I just picked up the A7RV and this 11mm lens and noticed the imaging circle is even bigger when the hood is removed. I often like to shoot in 1:1 and in full-frame, it just about covers the whole area. Thanks for leading me this way!
Best apsc lens to use on a FF camera is the 20/2.8. For video it is great, and for stills I shoot it in FF mode with a 1:1 ratio. Doing this in Raw preserves the Full Frame data, but it allows the thumbnail/proxy file to show you the end shot. It is the best vlogging lens if you have active stabilization. And it retains f2.8 and the fast Sony focusing.
It was a cool videos Gordon and I appreciate your effort. One other thing you could try is the amazing clear image zoom ability. If you added a 1.2 or 1.3X zoom over the active stabe I think you could get rid of those dark sides way easier than the catalyst process.
Yeah, I saw another video where 1.2x clear zoom was additionally added to remove the black edges. The FoV would be around a 14mm-15mm lens. Video credit: ua-cam.com/video/yBGG3UW091Y/v-deo.html
Thanks for this very educational video! It's a great idea, recently I was fiddling around a CCTV lens on my micro4/3 camera and one day I tried it on my A7C, and it actually produce a image circle larger than I thought, so I proceed through a similar thought process, but because I don't shot video so there is no remarkable outcome. Now I know that there is a great weapon at my disposal thanks to this video.
The good ol' sigma 16mm 1.4 is also a great choice for FF cameras like the A7c that crop in about 1.2x in 4k. I don't know if other FF cameras do that. Adding to the thought train, I wish clear image zoom wouldn't disable a lot of the camera's capabilities while recording. Otherwise it would be the perfect tool to use to get the most out of your lenses. For one of the most compact wide vlog lenses, there's the old sony 16mm 2.8. (Also supports original sony wide angle and fish eye converters). Originally for the system back when it was called NEX so it doesn't support phase-detect. But when you screw off the shroud from the back to expose the full image circle it makes a great little vlog lens, agian, for something like the a7c for example. Edit: btw, I never got a notification for this video and just stumbled upon it. Sad that it's stuck at 4k views. I usually watch all of your videos and also have the bell on.
I used to be a bit disappointed with the ibis in my Sony, but now that I see how much it is doing in the background but still avoiding warpy edges like other camera brands - I think it has come on a long way. The next cheapest budget lens for Sony might be the Samyang 18mm f2.8, which I found OK for video - but lacking for stills when compared to other lenses.
Removing lens rear baffle could help sometimes of course, but since the back is already circular it seems you left the front hood on and that created the rectangular shape on top of natural image circle. Without it it might allow slightly better crop depending on stabilisation wobbling in corners and not whole sides.
I’m excited to pair my 70-350 (525 full frame equivalent in an itty bitty package) apsc to a 7R mark V. I think it’ll be a monster wildlife/bird camera that you can take on safaris etc
@@AngieyAntonio so long as you're filming in the super35 cropped mode, you'll be good. In fact on the A7R V, it gives better video quality in this mode.
I'm thinking to buy either zv e10 or a7c and I do own this 11mm f1.8. Should I use it in a7c? Is it way better than using zv e10 especially on videography? I don't take much photos
Thank you for the great and knowledgeable video Gordon! I was wondering on @4:43 how were you able to achieve that "full frame mode" showing more width to the view/getting that rectangular vignette? I have a Sony ZV-E1 and my vignette only shows up small and circular, similar to 3:30. Is my camera capable of getting that wider rectangular image? Thank you
The shape of the vignette is down to several factors, including internal baffles, lens corrections etc - it's not always circular by the time it reaches the processor.
@@hanfpv3093 yes, in terms of light gathering, but if you're cropping it to APSC, whether in FF or on an APSC body, then the depth of field becomes more equivalent to, about f2.8-3.2
Hi Gordon! So now that Sony announced the ZV-E1 with dynamic mode stabilization (and a bigger crop for videos) will the 11mm work fine showing that better stabilization and a field of view maybe like 18mm or 20mm without black bars? I'm asking because all I need is a field of view around 18 to 20mm (35mm equiv) and a REALLY good stabilization to walk around and vlog. For sure if it works will be fine because this 11mm costs a third of the 14mm G master and the weight amd size are also a lot better.
if you use this 11mm on the newer A7cii in 4k60 since it puts you in apsc mode thats 1.5x making it 16.5mm then if you turn active stabilization on does that not add another 1.5x digital drop making this lens about 24mm? Then super stable due to the new ibis vs this a7iv in the video but still usable focal length or am i wrong? Since the new a7cii allows proper tracking in thing like clear image zoom that also is nice.
Thanks! If you turn on APSC mode, then it immediately crops by 1.5x, so about 16.5mm. Active SteadyShot then crops further, so probably between 20-24mm at the end.
I think so, I don't know why it wouldn't. BUT the body does need to know what focal length it's compensating for, and if it recognises a 16mm for APSC, it'll be compensating as if it were a 24. But I don't think that would make a major difference to the end result.
@@cameralabs FX3. Came from ZV-E10. Brought glass. It's all fine, really. Saving it for use on whatever the next gen crop bodies will bring. If next gen crop bodies ever happen.
Hello, thank you for your test about sony 11mm F1.8 on A74. My style of photography is 100% photo only, if i need to take some video, i just using insta360onex3. So the following is my question, apsc len on full frame camera, that mean the megapixels will drop to 1400 as A74... Is it enough for put on FB/IG only?because i planning to buy Sony 20 F1.8 for arsto... If 1400 megapixels is enough, i am sure i will change the decision as half price, more wide angle and same F1.8
Yes, if you use APSC lens for photo, then you will have much less resolution, so it depends if this is ok for you or not. It's still enough for social posting.
I never do video, but I often use APSC mode in my A7RIV and A7RIVA for still photography, I have only "full frame" Lenses which I think in most cases are superior to APSC Lenses.
It is baffling to me that with the many, many AF E-mount FF lenses available, the choices for a wider than 18mm prime are limited to a very expensive 14mm GM, an ancient Samyang 14mm and a giant Sigma 14mm. That's it. Why won't someone make a small 16mm f/2.8 like Canon has? Utterly bizarre.
Facts spat. I'd absolutely love to see a 16 2.8 prime in the style and size of those three small ones Sony published. The 24/40/50 set. Needs a 16. I do love my 14mm GM, but its a total grapefruit canon.
APS-C lens on a full frame body? No, but I have a pro-tip: Try a full frame lens on an APS-C body! If it's an old lens from the film days you might get soft results. But many modern lenses are sharp enough for APS-C. Actually, when I bought the Sigma 18-35 F1.8 I did try it on one of my old film bodies. I didn't take any pictures - I only wanted to see how far I had to zoom to avoid vignetting. Answer: 27 mm. Which was exactly as expected. When I pressed the lens release button, it just broke of. The locking mechanism for the film compartment had already broken, the body just having been sitting on a shelf. So the plastic in the camera seemed to have expired. Too bad - it was only 20 years old!!
I just picked up the A7RV and this 11mm lens and noticed the imaging circle is even bigger when the hood is removed. I often like to shoot in 1:1 and in full-frame, it just about covers the whole area. Thanks for leading me this way!
Best apsc lens to use on a FF camera is the 20/2.8. For video it is great, and for stills I shoot it in FF mode with a 1:1 ratio. Doing this in Raw preserves the Full Frame data, but it allows the thumbnail/proxy file to show you the end shot. It is the best vlogging lens if you have active stabilization. And it retains f2.8 and the fast Sony focusing.
Nice tip, I'll try it!
This is a cool idea, good on you for exploring it.
It was a cool videos Gordon and I appreciate your effort. One other thing you could try is the amazing clear image zoom ability. If you added a 1.2 or 1.3X zoom over the active stabe I think you could get rid of those dark sides way easier than the catalyst process.
Yeah, I saw another video where 1.2x clear zoom was additionally added to remove the black edges. The FoV would be around a 14mm-15mm lens.
Video credit: ua-cam.com/video/yBGG3UW091Y/v-deo.html
+1
Good idea!
This sounds like a great idea and I tried this as well. The problem is that you lose eye-priority focus for some reason.
Thanks Gordon 👍
I was planning on trying this myself, you just saved me from wasting a day of my life...
Literally a life saver 😜
Removing the rear baffles and/or stock hood improves the coverage of many lenses.
Thank you so much. You answered all my questions with apsc lens to full frame!
Glad to help!
Thanks for this very educational video! It's a great idea, recently I was fiddling around a CCTV lens on my micro4/3 camera and one day I tried it on my A7C, and it actually produce a image circle larger than I thought, so I proceed through a similar thought process, but because I don't shot video so there is no remarkable outcome. Now I know that there is a great weapon at my disposal thanks to this video.
You're welcome I thought it was an interesting experiment!
This was brilliant! I really love the idea about the catalyst browse
Thanks!
The good ol' sigma 16mm 1.4 is also a great choice for FF cameras like the A7c that crop in about 1.2x in 4k. I don't know if other FF cameras do that. Adding to the thought train, I wish clear image zoom wouldn't disable a lot of the camera's capabilities while recording. Otherwise it would be the perfect tool to use to get the most out of your lenses.
For one of the most compact wide vlog lenses, there's the old sony 16mm 2.8. (Also supports original sony wide angle and fish eye converters). Originally for the system back when it was called NEX so it doesn't support phase-detect. But when you screw off the shroud from the back to expose the full image circle it makes a great little vlog lens, agian, for something like the a7c for example.
Edit: btw, I never got a notification for this video and just stumbled upon it. Sad that it's stuck at 4k views. I usually watch all of your videos and also have the bell on.
Thanks! I think a lot of my videos aren't seen for some reason, it's very frustrating.
I used to be a bit disappointed with the ibis in my Sony, but now that I see how much it is doing in the background but still avoiding warpy edges like other camera brands - I think it has come on a long way. The next cheapest budget lens for Sony might be the Samyang 18mm f2.8, which I found OK for video - but lacking for stills when compared to other lenses.
Maybe you could remove the baffles on this lens and get a wider image too.
Removing lens rear baffle could help sometimes of course, but since the back is already circular it seems you left the front hood on and that created the rectangular shape on top of natural image circle. Without it it might allow slightly better crop depending on stabilisation wobbling in corners and not whole sides.
I didn't have a front hood on - the effect was probably from internal baffling coupled with substantial lens corrections.
I’m excited to pair my 70-350 (525 full frame equivalent in an itty bitty package) apsc to a 7R mark V. I think it’ll be a monster wildlife/bird camera that you can take on safaris etc
So you know your A7R V would be in cropped 26 Megapixel mode with that lens, right?
@@cameralabs but won’t that problem with video right?
@@AngieyAntonio so long as you're filming in the super35 cropped mode, you'll be good. In fact on the A7R V, it gives better video quality in this mode.
@@cameralabs thanks for the reply :)
Amazing. This APSC 11mm could be used as full frame 14mm
Very good, thank you very much! Extremely useful to know.
I'm thinking to buy either zv e10 or a7c and I do own this 11mm f1.8. Should I use it in a7c? Is it way better than using zv e10 especially on videography? I don't take much photos
I used the Tokina 11-20 on an a7iii, and even fotomode it is usable from ~16mm on fullframe. Through the ef->e adapter af was terrible.
Look at the 10-18 F4 OSS. It covers fullframe at 12mm without the lensehood. OSS + IBIS + Active, its insanely stable
F4 vs F1.8
@@50shadesofNV You need ND or step down during the day anyway
@@50shadesofNV Not a problem.
Good idea, I'll try that too
It should've also been used for films in the future as well?
i got the viltrox 13mm since it was a cheaper option at the indigogo campaing since budget was tight, but great and smaller lens!
Thank you for the great and knowledgeable video Gordon! I was wondering on @4:43 how were you able to achieve that "full frame mode" showing more width to the view/getting that rectangular vignette? I have a Sony ZV-E1 and my vignette only shows up small and circular, similar to 3:30. Is my camera capable of getting that wider rectangular image? Thank you
The shape of the vignette is down to several factors, including internal baffles, lens corrections etc - it's not always circular by the time it reaches the processor.
Cool idea! :)
Keep up the good work!
Thanks!
Great video!
Quick question. Is a apsc f1.8 apeture still a f1.8 when on a full frame camera?
@@hanfpv3093 yes, in terms of light gathering, but if you're cropping it to APSC, whether in FF or on an APSC body, then the depth of field becomes more equivalent to, about f2.8-3.2
Hi Gordon! So now that Sony announced the ZV-E1 with dynamic mode stabilization (and a bigger crop for videos) will the 11mm work fine showing that better stabilization and a field of view maybe like 18mm or 20mm without black bars? I'm asking because all I need is a field of view around 18 to 20mm (35mm equiv) and a REALLY good stabilization to walk around and vlog.
For sure if it works will be fine because this 11mm costs a third of the 14mm G master and the weight amd size are also a lot better.
I was think exactly this: the dynamic crop is almost APSC, so an APSC lens should be fine on it. Definitely worth a shot!
can you do this test with the zve1 as well? im thinking of getting those. i think the dynamic stabe makes it a good run and gun for family videos. thx
Yes, I'd like to do that too, although remember the crop is so significant. you're recording more like 2.5k of detail.
Why didn't you use Clear Image Zoom? That's the first thing to use for APS-C lens on FF.
TBH I rarely use it, but I should try it next time
Super cool! I was wondering about this lens as a lightweight ~16 mm option for my A7R III - think it's okay for stills?
I show what it's like for stills!
@@cameralabs Absolutely - since you've got so much experience with all the options, I thought you might have additional thoughts. Thanks though!
if you use this 11mm on the newer A7cii in 4k60 since it puts you in apsc mode thats 1.5x making it 16.5mm then if you turn active stabilization on does that not add another 1.5x digital drop making this lens about 24mm? Then super stable due to the new ibis vs this a7iv in the video but still usable focal length or am i wrong? Since the new a7cii allows proper tracking in thing like clear image zoom that also is nice.
Yes your calculations are correct
Very interesting. When you turn on apsc mode+active stady shot. How many mm the lens become? 16mm?
Thanks! If you turn on APSC mode, then it immediately crops by 1.5x, so about 16.5mm. Active SteadyShot then crops further, so probably between 20-24mm at the end.
@@cameralabs Thanks for the detailed answer!
Is the OSS in the Sony E PZ 16-55mm f/3.5-5.6 OSS lens still working in the full-frame sensor of the Sony a7 Mark I camera?
I think so, I don't know why it wouldn't. BUT the body does need to know what focal length it's compensating for, and if it recognises a 16mm for APSC, it'll be compensating as if it were a 24. But I don't think that would make a major difference to the end result.
@@cameralabs thanks a lot.....
I'll just be over here in the corner with one of the two current Sony bodies that can't do an APSC mode in 4K 😭.
A7s perchance?
@@cameralabs FX3. Came from ZV-E10. Brought glass. It's all fine, really. Saving it for use on whatever the next gen crop bodies will bring. If next gen crop bodies ever happen.
What about 4k 60fps when theres a crop anyway? I was thinking about these way to use it
Exactly, if your full-frame camera applies a crop whether for 60p and or active stabilisation, you may as well use an APSC lens.
Hello, thank you for your test about sony 11mm F1.8 on A74. My style of photography is 100% photo only, if i need to take some video, i just using insta360onex3. So the following is my question, apsc len on full frame camera, that mean the megapixels will drop to 1400 as A74... Is it enough for put on FB/IG only?because i planning to buy Sony 20 F1.8 for arsto... If 1400 megapixels is enough, i am sure i will change the decision as half price, more wide angle and same F1.8
Yes, if you use APSC lens for photo, then you will have much less resolution, so it depends if this is ok for you or not. It's still enough for social posting.
@@cameralabs in Hong Kong, the price of new Sony 11mm F1.8 as same Laowa15mmF2(second hand😅😅), hard to choose
How about 4k 60 on a7iv. using this lens?
Yes that would be fine
if you turn off in-camera distortion correction, you will get superior results.
You can't for this lens
How can the size go down to 14mp on the full frame A7iv that resolves 31mp? Even in APSC mode shouldn't you get around 20mp?
No, if you start with 31mp on ff, you end with 14 on APSC. You need more like 50-60 on ff to get around 24 on APSC.
You have to divide by 1.5 for both width and height. Gets you to about 14Mp.
I never do video, but I often use APSC mode in my A7RIV and A7RIVA for still photography, I have only "full frame" Lenses which I think in most cases are superior to APSC Lenses.
Oh my god Sony IBIS alone is barely doing anything to shaky footage that's for sure
To be fair that may say more about me.
@@cameralabs test a similar setup vlog with Canon R5 and 15-30mm lens
@@frankluo230 OK, OK, we know they're better - but if you've invested in one system......welll......
it's very good. i wanna see that. 4:00
I’m not fat, I just have a full frame body
Hello sir
It is baffling to me that with the many, many AF E-mount FF lenses available, the choices for a wider than 18mm prime are limited to a very expensive 14mm GM, an ancient Samyang 14mm and a giant Sigma 14mm. That's it. Why won't someone make a small 16mm f/2.8 like Canon has? Utterly bizarre.
That's why I wanted to try this one
Facts spat. I'd absolutely love to see a 16 2.8 prime in the style and size of those three small ones Sony published. The 24/40/50 set. Needs a 16.
I do love my 14mm GM, but its a total grapefruit canon.
APS-C lens on a full frame body? No, but I have a pro-tip: Try a full frame lens on an APS-C body!
If it's an old lens from the film days you might get soft results. But many modern lenses are sharp enough for APS-C. Actually, when I bought the Sigma 18-35 F1.8 I did try it on one of my old film bodies. I didn't take any pictures - I only wanted to see how far I had to zoom to avoid vignetting. Answer: 27 mm. Which was exactly as expected.
When I pressed the lens release button, it just broke of. The locking mechanism for the film compartment had already broken, the body just having been sitting on a shelf. So the plastic in the camera seemed to have expired. Too bad - it was only 20 years old!!
U call that a pro tip ? Lmao apsc lenses in the ff body is not that bad
First?
Maybe?
Next time don't forget to remove the lens hood for a circular image 😅
Yep, you're right!
Hmmm, I've always wondered how this all worked. Now I know - just stick with native FE glass, way too much math ✖✖➖➖➗➗🤣🤣
The focal length is always the same, so...