Pogorelich: Chopin Sonata No.2 (live from Chopin Competition)
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
- Frédéric Chopin
Piano Sonata No. 2 in B-flat minor, Op. 35
00:23- Grave; Doppio movimento
05:56 - Scherzo
11:59 - Marche funèbre: Lento
18:07 - Finale: Presto
Warsaw, 1980
We are missing this kind of unique and fearless playing today
Yes, i adore his fearlessness!!!
Yes exactly ..all sounds the same pretty much now
No, we're not. :) Lots of talented, innovative musicians out there. ^_^ Check out Georgijs Osokins, for example.
@@paunitka7 or the spanish guy
Totally agree. I believe that recording industry is mostly to blame. Editing, splicing, re-takes, etc, have DESTROYED the notion of spontaneity: both in terms of the performer’s drive, and the listeners expectations.
It is incredible how he has been able to find such originality in a field that admits so little innovation. Martha Argerich was right: Ivo Pogorelich is a genius.
She just fancied him
@@ciararespect4296 i dont blame her, look how he playes and how he looks :p
When I first heard him, I thought he was Martha Argerich's brother, though most of the belief was due to their names which are related (at the time I didn't know their exact names):
Pogorelich and Argerich
Yes indeed and he has been a beacon of genius ever since
@@ougha007 I agree. Wow, he has incredible handsome face.
19:36 I've been watching this video for more than a decade, but only now realize that he had tears running down his chins after the performance!!😭❤
Pretty sure it’s sweat…
@@78625amginEAre we watching the same video? Thats clearly tears his eyes are red and its coming from eyes eyes, some sweat too of course
Definitely tears, and no wonder
“To play a wrong note is insignificant, to play without passion is inexcusable”
- Beethoven
?
Except Beethoven never said that.
@@pianoplaynight the sentiment still stands though
@just a random person I meant the sentiment that music is far greater than merely playing the correct notes.
@@pianoplaynight do you have the facts in your precious hands?
Absolutely stunning, young Ivo eclipses everyone else. His wrong notes sound better than everyone else's right notes!
With "wrong notes" do you mean that he hit the wrong keys, or the right keys at the wrong time?
He hit quite a lot of wrong notes here. The poorer sound quality makes it harder to notice though.
동의보감
@@nuitNo.6 wrong keys
No need to overreact
I never imagined that someday I could see this, what a wonder the internet is, thank you very much for sharing it !!
Ivo Pogorelich managed to bring out a side of Frederik Chopin, which even Chopin didn't know he had.
Karin Junker well said. His dry approach is magic
Karin Junker absolut true
Not surprised at all with all polish hysteria agaisnt russians how a russian can win any polish competion
Sky Nox
He isn't Russian, he is Serb.
@@skynox7777 actally quite many Russians were laureates of the Int. Chopin Competitions and others. No need to write non sense. Btw, learn some history too.
Remember folks, not always about flawless technique and pure skill. It's about the imagination.
Totally agree！but unfortunately not if you want to be in the final of a piano competition ....
@@marcoliao1973 but he did win this competition didn’t he?
@@loveispatient0808 He was eliminated from the competition
@@loveispatient0808
He didn’t... 😞😞 not even in the semi final
@@marcoliao1973 I see! Thanks
This was so stunning that people couldn't believe what they heard.
Ivo, to me you ARE the 1st prize winner of the 1980 Warsaw Chopin Piano Competition !!!
Yes, definitely!!!
He certainly won the most publicity!
He certainly did more than that! So many winners come and go. IVO is a legend!!
Ivo Pogorelich è un pianista straordinario, tecnici ne abbiamo a iosa, chi invece (come lui) ha tecnica, espressività, sentimenti così evidenti, è una perla rara; rientra tra i pianisti che più amo. Grazie.
I tecnici al di fuori della musica sono un altro tipo di tecnici.
@@robb6560 purtroppo sono in tanti anche dentro la musica. Nel momento in cui si esegue qualcosa senza passione, senza sentimento.
@@parcivalg.5659 Sì è vero
@@parcivalg.5659 fammi il nome di un tecnico
@@MaScalo4508 Sono in tanti, se sei un musicista o un buon ascoltatore non avrai problemi a trovarli da solo.
It took 2 seconds to realize how exceptional his playing is , the best I have ever heard
Ivo Pogerelich is definitely a genius! The sounds he is able to get out of the piano I've never heard before. He is an unbelievably beautiful pianist.
This rendition is the proof why competitions are stupid. Yes, Pogorelich did make some mistakes. But his approach was more daunting and mature than most of competitors these days.
FUCKIN PREACH!!!
Mistakes? That thing was as perfect as the sheen of a facet on a cut diamond. His technique is flawless. Like it is with very very few among pianists. (Michelangeli, Weissenberg, etc.)
@@crowdmaker Marc Andre Hamelin, Cziffra, Volodos
As Horowitz said NO WRONG NOTES = BORING PLAYING ... Pogo was great when young but NOW... his playing is eccentric.
@@TJFNYC212 eccentric but fricking genius! Both young and old he is for me the best pianist to have ever lived, he is just simply a genius!
Ivo was a game changer and that's what he still is in 2021! Bravissimo!
Le génie est une fête. J'ai eu l'occasion de préparer le Steinway D de la Salle Mercure à Montréal lorsqu'il vint y donner un récital et y avait inclu la sonate N0.2 de Chopin. Il m'avait dit ne pas bien connaître les Steinway New-York et avait pris plusieurs heures pour s'habituer à l'instrument qu'il avait finalement apprécié. Quatre heure de répétition dans un éclairage ne dépassant pas l'équivalent d'une simple chandelle, à un tempo métronomique d'environ 40. Un récital unique. Avec Pogorelich, il faut oublier tout ce que nous avons déjà entendu et nous laisser habiter par son jeu unique, ses tempi parfois étonnants et son approche incroyablement originale.
He absolutely went for it, and left everything on that keyboard! Who cares about the wrong notes, when the music comes alive? Competitions nowadays are so boring, everyone keeping it safe, sounding similar to each other giving interpretations within the accepted norm.
Check out YUNCHAN LIM the winner of VAN CLIBURN
This performance has brought us right into the head of Chopin how exactly he felt. Ivo Pogorelich is indeed an absolute genius. Bravo and bravo ! The funeral marche was felt just like it happened RIGHT NEXT TO YOU !
This performance is amongst the greatest interpretation of this Sonata that I know. What a blessing it is 👏👏👏👏👏👏
Tim O'donnell -- Truly....it bears comparison even with Horowitz........
Good heavens, what a remarkable talent. He takes you along with him even if you don't want to go. Bravo!
❤
CHOPIN NAJPIEKNIEJSZA SPUŚCIZNA DLA LUDZKOŚCI. DZIĘKUJĘ
That’s my favourite performance of all times ❤️
I can't stop watching this. It's inspired me to relisten to Pogorelich, especially his earlier recordings, and I appreciate him so much more than I ever did before. A true genius.
at first you are stunned, but after listening a few times you refuse to like any othe rendition of this sonata
I dont know if that is a rule, but its exactly what happened to me 😂
Never never listened to Ivo's playing of this sonata without tears falling down on my face. Hauntingly beautiful indeed
ポゴレリッチは大好きなピアニストです。エッジの利いたアヴァンギャルドなカッコいい演奏、
それでいて一本筋が通ていて限りなく魅力的、もうメロメロになりそうです。💘💘💘
Attualmente tanto tecnicismo circo , ma questi titani avevano tutto e ogni volta torno sempre ad ascoltare le meravigliose incisioni di Richter , Argerich, Pogorelich . ❤. Sempre fedele a quell epoca feconda libera e piena di vera e misteriosa Arte
The most unique interpretation I’ve heard of this work. Magnificent.
4:16 listen to this passage, Pogorelich is one of the best pianists ever to have lived.
Agree. His ability to control the sound volume is remarkable and great!
I've never heard a better version of movement 4, even in his own later playings. Something about this particular version is so special.
I agree with you
he was playing out of this world...fantastic performance!
ポゴレリチのピアノ、聴きたくてここに来ました。彼はピアニストとして最高です。
0:54 that dynamic is insane
15:58 the best crescendo ever. Fantastic marching tempo, unlike other performers played too slowly and lost the marching sense.
This is such an incredible performance. He puts out all of the potential from this piece. This has very good, concrete structure and great dynamics, nuance of playing. I think I need to relisten all of my added videos with him. What a talent
Niesamowita interpretacja!
Ja tam byłam i przeżyłam ten niesamowity moment!!!! Wspaniały Ivo!
Mais quel âge avez vous ? (sans indiscrétion)
Zazdroszczę tym, którzy wtedy w 1980 roku słuchali Ivo na żywo...
Ja miałam to szczęście - stałam w nieopisanym tłoku przy bocznym wejściu i z zapartym tchem chłonęłam każdy dźwięk tego genialnego dzieła - zagranego przez Ivo tak, jak powinno zabrzmieć. To była chwila - jedna z najważniejszych w moim życiu. Miałam wtedy 20 lat, a gdy po kilkunastu latach żegnałam bardzo bliską mi osobę, ponownie odczułam prawdę tej interpretacji i ta prawda pomogła mi dalej żyć.
@@user-ho3fy9xs5b Zazdroszczę, ja miałem wtedy 10 lat, nie byłem na konkursie ale nawet relacja TV mi wystarczyła żebym się zachwycił Ivem. Nawet dzisiaj mnie to dziwi, a mam teraz 53 lata. To wykonanie Pogorelica to było coś z innego wymiaru.
Like a living organism! Makes you watching this coming to life, and grow, and wow, the first movement went over like nothing! Yes, the jury has its tastes and prejudices, we all have, competitions are just competitions, but this man could really create some magic! And these unique Goliathic hands, honed in sweat for years until being able to control the keys from virtually all angles. Thanks for sharing !
He plays like telling a story that I can understand. Every pianists playing this piece that I CAN NOT understand , He plays and everything is ok
"Every" pianist cannot you understand? It is a little bit excesive :) Maybe Mr. Rachmaninov's recording can you understand too ;) very personal...
I feel the same when I listen to Horowitz ! Everything is right and I understand the story.
Max, thank you for this. I heard him here in Sydney in the early 80s. It was an experience that has never quite left me. He sat down at the piano, and an Aladdin's Cave of wonders was opened up before me as he began to play. He held the audience spellbound. I love him!
We need a "Horowitz" contest; we have the Rubinstein, Van Cliburn contest - why not Horowitz? Rather than the standard being "note" perfection to the exclusion of great performances, why not one that focuses on amazing performances, etc. This is past due. The piano world needs something like this.
The passion, the drama, the hair! That's what music is for. Make it your f***ing own!
Thank you so much for posting! Imagine the audacity of people complaining about this incredible musician?! The passion overflowing, the heartfelt meaning to every note and such mastery. The bravery to put everything into a performance, such total commitment. Mere mortals can only dream of such accomplishments. Love Ivo!
I was there, as a child :)
Such a profound and graceful interpretation. Pogorelich and Sokolov are for sure the best living pianists. Their sound transcends the superficial world of "just right notes at the right tempo" of almost all modern pianists from today
Agreed, but I would add Kissin to the conversation for best living pianist as well
Zimerman is up there, too
初めて見た映像に感動！ 天上部はここまで 想いを込めていたとは・・
終了後の涙は万感~全力投球を物語る。
Muza. CBS. 音源とは違う至福、ありがとう
True artist! A rare sight these days.
Wonderful ! I saw him at the Palacio de Bellas Artes in México City playing Chopin Concerto 1 and his 4 Scherzos, among another masterpieces. He was simply excellent !! Mr. Pogorelich is one of the great permormers of Chopin ( and many more ).
Piano concerto No. 2, not 1
Estamos en la presencia de un GENIO ABSOLUTO !!!
Total y divino !!!!! 👏🏻👏🏻
"In the third stage, Pogorelić once again caused controversy, performing his program in the wrong order, leaving the stage part way through, and wearing an extravagant concert attire that made him look like "a prince dropped in the middle of the desert". In the end, Pogorelić was not admitted into the final. Martha Argerich resigned in protest, proclaiming him a "genius" who "her colleagues could not appreciate because of an entrenched conservatism", which is "why she was ashamed to be associated with them". -- 1980 Chopin Competition Wiki page
Simply awesome; pure genius...
Pamiętam szok po werdykcie jury niedopuszczającym go do finału konkursu. Był ulubieńcem publiczności i faworytem Marty Argerich, która na znak protestu opuściła grono jurorów. Skandal, który zaistniał wokół jego osoby, tylko mu pomógł. A w ogóle- olbrzymi talent i odwaga wykonawcza.
Oh my goddess! I was deeply moved! So much so that I almost want to cry... How else to express this feeling?⋯⋯thank you so much!
I never realized the wrong notes before. He's certainly a genius all the same.
Exquisite. He did not win the Competition but his publicity was immense and that's the next best thing!
Tanto meraviglioso che a stento si riesce a trattenere le lacrime dalla commozione! TI ADORO
What a story he tells!! 😎🎹
Despite the several mistakes, still the best interpretation of this sonata! No wonder the jury was divided!
On the one side, he unfortunately did more mistakes than acceptable for a semifinal in THAT Competition. On the other, he still had a much higher Level that a lot of the Jurors TOGETHER. So, this is a big Problem! Because just few of them (the best ones, like Argerich) liked him and recognized him as a COLLEGUE. The gave him the maximum points. Many of them where just professors which find him an interesting Pianist but really hated the few wrong notes, as professors do. They gave him mediate marks. And a lot of them where mediocre pianists, which felt like being amateurs while hearing to him. They HAD to hate him. It is interesting that this kind of Jurors did not refer to mistakes while giving Zero or one point: they neglected him from being a Chopin player at all! They tried to eliminate his Career chances. Ironically, they could not imagine, how much they helped him doing so. Now nobody knows the 1st Prize winner of that Edition. we only see him in the panel of Jurors of Chopin Competition every 5 years, we are forced to remember for a few days that he was a former winner, and then we Forget his Name again. But we still know Pogorelich.
...good that you would performe without any "misteake"...
Asshole! 😡
@@vladibaby79 - Marta Argerich isn't anywhere near Pogorelich...
@@vladibaby79 The winner of 1980 Chopin competition is Dang Thai Son, which is well renowned pianist. I do agree Pogorelich performance in the competition is ironic and definitely deserved to get into the final round, but you have to give credits to other talent pianist too.
@@tatjanasiljeg2429 haha what? Pogorelich is amazing, but what?
I am imaging a severe storm hit Warsaw in 19th century and Chopin was hit by thunderbolt, which somehow transposed him into the future - this very competition in 1980. He regains his consciousness by hearing familiar notes Ivo was playing. Chopin is stunned. He slowly comes to the podium, but Ivo is already gone. He wanted to tell him that this is exactly how this should be played and thank him for pointing this out.
So beautiful.
Chopin Piano Sonata No 2, Finale LE GENIE a la force d'exprimer l'univers illimité dont il se sent de plus en plus attiré mais les "formes traditionnelles" qui restent derrière ne lui suffissent pas pour illustrer le nouveaux univers qu'il ressent, qu'il découvre, et avant d'y pénétrer, quand le corps semble être épuisé, abandonné, il a encore l'énergie de peindre en sons le manque de contour de devant qu'il flaire, la nébuleuse, le néant, la perspective de la fin ... après tant de recherches tourbillonnantes et précaires, la force qui l'habite encore marque deux points vigueurs, deux accords qui le ramènent, le retiennent, le réveillent d’un sommeil hallucinant... Il est encore là !... !! (dans un état d’esprit pareille je ne suis pas sûr que Chopin aurait eu le temps de penser à l'atonalisme...(voir Ligeti)
Chopin would be happy.
"Fight to achieve quality, go deeper... find the origin of the sound.
You have to get into the phycological frame of mind in which composers wrote their works in order to discover its secrets.
One should always try as much as possible to rediscover music as though one is hearing it for the first time, searching everywhere for new meanings and new depths.
The highest function of the artist is to release the spirituality and the emotional immediacy that lie within the score.
A composition can only be performed well if it is entirely yours, not only every note from memory, but the notes have become you, and you have become the notes.
Fight and find the substance, then go to the higher spheres.
Music takes you to another universe of eternity that remains with you after the concert is finished."
Ivo Pogorelich.
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"Under the fingers of Chopins´s hand the piano became the voice of an archangel, an orchestra, an army, a raging ocean, a creation of the universe, the end of the world."
Solange Clesinger.
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"Chopin´s playing evoked all the sweet and sorrowful voices of the past. Chopin sang the tears of music...in a whole gamut of different forms and voices, from that of the warrior to those of children and angels..."
Bohdan Zaleski, polish poet, personal diary 2 feb 1844.
Thank you for these quotes. They express the inexpressible.
Absolutely genius
I agree!
Иво, браво! Сергей Арзуманов, мой отец, пианист, ну и я сам. С Малинином вы встречались. Бах? Вообще - шедевр. Гаспард. Держитесь. Ваша марка - золото.
This must've been stage 3 of the competition where he was voted off. Crazy to think that it was after this performance.
Que c'était beau ! Chopin rentre dans mon âme.Merci au grand pianiste M. Pogorelich.=)
Moved me to tears. Just amazing.
he cried too
Pamiętam ten Konkurs Chopinowski z 1980 roku.Ivo Pogorelic zagrał wspaniałe, szczególnie sonatę B-mol.Coś wspaniałego. Grał po Konkursie w Krakowskiej Filharmonii ,ale bilety były nie do dostania.
Young, extremely talented and extremely handsome. Moźe dlatego zawistny Krystian Zimerman nie szczędził wtedy słów krytyki.
Pamiętam byłam wtedy na tym występie
Ивушка, Браво, гений !!!
Martha Argerich walked out after he was eliminated. That's how he became famous although he is a singular phenomenon. And I don't think you can either love him or hate him, but it's possible to feel both love, hate...he certainly never did anything conventionally.
Holy Cow, that Scherzo Movement! The way he *attacks* 6:36-6:39 - so surprising (and exciting) to hear it like this!
Superb rendition!!; and our beloved Martha Argerich showed a musical dignity that helped him launch his career.
Martha Argerich left the judging panel because she knew how much of a genius he was and couldn't accept the fact that he didn't win the competition. All that being said and what is often the case is that he went on to a major professional career performing
Chopin Amateur Piano Judges Competition
But Professionals return to Argentina
On comprends pourquoi la grande Martha Argerich a reconnu en lui un artiste unique . Quand on dit " unique" on parle d'un artiste qui ne reproduit pas ce qu'on attend de lui , mais un pianiste qui fait VIVRE la musique , selon son ressenti , son âme. Cette sonate est tout à coup une nouvelle oeuvre de Chopin jusque là inconnue ! N'est ce pas ça, le talent , sortir des sentiers battus ? Et tant pis pour les gardiens du temple qui n'aiment pas !
Magnifique...hors norme. Pas étonnant que la grande Martha l'ait remarqué. Merci encore.
One of the best, no doubt
So good....wonderful sound world of young genius.....
素晴らしい演奏ですね。ありがとうございます。thank you😄
Best hands ever seen
One of the best recordings ive ever heard, no doubt
A unique performer!
He is really amazing pianist with a great technique and expresivity !!! ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
definitely he’s super genius.
A Genius,,,
Such a heartbreaking 3rd movement. So emotionally poignant.
Imagine Osokins plays sonata in this style after 40 years... if he only been promoted to third round od Chopin Competition. Unfortunately there wasnt Martha Argerich in jury in 2021....
Yess I thought of this.. expecting for this sonata to Osokins.
Браво! Обожаю !
Beautiful
Lep,pametan , nadaren vanzemaljski, sve je to Ivo, Doduse , ima jedan mladic koji dosta podseca na njega Maksim Mrvica.
Ivo is Frederic. Pogorelich = Chopin = Frederic Pogorelich. This performance was on the same fuckin' level with musicians like Emil Giles, Arthur Rubinstein, Mauricio Polini , Claudio Arrau , Yulianna Avdeeva and Martha Argerich! No : it was something brand new . We never heard Chopin like this! Never!
Bravo!!! Congratulations.
Echt erstaunlich! Danke 🙏👏
アルゲリッチは正しかった。
彼は天才だと思います。
リパッティのコンクールの結果に不服だったコルトーと同じです。
ショパンコンクールの歴代の参加者の中で僕は一番か二番目に彼の音楽が好きです。
I'd like to be a heavenly fly on the heavenly wall, witnessing Frederic meeting Ivo (some time in the heavenly future, of course) for the first time and saying (in French): "I heard you playing some of my pieces and I thought: I wish I had written that"
POGORELICH - one and only...
Well, in all fairness, pianists are dropped at various stages of the competition - so being dropped is not that unusual. However, Pogorelich was a very passionate player. And - I loved his performance of the Scriabin Etude Op. 8 #2 - beautiful! Check YT for video. Pogorelich's star has risen - while the winner of the 1980 Chopin competition has not been a major name on the concert stage.
FUERA DE ESTE MUNDO ... ES LA INTERPRETACION DE UN GENIO !!!!
👏👏Bravo, maestro!
Annientata da tanta passione...
An angel