Quite a lot of researchers believe the Bardic class of the Christian era were in most cases direct descendants of the Druidic class of the pre and early Christian era. Both were hereditary positions in society due to their specific class and fulfilled the same roles. You also had to have had a specific number of ancestors that were bards or druids to train for the position (I've heard 9).
Poets have always been a separate group from priests in Indo-European societies, all the way back in the Rigveda they are distinguished as separate. It is very doubtful they were ever the same in Ireland or anywhere else. They were also not strictly hereditary. They were made hereditary in the medieval period due to Christianity and the growing influence of Christian priests and the financial obligations the chiefs had to support the bishops and the church made them restrict the fili to a family office. One can assume to be of high rank one had to be of a recognized family, but it was not strictly originally hereditary.
@@FortressofLugh To quote Eleanor Hull: "The fili is to be regarded as in the earliest times as combining in his person the functions of magician, lawgiver, judge, counsellor to the chief, and poet. Later, but still at a very early time, the offices seem to have been divided, the Brehons devoting themselves to the study of law, and the giving of legal decisions, the Druids arrogating to themselves the supernatural functions, with the addition, possibly of some priestly offices, and the fili themselves being henceforth principally as poets and philosophers. The division seems to have already existed in Ireland at the time of St Patrick, whose preaching brought him into constant opposition with the druids, who were evidently, at that time, regarded as the religious leaders of the nation." Before becoming a Druid priest the applicant had twenty years of learning verses, at least. Many of the great Druids were also renowned as Bards, as well as for their spiritual knowledge and prowess, such as Amergin. They were certainly from the same class in society. Blood was also incredibly important to the Celts, it had real spiritual meaning. These roles were always hereditary, it couldn't have been any other way. The Druidic Class was on an equal footing to the Royal Class in many respects, you couldn't just walk into it from the outside. There's a reason the Bards remembered and recounted generation after generation of kings and prominent families. These hereditary societal roles continued with the Bardic class of the Christian era of the 10th century onwards, it wasn't a new thing.The fact that there's surnames such as Mac an Bhard, Son of the Bard (Ward) reinforces this intrinsic aspect of Irish society.
My great great grandmother was the last of my family to fully speak, pray and sing in Gaelic I’m interested in learning the history and will watch every video you post on the subject! The way you explain things and tie key ideas together is masterful - thank you for al l the time and dedication you have put in
These videos do a lot for me on a daily basis and helps me figure out myself and the world my ancestors brought me! Thank you for your great sacrifice! You truly are a king Faa! you bring a lot of value to our culture and ancestors 🙏🏻🔥❤️
Check out the brehon laws on the filidh! Some great laws regarding their nature and training. Also where did your video on the Celtic Scythian link go?
Within the first 1:49 he straight to states bards are the lower level entertaining the nobility and they can rise to the rank of filidh becoming nobility themselves.
When you were naming the higher classes of filidh in the beginning of the video, how do you spell those two part names. It sounded like "Aird ...." and "Aird ....". I just want to know how you spell it, so I can see the names Please and thank you!
do you suggest that the passage from the "fili" of iron age as a religious figure to the profane artiste of the middle ages , is mainly a consequence of the christianisation ?? after all trivium and quadrivium survived thanks to the Church where songs and musics participate to the lithurgy..what could be the other reason of the change ?? the warrior aspect of the fili or else ?
wait a minute, around 12:55, are you telling us that the filidh were essentially Gael equivalents to the Odinic Norse berserkers? wizards, seers, poets and arch warriors? I mean, your description reminds me of no one more than Egill Skallagrimsson... also, while I don't remember Cù Chulainn having any sight or poetic ability, do you imply that his warrior spasm is some kind of filé linked power?
Brilliant synopsis. If people just realized that the early Christianity of Ireland was adopted by most of the Druidic and Filidh classes as a new and improved view of reality, perhaps they would give up the old blame thing. And it was prophecized by the Druids, Poets and Seers in Ireland. This is where the esoteric elements of Catholic theology present the core truths of what the Druids taught. It isn’t given from the pulpit or pearls tossed to swine. But for the true seeker, they will discover John Scotus Erigena and the many others who express it. It’s kinda like the political parties in America, or democracies. Their policy when in power is different but still acceptable. Neither may express or behave in the manner of the underlying(sic)truths but those truths we hold to be self evident as stated in you know what. The Druidic knowledge is also the underlying & fundamental differences in the Celtic and the Roman church and the tonsure and dating controversies were just surface challenges. Next time I have difficulty in making people understand the differences in what my being a living poet & what my poetry is really all about perhaps I’ll just refer them to your video, so I don’t hafta see the blank looks of ‘what?’, lol...or as it is in Irish: agoa. Go raibh maith agut. Slán
The priestly warrior-poet motif appears predominant in indo european derived cultures, Fili in the Celts, Skalds in Germanics and the Sals in the Khazaks, how many more examples are there?
Romans had their haruspex who devined the future through studying the entrails of animals like sheep and chickens. They would often be consulted before battle.
@@CuFhoirthe88 The Turkics derive significant ammounts of their culture and genetics from Indo Europeans even if their language isnt. ua-cam.com/video/gwchnHnaQII/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/X2KLQoPLhZk/v-deo.html
As far as i know, Finn or Fionn always comes from Windos* (White) which gives birth to welsh name Gwyn. I'll go with that instead the other meaning, especially because scholars agree more on that.
I looked at wiktionary and there are two meanings for fionn. The first is white and can also mean bright or blessed and is related to Welsh gwyn which has the same meanings. The second is the seeking out meaning and also appears in Welsh as gwn (I know). Interestingly the colour white in Irish/Gaelic is geal which means to shine and geal shares the same origin as the word yellow. Moon in Gaelic is gealach. Fionn in Gaelic looked to have another meaning of truth at one time.
@@elgranlugus7267 I forgot about bán but it's another one. I just found this page which explains colours in Irish: lunavagantt.wordpress.com/tag/language/page/9/
on scotland it has been alba caledonia and scotland, on celtic language irish colour words there have been two red is dearg and rua green is uaine and glas yellow is bui and fionn (blonde) otherwise gorm is blue liath is grey and dubh is black ban is white
Sounds tribal and perhaps then Germanic Nordic then Roman overtaken. - So I think a o’ sleibhahan ( can’t spell it ) - or slevin today - wS a bard to king - whom I thought a bard was a messenger to the king between tribes about information history stories and perhaps history in song also. And is glen from Scotland similar to Gwynn in welsh - and which came first? - Is it true that Scottish were first - and that the real first Irish and scots were darker - like Indians or American Indians? And for whatever reason left - And that the later perhaps Germanic scots and Irish moved to Spain - like the similar looking basque people’s!!!??!!
Quite a lot of researchers believe the Bardic class of the Christian era were in most cases direct descendants of the Druidic class of the pre and early Christian era. Both were hereditary positions in society due to their specific class and fulfilled the same roles. You also had to have had a specific number of ancestors that were bards or druids to train for the position (I've heard 9).
Poets have always been a separate group from priests in Indo-European societies, all the way back in the Rigveda they are distinguished as separate. It is very doubtful they were ever the same in Ireland or anywhere else. They were also not strictly hereditary. They were made hereditary in the medieval period due to Christianity and the growing influence of Christian priests and the financial obligations the chiefs had to support the bishops and the church made them restrict the fili to a family office. One can assume to be of high rank one had to be of a recognized family, but it was not strictly originally hereditary.
@@FortressofLugh To quote Eleanor Hull: "The fili is to be regarded as in the earliest times as combining in his person the functions of magician, lawgiver, judge, counsellor to the chief, and poet. Later, but still at a very early time, the offices seem to have been divided, the Brehons devoting themselves to the study of law, and the giving of legal decisions, the Druids arrogating to themselves the supernatural functions, with the addition, possibly of some priestly offices, and the fili themselves being henceforth principally as poets and philosophers. The division seems to have already existed in Ireland at the time of St Patrick, whose preaching brought him into constant opposition with the druids, who were evidently, at that time, regarded as the religious leaders of the nation."
Before becoming a Druid priest the applicant had twenty years of learning verses, at least. Many of the great Druids were also renowned as Bards, as well as for their spiritual knowledge and prowess, such as Amergin. They were certainly from the same class in society.
Blood was also incredibly important to the Celts, it had real spiritual meaning. These roles were always hereditary, it couldn't have been any other way. The Druidic Class was on an equal footing to the Royal Class in many respects, you couldn't just walk into it from the outside. There's a reason the Bards remembered and recounted generation after generation of kings and prominent families. These hereditary societal roles continued with the Bardic class of the Christian era of the 10th century onwards, it wasn't a new thing.The fact that there's surnames such as Mac an Bhard, Son of the Bard (Ward) reinforces this intrinsic aspect of Irish society.
I would've never guessed UA-cam of all places would be the center of great minds hahaha ⭐️
My great great grandmother was the last of my family to fully speak, pray and sing in Gaelic I’m interested in learning the history and will watch every video you post on the subject! The way you explain things and tie key ideas together is masterful - thank you for al l the time and dedication you have put in
These videos do a lot for me on a daily basis and helps me figure out myself and the world my ancestors brought me! Thank you for your great sacrifice! You truly are a king Faa! you bring a lot of value to our culture and ancestors 🙏🏻🔥❤️
Every time i keep watching your videos i am learning more and more about my my Anistors amazing
Check out the brehon laws on the filidh! Some great laws regarding their nature and training. Also where did your video on the Celtic Scythian link go?
I was wondering about that too. I went looking for it the other day and couldn't find it.
Thank you so much for sharing this info
Great video, lad!
A fille and a bard were different levels in society. You smashing together some shit here bro.
Within the first 1:49 he straight to states bards are the lower level entertaining the nobility and they can rise to the rank of filidh becoming nobility themselves.
Appreciate So
When you were naming the higher classes of filidh in the beginning of the video, how do you spell those two part names.
It sounded like "Aird ...." and "Aird ....".
I just want to know how you spell it, so I can see the names
Please and thank you!
Any good photographic examples of an ancient Fili? So far on google I havent came across anything
Are you fucking serious dude? Nobody had a smartphone back then, not even daguerre
Pretty sure he Kent photos of hyro or art...
thank you
do you suggest that the passage from the "fili" of iron age as a religious figure to the profane artiste of the middle ages , is mainly a consequence of the christianisation ?? after all trivium and quadrivium survived thanks to the Church where songs and musics participate to the lithurgy..what could be the other reason of the change ?? the warrior aspect of the fili or else ?
wait a minute, around 12:55, are you telling us that the filidh were essentially Gael equivalents to the Odinic Norse berserkers? wizards, seers, poets and arch warriors? I mean, your description reminds me of no one more than Egill Skallagrimsson... also, while I don't remember Cù Chulainn having any sight or poetic ability, do you imply that his warrior spasm is some kind of filé linked power?
Brilliant synopsis. If people just realized that the early Christianity of Ireland was adopted by most of the Druidic and Filidh classes as a new and improved view of reality, perhaps they would give up the old blame thing. And it was prophecized by the Druids, Poets and Seers in Ireland.
This is where the esoteric elements of Catholic theology present the core truths of what the Druids taught. It isn’t given from the pulpit or pearls tossed to swine. But for the true seeker, they will discover John Scotus Erigena and the many others who express it. It’s kinda like the political parties in America, or democracies. Their policy when in power is different but still acceptable. Neither may express or behave in the manner of the underlying(sic)truths but those truths we hold to be self evident as stated in you know what.
The Druidic knowledge is also the underlying & fundamental differences in the Celtic and the Roman church and the tonsure and dating controversies were just surface challenges.
Next time I have difficulty in making people understand the differences in what my being a living poet & what my poetry is really all about perhaps I’ll just refer them to your video, so I don’t hafta see the blank looks of ‘what?’, lol...or as it is in Irish: agoa.
Go raibh maith agut.
Slán
The priestly warrior-poet motif appears predominant in indo european derived cultures, Fili in the Celts, Skalds in Germanics and the Sals in the Khazaks, how many more examples are there?
Khazaks aren't Indo-European. They're Turkic.
Romans had their haruspex who devined the future through studying the entrails of animals like sheep and chickens. They would often be consulted before battle.
@@CuFhoirthe88 The Turkics derive significant ammounts of their culture and genetics from Indo Europeans even if their language isnt.
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As far as i know, Finn or Fionn always comes from Windos* (White) which gives birth to welsh name Gwyn.
I'll go with that instead the other meaning, especially because scholars agree more on that.
Yes, which comes fromPIE to see.....
I looked at wiktionary and there are two meanings for fionn. The first is white and can also mean bright or blessed and is related to Welsh gwyn which has the same meanings.
The second is the seeking out meaning and also appears in Welsh as gwn (I know).
Interestingly the colour white in Irish/Gaelic is geal which means to shine and geal shares the same origin as the word yellow. Moon in Gaelic is gealach.
Fionn in Gaelic looked to have another meaning of truth at one time.
@@FortressofLugh Knowledge and illumination are fairly close concepts.
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I also heard once that bán means white, unless there are two words for "white" in irish, according to what you said.
@@elgranlugus7267 I forgot about bán but it's another one.
I just found this page which explains colours in Irish: lunavagantt.wordpress.com/tag/language/page/9/
on scotland it has been alba caledonia and scotland, on celtic language irish colour words there have been two red is dearg and rua green is uaine and glas yellow is bui and fionn (blonde) otherwise gorm is blue liath is grey and dubh is black ban is white
My family has a history or bards. I wish i had ancient evidence from them. We were just known as a band of restless roving poets.
surprised no one mentioned anything about the bg music
Të Bardhët. Alban. Fili(greek for friend)
A poet and a bard walk into a tavern,
Sounds tribal and perhaps then Germanic Nordic then Roman overtaken. - So I think a o’ sleibhahan ( can’t spell it ) - or slevin today - wS a bard to king - whom I thought a bard was a messenger to the king between tribes about information history stories and perhaps history in song also. And is glen from Scotland similar to Gwynn in welsh - and which came first? - Is it true that Scottish were first - and that the real first Irish and scots were darker - like Indians or American Indians? And for whatever reason left - And that the later perhaps Germanic scots and Irish moved to Spain - like the similar looking basque people’s!!!??!!
I am a descendant of the o dalaighs of corca aidan bards and poets are the same thing these terms are Anglo Saxon not gaelic terms
Nope there is NO evidence of human sacrifice for any purpose just random comments by those who should know better