In the other comment I made about knowing I was going to pledge from a young age, it was Delta for me. And then I was so disappointed when I saw how it was on my campus. Definitely gonna watch the patreon video.
@@tth715 I kinda wish I could be counted with you. Especially your sorority. Thought I would pledge since I was a kid. It was too extreme at my college. It didn’t feel like a sisterhood. And jeez, the diamonds went harder. I have a concussion, I could be getting the little sister name wrong. Please don’t come for me. Brain injury.
The hazing that happens to get into our black organizations turns me off. At HBCUs, there’s hazing for every damn thing. Hazing to get in the band, D9 orgs, the majorette team… other random orgs on campus, etc. We shouldn’t have to break each other down and humiliate each other.
Yep I was 19 and I remember being at work and we were all talking. I was the youngest worker. One girl was talking about hazing and it was sexual. I was like they had to do WHAT!!!! Completely turned me off. I told my aunt about it she’s high up. she said if you want to join and they ever make you do that call me! I was like naw I’m good!
Exactly..left this exact same comment. I went to an HBCU as well and shit was disgusting what I saw. Straight filth and hazing. Fuck no I ain't joining no shit like that regardless of the damn history.
@@MaejorArray yes the “whole break you down to build you up” logic is stupid. As Black people in America, most of us already have to go to hell just to make it to places like college and the military. We don’t need some artificial lesson on how to overcome adversity. Some people just have low character and get off on having power over others.
I remember getting invited to an aka teen brunch and seeing how rude and judgmental the ladies were talking about other girls hair and dresses. The also basically encouraged it among the girls. That immediately turned me off and kept me away through college.
I swear we always want something for free or damn near free. It cost money to pay the mortgages on headquarters. To send out materials to chapters. To keep our licenses up for government regulations. To issue out literally millions in scholarship money every year. Define mentorship programs every year. To find lobbying efforts at our local state and federal levels every year. To keep lawyers on retainer if somebody’s knucklehead kids refuse to follow the rules and do something stupid. Despite being told repeatedly not to do so. You’re talking about organizations that have 150 to 400,000 members. And at least each group has 30 to 60% active membership. You’re talking about millions to do regional conferences and then Millions more to do main conferences. All which is primarily going to black businesses. Two or three denounce have their own banks so that they can give business loans to members at lower rates and they will get a conventional bank. So yeah there’s an angle payment involved. Folks act like they’re paying and getting nothing back in return. Every chapter has extremely transparent accounting as mandated. Do you know where every dime is going and then some. As you can choose to volunteer to help with accounting if you want. I’ll tell you one thing you’re getting way more from the D9’s think you are from The Church.
@@rafiqtsm1451 You don’t have to bring the church into this, you could have just made your point and been done. But not everyone is living in a house on their campus. And from your perspective of course all of this make sense. But from a young person in their late teens, early 20s, telling them to fork over hundreds of dollars in cash when they’ve already taken out student loans AND none of the other students groups on campus are asking for gratuitous amounts of money (probably $20 dues or something) it’s no wonder they’d be hesitant to put their money towards something that’s not guaranteed. Paying the money is just the FIRST part of the process, they won’t talk to you until you pay up. I’ve been through Greek life on the White side. Money stops EVERYONE in their tracks. I’ve seen the looks of girls who were having a great time only to see their smiles disappear when the topic of money came up. If you ask me, it’s actually quite manipulative. Waving friendship and good times in someone’s face and then withholding it behind a paywall. The majority of the money goes to the work of the chapter and it’s the alumna that take care of the sorority as a whole. That’s a whole lot of stress to be putting on young members to take care of the organization as a whole. So it’s not really that women don’t want to pay, it’s that realistically it’s very weird to hear that in order to associate with people on a social level, you have to pay. Most people have never heard of such a thing before. People can join a campus volunteer group for all that.
I had family mad at me because they had a direct line to AKA acceptance and I chose a completely different route in life. Sentiments about me missing big opportunities and a lot of colorism / classism at play. They would tell me how they could set me up with all these well off frat bros (people they networked with I guess) sounded like I was getting setup to be pimped out.
I walked away from being a Delta for similar reasons. I’m settled in my career and all of my sr leadership are non men of color and 2 non women of color. Idk where pledging would’ve got me 🤣🤣🤣🤣 but I like where I’m at
@@nicolecooper1569 if she was hazing anyway she should’ve reported it to headquarters so they could probably respond with fines and arrest. Organizations are fighting hard against hazing and these knuckleheads refuse to follow line. This stuff wasn’t always like this hazing came in the late 70s. Folks brought Street toxicity into the sororities and fraternities not the other way around. Headquarters can’t rain folks in if victims refuse to report.
As a grad member of a D9 org, I would like to add that the elitism doesn’t stop once you’re in the org , ppl even within these orgs ostracize and often treat each other horribly. Thanks for sharing!
I always feel like I missed out on a small piece of life by never becoming an AKA. It’s just something I always wanted to do as a child. Now as an adult, I hear more and more of the other side of pledging and it’s very eye opening.
When I was rejected at 19 by a D9 org my self esteem plummeted. I felt like it was because I was dark and plus size and not pretty enough. Despite making all As and being super active in my community and on campus. I tried to commit suicide because my life dream was over
When I was in college at an HBCU these organizations were very trifling. I felt that they were for people looking for an easy ride in life and would damn near sell their soul just to be in. (Not saying that's true for everyone, but the shit I saw definitely made u feel that way). Then the fraternity men would just be hoeing out the sorority sisters. I was even more disgusted by that. I always said if thats what it takes just to join and be successful, I can do better on my own and refuse to be a begging ass woman for anyone or any group.
Yeahhhhh....there was a girl I knew in college who had a tight relationship with her bf...the min she pledged she cheated with a frat dude that was apart of crossing her...Till this day....I think sis was coerce into having sex with that frat dude that she ended up cheating on her bf with cause she was being abused in other ways as well while pledging. It's really sad.🙄.... there was also a scandal that quickly got brushed under the rug by D9 of female pledgies having to have sex with frats dudes to pay their financial dues with organization. Someone brought this up in a group and it was quickly taken down. They org is sus cause its cultural of silence not much different from other organizations society.
Sex is a huge theme in these organizations... especially during pledging. The frats on our campus got suspended many times for assaulting sorority pledges. It was pretty sad.
It’s the recruitment piece for me. I remember being so excited about college and wanting to join a D9 sorority. I asked about the recruiting process and was scolded. I was told they don't recruit, you show interest, and then they invite you. Okay cool, I went to a litany of events, too fucking many to list. Imagine how upset I was when I saw the line presentation (I can't think of what it’s officially called) one day. Mind you, I found out there was one girl who dropped line and they invited her back again and she dropped line AGAIN. What was even more fucked up, the only girl who wanted me was the lone white girl of the group. It left a bad taste in my mouth for sure.
I never understood why an aboriginal/Indian/black person would pledge to a GREEK organization... I personally didn’t like the rituals and the gang behavior.
This reminds me of what my homegirl went through when she was attending the University of Tennessee. She tried to pledge a D9 sorority, but she ain't made the cut, because they believe she wasn't black enough due to her wealthy upbringing, and she broke down in tears badly for days. She told me about the whole situation, and has even said of how much it took a toll on her self-esteem, so she decided to switch gears and rushed a white Panhellenic sorority instead to make her feel better, after which she ultimately went Alpha Chi Omega, and she became the happiest she's ever been.
I’m an AKA. I pledged because some of my mentors as a teenager were AKA’s. We did lots of great community service for sure. But I totally feel you. I think D9 separates more than it promotes unity. I think we should be rebuilding and reinvesting in our neighborhoods & our children. I’m just disappointed by where I see all this $$$ going to or better yet where it’s NOT going to. I think we could accomplish so much more good.
@@mariz_mariz You can be successful and still help those less fortunate than you. Absolutely every group in the world sees this but the BC. It serves no one for a doctor or an engineer to live somewhere where they can be killed walking out of their front door DAILY. Also let's not act as if others in that community would not have a problem robbing them. Hell people steal from the elderly who only have Social security and EBT benefits as an income. Why would they not harm someone who obviously makes far more money? The question you should pose is to yourself. If these individuals who obtained high paying jobs remained in the community, would you and the rest of the community help to maintain order? Would you and the others in that community help to protect everyone in that community so that those with money would feel safe? I went to a PWI. I never wanted to join any greek organizations. I'm a little awkward socially and I am good with that 😁. However my mom really was excited for me to join a D9. As a little black girl growing up in the country, most of the black teachers were either AKAs or Deltas. These were women for whom teaching was a passion. They were role models and encouraged my mother to excel academically. My mom never had the opportunity to go to college but she remembered those teachers. She couldn't wait to have a daughter to become a sorority sister to these women. There are pros and cons to these organizations. Lest we forget that many of the communities leaders throughout our history were members.
Look HBCU alumni don’t even reinvest back into the school did they graduate from, then they complain about the endowments and Ivy League schools and PW schools!!!!!!
@@angelaburress8586 That's a completely different issue, and if true, you have a point. But expecting a BP to continue to live in the hood when they can afford to live somewhere better is ridiculous. What responsible person would essentially sacrifice their family to make a point? Besides, improving the hood is the personal responsibility of the people living there in the form of behavioral changes.
@@mariz_mariz So you just skip over the part where many alumni do continue to serve the community without living in said community. 🤣🤣🤣. How convenient. Attending a HBCU is one of the better traditions to come out of the black community. I support them and I did not even attend one. Many thrive in those enviornments. It is not always easy to be a fly in the milk at PWIs. The world is not nor will it ever be equal. Having strong insitutions and traditions within groups is not a bad idea as long as it is used to foster the groups' success without attempting to bash others who are not in the group. Buddy I trust no one. We can become fractured at any minute. I'm sorry, WE ARE FRACTURED. It has always been so but the façade is no longer in place. Enjoy your idealistic world and I will continue to live in my very real reality. If HBCUs are not your thing, that is fine. However I want them their as a choice for my descendants.
I totally understand why a black person would want to join a PW sorority especially if they have always lived in white spaces. My cousin told me that I needed to join a particular D9 sorority and I honestly only heard about her pledging and then her pledging other people. I never heard about the fun that she had or if she actually liked her sorority sisters. I basically was told that you should join a D9 because it will help you get a job. I became a nurse. I never found myself in a situation that being apart of a D9 organization would had helped me get a job in a particular hospital.
@@midoscent You just made a general statement. Being in a Greek Organization doesn’t mean that you dislike each other. People may not like one other in their workplace.
As a member of the D9, you're so correct! I joined my org because I like the principles we were founded on, as well as the philanthropies we focus on. However, I put myself in debt to pledge Alumni chapter (and I don't really regret that part), but I'm not currently financial because 1. the money and 2. there are people in my chapter where I live that I honestly don't want to deal with due to their attitudes and elitist thinking. People would rather look down on you than check-in and on you like the family we're supposed to be would do. I love my sisters as a whole, but it doesn't always feel like they love me back and it's sad.
@@me3211 D9 members pay dues every year and it's called "being financial" when you pay, but if you don't, you're not considered financial. If you aren't, there are certain things you can't do.
Because of the mindset like this, D9 on smaller campuses disappear. I know my campus had one disappear. I remember one of the faculty members talking to me about how they recruiter differently and it could be brought back and asked if I would like to help with it. Ma'am, I'm a freshmen stem major. I barely have time for this conversation
I remember I asked my mom why she never pledged (she’s the demographic of women they would try to recruit) and she said she would never join an organization that enforced the brown paper bag test.
My experience is that on every college campus I was ever on or even partied at, there were all different types of skin colors in every single D9 sorority.
That’s the same reason my mom didn’t pledge. They didn’t know my mother was the last person to try that with because she absolutely hates that(all of her siblings are darker like their mother but she took on the coloring of their father, who is lighter) so she had heard all that colorism bs all her life…it angered her as a child and downright pissed her off as a young adult. Idk what she said when they tried to recruit her but hearing about her temperament when offended back in those days, she probably said something along the lines of “GTFOH, respectfully” and went about her business.
LOL i hung with the artsy stoner college kids lol...I had no time for ANY sorority. The black sororities did recruit but were so rude I was like why would i pay to deal with mean girls ack. I liked my college experience despite not joining an organization LOL....
I still struggle with my desire to join an org. Like I really wanted to. I’ve wanted to since I was a child. But I’m also anti-elite and I hate the catty nature I’ve seen. It appears to be secretive and you have to know someone but it’s like??? A sisterhood means I have to know an elite person, have extra discretionary income, be well educated and well liked, AND just magically figure out how to get in?? It’s a turnoff but I also just feel like I want to because I know I could do well and serve if I were to make it.
I must admit that as a D9 member, that many of our black brothers and sisters joined their organization for the wrong reason.Also, the levels of disrespect is obvious throughout the D9.🤦 Whatever happened to supporting each other? Whatever happened to respect yourself while in your letters. Many people that are not members refuse to join due to the many stereotypes. It is our duty to show people that we're more than stepping, parties, and D9 gear. Lastly, Ive experienced both the good, bad, and the ugly from our D9 over the years and pray that things get better. Love your channel! Wiley College, Fall 04, #3 SGRHO
I think we may hold young men and women who join D9s to higher and unreal idealistic standards. As someone who attended a PWI, I knew whyte guys who joined a fraternity to get girls and to help form connections for future jobs. I knew girls who joined because a sorority was the most popular, the members were considered the most attractive on campus, and to meet a husband via an event. Everyone is shallow no matter the race, especially at that age.
Reasons why I never joined one at my HBCU. I’m not sacrificing my integrity, character and morals just to fit into a group of women who may possibly not even have the best interest of me. Now so many years later, I have thought about maybe joining a graduate chapter but I’m unsure if it’s fully for me or not..
If you naively walk up to one and say that you're interested, they will laugh or mock you. I'm happy this conversation is starting to take place. Today you still see first-generation students who don't know who TF those D9 people are on campus or what they represent. They aren't serving in the community as deeply as they think. The comments under the Alabama videos were disappointing yet revealing for many reasons. The current model will still recruit girls and guys w/ in the D9 space but via the process will further put a wedge between them and the greater Black community. I recall you asking one Black girl on TikTok why she joined a white org, and her answer was it offered corporate access to TOP companies that lead to a job. Many of the girls (black and white) have said this.. I wonder if D9 orgs are really doing M&E work on the programs they are running in the community or how current members are doing as a result of their ties. It's something to think about....
Well sorry that’s your personal experience but in mine they are in the community all the time doing stuff. Especially the deltas are constantly out and about around the Jacksonville area. They easily spent a good hundred thousand more in scholarships. Not to mention the amount of money they’re spending on mentor ships, field trips to the universities, stem support for kids, and just last week they had a résumé writing seminar that was three hours long sponsored The Deltas and University of Florida. The Omega’s have A mentor ship here for young men as well. And they always doing stuff with those boys. The Tallahassee chapter has to have a good 50 boys in it. Jacksonville chapter I think has a good 25 boys in their‘s. And the Tampa Bay has almost 100 boys in their’s. That’s a lot of people volunteering to work with other peoples kids every weekend for free. Many of which have a lot of absentee fathers would like to pump and dump in women and move on about the way. Now I’m sure Some chapters that are doing absolutely nothing at all. But that doesn’t speak for the whole of the organizations. Some people get pretty tasty sweet potato pies and some people make trash piles. A chapter and a participation in community is only going to be as good as the members involved.
Yep I came from a small city and community College b4 I transferred to Uni. One of my friends at the time had told me that she wanted to join. I saw their booth under the Caf one day and decided to walk up and talk with them. I mentioned that my friend was talking about joining and left and didn't think anything about it. I told my friend about the encounter and she got so worked up and worried. I didnt mention her name so she was relieved. Its just never that deep to me. Like it's ridiculous some of the aloof and secrecy you experience 🙄.
That’s a good point, when you’re applying for a job at Google or Microsoft you’re more likely to have someone in HR reviewing your app that’s Chi Omega or Kappa Kappa Gamma than D9.
I joined a white sorority at my school and they were always curious as to why the D9 didn’t recruit like how they did. Even the white fraternities felt that way. Especially when there would be a new member class of 8 people every semester, but you’d see the same 6 alphas for 3 years straight. We literally watched SGRGO just die off when all their members graduated. That was in 2011 and they’re STILL gone. Being in a white sorority just LOOKS like more fun. Matching bright shirts, jubilant chants, introducing new members is done in the open sun and not some tiki torch march to the executioner’s block. It’s far from perfect, but at least it’s very enticing from the outside.
Being apart of a D9 org as an alumnae chapter member is something I was considering doing but with the way everything is secretive and you’re told to have discretion, I don’t understand how someone would be able to join. Like how can you have discretion but you also have to express interest? Sounds like a contradiction to me🤷🏽♀️.
And you’re not allowed to let anyone know you’re interested in one org because if they see you talking to another org then people will talk and you’ll kinda be blacklisted from all orgs on campus?
The entire point is they want to fossil really wanna be in it and that folks who are just looking to get letters and a jacket and then not want to do any work. Pledging is actually the easy part doing the work for the community is actually the hardest part of it and staying consistent is even harder. Even with the process we still have a lot of folks who just want to get jackets and then not do work. So is it a perfect process no but they imagine that if they just did open enrollment the results would be even worse.
It's always given me very much satanic cult-like vibes. A ton of my family members have been very involved with sororities & fraternities along with free masonry & eastern star organizations. My mom was the black sheep & didn't attend college like her siblings & cousins so we were too ghetto to be involved in such activities living in the trailer park lol. Thank God for small miracles.
I just couldn't get with it. The whole secrecy, elitism, power dynamics and the financial/time commitment just didn't seem worth it/ fitting of myself to me. I'm more of a hippie/free spirit. But I have friends who are a apart of these organizations. The things you learn......
Same. Most of my mom’s family are AKA’s and they’ve been wanting me to pledge. But like you, I’m pretty much an artsy hippie 😂 and not into sorority culture at all. They’re still trying to convert me though lol
I get why folks would be turned off by historically black Greek orgs but I’m not sure how that ends up translating to seeking membership in white sororities and fraternities. Many are just as elitist and IMO more meaningless and frivolous than D9 organizations, who actually do pretty extensive volunteer, philanthropic, and organizing work. They also don’t seem to have the same cultural relevance post-college. We won’t even get into the extensive history of racism and supporting white supremacy by most white fraternities and sororities. I get the visibility piece. The D9 orgs at my school (big state school) were super-secretive and none of my friends ( one of whom had a grandmother who was a Delta) who were interested were invited to pledge. But I never found most of the white sororities appealing or safe for black girls. There was a newer multicultural sorority that seemed appealing but I was too shy to consider looking into them more. There is an inherent elitism in Greek Letter orgs especially those with any history. Maybe there are newer ones founded on different principles or older ones trying to deconstruct that legacy.
I couldn’t do it. I was there when my friends (men and women) came home from their daily hazing. And then walked around like the were the creme de la creme. Like I’m sorry, you realize y’all are all abusive criminals right? And then continue to perpetuate that abuse on your kin in the name of “brotherhood” and “sisterhood.” I can’t get behind it. Not to mention I went to a PWI and recruitment was sooo low. But even my D9 friends knew not to check for me once they got in. I was pretty vocal about my disdain for the abuse.
Who is being Hayes and what year because the amount of anti-hazing drilled into the process in the past decade is pretty aggressive. Chapters of Suing kids left and right for being in violation in anyway. And some organizations have gone beyond that and even press charges. So organizations are not supporting hazing knucklehead she is refusing to listen maybe. But the days of organizations turning their head in ignoring it has long passed. Just like falls keep listening to the stupid ignorant hip-hop music and killing each other left and right. You can tell them to turn away from Ignorance. That it’s not a good idea but they do it anyway. You can only tell people what’s right and they can choose whether not to listen. But that’s not an organization that’s on those individuals
@@rafiqtsm1451 I graduated in 2017 friend, so this wasn’t long ago at all smh. individuals make up an organization, so if the individuals are still doing it in the name of the organization, it’s the on the org. It would be nice if a part didn’t represent the whole but when your means into an organization is through individuals, it’s not that simple.
@@rafiqtsm1451 Don't let the "anti-hazing" rhetoric fool you. Every organization and school will say "there's no hazing here", but they still haze. When I was away at school in 08-09, there was a guy that pledged AΦA and once he was done pledging he was walking funny for the rest of the semester. It was rumored that he got "bad wood", meaning he got hit with one those big wooden paddles the wrong way.
I lost a good friend over this same topic. I transferred to her college for sophomore year and I won’t say which sorority she was in but we were best friends in high school. We went to different colleges first year. So because I was so close to her I wanted to join the sorority she was in and I heard great things about it. Then during a convo about it, she says, “you can’t just join my sorority. You have to know your history and I don’t think you do. So you really need to do your hw on black struggle..and blah blah”. I was more hurt than turned off, because I was thinking- who are you? I thought we were best friends and you’re basically telling me I’m not good to join your sorority? And You’re saying I don’t know about being black? I didn’t try to join and we kind of started becoming distant after that.
She was right put in your work to earn your worth… you sound like you wanted to be in automatically for just being friends with her. So you are definitely not D9 material!
@@bluprecision1914 of course I didn’t think I could be in automatically. She had just gotten in the sorority. She wasn’t president, so she wouldn’t be able to do that. I wanted to go through the process of joining. We had been best friends for years in high school, literally sisters. Our mothers spoke to each other. I was very hurt for her to say that because it made it seem like she thought I wasn’t black enough, when she knew me really well. The only thing I wanted was her support. I really feel like the year she was there, the sorority changed her.
My sister is a Delta. Her characteristics after joining turned me off from any org. Historically, many D9s practiced rampant colorism and classism. I'm good. I prefer to be a united state of me. I don't do group think or in groupness in general. I join in on activities I enjoy but never get pulled into it to the point is become my identity and personality. That's weird
My grandma was born in 1938 and she said if you look at history, many AKAs only took in high yellow women! She said there was never sisterhood with those divine 9 women and men She said all of them were divided and they never came together until the 60s during civil rights movement 😮
It’s sad that members like this take all the “benefits” of the sorority and wait u til they’re almost 40 to speak against these organizations. The fact is most members of these organizations know it’s BS but they also know the perks (social status) that comes with the membership so instead of admiring this organization is SOLELY for clout they continue to mask it behind community service and principles that they know is cap. Meanwhile they ostracize students who are risking they’re own reputation calling these organizations (when they reputation still counts I.e. before 40) when they should be combining to advocate the closure or Atleast a change to these organizations. D9 ORGS ARE ONE OF THE MOST DETRIMENTAL CHALLANGES THE BLAXK COMMUNITY FACES specially because of the demographic it targets (the incoming black educated class). It has completely detailed so many doctors scientists lawyers congressman mayors etc you will practically through one semester away pledging and Atleast one trying to reap all the benefits from your initial sacrifice. This is not to mention the black men and women who die during the process
I had bounced around the idea of joining a sorority but when I kept hearing about the elitism, the rivalry, the steep annual fees, and the fraternity hazing rituals gone wrong, it turned me off of the idea completely. School’s exhausting enough - I don’t need drama and toxicity in my social life too.
I tried to join but wasn't chosen and it hit my self-esteem. I found out it was because I was best friend's with someone apart of another sorority. Politics on 💯🤷🏾♀️
I remember being invited to alot of AKA stuff I got an aunt in that stuff and i love her but that lifestyle just never fitted me.. they live different i cant do that 😅
The Military, Army, and PWI Frats + Sororities also have, so it's not subject to HBCU's. My sis wasn't hated, my dad doesn't confirm no r deny. I went to an HBCU for undergrad (my whole family did) but also after the Band's hazing issue they cut a lot of that hazing out. I will say a friend at a PWI was extremely lucky to be alive after a hazing incident with a group she was pledging for. At the end of the day some people want to join because of the community/brotherhood/sisterhood that the organization stands for! Not to shun people like some of these NEW AGE Sororities and Fraternities do. But I will say, if you went to an HBCU, you already feel part of a community/sisterhood/brotherhood. I see my Alum and it's nothing but love! And we help each other! I see another HBCU school, and we joke and get on each other but it's nothing but love for them too...cuz we chose an HBCU. It's the mindset of that organization at that school. I just don't feel like an 18 year old should make that choice, maybe someone in there JR/SR year should make that choice
And these demons become doctors, and nurses, lawyers, hospice workers, emt workers 🤢🤢🤢 if they do this to their own "sisters" and "brothers" what do you think these murdering animals are doing to unexpecting strangers who they deem "unworthy"?? It should be illegal and burned down
I got a booklet from my college about the sororities on campus and they were Panhellenic council. I had to go to the booths during orientation and freshman welcome to know about D9. Panhellenic and IFC had great marketing from the university but not the same attention for D9
My own elitism and classicism is directed towards being around ppl with similar values, similar out look and to some degree similar experiences as a BW who is well-educated professional woman. I wouldn’t deny anyone from any walk of life their human rights or human dignity just because I don’t want to socialize with them. I think if I tried to socialize with ppl from certain walks of life, I’d be met with hostility at best. I wouldn’t share common interests for entertainment, leisure, activities, travel, cultural events or fine dining. Among AA ppl, there is a lot of criticism of elitism and classicism, but for me it’s about being with like-minded people.
@@djosephineTy sis. Most ppl (like co workers) don’t even know I’m d9 or the neighbors in my condo community. I don’t really wear paraphernalia when I’m not working bec when I go to the grocery store or the post office, what’s the point. Further, I’m not well groomed when I’m off from work. I be at the grocery store in a wrinkled tee shirt! When I’m off from work, I don’t really meet the standards that paraphernalia should be worn. That’s my personal choice if I don’t feel like dressing up on the weekends and styling my hair like I have a job interview to go buy groceries, post office and cvs. No shade to women who have beat faces and layed and slayed hair to go to the laundromat, but I ain’t going!
There are nine black organizations that consist of Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity, Kappa Alpha Psi Fraternity, Omega Psi Phi Fraternity, Phi Beta Sigma Fraternity, and Iota Phi Theta Fraternity. Sororities consist of, Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Delta Sigma Theta Sorority, Zeta Phi Beta Sorority, and Sigma Gamma Rho Sorority which is my sorority.
I wanted to be a delta in college , but they really belittledvme and to think I was just buying their sisterhood... Which is really all I wanted is to be apartof something , got the books, attendedvmeetings, esearched and all... I just did not want to feel condensed by them which is how i felt. Smh.
I attended a PWI (Penn State) and the d9 organizations were corny AF. All they did was fight at parties and be known for drama amongst the already small black student population. The interest that I once had dried up even with me having d9 members in my own family. I eventually joined the order of the Eastern Star.
The hazing and jealousy deters new members. Many undergrad members don't join grad chapters. Charity starts at home. D9 and Pan-Hellenic Councils need to stop this madness. Frats and sororities need to help uplift the Black community. Also the animosity between Deltas and AKA's is tired. You all are sisters so act like it. That's factual history. The insults are demeaning and unprofessional.🤔
This would be a great conversation with non members and members at various levels. Those from hbcu s and pwis. This is a great topic to discuss between us because there is a level a classism simple due to the fact that many poc did not and couldn’t not attend college because keep in mind college being a norm is a relatively new thing. It is silly to prop up the idea of being wealthy, private travel, luxury goods as being a goal in our society and then rejecting the idea that a d9 wants to be considered elite and only want “the best”. Once again however this would be a great and eye opening conversation to have amongst ourselves. I do think while maintaining standards, you must adjust to the times. We need to have conversations about endowments and investing at hbcus and d9’s history through now to have a real understanding of our history so we can make sure our hbcus and d9’s have a strong and healthy future.
Hmmm...maybe different depending on where you live or pledge? Yes, I've run into some D9 elitists, but there are plenty of folks who are in my community who are active Pan-Hellenic Greeks. I'm a member of SGRho, in the deep south and we mostly work together sponsoring events, fundraisers, forums, etc. Most of the elites were also members of other groups like Boulé, Jack & Jill, or the Links, etc. That's another story...
I still want to pledge grad chapter. However, I totally get what u are saying because I have family who are in these sororities. Even with them being in these organizations I haven't heard much about it until I was invited to an event when I was in HS about to graduate. It's so secretive.
I just don't understand the whole hazing thing. Look, ain't no damn way I'm paying nearly a quarter of a million dollars in tuition to let some 19 year old brand and spank me just so I can be apart of a clique of future office middle management mf'ers.
So honest, I would’ve loved to have joined the D9. But had no clue they existed, my parents are Haitian, and raise in a pro dominantly white community. And they were not visible at my university 20 plus years ago.
I can understand why folks would take it personal but they’re trying to weed out the front hours from those who are seriously ready to be a service to the community. A lot of folks are just pledging I’m trying to place for a jacket and a little bit of clout but I don’t want to do the daily community work that these organizations mandate them to do. And I’m not saying it’s a perfect process but the fear is if you just make it super open you’ll get way more members Who will just waste time in fall off as soon as they finish the pledge process. They are looking for lifelong commitment and folks are really turned on by the dancing and the brotherhood from the outside but that Mundane and work you got a put in day in and day out. It’s really a shocker for a lot of folks. They’re just not cut out for it. These are not party organizations will you just meet up with your girlfriends I have a good time and dress cute and that’s it. And there are other photos of sororities who are only into that and that’s fine. But most of the D nines have a mandate to be of service to the community. That takes time and money and plenty of it. You’re talking about organizations literally giving out millions every year and scholarship money for their local areas. Funding mentorship programs community cleanup programs, lobbying to their federal and state representatives. Then you got a pay for the buildings that you have lawyers on retainer material supplies that you’re sending out all the chapters. This is a business to in such a way that is an official organization that Hass to maintain a certain level of standards and transparency to his members. Paying members want to see folks doing work and wanna see their money Getting things done.
I knew one delta growing up. No one else! She pledged grad-school. She talked about it proud but was secretive about it in any other aspect. I didn’t even know it was a college thing smh or the benefits. Just knew they were proud of colors.
I was so excited to rush Delta during my sophomore year, but it was a hot mess internally with all the organizations..there was a lot of tension, fighting and questionable activities. It didn't seem sisterly/brotherly at all. Lots of sexual & physical assaults during pledging. Not to mention the pyramid schemes paying those expensive fees. It wasn't for me.
I remember being on my 1st College Tour. An AKa was trying to recruit me, I didn’t like the energy she gave off. Total bitchiness and complete Socialism, etc. I’m happy I never did- never wanted to, I’m a free spirit. I was a total tomboy too- I guess it’s like as long as you’re attractive and you have the grades they want you. They made sure to try to send College dudes around me, to distract me and let down my guard. I just FT my current bf to tell them to leave me alone in a goofy way. So didn’t feel weird moving around. It’s like they mark territory (people) they want early.
I wanted to be in one of the D9 sororities so bad (not gone say which one), and I would ask around to figure out how to be apart of it. But I would always get the run around and was told to just “go to the events,” and “do my own research.” Later on down the line someone finally told me that they probably just didn’t want me. And I’m ngl, that hurt like hell lol like damn, y’all didn’t even want to give me a chance?
I would also like to point out that you can frame higher education as an idea, elitist as well. If we are navigating elitist spaces, is it not the duty for those of us in these high pressure spaces to find a space where we feel we belong? I never did join one of the D9 in undergrad, but I was friends with the girls who did and they had a bond of togetherness and sisterhood navigating academic spaces which still are not accepting of black and brown people. So I feel this arguement is a bit reductionist by calling it elitist or privileged. Once you enter higher education as a black person, you automatically gain a privilege according to society
I believe the elitism she is talking about is in the personality. You can go to college and all around find success higher than your peers without acting as if people are below you. D9 and the people in leadership positions inside can actively foster that type of thinking and make the whole experience much less likable.
@@lototheflo9640 well I was speaking from the aspect of someone who went to a school with a minority of black people. Its easy to speak about other options, but the reality on the ground in many institutions that are not HBCUs the Black Student Union and D9s are providing some of the only support black students have. We can talk about elitism surrounding the culture in HBCUs or schools with a high percentage of black students and maybe she did say that in her Patreon, but all in all, academia is elitist.
@@lototheflo9640 also about acting like people are beneath you, is it not also true that people put successful people on a pedestal. Would it not be good to address the need we all seem to have of putting people in the position above ourselves?
Imagine being a first-generation college student navigating a PWI and trying to find community with people that look like you (that just so happen to be in D9 orgs), and are made to feel like and outcast simply because you are not one of them. This happened to me and because of this I actively avoided these orgs like the plague. I found it bizarre that many would want to employ the same exclusionary tactics that we ourselves are subject to in the greater society. But hey that's human nature for you. It is flat out dishonest to claim that calling out the elitism within these groups is reductionist.
@@Liiinda4 personally I understand how you feel, this is one of the reasons why I didn't join any of them. However, I do not think that individual interactions is enough to label the entire organization. Like I have stated before, academia in and of itself is an elitist institution, therefore of course the structures within its walls will function similarly. One can argue that honor/secret societies, striving to attain an honors thesis, attending networking events, even attending Ivy Leagues can be seen as elitist. Hence why I said its reductionist. It reduces the conversation to elite vs non elite when everyone in the situations is in a situation of aiming for a higher privilege in society.
As a man of Alpha Phi Alpha NI made NGL affiliated. All I can say is if you know you know, and The D9 isn't living in the past. But, obviously some of you are✌🏿🖖🏿🙏🏿✊🏿❤️ #B1
Let’s be clear, these organizations were founded by young college students. Of course young people are capable of making said decisions. However, if a person finds they have made an ill decision, leaving said organizations is a very simple, drama free process. The lifetime commitment is At Will ONLY!
I've never heard of a Greek letter org, white or black, that was not elitist. Private organizations are elitist. They all have some sort of cost and some sort of pledging. I've actually heard of more hazing deaths from white frats than from blk ones. I just don't see how you trade a problematic black org for a problematic white one. If these orgs are problematic then don't join. As far as fun is concerned, I'm sure it's based on the University and the chapter, not the org itself.
I am a Delta. I did a video expanding my thoughts on this topic on my Patreon: www.patreon.com/posts/55255112
In the other comment I made about knowing I was going to pledge from a young age, it was Delta for me. And then I was so disappointed when I saw how it was on my campus. Definitely gonna watch the patreon video.
Hello Sorors!!!! 🔺🐘🔺
@@tth715 I kinda wish I could be counted with you. Especially your sorority. Thought I would pledge since I was a kid. It was too extreme at my college. It didn’t feel like a sisterhood. And jeez, the diamonds went harder. I have a concussion, I could be getting the little sister name wrong. Please don’t come for me. Brain injury.
You seem like a Delta.
Hey Soror! thank you for this video
The hazing that happens to get into our black organizations turns me off. At HBCUs, there’s hazing for every damn thing. Hazing to get in the band, D9 orgs, the majorette team… other random orgs on campus, etc. We shouldn’t have to break each other down and humiliate each other.
That's one thing that turned me away. Mind you at a PWI. So it's D9 everywhere.
Yep I was 19 and I remember being at work and we were all talking. I was the youngest worker. One girl was talking about hazing and it was sexual. I was like they had to do WHAT!!!! Completely turned me off. I told my aunt about it she’s high up. she said if you want to join and they ever make you do that call me! I was like naw I’m good!
Exactly..left this exact same comment. I went to an HBCU as well and shit was disgusting what I saw. Straight filth and hazing. Fuck no I ain't joining no shit like that regardless of the damn history.
@@ladydede88 I heard about this but honest to God did not want to believe it was true. I'm disgusted.
@@MaejorArray yes the “whole break you down to build you up” logic is stupid. As Black people in America, most of us already have to go to hell just to make it to places like college and the military. We don’t need some artificial lesson on how to overcome adversity. Some people just have low character and get off on having power over others.
I've always had the impression that the elitism is the point
What’s funny about that is a lot of us are only one or two generations out of the ghetto.
It definitely appears that way.
@@missy9897 and you (not you specifically) bout be the only one out (if you’re lucky). Your entire family likely never [gets to] leaves.
Same and I don’t rock with that.
Absolutely. Elitism and exclusivity are baked into the very concept of greek life tbh
I remember getting invited to an aka teen brunch and seeing how rude and judgmental the ladies were talking about other girls hair and dresses. The also basically encouraged it among the girls. That immediately turned me off and kept me away through college.
Omg same here. I was confused by why they were acting that way.
Wow that's sad that women behaved that way and encouraged young impressionable girls to do the same.
Me too... and they are some very callus people.
@@loverofallthingsbeautiful2 the men too...
Same invited me to a brunch said heels were required on campus.....like I rode a bike on campus🙄
I just get irritated that when I wear pink and green, it’s assumed that I’m an AKA and if not I shouldn’t wear that color combo.
They gangsters now🤣😂
🤣🤣🤣 yeah it's pretty stupid.
Exactly
Omg yeees like how you gon gatekeep colors! They're acting like gangs and it's flat out ridiculous
Riiiiiight
When I was told that you gotta PAY ANNUALLY to be apart of a sorority I said “welp, I’m good”
My mom did not understand why you had to pay so much money for friends or be a part of a sisterhood.
Lol like naw I’ll just make free friends lol
Don’t forget about being “financial” after graduation.
I swear we always want something for free or damn near free. It cost money to pay the mortgages on headquarters. To send out materials to chapters. To keep our licenses up for government regulations. To issue out literally millions in scholarship money every year. Define mentorship programs every year. To find lobbying efforts at our local state and federal levels every year. To keep lawyers on retainer if somebody’s knucklehead kids refuse to follow the rules and do something stupid. Despite being told repeatedly not to do so. You’re talking about organizations that have 150 to 400,000 members. And at least each group has 30 to 60% active membership. You’re talking about millions to do regional conferences and then Millions more to do main conferences. All which is primarily going to black businesses. Two or three denounce have their own banks so that they can give business loans to members at lower rates and they will get a conventional bank. So yeah there’s an angle payment involved. Folks act like they’re paying and getting nothing back in return. Every chapter has extremely transparent accounting as mandated. Do you know where every dime is going and then some. As you can choose to volunteer to help with accounting if you want. I’ll tell you one thing you’re getting way more from the D9’s think you are from The Church.
@@rafiqtsm1451 You don’t have to bring the church into this, you could have just made your point and been done.
But not everyone is living in a house on their campus. And from your perspective of course all of this make sense. But from a young person in their late teens, early 20s, telling them to fork over hundreds of dollars in cash when they’ve already taken out student loans AND none of the other students groups on campus are asking for gratuitous amounts of money (probably $20 dues or something) it’s no wonder they’d be hesitant to put their money towards something that’s not guaranteed. Paying the money is just the FIRST part of the process, they won’t talk to you until you pay up.
I’ve been through Greek life on the White side. Money stops EVERYONE in their tracks. I’ve seen the looks of girls who were having a great time only to see their smiles disappear when the topic of money came up. If you ask me, it’s actually quite manipulative. Waving friendship and good times in someone’s face and then withholding it behind a paywall. The majority of the money goes to the work of the chapter and it’s the alumna that take care of the sorority as a whole. That’s a whole lot of stress to be putting on young members to take care of the organization as a whole.
So it’s not really that women don’t want to pay, it’s that realistically it’s very weird to hear that in order to associate with people on a social level, you have to pay. Most people have never heard of such a thing before. People can join a campus volunteer group for all that.
I had family mad at me because they had a direct line to AKA acceptance and I chose a completely different route in life. Sentiments about me missing big opportunities and a lot of colorism / classism at play. They would tell me how they could set me up with all these well off frat bros (people they networked with I guess) sounded like I was getting setup to be pimped out.
You sure was! You wise for peeping that!
What route you decided to take in life?
@@Dallas3212 The “alternative black girl” route. I’m a guitarist and artist.
@@ashdacraft Way to go!! What courage!
I walked away from being a Delta for similar reasons. I’m settled in my career and all of my sr leadership are non men of color and 2 non women of color. Idk where pledging would’ve got me 🤣🤣🤣🤣 but I like where I’m at
Sorerities and fraternities always gave me illuminati bootcamp 🥴
Yes and it very much gives Free Masonry, lil bit cultish too, to each their own 🤷🏽♀️
I don’t believe in the Illuminati but it does give me culty vibes
Definitely cult vibes. My friend’s sorority did her so dirty, I was shocked she didn’t quit.
@@nicolecooper1569 if she was hazing anyway she should’ve reported it to headquarters so they could probably respond with fines and arrest. Organizations are fighting hard against hazing and these knuckleheads refuse to follow line. This stuff wasn’t always like this hazing came in the late 70s. Folks brought Street toxicity into the sororities and fraternities not the other way around. Headquarters can’t rain folks in if victims refuse to report.
@@rafiqtsm1451 Lol so it’s the victim’s fault. OK
Jesus Christ is the way, the truth, and the life!
As a grad member of a D9 org, I would like to add that the elitism doesn’t stop once you’re in the org , ppl even within these orgs ostracize and often treat each other horribly. Thanks for sharing!
did you pledge undergrad?
Would love to see a full-length video on this!
I have one on my Patreon is it linked in the pin comment.
@@jouelzy Thanks!
I always feel like I missed out on a small piece of life by never becoming an AKA. It’s just something I always wanted to do as a child. Now as an adult, I hear more and more of the other side of pledging and it’s very eye opening.
Yep. I always wanted to join one, but now I no longer regret it.
I am one and I wouldn’t encourage it, especially if you’re an independent, free thinker.
@@nicolecooper1569 same.
@@JoiaInATL Are you suggesting that you're thinking is now trapped or unfree?
@@JoiaInATL I agree as an SGRHO. Things got to get better!
“Eschew”…. Ain’t heard that since SAT prep class… well done
Simple
When I was rejected at 19 by a D9 org my self esteem plummeted. I felt like it was because I was dark and plus size and not pretty enough. Despite making all As and being super active in my community and on campus. I tried to commit suicide because my life dream was over
@Meghan Ford I am so sorry you when through that
Awwww love 🥲
Hate you had to go through that but glad you're here now.
I apologize. No one should have to experience that Sis. 🙏🏽
I’m so sorry that happened to you and I am so glad you survived that trauma.🙏🏾
So you have never put all your eggs in one basket ever again, right?
When I was in college at an HBCU these organizations were very trifling. I felt that they were for people looking for an easy ride in life and would damn near sell their soul just to be in. (Not saying that's true for everyone, but the shit I saw definitely made u feel that way). Then the fraternity men would just be hoeing out the sorority sisters. I was even more disgusted by that. I always said if thats what it takes just to join and be successful, I can do better on my own and refuse to be a begging ass woman for anyone or any group.
What do you mean easy run in life? How
They sold their souls... they have oath and sealed seals... they performed deep rituals as youngsters and say they are Christians too...
Yeahhhhh....there was a girl I knew in college who had a tight relationship with her bf...the min she pledged she cheated with a frat dude that was apart of crossing her...Till this day....I think sis was coerce into having sex with that frat dude that she ended up cheating on her bf with cause she was being abused in other ways as well while pledging. It's really sad.🙄.... there was also a scandal that quickly got brushed under the rug by D9 of female pledgies having to have sex with frats dudes to pay their financial dues with organization. Someone brought this up in a group and it was quickly taken down. They org is sus cause its cultural of silence not much different from other organizations society.
👆🏿 didn’t get looked at by any Greek organizations so she’s salty!
Sex is a huge theme in these organizations... especially during pledging. The frats on our campus got suspended many times for assaulting sorority pledges. It was pretty sad.
D9 organizations stands for the “Divine Nine” historically black sororities and fraternities.
thank you. I had no idea what D9 meant.
All fraternity are GREEK
It’s the recruitment piece for me. I remember being so excited about college and wanting to join a D9 sorority. I asked about the recruiting process and was scolded. I was told they don't recruit, you show interest, and then they invite you. Okay cool, I went to a litany of events, too fucking many to list. Imagine how upset I was when I saw the line presentation (I can't think of what it’s officially called) one day. Mind you, I found out there was one girl who dropped line and they invited her back again and she dropped line AGAIN. What was even more fucked up, the only girl who wanted me was the lone white girl of the group. It left a bad taste in my mouth for sure.
Damn that's sad!
I never understood why an aboriginal/Indian/black person would pledge to a GREEK organization... I personally didn’t like the rituals and the gang behavior.
Like why are we college educated but participating in gang behavior?
THIS!
It’s the gang behavior for me!!!
It really is the Greek thing for me. Rumor has it that real Greek people can't stand blacks. This is ridiculous.
LOL I died at gang behavior lol remember how these folks acted about boosie how you gonna use this mans song then get mad he wears your merch LOL
This reminds me of what my homegirl went through when she was attending the University of Tennessee. She tried to pledge a D9 sorority, but she ain't made the cut, because they believe she wasn't black enough due to her wealthy upbringing, and she broke down in tears badly for days. She told me about the whole situation, and has even said of how much it took a toll on her self-esteem, so she decided to switch gears and rushed a white Panhellenic sorority instead to make her feel better, after which she ultimately went Alpha Chi Omega, and she became the happiest she's ever been.
I’m an AKA. I pledged because some of my mentors as a teenager were AKA’s. We did lots of great community service for sure. But I totally feel you. I think D9 separates more than it promotes unity. I think we should be rebuilding and reinvesting in our neighborhoods & our children. I’m just disappointed by where I see all this $$$ going to or better yet where it’s NOT going to. I think we could accomplish so much more good.
Hi Soror. Didn't we just raise $2 million for HBCUs?
@@mariz_mariz You can be successful and still help those less fortunate than you. Absolutely every group in the world sees this but the BC. It serves no one for a doctor or an engineer to live somewhere where they can be killed walking out of their front door DAILY. Also let's not act as if others in that community would not have a problem robbing them. Hell people steal from the elderly who only have Social security and EBT benefits as an income. Why would they not harm someone who obviously makes far more money? The question you should pose is to yourself. If these individuals who obtained high paying jobs remained in the community, would you and the rest of the community help to maintain order? Would you and the others in that community help to protect everyone in that community so that those with money would feel safe?
I went to a PWI. I never wanted to join any greek organizations. I'm a little awkward socially and I am good with that 😁. However my mom really was excited for me to join a D9. As a little black girl growing up in the country, most of the black teachers were either AKAs or Deltas. These were women for whom teaching was a passion. They were role models and encouraged my mother to excel academically. My mom never had the opportunity to go to college but she remembered those teachers. She couldn't wait to have a daughter to become a sorority sister to these women. There are pros and cons to these organizations. Lest we forget that many of the communities leaders throughout our history were members.
Look HBCU alumni don’t even reinvest back into the school did they graduate from, then they complain about the endowments and Ivy League schools and PW schools!!!!!!
@@angelaburress8586 That's a completely different issue, and if true, you have a point. But expecting a BP to continue to live in the hood when they can afford to live somewhere better is ridiculous. What responsible person would essentially sacrifice their family to make a point? Besides, improving the hood is the personal responsibility of the people living there in the form of behavioral changes.
@@mariz_mariz So you just skip over the part where many alumni do continue to serve the community without living in said community. 🤣🤣🤣. How convenient. Attending a HBCU is one of the better traditions to come out of the black community. I support them and I did not even attend one. Many thrive in those enviornments. It is not always easy to be a fly in the milk at PWIs. The world is not nor will it ever be equal. Having strong insitutions and traditions within groups is not a bad idea as long as it is used to foster the groups' success without attempting to bash others who are not in the group. Buddy I trust no one. We can become fractured at any minute. I'm sorry, WE ARE FRACTURED. It has always been so but the façade is no longer in place. Enjoy your idealistic world and I will continue to live in my very real reality. If HBCUs are not your thing, that is fine. However I want them their as a choice for my descendants.
I totally understand why a black person would want to join a PW sorority especially if they have always lived in white spaces. My cousin told me that I needed to join a particular D9 sorority and I honestly only heard about her pledging and then her pledging other people. I never heard about the fun that she had or if she actually liked her sorority sisters. I basically was told that you should join a D9 because it will help you get a job. I became a nurse. I never found myself in a situation that being apart of a D9 organization would had helped me get a job in a particular hospital.
I know too many unemployed Greeks... they don't like each other
@@midoscent You just made a general statement. Being in a Greek Organization doesn’t mean that you dislike each other. People may not like one other in their workplace.
As a member of the D9, you're so correct! I joined my org because I like the principles we were founded on, as well as the philanthropies we focus on. However, I put myself in debt to pledge Alumni chapter (and I don't really regret that part), but I'm not currently financial because 1. the money and 2. there are people in my chapter where I live that I honestly don't want to deal with due to their attitudes and elitist thinking. People would rather look down on you than check-in and on you like the family we're supposed to be would do. I love my sisters as a whole, but it doesn't always feel like they love me back and it's sad.
What exactly do you mean when you say “currently financial?”
@@me3211 D9 members pay dues every year and it's called "being financial" when you pay, but if you don't, you're not considered financial. If you aren't, there are certain things you can't do.
@@kiairadavis5561 ah ha! Thanks so much for elaborating❤️
Because of the mindset like this, D9 on smaller campuses disappear. I know my campus had one disappear. I remember one of the faculty members talking to me about how they recruiter differently and it could be brought back and asked if I would like to help with it. Ma'am, I'm a freshmen stem major. I barely have time for this conversation
UMPH! Sis you has my sympathies…
A lot of them got suspended for hazing.
I remember I asked my mom why she never pledged (she’s the demographic of women they would try to recruit) and she said she would never join an organization that enforced the brown paper bag test.
My experience is that on every college campus I was ever on or even partied at, there were all different types of skin colors in every single D9 sorority.
@@TreasureChest0806 That wasn’t the point. Certain orgs have a history of colorism, and the history isn’t that far back.
That’s the same reason my mom didn’t pledge. They didn’t know my mother was the last person to try that with because she absolutely hates that(all of her siblings are darker like their mother but she took on the coloring of their father, who is lighter) so she had heard all that colorism bs all her life…it angered her as a child and downright pissed her off as a young adult. Idk what she said when they tried to recruit her but hearing about her temperament when offended back in those days, she probably said something along the lines of “GTFOH, respectfully” and went about her business.
LOL i hung with the artsy stoner college kids lol...I had no time for ANY sorority. The black sororities did recruit but were so rude I was like why would i pay to deal with mean girls ack. I liked my college experience despite not joining an organization LOL....
D9'S DON'T EVEN HAVE A CAMPUS HOUSE🙊😭😭😭
☕️ ☕️☕️
the alphas do now lol
They didn't on our campus...
We have one on my campus
Not true
No one really talks about how much it costs to join… the four figure fee is absolutely ridiculous to request from college students.
Yes my homegirls tried to pledge and they were like $750.00 back in 2007.
I am 4th generation legacy. My parents paid my fees.
Some people have it …
@@kelishahunter7630 yes but my point is that amount is not affordable for the average student.
It's undergraduate chapters that keep lawsuits going. They don't pay nearly enough in my humble opinion.
I still struggle with my desire to join an org. Like I really wanted to. I’ve wanted to since I was a child. But I’m also anti-elite and I hate the catty nature I’ve seen. It appears to be secretive and you have to know someone but it’s like??? A sisterhood means I have to know an elite person, have extra discretionary income, be well educated and well liked, AND just magically figure out how to get in?? It’s a turnoff but I also just feel like I want to because I know I could do well and serve if I were to make it.
Don’t join
We're not Greek. We're African. Let's build and celebrate around that.
That part👀💯
This was the part that I just couldn't get with.
Africans taught the Greeks
Facts
Exactly why I did not pledge!!
My feelings exactly. It's giving hierarchy and white supremacy.
Pleaaaasee make a whole video, @Jouelzy ! I have been waiting for this topic!
She did but it’s for patreons only.
@@amani4091 ooopp. I will be subscribing this evening!!! Thanks girl!
I must admit that as a D9 member, that many of our black brothers and sisters joined their organization for the wrong reason.Also, the levels of disrespect is obvious throughout the D9.🤦 Whatever happened to supporting each other? Whatever happened to respect yourself while in your letters. Many people that are not members refuse to join due to the many stereotypes. It is our duty to show people that we're more than stepping, parties, and D9 gear. Lastly, Ive experienced both the good, bad, and the ugly from our D9 over the years and pray that things get better. Love your channel!
Wiley College, Fall 04, #3 SGRHO
Agree. I appreciate your truth.
RIGHT.
I declined to follow my family tradition and pledge Delta. I just couldn’t see myself doing it after the cattiness and nastiness. I was good on that 🤣
I think we may hold young men and women who join D9s to higher and unreal idealistic standards. As someone who attended a PWI, I knew whyte guys who joined a fraternity to get girls and to help form connections for future jobs. I knew girls who joined because a sorority was the most popular, the members were considered the most attractive on campus, and to meet a husband via an event. Everyone is shallow no matter the race, especially at that age.
Hi, Soror! TES Chapter, Spr '17. Ace.
Reasons why I never joined one at my HBCU. I’m not sacrificing my integrity, character and morals just to fit into a group of women who may possibly not even have the best interest of me. Now so many years later, I have thought about maybe joining a graduate chapter but I’m unsure if it’s fully for me or not..
If you naively walk up to one and say that you're interested, they will laugh or mock you. I'm happy this conversation is starting to take place. Today you still see first-generation students who don't know who TF those D9 people are on campus or what they represent. They aren't serving in the community as deeply as they think. The comments under the Alabama videos were disappointing yet revealing for many reasons. The current model will still recruit girls and guys w/ in the D9 space but via the process will further put a wedge between them and the greater Black community. I recall you asking one Black girl on TikTok why she joined a white org, and her answer was it offered corporate access to TOP companies that lead to a job. Many of the girls (black and white) have said this.. I wonder if D9 orgs are really doing M&E work on the programs they are running in the community or how current members are doing as a result of their ties. It's something to think about....
It happened to me.
Well sorry that’s your personal experience but in mine they are in the community all the time doing stuff. Especially the deltas are constantly out and about around the Jacksonville area. They easily spent a good hundred thousand more in scholarships. Not to mention the amount of money they’re spending on mentor ships, field trips to the universities, stem support for kids, and just last week they had a résumé writing seminar that was three hours long sponsored The Deltas and University of Florida. The Omega’s have A mentor ship here for young men as well. And they always doing stuff with those boys. The Tallahassee chapter has to have a good 50 boys in it. Jacksonville chapter I think has a good 25 boys in their‘s. And the Tampa Bay has almost 100 boys in their’s. That’s a lot of people volunteering to work with other peoples kids every weekend for free. Many of which have a lot of absentee fathers would like to pump and dump in women and move on about the way. Now I’m sure Some chapters that are doing absolutely nothing at all. But that doesn’t speak for the whole of the organizations. Some people get pretty tasty sweet potato pies and some people make trash piles. A chapter and a participation in community is only going to be as good as the members involved.
@@rafiqtsm1451 I think that is wonderful and something the org at large to think about.Thanks for proving balanced critiques correct.
Yep I came from a small city and community College b4 I transferred to Uni. One of my friends at the time had told me that she wanted to join. I saw their booth under the Caf one day and decided to walk up and talk with them. I mentioned that my friend was talking about joining and left and didn't think anything about it. I told my friend about the encounter and she got so worked up and worried. I didnt mention her name so she was relieved.
Its just never that deep to me. Like it's ridiculous some of the aloof and secrecy you experience 🙄.
That’s a good point, when you’re applying for a job at Google or Microsoft you’re more likely to have someone in HR reviewing your app that’s Chi Omega or Kappa Kappa Gamma than D9.
I joined a white sorority at my school and they were always curious as to why the D9 didn’t recruit like how they did. Even the white fraternities felt that way. Especially when there would be a new member class of 8 people every semester, but you’d see the same 6 alphas for 3 years straight. We literally watched SGRGO just die off when all their members graduated. That was in 2011 and they’re STILL gone.
Being in a white sorority just LOOKS like more fun. Matching bright shirts, jubilant chants, introducing new members is done in the open sun and not some tiki torch march to the executioner’s block. It’s far from perfect, but at least it’s very enticing from the outside.
Being apart of a D9 org as an alumnae chapter member is something I was considering doing but with the way everything is secretive and you’re told to have discretion, I don’t understand how someone would be able to join. Like how can you have discretion but you also have to express interest? Sounds like a contradiction to me🤷🏽♀️.
And you’re not allowed to let anyone know you’re interested in one org because if they see you talking to another org then people will talk and you’ll kinda be blacklisted from all orgs on campus?
The entire point is they want to fossil really wanna be in it and that folks who are just looking to get letters and a jacket and then not want to do any work. Pledging is actually the easy part doing the work for the community is actually the hardest part of it and staying consistent is even harder. Even with the process we still have a lot of folks who just want to get jackets and then not do work. So is it a perfect process no but they imagine that if they just did open enrollment the results would be even worse.
You missing the point of it all to much to explain here .
It's always given me very much satanic cult-like vibes. A ton of my family members have been very involved with sororities & fraternities along with free masonry & eastern star organizations. My mom was the black sheep & didn't attend college like her siblings & cousins so we were too ghetto to be involved in such activities living in the trailer park lol. Thank God for small miracles.
Disaffiliated after undergrad college and alum years best decision of my life my soul felt lifted after
It seems elitism is their goal. I’m sure many don’t take that as a criticism.
I just couldn't get with it. The whole secrecy, elitism, power dynamics and the financial/time commitment just didn't seem worth it/ fitting of myself to me. I'm more of a hippie/free spirit. But I have friends who are a apart of these organizations. The things you learn......
Same. Most of my mom’s family are AKA’s and they’ve been wanting me to pledge. But like you, I’m pretty much an artsy hippie 😂 and not into sorority culture at all. They’re still trying to convert me though lol
Brown paper bag rule let's not forget
I get why folks would be turned off by historically black Greek orgs but I’m not sure how that ends up translating to seeking membership in white sororities and fraternities. Many are just as elitist and IMO more meaningless and frivolous than D9 organizations, who actually do pretty extensive volunteer, philanthropic, and organizing work. They also don’t seem to have the same cultural relevance post-college. We won’t even get into the extensive history of racism and supporting white supremacy by most white fraternities and sororities.
I get the visibility piece. The D9 orgs at my school (big state school) were super-secretive and none of my friends ( one of whom had a grandmother who was a Delta) who were interested were invited to pledge. But I never found most of the white sororities appealing or safe for black girls. There was a newer multicultural sorority that seemed appealing but I was too shy to consider looking into them more. There is an inherent elitism in Greek Letter orgs especially those with any history. Maybe there are newer ones founded on different principles or older ones trying to deconstruct that legacy.
white sororities are appealing to black people who have mostly white friends.
@@jaclyncartwright5186 Or who just don’t “fit in” with Black people.
@Official BADs Podcast This part always bothered me too 🤷🏽♀️
No lies were told
I couldn’t do it. I was there when my friends (men and women) came home from their daily hazing. And then walked around like the were the creme de la creme. Like I’m sorry, you realize y’all are all abusive criminals right? And then continue to perpetuate that abuse on your kin in the name of “brotherhood” and “sisterhood.” I can’t get behind it.
Not to mention I went to a PWI and recruitment was sooo low. But even my D9 friends knew not to check for me once they got in. I was pretty vocal about my disdain for the abuse.
Who is being Hayes and what year because the amount of anti-hazing drilled into the process in the past decade is pretty aggressive. Chapters of Suing kids left and right for being in violation in anyway. And some organizations have gone beyond that and even press charges. So organizations are not supporting hazing knucklehead she is refusing to listen maybe. But the days of organizations turning their head in ignoring it has long passed. Just like falls keep listening to the stupid ignorant hip-hop music and killing each other left and right. You can tell them to turn away from Ignorance. That it’s not a good idea but they do it anyway. You can only tell people what’s right and they can choose whether not to listen. But that’s not an organization that’s on those individuals
Same...they knew it wouldn't go well.
@@rafiqtsm1451 gurl, they go underground with it... and they have been suing people since forever... they just find better ways to get away with it.
@@rafiqtsm1451 I graduated in 2017 friend, so this wasn’t long ago at all smh. individuals make up an organization, so if the individuals are still doing it in the name of the organization, it’s the on the org. It would be nice if a part didn’t represent the whole but when your means into an organization is through individuals, it’s not that simple.
@@rafiqtsm1451 Don't let the "anti-hazing" rhetoric fool you. Every organization and school will say "there's no hazing here", but they still haze. When I was away at school in 08-09, there was a guy that pledged AΦA and once he was done pledging he was walking funny for the rest of the semester. It was rumored that he got "bad wood", meaning he got hit with one those big wooden paddles the wrong way.
I lost a good friend over this same topic. I transferred to her college for sophomore year and I won’t say which sorority she was in but we were best friends in high school. We went to different colleges first year. So because I was so close to her I wanted to join the sorority she was in and I heard great things about it. Then during a convo about it, she says, “you can’t just join my sorority. You have to know your history and I don’t think you do. So you really need to do your hw on black struggle..and blah blah”. I was more hurt than turned off, because I was thinking- who are you? I thought we were best friends and you’re basically telling me I’m not good to join your sorority? And You’re saying I don’t know about being black? I didn’t try to join and we kind of started becoming distant after that.
She was right put in your work to earn your worth… you sound like you wanted to be in automatically for just being friends with her. So you are definitely not D9 material!
@@bluprecision1914 of course I didn’t think I could be in automatically. She had just gotten in the sorority. She wasn’t president, so she wouldn’t be able to do that. I wanted to go through the process of joining. We had been best friends for years in high school, literally sisters. Our mothers spoke to each other. I was very hurt for her to say that because it made it seem like she thought I wasn’t black enough, when she knew me really well. The only thing I wanted was her support. I really feel like the year she was there, the sorority changed her.
@@Nallisn I can understand that as well…
She was 100% correct. You can’t just join a D9 without knowing the history behind the org and it’s roots.
My sister is a Delta. Her characteristics after joining turned me off from any org. Historically, many D9s practiced rampant colorism and classism. I'm good. I prefer to be a united state of me. I don't do group think or in groupness in general. I join in on activities I enjoy but never get pulled into it to the point is become my identity and personality. That's weird
My grandma was born in 1938 and she said if you look at history, many AKAs only took in high yellow women!
She said there was never sisterhood with those divine 9 women and men
She said all of them were divided and they never came together until the 60s during civil rights movement 😮
It was the casual usage of the word “eschew” for me
Explain?
It’s sad that members like this take all the “benefits” of the sorority and wait u til they’re almost 40 to speak against these organizations. The fact is most members of these organizations know it’s BS but they also know the perks (social status) that comes with the membership so instead of admiring this organization is SOLELY for clout they continue to mask it behind community service and principles that they know is cap. Meanwhile they ostracize students who are risking they’re own reputation calling these organizations (when they reputation still counts I.e. before 40) when they should be combining to advocate the closure or Atleast a change to these organizations. D9 ORGS ARE ONE OF THE MOST DETRIMENTAL CHALLANGES THE BLAXK COMMUNITY FACES specially because of the demographic it targets (the incoming black educated class). It has completely detailed so many doctors scientists lawyers congressman mayors etc you will practically through one semester away pledging and Atleast one trying to reap all the benefits from your initial sacrifice. This is not to mention the black men and women who die during the process
I had bounced around the idea of joining a sorority but when I kept hearing about the elitism, the rivalry, the steep annual fees, and the fraternity hazing rituals gone wrong, it turned me off of the idea completely. School’s exhausting enough - I don’t need drama and toxicity in my social life too.
Girllllllllllllllll TALK ABOUT IT! (I’m an AKA)
That is why I pledged a graduate chapter instead of undergrad. Less drama.
@RedRuby313thank you
I tried to join but wasn't chosen and it hit my self-esteem. I found out it was because I was best friend's with someone apart of another sorority. Politics on 💯🤷🏾♀️
I remember being invited to alot of AKA stuff I got an aunt in that stuff and i love her but that lifestyle just never fitted me.. they live different i cant do that 😅
Once I learned that they beat yo ass, I was OUT. I grew up in LA in the 90s and it just reminded me of gangs. Still does tbh.
The Military, Army, and PWI Frats + Sororities also have, so it's not subject to HBCU's. My sis wasn't hated, my dad doesn't confirm no r deny. I went to an HBCU for undergrad (my whole family did) but also after the Band's hazing issue they cut a lot of that hazing out. I will say a friend at a PWI was extremely lucky to be alive after a hazing incident with a group she was pledging for. At the end of the day some people want to join because of the community/brotherhood/sisterhood that the organization stands for! Not to shun people like some of these NEW AGE Sororities and Fraternities do. But I will say, if you went to an HBCU, you already feel part of a community/sisterhood/brotherhood. I see my Alum and it's nothing but love! And we help each other! I see another HBCU school, and we joke and get on each other but it's nothing but love for them too...cuz we chose an HBCU. It's the mindset of that organization at that school. I just don't feel like an 18 year old should make that choice, maybe someone in there JR/SR year should make that choice
I pledged AKA in 2009, and yes, you're right. Things need to change.
Some real secret society type shit. College is weird..
And these demons become doctors, and nurses, lawyers, hospice workers, emt workers 🤢🤢🤢 if they do this to their own "sisters" and "brothers" what do you think these murdering animals are doing to unexpecting strangers who they deem "unworthy"?? It should be illegal and burned down
No thank you!!!! You really hit the nail on the head!!!
I got a booklet from my college about the sororities on campus and they were Panhellenic council. I had to go to the booths during orientation and freshman welcome to know about D9. Panhellenic and IFC had great marketing from the university but not the same attention for D9
My own elitism and classicism is directed towards being around ppl with similar values, similar out look and to some degree similar experiences as a BW who is well-educated professional woman. I wouldn’t deny anyone from any walk of life their human rights or human dignity just because I don’t want to socialize with them. I think if I tried to socialize with ppl from certain walks of life, I’d be met with hostility at best. I wouldn’t share common interests for entertainment, leisure, activities, travel, cultural events or fine dining. Among AA ppl, there is a lot of criticism of elitism and classicism, but for me it’s about being with like-minded people.
The comment I was looking for 👏
@@djosephineTy sis. Most ppl (like co workers) don’t even know I’m d9 or the neighbors in my condo community.
I don’t really wear paraphernalia when I’m not working bec when I go to the grocery store or the post office, what’s the point. Further, I’m not well groomed when I’m off from work. I be at the grocery store in a wrinkled tee shirt!
When I’m off from work, I don’t really meet the standards that paraphernalia should be worn. That’s my personal choice if I don’t feel like dressing up on the weekends and styling my hair like I have a job interview to go buy groceries, post office and cvs. No shade to women who have beat faces and layed and slayed hair to go to the laundromat, but I ain’t going!
What are the D9 organizations?
Yeah, I don’t know. I’m guessing it’s apart of Greek life
Divine 9 - historically Black Greek Organizations
The black Greek organizations. AKA, Delta, Sigma, etc.
There are nine black organizations that consist of Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity, Kappa Alpha Psi Fraternity, Omega Psi Phi Fraternity, Phi Beta Sigma Fraternity, and Iota Phi Theta Fraternity. Sororities consist of, Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Delta Sigma Theta Sorority, Zeta Phi Beta Sorority, and Sigma Gamma Rho Sorority which is my sorority.
I wanted to be a delta in college , but they really belittledvme and to think I was just buying their sisterhood... Which is really all I wanted is to be apartof something , got the books, attendedvmeetings, esearched and all... I just did not want to feel condensed by them which is how i felt. Smh.
This yound lady is droppin' info!!
I attended a PWI (Penn State) and the d9 organizations were corny AF. All they did was fight at parties and be known for drama amongst the already small black student population. The interest that I once had dried up even with me having d9 members in my own family. I eventually joined the order of the Eastern Star.
The hazing and jealousy deters new members. Many undergrad members don't join grad chapters. Charity starts at home.
D9 and Pan-Hellenic Councils need to stop this madness. Frats and sororities need to help uplift the Black community.
Also the animosity between Deltas and AKA's is tired. You all are sisters so act like it. That's factual history. The insults are demeaning and unprofessional.🤔
This would be a great conversation with non members and members at various levels. Those from hbcu s and pwis. This is a great topic to discuss between us because there is a level a classism simple due to the fact that many poc did not and couldn’t not attend college because keep in mind college being a norm is a relatively new thing. It is silly to prop up the idea of being wealthy, private travel, luxury goods as being a goal in our society and then rejecting the idea that a d9 wants to be considered elite and only want “the best”. Once again however this would be a great and eye opening conversation to have amongst ourselves. I do think while maintaining standards, you must adjust to the times. We need to have conversations about endowments and investing at hbcus and d9’s history through now to have a real understanding of our history so we can make sure our hbcus and d9’s have a strong and healthy future.
When you have access to better things, you tend to move in circles that don’t even do the same things.
Can you explain a little more what you mean by this?
@@pisceanbeauty2503 elite people don’t tend to do the same activities as people of a lower social stature
@@courtney1427 social or economic.......?
Cause some of these people are still lower middle class 😂🤣
@@13579hee not talking about just Greek life here.
Hmmm...maybe different depending on where you live or pledge? Yes, I've run into some D9 elitists, but there are plenty of folks who are in my community who are active Pan-Hellenic Greeks. I'm a member of SGRho, in the deep south and we mostly work together sponsoring events, fundraisers, forums, etc. Most of the elites were also members of other groups like Boulé, Jack & Jill, or the Links, etc. That's another story...
I still want to pledge grad chapter. However, I totally get what u are saying because I have family who are in these sororities. Even with them being in these organizations I haven't heard much about it until I was invited to an event when I was in HS about to graduate. It's so secretive.
You hold the people as the org if you want it you will do it and make it better simple people gone be people
I’m gonna keep my 1906 mouth shut on this one😭😭
I just don't understand the whole hazing thing. Look, ain't no damn way I'm paying nearly a quarter of a million dollars in tuition to let some 19 year old brand and spank me just so I can be apart of a clique of future office middle management mf'ers.
So honest, I would’ve loved to have joined the D9. But had no clue they existed, my parents are Haitian, and raise in a pro dominantly white community. And they were not visible at my university 20 plus years ago.
All those fees and foolishness and NO CAMPUS HOUSES👀🙄Ridiculous
I can understand why folks would take it personal but they’re trying to weed out the front hours from those who are seriously ready to be a service to the community. A lot of folks are just pledging I’m trying to place for a jacket and a little bit of clout but I don’t want to do the daily community work that these organizations mandate them to do. And I’m not saying it’s a perfect process but the fear is if you just make it super open you’ll get way more members Who will just waste time in fall off as soon as they finish the pledge process. They are looking for lifelong commitment and folks are really turned on by the dancing and the brotherhood from the outside but that Mundane and work you got a put in day in and day out. It’s really a shocker for a lot of folks. They’re just not cut out for it. These are not party organizations will you just meet up with your girlfriends I have a good time and dress cute and that’s it. And there are other photos of sororities who are only into that and that’s fine. But most of the D nines have a mandate to be of service to the community. That takes time and money and plenty of it. You’re talking about organizations literally giving out millions every year and scholarship money for their local areas. Funding mentorship programs community cleanup programs, lobbying to their federal and state representatives. Then you got a pay for the buildings that you have lawyers on retainer material supplies that you’re sending out all the chapters. This is a business to in such a way that is an official organization that Hass to maintain a certain level of standards and transparency to his members. Paying members want to see folks doing work and wanna see their money Getting things done.
I go to a large HBCU and in my experience it’s based on popularity and clout 🤷🏾♀️
I knew one delta growing up. No one else! She pledged grad-school. She talked about it proud but was secretive about it in any other aspect. I didn’t even know it was a college thing smh or the benefits. Just knew they were proud of colors.
What is your definition of recruitment? I never recruited and I attended an HBCU.
I was so excited to rush Delta during my sophomore year, but it was a hot mess internally with all the organizations..there was a lot of tension, fighting and questionable activities. It didn't seem sisterly/brotherly at all. Lots of sexual & physical assaults during pledging. Not to mention the pyramid schemes paying those expensive fees. It wasn't for me.
I remember being on my 1st College Tour. An AKa was trying to recruit me, I didn’t like the energy she gave off. Total bitchiness and complete Socialism, etc. I’m happy I never did- never wanted to, I’m a free spirit. I was a total tomboy too- I guess it’s like as long as you’re attractive and you have the grades they want you. They made sure to try to send College dudes around me, to distract me and let down my guard. I just FT my current bf to tell them to leave me alone in a goofy way. So didn’t feel weird moving around. It’s like they mark territory (people) they want early.
😬 Not a single lie told ☕️🫖
Wasn't It in Black Fraternities and Sororities, that the paper bag test was the most enabled?
Brown paper bag test.
WELP!!
D9s are similar to elitism. They have these rituals to get in. Makes you wonder who really controls the world.
Think about it…. They are all our elite black caucus .
All of them are in a in an organization
Origins rooted in pagan Greek culture. Nuff said.
I wanted to be in one of the D9 sororities so bad (not gone say which one), and I would ask around to figure out how to be apart of it. But I would always get the run around and was told to just “go to the events,” and “do my own research.” Later on down the line someone finally told me that they probably just didn’t want me. And I’m ngl, that hurt like hell lol like damn, y’all didn’t even want to give me a chance?
Spike Lee needs to remake school daze
In my family there's plenty of D9's, generational, and I can't think of many nails you didn't hit.
Can we have a longer conversation around this? Because I had these same thoughts in school and it was not expanded on.
Taking wood?
For real!
I would also like to point out that you can frame higher education as an idea, elitist as well. If we are navigating elitist spaces, is it not the duty for those of us in these high pressure spaces to find a space where we feel we belong? I never did join one of the D9 in undergrad, but I was friends with the girls who did and they had a bond of togetherness and sisterhood navigating academic spaces which still are not accepting of black and brown people. So I feel this arguement is a bit reductionist by calling it elitist or privileged. Once you enter higher education as a black person, you automatically gain a privilege according to society
I believe the elitism she is talking about is in the personality. You can go to college and all around find success higher than your peers without acting as if people are below you. D9 and the people in leadership positions inside can actively foster that type of thinking and make the whole experience much less likable.
@@lototheflo9640 well I was speaking from the aspect of someone who went to a school with a minority of black people. Its easy to speak about other options, but the reality on the ground in many institutions that are not HBCUs the Black Student Union and D9s are providing some of the only support black students have. We can talk about elitism surrounding the culture in HBCUs or schools with a high percentage of black students and maybe she did say that in her Patreon, but all in all, academia is elitist.
@@lototheflo9640 also about acting like people are beneath you, is it not also true that people put successful people on a pedestal. Would it not be good to address the need we all seem to have of putting people in the position above ourselves?
Imagine being a first-generation college student navigating a PWI and trying to find community with people that look like you (that just so happen to be in D9 orgs), and are made to feel like and outcast simply because you are not one of them. This happened to me and because of this I actively avoided these orgs like the plague. I found it bizarre that many would want to employ the same exclusionary tactics that we ourselves are subject to in the greater society. But hey that's human nature for you. It is flat out dishonest to claim that calling out the elitism within these groups is reductionist.
@@Liiinda4 personally I understand how you feel, this is one of the reasons why I didn't join any of them. However, I do not think that individual interactions is enough to label the entire organization. Like I have stated before, academia in and of itself is an elitist institution, therefore of course the structures within its walls will function similarly. One can argue that honor/secret societies, striving to attain an honors thesis, attending networking events, even attending Ivy Leagues can be seen as elitist. Hence why I said its reductionist. It reduces the conversation to elite vs non elite when everyone in the situations is in a situation of aiming for a higher privilege in society.
So? It’s suppose to be. Everything isn’t for everyone and everyone isn’t invited. So I don’t get what the point of this one.
As a man of Alpha Phi Alpha NI made NGL affiliated. All I can say is if you know you know, and The D9 isn't living in the past. But, obviously some of you are✌🏿🖖🏿🙏🏿✊🏿❤️ #B1
Let’s be clear, these organizations were founded by young college students. Of course young people are capable of making said decisions. However, if a person finds they have made an ill decision, leaving said organizations is a very simple, drama free process. The lifetime commitment is At Will ONLY!
I've never heard of a Greek letter org, white or black, that was not elitist. Private organizations are elitist. They all have some sort of cost and some sort of pledging. I've actually heard of more hazing deaths from white frats than from blk ones. I just don't see how you trade a problematic black org for a problematic white one. If these orgs are problematic then don't join. As far as fun is concerned, I'm sure it's based on the University and the chapter, not the org itself.
That's what sadly turned me off from it. It's like fear and classism does not feel lime sisterhood to me.
Bunch of women just fluffing each other up
The origins of these organizations smfh