Hello. A real person with real PC specs here. I was lucky to get access to MSFS 2024 during the alpha weekend. I am "rocking" i7 8700, 32GB and RTX 3070. Non VR performance was good, no issues. Loading times excellent (on my 1Gb internet connection). I am using Quest 2 for my MSFS 2020 VR . There is a lot of room for improvement there but there are some good days depending on Windows 11 and NVIDIA driver updates . If non-VR MSFS 2024 is any indication I should be safe for next 2 years. I will definitely upgrade my PC during 2026/27 season. Forgot to mention, I preordered 2024. :-)
@@kovo313 that’s great to hear! I’ve got a very similar rig so was wondering how MS2024 would work. I get 60 odd fps currently on MS2020, so anything above 35fps on the new sim I’d be happy !
I'm building an AMD gaming/productivity PC with Ryzen 9700X, 32GB RAM, RX 7800XT on a 3440 x 1440p ultrawide. I can't wait to start my career in MSFS 2024!
True, 64GB of ram will help him but only because @bryanpascual3543 is building a gaming / productivity PC otherwise 32GB will suffice for most users. I do agree, we are in a time that 64gb Is so cost effecting it should be a great upgrade for most, as we typically run MSFS and a few extra pieces of software.
So happy that as a 1440p single screen player who does not stream my game I am good for now with my 3080/5800X3D/32gb ram. Rare for a new bunch of games to appear and still be good with a few yrs old system.
I am running an i9, 14900K, and a 4090 and cannot wait to see MSFS 2024 in my Rift S. Seems like it’s time to upgrade the Rift S to go along with the PC upgrade.
The multithreading helps with CPU, not GPU. World and object LOD was already a great way of alleviating any CPU issues. I'm more curious how/if/whether the Foveated rendering or any other changes will help with hitting a consistent 72fps without DLSS or adding more instrument blur.
Just subscribed mate, how have the UA-cam God not served me up any of your content yet, so glad to be here now :) This video is timely, as the newFS2024 might finally change the landscape for needing such powerful hardware, although the VR side of things is always a wild card. Great video mate.
I noticed on my 3090 that at least now my usage went from 40-60% in fs20 to 100% in fs24, runs much nicer now. Still had numerous crashes and stutters but was tech alpha so not including that for now
Time Stamps! RADAR CONTACT 00:20 EXPECT SOFTWARE IMPROVEMENTS 00:38 QUICK ANSWER 1:13 VR HARDWARE REQUIREMENTS 1:45 DO YOU NEED 64GB RAM 2:33 INTERNET SPEED 3:13 MULTITHREADED SUPPORT 3:53 3 TOP TIPS - 1 WAIT AND SEE 5:03 2 - WAITCH BLACK FRIDAY SALES 5:42 3 - GPU ADVICE BUY/SELL 6:00 SVEN SAYS GO AMD 7:18 JUST WAIT AND JUDGE FOR YOURSELF 7:50 MICROSOFT SETTINGS SIMULATOR TESTER 8:19 MY PLAN OF ATTACK 8:38 PCL - MSFS OFFICIAL HEADSET8:57 HOW TO SEE YOUR HARDWARE IN VR 9:13
@@theVRpilot It's time for a new rig and I'll wait for the upcoming 5000 series (currently on a 3090). I'll be watching reviews and benchmarks closely!!
Let's hope as a minum in this new sim you can achieve a stable 90 fps with no reprojection or dlss. Il take that over better lighting any day. All we really need is stability and clarity. Other visual glamour is irrelevant to us atm until we can run it cleanly at 90 fps
I'm with you Gizmo, stable FPS makes for a much better experience. I have a high tolerance for low FPS but that shouldn't make it ok. I LOVE it when the performance is high and FPS is high. It makes it for a real treat of an experience.
@@pm110978 2D of course, and a fellow simmer commented below he has a 3080 and rocks VR with slightly lower settings. Just depends what you’re willing to adjust! I’m thinking of grabbing a 3080 to test mid tier performance myself on an older rig.
I'm really hoping the multi threading and ram management, plus VR being built into 2024 native will help. Fast internet to get the best out of it as with 2020.
No VR improvements over MSFS 2020 are expected in MSFS 2024. 2-3 years ago Adobo disbanded the dedicated VR team, now VR is "a platform" = all sim features should work, no special focus on VR feature or performance improvements.
In 2024, we only need 16 or 32GB of RAM for gaming. In 2030, that's when we'll actually need 64GB of RAM for gaming. I know a few other games that require more RAM than the ideal spec of this flight simulator game.
I upgraded my 5800X3D to a 7950X3D. With Process Lasso properly configured it's a fantastic gaming CPU. I'm going to hold on to my 3090 Ti 24GB GPU for a while.
I too have used process lasso, and its pretty straight forward. My biggest thing is that simplicity is key for being able to jump in and have continous races or flights. The more headache we have to go through before hand the less likely folks are to jump in. Process Lasso should be built native into windows lol
Great question. I don't know the answer to that but likely NOT. The visual different with sliders at MAX and High and Medium is not quite what one might think. I suggest start with lower visuals, change a few, go for a pattern flight and see how it is.
I'm still going to need to upgrade, my 4080 only gets used about 20% while main thread is maxxed out. I hope the multithread will improve my 2024 performance but I still need to upgrade my CPU from this 7th gen Intel to the 9950x3d (it's coming out next month)
Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for upgrading the CPU, but the GPU upgrade won’t translate in double fps performance. It’s kind of weird. Simplest way I can put it is the extra overhead or cuda cores, does help. 4090 performance is better, but not always worth the price and won’t be double. If you are aware and ok with that then no sweat. I just want folks to have realistic expectations. MSFS VR is the “will it run crysis” of our current times followed by DCS VR. It’s demanding especially when trying to push high pixel headsets, but still totally worth it for the full immersive experience.
Thanks Jose, great videos, I have subscribed,I'm new to flight Sims, I just find Aerofly fs4 easy to use in vr, but I will purchase msfs 24,best regards
Im building a new pc for 2024 vr, with AMD 7800x3d (or 9800x3d-will see), 64gb ddr5, and keep my 4090 of course. Currently I have a 9700k and HP Reverb, later I want to replace it with a Pimax Cristal Light. As I see from your video the graphics + cpu usage is improved & optimized so I hope this pc will handle MSFS well.
A cautionary tale for current and prospective Meta Quest VR headset owners (for sim'ing or gaming): I'm on day 21 of Meta holding my Quest headsets hostage. I've been using Oculus/Quest devices from the day they started making them (10 years ago?), and I have not been required to give my date of birth to Meta in all this time. But they recently demanded my DOB under threat of disabling my Quests, and they made good on that threat 21 days ago. Meta can metaphorically brick your headsets, any time they want, and for any reason they want, and you will have no defense against it. Conclusion: Think carefully before you BUY anything from Meta; The thing you BUY will not be yours.
As a full cockpit owner (3 - 85” 4K Sony displays) I am hoping we will have better control over screen positioning. Otherwise my 5800x3D, 32GB Ram and Suprim Liquid RTX4090
I've had MSFS2024 installed for a couple of weeks now and finally got my HoneyComb Alpha/Bravo configured for the 4-5 basic configurations, and then saved the setup. However, the next day the configurations were not to be found!! Grrrrr. I've decided to reload 2020 for now until more of the bugs get worked out by Microsoft. Pretty rocky start!
Yeah! It’s been rough. Now, if you decide to venture back into 2024 for the fps improvement, your presets have been saved but they aren’t set to default. So it’s still annoying but when I load a plane, I enter the control menu and simply hit the arrow once or twice until I select the profile I made. I’ve also updated them and the updates sim to stick, but they don’t seem to stay as default. Even though you can click on them and set to apply to all and set as default. Pretty buggy! But the performance gains have been great, so I’m working through it.
I was able to pick up a 9800x3d. With all the shortages, I set an alert on Newegg, and happened to actually be able to check out. I am still not sure what I’m doing with it. I have a 10900k with a 3090. I guess I’ll see how it runs there. But I would like to do vr in 2024. So I have the cpu secured in case I want to build a new machine (the gpu decision is harder-get something now or wait until next year)
Wow! Great find! So one potential move is this. If I was in your shoes I would consider this. If you only need one PC, I would pick up a 4080 super IF you find a deal coming up in the next two weeks, and sell the 3090 and recover some cash. Now, if you wait, for the 5000 series to drop, which I like that idea too, the challenge there is stock for 5000 series GPU, and then the 3090 will be difficult to sell as people will want a higher tier gpu for the same value. i think a 4080 super for $1000ish give or take, lower is better of course, would be a decent move. The 5090 is speculated to be north of $2k and buying a 4090 doesnt double the 4080 super performance for double the cost. So recap, 4080 super if you find a good deal, and sell the 3090 now, unless you want to keep it for some 2nd pc or something else. Most folks dont need that. Good luck! Excited for you!
@ thanks. Yeah 4080super or open box deals on 4090 from micro center are on my radar. Maybe even upgrade to 5000 series later. Will see. My 3090 founders edition has served me well.
@@theVRpilot So, I'm getting 30fps on Ultra settings in 3440x1440, and 50fps on High. 3090 is fully used. CPU is barely at 30% usage. Wondering if upgrading to 9800x3d will even be worth it at this point. Guess I can save it for other titles and wait for the 5090.
@ I am buying everything now using Black Friday sales, except the gpu, going to wait until 5090 is out. And PSU-I was about to buy a bequiet 1200w unit, but now there is some confusion about how much power the 5090 will use and the possibility of it using TWO 16 pin connectors. I don’t know if the right psu for the 5090 is even on the market yet, so holding off there too. (Although this makes it a bit hard to test the rest of the system!)
Looking to upgrade my quest 2 to 3 as you say in the black friday sales. I'm sure some of the big box stores here in the UK will have a deal. Still rocking 5800x3d, 64gb ram and a 3080. But That should be OK for now. maybe knock some settings down.
Yup, also you will find lower settings in MSFS 20 and 24 dont always translate to terrible visuals. It has a lot to do with personal preference and tolerance for lower FPS as you bump graphics up, so start low and work your way up!
My machine is approaching 10 years old. I7 3.6GHz 4790 CPU. 32G DDR3 RAM. RTX 3050 running on PCIE one level below what it should be on. 2TB SSD primary drive. This was upgraded about 18 month or so ago and is about as far as it can go given the motherboard. Runs MSFS 2020 on ultra settings pretty well. I am somewhat concerned what I will get out of MSFS 2024 but only time will tell. Given my age being north of 60, my next PC will be my last. A full serious gaming machine will set me back 4,000 so that is serious coin. Getting the approval from the manager of household finances is the big impediment. Thing is, with the average lifespan of a motherboard is around 10 years it's due. But in 5 days 12 hours 38 minutes I'll know.
@@tonyhorn2954 my PC is even older than yours (12 years old, i7-3700K and GTX670) and I'm also trying to figure out whether to buy new components now or wait until next year when the Nvidia 5xxx series come out.
lol, I just googled it. Thanks for that. Hopefully people aren’t calling their ISP to get the latest MEGABYTES package because some guy on youtube said so 😂
I suspect it will do well, but of course a newer Intel would outperform it. Also the latest AMD is outperforming Intels latest chip in gaming so keep an eye out on that. But what else is key is the right GPU. I think that would likely give a bigger performance gain.
I can't wait to try it out on a RTX A5000 and 5900X with 32GB @4000MHz. But my target is 4K, so i will consider another dedicatd rig for games around mid 2025.
I know I'm likely asking for trouble, but here goes... Anyone want to advise me on this? - i7 10700 - 32GB RAM - GTX 3060ti w/12GB VRAM - about 250-shGbps Wi-Fi Settings in FS2020 are ultra or high in VR config for the settings which matter 75-80FPS any area on flat screen 35-50 FPS VR for most aircraft using Q3 @ 72Hz and 90% scaling through Q3 settings. Most times when my FPS are throttled, my XR toolbox says my CPU is the bottleneck for which I'm hoping multithreading in MS24 should relieve. Understanding that the Alpha version we previewed a couple of weekends ago was quite pared down from what we'll expect in the release, I'm pretty hopeful I'll be ok in VR at least without mods added.
I think you’re on the edge but the key is here how is your experience and are you able to enjoy it with your current hardware? If the answer is yes then great! There will always be a new headset to get, new Intel CPU, new GPU or new tech. I think it’s important to understand that is not always about chasing the latest hardware or the highest fps. Sounds like you have a good grasp of your hardware and settings and that is 90% of the battle. The last 10% is stop tweaking and go fly and have fun. I think 2024 will be less of a Microsoft settings simulator than 2020 lol. Still some tweaking, but I hope a bit less. If I was to upgrade anything in your case would be the GPU only during Black Friday or after 5000 series drops, but for now keep the blue side up! Thanks for the comment. Cheers
Where did you hear/read that the Crystal will be the official headset? They have said close to nothing about VR, except that it would be a thing, and it is considered as a platform. I am waiting before ordering the Crystal just in case they announce support for foveated rendering. And yes you are right, one should wait to see before upgrading blindly.
Well, if you sell your GPU now, waiting for the 5000-series, you might find yourself being without a gpu for 6 months…. So I really dont think that is a good idea….
True! I didn’t say when they were launching because I couldn’t find any specific dates. Also I hope any one selling it would be wise enough to try and get a pulse of the market before they did that lol.
Just finished my built for flying in VR on FS2024 MOBO B650E gaming wifi Ryzen 7800x3d 4080 super 64gb ddr5 6000mhz 2.5 Gbit internet connection I hope I can run at high details in 4k resolution with my quest 3
So 4k 2D and high resolution in VR work different but yes you will be able to run a nice high render resolution and decent graphics for 2024. I’ll have a video guide for Quest 3 and Pimax Crystal Light later.
Been toying with the idea of upgrading my current ballistix 4x8gb ddr4 modules to 2x32gb. But paired with the 14700k on a MSI z690 pro-a I'm getting 4000 c17 on them. None of the sets I've tried can get near the speeds and latency they achieve on Aida64. So I'm going to leave it until it's released next month. I have seen in busy airports some of the ram go to 32gb and it went over when I put 64gb in but I think I'm going to turn down some of the lod settings to allow me to eek out 32gb a bit longer, this is with the quest 3. I've got backups of my c drive and the machine is running sweet. There would be a lot of work required switching everything over to a new mobo and ddr5.
just getting a Tuff 4080 Super for my rig.. because of the 5 ports... 3 for my main monitors and then 2 hdmis for my sim rigs... then im goimg to buy a 5000 next year and build a new pc then.
@@imacmill Better? Well no. If it still works and you can use it enjoy it. The next upgrade would be either a Quest 3 or For a bit more the Pimax Crystal light. The issue with Q3 is that you are limited to being wireless and having batteries. So frustrating. Display port helps solve that and gives better visuals and the PCL has a much better image but doesn’t have hand tracking.
Oh ok so I see that. Great question. I sort of glossed over that and you are correct. I don’t have the correct answer or factual answer but I think as it stands either will be 100% fine. I don’t think an upgrade or downgrade is necessary. I was an early adopter of windows 11, and while I have a few random issues, I’m not sure I had any real gains or losses when it comes to FPS. If you have windows 11, you’re fine. If you have windows 10 you’re fine. If in going out otherwise, I still advise lol
@@theVRpilot It’s odd that they seem to be pushing Windows 10 over Windows 11, almost as if it offers better performance. I’m building a new PC this week with a Z790 motherboard, RTX 4080 Super, and 64GB of RAM, and now I’m uncertain about which Windows version to go with.
Win10 is fine - until it stops getting security updates in a year. Reverb G2 owners like me will lose our headsets as Microsoft deprecates WMR in a future Win11 build, so it benefits us to stay on Win10 until then. Or do what I did and install a debloated Win11 that disables feature updates (but not security updates.)
Unless money is no object & for many it is, you should wait. When 24H2 rolls around for win 11 with direct storage for those with RTX. They recommend an 10700K but I have seen my 10600k keep side by side with the 10700k across a dozen games. I would think about a graphics card with 12gb of vram though. (At least a 4070). I get very good performance with 2020 at High End settings with 3840 x 2160 but my 3070 (only 8gbs vram) is getting long in the tooth. Hopefully,should be better with 2024 but until it rolls out I can't know or speculate.
Don't be an idiot - WAIT TILL THE FINAL GAME IS OUT AND REVIEWED !!! The alpha data that we do have, unfortunately, suggests that the game engine has not been overhauled for multicore use as much as we hoped - the FPS values we've all seen have not been significantly increased. Remember, this is a game that depends just as much on the CPU as the GPU. WAIT till multiple reviews of the finished product have taken place - there's zero point spending a lot of moolah on a new system/components if the difference is minimal.
The 5800X3D struggles with MSFS2020 with a 4090 so I have no issue moving up to the 9800X3D on a MSI PRO X870-P Motherboard with 64GB of 32CL 6400MT/s RAM as it's a simple $1,000 upgrade. VR sucks azz with MSFS2020 so I might get back into VR with MSFS2024. Still debating if I want to switch over to Intel since the simulator kind of favors Intel and Nivida hardware with MSFS2020 as MSFS2024 appears to work with AMD hardware better this go around, but that is still to be determined. I might move up to the 5090, but I think I can survive another couple years on the 4090.
I too have an older i7 9700k OC to 5.0 with 32GB ram and it had a RTX 2080. That is exactly how I started this channel. Then I upgraded to the 3090, which didn't really do what I wanted in MSFS 2020. The 4090 definitely pulled its own weight and was what I expected the 3090 to do, but this is honestly because MSFS 2020 was not supporting Multi Threaded CPU so performance was left on the table. I think you should have a decent experience in MSFS 2024 with 2D, but I do not think VR would be so kind. Excited to hear how your experience is as the biggest take away for me was the quick load times and SMooooooooooth flights.
Quest: I have I7-9700K and RTX4090. Of course the GPU is not an issue on its own, but i7-9700K is the best I can get due to Motherboard. Yes, I could get i9-9900K, but I am told that in this instance is not better than 9700K, only by 1% or something like that. Not noticeable.
2020 I could never run VR in native refresh QPro 72fps, hope I can do it in 2024. I run quad views in DCS and reaching native is a breeze (13700k 4080 64ram)...
Fixed foveated rendering should be native. DFR is expected at a later time. Microsoft has been made aware of the importance of quad views and I am in talks with Pimax to make sure we push them on this issue, but Microsoft is aware. I think we are in a good place and things should start improving soon on this front.
So here’s an option I’ve thought of. Either selling my 12900k or keeping it for another pc so it’s useful or I make money and then upgrading, that’s a decent compromise. Especially if you can find a deal on a 14900k
If this stuff is as good as advertised, at most you should get an rtx card (if you dont have it already) . What you should look for real is consistent internet…
RTX is neat when it works, but luckily we dont need RTX to enjoy most of the upgrades so AMD GPU are also good. I agree that INTERNET is going to play a big role here.
Hmm, I guess my intel i5 (9th gen) is no longer going to be sufficient. To be honest, I was pleased 3 years ago when I managed to run FS2020 in VR with it and only upgrade I made to my gaming PC in last few years was to the GPU (currently on 4060 now) Flight sim pretty smooth in VR these days with DLSS. Happy to change my PC if I have to as current one now 4 years old and I can still see me playing FS2024 a lot
I have my older build which is an i7 9700k OC to 5.0 and I plan to put a 3080 on there and see how it performs, or maybe a 4060. My goal is to build a budget build PC and see how it fares with VR. A PC is a great investment if this is a main hobby for you. I often get asked what I would recommended I am a big fan of DIY builds, but I am no teacher in showing off how, and while prebuilt are often good, no one company is clean and I found complaints from many and praises for many but they are often overpriced, but also ship ready to go! Would you build or buy prebuilt?
@@theVRpilot I would probably buy pre-built. I accept it is more costly to do it this way but I don't upgrade very often (one GPU in last 5 years) so would be happy to pay extra so only thing I'd have to do is install FS2024. My biggest issue is going to be my internet connection. Current download speed averages 37Mbps which is the fastest I can get in my area just now (I live in rural UK) so almost inclined to hold of on doing anything just yet i.e. happy to play FS2020 for another few months
Hey Phil! This is a personal choice and I think if you are happy where you are at don't upgrade. I was a super early adopter of windows 11 and ran windows 10 on a separate PC and didn't see much difference to improve or make performance worst. With that being said there might be some videos online that better explain if you should upgrade to Windows 11 better than I could lol. I am on 11, and while I had a few weird bugs early on, It is fine and I have no major issues. - Cheers, Jose
Thanks 4 the mention :-) Yes, It's official or will be after the 1st review of the AMD Ryzen 7 9800 X3D will crush any other CPU on the planet. So if peeps have 10th gen Intel or ZEN3 and want to upgrade, AM5 X870E & that top crown gaming / simming CPU 9800 X3D is the best choice. My Ryzen 9 5900X on AM4 X570E came trully alive for the first time with MSFS2024 Alpha and all 12 real cores without any lazy ones like intel has boy the sim went much faster on my current setup so if your MSFS2020 runs ok or great then it will only run better in MSFS2024. I have 32GB RAM so I'll test and see before going to 64GB... I have Fiber speed internet so 1Gbit download and 40Mbit upload and yes saw peaks of +38GB total download in the Alpa that I did not notice because of my super speed internet but if peeps are slow I think they will have to get a faster connection if possible. Jorg did mention MSFS2020 will stay around for peeps with terrible internet for that reason...
@@theVRpilot I'm not anti Intel or Nvidia, Intel was always bad design and AMD has the performnce crown without pushing insane amounts of power trough it that is now shown Intel blowing up 13 & 14th gen and why the radical change in Arrow lake... Nvidia is top but have weaker stable drivers than AMD and AMD GPU's are also too expensive but prices are still touching earth what you can never say about Nvidia's. They are even out of space in a other time zone. I deal in facts & science; Not in hypes or rich men / women's deep wallets harware.
Im probably going to stick with my 4090 due 50 series is apparently even more expensive around the 3k mark. Witch personally i can not justify that, especially 4090 is still a incredibly capable card.
@@theVRpilot the big issue is there is little competition for Navidia so there just constantly pushing the market u. I get creating a top end gpu isn’t cheap but there definitely pushing the limits. My limit is around 1k to 2k max. Problem is there creeping into what a decent gaming rig should cost, and for a single complaint that cost before as much as a second hand car.
Agreed, but while it is obvious for some, I get this question often as we get a lot of people joining our flight sim community that do not know. My point is to help share this knowledge.
You think? Lol. Idk man 32GB ram and 20k cuda cores. I think there’s a few task that will benefit from that and flight sim VR is one of them! All other VR don’t need it lol
@Eskoxo nice! Yeah so I think VR wise the 4090 did what I expected the 3090 to do. right or wrong the did not feel like a crazy jump in VR from a 2080. It was good, but I was like dang. lol
I'm going to get me a 9800x3d , my motherboard broke this summer and the in january/february I will uppgrade my 3090 to a 5090. I feel sorry if people have 10mb/s for hone internet in 2024. That is like adsl speeds back in 2005.
Woah! Beast rig! I’m excited for you! Yeah, DSL does not sound fun with this new sim and how it loads data. But I’m curious what that would look like and how to mitigate it settings wise.
Remember if the longshoremen go on strike in January or China invades Taiwan tech hardware will be scarce. I just got a VR headset so upgraded from 32gb to 64gb ddr5. I’m good,on all else.
Sad thing is that I've got all the recommended specs but, the only thing holding me back is the mandatory requirement of needing the latest build of Windows 10/11. I'll pass, and they can keep their A.I. spyware.
@@theVRpilot YT doesn't allow links to be posted but, it's right there on the MSFS 2024 site for the system reqs - First thing listed. If you can get confirmation that it doesn't, please let me know! I'd love to have this sim.
I'll be the devil's advocate. The response from Microsoft/Asobo to all the people with performance issues. "It's your low internet bandwidth causing the problems". A convenient scapegoat. It's perfect. Pay your ISP another 150 bucks A MONTH to fix it.
Yeah right? Well I think we will start seeing more "cloud gaming" as the years progress completely removing PC requirements from being an issue. Asobo did state you don't need the fastest internet and again, this is a slower type chill game, loading a lot of data. if you are doing MACH 10 at 5000FT that is a lot of data to load though! lol
@@theVRpilot Just thought I'd bring it up. But there will be some people out there that have an ISP that don't have the capacity to support the bandwidth needed. Yeah Mach 10 is pushing it, lol.
Yeah, well, I'm stuck at 15mbps, unless I move, lol, which would mean higher rent, and much longer commute to work. I guess I'll be skipping this for the time being.
Yea personally I think requiring such high internet speeds is the wrong move if all they are doing is trying to reduce the local storage and initial load times. Local storage is cheap compared to a fast internet connection and waiting a minute or two for things to load up isn't a big deal especially when you, again, see the cost of the internet connection required.
This is garbage regarding the internet speed requirements. Over London in 2d, with everything ultra, ive done hours of observations on task manger, and have seen a max draw of 375Meg. So ideal would be around 375-400meg. 100 as ideal is horse shit, and keeps the doors open for people with relatively slow speeds. Dont kid yourself, you need 400meg for the Ultimate experience. FACT.
I spoke to Seb and he said that it will not be a REQUIREMENT but faster internet will improve your experience. So sure, I agree with you faster internet is better. They are well aware that not EVERYONE has super fast internet and Seb told me in person that he has more normal computers, in fact he had multiple and they ran on 50 MBPS. This isnt COD, or Battlefield, most flights are are chill, slow sight seeing. 50 MBPS should be enough, but I look forward to seeing what the real numbers are.
@@theVRpilot It doesnt have to be COD. In VR especially, slow bandwidth creates pop in, and slow photogrammetry. Reading between the lines, its obvious Seb and team will downplay the bandwidth requirements. Think about it, if they stated 500meg as ideal, how many sales would they lose? = Lots. Lots and lots of dollars. You have to use your critical faculties, logic and question (for yourself) these large companies. They are not honest brokers, not because they are bad people, no, its purely about sales. That's all im saying. If London in 2d draws up to 375meg, it stands without reason, anything less is NOT ideal. Hence "ideal" specs are not what they seem.. Dont fall into the trap, of "pandering" to these companies. I know it can be mutually beneficial as a growing youtuber, but truth will always outpace that sort of thing. Your audience these days are increasingly savvy, and will catch that sort of thing very quickly.. Not meaning to target you in that statement, but it does happen, so take that for what its worth. Cheers.
Lol, thanks Greg. When I get busy at work, I slow down my speech rate as pilots tend to respond and try to match my tempo and many are student pilots with thick foreign accents. I do talk fast and hate to ramble on even longer talking like a sloth on here lol. Thanks for the feedback. Also. Radar services terminated.
yo! Sooo, I have a large community here and on Facebook and discord, I often reply to topics that come up often from the community. Not everyone is tech savvy, there’s a lot of older guys and middle age getting into the hobby who are new. Some topics are no brainers but others require depth. My goal is to bring value to stuff I think that is important and share my opinion while hopefully being helpful and not completely wasting your time. In short, yes, upgrading is a great idea, but since you didn’t watch the video you obviously already know the 3 tips I was going to suggest! 😂🤣😂
It really is quite simple... if your experience in MSFS 2024 sucks then you need to upgrade. I don't need you to tell me that. Until then everyone should wait to see what their experience will be like and not take any notice of such videos from people such as yourself who don't know what anyone else's experience will be like.
It is a simple reply to a simple legitimate question for people who might be considered simpletons (new to MSFS) with a simple need to know. Do you know the difference between simple and idiotic?
No fluff, no adds, nothing crazy just answering a simple question here I run this community with 10k members, my discord, and a Facebook group with 11k members. I chose to answer a question that is coming up spot from folks that may not be as wise as you, so while you don’t need this video, it has helped many, and I’ve seen many ask the same question. I’m just here sharing some (hopefully) gods and helpful information. And I really don’t know if you watched the whole video because you and I both agree on what to do…, I said what you said, which again isn’t common knowledge to all the new simmers joining this great hobby. But seriously, did you even watch the video? Lol
@@theVRpilot No, I didn't watch the video, as I already said I don't need anyone to tell me whether I should upgrade or not, I'll find that out on November 19th. And it doesn't need wisdom to work that out.
Hi. Have a question if I may? Im now on a xbox x and want to change to a pc. Since I don't have a clue what kind of a pc I should buy for the new sim I asked in a computer store and he came with this. Is this enough or do you think I can go better? Thank you. ASUS ROG STRIX B650E-F GAMING WIFI - ATX - Socket AM5 - AMD B650 × 1 € 264,95 (incl. btw) AMD Ryzen 9 7900X3D / 4.4 GHz processor - 12-core × 1 € 562,50 (incl. btw) ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 280 processor liquid cooling system × 1 € 79,50 (incl. btw) Corsair VENGEANCE - 64 GB : 2 x 32 GB - CL40 - DDR5 - 6000 MHz × 1 € 229,50 (incl. btw) Samsung 990 PRO MZ-V9P2T0BW - 2 TB - PCle 4.0 NVMe M.2 SSD × 1 € 179,00 (incl. btw) Sapphire PULSE AMD Radeon RX 7900 XT - Radeon RX 7900 XT - 20 GB GDDR6 × 1 € 749,99 (incl. btw) Corsair RMx SHIFT Series RM850x - 850 Watt 80 PLUS Gold Fully Modular Low-Noise ATX PSU - ATX 3.0 and PCIe 5.0 × 1 € 155,00 (incl. btw) Corsair 5000D CORE AIRFLOW Mid-Tower ATX PC Case - Black × 1 € 149,00 (incl. btw) Microsoft Windows 11 Pro - OEM - 64-bit - Nederlands × 1 € 169,00 (incl. btw) Assemblagekosten - PC uit losse onderdelen × 1 € 65,00 (incl. btw)
Welcome my friend! Ok, so I can’t verify prices for you but I will answer your question. Is this GOOD? Oh yes! It’s very good! Can you go better? Yes, a bit. Is it necessary? Well, not really but what I can say is this. The main improvement you could do would be upgrade the GPU to a 4090. That will likely double the cost of the entire build. There are diminishing returns as you go higher because it will not double your FPS but for many hardcore VR simmers we want the best and the most of our VR experience so we splurge on that. Alternatively a 4080 super would be great as that is what Microsoft used at the world preview event I attended in Arizona. Again, 4090 is close to $2k and what you have there is great. Also consider if you plan to enter VR you need to buy that too! I consider the Quest 3, Pimax Crystal Light, Big Screen Beyond, and Somnium VR1 some of the best headsets on the market and that covers all budgets. Each has pros and cons. I do not have a video comparing them but if you check VR Flight Sim Guy on youtube, my buddy Steve absolutely does! Keep me posted on what you decide! I’m excited for you and plan to make a video welcoming Xbox users. Let me know what challenges you face aside from picking a Pc so I can address them!
@@theVRpilot Thank you so much for taking the time to answer me! Really appreciate that. The reason I asked is that when I started with the first version of the flights I also needed a pc (im on a Mac) I asked advice then too and that shop build a pc for me with should be perfect. But all I got then was stuttering pictures when I put everything on 85%. Then it was too late to upgrade and I don't wanne make the same mistake. I will use this pc only for the flights, nothing else. But I do want to see all the details and no stuttering anymore :-) The option for using vr is not for me, not at this time anyway. Again thank you for the help, I think will order this one and be happy with it :-)
Hello. A real person with real PC specs here. I was lucky to get access to MSFS 2024 during the alpha weekend. I am "rocking" i7 8700, 32GB and RTX 3070. Non VR performance was good, no issues. Loading times excellent (on my 1Gb internet connection). I am using Quest 2 for my MSFS 2020 VR . There is a lot of room for improvement there but there are some good days depending on Windows 11 and NVIDIA driver updates . If non-VR MSFS 2024 is any indication I should be safe for next 2 years. I will definitely upgrade my PC during 2026/27 season.
Forgot to mention, I preordered 2024. :-)
@@kovo313 that’s great to hear! I’ve got a very similar rig so was wondering how MS2024 would work. I get 60 odd fps currently on MS2020, so anything above 35fps on the new sim I’d be happy !
lol weak pc
@@SIMRIG412 lol.....weak comment.
Prick.
@@SIMRIG412 Idiot !!!
@SIMRIG412 Doesn't matter. MSFS 2024 is all about internet speed.
I reckon it's pretty much streamed like Geforce Now.
I'm building an AMD gaming/productivity PC with Ryzen 9700X, 32GB RAM, RX 7800XT on a 3440 x 1440p ultrawide. I can't wait to start my career in MSFS 2024!
Why are you choking yourself with 32GB of RAM with those specs when 64GB of RAM will favor you better?
True, 64GB of ram will help him but only because @bryanpascual3543 is building a gaming / productivity PC otherwise 32GB will suffice for most users.
I do agree, we are in a time that 64gb Is so cost effecting it should be a great upgrade for most, as we typically run MSFS and a few extra pieces of software.
lol
Just finished building a fresh rig with a 4080 Super. No regrets. This thing f*cks.
@@useridunavailable Yessir! You are set!
So happy that as a 1440p single screen player who does not stream my game I am good for now with my 3080/5800X3D/32gb ram. Rare for a new bunch of games to appear and still be good with a few yrs old system.
Yup! Great pic build too. Should hold you off for a bit longer.
I am running an i9, 14900K, and a 4090 and cannot wait to see MSFS 2024 in my Rift S. Seems like it’s time to upgrade the Rift S to go along with the PC upgrade.
Epic PC! What headset are you considering?
If 2020 worked fine for you, 2024 will perform just as well if not better with MT. You don't need to upgrade.
The multithreading helps with CPU, not GPU.
World and object LOD was already a great way of alleviating any CPU issues.
I'm more curious how/if/whether the Foveated rendering or any other changes will help with hitting a consistent 72fps without DLSS or adding more instrument blur.
Also, true!
@@pondracekreal talk on instrument blur🤦🏼♂️
Probably the clearest explaination out there! Subbed, looking forward to cruising through your back catalog.
Thank you! Excited to bring more!
Just subscribed mate, how have the UA-cam God not served me up any of your content yet, so glad to be here now :) This video is timely, as the newFS2024 might finally change the landscape for needing such powerful hardware, although the VR side of things is always a wild card. Great video mate.
I noticed on my 3090 that at least now my usage went from 40-60% in fs20 to 100% in fs24, runs much nicer now. Still had numerous crashes and stutters but was tech alpha so not including that for now
@@brandonchappell1535 Agreed, I had many, way too many CTDs in tech alpha but it was smooth when it ran.
We are only weeks away!
Time Stamps!
RADAR CONTACT 00:20
EXPECT SOFTWARE IMPROVEMENTS 00:38
QUICK ANSWER 1:13
VR HARDWARE REQUIREMENTS 1:45
DO YOU NEED 64GB RAM 2:33
INTERNET SPEED 3:13
MULTITHREADED SUPPORT 3:53
3 TOP TIPS - 1 WAIT AND SEE 5:03
2 - WAITCH BLACK FRIDAY SALES 5:42
3 - GPU ADVICE BUY/SELL 6:00
SVEN SAYS GO AMD 7:18
JUST WAIT AND JUDGE FOR YOURSELF 7:50
MICROSOFT SETTINGS SIMULATOR TESTER 8:19
MY PLAN OF ATTACK 8:38
PCL - MSFS OFFICIAL HEADSET8:57
HOW TO SEE YOUR HARDWARE IN VR 9:13
Excellent advice. I’ll be holding on upgrades until later in Q1’25
Awesome Sergio! Will you upgrade your current built or buy a newer prebuilt pc?
@@theVRpilot It's time for a new rig and I'll wait for the upcoming 5000 series (currently on a 3090). I'll be watching reviews and benchmarks closely!!
Let's hope as a minum in this new sim you can achieve a stable 90 fps with no reprojection or dlss. Il take that over better lighting any day. All we really need is stability and clarity. Other visual glamour is irrelevant to us atm until we can run it cleanly at 90 fps
I'm with you Gizmo, stable FPS makes for a much better experience.
I have a high tolerance for low FPS but that shouldn't make it ok. I LOVE it when the performance is high and FPS is high. It makes it for a real treat of an experience.
Hopefully my 3080 RTX 10GB will be able to handle MSFS 2024!
@@pm110978 2D of course, and a fellow simmer commented below he has a 3080 and rocks VR with slightly lower settings.
Just depends what you’re willing to adjust! I’m thinking of grabbing a 3080 to test mid tier performance myself on an older rig.
Very sound advice. We are in the worst period possible to buy. But the next few weeks will be all the more interesting!
@@Hrshgn Yup! That was the main point, with a bit of extra info and thoughts.
I'm really hoping the multi threading and ram management, plus VR being built into 2024 native will help. Fast internet to get the best out of it as with 2020.
Me too Julian! I am really excited and... I feel sick already on the 19th....lmao
No VR improvements over MSFS 2020 are expected in MSFS 2024. 2-3 years ago Adobo disbanded the dedicated VR team, now VR is "a platform" = all sim features should work, no special focus on VR feature or performance improvements.
In 2024, we only need 16 or 32GB of RAM for gaming. In 2030, that's when we'll actually need 64GB of RAM for gaming. I know a few other games that require more RAM than the ideal spec of this flight simulator game.
Yes, but for content creators and if you plan to have other stuff running the extra ram helps.
Excellent advice!!
@@suncoastdronepix444 thank you!
I upgraded my 5800X3D to a 7950X3D. With Process Lasso properly configured it's a fantastic gaming CPU. I'm going to hold on to my 3090 Ti 24GB GPU for a while.
I too have used process lasso, and its pretty straight forward.
My biggest thing is that simplicity is key for being able to jump in and have continous races or flights. The more headache we have to go through before hand the less likely folks are to jump in.
Process Lasso should be built native into windows lol
Hell it'd be nice to find a 5800x3d not over priced lol 5800x will have to hold on a bit longer
That was interesting I was waiting for the spec needed for VR
Is this testing with the sliders at max,.
Great question. I don't know the answer to that but likely NOT.
The visual different with sliders at MAX and High and Medium is not quite what one might think.
I suggest start with lower visuals, change a few, go for a pattern flight and see how it is.
I'm still going to need to upgrade, my 4080 only gets used about 20% while main thread is maxxed out. I hope the multithread will improve my 2024 performance but I still need to upgrade my CPU from this 7th gen Intel to the 9950x3d (it's coming out next month)
Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for upgrading the CPU, but the GPU upgrade won’t translate in double fps performance.
It’s kind of weird.
Simplest way I can put it is the extra overhead or cuda cores, does help. 4090 performance is better, but not always worth the price and won’t be double.
If you are aware and ok with that then no sweat.
I just want folks to have realistic expectations.
MSFS VR is the “will it run crysis” of our current times followed by DCS VR.
It’s demanding especially when trying to push high pixel headsets, but still totally worth it for the full immersive experience.
Thanks Jose, great videos, I have subscribed,I'm new to flight Sims, I just find Aerofly fs4 easy to use in vr, but I will purchase msfs 24,best regards
Upgrade, of course specially for VR
Im building a new pc for 2024 vr, with AMD 7800x3d (or 9800x3d-will see), 64gb ddr5, and keep my 4090 of course. Currently I have a 9700k and HP Reverb, later I want to replace it with a Pimax Cristal Light. As I see from your video the graphics + cpu usage is improved & optimized so I hope this pc will handle MSFS well.
9800x3d sounds like a beast! Either will do great I’m sure.
I got a video on the Pimax Crystal Light dropping this Thursday!
A cautionary tale for current and prospective Meta Quest VR headset owners (for sim'ing or gaming):
I'm on day 21 of Meta holding my Quest headsets hostage. I've been using Oculus/Quest devices from the day they started making them (10 years ago?), and I have not been required to give my date of birth to Meta in all this time. But they recently demanded my DOB under threat of disabling my Quests, and they made good on that threat 21 days ago. Meta can metaphorically brick your headsets, any time they want, and for any reason they want, and you will have no defense against it.
Conclusion: Think carefully before you BUY anything from Meta; The thing you BUY will not be yours.
Sound advice buddy 👌
@@VRFlightSimGuy Much love Steve.
Thank You! Brazil - São Paulo
@@alesouza26 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷
Upgraded my ancient pc to a 7800X3D and 4080 Super. The difference is crazy 😮
Great COMBO! That is going to be epic for 2024. Have you selected your VR headset yet?
@@theVRpilot Still have my old Quest 2. I'm happy with it for now. VR still looks great.
As a full cockpit owner (3 - 85” 4K Sony displays) I am hoping we will have better control over screen positioning. Otherwise my 5800x3D, 32GB Ram and Suprim Liquid RTX4090
Wow, I’d love to see that! That almost might be better than VR! Lol
I've had MSFS2024 installed for a couple of weeks now and finally got my HoneyComb Alpha/Bravo configured for the 4-5 basic configurations, and then saved the setup. However, the next day the configurations were not to be found!! Grrrrr. I've decided to reload 2020 for now until more of the bugs get worked out by Microsoft. Pretty rocky start!
Yeah! It’s been rough. Now, if you decide to venture back into 2024 for the fps improvement, your presets have been saved but they aren’t set to default.
So it’s still annoying but when I load a plane, I enter the control menu and simply hit the arrow once or twice until I select the profile I made. I’ve also updated them and the updates sim to stick, but they don’t seem to stay as default.
Even though you can click on them and set to apply to all and set as default.
Pretty buggy! But the performance gains have been great, so I’m working through it.
I was able to pick up a 9800x3d. With all the shortages, I set an alert on Newegg, and happened to actually be able to check out. I am still not sure what I’m doing with it. I have a 10900k with a 3090. I guess I’ll see how it runs there. But I would like to do vr in 2024. So I have the cpu secured in case I want to build a new machine (the gpu decision is harder-get something now or wait until next year)
Wow! Great find! So one potential move is this.
If I was in your shoes I would consider this.
If you only need one PC, I would pick up a 4080 super IF you find a deal coming up in the next two weeks, and sell the 3090 and recover some cash.
Now, if you wait, for the 5000 series to drop, which I like that idea too, the challenge there is stock for 5000 series GPU, and then the 3090 will be difficult to sell as people will want a higher tier gpu for the same value.
i think a 4080 super for $1000ish give or take, lower is better of course, would be a decent move. The 5090 is speculated to be north of $2k and buying a 4090 doesnt double the 4080 super performance for double the cost.
So recap, 4080 super if you find a good deal, and sell the 3090 now, unless you want to keep it for some 2nd pc or something else. Most folks dont need that.
Good luck! Excited for you!
@ thanks. Yeah 4080super or open box deals on 4090 from micro center are on my radar. Maybe even upgrade to 5000 series later. Will see. My 3090 founders edition has served me well.
@@theVRpilot So, I'm getting 30fps on Ultra settings in 3440x1440, and 50fps on High. 3090 is fully used. CPU is barely at 30% usage. Wondering if upgrading to 9800x3d will even be worth it at this point. Guess I can save it for other titles and wait for the 5090.
@ I am buying everything now using Black Friday sales, except the gpu, going to wait until 5090 is out. And PSU-I was about to buy a bequiet 1200w unit, but now there is some confusion about how much power the 5090 will use and the possibility of it using TWO 16 pin connectors. I don’t know if the right psu for the 5090 is even on the market yet, so holding off there too. (Although this makes it a bit hard to test the rest of the system!)
This is WEEKS away, and still people ask on reddit without pause, if they should buy MSFS2020 or buy expensive planes for 2020. MAN....
Hey Casey, not sure I understand what you are saying, what are people asking over and over?
Looking to upgrade my quest 2 to 3 as you say in the black friday sales. I'm sure some of the big box stores here in the UK will have a deal. Still rocking 5800x3d, 64gb ram and a 3080. But That should be OK for now. maybe knock some settings down.
Yup, also you will find lower settings in MSFS 20 and 24 dont always translate to terrible visuals.
It has a lot to do with personal preference and tolerance for lower FPS as you bump graphics up, so start low and work your way up!
My machine is approaching 10 years old. I7 3.6GHz 4790 CPU. 32G DDR3 RAM. RTX 3050 running on PCIE one level below what it should be on. 2TB SSD primary drive. This was upgraded about 18 month or so ago and is about as far as it can go given the motherboard. Runs MSFS 2020 on ultra settings pretty well. I am somewhat concerned what I will get out of MSFS 2024 but only time will tell. Given my age being north of 60, my next PC will be my last. A full serious gaming machine will set me back 4,000 so that is serious coin. Getting the approval from the manager of household finances is the big impediment. Thing is, with the average lifespan of a motherboard is around 10 years it's due. But in 5 days 12 hours 38 minutes I'll know.
@@tonyhorn2954 Good call Tony! Excited for you. A new rig will be a treat and sore for VR if you go that route!
@@tonyhorn2954 my PC is even older than yours (12 years old, i7-3700K and GTX670) and I'm also trying to figure out whether to buy new components now or wait until next year when the Nvidia 5xxx series come out.
Brother, these internet speeds are in Mega bits (Mb) per second not Mega Bytes (MB).
lol, I just googled it. Thanks for that. Hopefully people aren’t calling their ISP to get the latest MEGABYTES package because some guy on youtube said so 😂
I have a 9900k that worked ok in MSFS 2020 in VR... I wonder how well it will do before I get a I9 15900k?
I suspect it will do well, but of course a newer Intel would outperform it.
Also the latest AMD is outperforming Intels latest chip in gaming so keep an eye out on that.
But what else is key is the right GPU. I think that would likely give a bigger performance gain.
I can't wait to try it out on a RTX A5000 and 5900X with 32GB @4000MHz. But my target is 4K, so i will consider another dedicatd rig for games around mid 2025.
Good call on waiting.
Thanks for sharing your insight brother! Can't wait to try out FS2024 and push our rigs to the limit!
Thanks man! Cant wait!
I know I'm likely asking for trouble, but here goes... Anyone want to advise me on this?
- i7 10700
- 32GB RAM
- GTX 3060ti w/12GB VRAM
- about 250-shGbps Wi-Fi
Settings in FS2020 are ultra or high in VR config for the settings which matter
75-80FPS any area on flat screen
35-50 FPS VR for most aircraft using Q3 @ 72Hz and 90% scaling through Q3 settings.
Most times when my FPS are throttled, my XR toolbox says my CPU is the bottleneck for which I'm hoping multithreading in MS24 should relieve.
Understanding that the Alpha version we previewed a couple of weekends ago was quite pared down from what we'll expect in the release, I'm pretty hopeful I'll be ok in VR at least without mods added.
I think you’re on the edge but the key is here how is your experience and are you able to enjoy it with your current hardware?
If the answer is yes then great! There will always be a new headset to get, new Intel CPU, new GPU or new tech.
I think it’s important to understand that is not always about chasing the latest hardware or the highest fps.
Sounds like you have a good grasp of your hardware and settings and that is 90% of the battle. The last 10% is stop tweaking and go fly and have fun.
I think 2024 will be less of a Microsoft settings simulator than 2020 lol. Still some tweaking, but I hope a bit less.
If I was to upgrade anything in your case would be the GPU only during Black Friday or after 5000 series drops, but for now keep the blue side up!
Thanks for the comment. Cheers
Those are good specs for general monitor use, but how in the hell can you stand using VR? That has got to be choppy?
@@jamesm568 With GA or steam gauges, not so bad, but tubeliners or a/c with more than three screens can get a bit jarring in busy cities/airports.
Where did you hear/read that the Crystal will be the official headset? They have said close to nothing about VR, except that it would be a thing, and it is considered as a platform. I am waiting before ordering the Crystal just in case they announce support for foveated rendering. And yes you are right, one should wait to see before upgrading blindly.
@@ThorNjord I’ll have a video on the Thursday Oct 31st!!
@@theVRpilot I'll keep an eye out for it! Thanks.
Well, if you sell your GPU now, waiting for the 5000-series, you might find yourself being without a gpu for 6 months…. So I really dont think that is a good idea….
True! I didn’t say when they were launching because I couldn’t find any specific dates.
Also I hope any one selling it would be wise enough to try and get a pulse of the market before they did that lol.
Just finished my built for flying in VR on FS2024
MOBO B650E gaming wifi
Ryzen 7800x3d
4080 super
64gb ddr5 6000mhz
2.5 Gbit internet connection
I hope I can run at high details in 4k resolution with my quest 3
So 4k 2D and high resolution in VR work different but yes you will be able to run a nice high render resolution and decent graphics for 2024. I’ll have a video guide for Quest 3 and Pimax Crystal Light later.
@@theVRpilot I would also be happy at 72hz
Love your content man
Yo bro! Much love man. Thanks for the support and feedback!
fingers crossed for StarLink 😬
Keep me posted!
Been toying with the idea of upgrading my current ballistix 4x8gb ddr4 modules to 2x32gb.
But paired with the 14700k on a MSI z690 pro-a I'm getting 4000 c17 on them. None of the sets I've tried can get near the speeds and latency they achieve on Aida64. So I'm going to leave it until it's released next month.
I have seen in busy airports some of the ram go to 32gb and it went over when I put 64gb in but I think I'm going to turn down some of the lod settings to allow me to eek out 32gb a bit longer, this is with the quest 3.
I've got backups of my c drive and the machine is running sweet. There would be a lot of work required switching everything over to a new mobo and ddr5.
I’m with you. 64gb is my next move.
Why are you running ddr4 when you can run ddr5
Good point. I didn’t catch that.
just getting a Tuff 4080 Super for my rig.. because of the 5 ports... 3 for my main monitors and then 2 hdmis for my sim rigs... then im goimg to buy a 5000 next year and build a new pc then.
I like that idea man! I am keen on upgrading to 5000 next year as well!
Do you consider the Reverb G2 better than a Quest 3 for MSFS?
@@imacmill Better? Well no.
If it still works and you can use it enjoy it.
The next upgrade would be either a Quest 3 or For a bit more the Pimax Crystal light.
The issue with Q3 is that you are limited to being wireless and having batteries. So frustrating.
Display port helps solve that and gives better visuals and the PCL has a much better image but doesn’t have hand tracking.
I don't get it. So the ideal config is Windows 10 and not 11?! Can you explain this missing part from the video?
Sorry so I can respond correctly what do you mean?
Oh ok so I see that. Great question. I sort of glossed over that and you are correct.
I don’t have the correct answer or factual answer but I think as it stands either will be 100% fine. I don’t think an upgrade or downgrade is necessary.
I was an early adopter of windows 11, and while I have a few random issues, I’m not sure I had any real gains or losses when it comes to FPS.
If you have windows 11, you’re fine. If you have windows 10 you’re fine. If in going out otherwise, I still advise lol
@@theVRpilot It’s odd that they seem to be pushing Windows 10 over Windows 11, almost as if it offers better performance. I’m building a new PC this week with a Z790 motherboard, RTX 4080 Super, and 64GB of RAM, and now I’m uncertain about which Windows version to go with.
*With Intel i9 14900k
Win10 is fine - until it stops getting security updates in a year. Reverb G2 owners like me will lose our headsets as Microsoft deprecates WMR in a future Win11 build, so it benefits us to stay on Win10 until then. Or do what I did and install a debloated Win11 that disables feature updates (but not security updates.)
Hmmm. Bandwidth coul be a problem for many people, especially if using Wi-Fi and if your provider throttles your usage.
@@HA-hp6ui yes, we will wait and see how this turns out.
Unless money is no object & for many it is, you should wait. When 24H2 rolls around for win 11 with direct storage for those with RTX. They recommend an 10700K but I have seen my 10600k keep side by side with the 10700k across a dozen games. I would think about a graphics card with 12gb of vram though. (At least a 4070). I get very good performance with 2020 at High End settings with 3840 x 2160 but my 3070 (only 8gbs vram) is getting long in the tooth. Hopefully,should be better with 2024 but until it rolls out I can't know or speculate.
True! VR of course would be more demanding but I think everyone should wait and see.
Don't be an idiot - WAIT TILL THE FINAL GAME IS OUT AND REVIEWED !!!
The alpha data that we do have, unfortunately, suggests that the game engine has not been overhauled for multicore use as much as we hoped - the FPS values we've all seen have not been significantly increased. Remember, this is a game that depends just as much on the CPU as the GPU.
WAIT till multiple reviews of the finished product have taken place - there's zero point spending a lot of moolah on a new system/components if the difference is minimal.
Solid advice Chris.
The 5800X3D struggles with MSFS2020 with a 4090 so I have no issue moving up to the 9800X3D on a MSI PRO X870-P Motherboard with 64GB of 32CL 6400MT/s RAM as it's a simple $1,000 upgrade. VR sucks azz with MSFS2020 so I might get back into VR with MSFS2024. Still debating if I want to switch over to Intel since the simulator kind of favors Intel and Nivida hardware with MSFS2020 as MSFS2024 appears to work with AMD hardware better this go around, but that is still to be determined. I might move up to the 5090, but I think I can survive another couple years on the 4090.
I7 9700, 2060super, 32Gb, I don't intend on upgrading: my Msfs2020 is maxed and fpses are in the 60s!
I too have an older i7 9700k OC to 5.0 with 32GB ram and it had a RTX 2080. That is exactly how I started this channel.
Then I upgraded to the 3090, which didn't really do what I wanted in MSFS 2020. The 4090 definitely pulled its own weight and was what I expected the 3090 to do, but this is honestly because MSFS 2020 was not supporting Multi Threaded CPU so performance was left on the table.
I think you should have a decent experience in MSFS 2024 with 2D, but I do not think VR would be so kind.
Excited to hear how your experience is as the biggest take away for me was the quick load times and SMooooooooooth flights.
Quest: I have I7-9700K and RTX4090. Of course the GPU is not an issue on its own, but i7-9700K is the best I can get due to Motherboard. Yes, I could get i9-9900K, but I am told that in this instance is not better than 9700K, only by 1% or something like that. Not noticeable.
I agree! Are you watercooling and overclocking the 9790k? It’s a very capable CPU! That’s on my older PC and it’s running at 5.0 steady!
@@theVRpilot - A sizeable high quality air cooler from Noctua on the 9700K, so no dollars spared there.
My hp reverb still running all updates on win 11
@@tavraney3289 Pic or it didn’t happen! Lol.
So your windows version is on 24H2? Can you confirm that?
@@theVRpilot no im on ver .23h2 win 11 pro . but still says im up to date
2020 I could never run VR in native refresh QPro 72fps, hope I can do it in 2024. I run quad views in DCS and reaching native is a breeze (13700k 4080 64ram)...
We need that native Quad View Support! - I am in communications with Pimax and hopefully my message can get through to Microsoft!
I replaced my 5800x3d with a 5950x 16core CPU and will test both on 2024. 7900XT and 64Gb DDR4 4000Mhz.
You are ready my friend! Awesome!
Think I will wait for the game to come out and get reports on what really works or not instead of all this speculation.
lol, that’s what I said! Did you watch it?
@@theVRpilot Nope, didn't want to waste my time watching a video that didn't have any actual facts.
I just bought an aorus i9- 14900HX RTX4070 32GB Laptop. Hopefully it will be strong enough maybe for VR? In low settings! But flat 2D must be ok or? 😊
2D yes! VR hmm, maybe Q3 with minimal settings? Not sure? lol
Will it have DFR I have Pimax Crystal
Fixed foveated rendering should be native.
DFR is expected at a later time.
Microsoft has been made aware of the importance of quad views and I am in talks with Pimax to make sure we push them on this issue, but Microsoft is aware.
I think we are in a good place and things should start improving soon on this front.
@@theVRpilot Sounds Promising thank you for your help and the updates on MSFS 2024
12900 + 4090 Quest 3 owner here, wondering what a 14900 would bring to performance and visuals….
I don’t know, but I don’t suspect it to be a big crazy game changer. I think we will find out soon.
@@get_outdoors same here. Not sure whether to look at a 14900kf over Black Friday or wait to see whether 285kf improves.
Same here 4080 with a 12900k. Wondered the same question if a 14900k would be worth the upgrade.
So here’s an option I’ve thought of.
Either selling my 12900k or keeping it for another pc so it’s useful or I make money and then upgrading, that’s a decent compromise. Especially if you can find a deal on a 14900k
If this stuff is as good as advertised, at most you should get an rtx card (if you dont have it already) . What you should look for real is consistent internet…
RTX is neat when it works, but luckily we dont need RTX to enjoy most of the upgrades so AMD GPU are also good.
I agree that INTERNET is going to play a big role here.
Great content - hope I don't hear you talking that fast giving me a clearance! 🙂
lol! Only after 5 shots of Cuban espresso! ☕️
dude could you tell me what your pc specs are? cheers!
@@adilahmed5072 Yeah! So I’m using a 12900k 32Gb corsair DDR5 5200 mhz and a RTX 4090. With Quest 3, G2, and a Pimax Crystal Light for VR.
@@theVRpilot Thanks man. with these specs do you run msfs at high or ultra? and, how much fps do you usually get?
Hmm, I guess my intel i5 (9th gen) is no longer going to be sufficient. To be honest, I was pleased 3 years ago when I managed to run FS2020 in VR with it and only upgrade I made to my gaming PC in last few years was to the GPU (currently on 4060 now) Flight sim pretty smooth in VR these days with DLSS. Happy to change my PC if I have to as current one now 4 years old and I can still see me playing FS2024 a lot
I have my older build which is an i7 9700k OC to 5.0 and I plan to put a 3080 on there and see how it performs, or maybe a 4060.
My goal is to build a budget build PC and see how it fares with VR.
A PC is a great investment if this is a main hobby for you.
I often get asked what I would recommended I am a big fan of DIY builds, but I am no teacher in showing off how, and while prebuilt are often good, no one company is clean and I found complaints from many and praises for many but they are often overpriced, but also ship ready to go!
Would you build or buy prebuilt?
@@theVRpilot I would probably buy pre-built. I accept it is more costly to do it this way but I don't upgrade very often (one GPU in last 5 years) so would be happy to pay extra so only thing I'd have to do is install FS2024. My biggest issue is going to be my internet connection. Current download speed averages 37Mbps which is the fastest I can get in my area just now (I live in rural UK) so almost inclined to hold of on doing anything just yet i.e. happy to play FS2020 for another few months
Seems like internet speed is more important than hardware with MSFS 2024.
@@TrueBlade-1889 lol you aren’t wrong.
bandwidth reffers to Download or Upload too ? Because here in Germany we are capped to 50mbps Upload :(
Download, upload is minimal.
Hello shall I upgrade to windows 11, from 10
Hey Phil! This is a personal choice and I think if you are happy where you are at don't upgrade.
I was a super early adopter of windows 11 and ran windows 10 on a separate PC and didn't see much difference to improve or make performance worst.
With that being said there might be some videos online that better explain if you should upgrade to Windows 11 better than I could lol.
I am on 11, and while I had a few weird bugs early on, It is fine and I have no major issues.
- Cheers, Jose
Thanks 4 the mention :-) Yes, It's official or will be after the 1st review of the AMD Ryzen 7 9800 X3D will crush any other CPU on the planet. So if peeps have 10th gen Intel or ZEN3 and want to upgrade, AM5 X870E & that top crown gaming / simming CPU 9800 X3D is the best choice. My Ryzen 9 5900X on AM4 X570E came trully alive for the first time with MSFS2024 Alpha and all 12 real cores without any lazy ones like intel has boy the sim went much faster on my current setup so if your MSFS2020 runs ok or great then it will only run better in MSFS2024. I have 32GB RAM so I'll test and see before going to 64GB... I have Fiber speed internet so 1Gbit download and 40Mbit upload and yes saw peaks of +38GB total download in the Alpa that I did not notice because of my super speed internet but if peeps are slow I think they will have to get a faster connection if possible. Jorg did mention MSFS2020 will stay around for peeps with terrible internet for that reason...
Zen 5%.
@@lorsch. 5% of what?
@@SparkySven Sven is my resident AMD expert an anti intel/nvidia activist. Thank you!
@@SparkySven of 7000 series. with X3D maybe 8%
@@theVRpilot I'm not anti Intel or Nvidia, Intel was always bad design and AMD has the performnce crown without pushing insane amounts of power trough it that is now shown Intel blowing up 13 & 14th gen and why the radical change in Arrow lake... Nvidia is top but have weaker stable drivers than AMD and AMD GPU's are also too expensive but prices are still touching earth what you can never say about Nvidia's. They are even out of space in a other time zone. I deal in facts & science; Not in hypes or rich men / women's deep wallets harware.
Im probably going to stick with my 4090 due 50 series is apparently even more expensive around the 3k mark. Witch personally i can not justify that, especially 4090 is still a incredibly capable card.
Stevo! Yes! 4090 is going to be great, I have the same GPU. $3k is ridiculous lol.
@@theVRpilot the big issue is there is little competition for Navidia so there just constantly pushing the market u. I get creating a top end gpu isn’t cheap but there definitely pushing the limits. My limit is around 1k to 2k max. Problem is there creeping into what a decent gaming rig should cost, and for a single complaint that cost before as much as a second hand car.
@@stevoone342 It is absolutely wild. They are leading the market in good and bad ways lol.
I agree. I wish it was different.
stuck on xbox unfortunately
Hang tight! Xbox is still a fun platform!
I heard they approved weapons for both 2020 and 2024 on the marketplace, so that’s something I’m looking forward to.
@@EstTide To be clear, the approval is for static models, no combat is to introduce.
Not sure why would anyone upgrade when 50 series + 9800x3d out soon just wait
Agreed, but while it is obvious for some, I get this question often as we get a lot of people joining our flight sim community that do not know.
My point is to help share this knowledge.
Because 50’series isn’t even worth the upgrade if you already run 40 series 😂
You think? Lol. Idk man 32GB ram and 20k cuda cores. I think there’s a few task that will benefit from that and flight sim VR is one of them!
All other VR don’t need it lol
@@SIMRIG412 depends when i went from 3090 to 4090 fps almost doubled.
@Eskoxo nice! Yeah so I think VR wise the 4090 did what I expected the 3090 to do.
right or wrong the did not feel like a crazy jump in VR from a 2080.
It was good, but I was like dang. lol
I would buy as much computer as I could afford.
@@topofthegreen agreed!
I hope my 7800x3d and 4080 super is enough!
Yes, most definitely, great set! There are others enjoying VR with less powerful hardware.
@@theVRpilot Only got it this year, I was previously playing VR on a 7 year old PC
I'm going to get me a 9800x3d , my motherboard broke this summer and the in january/february I will uppgrade my 3090 to a 5090.
I feel sorry if people have 10mb/s for hone internet in 2024. That is like adsl speeds back in 2005.
Woah! Beast rig! I’m excited for you!
Yeah, DSL does not sound fun with this new sim and how it loads data. But I’m curious what that would look like and how to mitigate it settings wise.
What if you're on xbox?
Ah my friend, no Vr on Xbox! :(
@theVRpilot ....... .......interesting. I was.t referring to vR but..... ☺ thnx
First! 😁
@@VRFlightSimGuy 😂
@@sascenturion Hey buddy 👋
@@VRFlightSimGuy👋
haha go Steve. 🤣🤣
LOL Steve!
Remember if the longshoremen go on strike in January or China invades Taiwan tech hardware will be scarce. I just got a VR headset so upgraded from 32gb to 64gb ddr5. I’m good,on all else.
Man those are great points such o have thought of recently but didn’t think of mentioning it here.
Let’s hope cooler heads prevail on both fronts.
Sad thing is that I've got all the recommended specs but, the only thing holding me back is the mandatory requirement of needing the latest build of Windows 10/11. I'll pass, and they can keep their A.I. spyware.
wait, it requires update 24H2? Cool, so Im going to save my money, no need for expensive game nor expensive PC update, tnx Microsoft....
Interesting I had not heard this yet.
Can you provide a link to an article that states this?
@@theVRpilot YT doesn't allow links to be posted but, it's right there on the MSFS 2024 site for the system reqs - First thing listed. If you can get confirmation that it doesn't, please let me know! I'd love to have this sim.
@@m16mojo me too, but 24H2 is a no go for me.
Hi hype
@@RandomVideoEditors Mad hype!
I'll be the devil's advocate. The response from Microsoft/Asobo to all the people with performance issues. "It's your low internet bandwidth causing the problems". A convenient scapegoat. It's perfect. Pay your ISP another 150 bucks A MONTH to fix it.
Yeah right?
Well I think we will start seeing more "cloud gaming" as the years progress completely removing PC requirements from being an issue.
Asobo did state you don't need the fastest internet and again, this is a slower type chill game, loading a lot of data. if you are doing MACH 10 at 5000FT that is a lot of data to load though! lol
@@theVRpilot Just thought I'd bring it up. But there will be some people out there that have an ISP that don't have the capacity to support the bandwidth needed. Yeah Mach 10 is pushing it, lol.
Yeah, well, I'm stuck at 15mbps, unless I move, lol, which would mean higher rent, and much longer commute to work. I guess I'll be skipping this for the time being.
Yea personally I think requiring such high internet speeds is the wrong move if all they are doing is trying to reduce the local storage and initial load times. Local storage is cheap compared to a fast internet connection and waiting a minute or two for things to load up isn't a big deal especially when you, again, see the cost of the internet connection required.
I have a 3080 and I have great VR performance so I don’t upgrade maybe later.
Nice! You’re in a good spot for now!
Am on xbox😭
@@OneAviation Cmon over my friend! I’ll make a video soon for the Xbox folks!
@@theVRpilot I appreciate it
Ever considered turning that awful, repetitive music off?
@@TheMicj38 I appreciate the feedback.
This is garbage regarding the internet speed requirements. Over London in 2d, with everything ultra, ive done hours of observations on task manger, and have seen a max draw of 375Meg. So ideal would be around 375-400meg. 100 as ideal is horse shit, and keeps the doors open for people with relatively slow speeds.
Dont kid yourself, you need 400meg for the Ultimate experience. FACT.
I spoke to Seb and he said that it will not be a REQUIREMENT but faster internet will improve your experience.
So sure, I agree with you faster internet is better.
They are well aware that not EVERYONE has super fast internet and Seb told me in person that he has more normal computers, in fact he had multiple and they ran on 50 MBPS.
This isnt COD, or Battlefield, most flights are are chill, slow sight seeing. 50 MBPS should be enough, but I look forward to seeing what the real numbers are.
@@theVRpilot It doesnt have to be COD. In VR especially, slow bandwidth creates pop in, and slow photogrammetry.
Reading between the lines, its obvious Seb and team will downplay the bandwidth requirements. Think about it, if they stated 500meg as ideal, how many sales would they lose? = Lots. Lots and lots of dollars.
You have to use your critical faculties, logic and question (for yourself) these large companies. They are not honest brokers, not because they are bad people, no, its purely about sales.
That's all im saying. If London in 2d draws up to 375meg, it stands without reason, anything less is NOT ideal. Hence "ideal" specs are not what they seem..
Dont fall into the trap, of "pandering" to these companies. I know it can be mutually beneficial as a growing youtuber, but truth will always outpace that sort of thing. Your audience these days are increasingly savvy, and will catch that sort of thing very quickly.. Not meaning to target you in that statement, but it does happen, so take that for what its worth.
Cheers.
You have slow your speech down as a private pilot. I can't imagine you talking that fast as an air traffic controller
Lol, thanks Greg. When I get busy at work, I slow down my speech rate as pilots tend to respond and try to match my tempo and many are student pilots with thick foreign accents.
I do talk fast and hate to ramble on even longer talking like a sloth on here lol.
Thanks for the feedback.
Also. Radar services terminated.
How can you even have an opinion when it hasn't been released (aside from the alpha). Lol. The answer is yes. No need to watch video
yo! Sooo, I have a large community here and on Facebook and discord, I often reply to topics that come up often from the community.
Not everyone is tech savvy, there’s a lot of older guys and middle age getting into the hobby who are new. Some topics are no brainers but others require depth.
My goal is to bring value to stuff I think that is important and share my opinion while hopefully being helpful and not completely wasting your time.
In short, yes, upgrading is a great idea, but since you didn’t watch the video you obviously already know the 3 tips I was going to suggest! 😂🤣😂
It really is quite simple... if your experience in MSFS 2024 sucks then you need to upgrade. I don't need you to tell me that. Until then everyone should wait to see what their experience will be like and not take any notice of such videos from people such as yourself who don't know what anyone else's experience will be like.
It is a simple reply to a simple legitimate question for people who might be considered simpletons (new to MSFS) with a simple need to know. Do you know the difference between simple and idiotic?
No fluff, no adds, nothing crazy just answering a simple question here
I run this community with 10k members, my discord, and a Facebook group with 11k members.
I chose to answer a question that is coming up spot from folks that may not be as wise as you, so while you don’t need this video, it has helped many, and I’ve seen many ask the same question.
I’m just here sharing some (hopefully) gods and helpful information.
And I really don’t know if you watched the whole video because you and I both agree on what to do…, I said what you said, which again isn’t common knowledge to all the new simmers joining this great hobby.
But seriously, did you even watch the video? Lol
@@theVRpilot No, I didn't watch the video, as I already said I don't need anyone to tell me whether I should upgrade or not, I'll find that out on November 19th. And it doesn't need wisdom to work that out.
OK man, have fun!
Hi. Have a question if I may? Im now on a xbox x and want to change to a pc. Since I don't have a clue what kind of a pc I should buy for the new sim I asked in a computer store and he came with this. Is this enough or do you think I can go better? Thank you.
ASUS ROG STRIX B650E-F GAMING WIFI - ATX - Socket AM5 - AMD B650 × 1
€ 264,95 (incl. btw)
AMD Ryzen 9 7900X3D / 4.4 GHz processor - 12-core × 1
€ 562,50 (incl. btw)
ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 280 processor liquid cooling system × 1
€ 79,50 (incl. btw)
Corsair VENGEANCE - 64 GB : 2 x 32 GB - CL40 - DDR5 - 6000 MHz × 1
€ 229,50 (incl. btw)
Samsung 990 PRO MZ-V9P2T0BW - 2 TB - PCle 4.0 NVMe M.2 SSD × 1
€ 179,00 (incl. btw)
Sapphire PULSE AMD Radeon RX 7900 XT - Radeon RX 7900 XT - 20 GB GDDR6 × 1
€ 749,99 (incl. btw)
Corsair RMx SHIFT Series RM850x - 850 Watt 80 PLUS Gold Fully Modular Low-Noise ATX PSU - ATX 3.0 and PCIe 5.0 × 1
€ 155,00 (incl. btw)
Corsair 5000D CORE AIRFLOW Mid-Tower ATX PC Case - Black × 1
€ 149,00 (incl. btw)
Microsoft Windows 11 Pro - OEM - 64-bit - Nederlands × 1
€ 169,00 (incl. btw)
Assemblagekosten - PC uit losse onderdelen × 1
€ 65,00 (incl. btw)
Welcome my friend!
Ok, so I can’t verify prices for you but I will answer your question.
Is this GOOD? Oh yes! It’s very good!
Can you go better? Yes, a bit.
Is it necessary? Well, not really but what I can say is this.
The main improvement you could do would be upgrade the GPU to a 4090.
That will likely double the cost of the entire build.
There are diminishing returns as you go higher because it will not double your FPS but for many hardcore VR simmers we want the best and the most of our VR experience so we splurge on that.
Alternatively a 4080 super would be great as that is what Microsoft used at the world preview event I attended in Arizona.
Again, 4090 is close to $2k and what you have there is great.
Also consider if you plan to enter VR you need to buy that too!
I consider the Quest 3, Pimax Crystal Light, Big Screen Beyond, and Somnium VR1 some of the best headsets on the market and that covers all budgets.
Each has pros and cons.
I do not have a video comparing them but if you check VR Flight Sim Guy on youtube, my buddy Steve absolutely does!
Keep me posted on what you decide!
I’m excited for you and plan to make a video welcoming Xbox users.
Let me know what challenges you face aside from picking a Pc so I can address them!
@@theVRpilot Thank you so much for taking the time to answer me! Really appreciate that. The reason I asked is that when I started with the first version of the flights I also needed a pc (im on a Mac) I asked advice then too and that shop build a pc for me with should be perfect. But all I got then was stuttering pictures when I put everything on 85%. Then it was too late to upgrade and I don't wanne make the same mistake. I will use this pc only for the flights, nothing else. But I do want to see all the details and no stuttering anymore :-) The option for using vr is not for me, not at this time anyway. Again thank you for the help, I think will order this one and be happy with it :-)