Kramnik vs. Jospem + Norway Chess
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- Опубліковано 6 чер 2024
- Watching Clash of Claims match between Vladimir Kramnik and Jose Martinez Alcantara aka Jospem
also watching Norway Chess 2024 final round
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Let's do the procedure
Yes, it's all very clear to me. I mean, I couldn't even find some of these moves in classical. Yeah, accuracy about 90%. Makes sense. Let's go ahead and do the procedure.
Side note, great videos Anish. Keep them coming.
😂
It's hilarious because even in Armageddon rapid games they are playing above that percentage OTB
Sir Giri, you immitations at 1:01:20 are of the best i have seen in years in youtube. You are legend.
I absolutely love this stream. I didn't manage to catch it live unfortunately. But seriously fantastic!!!
This stream is the funniest one from all your other streams😂😂😂 I died on the impressions and on the knife joke
Your mood in this streaming was so good, I am glad for you!!!!
Krammik will do some paper work
"The Procedure" is the Phil Hellmuth of chess.
Awesome ! Great commentary Anish I really enjoyed that. Interesting chess too. It was so funny when you did the little parody's. I like to do those too sometimes. Maybe Kramniks pre-moves was not enabled but he could see Jospem pre-moving. That happened to me once was so annoying. Mouse too slow ?or too fast ? Woops auto- queen lol. Thanks epic stream !
Actually now ive seen Kramnik explaining the controverse and he was very correct actually. So in reality he had 20 seconds on clock like we see in this stream in that last game.. but on his screen the game showed 2 second, 3 seconds constantly so he was scrambling and playing much quicker and much worse than if he had seen that he had 20 Seconds. Thats completely legit to complain about, that why he wasnt finding the win either.. otherwise he likely would have.
TT 3+1
Kramnik asked for 3+2....
Jospem - ok.
Play board and online 50/50.
Chess.com/wifi/ failed
Kramink: Lets continue over the board!
Jospem: ok...
Respect Jose !!!!
Dis for VB, organisers ...
@32:10 words of wisdom?! Subscribed nevertheless!! (I missed this match...I was watching, with the TV in the background, classical chess.
Here after day two José is at 6.5 to Kramnik's 7.5. They are concluding the match with 14 online games tomorrow. Glad to see jospem showed up to play June 8th
Привет, Аниш! Родненький!
Anish is getting better at streaming now 😮
Obviously there was a glitch. And people are still talking about Kramnik 😂 they will never change.
He's probably blocked Jospem again right after he quit.
jospem is just a monster baby
Good stuff
Kramnik complained about something at the end? Never saw that coming.
Wasn't it legit though?
Anish, consider that GPTs and LLMs need to have cache too if you ask the same questions (otherwise one can overload them easily, like a manual Denial of Service). So if you ask the same, they reply mostly the same.
Further if the training data emphasizes the 20%, they will pick that value more often.
Like what is the chance to have Anish as chess world champion? 20%
Jospem is definitely not even close the same as online
3+2 instead of 3+1, for a player with insane mouse speed and play under pressure.
Huge difference.
Online not same as OTB.
@@Jean-BaptistePOQUELINKramnikDogs cant understand that sadly
Mouse speed can not give u 2800 chess tactics strategy intelligence urn dense
@@ahmadkidwai3141 But it helps to win at the last moment of the game.
Plus mastering the mouse let you being focused 100% on the game, while players like Kramnik need to focus on just moving pieces correctly, and know they can't afford zeinot.
It's like playing OTB with a disabled arm.
In pure chess, Kramnik is probably better, but in Titled Tuesday, it's defenetly not the same conditions.
Anish bhai i have one question why vidit is not active in his youtube channel, you know the reason?
Can someone explains what happened? Why they switched to all OTB?
I am curious how it will turn out. Online, Jospem has a 9-1 lead over Kramnik; here, they seem roughly equal. It's too early to tell even with Kramnik leading, but INTERESTING results nonetheless
Kramnik is a good player but he is much slower compared to Jospem. So 3+2 favour s Kramnik while 3+1 favours Jospem
That's not really true; even if you look at today's games, Kramnik seemed to manage his time on par with Jospem, sometimes edging out. Like it wasn't obvious Kramnik was in any time trouble - not more so than Jospem.
I agree 3+1 is a different animal, which is why I want to see the results of online games
@@AbsolutelyRandomUsername 9-1 in which time controls?
Too early to be INTERESTING as you say.
@AbsolutelyRandomUsername Mind you, the format was initially set to 3+1 but Kramnik demanded it to be changed to 3+2. Of course you wouldn't notice that he is bad at time scrambles because as you can see he is doing all his best to avoid scrambles
Anish stream is very underrated. Interesting
I like this Kramnik vs Jospem format.
It’s funny to see how complete chess amateurs try to find mistakes of the 14th world chess champion. The dogs bark, Kramnik moves on
it proves Krmainicks' claims are ridiculous
You are ridiculous
Me when my brain tweaks -
Watch kramnik videos then you will understand what he talks about.
This proves nothing, Vladimir is way past his prime, him giving a tough fight to Jose is ridiculous. In online games Jose used to destroy these players in titled tuesdays
@@ian27792 cry
Привет Аниш)
Interesting
Anish you should play in Norway
Best commentary for classical games. This is theory, seen it before, drawn position, let's move on.
Where is chessable logo
lol bro is mad for no reason
i will copy and paste my message from above cause "Actually now ive seen Kramnik explaining the controverse and he was very correct actually. So in reality he had 20 seconds on clock like we see in this stream in that last game.. but on his screen the game showed 2 second, 3 seconds constantly so he was scrambling and playing much quicker and much worse than if he had seen that he had 20 Seconds. Thats completely legit to complain about, that why he wasnt finding the win either.. otherwise he likely would have."
I came here for chess,i stayed for the literature lesson
Hi Anish
he was complaining about the proceadure
I give Kramnik props for being willing to put it on the line for what he's been posting. Also for taking on a younger much lower rated opponent. However Jospem just looks to me like a guy that was already a very good GM as a youth player and has jumped in strength to a world class player and his rating hasn't caught up yet. He isn't flagging Kramnik from worse positions he's just playing really strong chess.
But Kramnik is close...which is suspicious? Josperm "should" be blowing out the old geezer? It's all good tho, makes for interesting chess.
@@raylopez99 Maybe I'm wrong since I don't follow Kramnik and his escapades closely but I thought the whole 'claim' he was making is that Jospem is a mid GM that couldn't beat a former WC and current number 12 in the world player, without some kind of illegal help. So far (after the first day, haven't watch the second day) it looks like there isn't a real difference in strength between them and Jospem being more of an online specialist combined with him living rent free in Kramnik's head is a very reasonable explaination of their online record.
Anish Giri, tech wizard.
no we are not live mr anish
2:25:55 Qf4 threatens to trap the knight with f3, and wins a pawn.
1:57:50 for the Giri book recommendations
Its like the main word coming out his mouth is DRAW
I don't know who flied to Mexico to train jospem,but suddenly Anish speaks really good Spanish...
So, Jospen showed nothing even close that he showed on Tuesdays. He even has much less time in most of the games. Poor moves, not the first lines in few seconds as on Tuesdays. However, to make a final decision we wait for online games, OTB you can see that Kramnik is better, and where does Jospen's 9-1 domination come from online? 😂
Any comments on Anish's thoughts about preparation at 1:00:30 - 1:02:00 and format at 1:42:00 - 1:44:00 ?
Incredible mimicry rofl 😂😂😂😂
Didnt Kramnik accuse him for cheating at some point?
Yes this is why they are playing in person.
I said from the start that Kramnik has a mental health issue and that content creators shouldn't platform him or organize these kinds of tournaments.
he doesnt have a mental issue that's an insult don't do that, that's for kids
@@dariogreggio7981he seems deranged.This is beyond embarrassing.Schizophrenics have such symptoms ,and atleast they have genuine issues.
@@dariogreggio7981 It is not an insult. It is immoral to milk him for content. 100% he is delusional. 100% it is a sign of mental illness. I said this before this started. And it is happening now. It is not an insult. ASnd you are a kid. This is an extremely serious criticism of me of Levy, and others.
If Kramnik had just played and either won or lost, it proves nothing. By coming up with new conspiracy theories mid-match he proved the entire thing he was trying to disprove. And people like Levy should have seen this coming for a long distance away.
@@dariogreggio7981 Kramnik behaves like a kid with all the complaints, excuses and twitter shitposting
🤡 said by an idiot
Kramnik is complaining about the statistics and mathematical probabilities.
This Kramnik thing accusing everybody of cheating is all a big confusion caused by the fact that he doesn't know what drag and drop is😂
How arrogant can Giri get !!! Kramnik made this move "because he read my course". Anish you are an ....!
I have a very high IQ and I can attest for a fact that if wit indicates genius, Giri is a shoe-in.
Love that they did do a lot of increment in the online portion so Kramnik doesnt complain about getting flagged and what does Kramnik do?
Complain about how Jospem went from 6 seconds to 20 seconds in a couple moves... 🤦♂🤦♂
he didnt complain about that, Kramnik haters have low IQ
That bug is real, chess players on titled Tuesday users on reddit and X have reported the same problem.
Usually occurs in one in ten games
do not sh on claims when you have no idea what is going on
A lot of games went: Kramnik got an advantage and could not convert under time pressure. Under 3+1 and online this would only get more pronounced. Prob without the break and online as planned Jospem would be in the lead. And if it would be 3+1 as we should compare Jospem would be in pretty clear lead.
Yea but online Jospem is on Hikarus level
@@sorrynotsorry9044 I don’t watch TT. So what your saying is: a typical win of Jospem in TT against Kramnik would not be a game with Kramnik advantage that he can’t covert and Jospem wins in the end but he totally outplays him all the time ?
Trying to follow Norway chess, I was hit every day by that annoying voice of a guy who does not have anything to say anyway in official stream. BUT
today I stumbled upon a stream of that other guy, who is really knowledgeable about chess and perfectly funny. Lucky me, thank you!
Tournament over ?
No, 2 more days i think
No, I think there are 2 more days
No, tomorrow continúes 😊
No 2 days more
nice
Coment for normal people
you comment like, men I like your Chanel, but, your comments are so fuckin technicaflly so good, think of normal people :)
the very technology rises up against the old fart
Can you please make the kramnik vs jospem scoreboard a lot better by editing in the next stream? Make it look attractive
0:10 Did he say toilet chess? Is Anish sitting on a toilet while he gives commentary on these games? Is he actually recording this in his bathroom?
Jospecito 🇵🇫🇲🇽
a) we need more of those matches. Yes they are blitz but it is a ton of moves, still good.
b) Jospem was affected by Kramnik crying.
c) nice stream
d) Deep Blue cannot run on modern CPUs not GPUs. It was using lots of specialized chips.
f) it is not a good replication of TT settings, still nice though.
I just had a crazy dream anish
I was in this choir class and Andrew Tate showed up and we went into the matrix and then we were trying to pick out clothes for a football game. And then he said his dad worked for the matrix and would take people or something and something about communism and Cuba and I grabbed him
And I started writing equations on him and it overloaded the matrix and it was outputting like quantum mechanic concepts in a flow chart
And then it started damaging me and it froze and then I got out somehow
I had that exact same dream
Kramnic is right about the guy who cheated at the game's. at games jospem fuond hard move but in this he can't
Also how come Jospem isnt crushing him like online and even have less time even in the 2nd online game
Because some players do better online than in person, like Narodisky. You get used to how the pieces move and look online. It’s like in sports, if you are used to playing in warm weather then cold weather may be a problem.
Moving pieces faster with the mouse also saves you more time to think, compared to moving pieces by hand.
You people are loathsome.
@@Deerjason They aren't playing online. They both traveled to the same spot to play in the same room. In front of an audience. Very different than for playing a game online in your own office/bedroom.
@@Deerjason I'll tell you as a chess player THAT IS BU.SHIT!! Fischer's tactical skill and Capablanca's positional sense either you have it or you don't, and a beginner will never play online like a master and a master will never play online like an elite grandmaster. You must know thousands of games by heart, thousands of typical endgame positions, tens of thousands of variations of your opening repertoire, practice chess every day with a coach in order to grow as a chess player. You won't become stronger just by playing online without a ton of knowledge and skills. Mayweather will kick your ass in the ring, and on the street, and in the hall of your home. Skill does not disappear anywhere if it is there.
@@mister_bruce ah so u agree with Kramnik that Jospem is cheating 😂. Dumb take, there is a reason why Jospem is better playing online than over the board; it’s called practice.
jospem was wrong to agree to changing the rules. Kramnik forfeited. The end.
Jose plays way better on computer xD
Even in this games
Also kramnik plays way worse on computer
This is somewhat understandable when you got little time and you are more used to one the another xD
Be yourself mate. You're not kewl. When you pretend it only looks pathetic.
Vibrating hands, very concerning.
next match should be naka- kramink. OTB 3+2
28:16 boom
how about that Krammik? in your face!
Don't tell me this guy speaks Spanish too??
🎉KRAMNIK vs Chess com 1:0
You saw inadequacy in opponents' timers (how much time left and how quick Kramnik was playing for the time he had) and still blame him for making up things /facepalm/
kramnik is so unhinged
Poor guy . Losing it. This is what happens when you grow up with no computers , than start using them your just confused. . From champ to chump
Kramnik won on the first day on points. Let me remind you that in online chess, Jospin destroys Kramnik to zero. If you still haven't figured anything out, then you're dumb.
Yo mods, during the whole stream there were some racist comments and you didn't do anything about it. Does Anish really tolerate antisemitism in his chat? This is very disturbing.
so f..verbose.. over and over.. never ending his tirade
The clown got clowned. What was kramnik trying to prove
@RaniaIsAwesome It seems their mind is like a bread. They cannot see what they dont like.
@@user-hx2we1hh4rkramnick is a lunatic
The stream layout sucks man
Presentation is horrible.. stick to playing pls
Hey, I just wanted to tell you that mocking Kramnik won't work you drawish machine.
Kramnik has no class and he's also delusional 🙄. He's now a laughing stock.
@RaniaIsAwesome So you have just two braincells, makes sense.
@RaniaIsAwesome Zzzzz Zzzz Zzzz
Kramnik doth protest too much
It doesn't prove Kramnik claims are ridiculous. It proves he's right.
Firstly Kramnik can complain if the time setup is not the same as Titled Tuesday.
Secondly, if the scores was 3.5 and 4.5 for jospem until stream ended, beating Kramnik every time in titled Tuesday it proves it's cheating when this shows clearly that's 50/50 chance of winning for either. How can jospem have complete winning advantage from begining to end in TT when here we can see it's always fluctuates and it's sometimes losing and sometimes winning. So clearly he does blunder.
But anyways, it's true that the time control should be the same as TT to make definite proof, but nice stream anyways.
You are a bit stupid, but please continue
Look at how bad Kramnik played with time trouble, and compare it to the way Jose plays so well that he can even swindle worse positions. Not always, of course, but just like in TT where he also makes mistakes sometimes.
Jospem just made a video where he performed so well in TT with arbiters in his rooms, and here, conditions were so differents (especially he can't use his mouse speed), and he still won.
As Anish said, 3+2 let you get back so much time. 3+1 is a constant pressure. 3+1 would favors Jose so much that the score would be crushing for him.
@@Jean-BaptistePOQUELIN you right, jospem is innocent, if you say that you are 100% sure he's innocent and not a cheater.
@@1petrutu lol, what a great statement)
@@user-hx2we1hh4r they are just like flatearthers, nothing will prove them the simple fact that they and Kramnik are losers, it's all cheaters and global conspiracies
Kramnik shit his pants basically
My respect for Topalov after this ⏫⏫⏫
Let's do the procedure