SOS Bros React - Mushoku Tensei Season 1 Episode 21 - Turning Point 2
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As a fellow WN/LN reader who completed the story, I'd like to share some trivia with you about this episode without spoiling anything further.
-If you're wondering where are they now, they are in the Red Dragon Mountains which is just before Asura Kingdom. And yes as the name says, it is filled with Red Dragons. a single red dragon is on par to a S rank Adventurer. but Red Dragons tend to move in Flocks. However they cannot fly above level ground, thats their only weakness. So people at the ground level near the area are at least safer than those climbing the mountains.
- If you're wondering why Rudy is stupid enough to talk towards Orsted even when told not to, he wasnt inflicted by the curse of Orsted. Even Rudy was quick to tell that Orsted is somehow "all-knowing" so it intrigued his curiosity and think he could trust his answer so he asked him about the mana disaster and even about Hitogami (Man-God)
- You can clearly see that when Ruijerd and Eris was engaging with Orsted, their Visibly Scared Faces still remain. The curse of fear from Orsted doesnt wear off even when you try to fight against it.
- Notice how Eris actually tried to use magic. Remember that Rudy taught her about magic. She was able to do a simple fireball spell to light a campfire before once but it seems the anime missed that and put that in here instead. Good call.
- From the mention of Orsted knowing Ruijerd and Eris' names without ever meeting them yet and knowing that Paul should only have two daughters...That's more than enough of a hint of what Orsted's power is capable of.
- It wasn't clear but Rudy was surprised to see a person (nanahoshi) with BLACK hair. He has never seen anyone in this world with black hair before. this can be fun for speculations
- A nice thing to point, Orsted's first attack on Rudy was to Damage his lungs severely. Its more than enough to Kill Rudy too since he will just suffocate. Since Orsted knows Rudy is a magic user, he thought damaging the lungs would not make him cast spells since you have to actually say the magic spell to be able to use them normally but what he didnt realize is Rudy uses incantationless magic. And since Rudy has almost a limitless amount of mana in him, he can still cast magic. that's why he can put up some fighting chance even while injured like this
-Orsted Techincally kind of saved everyone there when Rudy made that Fireball magic. During that time, Rudy was panicking and was trying to come up with the best offensive magic he can throw at Orsted. Before Rudy was scared with fire magic because he has too much mana and if he cant control it, it can cause some unnecessary destruction. When he was making this fireball, he put all his mana into it, imagining it to be a NUCLEAR bomb. So Orsted throwing that ball into another dimension was a good move. If orsted just tried to block it, it would cause a huge explosion and would definitely kill off both Ruijerd and Eris.
- This episode now introduced a new magic called "Disturb Magic". Seeing as Rudy is cunning you can imagine what he do with it. The other powers that Orsted uses are his own though.
- If you havent seen it, Orsted was visibly impressed to Rudeus' ability to do two separate incantation-less magic on each hand. He was also impressed when the Stone Cannon Rudy did to Orsted actually grazed him. Yes that was a graze.
- Notice how orsted only used his bare hands against Ruijerd and Eris but with Rudy, he had to use some magic against him. This point will be important later when you know Orsted's fighting style
-Orsted mentions later that Rudy has no "Magic Armour" considering he has a large amount of mana on par with laplace and is disappointed that he can simply impale him. It wasnt mentioned in the anime though. Yes there is a thing called "magic armour" that anyone with mana can use to make them at least tank some hits.
-Yes, Orsted's curse affects also Animals. Its why their horse just up and ran away.
- Orsted being able to Heal a fatally injured and near to death Rudy shows that there is really advanced Healing magic out there that can even do that. All Rudy knows is just hear wounds, bruises and broken bones. But heal up an entire major organ is a really complex one but it is possible.
-T BH I would've wanted this episode to end up to when Rudy Dies. It would keep alot of fans speculating but there is NO extra scene after Rudy dying. Once the scene with him talking to Hitogami (ManGod) starts, thats the moment he woke up and was alive next.
The rest will of course be explained in the future episodes. You guys think you would expect Rudy to run up to the Seven Great World Powers in order? Nahhh he meets the 2nd Great World Power immediately and got whooped! The animation in this is stunning as always! Dragon God wont take any bullshit!
I love how Orsted wiped their party and essentially killed Rudy, but the bros are like, we should consider that maybe he's a good guy. Why? Because the being that calls himself god said he's bad. Seriously, mortals these days. You hide your form so they don't go mad upon seeing you and they suddenly will never trust you because they can't see your face.
This comment was brought to you by the Apostles of the Man-God.
After Berserk the word 'Apostle' really brings up bad memories for me.
Mosaic hands typed this post.
Nice try Geese
Fun fact about the animation:
One of the reasons that Ruijerd vs Orsted showdown was so gorgeous, was because they rendered Orsted’s movements at the anime standard of 23-24 FPS, while halving that of Ruijerd’s movement animations at 12-13 FPS. They wanted to create a clear visual depiction of how far above Ruijerd that Orsted truly is, without it drawing too much attention away from the scene at large. And I think they did an incredible job with their choice. Considering Ruijerd has been basically far and above the strongest warrior we’ve seen in the series so far(aside from MAYBE Ghislaine), seeing him fail to even put up a decent struggle against this Orsted dude that sees him moving like a snail, is humbling to say the least lol. And opens the door for so much more insanity down the line
Just a thing to note with Ghyslaine... as far as that goes, Ruijerd outclasses even her, so it's quite the testament to Orsted's strength. Ruijerd is equated to a North Emperor in strength, Ghyslaine is a Sword King.
That is really great choice from the director and animation staff, I'm so glad this is a passion project
@@GaranNoDou298 is the whole “Ruijerd is as strong as a North Emperor” line in the actual anime? Because I don’t remember that tbh
@@jakewhite1760 it's in the LN
@@rudeusgreyrat7536 yeah that’s what I thought. No way for any anime-only to really understand that, then
The anime unfortunately left out this part of Orsted's dialogue:
“I see what’s going on, Ruijerd Superdia. You love children, so these two must be ones who were teleported to the Demon Continent during the incident. You brought them all the way here.”
This is why Rudeus wanted to ask Orsted about what he knows about the incident.
In the anime it seemed like the question came out of nowhere.
Really? I thought Orsted mentioning Ruijerd and Eris by name and then seeing Rudeus as someone unfamiliar was enough incentive for Rudy to ask what's up.
@@Ryuseishun Same for me. Orsted seemed like he knew quite a bit about them to prompt Rudy to ask a question. I know I would.
Rudeus also felt obligate to gather more info after the incident with Paul and Orsted was giving off this "I know it all" vibe. So yeah why not.
I'm glad they left that out. It feels better this way. Like Rudy is actually thinking based on the events immediately proceeding the question.
There's always a comment like this on every episode of every anime ever.
B-but the manga said this!
Who cares? Literally only people that read the manga. The anime did fine. Chill out and let them experience the show how they chose to.
If someone says they liked watching Game of Thrones I bet you're the type to just start shouting out inaccuracies compare to the books because you know and you want everyone in the room to know you know because if they don't know you know, how will they know how cool you are for knowing? They're experiencing it wrong!
Of course. Anyway I disagree that it's "unfortunate" to leave that part out.
If anything I'm glad they did just to spite you.
Basically Rudeus took note (implied) of how Orsted seem to know a lot, which causes Rudy to act the way he did to get answers.
The thing that tipped Orsted off about Rudeus being an apostle is when he ask about the "mana calamity". You can see the anime expressively animated the change in Orsted's expression.
That is actually a good point since afaik everybody else refer to the incident as "teleportation incident".
Damm i never saw that.
@@_raveagle oh yess i just noticed that
Light novel info: (no spoilers)
The intro scene was genius, it's as if we are affected by the curse since we know what could happen.
About why Rudeus talked to Orsted, since a few people hate him for doing it despite the signals Eris/Ruijierd were giving, Rudeus was completely safe until he mentioned the Man-god, he would have just been a weirdo for not being affected by the fear curse. The Dragon God actually seemed kinda polite, saying stuff to Ruijierd like "You seem well. That's good" (In the LN). You guys were on point 21:31 with how Rudeus felt when Orsted mentioned the Man-God, he just thought, "oh finally, something we're on the same page about!" Also Rudeus' social skills are quite literally that of an 11/12 year old, not reading the room is kinda understandable as he hadn't talked properly to anyone for 30 years before getting reincarnated. Rudeus also felt like Orsted might know something, with how knowledgeable he was of their identities, so his curiosity got the better of him. He didn't want to let and oppurtunity at more info slip by, as ignorance to this kind of info was what caused the fight with Paul. Another thing, Orsted only cocked his head and stopped like that after passing them (5:12) because he thought Ruijierd looked familiar; he couldn't recognise Ruijierd with his bald head + headband. Also the fact that Orsted vibrated in Rudeus' demon eye was not because of some special power, that's just showing how quickly he can react to even the slightest movement, which blurs into all those possibilities. Rudeus in LN said "If this vision was true, then in a second from now, there would be five of him." when Orsted was bearing down on him to kill.
Orsted crushed Rudeus' lungs, knowing that was the easiest way to take out a mage, as they cannot cast spells without speaking. Of course he didn't know about Rudeus' voiceless magic so that went wrong. You'll notice Orsted takes the most efficient route to defeating his opponent instead of just blasting them with some end-all attack. He exerts just as much force and speed as he needs, nothing more or less. The way Eris got pushed back was a Water God Sword Style called flow, which Rudeus saw Paul use on him once, yet Orsted's version was perfect compared to Paul's. Also when Rudeus points his hand in his mouth and uses wind magic, he's forcing air into his lungs seeing as they can't expand/contract to suck in air that well right now after getting squashed. Pretty cool thinking on his part despite the situation. "Disturb Magic" only works in a small area, which is why Rudeus could use magic in his left hand but not his right, where Orsted was disturbing the mana flow. Rudeus noticed this and took advantage of it to get further away by combining two types of magic to create a shockwave, which is what pushed Rudeus backwards. Orsted saw this combined magic and tried to copy it, just for kicks, which resulted in that Wyrm Gate mana absorber thing. It was skipped here, but during the fight Rudeus attempted to use the Beast Tribe's paralysing voice magic, and of course, it didn't work. Orsted saw this as just mana coalescing and then disappearing, which he found a little confusing.
When Rudeus fired that stone cannon off the floor, he intentionally set the speed, sharpness and hardness to the most he could possibly manage, while normally he has it blunted so to only knock out his target (unless they're monsters of course, but he still never puts in that much power). Also when he used the fireball, the reason it changed colours as it did was because Rudeus was using wind magic to add oxygen to it which naturally changed the fire's colour as it increased in temp. Once he fired it, it would have destroyed a great portion of the mountain range, as he was imagining a nuclear explosion (without fallout of course) This would be about 39,426 degrees Celsius or more (violet flame temp; 71000 degrees Fahrenheit), of course, I'm not a scientist so take that with a bucket of salt. You were close with the thing about the spell rising through different tiers, except the fireball was always just a beginner/intermediate spell, it never changed rank, but it would have the firepower of an imperial attack due to the amount of mana put into it, so in a way, yeah it was rising in tiers. Rudeus doesn't know any saint+ tier fire magic, so imperial level fire magic wouldn't really be possible. He was pretty depraved of rational thinking on the verge of death, as this attack would have killed everyone (apart from Orsted) there, Ruijierd, Eris, Nanahoshi, and Rudeus himself included. Probably why Orsted used a mana absorber instead of dogding/blocking, since he only wants Rudeus dead.
Unfortunately, Rudeus can't use voiceless healing magic, one of the few main schools of magic that he can't do silently. Orsted also doesn't know this and thinks that Rudeus isn't healing himself to make Orsted let his guard down for a sneak attack or the like, but ends up slightly disappointed when the fight ends without further trouble after turning Rudeus into a donut. Another skipped detail was that Orsted noticed that Rudeus wasn't wearing Touki (A technique that even non-swordspeople use without thinking to enhance their physical offense and defense by covering their body in mana, it's why swordsmen/women are so strong here. Rudeus can't use it for a reason that I hope is discussed in detail later on in the series). It's why Rudeus could never improve like Eris did, along with some lack of general talent for understanding sword techniques. Orsted says something along the lines of "Now you have apostles that can't even wear Touki? What are you plotting Man-God?".
As Orsted watched Eris crawling to Rudeus, he also said "Was he important to you? I'm sorry, Eris Boreas Greyrat. You'll understand one day."
Your comment is pleasantly informative without going into any spoilers. I approve!
@@spcraftsman2656 well I mean it's literally an excerpt from the novel lol.
Thank you for this writeup
When Orsted said "Paul shouldn't have a son", then it hits, at the ed of the show where our three characters are together, Rudues is always shown as white clouds/somewhat invisible. That indicates that he actually shouldn't be there. That is so good.
It's when Orsted brought it up that it sank in for me that Rudy is an anomly in that world. He technically should not exist at all. I remember someone saying that had Rudy not been reincarnated, the Rudy body he has taken over would've been stillborn at birth; taking care of the reason why he shouldn't be there in the first place.
Yes, I had exactly the same experience!
@@jjpark98 I advise you put a spoiler tag, just in case...
@@jjpark98 I mean that's logically speaking the only reason Orsted would have detailed info enough about Paul & Zenith's daughters, yet somehow not even knowing they had had a son, since it would have been a stillbirth (haha Soul go brrr to empty body), so he'd have no idea about Rudy having existed, since there's no data if a person never interacts with the outside world due to having been spawnkilled by fate or w/e RNG shit have you
@@jjpark98 That's actually a spoiler from the novels, I think turning point 4.
The fire spell Rudy used was on the level of a nuke and he Rudy was so messed up and desperate he just tried to make the hottest fire he could think of. He didn’t even think about oh if this spell actually explodes then it will kill everyone in this area.
I'm not a visual novel reader but here's my two cents.
Rudy also has the advantage of being from a modern day world with modern day technology. He can think of things that no other person in that world would think of when creating a spell since he exposure to a different world and technology. For example the ultra high spinning cone; very much akin to a gun with a bullet. Of course others in the world would think of "high speed projectile" to achieve something like that but Rudy who would know of a dangerous weapon such as a "gun" can think outside the box and come up with something like that and get different or better results. Or the mana fireball he created, he probably imagined it to be more akin to a nuke or a coronal mass ejection from the sun but others in the world wouldn't know what either of those things are and would just think of a massive fireball; perhaps limiting its destructive capability.
@@jjpark98 Also due to playing bidya gaems & reading light novels/watching anime etc, his mental visualization ability is already superior to the natives, since he can hold a mental image of anime-type magic attacks, visuals wise (combined w/ his understanding of physics, since it's partially based on physics-ish mechanics, but also partially based on mental imaging, so while you can't get on w/ either one exclusively, you can go to really OP degree by comboing both the visualizations & understanding how physics work and all that). Most ppl have to do those longass chants cuz they don't have that much mental imaging as to what X should look like (coherently enough to maintain the mental image that is, I'm sure they could maybe temporarily for a couple seconds maintain it, but without being ingrained to their psyche, it wouldn't last long enough to execute the parameters) since they don't get enough visual/mental stimuli in a shithole medieval world like this, obviously (Dragonkin like Orsted are different due to their pre-apocalypse civ being relatively advanced by magitek etc standards. Orsted literally didn't even bat an eye at Rudy confessing to him that he's not from this world but rather a reincarnation inside the body of Paul's deceased kid (the reason Orsted didn't know of their male kid, cuz it would have originally been a stillborn, so he'd have never met him), because Dragonkin can carry on forever by just Reincarnating, so it's a normal societal thing from Orsted's POV, so he is like "I see" without batting an eye at what he just said, especially since Dragonkin are THE foremost experts in Summoning Magic (and Time Travel magic as well, at least on sorta theoretical sense for the most part, outside of some OP Dragonkin doing R&D on Time Travel magic mechanics at any rate, but for most civvie Dragonkin, they'd know that it's theoretically at least possible, even if it'd be too unstable to be of any use realistically speaking), and since Summoning Magic can bring matter from worlds besides the Six-Sided World, they would know it's theoretically possible to pull shit from other worlds, just a matter of knowing the right Magic Circle combos & mental visualizations to pull some Human or w/e from another world, just like how Perugius Summoned his 12 followers, that are basically various energy entities of X aspect, such as Almanfi the Radiant being basically Light Energy taking humanoid form and all that, so maybe energy lifeforms exist in some other world or something, who tf knows)
@@bizarrosorcerer The fact that the spell is Demon God level implies that it ahs the power to reshape the land aka a Nuke
@@bizarrosorcerer didnt it say that in the case it detonated everything in the surrounding area would die instantly except for orsted?
he thinks about a nuke but is not sure if "fire ball" can be similar, so he just make the hottest fireball with whatever he can think (+ pure oxygen, +comprecion, etc).
1: Rudy indeed can't do incantationless healing since he doesn't understand it the way he understands the elements and other things from our world.
2: Scary thing is that while Orsted didn't know incantationless magic, in the manga, after watching Rudy do it, he instantly does it himself.
3: Rudeus' last spell was basically a nuke, indeed a "screw you, I'm taking you down with me" spell, thing is, it would have killed Eris, Ruijerd, and the entire freaking mountain.
4: Rudeus became afraid when he used the eye because he saw himself getting messed up, and while normally seeing the future allows him to change it, any action he took just made it so that another part of him got messed up, which is why he grabs his bodyparts in quick succession. Orsted was just to fast to counter, all he could do was change where he was getting hit so he was frantically looking for a way to escape his fate, but couldn't.
25:26 "Maybe that's why the Man-God only exists in those alternate dimensions so that the Dragon-God can't get to him."
Your guess being spot on.
The animation on this episode is just *chefs kiss*. The fights are fluid and gorgeously done (as always), and I also really like the animation on Rudeus's little moment of panic as he uses his eye and realizes what's about to happen to him. There's a clear frantic/panicked feeling with how he quickly grabs the different parts of his body, but it's really fluid and some nice extra detail. It genuinely feels like how someone might react if they could see a couple seconds into the future and realized they were about to get brutally murdered, but knew there's no real way to escape it.
I really want to know what the people who said they´d hate this show are thinking right now lol
nothing, because they're so blind with their hate of the show that they refuse to accept that anyone normal could possibly enjoy it. jokes on them
@@cosanchez124 "You watched Mushoku Tensei?! Well then I obviously know everything about you. Please allow me to criticize your existence and personal life based on nothing but the fact that you enjoyed this dastardly, depraved television show."
"What? Criticize the show? Why would I do that when I can keep making generalizations about large groups of people!?"
@@Kirathian1234 dude you just summed up every mushoku fans experience ever when talking about the show lol
@@Kirathian1234 Yeah, they are people new to anime who mostly watch battle shonen or whatever the dated MAL toplist suggests them. Seinen anime like MT are too complex for people who are just into unga bunga action scenes.
@@cosanchez124 not even hate for the show but hate for one character (Rudeus), because nobody can fathom the idea of a shitty person changing and trying to becoming a decent person
"Biggest Tsundere Granpa" holy shit you couldn't me more right😭😭
And from this point forward you shall forever dread the expression "turning point"
Two down, three more to go
everytime i reach a LN chapter and its called a turning point, I just feel pressure. Turning Point 3 made me cry for 2 polar reasons. Turning Point 4 blew my mind
I love how Eris' and Rudeus' relationship develops so naturally over the course of the story. You can already tell just HOW much different it is from the beginning or when they were just starting to get along, and imo that makes it so much easier to feel with them
Shout out to MT for having S tier physical fighting as well as S tier magical fighting. As much as the sparring match and the ruijerd fight were amazing, I just love the way Rudy used basic magic creatively in this fight. We really see wordless casting make him far superior to a regular mage even if they were higher level. From filling his lungs with air manually, to hiding his hand from disturb magic to gain distance with wind to just off hand creating a small Earth pillar to support his damaged body to making a basic fireball so pumped full of mana to be a nuke
Throw in also S tier writing, world building, character depth and development too
@@joemarang4645 oh yeah, I was speaking purely on the action
I just love the silent and minimalistic style of magic attack. No words, no big movements or shouts, just pure real way in attacking instinct in trying to kill your enemy
Orsted: Does the word "Man-God" mean anything to you?
Rudeus: Oh finally a fellow believer, we can be buddies
Orsted:.... omae wa mou shindeiru
Rudeus: Naniii?
Heresy. There is only one Goddess.
The fire was 100% changing color to display how hot it was going. Humans can't see more than "white hot" but with a special ultraviolet measuring device, the color can actually appear violet when hot enough.
The episode we've all been waiting for since the very beginning of this reaction series lol
Straight facts. Waiting every week was just like waiting while the show was airing.
The reason why Rudeus cant silent cast healing magic from my understanding is because he hasn't practiced it as much and doesn't have the proper knowledge. In the beginning when he first did silent casting he said their was a formula to it ( Element - Size - Speed) and he figured that out through months of practicing the same spell over and over again to the point that it was second nature. his creativity with the elemental spells comes from a basic knowledge of physics (shown when he makes steam, hot air, and the graduation spell cumulonimbus). he doesn't have that much practice with healing magic (only having to heal small bruises, cuts, scrapes etc.) nor does he have the practical medical knowledge to logic his way through a formula because that's what the incantations are for. They call forth the element set the size and speed for the caster so that anyone with the mana for it can cast a little and its the same with healing spells he just hasn't figured them out yet to the same degree as his attack magic.
I think it was something like he knew how the periodic elements worked, so elemental magic, but he didn't understand biology like cell division or something, so no healing without incantation. But since sylphy can do both, she has an innate ability to understand the magic, because rudeus taught her as a child. I think.🤷♂
Well that is part of it. Though part of it was that when he was kid and his mind was still malleable enough to learn voiceless healing he did not have the right opurtunity to use it in practice, so he wasn´t able to grasp how magic flows when healing. (Sylphie actually joined Zenith in her "medical clinic" so she got plenty of hands on experiance while still a little kid.)
@@sojtus8681. Pretty sure he explicitly state he just doesn't understand healing like he does fire and the other elements that he would learn in basic science classes. I don't think just using it more would have helped at all without that understanding.
@@Granxious That was just his theory when trying to figure out why he cant cas voicless healing (later he relizes it was wrong). You don't even really need to know how physics work to be able to do voicless spellcasting. It's about grasping how mana flows when casting,( before your brain becoms dependent on incantations. That is why only little cildren can learn it.)Afterall when teaching it to Sylphie (and others) he only talked about grasping the feeling , not about physics.
Where his knowladge comes in is the complexity/power of the spells he can do. That is something that he couldn't utilize without voiceless casting, but it is not the reason he can do voicless casting.
And thus comes a close to Episode 21, and officially introducing the saying, "Fool me once, Shame on you. Fool me twice, Shame on me." to anyone who thought Turning Points wouldn't be that scary.
If that is so you will get fool 5 times if the anime does adapt all of the ln.
Been waiting a long time for this. These last few episodes are absolute bangers.
The 11 servants belong to Perugius, not Laplace.
When you’re caught up with the light novel, revisiting these situations is so satisfying!
When the man you have never seen struggle or break a sweat gets tossed like a rag doll, you know shit is getting real.
One great piece of trivia on that episode is the fireball that Rudeus made.
You can see the color shifting over time as the temperature gets hoter, from (coolest) red -> yellow -> """green""" -> blue -> purple (hottest). The idea is that the hotter the fireball gets, the more energy is send out and the wavelength of the light gets shorter and shorter as it carries more energy.
But the real cool stuff comes from the green. There is nearly no green here, it goes yellow -> white -> blue. And the reason behind it is the fireball isn't uniform in its temperature. You're not looking at a single lightsource, but at millions of different lightsource that constanly fluctuates in their temperature and so, in the exact color of the light they emit. So what the color you end up seeing, is just the 'average' color of the ball. And when the green color is the dominant wavelenght, because green is in the middle of the visible spectrum, the color you see will have just as much red and yellow as blue and purple. So on average, it's white. This is why there is no green star in the universe, we just see them as white. Our Sun is white for that exact reason.
SPOILER
The nuke spell is only created way latter
Loved how much speculation you gave on Dragon God. I've been subscribed for almost 3 years and this is probably one of my favorite reactions to date.
The entire god proxy war here is the most interesting part of the series in my opinion. Proxy wars from a pantheon have been in literature since as far back as the Iliad and god knows what other myths and epics. So as a literature nerd having an anime series do this ancient "trope" justice is just *chef's kiss*.
Great analysis you guys! but you missed one key detail which is that Nanahoshi is the only character we've seen that has black hair.
To be fair to anime onlies, we've seen a lot of variety and in the LN, that detail was explicitly stated so it's much harder to notice
Haven't seen the full reaction yet so idk if they mentioned it but also that Hitogami says everything in this world is scared of him, yet Nanahoshi isn't
Also
Her glaringly obvious Japanese name
@@kyrusxi They theorize that the mask gives her resistance
@@Pugnt SOS Bros again overlooking the obvious for some obscure reasoning haha
But I genuinely forget what the mask is for it's been a while since I read the WN
@@kyrusxi she's known as silent seven star and wants to keep herself a secret I believe
The grimiest part about this entire fight is that he really wasn't even going all out 💀
Even I as an anime only viewer has seen enough anime to know when a person is holding back or isn't even using their full power. Though it is curious to note that he acknowledged that Rudy might be on par with Laplace; really curious to know how powerful Rudy actually is. Though one thing I hope Rudy eventually does learn is how to heal himself incantationless which I'm curious alongside Orsted why he hasn't learned to do it without an incantation.
@@jjpark98 Only Rudeus mana pool is on par with Laplace, its like Rudeus had the same amount of fuel but his car, engine, etc was way weaker than him
I mean... he cant go all out, if you want to now why i can tell, is not a major spoiler but there is a reason
Something that I found a little inconvenient when watching this video is that clothes with a multi-color print, like the shirt Jacob is wearing here, make it a lot harder to see and distinguish what is happening in certain scenes of the show, since the image in the window is transparent (sorry I tried to explain it the best I could with my broken English). I am not the only one having that problem, am I? I think for videos in this format, wearing a plain t-shirt or something like that would make it much easier to see everything on the screen. Jacob kinda got the short end of the stick with this one, since he's always on the left, where the window is lol
I didn't have this problem, but I understand...
48:09 Considering we first hear her name in the context of shitty off brand japanese food at on of the restaurant in the LN floof, that’s hilarious
I love this episode so much, the animation, the way it builds up tension, Eris' emotions, it's just perfect.
I have to say, has a novel reader that knows everything about the show, it was really interesting listening to your thought process and theories! It really shows how much you pay attention to the episodes. I think you will like where this show will be heading in the future!
I read somewhere that ornsted crush rudeus lungs because for a normal caster if he can't speak the battle is over, but rudeus can cast without the spell, thats why ornsted say "why didn't you heal your lungs ?", but (i don't know if this is spoiler or not) healing magic is the only magic rudeus can't cast without saying the spell
You are correct. For Rudeus to cast incantation-less magic, he needs to know at least a decent amount of how the phenomenon works scientifically. For example, when he creates a Cumulonimbus spell, he makes it even better by guiding the hot and cold air in the way that would naturally make one, and not just creating it based on the spell name alone
However, he doesn't know that much on how the human body naturally regenerates wounds, so he can't picture it and can't recreate it without incantation either.
@@garagara4849 tbf that's just Rudy's own interpretation of why he can't do it. It doesn't explain why Sylphy could cast Healing incantationless since there is no way for her to understand human biology etc. and how the spell would fix humans/animals/plants etc.
The only thing we know objectively about incantationless magic is that you have to learn it from a young age.
Theory wise we know that the casters talent and/or mindset plays a role - as shown by Rudy since he believes he can't do it.
Scientific knowledge is not something that is needed but it could be that it is easier to learn magic when you have it. Alhough in Rudy's case it backfired in the healing department since he bases all his incantantionless magic on science.
@@Jakokokoroko That's true, for Sylphy, it might be best to limit it to imagination since it covers the "realistic" approach from Rudeus and maybe an "instinctual" approach in her case. Maybe her elven blood helps in that department? Who knows at this point.
On a side note, I've seen you for many years on different comment sections at this point and it's really cool to see you give more details so that people enjoy the shows better / have a better understanding!
...though on a side note that sounds a little more stalkerish than I intended haha
Either way, it was always an aspect I found super curious in the LNs (and now anime)
@@garagara4849 lol, it's always weird when people say they recognize me from other comments since I feel like I don't comment that much compared to a lot of other people overall. So I don't really have a grasp on whether anybody has any idea who the hell this rando is that's writing so much stuff, haha.
I love giving details and additional info about shows and series, especially the ones I really love. Mushoku Tensei is by far my favorite Isekai and ever since I first read it when the WN was still being uploaded in Japanese years ago I always hoped to one day see an Anime of it. But I also knew that if we ever got an Anime it would be a cheap 12 episode long, "read the novel!"-type of cashgrab adaptation so I was over the moon with joy when I first saw the first Mushoku Tensei trailer - you could immediately tell how passionate this studio is in bringing this series to life.
We really hit the jackpot with this adaptation. The only other adaptation that I enjoy as much as this in comparison to its source material has to be Hunter X Hunter 2011.
@@Jakokokoroko Oh yeah, the VERY minor details that happened to be left out here or there in the mushoku adaptation are so insignificant overall that we really couldn't wish for more
And it's not just "adapting", it's making the whole world come alive, from the world building to the languages, the intro sequences and songs and so much more! I would say that I wish it continues being this good but since the studio was made specifically for this series, I'm pretty sure we have nothing to worry about!
And yeah I'd agree with you on the 2011 HxH adaptation too! There are a lot of scenes that got so much more interesting compared to the manga (not entirely at fault of the manga though, I feel like it would've been better as a LN personally)
And yeah I totally get the giving out more details part, I like to do that often too, though sometimes I get lost in my own mind and give misinformations... So I try to keep them limited haha
Personally I love ReZero and Mushoku about equally, but it's a bit unfair to judge since ReZero is still ongoing so I'll take a step back once it's finished... Though I have a feeling they will probably stay as equals for me. They're different but really shine in their own unique ways. It's a shame that the 3rd Isekai in the trio isn't quite there yet in terms of quality (Slime), though it's still really good and has some better aspects as the other 2
Going back on Mushoku, I actually started reading when the anime was announced not that long ago. I had always heard about it, since I'd been reading ReZero for a while before but experiencing all of it at once was an amazing experience that I can safely say, is completely different from anything I had ever read.
I mean... An isekai where you live the story of one person? And not a plot point as the main focus? Yeah it was incredible (not saying the plot isn't great, mind you, just that it isn't the main focus)
When Rudy met Kishirika and got his demon eye of foresight in the LN, it was actually Kishirika who told rudy that his mana pool was similar to / greater than Laplace's. I don't think Orsted mentioned anything about it in the LN.
Kishirika only said he was disgusting without further explanation and Orsted did mention it. Badigadi was the one that explained it to Rudeus later on
@@quitw18 I had to go back and double check hahaha, as I was pretty certain. She does call rudy "disgusting" very similarly to the anime n all that, but soon after also mentions the mana pool. Rudy doesn't really understand what that means, tho, and in that sense her saying that doesn't mean much to Rudy.
A bit more than to prove the point, but to give a bit context as well & showcase the internal monologue to not-yet-LN-readers :D
(Volume 4 Chapter 2)
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"Oh?" Her right eye spun around and turned blue. G-gross! "Whoa! Whoa! What's wrong with you, you're horrifically disgusting! What is this, what is it?! Ahahaha! I've never seen this before!" she shouted with far too much excitement as she looked at my face.
Uh, yeah, needles to say that was a shock. It had been a long time since I last had someone look me in the face and call me disgusting. Then again, I'd just thought the same thing when I looked at her. So at least we were even.
"Could that be it? Were you a twin in the womb, but the other one died when you were born, is that it?"
... Huh? What the heck was she talking about? "No, I don't think anything like that happened."
"You're sure?"
"Yeah."
"But your mana pool. It's larger than Laplace's."
My what was bigger than who? I had no idea what she was talking about. From her weird way of speaking, to her freaky eyes, this kid was quite the disappointment.
"That aside, state your name!"
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Not a WHOLE lot is missed in the anime but mostly just stuff that isn't properly given the proper attention. On the night that Rujeird and Eris are training and he tells her that she can officially call herself a warrior it was actually Eris's birthday turning 15.
Now for the introduction of Orsted. He was actually chatting amicably with Rujeird and Eris. Like he wasn't being intimidating besides his curse. That's why Rudy called out to him to ask him about the displacement incident.
Now for parts about the fight against Orsted v Rudy. Orsted actually popped both Rudy's lungs and disrupted many other organs all at once. Rudy swallowing that air was to reinflate his lungs so he wouldn't black out for oxygen deficiency. When he used that wind blast to put distance between him and Orsted he commented on how it's impressive he can use 2 schools of magic simultaneously. And for the Cou-de-gras, the fireball Rudy fired off was using his knowledge from our world. He made it burn so hot and the ball of fire so strong that had Orsted let it actually impact him the explosion would have killed everyone present easily. Except maybe Orsted himself of course.
Eris actually also calls for Paul's help too despite hating his absolute guts still.
Oh and Rudy's healed injury is described as looking like he's had the area where he was pierced looks like it was welded back together
Too bad the bros will never read this.
@@user-dj9iu2et3r Yeah it's unfortunate but I mostly type these out for people that are anime onlies
You will be mind blown how deep this show gets 3 seasons in 😂😂 although obviously it won’t go nearly into the amount of detail as the light novel
But first ED rudy
The diary in the second ED was really a sweet thing to add for novel readers
@@reachthezora1912 damn, I never noticed that
@@reachthezora1912 especially that diary...
@@reachthezora1912 I'm pretty sure that's not "the diary," but it's close enough!
this is why I love this channel, you guys commentaries are always so insightful
When Jacob wears a shirt with logo on it the YT video is basically unwatchable lol, compare the visibility of this one to Episode 18. Night and day.
Glad someone finally noticed the issue :,)
Dragon God's Hole is a separate geographic feature. They're at the Lower Jaw of the Red Dragon.
The Dragon God's Hole is on the spur of the mountain range that forms the northern boundary of Conflict Zone, a ceaseless warzone of ephemeral statelets trying to maintain a modicum of power before being overrun. The Hole itself is the largest labyrinth in the setting, with over a thousand levels. The top of it is open and air gusts swallow red dragons that stray too close and they're consumed by the labyrinth. Labyrinths are essentially genius loci-level monsters with a central mana crystal with a guardian it has lured there.
Your insight about Orsted is right! Orsted would take time to observe something that he haven't seen before and that makes him somewhat of a weakness to him. He KNEW every spell and sword styles, seeing something new ticks his curiosity. About the futures, that was Dragon God Urupen's work on Orsted, and dragon god spells are complex compared to the human spells.
Lvl 20 character? That guy probably lvl 100+😂😭
This week has been back to back bangers Fruba Yaiba and now MT 3 days in a row with some of the best eps of each series.
TP2 is soooo gooood. The execution was brilliant. Orsted has the jojo menacing Sfx being released automatically constantly. RIP bull-kun. That was anime original and it was a brilliant way to show how insane Orsteds curse is. Deep lore greatness great reaction and discussion
This episode gave me chills that I hadn't had in a good while. Love this series. Its honestly my favorite series of recent times. I can't wait for the next season to come around.
you had lost me there when you said "you're going to his backyard"
That's the most hilarious thing I ever heard in this episode
One thing about power levels - dragons are level higher then non dragons i.e. dragon king is around demon/sword/magic emperor, dragon emperor is similar in power to a demon/sword/magic god. Dragon God Orsted is well... beyond.
The curse Man God spoke of, that is holding him back, makes him need to ramp up his power slowly, making sure he needs to use that amount, before actually doing it. So this bare handed fight was him thinking "no need for weapons".
And also, he is not a wizard. Or at least not only a wizard. He is THE BEST not at one, or many, but ALL techniques ever created. So God ranked in all sword and magic styles that are and aren't known to mankind.
I love that theory on the ManGod's ethereal nature.
"I'm not going anywhere near the physical realm, the DragonGod would kick my teeth down into my ass!"
This episode was dope with Rudeus and his party vs the Dragon God! This was definitely a turning point 👍
Watching Eris ' improvement over the season through her spars is very satisfying
Any time you have a show that makes viewers go "Wait, that's the end of the episode?? That felt so short" MUltiple times in a eason, you know its something special.
The Man-God is pretty clearly wrong that Orsted was the one who brought Rudy tot his world, because like you said he would probably recognize Rudy if he did. But is it a deliberate lie or was it an assumption the Man God made because he cannot see the Dragon God's actions? And even that part about not seeing him might not be true.
The way I interpreted the scene when Orsted collapsed his lungs is that Rudy's future sight showed him a half dozen ways to day. That's why his hands are going up and down his whole body, he's trying to figure out what and where to protect himself. Orsted is just too powerful and fast and can adjust his attack fast enough against Rudy.
I recommend everyone go through watching that scene again paying special attention to the sound. It really deserves your full attention at least once. Really elevates the scene.
Perugius is the one who had the 12 servants. Laplace doesn't have such, only Demon Kings he'd recruited to his side.
Armored Dragon King Perugius, Dragon God Urupen, and the human hero Kalman were the three survivors of twelve heroes sent to defeat Laplace. Ruijerd butted in that fight as well, landing a wound on Laplace.
Rudy's "Fireball" was actually noted to be God-ranked. If Orsted didn't neutralized it, it would have killed everyone apart from him and destroyed a significant chunk of the mountain range. It's a nuke, basically.
I don't think so. God rank do even more, only attacks that change the majority of the world are god rank. For example: the god slash that create the road to Milishion country, or split the continents and create a sea in the middle of the map. A nuke is not strong enough for a God rank
I've been waiting for this episode for ages, I havn't even watched it yet!
THANK YOU!
I'm anime only, this is just a theory, but here's what I thought when I saw this episode:
Nanahoshi is clearly a name written in Japanize, both "nana" and "hoshi" are definitely words I've heard people say in anime, so she might be reincarnated too. That would explain how she can be alongside Orsted ignoring the curse.
I'm not sure if the Man-God was talking about Orsted when he mentioned a Dragon God before, that might've been a translation thing and the word for "god" is different in the original, but if he was, that makes him being with a reincarnation even more likely.
So, Nanahoshi might have noticed how Rudy isn't affected by the curse and suspected him to also be reincarnated, and Orsted might have spared him because of it (maybe for the same reason he has Nanahoshi with him, who knows)
Why Orsted wouldn't have realized it himself? Not sure, but considering he has a "doesn't matter" in pretty much every sentence he says, maybe he just wasn't invested enough to think of it. He feels really apathetic towards everything, as if he doesn't care at all about the world around him.
I love how everything about the Man-God is given in his name. He is a “man.” A “human.” Which means he is inclined to lie for his advantage.
Fucking incredible reaction, the discussion after the reaction was sooo good, and as a novel reader it's amazing hearing their thoughts. The next episodes are going to be a gut punch 👀
I could go find the LNs to read it all, but I think I can handle the slow drip of the anime. Here’s to the upcoming seasons!
Tbh I would recommend reading the early LNs anyway even if you prefer to wait for future seasons before reading ahead just because the LNs have a fair bit of interesting extra stuff and some added context.
I would recommend reading the LN solely for the many POV shifts in it. A lot of characters get their own POV chapters in the novel that really flesh them out so we don't just see the world of MT through Rudeus' eyes in the LN but also through that of lots of other really good characters. One thing we sadly didn't get in the Anime for example is a very very good and insightful Zenith POV chapter around the time the whole Paul affair came to light. Seriously, all the POV chapters are huge highlights and while I love the Anime to death so far - the fact that they might exclude some more of them in the future makes me a little bit sad - but hey, that's what the LN is for. :)
@@JakokokorokoI love all of the references to other anime in the LN.
This godly war feels like a chess game with handicaps.
Like the Man-God can only see his side of the board, so he sends apostles to scout out Orsted's moves. And Orsted knows every move that will be played, but can't see the clock so he has to manually orient himself on the timeline.
Man coming back to this reaction after reading the LN is somewhat cathartic.
Rudy really was ready make the mountain not be made of mountain anymore
Just gonna explain Rudy's thinking a little bit.
Rudy thought Orsted sounded friendly talking to Eris and Ruijerd, so he thought it was okay to talk to him. Like you said he also felt like Orsted was the type of person who knew a lot of things which is why he asked him questions. Then he was excited to finally meet someone who knew the Man God because he still didn't fully trust him and wanted more information. Obviously all this backfired tremendously lol.
This Isekai is something special.
I've watched this one episode at least a dozen times and it still hits every time.
Loving all your predictions, can't wait to see the revelations animated down the line.
6:00 "A level 20 character just walked past you."
Me: Is 20 the max level here?
They're dnd players. 20th level is max level for a player in dnd.
@@VTheTuber Oh, thanks for the info.
@@Master10k2 np
I don't read the LN, but someone pointed out that Rudeus can't do incantless healing spell because he doesn't know how to visualize that in his head. We have seen how he visualizes water, but he doesn't know how to do that for healing spells.
You know what's more sad is that this was the day when Eris turned 15
Also I'm so excited for the next episode and I really want them to react to the lyrics for the season 1 ed ONLY before the end of this season
Really? is that stated anywhere in Ln 6? i cant recall at all.
@@patcharapolarunwatthanangk2579 she told Rudeus before they had sex that her birthday was the day when Ruijerd told her she can call herself an Adult/Warrior
@@patcharapolarunwatthanangk2579 Yes and Ruijerd said "Ichi nen mae" which means a year has passed, he meant it was her birthday.
@@nikumeru i need chapter reference and page number. A year has pass is super non specific. Also, how did Ruijerd know Eris’s BD? I actually think Eris’s BD is somewhere on the journey from that mountain to Fittoa.
page 267 (physical, non revised) "you may not have realized it, but it was the day Ruijerd told me I was an adult"
OMG i had been waiting so long for this reaction and it didn't dissapoint HAHAHA
Dope things about the fight
-While Ruijerd wasn't able to land a blow let alone a scratch, Rudy's staff-less reinforced Rock bullet was enough to land a hit and hurt his hand
-Rudy pumped his lungs with an air blast to not faint, since Orsted collapsed both of them
-In the novel Orsted was surprised that Rudy was doing voiceless melded chanting and attempted to duplicate it on the spot
-Rudy can't do voiceless healing since he "doesn't get it", this implies that if Rudy had medical knowledge on the level of a surgeon he could do something since most of his tricks rely on scientific knowledge
-The purple fire ball certainly was on the level of a Nuke, the color went through the spectrum which is a nice detail for the anime. Orsted said that it was on the scale of the Demon God Laplace, making it a chantless, staff-less god ranked fire spell so it'd have killed everyone but Orsted and flattened the mountain
-Orsted casted a healing spell capable of regrowing limbs, important organs and not leave a scratch. This shows that Dragon God Orsted is at least God ranked in healing, Water God style (counters) and North God style (tank stance)
I was so looking forward to this. You finally met DA GOAT
Turning Point 3 comes in 2023!
They just released a Season 2 trailer! Go check it out!!
God in this world is just a title. Like magic and in sword. They call it from intermediate, advance, saint, king, emperor and god level if they are the strongest of that technique. I think the fireball casted by rudy is in emperor level fireball and rock projectile is in king level.
I can't say much without LN spoilers but his rock projectile is emperor level and most of the spells rudeus uses is atleast on king level when fighting seriously.
23:18 That is an interesting thought. I've always felt like it varies a lot depending on what the godlike being is. Some arrogant demiurge like figure or the likes tends to be better while backhanding people for daring to get in the way. While less human more neutral godlike beings feel better when they tend to not really care. A good example I can think of for a highly arrogant still powerful yet pretty petty godlike being is Lord Foul. Kind of feel like this really depends massively on the role of the character.
new mushoku tensei pv just droped today
"Turning Points" in Mushoku Tensei is always amazing!
Kinda sad how Eris just got recogbized as a warrior and Dragon God just said "Haha syke"
Hm. Maybe the Dragon God does 'closed loop' reincarnation, just of people in and from this world, but Man-god's out there in the smoke realm tossing in random sentients from other planes of existence for shits and giggles, and the Dragon-god's beef with the Man-god basically equates down to "STOP PUTTING CATERPILLARS IN MY TERRARIUM!" 😁
I now need a show where magic is in the form of raps
Listening to the reaction I'm not sure if someone else cleared it up but the 12 familars you mention of Laplace was actually of Perugius when they mentioned it in the first part. Almanfi who came to kill Rudeus during the mana calamity is one of them.
Its actually Laplace got defeated by 12 servants of Perugius and himself
fun fact, the purple fireball rudeus used is comparable to god tier magic
whoooo boy... been a while since a show made me go "ayo, what the fuck am I watching right now?!"
Great reaction and discussion as always guys, your discussion is really good and some of it was on point even to novel reader, buckle up for 2 more S tier episode
I like how they point out that rudeus still can make mistakes 21 eps
I do like the idea at the end is like “you should repair his body and see if he is revived”
I'm so glad they didn't drop this show because of Rudy like some others did! This episode solidified my love for this show and made me start the light novel
"Orsted leaving fits...."
fits....
fitz....
0_o
Orsted out here making Rudy-donuts like he watching a cooking show.
Idk if this is spoilers or not, but
The name of the event that teleported everyone has three names and I think the name Metastasis event is the proper name of it because that fully describes what actually happened, The manga, anime and light novels all call it something different which is very tricky to get an actual definition of it
Oh boy, oh boy - here we go! *clicks play
about the fizzle thing with orsted where rudy can't see. it's basically impossible to predict orsted's next move. at the same time there are thousands of possibilities out there and rudy can't clearly see which it is. it also shows he has no weak points in physical combat, as there is already a move in his arsenal for every attack
Rudeus simultaneously saw 5 ways he could be killed before Orsted did one, and he couldn't do anything to stop it. That's horrifying.
Ah yes, the donut episode.
Rudy was able to cast his spells despite his collapse lung is because chantless spellcasting. Rudy can cast healing spells but wasn't able to in this encounter. Because Rudy isn't as proficiency on healing and isn't able to do because he can chantless healing spells.
Spoilers about dragon god
His father was the first dragon god and his mother was human god's daughter, that's why he has human features.
Discussion start: 14:06
I think this episode made me realised that nanahoshi is the only character with black hair in the series so far and she has an Japanese name too. What's even crazier that when rudeus died, they mentioned someone missing other than 2 guys during the accident at the first few minutes of ep 1. Which leaves the girl. My theory is that that girl that rudeus saved at the accident, got teleported rather than reincarnated due to her hair colour and physical appearance. Then again, I might be looking too much into it. Maybe I'll see the answer in 2nd season.
Light/Web novel readers thinking that presenting spoilers as theories makes them look smart.
@@yohane-samaslittledemon5902But I'm not a light novel reader at all 😅 heck, Idk if my theory is even right considering i only based it on her name and hair colour. Her presence was a bit suspicious tbh
@@yohane-samaslittledemon5902 I honestly struggle to draw the line sometimes, on one hand all of this is logical and can be reached by just actually watching the series attentively. Nanahoshi's names is mentioned before this episode, Rudy explicitly states that he has met 0 black-haired people, the names in this world are LARGELY European, except for Ogres which seem to be this world's Japanese, and even then they only share culture, the names are still weird. So everything aside from one of the things he said are possible to reach by just using brain power.
30:43 Just time stamping this