10mm is the Best Millimeter: the Colt Delta Elite
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Colt introduced the Delta Elite in 1987 to take advantage of the hype and publicity surrounding the 10mm Auto cartridge in the Bren Ten pistol. When the Bren Ten became such an ignominious failure, it left Colt in an excellent position as one of the first companies to actually have a viable offering in the caliber. However, the gun never sold particularly well despite its cult following, and it was removed form production in 1996 because of poor sales. It was reintroduced by Coly in 2009 with a few incremental improvements, and remains available today.
Mechanically, the Delta Elite is basically identical to the standard Series 80 1911. It has a polymer guide rod and recoil buffer, along with a set of dual nested recoil springs to handle the more powerful cartridge. It was a reasonable reliably and durable pistol in stock form with stock ammunition, but suffered from reputation problems because of owners who enthusiastically tried to load and shoot the most powerful ammunition they could find, in pursuit of maximum power.
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"cant crack something that isnt there" - Big Brain Think Tank Time at Colt
Good engineers remove material where the Almighty tells them to.
Lol. Kinda like drilling a tiny hole at the end of a crack in a windshield.
@@jacktingle215 The Muse.
@@jacktingle215 Does the full size EAA Tanfoglio polymer frame Witness (Force) 10 have that same slide-rail cracking issue?
It's true, I learnt this in a solid mechanics course during my PhD. Cracks grow because stress is concentrated at the tip. If you make a rounded hole instead, the stress in the material is lower, and the hole does not grow.
"THE CENTIMETER"
The Colt Centi.
The CC.
@@NareshSinghOctagon now that you've seen the BB gun, let us introduce the CC gun
My ex said 1 cm one centimeter wasn't big enough😅 showed her my colt centimeter and it was definitely big enough now! I'm just added to a registry and got it confiscated but hey I'm finally big enough!
That sounds so bad ass lol
I somehow acquired this actual gun in the video. Love it for my collection.
Congratulations, I'm looking for the 10mm link less
Small world, i guess
You bought it
Can you build me a curved plywood gun? Or at least some car parts? I could use a laquered diffuser in birch and a 9-ply skateboard in alternating woods. ;-)
Do you shoot it?
"It cracked there. So let's just cut out that section, then it can't crack there."
Not gonna lie, that sounds like a no-shit, live-action, real-world version of the "Modern problems require modern solutions" meme. I'm so glad it actually worked out in this case
Actually it's a widely used engineering solution, it changes the stress distribution. If you do it correctly the stress concentrations will be on areas better able to take the stress. In fact it's more effective than reinforcing a section in alot of applications as the reinforcement often leads to a greater stress concentration in the reinforced sections.
Nice to know I'm not the only one that thought this.
whoever invented engineering was a wild man
@@deathtdowAbsolutely correct. We can now achieve that relatively easily with computer simulations, as well being able to use generative designs so that such stress concentrations do not happen in the first place (see Czinger 21c for an example).
In the past though, it took a lot of imagination and priceless years of experience to be able to roughly visualize stress distributions. Those people were the aerodynamicists of the mechanical world. Some people can see air, others can see stress distribution.
But even today, people with mechanical engineering degrees, people who should know better, some still believe that a solid, homogenous piece of metal (for whatever purpose) will always be better than one with holes or otherwise removed material. To that I always give the example of engine conrods. By removing material at the bottom center of the beam, the load will be much more evenly distributed to the big end bearing, rather than having most of the load going right to the middle of it (see Cosworth CA2010 F1 conrod for a great example).
Nigel Tufnel,the lead guitarist for Spinal Tap actually has one in 11MM.
44 mag Is 11mm
Don't even point at it!
the best line in that movie came from the manager...."FUCK THE NAPKIN!" lol
I have one in 11.25mm! .45ACP, as it’s better known.
5Rounds Rapid i thought .45 was 11.43x23( then wgain idk, learnt this fact off of S.T.A.L.K.E.R lol)
10mm? Anyone missing their Vault-Tec issued firearm?
The side arm like this should of been in a game instead
@@Flaxdosh there is a mod where you can turn all of the 10 mm pistols into the 10ml Delta
the thing was ugly and weak as hell
Wtf kinda 10mm pistol did you guys use? Sure it was ugly, but weak it was not
no, I only have a pistol and an electric prod. unatco better issue me some hardware
This is the ideal 10mm pistol. You may not like it, but this is what peak performance looks like.
MechMK1 I got the reference 🙂 FE
Star MEGASTAR
Sorry but BULLSHIT... as someone who actually runs and uses 10mm the Glock G20 is head and shoulders over this antique. End of story.
Dee-Bee Kooper G20 still hasn’t got enough chamber support to run full house loads.
K Bob aftermarket barrel?
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@@-BuddyGuy very very true
No, the fight just isn't here yet. They do not in any great numbers seek persons or content out. It must be pointed out.
Just wait. The day will come.
@@-BuddyGuy Yep. I'm interested in the engineering and history, less so the shooting.
This channel is relaxing and he goes through the mechanisms and design decisions in a clear and concise manner. No fluff. No annoying music. No begging me to buy stupid apps. Good video and sound quality. Excellent in other words.
LPL falls into that category as well, as does NileRed and many others.
And so memeable
"Thou shall not practise hand cannoneering." - Gun Jesus
n0la Thou.
....but...there 'are' special dispensations...
Going to have to take you all back to Sunday school. Your theology is flawed. Gun Jesus would never forbid hand canoneering. He merely stated that if you were to do it, get a Grizzly or Automag or some such. 1911s should be cherished and respected as the holy relics that they are and fed only proper ammunition.
REMEMBER YE NOT the gospel of Saint John the Browning?? FOR IT IS WRITTEN in the first chapter of his gospel:
1 In the beginning was the 1911, and the 1911 was THE pistol, and it was good. And behold the Lord said, "Thou shalt not muck with my disciple John's design for it is good and it workith. For John made the 1911, and lo all of his weapons, from the designs which I, the Lord, gave him upon the mountain."
2 "And shouldst thou muck with it, and hang all manner of foul implements upon it, and profane its internal parts, thou shalt surely have malfunctions, and in the midst of battle thou shalt surely come to harm."
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very cool history there with the 10mm
The triangle motif is from the Greek letter Delta, I imagine.
Yes, and there was a companion AR-15A2 Delta HBAR rifle fitted with an optic and cheek riser. The rifle had the same medallion affixed to both sides of the A2 pistol grip
Or Bass beer.
Hey, pink used to be a manly color.
Synchronizor Bret Hart wore pink and that's all the evidence I need!
Bobby Newmark yes it is.
I bought my Delta Elite in ‘93. Best damn hand gun I own! I’ve got 1911 40’s & 45’s but nothing compares to the accuracy of my 10 using 180 grain hp’s. It is well balanced and with custom grips fits the hand perfect. If you’re looking for a great 10, I highly recommend the Colt Delta Elite.
I remember being at the local store a few years after the 10mm was introduced and somebody was inquiring about a Delta Elite, the person behind the counter pulled out three damaged Elites that had been brought in for repairs. They were surprised that the "1911 platform" couldn't handle the load as it was considered a pretty tough gun. "It just can't handle the pressure." I kept talking to the guy because we had briefly met previously and spend an hour or two talking about guns, I'll mention this to him tonight as he's been a good friend over the years.
Colt doesn't make any 1911s with cast slides or frames; who's "they"?
First gun that I ever saw blow up was Delta Elite using factory ammunition. A chunk of the slide missed my face by inches. The guy standing next to me shooting it was not hurt, thankfully. I avoided buying a 10mm for years after that. When I did, I purchased a Glock 20. It KB’d in my hand with less than 200 rounds through it. I gave up on the 10mm and just stick with my .44 Mag revolver if I ever need to stop a T-Rex hiding behind the ‘fridge. BTW - the Glock incident was due to a case blowout. The Glock was repaired on site and was shooting in less than 15 minutes. I was impressed. I later modified that Glock with a new barrel giving better support to the cartridge, a heavier spring and guide rod, and titanium pins. The guy that got it has one heck of a nice pistol. My inability to use it afterwards was mental and not the fault of the pistol. Also, the round that blew was a very moderate load. The case had been over stressed by resizing due to the excessive bulging with the unsupported chamber. The length of the bulge also indicated that the case was still under a good deal of pressure while extracting. This was combined with that ammunition manufacturer being known for having pretty hard brass in the first place. Fired cases using the new barrel had 2/3 less expansion than with the original barrel. In case anyone wonders, I spent most of my 35 year career in the nuclear industry performing equipment failure analysis, so I am pretty sure of the failure cause.
No, they do not cast the slide or the frame.
@Matthew Caughey ha! Internet bs.
Added 24 pound recoil spring to mine. No problems in firing 135 to 200 grains
.try brownells
That thing is badass. Still looking sharp and tactical 30yrs later.
"Hand cannoneering" is officially my favorite phrase.
The Delta Gold Cup has a skeletonized trigger and fully adjustable rear sight. Some magazines have the delta elite logo. Colt also made a scarce number of Delta HBAR rifles with a plastic cheek riser, ruberized scope on the carry handle and the emblem in the grips. Rumor has it there was also a Delta elite knife.
You can't get a crack if you have nothing to crack there... Now that is a logic sounds like something from the Simpsons.
haha, yeah, really the idea is to let the frame bend a few thousandths of an inch and be totally operable than have a crack and render the gun useless, but it does sound pretty goofy at first blush.
It’s more or less the same principal as a expansion joint on pipe
It just works, Todd Howard
Similar to the fix, the best way to stop a crack is to drill a tiny hole at the end of the crack.
Stops the crack from progressing and will probably permanently protect the part as the concentrated stress point is gone.
Speedholes
More of a shooting the Gordian Knot logic
the technical term for engineering "margin of error" (6:20) is factor of safety. Fun to say, and speaks to the nerds in your audience. Always enjoy your disassembly and evaluation, keep up the great work
10mm has a "colt" following eh eh ok I'll leave
Cult colt ya not much difference, mines a glock though..........
It does have a lot of horse power...
Zach Brummett get out
That's punny
I hate you for using that pun
"10mm is the best millimetre." -Fallout fans
Real Fallout fans know the best is 14mm.
@@boredgunner nono 5mm ;)
@@boredgunner /hug you know it! :)
As usual, you are all wrong. The
Abilene Kid BB gun is the best.
@@lorddata2472 *proceeds to pull out bean bag ammunition*
Thanks for the memories. I was a teen gun aficianodo working in a local gun / sporting goods store in 1987. I still remember being starry eyed as I opened the box on the first Delta Elite that the store received.
10mm, also known as 9mmn't
Im not a fan of the slow bigger calibers. I like speed + multiplicity. The bigger my wall of rain is the better I can pin my opponent down while directly advancing in on them. Im not not done till I collapse that skull like an empty bag.
Noneshere yeah, except the average 10mm goes almost 500 feet per second faster than 9mm. You're a moron.
aliven't meme
Some One that's a badn't one
Noneshere r/iamverybadass
Lol, "hand cannoneering" brings back memories. My dad had a Ruger .41 magnum and used to always load his rounds right to the edge. As a kid we had a Ruger Single Six .22 to learn on and occasionally dad would let us fire a few out of the .41... The roar and recoil was something to behold. When I took over the reloading equipment when he got older, I made some middle of the road rounds. He agreed they were much more pleasant to shoot and he said "yea I always had to tighten the screws back down after shooting the full loads..."
Did Dad have one in .30 carbine as well? I read somewhere that .30 carbine could be hand loaded for a Ruger 6 gun to levels comparable to .30 30.
I Love my Delta Elites. Something about the .10mm always appealed to me. I also have a Super Elite in .38Super and a Colt Custom Shop Combat Elite in .9x23mmWin. Great video as always Ian.
Please don't put decimal points Infront of metric calibers
5.56mm ok
.9mm not ok
Love this pistol. The frame, accuracy, and cartridge size are a perfect mix for me. Recoil is quite noticeable though haha.
Moving and retiring in Arizona from New York was the second best decision in my life the first is a tie between buying a stainless Delta Elite and my divorce.
hahahahahahahaha....
.. No wonder you got divorced. pathetic incel.
runninggames771 ...what?
@@runninggames771 absolute cringe
@@runninggames771 Dude was married, how the hell is he an "incel"?
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Thanks for the great video. Love your vids and this particular subject.
Those slide rail cutouts remind me of how guys would stopdrill cracks in early .45 Commanders... I've seen a lot of slide stop holes with hairline fractures in the "Coltalloy."
The 1911 was not engineered around lightweight alloys or high pressure cartridges. It beats itself up.
In the defense of the commanders, they were designed for 1950’s/60’s era 9mm. Not modern day self defense ammo.
10mm is absolutely less prominent as a carrtridge size compared to 9mm or .38 when it comes to pistols. Untill a couple of years ago I did not even know it existed. Packing higher firepower in a frame that is not exactly made for it and then gowing for a bigger boom is definately risky but I can see the appeal just to have a big sidearm you can fire so often.
Also handcannoneering sounds like an awesome hobby to have.
Fans of cyberpunk literature have known about it for decades, Fallout added to the popularity, but FO3 just merely extended that a bit further.
Charles Lee Ray me too
fbi had 10 mil mp5 in real life
Yeah me too. I dindnt know that they existed up until now :D
Yeah, and the starter pistol in Fallout 3 was also chambered in 10mm.
6:15 " Absolute Atomic Loaded uh 10mm Auto" this is why I love you
Thank you! Excellent information was looking to get this Delta Elite.
This was my first handgun. Got it 37 years ago. Other than Colt custom shop grips, it is still in stock form today. Carried it a ton. Very accurate and easy to shoot well.
Bought mine in 87 stainless.
Dude, bought my Gold Cup National Match thirty-five years ago at a sporting goods shop on my way home from work. I just got a Bianchi Agent holster like I had forty years ago. The delta logo is definitely cool…badasss. I had a Glock 20 also and that was nice, but the Colt is slim and when you feel it you know.
For some strange reason UA-cam recommended me Jan Hammer: Crockett's Theme next.
10mm CDE, my dream gun from the 80s.
I bought my DE new in 1987. A minor correction-mine came with a magazine with traditional welded construction and it only holds seven rounds. I subsequently bought a later factory magazine with removable follower, as seen in this video, and it holds eight rounds. I don’t think anybody makes a nine-round magazine.
The Delta Elite is simply awesome. I load mine with original-spec handloads, not the watered-down .40 S&W stuff that became popular for awhile, nor do I try to increase power beyond design limitations. I use a Wilson Shok-buff system with full-length guide rod, and just had to replace a buffer for the first time as the original one disintegrated (after 30 years and about 2000-2500 rounds).
Factory ammo varies widely in terms of power, so shop wisely to make sure you don’t wind up with a weak sister .40 S&W in your holster!
576103 Nice. Good handloaders know the best load is seldom the hottest.
576103
Wilson Combat Magazine, holds 9 rounds.
Works flawlessly with 9 rds in magazine, one in chamber of my Rock Island Armory 1911-A1 10mm single stack.
I've had a Delta Elite since 1992. Had it satin hard chromed back then and have always loved it. I haven't shot it recently as I fell out of regular shooting and reloading for some time but will be getting back into it in the next couple of years as kids are growing up and I have some more time and disposable income.
I am short, only 5'4", and a single stack with slim grips and a reduced length trigger fits my hand perfectly allowing me to have a proper grip and therefore control. One thing I added back in the dark ages was a HARRTS Recoil Reducer. This is a full length guide rod with tungsten ball bearings and liquid mercury inside. When firing the mass concentrates at the end and has a notable impact on felt recoil.
They haven't been around for decades but I have always loved it.
I dropped a Wilson combat beaver tail in mine and it is an amazing difference. Stock tail was way to much bite. Very pleased with the simple upgrade.
You can't go more metric than this...
Unless it's naval 1000mm gun!
Are there any ships that actually have meter guns?
@@exratic5908 the Germans produced a couple of 800mm+ railway guns, using two parallel tracks. Used at Sevastopol
I like my 12.7 too
All the mainland European naval guns were made as metrics, like the German 380mm guns on the Bismarck, tirpitz, gneisenau. The French did the same think with the 380mm guns on the Jean Bart. 380mm is equal to roughly 15 inch guns, so actually smaller than the American guns of the time, even though everyone claimed the Bismarck was some scary monster. The only reason the British had such problems with it was because they hadn't caught up with the U.S. on naval technology, in both battleships and carriers.
@@danielburnette9552 False.
They had such trouble with the Bismarck because they fought it with a Battleship that was unfinished and a Battleship that was outdated and hadn't been modernised.
I used to own one. Had to sell it years ago to pay bills. But it is my favorite pistol. I was never more accurate than with that pistol. I love that gun. Thanks for the video.
Nice job on the video. It was detailed and I learned some things I didn't know about the Delta Elite. My experience with my stainless model purchased in 1991 was not very good. Just taking the gun apart and looking inside the slide, tooling marks and sharp edges were visible. The trigger was very gritty feeling out of the box which was due to tooling marks on the working face of the sear. The gun was never what I would consider reliable. Out of the box, it would have a FTF around once per mag. When I finally got rid of it, it was down to about one failure per box of 50 rounds (after lots of work). That's with factory ammo, many different reloads (light to heavy loads with light to heavy bullets), recoil springs, etc. I finally ended up with a sig p229 (.357 sig) for about the same money and never looked back. Granted, this is just one data point. I'm sure others had better experiences than I did.
I love my Ruger Super Redhawk in 10mm with a 6.5 inch barrel. If Ruger comes out with an SR10 pistol and the PC Carbine in 10mm you would see a super hot market. I have the Ruger SR9 and two SR9Cs that I teamed up with the Ruger PC 9 Carbine - a super rifle and pistol match-up.
Thanks for another great video.
#FirepowerFriday
Mornin'!
That's funny. It finds different things on Instagram.
It honestly amazes me that the rock island social media managers have such a great sense of humor
That's a really interesting piece of design info about that frame cracking...
I've got a older 10mm delta elite. Never been fired as of yet.
GREAT PROGRAM thanks...........
I had one of these back in the day. Frame cracked on me and I've been leery of 10mm 1911s ever since. I do have a steel framed 10mm pistol, it's a EAA Witness. All that aside, 10mm is best mm.
EAA Witness is a good budget handgun to begin with, coming in 10mm Auto is a major plus.
Didn't the EAA have issues with cracking the frame as well?
Welp, TIL. I'd never heard of a Witness frame cracking before, but evidently there was a run of frames that were cast differently than the normal square blocky style. From what I've read it was a short term thing as Tanfoglio went back to the square style frame castings which solved the issue. At any rate, I've had mine for a few years now and I've put god knows how many rounds through it. No issues with the frame, and it's still more accurate than I am.
sailingmaster
I agree, until they make an 11mm.
Right? 😎
I personally think 7.62mm is the best mm, not sure why though.
I would love to have one of these... not to shoot, just to mount on my wall and look at lol. The 1911 is such a beautiful gun.
I got one for a steal at $400 a couple years ago. I believe it's a 1st Gen though, haven't shot it yet.
Just get a 1911 in .45ACP. No need to seek out such an obscure chambering.
@Andre McGoo I have no problem with 10mm, but Amehdion said they wanted a 1911 just to have on the wall and admire. Seems sensible to me then to just get a relatively inexpensive modern 1911 in .45 rather than seeking out one specifically in 10mm.
No need to put words in my mouth that I never uttered - I'm all in favor of having a variety of different handgun cartridges on the market.
I think the 1911 is pretty ugly, unless it's fancied up like this, the grizzly, or a subcompact model. A tinkered, specialized design is always interesting to me
Hey Ian, I've got one of those that I had to modify due to the recoil system. The recoil spring buffer was cracked and the recoil springs were shot. I contacted colt and they said to put a gold cup spring in it. I also put a Wilson Combat recoil spring buffer. Now it's fine and is much better then the stock guns.
Another great video..I remember a bright stainless version when I was too young to buy one - wish they would bring that finish and that gun back
Back in the late 1970's I had a Colt Government in 38 super that I really loved. When hand loaded to it's hotter levels it was on par with some of the factory loaded .357's and comparing it to a .357 wheel gun I had was much easier to control especially in rapid fire keeping it on target. I would usually load it to 1400 -1500 fps and experienced no to little cratering of the primers.
Some of the older calibres have been forgotten because they are not fashionable..people love reinventing the wheel....6.5x54 is a good rifle round, just an archaic type...
Why didn't they radius those inside corners to reduce stress risers even more?
thanks for all the interesting content!
Excellent content, thank you !!
Back in the 1980’s and early 90’s I had five 10 mm, three were some form of Delta Elite, two versions if the standard model, one stainless and one blued, one stainless Delta Elite Gold Cup. Of all the autoloading handguns I’ve had, they were the most accurate I’ve ever owned or shot, especially as three were equipped with target sights.
As they were primarily target guns (handgun silhouette) the accuracy as well as the flatter shooting cartridge made them really pleasurable guns to shoot. Regardless what people think, a large majority of people won’t shoot a magazine of 10 mm - they find it too much. In this regard, the 10 mm is like it’s like a magnum, most S&W 29’s have not been shot a full cylinder of full-house factory loads.
Although Ian did reference the 200/1200 loading of the first Norma factory 10mm loads, this load is still ASTM standard load and multiple manufacturers stand behind that loading. It does recoil harder than a 40 S&W loading, which is why the FBI developed the lighter load.
About the 10mm - this really is a viable 100 yard cartridge with lower bullet drop and retained energies well over, say the full load 9 mm.
The biggest difference in effectiveness in handgun loadings today over as recent as the 1980’s is bullet designs of today, allowing for superior performance than bullets before, hence the reliance on the 9mm today. Plus most people are more recoil sensitive, finding shooting a 10 mm less pleasant to shoot.
All this. I would add, the 10mm Auto cartridge was developed with the performance of 357magnum and 41magnum in mind, but in a smaller semiauto service pistol case. With factory 357 being ~500ft-lbs and 41mag at around 700ft-lbs, 10mmAuto was initially loaded for ~600ft-lbs. I think the stoutest 200gr handload I've seen listed in a manual was supposed to run 1250fps (close to 700ft-lbs).
It's not really surprising that full power 10mmAuto is more of a niche load these days. When it came on the scene, .357magnum had been around for 50years and yet most police departments were still standardized on the 38spl for their wheel guns and transitioning to 9mmPara for semiautos. Pretty much every complaint that would be levied on 10mmAuto had been addressed against 357magnum (and 41mag) decades earlier.
I was an early adopter of the Glock 20 and its large grip isn't for everyone, but it delivers it's recoil IMO in a much more pleasant and controllable way than a K Frame 357. Firing uncompensated Deltas reminded me more of my 2-1/2" bbl model 19 with compact grips than I liked. I never really considered stock Deltas to be a good fit for full power 10mmAuto.
molochi; from being told of the development, Cooper was first looking at a super 9mm, and was an aficionado over the 38 Super (before it was adopted by IPSC shooters to make “Major Power Factor”) they found out the cake heads blew out with loads that approximated the lighter bullet weight .357 loads, so Cooper and Maj. George Nonte developed a wildcat fitting a Colt Commander using a cut down .223 case loaded with 110 grain .357 bullets. According to what I’ve been told and researched, the idea of getting an upgrade to bullet weight and velocity developed into a wildcat using a 38-40 case, with the rim cut down and an extractor groove cut to allow case extraction. Someone had contacts with Norma, who based upon a target bullet weight/velocity spec, which initially was a 200 gr. bullet at 1250 FPS and 140 bullet at 1350. Both were relatively hot and some people had problems with the recoil. I don’t recall an attempt to approximate the 41 magnum, but that both rounds kinda fell in a Sweet Spot.
I never had problems with recoil, as I wasn’t trying combat shooting, just hunting and silhouette shooting, both endeavors where doing mag dumps are not the norm.
Additionally, during the development of the modern pistol technique, at about the same time, the most common shooting technique was the Weaver technique which incorporated recoil management, unlike today’s Isosceles technique.
BTW, I owned and tried the original Mag-N-Port (the original modern porting) and disliked it greatly, as IMO all ported barrels are exceedingly loud and obnoxious, and if shot prone or supported, increased muzzle blast obnoxiously as well.
Heh, when I started shooting I preferred weaver, still do really. What really got me into 10mmAuto fandom was that I was shooting IPSC with an unported glock17L but they (the local organizers) wouldn't accept 9mm loaded up to major PF. At the time I could afford a glock20 but not a decent 1911 and the 21 wasn't out yet. Also, at the time I was bowhunting pigs and it was legal to carry a 10mmAuto during deerseason. It made for a comforting backup.
The Delta Elite was my first 10mm. I now have 10 10mms.
adrianspeeder heck, that's a whole decimeter!
Which ones and favorite(s)?
not 11 mac-11?
“I got 8 .38s, 9 9s, 10 mac10s.”-B.I.G.
How did that work out for you after a few thousand rounds?
Another adjustment that can be made to help with recoil is a minimally radiused firing pin stop. Most firing pin stops have an aggressive radius to allow easy racking. By only marginally breaking the corner of the stop so it is not completely square and thus a shear, it takes more for for the slide to come back and helps felt recoil.
I bought a new Delta Elite stainless about 2014/15 but immediately ordered a “SpringCo” recoil guide rod and installed it. This device has very stiff internal springs that catch the slide just before it impacts the frame. Works like a charm and I can handload rounds to any recipe I like without worrying about my pistol frame. Now, by stating that, I do NOT mean I over-power any loads beyond those clearly listed in my loading manuals, of which I have about 10. I stick to the load as listed, being very careful to use the same projectile & primer, exactly. Primer power varies greatly in some brands, so if you’re going to load 10mm’s hot, stick to maximum powder weights but work them up gradually. There are old reloaders (me), and there are bold reloaders, but there aren’t any old, bold reloaders! 😉
I've always been a fan of the 1911, they may be over 100 years old but the design is tried and tested, nothing fancy it just works, and it's always interesting to see these variants in different calibres
The 1911 is a tried and true masterpiece
Win millimeter
BS your not winning with 850fps. Smaller calibers hold + release more faster. Id rather make it rain then launch baseballs
Noneshere
But 10mm isn't doing 850 fps. It's usually going about 1200 fps, regularly more, so I don't know where you get the idea of it being a big, slow projectile.
@@five5105 The speed comes at a huge cost, though. 10mm handguns often begin to malfunction well before 9mm and 45acp because of the intense stress that cartridge puts on gun parts.
@@strongside4565 Who cares? Gun just go boom boom.
Hammer forged frame sweetness. Love these pieces.
I've wanted a video on this gun for so long
And if you want more, go for the 460 rowland conversion
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the best way to tame Colt 10 mm Delta Elite, is with a 6-inch barrel and slide... shoulder holster carry.
Beautiful gun, nice review. There were several initial Norma loads, with the best being a 170gr @ 1300fps. It didn't open much and pentr. to 17+ inches. I get the same from SOTA Ranger 180gr @ 1050+ fps, from my G22. As I've said, performance wise 10/40 can be the same, when U know!
I love my DE. I have an original version built in 1989. The full power 10mm Auto cartridges are a handful even out of a full frame 1911.
Man that looks so nice, I want it!
Yo whats up Salokin!
I love my Colt delta Elite 10mm shot pin matches and swinging plats, matches bought it for my wife, never had a jam or malfunction, and very manageable recoil, I called it my king of pins
How many rounds through it and have you shot the really hot rounds too?
@@sctm81 I really don’t know how many rounds I have shot through it,I reload my own,I do 300 at a time as at the time that’s all the brass I could find, no loaded rounds,had to wait 6 weeks to get it when it first came out, 7 years of match shooting, and 20 or so just plinking at my country place,wore out the recoil bushing rubber bushing the gun smith said he had never Sean one wear our, I said I shoot a lot
@@davidanderson3999 nice. I guess just like a hot rod it can take some boost but there just is more wear and tear the higher you go.
I love my early stainless delta elite.Ive always been told to run spec ammo on it and have no problems.
I had a Delta Gold Cup when I lived in Florida years ago. I needed money to move back to Maine, so it got sold. Was one of the best guns I've ever owned.
I like how Colt had to make a conversion before they bothered addressing an issue with 1911's that had been known for how long at that point, 70 years?
Delta elite is such a bad ass name for a pistol
Just came across one of these in the wild the other day. Didn’t get a chance to shoot it but was still pretty cool to handle.
You can actually feed these things from standard .45 ACP mags. My 1990 Delta ocassionally fails to hold open on empty, but switching to the .45 mags makes it hold open every time. Glad to see this vid!
I can't wait for old man Ian to show us some STI 19/2011's in the future.
“Hand Cannoneering” I belly laughed
I've been waiting so long for this video...!
I recently got ahold of a 89 Delta elete and I love it
This channel makes me want to buy a gun now
Now? You mean buy another gun, right?
Jeremiah90526 yes indeed
Whew, I was scared for a second there that you might not have some protection at home. 10mm is best caliber, so it is a good idea to get one. I am still waiting for the Hudson H10 to get into 10mm though.
@@Jeremiah90526 Ugh, Americans and their pRoTeCtIoN. Many other countries don't have guns and do just fine. There is no need for "pRoTeCtIoN".
@@heavypupper1219 Wtf are you talking about st*pid boy
Ian:
Those better features on the new Delta Elite's: is a better steel alloy for the frame one of them?
Also, do you know if 460 Rowland conversions also have cracking or breakage issues?
The original .460 Rowland conversions depended upon the extra mass of a muzzle brake compensator threaded to the barrel. The action of the escaping high-pressure gas also delays unlocking. I wouldn't trust the current conversions that only have a ported barrel, and I'd be leery of any muzzle break without baffles unless it is threaded to a coned/heavy profile barrel.
Jack Wagon,
Follow Rowland's specs as to which models to use and you shouldn't experience any cracked frames. Some 1911s will crack which is why they have their model list.
I have a delta elite and i love it (the original production model)
I was always a little distrustful of a Kimber 10mm I had got years ago, it was developed in the middle of the '10mm is .40S&W long now' phase. When the beefy Sig P220 10mm came out, I jumped on it - it seems it was purpose built for running hotter ammo through it.
"If you want to go hand-cannoneering, perhaps the 10mm isn't the best option for you".
*Laughs in Glock 20*
Sad Glock 40 noises.
Laughs even louder in tanfoglio gold match.
I'd love to see a video on a Mateba.
It occurs to me that the Delta reboot lasted from 2008-2016. Original production ran from 1988-1996. Almost the same amount of time, 20 years later. Then Colt gave the Delta the XSE treatment and production of the old school Delta Elite ended. Mine is from the 2009-2016 production and other than a different texture on the Pachmyrs is identical in every way to the original guns. And I’m so glad I managed to snag one in that configuration-I wanted one while they were in original production and kept getting talked out of it by acquaintances and shooting enthusiasts because 10mm wasn’t as easy to find back then. This time, I took the plunge and I’m glad I did.
I’ve owned a “Combat Delta Elite” since around 1990. This version has a duo-tone finish. Unfortunately I installed a solid guide rod, flared mage well, ambi-safety, aftermarket mainspring housing, beaver tail grip safety, Pachmayer slide stop and aftermarket grip panels. I wish I had saved the take-off parts. Live and learn. I’ve probably sent in excess of 2,000 rounds down the tube over the years without issue.
10MM ATOM POWAAAAAAH!!!!!!!
Man the fan base behind this cartridge is crazy XD
Standard Colt 10mm magazine capacity is 8 rounds, not 9. Metalform made some 9 round mags with a different follower. Wilson Combat made a 9 round mag, and Chip McCormick / Shooting Star made a 9 round mag.
My paintball pistol is from the same Era as this gun, has that little Red upside-down Triangle Delta logo, it's called the Delta .68 and looks like the terminator's colt long slide
What an awesome looking gun
A lot of 10mm videos coming out lately, makes me think something's going to be released in that soon
"...but these go up to 11.25." Spinal double Tap
Did I miss the Wildey video you said you were making in the backup pistol competition video? I’ve always been fascinated with Wildey pistols, so I’m really looking forward to seeing that video!
Got my first 10 in '88. Don't have that one but did accumulate 9 more in various makes, Colt, Glock, S&W 1006 including a 610, and Kimber.
Hi Iain, just fyi you mispelled Colt in the last sentence of the first paragraph
Gorgeous piece. If only there was a (visual) equivalent of the 10mm Zenith out of Deus Ex Human Revolution when fully kitted out
You've excellent taste in firearms and video games, Mamiya645.
How can I keep claiming I'm not a gun-nut when you keep showing such awesome guns?
Good video. Thanks.
I’ve been contemplating buying a 1 centimeter. Now that ammo is becoming more available and cheaper.
Underrated comment
@thatonescrambler except 5 years later, ammo is not cheaper. Especially for 10mm.
@@baconatordoom eh if i was worried about the price i wouldn't like expensive things
its a 1911 on steroids but i would much rather have a Colt 10 mm than something as useless as a S&W 500 or Desert Eagle 50.
tell that to people who actually shoot .50 AE accurately
@@davidpriester7240 Cool Ill send you a Scooby snack
@@davidpriester7240 why would you want a pistol that shoots 50ae? 10mm kicks like crazy and 50ae is even more inaccurate. Especially if you use anything thats not a desert eagle(aka anything that is smaller than 2 bricks).
@@stompingpeak2043 It is a handgun cartridge after all. It was not created with the most intense accuracy or range in mind. Im likely going to be purchasing a CMMG Banshee 300 series chambered in 10mm. Ar pistol chambered in 10 mm with an 8 inch barrel, surely to make it slightly more accurate to an extent, however, it is a handgun cartridge and the effective range is obviously going to be much much less than 5.56 or 7.62 x 39mm
@@davidpriester7240 you made my point. Smaller rounds are just as good(and better in most ways since you can easily get follow up shots)
This guy sure gets around. Good ole Ian
I've been wanting to add a 10mm to my collection. Ive been debating between a Delta Elite and a Tangfolio Whitness. I kinda want the Colt just because it's a Colt but the CZ design is excellent and Tangfolio is one of the best CZ clones on the market.
Very tactical name, it increases accuracy when shooting in underground facilities of blockbuster villains