In context, of course, it's clear what you mean, but that sentence was funny :D
Can I post an interesting theory in the ancient tapestry look at what the heroes wearing he’s wearing red, green and blue and if you remember correctly, the colors, red green and blue represents power, courage and wisdom. Did anyone ever consider that this form of link might have the full Triforce
I came up with that kind of silly theory when the first trailer came out back in 2019. I thought that the ancient hero depicted in the tapestry looked more like a representation of Ganondorf than Link. But it barely makes sense that Ganondorf and Ganon are two entities apart. I don't think Nintendo would come up with that sort of complex scenario
It has sorta been done before. However, Ganondorf has never been shown as a reincarnation before. He's the same character that appeared in OoT and WW and TP, which could make this simply a new incarnated Ganondorf after he fully died at some point. But the power of Demise still lives on, the idea that as long as there's Link and Zelda, there will be a counterpart to them that they have to take responsibility for. In ALttP, TP and Skyward Sword there's the "supervillain" and the "sub-villain". They could simply make BotW-Ganondorf a new male-born Gerudo who is the king, and who rose up to the challenge of a sudden onset of a "Calamity", but that was looking for a host, and he was bestowed some destined power like the Triforce of Power, OR, he might just have been a power-hungry corruptible Gerudo King, so that by confronting it it used him as a host and he became Calamity Ganon, and the reason he was sealed in a crypt underneath the castle with some stasis-type of spell is because that was what Zelda did once he defeated the Calamity by becoming one with it, or something like that. Imagine you're ganon (xD) and you want more power than you already have. You're going to stop the biggest threat to the known continent in search for more power for the Gerudo, and gain more reputation with Hyrule, that's your true motivation, not to stop evil. Then you face the villain and it goes "I am a demon, I see great potential in you. You have a heart with no room for weakness. I can bestow you with unspeakable might, and grant you infinite power." and you're like "Oh damn, this is better than getting clout with the king!" and Ganondorf's like fuck yea "I will be known as Calamity Ganon!" and shit.
I do not believe that the person in the trailer is anyone except Link. But Ganondorf is just one Gerudo king. What if the Zelda of 10,000 years ago made the Gerudo king of that era her Chosen Hero, and that's who's depicted in the tapestry? It would be a fun twist if the mummy under the castle was the Ancient Hero corrupted by Ganon.
I'm not arguing anything about the character with the green arm. I'm pretty sure that's Link. What I am curious about is the Tapestry. It's kinda ridiculous for Nayru to say that the red hair is meaningless when the person on the left we can assume is Zelda has blonde hair wearing the white robe and has a square-like face. It's accurate to the outfit Zelda is wearing after you defeat Calamity Ganon. So the character on the right on the Tapestry has red hair, and a triangle like face, which is also red which honestly looks like Calamity Ganon's face. Which can only lead me to believe that either 1: That person IS Ganondorf. 2: It's Link wearing the Barbarian/Zonai armor, or 3: It's a whole new character completely that fits that description of having red hair, face and skin, with a triangle like face a moblin. Wait!!!!! COULD THE ZONAI BE SHORT MOBLIN LIKE PEOPLE!?
I only said that it is meaningless if your are trying to use the tapestry as proof that the figure in the tapestry is Ganondorf AND the figure with the green arm is also Ganondorf, since the skin colour of the tapestry figure and the green arm dude don't match up If you are just trying to make an argument about the figure in the tapestry being Ganondorf due to the skin colour, that is more fair.
@Nayru I just figured something out about link to the past the past since link's hair is pink in there that could be the theory that you guys are talking about right now
True! But honestly since making this video, I've come to feel that ear shape is a bit up in the air in terms of meaning since OoT Ganondorf has round ears despite being the same person as TP Ganondorf.
Considering BOTW heavy emphasis on different amours. And shieka technology was at its peak. As well as the fact that most of the figure in the tapestry is red. It's likely that the depiction of the ancient hero was just in red colored armor, or the admour was giving off a red aura (something we've also seen in previous incarnations). Also the final armour/tunic in a few of the games is red in color. Garudo aren't red, they are dark skinned, and there is brown in the tapestry.
Is it weird that I want a heroic Ganon/Ganondorf not just for the story possibilities but for the *gameplay* potential. I don't just mean playing as Ganondorf, but having the big bad be a *different* part of the Triforce trifecta of Ganondorf, Link, and Zelda. Imagine having to face a more cerebral foe who wields the Triforce of Wisdom? Or pull a Metroid Dread where the Triforce of Courage fuels an evil Link who relentlessly hunts you throughout the entire game.
What if the link with the green arm who we keep looking at in this trailer is a different Link? From the past, or different game who sacrificed himself to trap Ganon? Like Link from Ocarina of time or Link from Twilight Princess? What if we the game starts with how Ganon was trapped, allowing us to play as another hero of time set in the past and them we fast forward to present day? Wild theory but not out too wild lol
Another argument from the tapestry is the image of the princess. Her skin is the same color as the hero's skin. Is that to mean the princess was also a Gerudo who happened to have blonde hair? That would also mean the royal family became Gerudos, somehow, and later became Hylians again. It sounds silly.
Why I think they don't show the face: I think that costume, which is just a costume, has the emblem like Ganondorf's in the forehead. Otherwise I think it's gonna be called "Old Hero's Robes" or something, so by not showing the face Nintendo has made a mysterious connotation with it, and a duality between it and the more ordinary-looking Link in the trailer, even if it's just a costume. It suggests a deeper story meaning nonetheless.
I disagree on the outfit, I think it's easy to refute, those are clothes dog, anyone can put clothes on, you think Ganondorf has access to a specific outfit no one else does, fuck you get Ganondorf armor in the dlc, for the original botw, the dark armor, this could literally just be a novelty set like that was, I swear people read way too far into stuff.
I know nobody wants to acknowledge it because it's not canon but look at the ganon costume in hyrule warriors......the villain pulls ganondorf from a different age but what age we never had a ganondorf look like that
Throw this out there I think it might be Another Hero separate from link. Like his ancestor or something who stopped Gannon before but had to give his life to seal Gannon and use his arm to seal him. Maybe Zelda's mom from BOTW and her chosen champion. Just because of the way the first trailer shows them going deep in to some place that could be Hyrule castle. That looks like its abandoned lost to time. Or we could just jump 10 years later because link and zelda found the source of malice and caused Gannon to resurrect. The goddess raised the lands again, and link and zelda have to stop him. By having link in the future stop Gannon by sacrificing his arm to seal him in the past. I don't know though it would be kind cool twist that we see in ocarina of time.
I absolute love this Theory that I might have a idea theory even have more layers. What if Zelda is descent from Ganondorf. Theory Couldn’t be from 10,000 years, the royal family knew the calamity would come back but also knew about Gerudo and to insure a another victory. They arranged marriage to the princess and Gerudo king then mummified Ganondorf body in order to give birth to only girls. Proof if U want to read. Just think about it in ‘the spring of power flashback.’ Zelda said that her mother and grandma can hear the voice. And was 🤔 what you mean by that. Bc you’ll think that she only mention mother not the grandma. I find really suspicious that the royal family only gave birth to girl and no boy in botw especially they go on and on about girls being born in the royal family like it regular things; ntm they never confirmed there is a boy could born in the royal family. But in spirit track confirm the royal can have boy (I’m separated the two game as this happens before botw event) bc she didn’t say she help from her mother but her grandma instead. Ntm we never heard from other game that they give birth to only girl every time, for all we could they give a girl when the world is doom. It kinda left speculation. I rem this quote from creating a champion from pages 401. ‘According to Gerudo records there has not been another male Gerudo leader since the king who became the calamity.’ Now from I heard this confirmed that no boy was born as a Gerudo or someone misread that and the Gerudo is actually kill off the baby boy from birth. I know this is far fetch and I could be wrong due to lack of evidence and everyone brings confused by me and gammer. Plz me know
So the only think I found lacking in your argument about the tapestry is that the colors for the other images seem to be pretty close to what they actual are. They made Zelda’s hair gold and have a white dress, so there’s not really a reason I can see they wouldn’t do the same for Link. And Link’s hand is the correct color as well. With that said. I don’t think the character in BOTW2 is Ganondorf. But I also don’t think the person in the tapestry is Link. Or at least not Link as we know him. I think it’s a Ganondorf. One that became a hero instead of a villain. Maybe Denise and Link were reincarnated into the same body that go round?
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it would really be cool to see a different side of Ganondorf. A side of Ganondorf that doubts the pact between him and Ganon. I see Ganondorf and Ganon as two seperate entities, because in OOT, we hear from Zelda that Ganondorf is already dead when he turns into Ganon. Zelda said that Ganondorf is trying to make the castle fall into itself "during his last breaths". In Twilight Princess, he only turns back into his Gerudo form after turning into Ganon, because he was already dead.
I think the tapestry picture with the glowing arm and red hair is actually BOTW2 link maybe he just becomes more corrupted over time eventually during the last fight he’s almost taken over. The whole game could be stopping the malice infection
We definitely don't play as Ganon, and it's not Ganon in the shots that aren't showing Link's face... The ancient tapestry though.... That could be Ganon, unlikely since he wielded the master sword, but maybe that's what originally corrupted him and turned him into the evil ganon we know now. The tapestry is most likely of link when he was in Zonai times, the "zonai armor" has red hair and Link is known for receiving the garb of various races of Hyrule. I could see the Zonai liking Link for his skill and courage.
Bit of a nitpick. You mention "the Ganondorf from Twilight Princess and Ocarina of Time". We never actually see the TP Ganondorf in OoT. We do see Zelda looking in at him at the very end of the ending, but the only Ganondorf we ever see in OoT is the one who successfully entered the Sacred Realm, obtained the Triforce of Power, and ruled Hyrule for the seven years Link was in the Light Temple, until being defeated and sealed away until the events which lead to Wind Waker. TP Ganondorf was captured, "executed" (unsuccessfully, of course), and banished to the Twilight Realm before he could set into motion any of the events we saw over the course of OoT (except likely the downfall of the Deku Tree) thanks to adult Zelda sending young Link (and inadvertently the Triforce of Courage, causing other issues) back to a time before her earlier self initially met Link.
They are all the same Ganondorf, just in different timelines and points in time. The only new Ganondorf (aside from potentially BotW) is the one in Four Swords Adventures. Are you just making a semantic argument?
@@NayruYT Well, it's certainly a semantic argument, since they are after all **physically** both the same Ganondorf, because to simply refer to the TP Ganondorf and WW Ganondorf as "the same Ganondorf" is not really accurate, especially from a character perspective. They've been through extremely different experiences. WWG effectively "won" for seven years. Time he would have had to get familiar with the power granted him by the Triforce of Power, to plan for and research ways to get the other two thirds of the Triforce, to hone his abilities. TPG effectively had the Triforce of Power randomly given to him, then was immediately banished to the Twilight Realm, where he had to work directly through an intermediary to regain power. No wonder they show completely different demeanors in their respective games. They're effectively different characters.
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Also an argument: would be weird for "Ganondorf" to fight his own malice as shown on the tapestry
Very true!
Literal internal conflict. It could be a whole Dark Link vs Link thing but now we have Ganon who's fighting a Light version of himself since Ganon is of darkness.
I see Ganon and Ganondorf as two separate entities. Ganondorf is the Warlock, and Ganon is the Patron. And in this tapastry, Ganondorf is turning against his Patron, because he's sick of going insane over and over. However he gets infested with Malice during the fight, because he's still capable of feeling hatred. Hatred for the Hylians, because they were treating the Gerudo so poorly. So he died from the Malice Plague. And the reanimated corpse we see in the trailer is gonna be another blight. And Ganondorf has his shit together in his ghost form.
Not if he was just "Ganondorf, newborn Gerudo King" who was beckoned as a hero to stop "The Calamity" but precisely ended up getting lured by it. That would be a twist on the traditional Aghanim/Ganon, Ghirahim/Demise, Zant/Ganondorf trope of having a demon servant and its master, who ultimately are one and the same. If the theory is true then the prophecy is not wholly accurate as it's told in BotW, but Calamity Ganon IS defeated, cuz Ganondorf confronts it but succumbs to it as a host and Zelda binds it. It became taboo and Ganondorf's role in it was downplayed to cover up the fact that he was sealed away under the kingdom. That would then be the mistake Link is set up to make in BotW 100 years in the past and in the present of playing the game. The fortune teller mentioned in the diaries of Hyrule Castle either had an agenda to revive Ganondorf, or they simply believed that the Calamity could be repressed for eternity if Link and Zelda grew strong, not knowing that Ganon would be ready to overtake the Shiekah technology or that it was premature of Zelda to get so much spiritual training early in her life.
It would also share a "Ganondorf" motif that was in Ocarina of Time: Where there is a premonition and by trying to prevent it Ganondorf gets exactly what he wanted, like when Link was "destined" to stop Ganon, and Zelda wanted them to take the spiritual stones before Ganon could, but ending up giving Link access to the Door of Time prematurely, and letting Ganon get to the Triforce in the very same plan that was thought to keep it away from him.
I just have this to say ganondorf: begone Ganon I no longer wish to be evil I just wish to fish and raise sand-seals
I don't think the main character will be ganon but I really like the concept, it's really well thought out and I think you two did a great job explaining it!
Thank you, and I agree with you!
I don't either, but I think the "mysterious" clothes in the trailer will be a reference to the old hero of 10.000 years ago, and I think that old hero was actually Ganondorf. And it's a "heroic" Ganondorf who ended up becoming Calamity Ganon, and Zelda of 10.000 years ago sealed it away underneath Hyrule Castle. Then that became a prophecy about a "Princess and a hero who stopped Calamity Ganon". Might not happen but I could see them doing that. It's not too convoluted compared to some of the time-travely stuff they did in Skyward Sword (same director) but ofc, occam's razor would still be "Ganondorf is just Ganondorf aka the bad guy".
But I mean... it would even explain why the Gerudo abhor "Vai" so much. If they had their rare "male born every 100 years" back then, and he was their mascot, but he became a disgrace to Hyrule, that would probably be a mark of shame. And then they don't fancy the idea of every male-born being a worthy king for them.
finally someone else other than me thinks that orange haired man on the tapestry is Ganon. It just doesnt look like link to me.
I would be excited for Ganondorf to be a main part of the game. My main wish is for Rehydrated Ganondorf to be canon.
Wouldn't that be amazing
I think the most plausible explanation for the clothes in the Shrine of Resurrection would be that Ganondorf was a child when he was fighting the Calamity, but got infected with the Malice plague. He turned out a hot jock when he was an adult, however the Malice Plague just kept weakening him, until he died from it when he was 30. His ghost form looks like the hot rehydrated Ganondorf, so there's that.
It would also look cool if Link and Zelda travelled to the past, and saw Ganondorf while he's alive: hot Gerudo dude, ripped af, but has Malice spots. His Malice infested arm is covered with the arm piece of the Desert Voe set, while a quarter of his face is just Malice. It'd look cool, but would make for a tragic story about a former hero battling disease.
Ever since BotW Ganondorf hit puperty, he constantly had the flu. He was always coughing, always sneezing, and always weakened. When he started sneezing and coughing malice, that's what caught the Sheikah's attention. Well, at least the attention of the rebellious Sheikah that would later develop into the Yiga Clan, but these Sheikah did their best to treat Ganondorf's condition. They only came up with meds that he'd have to take for the rest of his life, to increase his life expectancy. Plus he had to go through daily exorcism in order to increase his life expectancy with the Malice Plague.
When he hit his 20s, pink and black spots started appearing on Ganondorf. He was feeling ok when he was medicated, except he was just getting tired easily. Still with meds. When his entire arm was covered in Malice, he hid it under the shoulder piece of the Desert Voe Set. He additionally wore a gauntlet, to hide his Malice infested hand. He couldn't really hide the Malice Infested part of his head tho.
It would be a hilarious situation tho. During battle: Ganondorf fights with his left arm, which is his dominant hand, but unfortunately the one rotted down by Malice
His arm just falls off, and just hangs by the belt of the shoulder piece on his hip
Soldier 1: passing out from seeing that abrupt amputation
Soldier 2: "How did your arm get to your hip?!"
After that battle, Ganondorf got a robotic arm from the Sheikah that served the Gerudo, and it left him with a mental scar.
dry ganon -> wet ganon
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Yes I do think the skin is “accurately colored” in the tapestry: Zelda is Blonde with Yellow Skin. The Hero (or standin) is Red Hair with Red Skin. Hylians-or at least the royal family-have traditionally been shown with blonde hair and pale skin (with golden undertones in BotW), not yellow. Gerudo have red hair and tan skin that has “reddish” undertones.
So yes. The tapestry is Accurate, that is a Gerudo in a Gerudo Garb (and it doesn’t have to be the same outfit Link is seen wearing in the trailer for the Tapestry and Corpse Ganondorf and Trailer Link to all be wearing the same style of Male Gerudo Garb.)
Also: the Guardians and Beasts existance. WHY were they developed at all when prior Links have used the Master Sword (or other sacred blades like the Foursword) and/or sacred arrows (light or silver) to seal or slay Ganon(dorf)? There’s also how the One-Hit Obliterator is literally shaped like the head of a trident and leaches health away like the Master Sword does if it does not find Link worthy to claim it.
My theory? The Ancient Link at some point died and was unable to confront the Calamity. This caused the Sheikah to develop alternate weapons like the Guardians and Beasts. Ganondorf also stepped up, and since he cannot wield the Master Sword (which is obscured by putting it in the Tapestry anyway), the One Hit Obliterator was developed for him to use instead along side the mecha army until Zelda could seal the Calamity.
However, he was later betrayed (or possibly willingly sacrificed himself) when he was found to be the source of the Malice…because his body&soul are still Cursed by Demise’s Malice.
-I still have my suspicions about That Hand and how Grabby Hands are WALLMASTERS and Ain’t Ever GOOD and Ghirahim has grabbed Like That before but whatever-
In BotW the Malice tried reviving into a humanoid shape from an eggsack. That was NOT “Ganondorf.” That was DEMISE after the Malice largely abandoned Corspe Ganondorf eons ago. And the whole plot of SS was Demise repeatedly leaking out of a Spiral Seal with or without Ghirahim’s meddling?
I’m just saying-it makes sense with what little we know, with the franchise lore, and it’s fresh for a gd change. And what’s darker than betrayal? Than a guy actually being innocent or hapless? It also would work with Hyrule’s Rebulding into a Brave New World-which to last would require Hyrule to confront its history and sins, as well as break the Cycle (that has as much to do with Hyrule’s Sins as it does a petty dark god demanding a rematch.)
it would be hilarious. Especially Link's and Zelda's reaction.
Zelda: "You're the ancient hero?! Why are you a Gerudo?!"
Ganondorf: "Din's fire Zelda! You can't just ask a person why they're a Gerudo!"
It would be even more hilarious if Link and Zelda time travelled, and found out that the Ancient Hero is not only Ganondorf, but also a kid. The clothes we find in the Shrine of Resurrection, meant for the Ancient Hero, are even too small for Link, meaning that the Ancient Hero must have been even smoller than Link. And it could still be Ganondorf, despite the Gerudos being VERY tall, it's just that he was a kid when he was the Ancient Hero. He was just a very gifted 5yo.
I always hear something about the hair and I’m just like “he already had long hair just put on the ancient helmet.”
Yes, but it's not red.
I believe the hero from the tapestry is Zonai because the barbarian helm has red hair
The Zonai.
Link on the tapestry with “red hair” is similar to link from link to the past with pink or red hair depending on your POV
the official artwork for ALTTP depicts Link as blonde, and its the same Link seen in ALBW, who is very much blonde.
I think like the memories of Zelda in the 1st we'll be finding memories of Ganondorf in this one.
life isn't fair, but it is always darkest before the dawn.
This makes sense because of the 8th heroine, this theory was really well done.
Admittedly, the tapestry depicts a Link unlike ANY incarnation we've seen before.
It always had a slightly Ganon-like appearance. Of course, the whole art-style looks peculiar, and so does Zelda, but it is strange how it's that red long hair. My knee-jerk reaction to it in BotW was even "Is that Ganon? Oh it's Link."
I think that botw is in the child timeline because the way ganondorf is positioned looks a lot like the way he died in twilight princess and in the teaser you hear his neck crack the same way zant broke his neck when he killed him
The neck crack is a good point, wish I had thought of that!
The only thing he is missing is the chest wound from getting stabbed.
Either way I agree with you, it makes the most sense to me that it's the child timeline Ganondorf.
@@wes_man there is a stab wound
Maybe it's just my eyes. Go watch the beginning of trailer 2, where Ganondorf stands up, at .25 speed. I just dont see it.
Title itself still holds up. He matches the tapesty perfectly, I have always thought that was Ganondorf. He looks like he WAS the ancient hero and sacrificed himself to lock in the evil. And the art of him they put out today looks like a heroic depiction, not the depiction of a villian. And looking at that art, it waters down the debunking of it not being him because he either has hair wrapped around his forehead or eyebrows so long they flow into his hair, AND hes got the beard. So a good portion of his face actually is red (and I really feel like they wanted to keep us guessing like this instead of making it look EXACTLY like him, undoubtedly.) To go further with other theories today and get into crazytown, if the Demise theory is correct, then Ganondorf might not even be the villian AT ALL. We really only see the malice shooting out of him and assume the voiceover is him, but it might not be. Maybe he's just expelling it. We might actually fight along WITH him, as we seem to be able to do with others from today's trailer, which would be wild.
That’s a cool concept. Ganondorf, an ancient hero that was praised and respected by hyrule until greed took over and his impure heart that split the triforce caused the triforce of power to seal the good and brought malice to course through his body and become feared by those who saw him as their saviour
pretty sure ganondorf and ganon are not separate entities and that's just link wearin the barbarian helm
I love toga Link. Blue is the new green, and now toga is the new tunic!
Now we know the ancient hero was just his own separate zonai man
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Well i didn't expected that , but who knows , just hope Nintendo give some answers about the "green magical seal hand" .
I can already debunk the theory were going to the past, it's a sequel and not a prequel
I think the idea doesn't come from an unreasonable place though. I think it's just two different costumes but there's a theme of "time-reversal" in the abilities of your magic hand, (the stasis-backtrack ability) and the time-reversed droplet that takes you up into the sky, reminiscent of the fact that Hylians originated from civilization above the clouds, is highly suggestive of "the past".
I don't think we are LITERALLY going back in time in the game's story, but I think that any time you're above the clouds using those droplets, it's like using the Timeshift stones in Skyward Sword, it brings you to a place that allows you to see the world from 10.000 years ago, and the "Old Hero's Tunic" is just a costume that literally is what the original hero wore from that prophecy.
We're going forward as a sequel, but the story of the sequel will reference the truth of 10.000 years ago as a big focus of the game, is what my money's on.
About that "clock symbol" on the Hero's Arm in the tapestry: 6:00
I believe this clock to be the same symbol that we see on the back of his shield in the sky. 10:20
It could also be a part of the tattoos on his body (I haven't looked close enough to tell)
I think this symbol or what it represents (the green energy? A sky people? Courage?) will be very important in the sequel.
Funny how this symbol went under the radar in BOTW1 and could be the single link in story from BOTW1 to BOTW2...
Very interesting take!
I still think ganondorf is the ancient hero. Link just traces the steps Ganondorf took in ancient times, while doning the same outfit.
There is only one Ganondorf in different time lines
That isn't necessarily true! The Ganondorf in Four Swords Adventures is a reincarnation of him for sure.
The only reason I clicked this was because it's you Nayru and I knew you were going to be reasonable. Anyone else, I would pass. I really don't like this theory. If Nintendo gives us a Ganondorf game some day, I want it to be a Zelda Pikmin clone with bokoblins instead of pikmin and divine artifacts instead of ship parts. I don't get the idea that Ganondorf must be redeemed. People like to point out Wind Waker's Ganondorf, but I don't buy his good guy persona, he had Hyrule in his hands in Ocarina of Time and left his people in the desert and made them suffer like Nabooru. He's bad and that's what's fun about him.
And I too believe BotW2's Ganon is the one from Twilight Princess. And I'm also 99% sure Nintendo won't give us a straight answer in the game.
I am wholly on board for a Legend of Zelda / Pikmin crossover with Ganon and bokoblins haha
WW's Ganondorf is not good, he wants the "Winds of Hyrule" for himself, not his people. He didn't care about his people even in OoT, when he conquered Hyrule, Gerudo still lives in the harsh desert.
Nabooru knew that, that's why she wanted to dethrone him.
@@domennysometimesplays2484 Exactly my point.
8:55 the tapestry also aged, and maybe they didnt use yellow since it doesnt stand out much
The hero in the tapestry is the same hero from BOTW/BOTW2. Explanation: time travel...
Maybe through another gate of time.
maybe its like ac valhalla where your in the flashbacks but in your characters body
That's exactly what I think it is.
This theory could also lean into another theory I saw a while ago about the 8th heroine repersenting ganondorf
Not really because you're always playing from the back side of link not the front
I love the idea of the ancient hero being Ganondorf but Ganondorf looks absolutely different from the character we see in Trailer #2. However, the tapestry bit makes complete sense and the tapestry person definitely looks more like Ganon than Link.
But Ganondorf can't wield the Master Sword, so by all logical accounts it has to be an incarnation of Link shown in the tapestry.
@@houseofskulltulips he can’t now, but he could have if he were uncorrupted before.
Very underrated theory recap! Thank you!
Thank you very much!
I believe this is a new reincarnation that was a Gerudo Male born after the death of OoT/TP Ganondorf. Urbosa says there was no males born since the one that became the Calamity, but there are untold centuries probably between TP and the battle depicted on the tapestry. So, many new Male Gerudo may have been born since, as one was born every hundred years, up until the Ganondorf incarnation that becomes the Calamity. The headpiece seems to be the sign of the leader of the Gerudo as both Urbosa and Riju wear them as well, and it's been established that the Male Gerudo must become king.
That is definitely Ocarina of time Ganondorf. They're going to go through all this set up and resurrecting a long dead ganondorf and not choose the most iconic version of him? Rather child or adult timeline, im certain this is Ocarina Ganon.
Makes sense!
This is the second video now that I've seen that claims that you don't see links face in the trailer, but you do. In the clip where he has the flamethrower arm thing, he does a backflip and if you pause the video you can clearly see his face
True but people are making the argument that you don't see Link's face specifically while he is wearing the "ancient clothes," whereas he is wearing the Champion's Garb in the flamethrower scene. I don't think it matters either way, but that is the argument!
@@NayruYT true, but don't they both have the same hairstyle and the same (presumably) zonai or shieka augmented arm? You have to make some pretty far reaching assumptions to justify them being two different people. Lastly, gerudo have dark skin. Every iteration of ganondorf we've seen to the best of my knowledge has dark skin and red hair. How does it make sense for there to be a light skin blonde ganondorf? It's not impossible, but it is a big reach. Even the painting of ganondorf has long red hair. The only thing that's similar between them is the clothes, everything else about the playable characters we see indicates that it's link.
Another thing that I think is being assumed is that, while yes, the "hero" in the painting is probably ganondorf, it's a zonai painting isn't it? They refer to him as a great hero, but that's just from their perspective. One people's hero is another people's villain. The heroic things he did may have only been beneficial to the zonai, while being adversarial to the hylians, or maybe he was just playing the good guy to get them on his side and then betrayed them. Oot ganondorf did the same thing.
@@nobody2021 Ooh the argument you bring up about Ganon possibly only being a hero from the Zonai perspective is really interesting, I hadn't thought about that!
I'd buy a game where you play as Ganon! Heck yes! But I doubt they would do that without saying it.
Please somebody correct me, but I'm pretty sure you can see one half of Links face in the new trailer when he's wielding that fire spraying shield if you look close enough
True! But he's wearing his Hero's Tunic during that, and the argument tends to be that when we see him in the "old clothes," he's different
@@NayruYT I knew I got one detail about this shot twisted haha
This theory doesn't work, because are talking about 3 potentially different people instead of just 2. You have old dead Ganondorf the hero from the tapestry, and the character you play as. You did a good job of proving that the old dead Ganondorf isn't who we play as, but the hero on the tapestry could very well still be an iteration of Ganondorf. I don't think that's true necessarily, but it is a possibility.
My thought is. They go to find Ganon. Wake him. Tell him what his insanity has done. Tell him they need him to stop his malice. Takes some doing. Eventually. He helps by being apart of links arm.
The main thing that sticks out to me about every theory I've seen on this front is that most of them _completely ignore_ the issue of BotW's timeline placement. We know that it's sometime after the rest of the series, but not how long, nor which timeline; the best theory I've seen on the subject is that we play through a version of events so far in the distant future that it (or something very close) would happen eventually regardless of which timeline it occurs in, a "fixed point in time" if you'll excuse my Doctor Who. But even that is just a theory, and to get any reasonable idea of who this version of Ganondorf might be, you _have_ to resolve BotW's timeline placement, which we just can't yet.
My absolute best guess, assuming that this version of Ganon isn't wholly disconnected from the rest of the series with a handwave and a noncommittal grunt like so many things in BotW, is that this is the corpse of the Ganondorf from OoT. Though there are many instances of Ganon reincarnating or being destroyed and later returning, they all happen after he has shed his humanoid form as Ganondorf and become the boarlike Demon King - the only time in the series where Ganondorf has reincarnated in Gerudo form is Four Swords Adventures. We've also seen multiple instances of Ganon's power continuing to influence the world even after his death, notably in The Adventure of Link and again Four Swords Adventures (it was the original Ganon's power "transcending time and space" that created the Shadow Links, the reincarnation of Ganondorf was almost entirely separate). This would potentially be supported by the headpiece and the position of the hand-seal matching TP, as you mentioned.
If we assume that this is indeed the remains of the original Ganondorf, a few other notable things fall into place:
- BotW _cannot_ take place in the Downfall timeline, as Ganon shed his human form entirely and was destroyed and half-reincarnated so many times he lost his personality and intelligence by the time of the original Legend of Zelda.
- BotW _might_ take place in the Adult timeline, but it's a stretch. While WW Ganondorf's death pose matches the corpse better than TP Ganondorf's, the hand-seal doesn't line up, and he was turned to stone and buried at the bottom of the ocean. It would take a hell of a lot happening to get where we see him in the trailer. It is the only timeline where we've seen the Rito and Koroks before, though, but that's a totally different topic.
- BotW _most likely_ takes place in the Child timeline, as the hand-seal would match up with the wound that felled him in TP, and it would not be the first time we've seen TP Ganon's power cause problems hundreds of years later (Four Swords Adventures again). If so, that would suggest to me that after Ganondorf's death, Ganon bided his time, eventually gaining enough strength to leave behind his body and become the Calamity. Who knows how many times the cycle repeated in between; it's interesting to think that a previous Ganon could rise again after a reincarnation has taken up the name and power, but we do already see TP Ganon and FSA Ganon both influencing the world at the same time, so it's not out of the realm of possibility that this is indeed the original.
- The ancient hero _may_ have been a reincarnation of Ganondorf, but we have no direct evidence for or against it besides the hair and skin color on the tapestry, and it seems unlikely.
I'm also going to hazard a strong guess here and say that the theories about the game happening in two time periods and switching between are wrong. There's nothing in the trailers that seems to suggest that to me, and I don't think it would mesh particularly well with BotW's formula. I'd be happy to be proved wrong on that, though.
The reverse raindrop animation through time back to an ancient looking area in the sky that doesn't seem to exist from below, where you can look down and clearly see areas lacking ruins that should exist, present alongside other strong theming such as a reverse-time stasis, and zonai influence who seem to be a tribe lost to time, doesn't suggest time travel to you?
@@warspyking No, it doesn't. It's not the first instance of floating islands hidden in the sky and invisible from the ground in the series - that's exactly what Skyloft was in SS. We do see some interesting play with Stasis and time manipulation, but that seems to be quite localized just like Stasis as time freeze in BotW1; it's a far cry from full fledged time travel. And ancient history influencing the present has always been a heavy theme in the series.
I would much more readily believe flashbacks than time travel, but that also seems unlikely.
These points make sense, but it really does feel like the only thing the trailers seem to be focusing on.
@@warspyking Of course they're focusing on this "new Skyloft". The largest draw of the original BotW was exploration, the open world and freedom to approach the game however you want to. The new area to explore is bound to be the focus after that huge success. I don't think it's going to be productive to read too deeply into the reverse raindrop thing - it could be a number of things besides time travel, even just a gravity well of some sort (which would make total sense with the idea of, y'know, _flying up to floating islands_).
Is it just me or does the link with the paraglider look more muscular? The one in the dark sky in the BOTW2 trailer.
Very well could be!
fantastic work! I might need to rewatch it a fair few times as its really got my brain going about the similarities
Plot twist: This actually isn't Ganon at all, and this is a completely new villain meant to continue the legacy of Ganondorf, his ancestor.
That’s actually Groose in the picture.
110%
About the color of the hair and skin in the tapestry. The color is red, because it contrasts well with the background, if it was the same color as links actual hair and skin color, then the figure should have dark outlines, or the background should be darker.
Twilight Princess Ganondorf IS Wind Waker Ganondorf, just on different timelines.
Indeed
I doubt we'll play as not-Link. That makes no sense.
What could make sense though is that the "Hero" in the tapestry is Ganondorf, who gets possessed by The bringer of Demise's curse.
Heck the sword he holds doesn't have to be the Master Sword... but maybe a certain other sentient sword?
But it's not a black sword shown...
@@houseofskulltulips true. But links hair si also not red.
The art is miskeading
@@TheAurgelmir You are correct, though I doubt that's Demise, lol.
@@houseofskulltulips well going by the Japanese version, Demise doesn't seem to be a name. It's a title "Bringer of Demise"
My hypothesis is that the guy we call Demise is in fact the OG Ganon. And that Ganondorf is the bloodline the curse follows.
@@TheAurgelmir I know about the og name, but he's not a Ganondorf.
Also feel like it is twilight ganon because if you look closely to the breath of the wilds ganon he has that head crest going on
Plot twist, the reason we don’t see the face is because it’s Zelda and that’s why her lullaby is playing at the end of the teaser
The issue with that is, the toga the mystery blonde wears wouldn't cover the chest entirely, and I don't think Nintendo is that bold
all the Ganondorfs we've seen are the same man, WW and TP Ganondorf are the same Ganondorf from OOT just in different timelines, Ganon from the Downfall Timeline is also OOT Ganon, he's not reincarnated, he's being constantly sealed and revived. I think the only one that's an actual reincarnation is the Four Sword one.
Ganondorf has a stone on his head in all his iterations as well, so this corpse having a gem on his head doesn't connect him to a specific Ganondorf. I also want this Ganondorf to be a new Ganondorf cus we've never seen, in the flesh, a reincarnation of Ganondorf, especially one that isn't born evil.
Another thing I'll point out is OOT Ganondorf starts with round ears but 7 years later his in game model does have pointed ears, and in both TP and WW, his ears are still pointed. Though idk why his ears would then be rounded if BOTW takes place after OOT.
As for the player BEING Ganondorf.... tldr the blonde kid is Link reliving the memories of the past hero, who is being depicted in the tapestry, the tapestry is depicitng a new reincarnation of Ganondorf.
I perosnally like the idea of the tapestry hero being Ganondorf cus it'd be a funny little twist. With his clothes matching the tapestry *and* the player's clothing, it's enough for it to be a red herring to me. And also the big nose. And the firery red hair, which we know is definitely red cus Zelda is depicted as clear as day blonde in the tapestry. The only thing thats off with it is the green eyes, but even then Links eyes are *blue*. (however Zelda in BOTW has green eyes 🤔), and Ganon's eyes are usually gold. Also BOTW is supposedly breaking tradition and Ganon being the Hero 10k years ago is as untraditional as it can get.
I think the person we see in the trailer is indeed Link, not Ganondorf, but instead of *time travel* we're instead *reliving the Hero's memories* through gameplay while still physically looking like Link, like how in the Champions Ballad we relive our own memories but *our outfits change* during the Blight rematches. So it's Time Travel without actually being Time Travel (even without the Ganon is the Hero bit I like this idea). It's wonky, weird and full of holes but honestly I'll take it over more time traveling and timeline splitting and Hyrule Warriors/AOC levels of weird storybeats.
Though the people who are saying the player is Ganondorf who Physically Looks Like Link and then Physically turns into Ganondorf re really weird people, and it's kinda silly and also kind of fucked up, and I'm not associated with them.
They are still rounded at the end of OOT. They look pointy from behind because of the polygons, but when he turns around you can see them still curving (the the best of the N64's ability) ua-cam.com/video/jVR03bMe0TA/v-deo.html
And here is the same cutscene in OOT 3D showing definitively curved ears ua-cam.com/video/MTI-dNnjzNc/v-deo.html
In official concept art of the final battle, he also has rounded ears cdn.staticneo.com/ca/ocarinaoftime_conceptart_CeZMP.jpg
Awesome! Glad I could participate, thanks again for the opportunity! Great video!
It was lovely to have you on the channel!
What if in the final battle link gets corrupted by malice or starts getting corrupted to the point of gannon taking his body over at zelda ends up sealing ganon and anciet link in one body
The main character probably is Link cause in the trailer you see the champion tunic
I mean, the first hero COULD be Ganondorf that sealed all the malice into his body and became evil, BUT that tears into the very fabric of the universe origin of the while faith and triforce representation thing
I want "Kid Ganon" as Hero so bad!!
Would be cool if the malice wasn't escaping from Ganon, but being generated by conflict between him and the hand? We could go all Princess Mononoke and have to make peace between them. Malice = resentment / conflict, maybe...
I think you play as a Link from the past at some point.
It would be interesting!
It's just link, we dont see his face because... He no longer has a NOOOOSE!
I really do think botw2 will be in 2 part where you explore the past like 10 000 years before the time of age calamity and then so 10 100 years before botw 1 and thats where you are the past link with the robotic arm fighting a new incarnation of ganondorf. The game could start where we left botw1 until we finally met momified ganondorf and get a flash back to explain the legend and replay it until we (the old link) finally defeated him with that arm and every remaining floating island comme down because the danger is gone. Then we snap back to present where due to the presence of link (the one we know) who is a descendant of robotic arm link ganondorf finally wakes up again (also because we defeated ganon in the first game and that give ganondorf back this extra power he needed). And then so the arm return to is master letting ganondorf free, causing the hyrule castle and some other islands to rise again to the sky because of the danger and so we have to recover the arms power and beat him again and seal him again. One part will be shorter than the other simillar to oot but im not sure wich one or maybe like in oot will got to jump back and forth in time to manage the arm. Sorry for my english i try my best.
What if Ganondorf reincarnated as Link’s arm?
Nope since Ganondorf's character appeal is that he may have redeeming qualities but he physically can't be redeemed.
I agree!
@@NayruYT and another reason is that Nintendo has redeemed quite a few villains already in the 2010's alone including other Zelda villains.
@@chadpeterson5698 The only Zelda villain I can think of who got redeemed is Byrne, who else was there?
@@houseofskulltulips Princess Hilda, Master Kohga, and King Bulbin. And that's just in canon Zelda lore. Cia also redeems herself in the 2nd version of the non canon Hyrule Warriors game. And that's just the Zelda series.
In other franchises there's Count Bleck, Mimi, O'Chunks, Cranky Kong, Natasha, King Olly, Wario, King Dedede, Meta Knight, Malgor, Medusa, Dark Pit, Viridi, and Phosphora. And then there are villains who tend to switch sides every so often such as Bowser and Bowser Jr and even Ganondorf did some good deeds whether it be willingly or indirectly.
Willing good deeds:
Helping the Smash Fighters fight against Tabuu and later on Galeem and Dharkon.
Destroyed plagues that haunted Hyrule before the events of Link to the Past.
Spared Link and Zelda's lives on multiple occasions.
Indirectly:
Helped Zelda unlock her sealing magic
Drew out villains who are much worse than him and this lead to their downfall.
@@chadpeterson5698 Master Kohga? He tries to kill you and never appears again
I have to say It's weird to me that people think that the character in the trailer is supposedly Ganondorf, I thought this was just about the possiblity of Ganondorf being the old Hero in the tapestry. Which to me still could be the case, the long red hair and the rest of the body having the same red color, while Zelda in the Tapestry has "normal" skin color. To me it certainly seems possible while not being very likely. It would be interesting to see the person Ganondorf and Demises Curse being seperate and maybe Ganondorf somehow sacrificing himself to take in the curse and in turn becoming one with the curse or something like that
Hahah the way you say "a Ganondorf that's just *Link*" with such contempt makes it sound like you really hate Link. In context, of course, it's clear what you mean, but that sentence was funny :D
You know they could have just used a link skin for the trailer.
We don’t know how young gerudo 5-17 look
Can I post an interesting theory in the ancient tapestry look at what the heroes wearing he’s wearing red, green and blue and if you remember correctly, the colors, red green and blue represents power, courage and wisdom. Did anyone ever consider that this form of link might have the full Triforce
nah thats groose
You know who also has red hair? The Hero of Legend!
yah, Zelda's Hair is blond in the tapestry, why not links?
I came up with that kind of silly theory when the first trailer came out back in 2019.
I thought that the ancient hero depicted in the tapestry looked more like a representation of Ganondorf than Link.
But it barely makes sense that Ganondorf and Ganon are two entities apart. I don't think Nintendo would come up with that sort of complex scenario
It has sorta been done before. However, Ganondorf has never been shown as a reincarnation before. He's the same character that appeared in OoT and WW and TP, which could make this simply a new incarnated Ganondorf after he fully died at some point. But the power of Demise still lives on, the idea that as long as there's Link and Zelda, there will be a counterpart to them that they have to take responsibility for. In ALttP, TP and Skyward Sword there's the "supervillain" and the "sub-villain". They could simply make BotW-Ganondorf a new male-born Gerudo who is the king, and who rose up to the challenge of a sudden onset of a "Calamity", but that was looking for a host, and he was bestowed some destined power like the Triforce of Power, OR, he might just have been a power-hungry corruptible Gerudo King, so that by confronting it it used him as a host and he became Calamity Ganon, and the reason he was sealed in a crypt underneath the castle with some stasis-type of spell is because that was what Zelda did once he defeated the Calamity by becoming one with it, or something like that.
Imagine you're ganon (xD) and you want more power than you already have. You're going to stop the biggest threat to the known continent in search for more power for the Gerudo, and gain more reputation with Hyrule, that's your true motivation, not to stop evil. Then you face the villain and it goes "I am a demon, I see great potential in you. You have a heart with no room for weakness. I can bestow you with unspeakable might, and grant you infinite power." and you're like "Oh damn, this is better than getting clout with the king!" and Ganondorf's like fuck yea "I will be known as Calamity Ganon!" and shit.
I do not believe that the person in the trailer is anyone except Link. But Ganondorf is just one Gerudo king. What if the Zelda of 10,000 years ago made the Gerudo king of that era her Chosen Hero, and that's who's depicted in the tapestry?
It would be a fun twist if the mummy under the castle was the Ancient Hero corrupted by Ganon.
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What if it was a zonai tribe member who wielded the sword and looked like ganon
Get all the shrines and you’ll see that nah, he doesn’t
If the link was "Ganondorf" then why does the corpse have a right hand in his chest? In which the current hero in the trailer has a robotic right arm?
Good questions that we talk about in the video!
just noticed the figure in the tapestry has red pants....... which people are known for wearing red..... the male gerudo set has red pants
I'm not arguing anything about the character with the green arm. I'm pretty sure that's Link.
What I am curious about is the Tapestry. It's kinda ridiculous for Nayru to say that the red hair is meaningless when the person on the left we can assume is Zelda has blonde hair wearing the white robe and has a square-like face. It's accurate to the outfit Zelda is wearing after you defeat Calamity Ganon.
So the character on the right on the Tapestry has red hair, and a triangle like face, which is also red which honestly looks like Calamity Ganon's face. Which can only lead me to believe that either 1: That person IS Ganondorf. 2: It's Link wearing the Barbarian/Zonai armor, or 3: It's a whole new character completely that fits that description of having red hair, face and skin, with a triangle like face a moblin.
Wait!!!!! COULD THE ZONAI BE SHORT MOBLIN LIKE PEOPLE!?
I only said that it is meaningless if your are trying to use the tapestry as proof that the figure in the tapestry is Ganondorf AND the figure with the green arm is also Ganondorf, since the skin colour of the tapestry figure and the green arm dude don't match up
If you are just trying to make an argument about the figure in the tapestry being Ganondorf due to the skin colour, that is more fair.
Reformed ganon. DEWIT
@Nayru I just figured something out about link to the past the past since link's hair is pink in there that could be the theory that you guys are talking about right now
If you guys keep forgetting Danny is a shape shifter
They have different ears, Twilight Ganondorf has sharp ears while BoTW Ganondorf has round ones.
True! But honestly since making this video, I've come to feel that ear shape is a bit up in the air in terms of meaning since OoT Ganondorf has round ears despite being the same person as TP Ganondorf.
Considering BOTW heavy emphasis on different amours. And shieka technology was at its peak. As well as the fact that most of the figure in the tapestry is red. It's likely that the depiction of the ancient hero was just in red colored armor, or the admour was giving off a red aura (something we've also seen in previous incarnations). Also the final armour/tunic in a few of the games is red in color.
Garudo aren't red, they are dark skinned, and there is brown in the tapestry.
Is it weird that I want a heroic Ganon/Ganondorf not just for the story possibilities but for the *gameplay* potential. I don't just mean playing as Ganondorf, but having the big bad be a *different* part of the Triforce trifecta of Ganondorf, Link, and Zelda.
Imagine having to face a more cerebral foe who wields the Triforce of Wisdom? Or pull a Metroid Dread where the Triforce of Courage fuels an evil Link who relentlessly hunts you throughout the entire game.
I wouldn't be opposed to it either! I just don't want him to look like Link haha
To be honest y’all shouldn’t have even had to make this video mfs know damn well that’s not ganon people are stupid
Haha at least it was fun!
What if the link with the green arm who we keep looking at in this trailer is a different Link? From the past, or different game who sacrificed himself to trap Ganon? Like Link from Ocarina of time or Link from Twilight Princess? What if we the game starts with how Ganon was trapped, allowing us to play as another hero of time set in the past and them we fast forward to present day? Wild theory but not out too wild lol
Another argument from the tapestry is the image of the princess. Her skin is the same color as the hero's skin. Is that to mean the princess was also a Gerudo who happened to have blonde hair? That would also mean the royal family became Gerudos, somehow, and later became Hylians again. It sounds silly.
I thought it was obvious that the Hero 10,000 years ago was just a red haired man with a beard.
Why I think they don't show the face: I think that costume, which is just a costume, has the emblem like Ganondorf's in the forehead. Otherwise I think it's gonna be called "Old Hero's Robes" or something, so by not showing the face Nintendo has made a mysterious connotation with it, and a duality between it and the more ordinary-looking Link in the trailer, even if it's just a costume. It suggests a deeper story meaning nonetheless.
I disagree on the outfit, I think it's easy to refute, those are clothes dog, anyone can put clothes on, you think Ganondorf has access to a specific outfit no one else does, fuck you get Ganondorf armor in the dlc, for the original botw, the dark armor, this could literally just be a novelty set like that was, I swear people read way too far into stuff.
I know nobody wants to acknowledge it because it's not canon but look at the ganon costume in hyrule warriors......the villain pulls ganondorf from a different age but what age we never had a ganondorf look like that
Throw this out there I think it might be Another Hero separate from link. Like his ancestor or something who stopped Gannon before but had to give his life to seal Gannon and use his arm to seal him. Maybe Zelda's mom from BOTW and her chosen champion. Just because of the way the first trailer shows them going deep in to some place that could be Hyrule castle. That looks like its abandoned lost to time. Or we could just jump 10 years later because link and zelda found the source of malice and caused Gannon to resurrect. The goddess raised the lands again, and link and zelda have to stop him. By having link in the future stop Gannon by sacrificing his arm to seal him in the past. I don't know though it would be kind cool twist that we see in ocarina of time.
I absolute love this Theory that I might have a idea theory even have more layers. What if Zelda is descent from Ganondorf.
Theory
Couldn’t be from 10,000 years, the royal family knew the calamity would come back but also knew about Gerudo and to insure a another victory. They arranged marriage to the princess and Gerudo king then mummified Ganondorf body in order to give birth to only girls.
Proof if U want to read.
Just think about it in ‘the spring of power flashback.’ Zelda said that her mother and grandma can hear the voice. And was 🤔 what you mean by that. Bc you’ll think that she only mention mother not the grandma.
I find really suspicious that the royal family only gave birth to girl and no boy in botw especially they go on and on about girls being born in the royal family like it regular things; ntm they never confirmed there is a boy could born in the royal family.
But in spirit track confirm the royal can have boy (I’m separated the two game as this happens before botw event) bc she didn’t say she help from her mother but her grandma instead. Ntm we never heard from other game that they give birth to only girl every time, for all we could they give a girl when the world is doom. It kinda left speculation.
I rem this quote from creating a champion from pages 401. ‘According to Gerudo records there has not been another male Gerudo leader since the king who became the calamity.’
Now from I heard this confirmed that no boy was born as a Gerudo or someone misread that and the Gerudo is actually kill off the baby boy from birth.
I know this is far fetch and I could be wrong due to lack of evidence and everyone brings confused by me and gammer. Plz me know
Ganondorf… the only black man in the zelda games
So the only think I found lacking in your argument about the tapestry is that the colors for the other images seem to be pretty close to what they actual are. They made Zelda’s hair gold and have a white dress, so there’s not really a reason I can see they wouldn’t do the same for Link. And Link’s hand is the correct color as well.
With that said. I don’t think the character in BOTW2 is Ganondorf. But I also don’t think the person in the tapestry is Link. Or at least not Link as we know him. I think it’s a Ganondorf. One that became a hero instead of a villain. Maybe Denise and Link were reincarnated into the same body that go round?
Awesome video, I don't know what to expect from the sequel..but I have my copy already pre-ordered 😂
how exactly did you even pre-order it? it hasn't even been confirmed for pre ordering O.o
@@femmemonsters2915 No idea why, but Best Buy has put it up for pre-order since June
@@ruhan4204 I see on Amazon they have it too, says December 2022
@@femmemonsters2915 Cool, just under 500 days...unless they have a few years of delays like normal.
@@ruhan4204 normally games that don’t have an official date tend to have the end of the year with December so it’s like a for now kind of thing, hoping they really don’t put it for the holidays
All ganondorfs from ocarina of time, twilight princess and windwaker are the same person
Almost true! Four Swords Adventure has the first new Ganondorf incarnation
@@NayruYT that's why I said "from ocarina of time, twilight princess and windwaker"
@@stachu5049 oops you're right, I misread that!
But also I did say that in the video haha
I also think the main character is Link. Ganondorf as the main could be great though, but it's definitely not happening with the sequel to BOTW.
it would really be cool to see a different side of Ganondorf. A side of Ganondorf that doubts the pact between him and Ganon. I see Ganondorf and Ganon as two seperate entities, because in OOT, we hear from Zelda that Ganondorf is already dead when he turns into Ganon. Zelda said that Ganondorf is trying to make the castle fall into itself "during his last breaths". In Twilight Princess, he only turns back into his Gerudo form after turning into Ganon, because he was already dead.
I think the tapestry picture with the glowing arm and red hair is actually BOTW2 link maybe he just becomes more corrupted over time eventually during the last fight he’s almost taken over. The whole game could be stopping the malice infection
We definitely don't play as Ganon, and it's not Ganon in the shots that aren't showing Link's face... The ancient tapestry though.... That could be Ganon, unlikely since he wielded the master sword, but maybe that's what originally corrupted him and turned him into the evil ganon we know now. The tapestry is most likely of link when he was in Zonai times, the "zonai armor" has red hair and Link is known for receiving the garb of various races of Hyrule. I could see the Zonai liking Link for his skill and courage.
But why?
Hopefully over the next 11 minutes you will understand!
Oh I see. Ha!
Bit of a nitpick. You mention "the Ganondorf from Twilight Princess and Ocarina of Time". We never actually see the TP Ganondorf in OoT. We do see Zelda looking in at him at the very end of the ending, but the only Ganondorf we ever see in OoT is the one who successfully entered the Sacred Realm, obtained the Triforce of Power, and ruled Hyrule for the seven years Link was in the Light Temple, until being defeated and sealed away until the events which lead to Wind Waker. TP Ganondorf was captured, "executed" (unsuccessfully, of course), and banished to the Twilight Realm before he could set into motion any of the events we saw over the course of OoT (except likely the downfall of the Deku Tree) thanks to adult Zelda sending young Link (and inadvertently the Triforce of Courage, causing other issues) back to a time before her earlier self initially met Link.
They are all the same Ganondorf, just in different timelines and points in time. The only new Ganondorf (aside from potentially BotW) is the one in Four Swords Adventures. Are you just making a semantic argument?
@@NayruYT Well, it's certainly a semantic argument, since they are after all **physically** both the same Ganondorf, because to simply refer to the TP Ganondorf and WW Ganondorf as "the same Ganondorf" is not really accurate, especially from a character perspective. They've been through extremely different experiences. WWG effectively "won" for seven years. Time he would have had to get familiar with the power granted him by the Triforce of Power, to plan for and research ways to get the other two thirds of the Triforce, to hone his abilities. TPG effectively had the Triforce of Power randomly given to him, then was immediately banished to the Twilight Realm, where he had to work directly through an intermediary to regain power. No wonder they show completely different demeanors in their respective games. They're effectively different characters.
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