Those of you complaining that this isn't Chopin, or that he's not following the score, clearly didn't see the big bold text at the top of the first page that says "Presto con fuoco".
If you read Huneker's book about Chopin, it's clear that there's considerable controversy regarding certain performance aspects of Chopin's work. What is more important than the score is how the performance affects the listener. I think this is what Argerich was getting at when she disagreed with the jury.
@@retrogamerdave362 argerich played this scherzo better and more musically this is just showing off his octaves but not music. She fancied him that's why she walked out
@@ciararespect4296 when I listen to Porgorelich's CD of the four scherzos, it seems clear to me that all of his interpretive choices were made for musical reasons, and not to show off. What is more remarkable to me is that the choices were consistent from how he played in the competition and on the record. I don't know how you figure that Argerich "fancied him" but I would be eager to hear the details for how you arrived at that conclusion
Every time I read a comment stating that music should be played "properly" I start laughing. You can call me an ignorant, I am not a musicologist , but I'll tell you something: when I hear somebody playing I don't focus on so-called correctness, I search for the ability to put life in music, to make it intriguing and lively. Passion is what makes Chopin's works beautiful - and I haven't seen more passionate performance than this one.
Yeah it is about energy. This composition is used to play as something brilliant but quite shallow. He played as it was Beethoven's 9th Symphony on sterodis concentrated to eight minutes of piano music, but still very controlled and cultivated manner, fitting to the romantic style. It is not contradiction of Chopin's work, it is even not evolution of Chopin's work, it is focusing on the core of his music. Some people just can't stand such bright light and such energy, without all that cliché cumuated and repeated over and over. On the other hand, this performance is somehow sick. Chopin as a personality was a destroyed man and this interpretation is not healthy either. Nobody can't put such amount of energy in the piano music without destroying himself . Pogorelich was remarkable pianinst with quite short career, it is the sad aspect of his personality.
@@blaht15 "Fully agree, although one shouldn't exaggerate." Arturo Toscanini Quote: “If you want to please the critics, don't play too loud, too soft, too fast, too slow.” So yes and no. One shouldn't exaggerate WITHOUT A REASON. Now we can discuss if Pogorelich had a reason. Was he only provoking judges and critics on the most famous international piano competition? Was he only showing off his technical skills ? Or was he trying new artistic approach to this particualar piano composition which desperatelly needed fresh interpretation ? Martha said Pogorelich was a genius and she was right. Nobody except genius could do this and get something new, unheard and working so well. Time proved Pogorelich and Martha were right. Nobody remembers winner of that year except he was the one, who didn't play too loud, too soft, too fast, too slow. Now Pogorelich ended his professional career as a pianist, partly because of the health problems, partly because of critics who are not competent nowadays as they were not competent at Toscanini's time. Pogorelich dared to hurt them so much and he won - because he was a genius and achieved this. But he was not alone. Martha was genius as well because she recognized geniality of this interpretation. And Chopin was genius because his composition was strong enough to endure such interpretation. It was the same feeling like taking filigree gold goblet, fill it with dynamite and deliberatelly detonate in the concert hall, calling it music. I liked it very much, not because of the idea itself, which is porbably sick, but because it was done with the touch of music genius.
I was privileged to see Pogorelich five times at the height of his powers and to this day there's never been another pianist who comes close to his electrifying style and intensity on stage. I still can't watch this without bursting into applause at the end.
one of the best playings of scherzo 3 ever...theres only a handful of pianists that can play this song right---it requires speed, technical perfection, and interpretive passion...and pogorelich nails it...
No risk, no gain. Maybe the greatest performance of Chopin on UA-cam. Pogorelich is a genius.He takes it to the limit and beyond, and he understands this music better than anyone, including Kissin and Zimerman. The legerity and the power are both stunning. I was lucky enough to see him several times, but this competition performance really shows what he's built of. Ivo. Always.
+ghostwriter11 I wouldn't say he understands it better- but he understands it differently and that is what makes him great (plus his amazing technique)but he has the boldness to take the music where others don't dare to venture.
Ghostwriter11 totally correct! I saw him every year in NY from 1983 to 1997 and he changed my musical life…. Zimerman, Kissin ?? Excellent world class artists but not life changing epochal geniuses like Pogorelich!
@@jimkost2002 yes life changing.... I can't describe other than depth of his music, how deeply your soul can be grabbed and start to vibrating! I listened him two weeks ago in Belgium it was truly magical, his play is still going on in me....
This guy taught me piano in the last century, wonder what he is up to these days... It's amazing to see comments on youtube, some 30 years later some people think this is the best Chopin they have ever heard. I recall that the performance at the competition caused quite a ripple. Shame in my teenage wisdom I didn't appreciate the amazing talent to learn from.
I personally believe Pogorelich to be one of the greatest pianists of all time. He is a composer's pianist - by that I mean he plays music from the inside out with an innate understanding of the inner voice and measured workings of music. This is extraordinary playing from one whose musical mind is so powerful and expansive. He is the Nureyev of the piano!
I love his playing. As a formerly injured pianist I recognize motions that caused my injury. I hope he never has to suffer from this and is one of the lucky ones.
This is a great example of how incredible the different roles are of both composer and virtuoso. Ivo has a fantastically unique interpretation, that compliments Chopin's intentions with interpretation. In the same way that Shakespeare didn't mean his lines to be read, but acted. He should have won this competition. Perhaps this is why the judge walked out of the competition after hearing he didn't win. Probably the finest Chopin virtuoso of all time. We need more Ivo.
Unfortunately, geniuses like him don't win piano competitions ... Unsurprisingly, they are highly divisive figures: as such, they will offend a number of jurors (e.g. Louis Kentner, who was upset that he made it past the first round while his own pupils got eliminated), who will characterize him as the *worst*, while others (like Martha Argerich) will characterize him as the *best* (she stormed out of the hall in protest over his elimination from the finals).
Argerich still plays the best scherzo 3, and all Chopin scherzos for that matter. This was a good performance however. I started off concerned as even the best pianists love to rush this piece and his tempo started very fast. It was surprisingly clear and he slowed down the important moments.
A little late to the party here, but ... love Ivo. This is the exact frenzy I imagine was in the head of Chopin. Ivo's tone on the soft parts is superb too. He rattles off arpeggios at a whisper. That isn't just a good shift pedal and hammer voicing there... it's control. Amazing.
This man's love of music really shows in the way he lingers over every note, invoking the singing qualities of the piano. Even the faster passages have so much nuance! This is how Chopin should be played - sensual passion tempered by intellectually probing objectivity.
I admire him for making this on a competition - guarding vigorously his conception in front of the cliché-liking jury playing with no pedal as a technique to increase the effect of the really deep moments,... great!
If someone like Martha Argerich consider Pogorelich to have a place among the finalists of that competition, I think nobody cares about the opinion of those haters who like to think themselves as critics. Pogorelich has passion. I think Chopin prime intention (not only that, of course) of all his work is exactly that: PASSION.
Ivo portrayed the most important essence in music, the soul, the heart of the composer, and he became IT. I think that one should see beyond what’s written in the score. I don’t want to be disrespectful to composers. But again, what’s more disrespectful? Playing safe with a mediocre interpretation and audience forget about the performance as they leave the concert hall? or taking a risk while standing tall in what you believe in? I believe in the latter. I remember watching a documentary where Ivo said he’s interested in knowing what inspired composers to write their works, what was before the creation of work? What provoked them to write this music? For sure, he sees more than crescendo and decrescendo. He’s a true artist!
Watching these early clips of Pogorelich, you can see how competition judges might be unnerved by him ..... and why Martha Argerich would call him a genius. The young Pogorelich was an absolute gem.
His recording of Gaspard de la Nuit and Prokofiev 6 from 1983 is one of the greatest discs I’ve ever owned, and for exactly these qualities: dark, powerful, and exhilarating!
Ohh...I saw him live preforming in Croatia(Country of his birth) in capital city Zagreb. On 12.3.2011.He is still awesome, after 30 years, there is still something in him. With his talent, he excite everyone else, and give us an opportunity to enjoy in MUSIC. Pogorelić we love you, and your AWESOME playing!!!
Ivo Pogorelich was born in Belgrade in 1958 as son of a musician. He received his first piano lessons at the age of seven and went to Moscow at the age of twelve to study at the Central Special Music School and then at the Tchaikowsky Conservatory. In 1976 he began intensive studies with the renowned pianist and teacher Aliza Kezeradze, with whom he was married from 1980 until her untimely death in 1996. Mme. Kezeradze was able to transmit the spirit and matter of the school of Beethoven and Liszt, the tradition of the Liszt-Siloti school, originated in Vienna and than carried through to the Conservatory of St. Petersburg, flourishing towards the end of the 19th and the beginning of the 20th. Century. Pogorelich´s sound, concerts and recordings pay homage to this exceptionally refined, visionary, and truly revolutionary woman, who so lovingly made Pogorelich a unique artist of genius. Ivo Pogorelich won the first prize at the Alessandro Casagrande Competition at Terni (Italy) in 1978 and the first price at the Montreal International Music Competition in 1980. In October of the same year he entered the International Chopin Competition in Warsaw where, when prevented from participating in the final contest as a soloist with the orchestra, a fierce controversy resulted in the renowned argentinian pianist Martha Argerich, a member of the jury, protesting and leaving the competition, joined by other members of the jury panel, with the words “He is a genius”. The New York Times once wrote “He played each note exactly, with such a feeling, such expression, he was an entire orchestra- it was as if he played 200 years ahead of our time”. In this spirit Ivo Pogorelich is known today as a poet of the instrument. Ivo Pogorelich is not only an artist of the highest caliber, discipline and musicianship, but the archetype of the modern artist, the isolated and courageous master, who finds his own way to new heights of expression, no matter the prejudices or the barriers of misunderstanding raised against him. He stands alone at the beginning of a new epoch like a prophet, mapping the routes that art would take. Pogorelich´s cathartic and mystical sound, is concerned with the ultimate mysteries that transcend this world. His grandiose, colossal and majestic art, symbolizes the struggle of the human soul to find release from the bonds of its material body. His exquisite and overwhelming music continues to echo throughout the entire performance and beyond, so the action is at once momentary, eternal and complete. Pogorelich´s interpretations are indescribably beautiful and irresistible. His sound is pure poetry and extremely emotional, yet entirely unsentimental. We are hypnotized by his new and radical naturalness, by his nobility, dignity, severity and sobriety; transporting us to states of wonder, ecstasy, meditation, love and compassion. -- Sound and Silence, Life and Death, Time and Space; collapse into the Eternal moment of Infinity. -- ----------------------- "you have to get into the phycological frame of mind in which composers wrote their works in order to discover its secrets. virtuosity comes from the greek origin virtue. original is finding the origin Gaudi said. rachmaninov had arthritis at the end of his life, he was so weak that his sound was very short, that is the reason he played fast, to fill the vacuum. if you have long sound you are in command to achieve clarity and the hypnotic sound between the notes. the problem was always the conflict and the difference between the absolute and the relative quality. beauty in music is like in diamonds, the purest diamond in the world is the Koh-i-Noor, it is the absolute beauty to which others with relative beauty are compared. work as hard as a galley slave. one should always try as much as possible to rediscover music as though one is hearing it for the first time, searching everywhere for new meanings and new depths. the highest function of the artist is to release the spirituality and the emotional immediacy that lie within the score. sound becomes metaphysical only when you have completely explored all physical possibilities. you should explore until reaching the absurd. music takes you to another universe of eternity that remains with you after the concert is finished." Ivo Pogorelich. ------------------------------------
The guy who won has played really wonderfully, actually! Pogorelich, a genius indeed, made lots of mistakes, because he didn't have time to prepare properly, so the jury eliminated for that reason, but on the other hand they agreed to have the most prestigious member to resign and declare that he is a genius; turning him into an instant star!
This is what “Presto con fuoco” is all about! Pogorelich has my favorite interpretation of Scherzo No. III. (1998 Deutsche Grammophone recording is the best) Great emphasis on the “sempre staccato” where necessary and lyrical when needed.
Phenomenal performance, with an original approach and 100% controlled, for such a young pianist! He was eliminated after this, the jury saying "this is not Chopin".
The strangest hands I've seen on a pianist. And yet what an absolutely phenomenal performance. It just goes to show the there is no 'absolute' technique.
Fantastica interpretaçao, Martha Argerich tinha razao, nos tempo de hoje Ivo Pogolerich e considerado um dos maiores pianista do planeta, eu adoro a maioria das performance que vejo no UA-cam, seus videos e otimo de ver e ouvir, obrigado por postar, estou so agora comentando pois nao sabia mexer no UA-cam.
I can't stand people who say ignorant comments like "this is the only true master of Chopin." Sure this man here is remarkably good and his interpretation and feel of the music must be repsected, but that doesn't mean you have the right to disrespect all the other masters of the Piano and Chopin's music. The only true master of Chopin is Chopin himself. Which we are all too unfortunate to hear.
I will never understand why the professional critic class always rated Pogorelich poorly. The man just plays the music as he feels it, without excess and with unimpeachable technique. His delivery puts most others to shame... I won't name names but more than a few of the top performers deliver Chopin in an almost robotic fashion. Without measured, tasteful rubato, Chopin's music sounds farcical. With proper delivery, it is ethereal... unsurpassed, really.
If I want to hear something truly unique but at the same time honest I always go back to either to Kissin or Pogorelich. Young Pogo and Kissin never disappoint.
I wonder, was this at the Warsaw Chopin Piano Competition when he was eliminated and Martha Argerich left the judicial committee in protest proclaiming him a "genius"?
Pogorelich is a reminder that, to be a genius in musical performance, you need to interpret the works anew - and so, inevitably, set aside convention. He has so much imagination - this Scherzo is a perfect example; but listen also to his interpretation of Beethoven's opus 110 sonata; or his way of playing Haydn; or Schumann. He really knows how to get 'inside' a work, and bring out the complexity of what is hidden in the score. His remarkable technique is simply a tool to do this - necessary, but not an end in itself. He is indeed a genius. And another bold and original genius of performance, Martha Argerich, recognised this in him immediately.
This piece is probably the most physically demanding composition by Chopin. He wrote and dedicated this piece to a very strong and passional pupil of his (Adolf Gutmann) who was reknown for his physical power. Arthur Rubinstein said: "this scherzo takes out from me more physical strength than any other work I know". When I finish this piece, I must stop for a minute to rest before playing anything else.
Nothing beats this interpretation. In the coda starting 5:57, it's the perfect crescendo I heard. Only he can do huge quick LH octave leaps such as those at 6:20
This interpretation could serve as a starting point of familiarization with Pogorelich's way of deconstructing Chopin (and vast amount of classical piano literature). There is no doubt that there are large number of beautiful interpretations (including Argerich's and Dang Thai Son's ones!) but what Pogorelich did was shining a new light to Chopin's music. This was an intellectual tour de force based on meticulous studies of each bar, not on the on-site inspiration during live performance.
FYI, in 1980 Dang Thai Son was a participant (and Gold medal winner) - NOT a juror. Son played brilliantly (and "traditionally"). Ivo played *against* "common traditions"... In his interview he said that he arrived to Warsaw to teach Polls to play Chopin (Ivo likes scandals as a marketing tool...) Actually Ivo gained much more because of the scandal than the winner himself. Of course Ivo deserved to be in the finals, but Son was simply unbeatable in 1980.
@@anthonyc6017 I don't agree, mainly because of the age gap which would mainly give the oldest participant and advantage due to having more maturity developed. Since they are at a highest level of piano playing there's no point to compare the winners.
Not true. Son would have been the loser if the jury gave Pogorelich the marks to go on to the finals and ultimately win first prize. Time has ultimately spoken as to the incandescent and immortal talent of such a musical avatar as Pogorelich. The soviet bloc wanted the winner to be the vietnamese pianist because the soviet bloc had decided months before that they controlled Poland and had aligned with communist vietnam, showing the west that a vietnamese pianist was worthy of a competition first prize. In 1975 the US ended their Vietnam War and pulled out. Ivo recounted this in an interview somewhere on YT that he was requested NOT to enter Chopin Comp but wait a year and enter Tchaikovsky comp and Pogo would be guaranteed first prize at that time. Obviously Pogo made his own decision to enter Chopin Comp. And we know the rest of the history.
+Russell Thompson - I checked your channel and heard you play Mr. Thompson. Personally I found your performances bland and unimaginative (this aside from the serious lack of technique and a relatively poor touche) and in that light I believe I now understand your opinion of Mr. Pogorelich's performance better. In my experience mediocrity tends to be a poor judge of genius. Alas your unfortunately expressed opinions do nothing to dissuade me of that opinion... My advice to you would be to be kinder with your criticism in future lest you not be tarred and feathered with the same brush of disrespect you painted Mr. Pogorelich with...
OK aamidjay. I think it's a blessing to have this interpretation, to enjoy his "milking the interesting technical stuff for all it's worth". I didn't find any incoherence though. He definitely has MEANINGFUL ideas. This is not my favorite interpretation of this Scherzo, but it doesn't have to be to give me much enjoyment hearing it and appreciating his personal ideas. This is, after all, why we have multiple interpreters and not carbon copies of one "standard" version.
He brings more excitement and beautiful nuances to this piece than anyone else. Awesome dynamic range as usual. It's interesting that he plays the beginning faster than most people,but the runs in the chorale bits slower than most.
There are only 2 pianists who can play this scherzo; Ivo Pogorelich and Rosa Tamarkina, (she was married to Emil Gillels) passed away at 30, from Lukemia, did not want treatments.. Ivo, please play this way again.
i study music, piano to be precise, and I have heard heaps of people play this scherzo in the past 2 weeks . . . and they all sound the SAME. I come back to Pogorelich and his performance is mindblowing, nobody comes close
Man, I think you can either agree or disagree with whatever he does... but there's no doubt that this guy is unique, he has a unique personality, artistry, musicianship... and I think it should be appreciated... I personally don't agree with many things but I really admire his performance... it's very authentic, very original and very romantic... a little out of what we consider a Chopin kind of sound, but anyways... unique
“In 1980 people wrongly interpreted my attitude and approach to Chopin's music,” he said. “I wanted a certain form of confrontation, to see to what degree the results of my searching and fascination would appeal to the public. Thirty years later, Pogorelich remains an individualist-with a shaved head and a few more pounds on his frame. And audiences still find his playing both dazzling and infuriating". - Ted Weiner & Don Lee
He never stopped being exciting. He's still the most brilliant and unpredictable touring pianist alive; any given night can be a life-altering experience for audience members. The only thing missing is a more diverse repertoire. Perhaps that will come with time.
i think i finally solved the mystery of ivo...i just red that Music therapy is music performance without the ego...that`s what ivo is and does...simple music therapy...with no ego at all...first for himself...and it works for him and for many of us.
From 5:53 onwards is original. His crescendo is amazing. And it is the most dry, crisp and clean playing of this piece where others abuse the use of pedal.
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Those of you complaining that this isn't Chopin, or that he's not following the score, clearly didn't see the big bold text at the top of the first page that says "Presto con fuoco".
If you read Huneker's book about Chopin, it's clear that there's considerable controversy regarding certain performance aspects of Chopin's work. What is more important than the score is how the performance affects the listener. I think this is what Argerich was getting at when she disagreed with the jury.
Chopin said « Risoluto » when the octave are being introduce !
@@retrogamerdave362 argerich played this scherzo better and more musically this is just showing off his octaves but not music. She fancied him that's why she walked out
@@ciararespect4296 when I listen to Porgorelich's CD of the four scherzos, it seems clear to me that all of his interpretive choices were made for musical reasons, and not to show off. What is more remarkable to me is that the choices were consistent from how he played in the competition and on the record. I don't know how you figure that Argerich "fancied him" but I would be eager to hear the details for how you arrived at that conclusion
@@retrogamerdave362 So would I like to hear the details............
Every time I read a comment stating that music should be played "properly" I start laughing. You can call me an ignorant, I am not a musicologist , but I'll tell you something: when I hear somebody playing I don't focus on so-called correctness, I search for the ability to put life in music, to make it intriguing and lively. Passion is what makes Chopin's works beautiful - and I haven't seen more passionate performance than this one.
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Fully agree, although one shouldn't exaggerate.
Yeah it is about energy. This composition is used to play as something brilliant but quite shallow. He played as it was Beethoven's 9th Symphony on sterodis concentrated to eight minutes of piano music, but still very controlled and cultivated manner, fitting to the romantic style. It is not contradiction of Chopin's work, it is even not evolution of Chopin's work, it is focusing on the core of his music. Some people just can't stand such bright light and such energy, without all that cliché cumuated and repeated over and over.
On the other hand, this performance is somehow sick. Chopin as a personality was a destroyed man and this interpretation is not healthy either.
Nobody can't put such amount of energy in the piano music without destroying himself . Pogorelich was remarkable pianinst with quite short career, it is the sad aspect of his personality.
@@blaht15 "Fully agree, although one shouldn't exaggerate."
Arturo Toscanini Quote: “If you want to please the critics, don't play too loud, too soft, too fast, too slow.”
So yes and no.
One shouldn't exaggerate WITHOUT A REASON. Now we can discuss if Pogorelich had a reason.
Was he only provoking judges and critics on the most famous international piano competition?
Was he only showing off his technical skills ?
Or was he trying new artistic approach to this particualar piano composition which desperatelly needed fresh interpretation ?
Martha said Pogorelich was a genius and she was right.
Nobody except genius could do this and get something new, unheard and working so well.
Time proved Pogorelich and Martha were right.
Nobody remembers winner of that year except he was the one, who didn't play too loud, too soft, too fast, too slow.
Now Pogorelich ended his professional career as a pianist, partly because of the health problems, partly because of critics who are not competent nowadays as they were not competent at Toscanini's time.
Pogorelich dared to hurt them so much and he won - because he was a genius and achieved this.
But he was not alone. Martha was genius as well because she recognized geniality of this interpretation.
And Chopin was genius because his composition was strong enough to endure such interpretation.
It was the same feeling like taking filigree gold goblet, fill it with dynamite and deliberatelly detonate in the concert hall, calling it music.
I liked it very much, not because of the idea itself, which is porbably sick, but because it was done with the touch of music genius.
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I was privileged to see Pogorelich five times at the height of his powers and to this day there's never been another pianist who comes close to his electrifying style and intensity on stage. I still can't watch this without bursting into applause at the end.
one of the best playings of scherzo 3 ever...theres only a handful of pianists that can play this song right---it requires speed, technical perfection, and interpretive passion...and pogorelich nails it...
No risk, no gain. Maybe the greatest performance of Chopin on UA-cam. Pogorelich is a genius.He takes it to the limit and beyond, and he understands this music better than anyone, including Kissin and Zimerman. The legerity and the power are both stunning. I was lucky enough to see him several times, but this competition performance really shows what he's built of. Ivo. Always.
+ghostwriter11 I wouldn't say he understands it better- but he understands it differently and that is what makes him great (plus his amazing technique)but he has the boldness to take the music where others don't dare to venture.
ghostwriter11 so beautifully written... a sprinkle of inspiration upon my own performance and better understanding of this piece.
Ghostwriter11 totally correct! I saw him every year in NY from 1983 to 1997 and he changed my musical life…. Zimerman, Kissin ?? Excellent world class artists but not life changing epochal geniuses like Pogorelich!
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@@jimkost2002 yes life changing.... I can't describe other than depth of his music, how deeply your soul can be grabbed and start to vibrating! I listened him two weeks ago in Belgium it was truly magical, his play is still going on in me....
Ivo tamed the Scherzo 3 , very few can handle this piece, let alone play it to perfection as Ivo does
This guy taught me piano in the last century, wonder what he is up to these days... It's amazing to see comments on youtube, some 30 years later some people think this is the best Chopin they have ever heard. I recall that the performance at the competition caused quite a ripple. Shame in my teenage wisdom I didn't appreciate the amazing talent to learn from.
I personally believe Pogorelich to be one of the greatest pianists of all time. He is a composer's pianist - by that I mean he plays music from the inside out with an innate understanding of the inner voice and measured workings of music. This is extraordinary playing from one whose musical mind is so powerful and expansive. He is the Nureyev of the piano!
Boy, he really pushes the outer boundaries of the pace at which he can play these pieces.
I love his playing. As a formerly injured pianist I recognize motions that caused my injury. I hope he never has to suffer from this and is one of the lucky ones.
Genius.. His interpretation was flawless. Also, his performance is really touching and impressive.
This is a great example of how incredible the different roles are of both composer and virtuoso.
Ivo has a fantastically unique interpretation, that compliments Chopin's intentions with interpretation. In the same way that Shakespeare didn't mean his lines to be read, but acted.
He should have won this competition. Perhaps this is why the judge walked out of the competition after hearing he didn't win.
Probably the finest Chopin virtuoso of all time. We need more Ivo.
Unfortunately, geniuses like him don't win piano competitions ... Unsurprisingly, they are highly divisive figures: as such, they will offend a number of jurors (e.g. Louis Kentner, who was upset that he made it past the first round while his own pupils got eliminated), who will characterize him as the *worst*, while others (like Martha Argerich) will characterize him as the *best* (she stormed out of the hall in protest over his elimination from the finals).
Las competencias y los concursos son insignificantes ! Sólo dan chapa y muchas veces a quien no lo merece !
I love this Scherzo with its "like water" pearls!
So much glitter.
Truly amazing and inspired. What a joy to hear this played in such an imaginative and passionate manner ... technically unbelieveable.
OMG Argerich was right -- he was a genius.
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who in the world would say not? lol
+Martin M. Sobczyk Oh cool :) Could you please help me find that excerpt/interview. I'd love to see it. Thank you so much!
Isn't he still a genius?
He is a genius, he still alive
Argerich still plays the best scherzo 3, and all Chopin scherzos for that matter. This was a good performance however. I started off concerned as even the best pianists love to rush this piece and his tempo started very fast. It was surprisingly clear and he slowed down the important moments.
A little late to the party here, but ... love Ivo. This is the exact frenzy I imagine was in the head of Chopin. Ivo's tone on the soft parts is superb too. He rattles off arpeggios at a whisper. That isn't just a good shift pedal and hammer voicing there... it's control. Amazing.
This man's love of music really shows in the way he lingers over every note, invoking the singing qualities of the piano. Even the faster passages have so much nuance! This is how Chopin should be played - sensual passion tempered by intellectually probing objectivity.
I admire him for making this on a competition - guarding vigorously his conception in front of the cliché-liking jury
playing with no pedal as a technique to increase the effect
of the really deep moments,... great!
If someone like Martha Argerich consider Pogorelich to have a place among the finalists of that competition, I think nobody cares about the opinion of those haters who like to think themselves as critics. Pogorelich has passion. I think Chopin prime intention (not only that, of course) of all his work is exactly that: PASSION.
Yes passion. I like Ivo's interpretation of this Scherzo more than Martha Argerich's at the Chopin competition, 1960!
Ivo portrayed the most important essence in music, the soul, the heart of the composer, and he became IT. I think that one should see beyond what’s written in the score. I don’t want to be disrespectful to composers. But again, what’s more disrespectful? Playing safe with a mediocre interpretation and audience forget about the performance as they leave the concert hall? or taking a risk while standing tall in what you believe in? I believe in the latter.
I remember watching a documentary where Ivo said he’s interested in knowing what inspired composers to write their works, what was before the creation of work? What provoked them to write this music?
For sure, he sees more than crescendo and decrescendo. He’s a true artist!
Every few months I'm coming back to this performance.. and 5:53 - 6:32 after so many years still matchless in creativity and interpretation.
Watching these early clips of Pogorelich, you can see how competition judges might be unnerved by him ..... and why Martha Argerich would call him a genius. The young Pogorelich was an absolute gem.
I think Pogo in his prime is top 5 all time. For me (and in no particular order) it’s Horowitz, Richter, Sokolov, Gould and Pogorelich
@@jackcurley1591 I'd put Michelangeli instead of Richter
A very dark and powerful performance from this amazing musician.
His recording of Gaspard de la Nuit and Prokofiev 6 from 1983 is one of the greatest discs I’ve ever owned, and for exactly these qualities: dark, powerful, and exhilarating!
Damn! those octaves at the beggining, he plays them so fast, precisely, and with ease...
And ferociously - in a good way!
I saw him play this piece in Los Angeles -- wearing blue suede shoes! Breath-taking performance.
1:33 such beautiful velvety tone & the soft glistening runs, astonishing sound artist, so very moving
Just brilliant. His hand positioning strongly lends itself to a flawless result. Bravo!
Ohh...I saw him live preforming in Croatia(Country of his birth) in capital city Zagreb. On 12.3.2011.He is still awesome, after 30 years, there is still something in him. With his talent, he excite everyone else, and give us an opportunity to enjoy in MUSIC.
Pogorelić we love you, and your AWESOME playing!!!
*Croatia is not the country of his birth
What an electrifying performance, absolutely on fire at the coda! Thanks for posting this historic footage.
6:30 so incredibly powerful, I think the LH depth of Ivo's playing in the lower piano registers always so rich
Ivo Pogorelich was born in Belgrade in 1958 as son of a musician. He received his first piano lessons at the age of seven and went to Moscow at the age of twelve to study at the Central Special Music School and then at the Tchaikowsky Conservatory. In 1976 he began intensive studies with the renowned pianist and teacher Aliza Kezeradze, with whom he was married from 1980 until her untimely death in 1996.
Mme. Kezeradze was able to transmit the spirit and matter of the school of Beethoven and Liszt, the tradition of the Liszt-Siloti school, originated in Vienna and than carried through to the Conservatory of St. Petersburg, flourishing towards the end of the 19th and the beginning of the 20th. Century.
Pogorelich´s sound, concerts and recordings pay homage to this exceptionally refined, visionary, and truly revolutionary woman, who so lovingly made Pogorelich a unique artist of genius.
Ivo Pogorelich won the first prize at the Alessandro Casagrande Competition at Terni (Italy) in 1978 and the first price at the Montreal International Music Competition in 1980. In October of the same year he entered the International Chopin Competition in Warsaw where, when prevented from participating in the final contest as a soloist with the orchestra, a fierce controversy resulted in the renowned argentinian pianist Martha Argerich, a member of the jury, protesting and leaving the competition, joined by other members of the jury panel, with the words “He is a genius”.
The New York Times once wrote “He played each note exactly, with such a feeling, such expression, he was an entire orchestra- it was as if he played 200 years ahead of our time”. In this spirit Ivo Pogorelich is known today as a poet of the instrument.
Ivo Pogorelich is not only an artist of the highest caliber, discipline and musicianship, but the archetype of the modern artist, the isolated and courageous master, who finds his own way to new heights of expression, no matter the prejudices or the barriers of misunderstanding raised against him. He stands alone at the beginning of a new epoch like a prophet, mapping the routes that art would take.
Pogorelich´s cathartic and mystical sound, is concerned with the ultimate mysteries that transcend this world. His grandiose, colossal and majestic art, symbolizes the struggle of the human soul to find release from the bonds of its material body. His exquisite and overwhelming music continues to echo throughout the entire performance and beyond, so the action is at once momentary, eternal and complete.
Pogorelich´s interpretations are indescribably beautiful and irresistible. His sound is pure poetry and extremely emotional, yet entirely unsentimental. We are hypnotized by his new and radical naturalness, by his nobility, dignity, severity and sobriety; transporting us to states of wonder, ecstasy, meditation, love and compassion.
-- Sound and Silence, Life and Death, Time and Space; collapse into the Eternal moment of Infinity. --
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"you have to get into the phycological frame of mind in which composers wrote their works in order to discover its secrets.
virtuosity comes from the greek origin virtue.
original is finding the origin Gaudi said.
rachmaninov had arthritis at the end of his life, he was so weak that his sound was very short, that is the reason he played fast, to fill the vacuum.
if you have long sound you are in command to achieve clarity and the hypnotic sound between the notes.
the problem was always the conflict and the difference between the absolute and the relative quality.
beauty in music is like in diamonds, the purest diamond in the world is the Koh-i-Noor, it is the absolute beauty to which others with relative beauty are compared.
work as hard as a galley slave.
one should always try as much as possible to rediscover music as though one is hearing it for the first time, searching everywhere for new meanings and new depths.
the highest function of the artist is to release the spirituality and the emotional immediacy that lie within the score.
sound becomes metaphysical only when you have completely explored all physical possibilities. you should explore until reaching the absurd.
music takes you to another universe of eternity that remains with you after the concert is finished."
Ivo Pogorelich.
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Imagine somebody showing up at a competition and playing like this -- and then not winning! It must have been politics...
The guy who won has played really wonderfully, actually! Pogorelich, a genius indeed, made lots of mistakes, because he didn't have time to prepare properly, so the jury eliminated for that reason, but on the other hand they agreed to have the most prestigious member to resign and declare that he is a genius; turning him into an instant star!
Of course.
since when hasn't major competitions not be related to politics? shame but true
素晴らしい！
この演奏はコンクールの審査員に向けた演奏ではなく、
すべての、音楽を愛する人に向けた演奏だ！
最後の一音の前に拍手が鳴り出しているのが、その証拠です。
This is what “Presto con fuoco” is all about! Pogorelich has my favorite interpretation of Scherzo No. III. (1998 Deutsche Grammophone recording is the best) Great emphasis on the “sempre staccato” where necessary and lyrical when needed.
Phenomenal performance, with an original approach and 100% controlled, for such a young pianist! He was eliminated after this, the jury saying "this is not Chopin".
The strangest hands I've seen on a pianist. And yet what an absolutely phenomenal performance. It just goes to show the there is no 'absolute' technique.
His hands are like big crabs pouncing on the keys.
Fantastica interpretaçao, Martha Argerich tinha razao, nos tempo de hoje Ivo Pogolerich e considerado um dos maiores pianista do planeta, eu adoro a maioria das performance que vejo no UA-cam, seus videos e otimo de ver e ouvir, obrigado por postar, estou so agora comentando pois nao sabia mexer no UA-cam.
I can't stand people who say ignorant comments like "this is the only true master of Chopin."
Sure this man here is remarkably good and his interpretation and feel of the music must be repsected, but that doesn't mean you have the right to disrespect all the other masters of the Piano and Chopin's music.
The only true master of Chopin is Chopin himself. Which we are all too unfortunate to hear.
Few pianists have the technical prowess to tackle this piece, but Ivo does (did).
Many years ago I went to the RFH in London with 2 friends to hear Ivo Pogorelich,
He was astounding.
I will never understand why the professional critic class always rated Pogorelich poorly. The man just plays the music as he feels it, without excess and with unimpeachable technique. His delivery puts most others to shame... I won't name names but more than a few of the top performers deliver Chopin in an almost robotic fashion. Without measured, tasteful rubato, Chopin's music sounds farcical. With proper delivery, it is ethereal... unsurpassed, really.
“Professionals” you mean professional regurgitations of the same “perfect” piece they’re a bunch of morons
If you’ve ever wondered how Liszt played Chopin, this has to be pretty close.
... or, maybe, healthy Frederic 😄
1:07 those octaves were played just so crisp and with such good sound, wow
If I want to hear something truly unique but at the same time honest I always go back to either to Kissin or Pogorelich. Young Pogo and Kissin never disappoint.
I wonder, was this at the Warsaw Chopin Piano Competition when he was eliminated and Martha Argerich left the judicial committee in protest proclaiming him a "genius"?
That is correct.
Mike Karren I didn't know it was Martha argerich, damn! Best woman pianist of the 20th century?
Mitsuko Uchida would be another contender. I'm more of an Argerich fan, myself.
venik88 100% There isn't a better pianist alive that can play Chopin's scherzos better.
@@mc3newsmcocconcierge504 100% agree I swear, Pogorelich owns the scherzos
Another masterful performance by Pogorelich
Pogorelich is a reminder that, to be a genius in musical performance, you need to interpret the works anew - and so, inevitably, set aside convention. He has so much imagination - this Scherzo is a perfect example; but listen also to his interpretation of Beethoven's opus 110 sonata; or his way of playing Haydn; or Schumann. He really knows how to get 'inside' a work, and bring out the complexity of what is hidden in the score. His remarkable technique is simply a tool to do this - necessary, but not an end in itself. He is indeed a genius. And another bold and original genius of performance, Martha Argerich, recognised this in him immediately.
i always loved the contrast in this piece between the fast and slow sections. Bravo Pogorelic.
GREAT performance, you can really feel the intention of this piece, and that is not easy to do folks
It's the hardest thing to do lmao
This piece is probably the most physically demanding composition by Chopin. He wrote and dedicated this piece to a very strong and passional pupil of his (Adolf Gutmann) who was reknown for his physical power. Arthur Rubinstein said: "this scherzo takes out from me more physical strength than any other work I know". When I finish this piece, I must stop for a minute to rest before playing anything else.
What a different viewing of the scherzo exquisite!
Nothing beats this interpretation. In the coda starting 5:57, it's the perfect crescendo I heard. Only he can do huge quick LH octave leaps such as those at 6:20
Amazing performance, amazing..
What red blooded force, passion, and energy he has. So many pianists play Chopin like they are at a tea party eating finger sandwiches. Not this man!
what a stunning performance ......period
GENIAL, una versión electrizante, bellísima. Un pianista enorme, tal como lo vió Martha Argerich
This interpretation could serve as a starting point of familiarization with Pogorelich's way of deconstructing Chopin (and vast amount of classical piano literature). There is no doubt that there are large number of beautiful interpretations (including Argerich's and Dang Thai Son's ones!) but what Pogorelich did was shining a new light to Chopin's music. This was an intellectual tour de force based on meticulous studies of each bar, not on the on-site inspiration during live performance.
Love it - this keeps the music alive
Amazing!
My favourite player of Chopin.
What a perfect...
I look this 400 times and get impressed all times... like as I saw for the first time...
Perfect Scherzo op.39 cis moll
FYI, in 1980 Dang Thai Son was a participant (and Gold medal winner) - NOT a juror. Son played brilliantly (and "traditionally"). Ivo played *against* "common traditions"... In his interview he said that he arrived to Warsaw to teach Polls to play Chopin (Ivo likes scandals as a marketing tool...) Actually Ivo gained much more because of the scandal than the winner himself. Of course Ivo deserved to be in the finals, but Son was simply unbeatable in 1980.
truecrypt Very true and well said.
I wish they would have a competition every like 25 years of the five winners and see who of them would win like a winner competition
@@anthonyc6017 Man, I love this idea!
@@anthonyc6017 I don't agree, mainly because of the age gap which would mainly give the oldest participant and advantage due to having more maturity developed. Since they are at a highest level of piano playing there's no point to compare the winners.
Not true.
Son would have been the loser if the jury gave Pogorelich the marks to go on to the finals and ultimately win first prize.
Time has ultimately spoken as to the incandescent and immortal talent of such a musical avatar as Pogorelich.
The soviet bloc wanted the winner to be the vietnamese pianist because the soviet bloc had decided months before that they controlled Poland and had aligned with communist vietnam, showing the west that a vietnamese pianist was worthy of a competition first prize.
In 1975 the US ended their Vietnam War and pulled out. Ivo recounted this in an interview somewhere on YT that he was requested NOT to enter Chopin Comp but wait a year and enter Tchaikovsky comp and Pogo would be guaranteed first prize at that time.
Obviously Pogo made his own decision to enter Chopin Comp. And we know the rest of the history.
5:50 -- never has that buildup given me chills like this before (and it definitely does give me chills every other time)...but wow...
5:50
6:16 The genius comes
Note that the audience can't wait for him to finish before unleashing their applause.
No. They can't wait for him to finish full stop so they can go and watch a better pianist perform Chopin with the respect the composer deserves.
Russell Thompson The only one who is disrespectful is you sir.
mark Musatau Does disrespect deserve respect?
+Russell Thompson - I checked your channel and heard you play Mr. Thompson. Personally I found your performances bland and unimaginative (this aside from the serious lack of technique and a relatively poor touche) and in that light I believe I now understand your opinion of Mr. Pogorelich's performance better. In my experience mediocrity tends to be a poor judge of genius. Alas your unfortunately expressed opinions do nothing to dissuade me of that opinion... My advice to you would be to be kinder with your criticism in future lest you not be tarred and feathered with the same brush of disrespect you painted Mr. Pogorelich with...
piusottovoce instant karma
OK aamidjay. I think it's a blessing to have this interpretation, to enjoy his "milking the interesting technical stuff for all it's worth". I didn't find any incoherence though. He definitely has MEANINGFUL ideas.
This is not my favorite interpretation of this Scherzo, but it doesn't have to be to give me much enjoyment hearing it and appreciating his personal ideas.
This is, after all, why we have multiple interpreters and not carbon copies of one "standard" version.
Браво ! Очень интересный музыкант. Я его обожаю, его игра волшебная, она завораживает !
This guy is a real genius. Probably the best version ever played of this piece to me.
Unbelievable how the same pianist can have hammers and feathers, burning fire and fresh water in his hands…
He brings more excitement and beautiful nuances to this piece than anyone else. Awesome dynamic range as usual. It's interesting that he plays the beginning faster than most people,but the runs in the chorale bits slower than most.
There are only 2 pianists who can play this scherzo; Ivo Pogorelich and Rosa Tamarkina, (she was married to Emil Gillels) passed away at 30, from Lukemia, did not want treatments..
Ivo, please play this way again.
Absolutely breathtaking.
i study music, piano to be precise, and I have heard heaps of people play this scherzo in the past 2 weeks . . . and they all sound the SAME. I come back to Pogorelich and his performance is mindblowing, nobody comes close
My favorite playing!
Man, I think you can either agree or disagree with whatever he does... but there's no doubt that this guy is unique, he has a unique personality, artistry, musicianship... and I think it should be appreciated... I personally don't agree with many things but I really admire his performance... it's very authentic, very original and very romantic... a little out of what we consider a Chopin kind of sound, but anyways... unique
"Pogorelich es un genio" Martha Argerich
Alguien me puede explicar porqué fue descalificado o algo así? y el primer premio se lo llevó un chino que nadie conoce?
Haha nunca
Ivo es un alien...Martha tambien lo es... Que más decir..
Perfectly good: the sounds are not only so tough but that he dont miss the notes
his playing and the size of his hands always captivate me.
“In 1980 people wrongly interpreted my attitude and approach to Chopin's music,” he said. “I wanted a certain form of confrontation, to see to what degree the results of my searching and fascination would appeal to the public.
Thirty years later, Pogorelich remains an individualist-with a shaved head and a few more pounds on his frame. And audiences still find his playing both dazzling and infuriating". - Ted Weiner & Don Lee
Incredible... I have watched this video about 10 times. Amazing performance in all aspects.
so Pogorelich can't possible be human, because this is just too amazing.
He never stopped being exciting. He's still the most brilliant and unpredictable touring pianist alive; any given night can be a life-altering experience for audience members. The only thing missing is a more diverse repertoire. Perhaps that will come with time.
He is great! One of the best versions i've ever heard
At 6:18, he is on fire. Too good and too precise.
Magnificent.
He plays it more lyrical than others, that is what appeals to me !
Im speechless...
What a furious and excellent way of playing this piece!
what can one wish more than this?
see Rubinstein perform live for me personally in the Sydney opera hall?
A few clams at the end. But, who can draw out more beautiful and varied colors from a piano? Not the only way to play this piece, but what poetry.
i think i finally solved the mystery of ivo...i just red that Music therapy is music performance without the ego...that`s what ivo is and does...simple music therapy...with no ego at all...first for himself...and it works for him and for many of us.
Simply a genius!
From 5:53 onwards is original. His crescendo is amazing. And it is the most dry, crisp and clean playing of this piece where others abuse the use of pedal.
ivo pogorelich..eternamente invencible..en su grandeza artistica..interpretativa..arquitectura y dramaturgia de fuego y ternura ..distante..como lo fué Chopin en vida y en su ARTE INVENCIBLE..y la Bella Princesa Alisa Nicolaiévna..con su voz dulce..profunda Musa Trágica de Alegria sin limite Dios os Guarde en Su Cielo...
ivo es eternidad, fuego y ternura, arte inmortal, invencible...
4 elementos, 3 dimensiones, 2 angeles y cristo muerto.
sonido y silencio, vida y muerte en un eterno momento de infinitud, eternity
a very unique and authentic interpretation of this Scherzo. Increadible the ability of some artistis to recreate the music on the paper...
and was given a fabulous flower
My favorite thing are the trickles from high to low...they're beautiful and so precise
The best performance of this Scherzo ever! Pogorelić care!!!
Amazing, just amazing.
i think he is gold medal, and Dang Thai son is 2nd place ;')