IVE needs a new choreographer??

[@KiiriisDiaryy]

honsetly, they do need a new choreographer

[@tkobsidia9500]

I think why they have a slower choreography is to have an easier time singing

[@pthara10]

@@tkobsidia9500 watch them still be forced to lip sync

[@-_hyunjinhaseatenyeosang_-]

​@@pthara10oh, can u please tell me when's the most recent they have ever lyp synced?

[@saiki.k__8144]

@@pthara10they literally just made a live performance

[@pthara10]

@@saiki.k__8144 BYE lmao i js saw that

[@ThatGurl.00]

I'm just glad they aren't blaming Ive members

[@wony.wonyoung2012]

Yeah 😭

[@EV143]

Me too, it's so rare nowadays

[@offtherecordnight]

​@@EV143 yeah it's actually so unexpected considering the fact it's IVE the literal punching bag of 4th gen😭

[@Enhypenforlife7]

Yeah

[@aiza4777]

DIVES traumatized by IVE's hate train during the pandemic present 😭

[@yeonicore]

i agree so much, the song is so good but the choreo? hell no.

[@elfy2006]

yes, I was disappointed, they made Ive look dirty :(

[@aesaratic123]

Ikr, and the bridge is SOOOO slow

[@yeonicore]

@@aesaratic123 sorry but i don't agree with this, THEY DEVOURED THAT

[@kazulover6122]

Y'all do realise that they tone down the choreographer to meet the idol style I've seen ive demo ane they are alwyas tougher and better than orginal choreography and they tone it down because ive not so good dancer+ Ive do live singing these days an easy dance is what's best for them

[@LolLol-bp5mx]

i think they need a new one too but it makes sense because their songs are more slower and elegant

[@annalisanorman9013]

If you watch the Lachica demo, this doesn’t happen. Starship made the changes that made it look sloppy for some reason.

[@Jem5122]

Thanks for pointing this out. The demo definitely suits the song more but doesn't match their princess concept as much. Still though Ives version lacks so much energy, especially in the chorus, its kinda hard to watch.

[@LunaLei]

They might have done changes to who sings the lines, but I honestly don't know how it works... So xD

[@vlad5042]

the lachica demos always look great while the final thing always looks mediocre. i think thats proof they need a different choreographer who knows their style, concept, and skills more.

[@stream-5star]

yea exactly!! it still doesn't fit the concept entirely, but la chicas demo def looks sooo much more polished

[@offtherecordnight]

​@@Jem5122 but ive doesn't have a concept? they're literally the most versatile queens out there not even scared to explore different concepts

[@Secret_MRN]

Yeah I agree, when I saw the dance I was super disappointed and underwhelmed l, the song felt so cool, but the choreo is just questionable. It felt like it needed more energy and just more details, it lacked a lot. But I don't blame the girls they did their best to make it look the best they could.

[@ShreyaNarain]

I actually like it I agree there could be more energetic parts but it's more of a technical coreo with hands ect and I feel like it's not too hard for singing but there could be better coreo with better formation

[@lvrinaa]

Actually, lachica had a harder choreography for heya but it was to hard for most IVE members so they watered it down to be easier for them so please don’t blame the choreographer.

[@taliak8760]

I’m glad other people are thinking this. I thought that maybe I was being too critical but it looked very messy to me

[@watermelonsugar4050]

Agree. It looks quite messy. The choreographer should avoid unnecessary movement to make it look neat. I think

[@djdb1214]

It's always like this. The girls deserve better.

[@squeakingbirb9913]

siiiiiis, I’ve always said their Kitsch choreography was so messy toooo 😂😂😂

[@kpopslayyforreal]

Hybe:needs a vocal trainer
Starship:needs a choreographer
Edit:I caused french revolution in the comments 💀😭

[@tulipmars]

kpop stans: need a job

[@kpopslayyforreal]

Chill bruh

[@axeltheking4157]

@@tulipmarsyou’re the unemployed in question

[@rb2k196]

Praying for you, bc that's a bold statement these days 😂 Will check in tomorrow to see whether the stans tore you a new one lmao

[@Fearless.cat1209]

​​@@tulipmars😂😂😂😂 best comment EVER haha

[@RK99KR]

I feel like we should see the demo choreography first before we judge their choreographer. Sometimes the group's company ask to change parts cause of needed vocal stability among many other reasons.

[@juliet1495]

The demo has everyone moving a little so it looks way more neat, idk why they changed it

[@OokamiTsu]

You can watch LACHICHA's choreo on their channel, it's not their fault but IVE's team. They changed so much of LACHICA's choreo. Also, I like them buy they danced with no energy...

[@verytigey]

I thinl the choreo fits the song well, and I didn't notice the running in the back before it was pointed out

[@The-Mediator]

Same

[@Golden_kook]

This choreo might not be best for looking but these less jumpy and non tacky choreo is best for them for performing live . They'll do one single mistake or have unstable vocal moment kpop stan would eat them alive especially right now there is obsession with Mr removed videos .

[@Souperman99]

I agree that the choreo being slower and less impactful is best for live performing, which I welcome. BUT, that doesnt excuse some of the messy transitions and just overall weird movements. It could all still be polished, while maintaining its focus on live singing.

[@meowsnyx]

the choreo is tacky though the choreographer can make choreo look nice without it looking messy while taking into account that the girls need to be able to sing to it

[@vlad5042]

i dont think anyone's asking for a jumpy choreo, just one that doesn't look awkward.

[@vlad5042]

also, if the concern is that the choreo is too tiring to do while singing stuff like rei having to rush from one side of the formation to the opposite side within a couple seconds is super bad for that also

[@yoon9521]

I think the choreo fit the concept, it's playful and not too overpowering. It's easier for them to sing live too as they don't have jumpy move. The only missing part would be the dance break, they should've make it more interesting as Gaeul doesn't have much line anyway

[@passionfruits4]

girl they have rei sprinting to her formation

[@yoon9521]

@@passionfruits4 you meant that one time during the last chorus where she doesn't have anymore line after that? That's your complain?

[@passionfruits4]

@@yoon9521 it looks messy having someone run to their spot, only to be blocked. the whole choreo is messy and sets ive up

[@jennieesfuego]

They were trained to dance and sing. The choreography wasn't too bad, but they could have done better. Compared to IVE's other choreographies, this one was lacking.

[@Lizzyd789]

Frr

[@tearsona3209]

The choreography doesn't need to be fast paced just bc the song is fast paced. But it definitely needs some changes, and new formations.

[@cloudsn]

I think it's funny that people are saying that the choreo is too slow for the song when I feel like there's a lot of popular songs that are chill but have very fast dances. I don't want to start anything, but many NJ songs are laid back, but all the choreos are extremely fast. And everyone loves them? But I've always felt that they don't suit the concept at all.

[@slug05]

​@@cloudsnsuper shy comes to mind

[@user-fz7db4ls3i]

They can sing alive with this choreo, so I’m fine with it.

[@Jaxnay219]

If you’re a kpop idol you need to be able to sing live with every choreography… that’s literally what they’re trained to do so there are no excuses.

[@user-fz7db4ls3i]

@@Jaxnay219 But they are dancing. Besides, I think their chores matches a song perfectly

[@jennie.chanel.]

but it kind of sucks, it can be boring for all I care but they need to make it at least fit the song.

[@Joonpathy]

​@@jennie.chanel. the choreos can still be fun while being easy

[@strawberry_3623]

Yeah sure singing perfectly while jumping and dancing rapidly without ur voice cracking or high notes turning out weird is totally possible

[@hamydoesntheart]

As a DIVE since their debut, choreos has been great and reasonable for their concept. But when this comeback came out, their discography never miss but this choreo is.

[@waystedjzn]

lmao i dont even notice the choreography much cuz im busy vibing to the music most of the time 😅

[@hi_reppen6540]

They’ll complain about the choreography and when they finally get really good choreo they’ll complain that they need easier choreo cuz it’s affecting vocal stability just let them do them

[@aemvsk]

no but the choreography just sucked in general

[@user-yv9gt7ym9s]

Ok I agree. But at the same time you don't need hard choreo to make it good. The moves just overall weren't anything memorable and none really stood out.

[@Ycheee]

Good does not necessarily mean hard

[@stantxtstraykidsandseventeen]

Good doesn’t mean hard- the choreo is just awkward in general. IVE’s choreo for I am was good but not hard.

[@orizadhiazwanti9344]

tbh in general most ive choreography is quite easy yet they still look good, it just not for this one

[@Reymuru_sama]

If you watched Lachica demo version, it's actually good tho. It's just that IVE do the choreo with less energy and not as intense as the original. The choreo was meant to be executed intensely but IVE toned it down so they can sing live

[@adrieljames3484]

I agree in Leeseos part but I think the chorus part really fits well

[@Forever_inSomnia]

The choreo is great..the formations are the real problem

[@Weeeeeeeee-cn1fj]

No i disagree. HEAR ME OUT choreos are meant to be fun and personally i love this easygoing chill choreo style cuz then it’ll be easier for ive to sing live. Hybe has made us too used to choreographies that feel like the idols are gonna jump out of the screen at any moment(no offense to anyone or the idold i appreciate all their efforts 😭🤍) so its nice to see such a laid back choreograpgy

[@ZioComposite]

Does need some cleaning up but mostly agree with you especially side it has to be performed live. Black pink had similar comments but when they perform live it shows why choreo is not the most intense. Not like I or netizens are doing any live singing and dancing lol

[@l0velyfl0wer]

This choreography is not laid back. Yujin was on the flow, their arms were flying everywhere and the formations kept changing😭
A fun choreography would be any New Jeans choreography, Girls Generation or Red Velvets funner songs

[@adrinlotw9345]

The choreography needs some improvement but it’s still fun I like the most part of it and it’s easy and fun to do kinda like 2nd gen’s choreographies but still it could’ve been better

[@m1ntch0c0]

rei running behind them gave me iz*one flashbacks 😭😭

[@mumumaxima]

I don’t care about choreography, but Liz looks STUNNING in their new MV. So proud of her ❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@kooroumie]

I don’t know I personally like the choreo.

[@user-fq8cu5in6j]

I love their choreo!!! It’s IVE’s unique and it suits their concept and their looks and personalities so well. It also not so intensive so it lets them sing and not struggle with breath too much. There is no need their choreo to be the same like other groups because for me most of other gg choreo looks similar and boring, because movements are really almost the same. I wish IVE can remain their calm beauty they show since Eleven era 🤍

[@Tati___na]

For people who don’t understand this industry it’s a series of dance crews and choreographers that Ives team meshes together for the final product, considering that the girls will also have to sing and dance (personally don’t think Ive is known for being more of a high dance kpop group) this is included in the final product. The majority of this choreography was created by lachica one of the best crews , and if you look at the original choreo lachica does it more justice. The choreo had to be more simple for ive, so don’t blame the choreographers because Ive doesn’t pull it off too well and dancing isn’t their strongest suite .

[@zonakalori]

I always love ive's song and choreography. This one is good enough and it has some catchy part. But i agree that it kinda unpolished? It lacks power and detail. The camera angel and their expression help alot in camera but in full view you can see how much it is lacking.

[@Ria1D13]

Starship usually combine moves from differenet dance crews, mostly from Lachica and FreeMind. I believe this choreo made by Lachica. If they only want to use choreo from 1 crew, I think FreeMind is a better choice, they have sharp, clean, and interesting moves. I’m not a fan of I AM choreo as well, and it’s also made by Lachica. Idk maybe it’s my preference.

[@Leoo143]

Am I the only one enjoying the choreo ? Like despit the little run for the position ( nothing too deep ), the choreo just match the song and their vibe ! I love it

[@baddabing-badaboom]

I loved it.

[@bigfourzer0noglah2moowildriser]

I loved it too ❤

[@namiyoru-rs1hh]

and gauel needs her rap back😭😭😭

[@gemmamoon5998]

Or a dance break

[@Ji_chuu]

I hope this doesn't repeat in Accendio

[@GingerJinji]

Same goes for their old song 'BADDIE' the main chorus was so chill meanwhile the dance was badass

[@annagrace4169]

I love lachica but I agree this was not their best work

[@sk0l0pendrra]

I loved the choreo :(

[@FunSquad12326]

Y’all this is there concept, elegent and cute, it would make no sense if they did a fast choreography, that only for punk,y2k style concept..

[@uforc49kie69]

It doesn't have to be fast. All the moves are heavily reused in general in the song and in the Industy, they look cluttered, too close and looked off sync, and it is too slow. That doesn't mean we want straykids dancing it's just too slow pace for the moves they are doing which makes it looks like their being lazy when their just soft dancing and it makes it look like they learned the dance in 2 hours.
This choreography is too slow for the song, off sync, cluttered, busy without being busy. [It's like a crowd of people walking slow and squished together. ] , most reused dance moves, too much soft dancing to striking energetic poses and moves.

[@l0velyfl0wer]

I would call Eleven a fast choreography or even Baddie. But this one just felt all over the place, maybe it was the song itself

[@eirinikocheila4778]

As a dancer, I'd say they need more dance training. It's not necessarily the choreographer's fault if they're trying to make it easier for them. And even if the choreographer is problem, they still need a lot of dance training to improve. So far, yujin is the only one keeping up

[@MadeWithCaree]

I thought i was the only one who thought that the rest of the members dancing skills were a bit lacking

[@eirinikocheila4778]

@MadeWithCaree no you're not! Whether you are a dancer or not, their lacking is obvious

[@scarletjems7040]

That but is it really important tho. They already dance well and they have to use their voices as well. I think its already well balanced.

[@________ag680]

Yes. I agree. That song us so good but they need to chabge choreographer now.

[@AB-yk2pq]

Honestly i found a lot of their choreographies boring, especially this one and Baddie.
They're all decent dancers,I think they can handle more dynamic choreographies with more details.
I had similar complaints with Aespa, but their choreographies clearly learned with Drama, Trick or Trick and Better things.

[@JMeve]

The song is about a tiger who fell in love with the sun. And in the chorus the little circle they make with their hands represents the sun ☀️ and after they eat the sun with their “claw” . I think it’s pretty creative, but it’s really not girls fault if there’s some boring parts of the dance 🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️

[@jhiaka9888]

2nd and 1st gen always had easy choreo and it was fine cause they sang live and were stable with good stage presence which is the exact description of IVE so I think it’s fine they’re not a dance focused group and their choreo is easy to follow and always trending, not to mention they have a lot of grade schooler fans.

[@artmsangel]

ive been thinking this for a while!! that one part in baddie with yujin on the floor IS WHAT WE NEED MORE OF LIKE PLEASEEE

[@hyoyogf]

As a dancer, this choreography is not bad, but not their best. As long as your idols love this choreography you don’t have to hate it lol. That is actually good, I loved the chorus so much

[@The-Mediator]

I thought the choreo fit the song’s pretty elegant upbeat vibe and it caught my attention.

[@dfernandez3482]

Gaeul looks good with long hair 😮🙂

[@Sukkulents_]

wtf… i loved the choreo 😭😭

[@yujinisty]

*Fr I agree...they deserve a strong choreography to highlight their dance skills more!!*

[@noidea5927]

I like how the choreo fits the vocal line instead of instumental. It helps to control Ive's breath during singing and actually fits the concept. My only problem is with that the formation wasn't really considered. It should be smooth. Especially with such slow and sensual choreo (i am not sure if it is the right words but i can't come up with a better one), where every single mistake or shakiness of the overall picture would be seen way much cleaner than with fast ones.

[@syafikalalala2420]

U guys can watch the original choreo of this song at Lachica official channel!! Actually a real demo look really diff from this..some part got changed..A real demo much more hard and intense..but IVE make it look less hard and intense ..bcuZ ive concept is elegant girl with no hard/intense/powerful choreo..

[@random-lz7kc]

This is called hypocrisy. Fans think that singing is idol's main job so for that ive made their choreography easy so that they can sing live better and not struggle. If you have hard choreography then you will ofc struggle like lesserafim. People will talk about itzy and nmixx but bro don't lie they also struggle. It is probably lily,yeji,kyujin who are stable but they don't sound exactly like the studio version. And for nmixx when lily sings she doesn't even do the choreo properly bcs she knows that she has to sing too. I won't lie itzy members actually struggle a lot while performing. Ofc that is how live music sounds. But you are not ready for it. Ive also isn't a performance based group but vocal and visual based so they should have easy choreo.

[@iagreewithyou3478]

People didn't say they wanted a hard choreo for them lol The choreo was messy, for example, why did Rei have to run from one side to the other. The movements were slow and dainty in parts where the song was strong and upbeat.

[@fearnot_sserafim]

Yes I agree, but I just think the it could have been a bit more catchy?

[@luvurmind]

SAY IT LOUDER 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️

[@farewell-done2412]

I agree. The thought of idols can excel everything and slay hard choreography+live singing with PROPER technique is just delusional

[@XIE1SM]

EXACTLY

[@jennisites]

Hope their will be good choreography for their 2nd title track accendio

[@Omgits7ito]

Yes. I was genuinely shocked pikachu when I saw the full choreo for heya. Which is such a fun song. I’d love to see what other choreographers woulda done with the song

[@aiza4777]

one thing as well is that they could use more footwork! during Rei's part (HEYA) where they stomped their feet, they seemed to love it

[@giuseppepuccio8807]

I don't see the problem in concert in Amsterdam was all perfect for me, love ive ❤

[@multistanhuhue1601]

I wouldn't be too harsh precious choreo was great

[@tiaraart97]

But for Accendio, the choreo is perfect!!

[@sysy3536]

accendio's choreo is worse

[@tiaraart97]

@@sysy3536 but i like

[@ariaflute6588]

I personaly love this dance

[@Sinluvsbnd]

The demo is actually really good

[@andreahl3494]

I've always thought of this for IVE's previous dances after Eleven. Their focus is on visuals and hands rather than on something that feels dynamic to complement their songs. This and After Like were step ups.
Edit: it could also be that they are weak dancers though.

[@xsomili5501]

AGREE. I LOVE heya so much, but the dance choreo is the only flaw. I liked the bridge's and the final chorus's choreo but the other parts + formations + camera angles were all unsuitable and awkward

[@arttrash1536]

Honestly, agree with the Rei part, like why lol

[@sabrinaleedance]

Eleven and Love Dive were great, whatever choreographer they had then they need again. I really think it's a different one.

[@Eunchae_Cherry]

Oh yeah likw in some parts they had a person stand way far away from other members when she wasn't even singing and so yeah they do need a new choreographer bc of also other reasons

[@ourglass488]

I would have to agree with that part, I like some of the choreo

[@PMC08]

So pretty much IVE is playing it safe with the song choices and choreos.

[@haewon_fp]

i agree so much, like at leeseos part there was a dance part that was alsoin wannabe

[@ticklechums]

eleven , love dive , and i am choreos were really good, if she was the one who made those props to her! ❤❤

[@K-sthetics]

I've actually saw the whole choreography of lachica, it was really good and looked fine, but the changes made by starship was the problem. Don't blame lachica or the choreographer, go watch their real choreography

[@TheWafeg]

tbh i think people are exaggerating a little, there's definitely some room for improvement with the formation transitions and excessive reliance on hand movements but overall its a fun choreowith Yujin killing part

[@keysea7676]

Lachica has been giving miss after miss recently with their choreographies... Just look at UNIS' Super woman. The choreography was BORING. Same with Heya

[@ValnirAesling]

Nothing beats CHUNGHAs performa ces on studio choom every frame is perfect

[@user-tz6fr9sq7t]

Same they need one cuz they have so good songs but the dance

[@collinkrempien5571]

I think it looks just fine

[@rileygay1235]

i agree. i noticed it with this comeback the most especially

[@moon_bloom_228]

Someone call Bada Lee or Itzy's choreographer stat!

[@KazeNoYurei]

Well, you can dance to the rhythm or to the lyrics. In this case, it's obvious they chose the lyric yes the beat and rhythm is upbeat but it matches the slow Heya, Heya. So I think it's fine.

[@CaptainElijahAviation]

Song was great, members did a good job but the choreo so simple. I took about 10min or less to learn it and that’s only because I redid it several times

[@tiannacowan6999]

i can agree with most of the choreography but i am OBSESSED with yujin's move in the second(?) verse; where she gets on the ground and moves her chest to the beat of "right no-o-o-ow". i can't stop doing it

[@maegogi]

we love you jiheon!! thank you for feeding us

[@ZDubbed]

I actually always look for the choreo demos after ive releases a comeback, because the og choreo is usually modified to suit the members level. But I always love the demos

[@Jen_nyyy]

Something about their performances always lack energy , and I don’t think it’s the choreography, more like the vibe! Yujin and Gaul are literally the only ones that perform with energy and passion.. and their synchronization is just off! Maybe they need a new choreographer but they need to work on their stamina and synchronization first!

[@Valennnnnt]

Some of the choreo was pretty off but for the most part I liked a lot of it like all of Leeseo’s parts were amazing and she carried this performance (istg Liz had the most lines but this was somehow her most boring place in an era… she shines way more in other eras where she didn’t even have the most lines like Eleven)

[@YoutubeOverTV]

They have dances that don't hinder their singing. This is so great!!! And visually it fits them so well and provides great visuals.

[@scuffedgravyboat]

I don’t know much about choreography but I will say that the one for the chorus in Accendio kinda left me hoping for more

[@sydneestaples545]

Am I crazy, I loved the choreo

[@NooriyahAhmad]

I loved the dance but to each their own

[@JcCrazy135]

Almost every part there looked like watching 5th harmony perform at a mall

[@hhinity]

I like ive even they just stand there doing nothing 😍

[@GG89262]

What dance. I only saw Yujin smiling at me 😂❤

[@Nexav_MLCY]

This is a rare situation bcz they do not blame IVE

[@alex_666_.]

The thing is it’s kinda good and fits the song well!, but why are people complaining about her running in the back when rosé from blackpink had to do a cute silly run in how you like that mv

[@aiza4777]

Putting my preferences aside, the elementary kids loved it tho! Everybody knew the dance and tons of kids immediately went up and danced HEYA for random dance K-pop dance. it's not always a bad thing

[@octoposity]

For me, the problem was the formations. They weren't strong and I kept thinking that some of them were in the wrong place

[@powderyeat782]

Agree i just want to see them using leejung (YG) choreography if their next song is like kitsch or baddie

[@npl4681]

The song too

[@kyuiis]

I think the only memorable and cute part was the touching of each other’s shoulder consecutively

[@kallistique]

I feel this but for Accendio. When I first heard it I was hyped, it's fast, beats were awesome, especially the dance break. Like damn, I was expecting it to be awesome.
Then I saw the choreo and it was super underwhelming. There isn't much singing in the chorus, the choreographers could've made them go out a bit in there, it's the killer part. And then the dance break. It's the climax, but it was mostly hand-waving while looking fiercely at the camera. It was really lacking. I know IVE could've nailed it if they were given a better choreo. Wasted opportunity.

[@sysy3536]

I agree so much. I don't know why people act as if Accendio's choreo was some ground breaking stuff when it's just hand movements that barely fits the song

[@icutiea]

am I the only one that likes the choreography? I saw Rei running in the back to be more of a part in the choreo to give more movement during that part. I love the choreography and found it to be fitting for the song and the group. Since IVE’s concept is more of an elegant type, it would make sense for them to not have quick and energetic movements. Especially when they’re singing such high notes it’ll be easier for the idols to not have an exhausting choreo. But this is just my opinion on the choreography and your free to think however you like :))

[@sowoozoo7]

I honestly would love to see a more energetic choreography for Accendio

[@lilipad_7990]

I do totally agree! I love IVE as a group so much and I´m so exited to see them next month live at their concert. Yet I can´t bring myself to learn most of their choreographies (especially from the latest comeback), cause they are so underwhelming... what a shame