While I know this was incredibly painful for the man shot, it's a important video for everyone to see. Let's all agree to disagree about what kind of "safety" we prefer. Frankly, I have both, and I like both. I don't carry in that position due to being in a wheelchair. When I do carry on my belt it's either at the 3 or 4 o'clock position, otherwise I carry in a fanny pack. I hope the gentleman in the video makes a full recovery, and quickly. I was happy to see at the end of the clip that someone was rendering aide so quickly.
USCCA , yes I do have some, and I'm more than happy to share from my own experience. First and most importantly, find the gun "you can comfortably shoot ", and have your rounds hitting your target. As to the caliber of your gun, it's what you can get on target that matters. Remember that a well placed 22caliber bullet can be as fatal as a 40 caliber. Whatever you're shooting when you're not on the range, load up with personal defense rounds.I'm getting the point where I'm having difficulty "racking" my pistols the normal way, so I'm going back to lessons from my tactical shooting instructor, using the side of my wheelchair for the leverage needed when my hands won't cooperate. Practice as often as possible, and not just static shooting. Take a tactical class, join a club where you have tactical competitions. This point is very important, find your "right holster. Like everyone else, it's a trial and error process. Some like on belt holsters, some prefer shoulder holsters, and others are into the beĺlyband holsters. As I said, everyone has different needs. Let's just make sure we support one another.
He was carrying in a g code incog holster. You can hear him and the guy chatting "That's why you have to practice", which leads me to believe he was a newbie to carrying and got the most "tactical" holster he could. After carrying with a regular kydex for over 2 years, I recently picked up one of the new g code phenom holsters. I don't recommend these holsters to newbies, they don't have that positive, loud "click" like kydex ones do and you can't just throw it in there like you would a kydex holster. I personally think he had some shirt caught in there and half assed it into the holster, and when he bent over, he pushed the gun into the holster while also tightening up the shirt, pulling the trigger. Be very careful when reholstering guys, fast out and slow/deliberate in.
Thanks, Kevin. This is a big reason why I carry a hammer fired pistol. When I reholster I rest my thumb on the hammer. If the trigger gets caught up in clothing I will feel the hammer pulling back and can avoid a discharge. It takes some training and familiarization, but gives me a great deal of reassurance.
The gun didnt go off when he reholstered the weapon, it went off when he bent over. In this case a hammer wouldnt have made any difference...if you think having a hammer on your gun prevents accidental and negligent discharges you are mistaken.
@@broot1375 Right. It probably would not have made any difference if the pistol was DA/SA, and his shirt snagged the trigger. It would have to have been a single-action only pistol with the safety on to have made any difference.
@@broot1375 now we can agree That having a firearm Puts us at more risk for a firearm accident. That’s a fact that can’t be argued. However a hammer fired Da/Sa may have prevented this. Because the lonnnmgg da pull that is 8-12 pounds may have stopped this. Also, when he bent over, if his body was pushing against that hammer, it wouldn’t have fired. I can hold my thumb on the hammer and my gun becomes inoperable, That’s not theory, I’ve tried. So him being bent over his body may have been against the hammer. So the dasa hammer fired is not full proof, a lot more has to happen compared to a striker fired gun without a manual safety….sorry Glock guys
Yeah...ive got a few da/sa pistols. Holding thumb on hammer can stop it but the soft tissue of your body while leaning over certainly isnt going to prevent hammer from traveling. If it makes you more confortable carryin a sa/da pistol..by all means you should...but they certainly have drawbacks. One big one is when you have an exposed hammer something can get trapped between pin and hammer preventing discharge when needed...especially with one like my hk p30 that has a huge opening there...
@@broot1375 how is that happening, are you carrying your gun cocked? The military arms channel tested hammer fired guns against water, Dirt, sand and mud, worked Great On my hammer fired guns soft tissue would stop it from firing because it takes very little pressure with my the thumb
@@CleverBryan1 I'm not pointing it at anything while it is sitting on a shelf. It won't go off unless it is in my hand, or on my body in a dangerous location with an inadequate holster.
@@CleverBryan1 is a holster the same thing as a safe? Is pointing something at the inside of a safe equivalent to pointing it at whatever is behind the safe? If I point my pistol at the ground am I going to kill somebody in China?
Forget the family jewels, worry about the Femoral artery. Collected wisdom from internet - medical sources only - depending on how severe the damage to the FA and the victim's general medical condition, a person shot in the Femoral artery has from 20 seconds to 4 minutes to live. But, they have much less time to be conscious. If it is a major severing of the artery you will likely be unconscious in less than one minute, and you'll be fading before that. But don't worry - if you get shot there whilst in a hospital you still MAY have a 50 50 chance to survive it. Any other place - well, best to have your affairs in-order, just in case. {An injury of this type "essentially means you can lose all the blood in your whole body within five minutes," said Dr. Mary Pat McKay, director of George Washington University's Center for Injury Prevention and Control.}
@@mcmneverreadsreplys7318 You are quite right about the femoral artery. At the beginning of August, in Tucson Arizona, there was a 40 year old roofing contractor doing repairs to a school roof. He was also carrying appendix stile with out a holster. First of all he was breaking the law by carrying on school property. While working his firearm discharged and the round ruptured his Femoral artery, he was dead by the time the ambulance arrived. His negligence cost him his own life and left his wife and four kids without a provider.
This is exactly why I just switched from my Canik TP9 Elite Combat with nothing but a trigger drop safety to an M&P m2.0 Compact with a thumb safety, I'll note be comfortable carrying with one in the chamber and keep that safety on at all times when holstering
The only question here is what exact holster was he using... it almost had to have some sort of leather or fabric that folded over onto the trigger area... a full kydex holster wouldn’t let that happen.
It was a kydex holster. You can see in this video he rips it out of his pants and throws it to the ground and you can hear the plastic hit the tile. ua-cam.com/video/Cf5cW1uh21c/v-deo.html
This is why I carry one in chamber with a thumb safety. If you dry fire regularly, unholstering while taking the safety off will happen almost simultaneously. Then safety on when holstering.
First gun I bought was a PPS M2. I carry that with an empty chamber, but recently purchased a Hellcat with a manual safety to replace it as my usual carry. That way, I can confidently carry with one in the chamber and know that even a faulty holster or something stupid from me won't cause it to go off. I love carrying my Beretta 92FS for safety reasons, but it's harder to conceal in comparison to the Hellcat.
Wow cool don't hear much about people (aside from cops and criminals) carrying guns outside the US. I know this is an old comment but I'd be curious to hear about what it's like buying guns or holsters and ammo, in terms of what you have access too. What do you carry?
I carry appendix at the 1-2 o’clock position, it’s the most comfortable for me. I have back issues so carrying at 4 bothers me when I need to sit and 3 is just annoying. Appendix is the only position where I forget about my gun
Very true. It faster way to draw because it is right infront of me. What is more important is to buy quality belt quality holster and be sure about the firearm you carrying not forgetting finger off the trigger untill you ready to shoot
I'm curious to know more about the holster he was using. Was it kydex? Hybrid? Leather? The rigidity of the holster, especially in the AIWB position can make a big difference.
Greg Howard That is the question, what brand holster? If it's a soft holster then it's most likely a holster related problem like it didn't bottom and bending over pushed the pistol into the holster itself. If it was a hard sided holster then he needed to holster the wepon before he put it AIWB.
It wasn't easy to see in this video when the guy threw the holster on the ground as the inset video was too small, but it didn't look like a typical kydex holster you usually see with AIWB carriers.
I will appendix carry when I'm doing certain activities. My rules is to have the gun in the holster and put the holster in my waist band, not put the gun in the holster when I've already got the holster in my pants.
You both are right first thing I learned many moons ago in carrying a weapon was good belt is the foundation, then a good holster, period. Don't cheapin out on the most important accessories in carrying a weapon.👍🏿
stock_glock all my holsters except one ranges from $180 to $300. You're exactly right don't go cheap on the first Two and always have it ready to go before it goes on. I don't appendix carry because I'm sitting too much. I carry in a shoulder holster.
Michael Ramsey - how do you train and practice like that? I have never heard anyone say that until now, and there's several people claiming that rule now. It's absurd to imagine someone at the range removing their holster after every drill...it doesn't happen. That's a rule for people who carry but never train or practice except to shoot bulls eyes from a bench or table.
I have a krounds appendix holster and you can pull out the holster to reholster your gun while it stays attached to your belt. Check them out....I use the rubberish belt loop.
That’s why I remove my holster before putting the gun back in the holster lol. Avoid incidents like this. It’s impossible for a Glock to go off unless tampered with.
This is pretty silly. There is no such thing as “impossible.” Yes, most firearms cannot go off with anything tampering with it. But it’s produced by machines. No machine is perfect and eventually something wrong will happen even if it’s rare.
@@stuffenjoyer2223 I’m sure they test them out to see if they fit the standards before being sent out to be sold and all that but then again who really knows lol
Considering we don't have all the information needed to know why this happened, your questions were perfect. That having been said, it seems like carelessness on the part of the carrier. The shot happened seconds after he holstered the weapon. I was trained to holster my weapon in a deliberate manner, and he seemed very casual about the action. I have used appendix carry, with a round in the chamber for twenty-plus years, and have drawn and holstered multiple handguns many hundreds of times without incident. Accidents are usually caused by human error, and I suspect this to be the case here.
Thanks man for your input. I just decided to conceal carry and I’ve been training myself for safety etc. I think it really was his shirt. Probably a loose waistband. He don’t have the gun properly holstered to begin with
True that Yankee. Accidents caused by human error. I suspect his holster or clothing material caused this to happen. When carrying it is important to buy a quality holster, a holster thats covers your trigger and trigger gud.
True, I don’t think anyone is suggesting his gun went Sig on him and randomly fired. But like you said, what accidents are not human error? I don’t think anyone, even a 20 year carrier can say they are immune to their own human error that they are never distracted or complacent or the environment caused something we didn’t plan for
This video demonstrates why I do like to have a manual thumb safety on semi-automatic pistols for concealed carry. I understand that is not a popular position.
@Franco Stacy Thanks. Will look into the list. Right now a Glock 43 is my top consideration, but just concerned about potentially ever having a misfire without a thumb safety.
''What happen here'' is that this guy point the gun at himself, which he shouldn't have but many people did anyway because it's a ''great way to carry'' which for some reason makes it ok
Well,obviously these internal safeties didn't work.I carry appendix.but I don't carry with a round in the chamber because supposedly I'm the only person that knows that if the gun goes off unintentionally bad things come of it.however,If EVER if I do need a gun,I know that I still have one on me for protection, so I'll safely pull it out then charge it.What are the odds of you ever being attacked? Then ,after that ,what are the odds that you won't be able to rack it? You are more likely to get attacked by an animal. So I feel that carrying without a round in the chamber is better for me. I'd rather fight a criminal on my terms, rather than fight the legal system on their terms.
So does anyone have any facts about this incident yet? I remember when it was first released and still nothing but speculation to this day. I would really like to know what it is that went wrong here.
It seems like the carrying place is not very ergonomic. Notice that it happens when he bends over, and with great effort. The trigger is too tight between him and the holster. Bending over moved the holster and dragged the trigger
@@gfexcbut that means it did more than drag the trigger. It would have had to pull the trigger safety on the trigger as well. You can’t drag a glock trigger from the sides
Have carried a chambered Glock AIWB for years without problem. It appears as Kevin said, something from his shirt, pants or holster snagged inside trigger guard. The caveat - ALWAYS wear quality holster, unless emergency dictates holster the gun then put the holster in place. My preference is the Bravo DOS Torsion holster with two sturdy clips that hold the holster (and thus gun) secure and with the grip pressed firmly against my stomach I'd notice if there's any movement and immediately treat that as urgent and important to check/rectify. When AIWB is not practical due to weather, attire, etc. I carry at 4 o'clock in a CrossBreed SuperTuck - an equally secure kydex with dual clips and a very comfortable leather pancake backing. (This is my go to when wearing a suit/sport coat with dress shirt tucked-in. But like so many others: Why was he messing with it? What was he holstering it in a public place and doing it hurriedly? If I had to venture a guess by watching just this video, it looks like he was in a hurry and didn't get it seated in the appropriate holster and when he bent over, he pushed it down activating the trigger.
As a woman carrying appendix carry my pistol is much higher - I would argue the man in the video is carrying “groin” carry. I like appendix mostly because it’s easy for me to reach and my clothing completely conceals everything and, in the car, my seatbelt sits below everything too (I don’t need to move the pistol when I get in and out if the vehicle) (and I can easily reach it without trying to recall “where is the handgun” - I’ve never trained from the car but at least my muscles know where my weapon is).
Glocks can’t go off on their own. They have three safeties, one external and two internal that are automatic until trigger is pulled. This was a user error where his garments got stuck or has a soft holster and by bending over mimicked a trigger pull. To avoid this never holster your weapon with the holster in your pants. I always have the holster out and holster the weapon then put the holster weapon in the appendix position.
Only people who don't train or practice would consider a safe practice necessary? I hope you don't end up like the poor soul in this video do to complacency in safety.
S Trick - how would you suggest a person train or practice to pull the holster out and do all that each time we need to holster the gun...show me anyone who teaches that.
Vito, just so nothing is taking out of context this is about EDC concealed carry. How can you advocate that initially placing the weapon inside the holster before placing its concealed position is not a necessary safety practice if you train or practice enough? Neither I or John suggested that you take the holster out before you draw the weapon.
I carry appendix with a Incog holster. I put the gun in the holster and then put the holster inside my waistband to make sure nothing is in the trigger gaurd. All the appendix NDs seem to be related to reholstering the weapon and not on the draw
I'm with you, it's always improper/hurried holstering OR a crappy holster to begin with. Holster the gun, then place the holster watching that your shirt or other fabric doesn't tangle. Have to do it in public? Go into a Men's room stall and do it...quiet and discretely without alarming anyone or harming yourself.
Vito Griffin when I do have to reholster during training and practice I will make sure the holster is clear of debris then angle it away from my junk and legs and slide it back in the holster ,very reluctantly.
Ian Cornell - and if the guy in the video had done what you just said, he wouldn't have shot himself. I didn't like anything about the way he holstered that gun to begin with.
From the first day I was licensed to carry, I am a conscious decision never to carry with a round in the chamber. So in order to do that, I trained over and over on how to quickly draw and rack, using the IDF method, i got so good at it, it's just been the way i carry forever.
I'm not disagreeing at all with your decision, but one thing to keep in mind is that it literally turns your hand gun into a 'two hand' gun. Something to keep in mind. I just recently started carrying with one in the chamber for that reason, but wouldn't consider it without a manual safety.
If you using a safe action pistol, use a quality kydex holster. I do carry appendix, in a good secure holster. I always clear my cover garment before reholstering. Be smart, keep your dirty booger hook off the bang switch. Carry safe action pistols in a quality holster that completely covers the trigger. And clear your garment before reholstering. Nuff said
This is why I carry a DA/SA gun, I appendix carry and I want that long first trigger pull in case something happens. That being said, good holsters and training will mitigate a lot of the danger element.
Me too. I currently carry a Taurus G3 with a thumb safety. I just purchased a CZ P-09 DA/SA 9mm with a decocker. I'll be carrying it decocked. I just need a holster. I haven't decided which light I'm going to put on it yet. That's why I don't yet have an AIWB holster.
I find it interesting how much hate there is for thumb safeties and how much insistence on round in chamber. Coupled with so little emphasis on situational awareness.
I've carried a Glock 19 or 43 AIWB for years without a problem and will continue to do so until it becomes less than the fastest, most universally comfortable or my gut gets too big. For guys with guts too big... Are you sure your "self-defense training" is optimal? You/your neglected health could put you at far greater risk of debilitating heart attack or stroke with much greater odds of happening than being in a self-defense shoot. Take care of weapon number one before holstering number two.
@Vet Vel thats a choice youve made....risk? Just like the fat guy makes a choice...risk? For some the choice is not as simple as....appendix carry and live in scenario.....carry another way and die in a scenario
Well, let's see ... I'm middle aged, have a bit of a belly (not the Santa kind, the pokes out hard but it's still a belly kind). I look a bit chubby. I am also a graduate of FBI Basic SWAT, a former SWAT team leader, firearms instructor, I do CrossFit and teach Jujutsu and Tai Chi. I have gone over and over with my medical people about this chubby issue. My heat and arteries are in GREAT shape and I do workouts that have skinny guys fainting. I do all that with a thyroid issue (under control) and Macrocytic Anemia, too (not really enough red blood cells to stay oxygenated at high pulse rates -- but I manage). And I regularly beat the living crap out of other martial artists half my age and thirty pounds lighter. I've been in a lot of real fights too, the kind you don't go home if you lose, sometimes with very athletic people and even trained folks. You'll note I'm still here. Don't assume because a guy, especially a middle aged guy, is toting a few extra pounds 'round his middle that he can't out fight you, can't out-draw you, and can't out shoot you. Also, take a peek at my medical records and you'll see a bit of a belly does not automatically equal a heart attack.
@@CeltKnight Funny how the "Keyboard Warriors" who's nuts ain't dropped yet are telling seasoned guys, who have been carrying since before most of them were born, how we should do it. Thanks for chiming in Brother. Appendix carry...give me a break!!
@@joelhunter984 - We who have gone before and learned Life's real lessons can only present the sum of our experiences. Sadly, there are many who have yet to walk that road (or indeed many roads at all) that think they know it all. Ah, well, you and I can, at this stage, just sit back and wait for the screeching sound of their paradigms shifting without a clutch when they hit our age and have a few life times worth of wear and tear on 'em like we do. ;)
I have a blade safety on the trigger on my EDC pistol. So, my finger must squeeze the trigger a particular way, or it won't fire. Some people hate blade safety triggers, but I have never had a problem with mine. When you carry with "1-in-the-chamber" like I do, and your pistol has no manual safety, it gives you peace of mind to have a blade safety on your trigger. My holster also adequately covers my trigger to prevent misfires. I know people who are too afraid to carry their semi-autos with 1-in-the-chamber. However, if you carry your pistol "out-of-battery", it can take you a full 2 seconds to rack the slide, and this slows your reaction time to a threat. Most people with a knife can stab you from 21 feet away in 1.5 seconds (average). Therefore, carrying out-of-battery gives me a third layer of protection from misfires that I don't really need -- at the expense of my personal safety from an external threat.
I carry a full size beretta m9a1 appendix carry in a tier 1 concealed holster. I always follow it down with my thumb on the hammer. Safety stays off when it's holstered and soon I'll be carrying a g3c the same way. Also I have a tourniquet in my car. But I'm not worried about my gun going off unless I'm pulling the trigger. If your going to carry appendix ALWAYS use a quality kydex holster specifically made for your gun.
This is why I like to carry my revolver with an exposed hammer. As I return it to my holster I can ride my thumb on the hammer so I’ll know if something is pushing against my trigger. I also watch the gun go into the holster so I know visually that there is nothing in the way. But I carry owb strong side at 2-3 o’clock so what do I know?
@@francostacy7675 there's a device you can replace the back plate on Glock with that works like a hammer in that as the trigger is actuated the plate protrudes out. typically you will reholster with your thumb in this position already so its a good indicator. been thinking about one myself tbh
@@grant1430 I know what you mean, but its only a problem, when only some of your weapons have a safety. Then you have to think to sweep it or not, but all of my pistols have them, so its instinctive for me to sweep the safety off. But I do understand it adds one more thing that "could" go wrong...
@@grant1430 There's a way bigger chance of A negligent discharge then a chance of you needing it in a self defense situation and forgetting to disengage it
True, manual safety's is really good when it comes to negligent discharges, especially when you train with your pistol. Some people think their john wick and nothing will go wrong. I'd feel way more comfortable with a beretta than a glock or any gun with a manual safety for that matter.
A manual safety is probably a good idea to have if you are going the appendix carry route. That and always remove your holster, insert firearm, then attached the secured firearm. Don't just jam it in there and hope everything was good
I know this is an old video and comment, but I agree 100%. I take it one step further and any time I am IWB carrying I make sure to have a manual safety. OWB I can control better what is and isn't in the holster and it is further away from my body so less likely to hit myself if $hit happens.
It seems to me that you can have the best of both worlds by using the safety to holster the gun and make sure it’s perfectly seated, and then take the safety off so you’re ready to use the gun. The problem here is he holstered the gun so gingerly (likely because he’s afraid of accidental discharge, that he didn’t notice that a bit of cloth got sucked into the trigger guard, preventing the gun from fully seating. Then when he bent over, it seated the firearm the remaining distance and the cloth tugged the trigger. Putting on the manual safety for holstering gives you the peace of mind to be able to seat the gun hard and make sure it’s properly seated.
I carry appendix with a G43 and a Kydex trigger guard holster. So far, so good. Although, this video gives me pause to rethinks what bad stuff could happen. I might just go back to SOB carry.
We've had some issues with the Glock 35 (Gen 4) going off without pulling the trigger. These are Swat guns and it seems the issue is caused buy a broken rail lug at the back of the pistol where the trigger mechanism housing sits. After racking the slide you can tweak the slide with some force rocking it up and over and it releases the the firing pin. I couldn't believe it until i saw it with my own eyes. I was thinking the firing pin being halfcocked wouldn't have enough force to ignite the pimmer but I was wrong. This is why you need to inspect your weapons.
Glocks are great guns, I have two. I shot them for awhile but then went back to what I started on and what I prefer to carry and shoot, DA/SA pistols with hammers. It is just what works best for me. I have actually read about three other cases where Glocks went off in the holster. Each time it was due to the holster being worn and flexing. Add that to the Glock's trigger system and you have the potential for things going wrong. I do not have links to the stories but I remember them well. The first was a man that carried his G27 in a brief case type leather bag. Apparently he had done it for years. Then one day when he came into his business, dropped the bag on couch next to his desk and the gun discharged through the couch into the floor. The other case was man carrying on his hip inside the waist band, just getting into the passenger side of his wife's car. He leaned forward and twisted to get the seat belt when his G19 went off in the holster cutting a nice 3" graze through his upper thigh, through the seat and existed the floor pan into the ground outside. The final time was another G19, a man in his kitchen was holstering it in an older shoulder holster rig. As he held the holster with left hand he slid the gun cross draw wise into the shoulder holster with his right hand, the gun went off killing the microwave behind him and grazing the back corner of the fridge finally lodging in the stud of the wall. In all cases, the leather holster flexed and or the lip of the holster caught the trigger when the gun was holster, when pressure or force was applied it was just enough to fire the weapon inadvertently. The guns were all in perfect working order. The kit they were being carried was not.
I pocket carry a .380 bodyguard in a pocket holster with a manual safety. It's what works for me and ensures I carry all the time, even in the house. I say carry however works for you, but carry.
Leather holster seemed to be the problem to me leather holsters can wrinkle up and get into the trigger guard and cause discharge I'f the holster has alot of wear and tear on it
Personally, I carry at 4 o'clock IWB or 3 o'clock OWB. If I carried appendix, I would carry in condition 3 without a round in the chamber. I would make sure to really practice drawing and racking the slide quickly while dry-firing. At 4 o'clock, the grip can print at times, so I might consider appendix if I need max concealability for some reason.
That's going to leave a mark. I'm glad he is ok though. I am with you. Guns are mechanical instruments and people are "human" . Risk management dictates 3 to 4 O'clock carry is a good way to manage the risk.
I just bought a 43x, it's my first Pistol and I decided to carry appendix, I wish I truly knew what went wrong here because I'm thinking about deciding on 4 or 5 o'clock.... Jeez
Get an enigma concealment kit and follow their instructions. If you do so, you should never have to worry about a negligent discharge. I carry appendix everyday at least 12 hours a day. I even go on runs carrying and never have had an issue with my glock being in AIWB.
@@The_Kirk_Lazarus Thanks for the reply. I've been getting 3:30 with alien gear shapeshift now and I barely feel it, I've trained drawing and dry fire for months now, down to a few times a week. From draw to sight to fire is almost as fast as any non military UA-camr, so I think I'll stick with 3:30.
I only appendix carry with my 1911. Round in the chamber, but I keep the safety on and the grip safety is my second line of defense for this sort of thing
If you are going to carry this way, spend some money on a good holster with a solid, rigid trigger guard. And is customized for the exact model of gun you are carrying. Carrying appendix with anything less than a good, customized Kydex holster is crazy. Good and cheap don't go together. Also, when at all possible reholster the weapon outside of your waistband and then place the entire unit back in the waistband together. Therefore taking ALL of the questions of accidental discharge due to improper re-holstering or whatever out of the picture. Great informational vid. Thanks for the info.
I would never carry IWB without a safety. I just feel more comfortable with the added protection from what we witnessed in the video. I also train with the safety as well.
You gonna remember that procedure when you've just used your gun on someone. Bet you don't, you'll stick the gun into the holster and I bet with your finger on the trigger. How do I know? Seen it in actual shootings
@@deltaboy2011 So you are seeing an issue from the start. Time to rethink the carry position. I tell my students "If it makes you uncomfortable or have to change YOU, don't do it."
@@lgdurocher I carry cross draw and don’t have any issues and no threat to shoot myself. Been carrying a gun for over 30 years, police, SWAT Blah, blah ETC.
Ill take my chances and rack on a draw if I ever have to, I'm not paranoid enough to think I'm going to die because of a extra step that takes all but .37 of a second. you should always be aware of your surroundings and see a threat first. I avoid sketchy situations anyways.
Yea. Something had to have gotten into his holster. I've been carrying appendix using my tier 1 Agis holster since mid January and one in the chamber, no problems. Makes me think he had a peace of his under shirt he got tuck down in his holster and did look hard enough
I carry appendix but only with a high quality kydex holster. If you put your firearm in a holster. Then hold a flashlight to the backside if the trigger gard and you see light! Nope! That trigger isn't properly covered.
I will not re-holster a loaded gun. What I mean is I use holsters that can be put on with the gun already loaded in the holster. I am no gunfighter and am not going to sit here and train in and out of a holster so its better to error proof if you are not going to train that way.
@@josephsteaphens474 I agree, In a life or death situation without training, without automated responses that are developed through training, you’re entirely correct. I’ve lived through a life or death situation, and can’t say that my training went out the window, neither did I flag myself and other people.
I carry appendix style at times. Clothing frequently dictates what will adequately conceal a firearm. I have not found a single carry position to meet every circumstance. But when I carry appendix I utilize a technique to provide a bigger margin of safety. I carry a Kahr PM 9 with a chambered round. My appendix holster is a Vedder kydex model. When I place the Kahr in the holster I hold the grip below the trigger guard with a thumb on one side and fingers on the other side .I place the slide in the holster while twisting the grip towards my torso which tilts the holster away from my body. Even if lightning struck and the gun discharged, it would impact the floor in front of my right foot. Hope I never have the chance to prove this technique works but I am betting some important anatomy it will work.
is there a follow-up episode on this? I would like to know what failed and if it was preventable. All I took away from this episode is to never carry appendix!
There is none. They don't want to tell what really happened because it will contradict everything they tell you on how safe it is to carry with one in the pipe. They always give the reason why you should, but never tell you that there is a small next to never risk of a negligent discharge. But the small risk can also change your whole life.
If you carry a Glock appendix style, 1) holster it before you put the holster in your waistband (and if you draw, then remove the holster and do the same thing again when reholstering), 2) make sure it's a high quality and strong kydex holster that covers the entire trigger guard. If you do that, then your junk will be ok even with one in the chamber.
As long as you have good safeties, don't carry a round in the chamber, and have a good holster it should be fine. Especially with appendix you can see if anything is in there and you can fix ir
@@pokemonmassa8689 carrying without a round chambered and thinking you’ll have time to rack it is like saying you’ll have time to put a seat belt on before a car wreck 😂
I conceal carry a G19 always with one in the chamber. Never had a problem. The gun will not go off unless the trigger is pulled and it has to be pulled with a fair amount of force.
My friend many years ago did this exact same thing. He was a gun expert. He had a 45 and shot through the leg and it came out the back. Of course he went to the hospital and survived but the exit of the 45 was a big hole. It still does not explain how that semi fired. He could not have pulled the trigger.
The thing I love about DA/SA is that even if there were to be some kind of mechanical failure, there's no potential energy to set off the round when the hammer is down and at rest. That's why I have zero issue with AIWB a DA/SA gun or a revolver.
I always carry a Sig P365 in this manner. My weapon is always charged and holstered before I affix it to my belt. The handgun never leaves my holster for any reason but to clean and maintain and is always charged. No modern day firearm goes off by itself when properly handled and the trigger is not depressed. My safeties are a good holster and my finger. Trigger no move, Gun no Bang. :)
So right . There are things about this video that are just not right , a guy continues shuffling papers as a woman is coming to help almost before the shot and also there's the skip in the video and to top it off not any aftermath info . Where's the blood ?
Thats what i carry in a tulster holster appendix this vid made me scared man :/ but i always have the gun in holster then holster with gun in pants this sucks tho
I have been carrying for 22 yrs always carry about 4 o'clock. I started carrying apendix but I bought a hk p30sk because it is double action single action with a decocker.
Here's what I told my academy cadets. If you have to change your gun, holster, the way you carry or your body position is uncomfortable, you are doing something wrong.
On UA-cam I’ve seen another one where a cop in the office is holstering his Glock and it fired. Also another one where an FBI agent is in a club dancing and he does a flip….while he is carrying. His gun flies out and lands on the dance floor. In his panic he grabs the gun with both hands like an octopus and a finger gets on the trigger and discharges hitting a bystander in the leg.
One of the first things I ever learned about striker fired handguns was to put a gun into the holster and then put the holster into your pants. It goes to reason that you do this in the morning when you get dressed and don't be playing with the gun during the day. If it is not comfortable for you to carry appendix, Get another type gun or a holster that is comfortable. My P365 in a Vedder holster with the claw under my T-Shirt is not really felt much at all, I can wear it all day long with no problem and the gun is never out of the holster. If it is ever out of the holster, the holster will be removed and gun inserted before it being shoved into my pants.
We're all pretty much dug in on the matters of positive safety vs no positive safety, and round in the chamber vs not. Nobody's changing their mind anytime soon. I don't carry "appendix" because I don't point my gun at anything I don't plan to destroy.
I still carry AIWB. and use the Vedder Light tuck. Read issues are more likely to occur with leather or hybrid holsters that are not maintained. (Still fault of the person). I personally have a safety on all weapons that can come with one because the M1911A was the first pistol i every trained on. Well Over 10,000 draws with the safety coming off before the gun is at retention. It is automatic for me. Even when i use a friend's Glock i thumb off an imaginary safety out of habit. The S&W 2.0 C is my EDC but i agree if you are going to carry AIWB with a safety YOU MUST TRAIN to the point that thumbing off the safety is automatic. That's for me. If you don't like a safety, don't use one. AIWB conceals so well for me, so i use it. Plus i got into better shape because of it since i didn't want to buy new clothes. (bigger size pants and lost inches off the waist)
I carry a Taurus pt111g2c with a trigger safety and a manual safety and always carry with a round in the chamber and the safety on . My holster is either on my appendix or 4 o clock
I do not have the answer to how this happened but I was a firearms instructor for quite a while, there was a NY PD officer who had similar thing happen but he had a side holster. What happened in his case was the elastic cord on his jacket got caught in the trigger guard and when he holstered the weapon it discharged. I would bet this man had some kind of waist band strap that got into the trigger guard. When I holster my 43 into my KYDEX, I place the pistol in the holster then install the holster to prevent such potential accidents.
This is why I holster the weapon and then put the holster in my waist band. And my holster completely covers trigger. I also remove the holster with firearm still in it when I need to stop it for bedtime etc. The only time this will change is if obviously I need the weapon in an emergency life or death defensive situation. And even then I will remove holster from waist before reholstering.
That is why I carry a 2011 instead of a Glock. Manual safety and grip safety. My thumb rides the manual safety while i shoot for recoil control. So when I draw my thumb is already pressing down the manual safety.
My pants are always sagging when I carry in 4 o clock. Appendix keeps my pants on and I got use to how to move with if there. Always keep fingers and objects alway from trigger until ready to fire. I don’t have a safety, it’s one extra step in life or death situations
I appendix carry a glock 19. I don't ever wear an undershirt. I also never reholster a loaded weapon while wearing the holster. My holster covers the trigger completely and the retention locks it in place. If I go to the range I wear outside the waist band. I practice appendix draw with an unloaded safe gun. I wear it around the house and stay used to it. I don't have issue. It's all about how safe you are.
Ive actually done this in 2010.. shattered my femur. Entirely my fault. However my personal decision, in addition to training is double/single action carrys as opposed to striker fire. To me it adds an additional comfort to ride the hammer into the holster with my thumb while holstering.
I've been waiting for one of these! Appendix carry has become more popular lately and it was just a matter of time that we'd see some kind of equipment failure. At least we know the firearm was drop safe
I’m back to 4 o’clock carry. I really like AIWB carry. It’s faster to draw and less printing. I’ll still carry AIWB on double action only and not Glock.
Totally agree with you Kevin. I know two highly trained police officers that have been shot in the leg reholstering their "safe" Glocks in their duty holster. That stupid "safety" trigger somehow caught on something. A normal thumb safety or double action would never have gone off. Did you know that there are more Glock returns by new gun owners just because of that "safety"?
I appendix carry. I do it so I am able to constantly watch as I am holstering or re-holstering. It is just my preference and I would expect everyone to establish their own preferences.
Found this years later, but I was actually there! My poor manager regularly went to shooting ranges so she instantly knew when it went off what had happened and dove behind a bunker, while I was stunned not understanding what was happening 🤦♂️😂
While I know this was incredibly painful for the man shot, it's a important video for everyone to see. Let's all agree to disagree about what kind of "safety" we prefer. Frankly, I have both, and I like both. I don't carry in that position due to being in a wheelchair. When I do carry on my belt it's either at the 3 or 4 o'clock position, otherwise I carry in a fanny pack.
I hope the gentleman in the video makes a full recovery, and quickly. I was happy to see at the end of the clip that someone was rendering aide so quickly.
This is a great example of learning from the mistakes of others, Linda.
We have followers with disabilities, do you have any tips for them?
USCCA , yes I do have some, and I'm more than happy to share from my own experience. First and most importantly, find the gun "you can comfortably shoot ", and have your rounds hitting your target. As to the caliber of your gun, it's what you can get on target that matters. Remember that a well placed 22caliber bullet can be as fatal as a 40 caliber. Whatever you're shooting when you're not on the range, load up with personal defense rounds.I'm getting the point where I'm having difficulty "racking" my pistols the normal way, so I'm going back to lessons from my tactical shooting instructor, using the side of my wheelchair for the leverage needed when my hands won't cooperate. Practice as often as possible, and not just static shooting. Take a tactical class, join a club where you have tactical competitions. This point is very important, find your "right holster. Like everyone else, it's a trial and error process. Some like on belt holsters, some prefer shoulder holsters, and others are into the beĺlyband holsters. As I said, everyone has different needs. Let's just make sure we support one another.
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USCCA was there more info that came out on what happened to fire the weapon?
@@USCCAOfficial All of your followers have disabilities, stop kidding yourself.
The two other people in that room didn't panic one bit. They were probably like, "Brett shot himself again."
Ha haaa haaaa ....lmaooooo... likely they were like.... he shot his last ball....
Lmao! Ikr!
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I tearing up reading this comment LOL
Haha i
Loaded pistol in that position is called a de-cocker 😩
C Redd OMFG that made my day Thank you😂😂😂
Hahahabajaba now thats funny man .
Sicker giggle you said decocker hahahahah
Lol!!
Ha, HA....YOU BAD BOY !!!!
He was carrying in a g code incog holster. You can hear him and the guy chatting "That's why you have to practice", which leads me to believe he was a newbie to carrying and got the most "tactical" holster he could. After carrying with a regular kydex for over 2 years, I recently picked up one of the new g code phenom holsters. I don't recommend these holsters to newbies, they don't have that positive, loud "click" like kydex ones do and you can't just throw it in there like you would a kydex holster. I personally think he had some shirt caught in there and half assed it into the holster, and when he bent over, he pushed the gun into the holster while also tightening up the shirt, pulling the trigger. Be very careful when reholstering guys, fast out and slow/deliberate in.
This is why I formed a relationship with a custom Kydex holster maker, who uses thicker Kydex than pretty much every off-the-shelf Kydex holster.
Thanks, Kevin. This is a big reason why I carry a hammer fired pistol. When I reholster I rest my thumb on the hammer. If the trigger gets caught up in clothing I will feel the hammer pulling back and can avoid a discharge. It takes some training and familiarization, but gives me a great deal of reassurance.
The gun didnt go off when he reholstered the weapon, it went off when he bent over. In this case a hammer wouldnt have made any difference...if you think having a hammer on your gun prevents accidental and negligent discharges you are mistaken.
@@broot1375 Right. It probably would not have made any difference if the pistol was DA/SA, and his shirt snagged the trigger. It would have to have been a single-action only pistol with the safety on to have made any difference.
@@broot1375 now we can agree
That having a firearm
Puts us at more risk for a firearm accident. That’s a fact that can’t be argued. However a hammer fired Da/Sa may have prevented this. Because the lonnnmgg da pull that is 8-12 pounds may have stopped this. Also, when he bent over, if his body was pushing against that hammer, it wouldn’t have fired. I can hold my thumb on the hammer and my gun becomes inoperable,
That’s not theory, I’ve tried. So him being bent over his body may have been against the hammer. So the dasa hammer fired is not full proof, a lot more has to happen compared to a striker fired gun without a manual safety….sorry Glock guys
Yeah...ive got a few da/sa pistols. Holding thumb on hammer can stop it but the soft tissue of your body while leaning over certainly isnt going to prevent hammer from traveling. If it makes you more confortable carryin a sa/da pistol..by all means you should...but they certainly have drawbacks. One big one is when you have an exposed hammer something can get trapped between pin and hammer preventing discharge when needed...especially with one like my hk p30 that has a huge opening there...
@@broot1375 how is that happening, are you carrying your gun cocked? The military arms channel tested hammer fired guns against water,
Dirt, sand and mud, worked
Great
On my hammer fired guns soft tissue would stop it from firing because it takes very little pressure with my the thumb
Never Point your weapon at something you're not willing to destroy
Does that apply to a loaded firearm in a safe?
@@CleverBryan1 Yes. My pistol wouldn't hurt the inside of my safe in the slightest.
@@darthnatas953 isn’t your answer no then
@@CleverBryan1 I'm not pointing it at anything while it is sitting on a shelf. It won't go off unless it is in my hand, or on my body in a dangerous location with an inadequate holster.
@@CleverBryan1 is a holster the same thing as a safe? Is pointing something at the inside of a safe equivalent to pointing it at whatever is behind the safe? If I point my pistol at the ground am I going to kill somebody in China?
Kevin, I'm with you 100%, and I never felt comfortable with a bullet pointed in the general direction of the family jewels.
Forget the family jewels, worry about the Femoral artery. Collected wisdom from internet - medical sources only - depending on how severe the damage to the FA and the victim's general medical condition, a person shot in the Femoral artery has from 20 seconds to 4 minutes to live. But, they have much less time to be conscious. If it is a major severing of the artery you will likely be unconscious in less than one minute, and you'll be fading before that. But don't worry - if you get shot there whilst in a hospital you still MAY have a 50 50 chance to survive it. Any other place - well, best to have your affairs in-order, just in case.
{An injury of this type "essentially means you can lose all the
blood in your whole body within five minutes," said Dr. Mary Pat McKay, director of George Washington University's Center for Injury Prevention and Control.}
@@mcmneverreadsreplys7318 You are quite right about the femoral artery. At the beginning of August, in Tucson Arizona, there was a 40 year old roofing contractor doing repairs to a school roof. He was also carrying appendix stile with out a holster. First of all he was breaking the law by carrying on school property. While working his firearm discharged and the round ruptured his Femoral artery, he was dead by the time the ambulance arrived. His negligence cost him his own life and left his wife and four kids without a provider.
If ever shot in the upper thigh it is a good idea to put a tourniquet on it no matter how serious it looks.
This is exactly why I just switched from my Canik TP9 Elite Combat with nothing but a trigger drop safety to an M&P m2.0 Compact with a thumb safety, I'll note be comfortable carrying with one in the chamber and keep that safety on at all times when holstering
The only question here is what exact holster was he using... it almost had to have some sort of leather or fabric that folded over onto the trigger area... a full kydex holster wouldn’t let that happen.
Agreed. A gun can’t fire unless the trigger is pulled. Thus, the trigger got pulled.
It looked like a leather holster
It was a kydex holster. You can see in this video he rips it out of his pants and throws it to the ground and you can hear the plastic hit the tile.
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@@JayG1911 then what pulled the trigger
Unless you have a bullet proof holster does it really matter?
This is why I carry one in chamber with a thumb safety. If you dry fire regularly, unholstering while taking the safety off will happen almost simultaneously. Then safety on when holstering.
First gun I bought was a PPS M2. I carry that with an empty chamber, but recently purchased a Hellcat with a manual safety to replace it as my usual carry. That way, I can confidently carry with one in the chamber and know that even a faulty holster or something stupid from me won't cause it to go off. I love carrying my Beretta 92FS for safety reasons, but it's harder to conceal in comparison to the Hellcat.
Agreed. Me too.
@gp3012,
"Then safety on [ when ] holstering."
Scratch that "when" . . . BEFORE !
"...BEFOE holstering." ☆
Appendix is the fastest way for me to access my firearm from standing and seated positions; and in South Africa that is important, lol 👍🏾🇿🇦
Don't let anyone else tell you how to carry. Draw fast and reholster slow.
Wow cool don't hear much about people (aside from cops and criminals) carrying guns outside the US. I know this is an old comment but I'd be curious to hear about what it's like buying guns or holsters and ammo, in terms of what you have access too. What do you carry?
I carry appendix at the 1-2 o’clock position, it’s the most comfortable for me. I have back issues so carrying at 4 bothers me when I need to sit and 3 is just annoying. Appendix is the only position where I forget about my gun
@@swiftaudi love that.
Very true. It faster way to draw because it is right infront of me. What is more important is to buy quality belt quality holster and be sure about the firearm you carrying not forgetting finger off the trigger untill you ready to shoot
I'm curious to know more about the holster he was using. Was it kydex? Hybrid? Leather? The rigidity of the holster, especially in the AIWB position can make a big difference.
Greg Howard That is the question, what brand holster? If it's a soft holster then it's most likely a holster related problem like it didn't bottom and bending over pushed the pistol into the holster itself.
If it was a hard sided holster then he needed to holster the wepon before he put it AIWB.
It wasn't easy to see in this video when the guy threw the holster on the ground as the inset video was too small, but it didn't look like a typical kydex holster you usually see with AIWB carriers.
If I remember correct it was a gcode INCOG
Gcode incog
Randy Marsh dang Gcode incogs are my favorite holster, I love my Haley strategic holster. I wonder why that happened.
I appendix carry & that's one reason why I went with the Springfield Armory XD Mod.2 over the Glock 19; the grip safety would have saved him there.
Grip safety poses its own issues. Trading one for the other.
@@jacobpetersen5662 good grip = no issue
People complain about the manual safety on the Ruger SR9c, but this is one reason why I love having it.
I appendix carried my off duty J Frame for years w/o a single problem but would never consider that method w/any modern semi auto, especially a Glock.
I will appendix carry when I'm doing certain activities. My rules is to have the gun in the holster and put the holster in my waist band, not put the gun in the holster when I've already got the holster in my pants.
You both are right first thing I learned many moons ago in carrying a weapon was good belt is the foundation, then a good holster, period. Don't cheapin out on the most important accessories in carrying a weapon.👍🏿
Michael Ramsey smart rule.
stock_glock all my holsters except one ranges from $180 to $300. You're exactly right don't go cheap on the first Two and always have it ready to go before it goes on. I don't appendix carry because I'm sitting too much. I carry in a shoulder holster.
Michael Ramsey - how do you train and practice like that? I have never heard anyone say that until now, and there's several people claiming that rule now. It's absurd to imagine someone at the range removing their holster after every drill...it doesn't happen. That's a rule for people who carry but never train or practice except to shoot bulls eyes from a bench or table.
I have a krounds appendix holster and you can pull out the holster to reholster your gun while it stays attached to your belt. Check them out....I use the rubberish belt loop.
That’s why I remove my holster before putting the gun back in the holster lol. Avoid incidents like this. It’s impossible for a Glock to go off unless tampered with.
Lol, it's impossible for any gun to go off without some form of tampering
I have many pistols. It's impossible for any of them to go off unless the trigger is pulled??
This is pretty silly. There is no such thing as “impossible.” Yes, most firearms cannot go off with anything tampering with it. But it’s produced by machines. No machine is perfect and eventually something wrong will happen even if it’s rare.
@@stuffenjoyer2223 I’m sure they test them out to see if they fit the standards before being sent out to be sold and all that but then again who really knows lol
with the new sig handgunades this didnt age well@@theoutsider675
This is why I carry a 1911 Colt Commander. With that physical safety it just isn’t going to fire no matter what is done to that trigger.
Unless the manual safety gets bumped off and your fat presses the grip safety when you bend over. Don't point it at your junk.
My worst fear exactly why I’m afraid to carry in the groin area
Considering we don't have all the information needed to know why this happened, your questions were perfect. That having been said, it seems like carelessness on the part of the carrier. The shot happened seconds after he holstered the weapon. I was trained to holster my weapon in a deliberate manner, and he seemed very casual about the action. I have used appendix carry, with a round in the chamber for twenty-plus years, and have drawn and holstered multiple handguns many hundreds of times without incident. Accidents are usually caused by human error, and I suspect this to be the case here.
Thanks man for your input. I just decided to conceal carry and I’ve been training myself for safety etc. I think it really was his shirt. Probably a loose waistband. He don’t have the gun properly holstered to begin with
Shirt tucked in the trigger guard. When he bent over it pulled it
was it a fabric holster?
True that Yankee. Accidents caused by human error. I suspect his holster or clothing material caused this to happen. When carrying it is important to buy a quality holster, a holster thats covers your trigger and trigger gud.
True, I don’t think anyone is suggesting his gun went Sig on him and randomly fired. But like you said, what accidents are not human error? I don’t think anyone, even a 20 year carrier can say they are immune to their own human error that they are never distracted or complacent or the environment caused something we didn’t plan for
This video demonstrates why I do like to have a manual thumb safety on semi-automatic pistols for concealed carry. I understand that is not a popular position.
Good thing no one needs to know and most likely we will never need to use a gun in our life.
I totally agree with you
What are some recommended model choices for a compact with a thumb safety?
@@montag4516
Springfield xde
Bersa tpr9c
Bersa thumder cc
Czsp01 omega
Czp01 compact
Cz75 pcr
Czp07
Cz rami
Beretta px4 storm compact
Are the ones I'm familiar with
@Franco Stacy
Thanks. Will look into the list.
Right now a Glock 43 is my top consideration, but just concerned about potentially ever having a misfire without a thumb safety.
To each their own but I've never been comfortable having my firearm pointed at my junk.
I hate that this happened to him. Hope he recovers 100%.
Me to
Me too. I literally i almost died my damn nuts.
I would love to hear an interview with him.
''What happen here'' is that this guy point the gun at himself, which he shouldn't have but many people did anyway because it's a ''great way to carry'' which for some reason makes it ok
Well,obviously these internal safeties didn't work.I carry appendix.but I don't carry with a round in the chamber because supposedly I'm the only person that knows that if the gun goes off unintentionally bad things come of it.however,If EVER if I do need a gun,I know that I still have one on me for protection, so I'll safely pull it out then charge it.What are the odds of you ever being attacked? Then ,after that ,what are the odds that you won't be able to rack it? You are more likely to get attacked by an animal. So I feel that carrying without a round in the chamber is better for me. I'd rather fight a criminal on my terms, rather than fight the legal system on their terms.
So does anyone have any facts about this incident yet? I remember when it was first released and still nothing but speculation to this day. I would really like to know what it is that went wrong here.
It seems like the carrying place is not very ergonomic. Notice that it happens when he bends over, and with great effort. The trigger is too tight between him and the holster. Bending over moved the holster and dragged the trigger
@@gfexcbut that means it did more than drag the trigger. It would have had to pull the trigger safety on the trigger as well. You can’t drag a glock trigger from the sides
@@OEF_Vet_0331 Some soft holster
USCCA should interview this guy!
Probably soft/leather holster..
Have carried a chambered Glock AIWB for years without problem. It appears as Kevin said, something from his shirt, pants or holster snagged inside trigger guard. The caveat - ALWAYS wear quality holster, unless emergency dictates holster the gun then put the holster in place. My preference is the Bravo DOS Torsion holster with two sturdy clips that hold the holster (and thus gun) secure and with the grip pressed firmly against my stomach I'd notice if there's any movement and immediately treat that as urgent and important to check/rectify. When AIWB is not practical due to weather, attire, etc. I carry at 4 o'clock in a CrossBreed SuperTuck - an equally secure kydex with dual clips and a very comfortable leather pancake backing. (This is my go to when wearing a suit/sport coat with dress shirt tucked-in. But like so many others: Why was he messing with it? What was he holstering it in a public place and doing it hurriedly? If I had to venture a guess by watching just this video, it looks like he was in a hurry and didn't get it seated in the appropriate holster and when he bent over, he pushed it down activating the trigger.
Crossbreed holster excellent piece of kit.
These videos are a wet dream for guys that don’t carry appendix.
LOL
You're right
My bed was soaked in semen this morning.
I bet that he won't carry appendix anymore
Yep.
You mean the smart ones?
As a woman carrying appendix carry my pistol is much higher - I would argue the man in the video is carrying “groin” carry. I like appendix mostly because it’s easy for me to reach and my clothing completely conceals everything and, in the car, my seatbelt sits below everything too (I don’t need to move the pistol when I get in and out if the vehicle) (and I can easily reach it without trying to recall “where is the handgun” - I’ve never trained from the car but at least my muscles know where my weapon is).
Kudos to the lady in the back ground. Very calmly and quickly crossed the room grabbed what appears to be a tourniquet.
And she said," sir, it's too small to put a tourniquet on".....
She seen a bone of an opportunity, too hard to pass up.
I appendix carry ever so cautiously, my carry fire arm has a grip safety for that added comfort.
Glocks can’t go off on their own. They have three safeties, one external and two internal that are automatic until trigger is pulled. This was a user error where his garments got stuck or has a soft holster and by bending over mimicked a trigger pull. To avoid this never holster your weapon with the holster in your pants. I always have the holster out and holster the weapon then put the holster weapon in the appendix position.
@@7381366it's possible he didn't maintain his Glock properly, or something broke at the range, and he didn't fix it before this happened.
Take out the holster put gun in and put the combo back where it goes
That was the first thing that crossed my mind when I watch this video.
That shouldn't be necessary. Only people who don't train or practice would consider that method to be useful.
Only people who don't train or practice would consider a safe practice necessary? I hope you don't end up like the poor soul in this video do to complacency in safety.
S Trick - how would you suggest a person train or practice to pull the holster out and do all that each time we need to holster the gun...show me anyone who teaches that.
Vito, just so nothing is taking out of context this is about EDC concealed carry. How can you advocate that initially placing the weapon inside the holster before placing its concealed position is not a necessary safety practice if you train or practice enough? Neither I or John suggested that you take the holster out before you draw the weapon.
I carry appendix with a Incog holster. I put the gun in the holster and then put the holster inside my waistband to make sure nothing is in the trigger gaurd. All the appendix NDs seem to be related to reholstering the weapon and not on the draw
I'm with you, it's always improper/hurried holstering OR a crappy holster to begin with. Holster the gun, then place the holster watching that your shirt or other fabric doesn't tangle. Have to do it in public? Go into a Men's room stall and do it...quiet and discretely without alarming anyone or harming yourself.
Is that how you do it when you train and practice?
Vito Griffin when I do have to reholster during training and practice I will make sure the holster is clear of debris then angle it away from my junk and legs and slide it back in the holster ,very reluctantly.
Ian Cornell - and if the guy in the video had done what you just said, he wouldn't have shot himself. I didn't like anything about the way he holstered that gun to begin with.
Vito Griffin yeah I totally agree, it seemed very strange how slowly it slid in. Probably new to carrying
From the first day I was licensed to carry, I am a conscious decision never to carry with a round in the chamber. So in order to do that, I trained over and over on how to quickly draw and rack, using the IDF method, i got so good at it, it's just been the way i carry forever.
You and me both. I think if you weigh the pros and cons of "round in chamber" carry, the benefits of an empty chamber are much greater.
I'm not disagreeing at all with your decision, but one thing to keep in mind is that it literally turns your hand gun into a 'two hand' gun. Something to keep in mind. I just recently started carrying with one in the chamber for that reason, but wouldn't consider it without a manual safety.
If you using a safe action pistol, use a quality kydex holster. I do carry appendix, in a good secure holster. I always clear my cover garment before reholstering. Be smart, keep your dirty booger hook off the bang switch. Carry safe action pistols in a quality holster that completely covers the trigger. And clear your garment before reholstering. Nuff said
This is why I carry a DA/SA gun, I appendix carry and I want that long first trigger pull in case something happens. That being said, good holsters and training will mitigate a lot of the danger element.
Me too. I currently carry a Taurus G3 with a thumb safety. I just purchased a CZ P-09 DA/SA 9mm with a decocker. I'll be carrying it decocked. I just need a holster. I haven't decided which light I'm going to put on it yet. That's why I don't yet have an AIWB holster.
I find it interesting how much hate there is for thumb safeties and how much insistence on round in chamber. Coupled with so little emphasis on situational awareness.
I've carried a Glock 19 or 43 AIWB for years without a problem and will continue to do so until it becomes less than the fastest, most universally comfortable or my gut gets too big.
For guys with guts too big... Are you sure your "self-defense training" is optimal? You/your neglected health could put you at far greater risk of debilitating heart attack or stroke with much greater odds of happening than being in a self-defense shoot.
Take care of weapon number one before holstering number two.
@Vet Vel thats a choice youve made....risk? Just like the fat guy makes a choice...risk?
For some the choice is not as simple as....appendix carry and live in scenario.....carry another way and die in a scenario
Well, let's see ... I'm middle aged, have a bit of a belly (not the Santa kind, the pokes out hard but it's still a belly kind). I look a bit chubby. I am also a graduate of FBI Basic SWAT, a former SWAT team leader, firearms instructor, I do CrossFit and teach Jujutsu and Tai Chi. I have gone over and over with my medical people about this chubby issue. My heat and arteries are in GREAT shape and I do workouts that have skinny guys fainting. I do all that with a thyroid issue (under control) and Macrocytic Anemia, too (not really enough red blood cells to stay oxygenated at high pulse rates -- but I manage).
And I regularly beat the living crap out of other martial artists half my age and thirty pounds lighter. I've been in a lot of real fights too, the kind you don't go home if you lose, sometimes with very athletic people and even trained folks. You'll note I'm still here.
Don't assume because a guy, especially a middle aged guy, is toting a few extra pounds 'round his middle that he can't out fight you, can't out-draw you, and can't out shoot you. Also, take a peek at my medical records and you'll see a bit of a belly does not automatically equal a heart attack.
@@CeltKnight Funny how the "Keyboard Warriors" who's nuts ain't dropped yet are telling seasoned guys, who have been carrying since before most of them were born, how we should do it. Thanks for chiming in Brother. Appendix carry...give me a break!!
@@joelhunter984 - We who have gone before and learned Life's real lessons can only present the sum of our experiences. Sadly, there are many who have yet to walk that road (or indeed many roads at all) that think they know it all. Ah, well, you and I can, at this stage, just sit back and wait for the screeching sound of their paradigms shifting without a clutch when they hit our age and have a few life times worth of wear and tear on 'em like we do. ;)
@@CeltKnight Amen Brother!!!!
I have a blade safety on the trigger on my EDC pistol. So, my finger must squeeze the trigger a particular way, or it won't fire. Some people hate blade safety triggers, but I have never had a problem with mine. When you carry with "1-in-the-chamber" like I do, and your pistol has no manual safety, it gives you peace of mind to have a blade safety on your trigger. My holster also adequately covers my trigger to prevent misfires. I know people who are too afraid to carry their semi-autos with 1-in-the-chamber. However, if you carry your pistol "out-of-battery", it can take you a full 2 seconds to rack the slide, and this slows your reaction time to a threat. Most people with a knife can stab you from 21 feet away in 1.5 seconds (average). Therefore, carrying out-of-battery gives me a third layer of protection from misfires that I don't really need -- at the expense of my personal safety from an external threat.
I carry a full size beretta m9a1 appendix carry in a tier 1 concealed holster. I always follow it down with my thumb on the hammer. Safety stays off when it's holstered and soon I'll be carrying a g3c the same way. Also I have a tourniquet in my car. But I'm not worried about my gun going off unless I'm pulling the trigger. If your going to carry appendix ALWAYS use a quality kydex holster specifically made for your gun.
This is why I like to carry my revolver with an exposed hammer. As I return it to my holster I can ride my thumb on the hammer so I’ll know if something is pushing against my trigger. I also watch the gun go into the holster so I know visually that there is nothing in the way. But I carry owb strong side at 2-3 o’clock so what do I know?
Same goes for any Hammer fired double action automatic which is the only type of pistol I will conceal carry
propdoctor21564 that would also be true for a glock with a striker control device, so there are options.
@@user-pq4by2rq9y what?
@@francostacy7675 there's a device you can replace the back plate on Glock with that works like a hammer in that as the trigger is actuated the plate protrudes out. typically you will reholster with your thumb in this position already so its a good indicator. been thinking about one myself tbh
@@user-pq4by2rq9y Wrong.
this is why my carry guns all have manual safeties. Dont care what anyone else says, they prevent accidents way more often than given credit for...
They also accidently prevent self defense more than given credit for
@@grant1430 I know what you mean, but its only a problem, when only some of your weapons have a safety. Then you have to think to sweep it or not, but all of my pistols have them, so its instinctive for me to sweep the safety off. But I do understand it adds one more thing that "could" go wrong...
@@grant1430 There's a way bigger chance of A negligent discharge then a chance of you needing it in a self defense situation and forgetting to disengage it
@@ameribrahim5405 watch the ending of the film scream then get back to me
True, manual safety's is really good when it comes to negligent discharges, especially when you train with your pistol. Some people think their john wick and nothing will go wrong. I'd feel way more comfortable with a beretta than a glock or any gun with a manual safety for that matter.
A manual safety is probably a good idea to have if you are going the appendix carry route. That and always remove your holster, insert firearm, then attached the secured firearm. Don't just jam it in there and hope everything was good
I know this is an old video and comment, but I agree 100%. I take it one step further and any time I am IWB carrying I make sure to have a manual safety. OWB I can control better what is and isn't in the holster and it is further away from my body so less likely to hit myself if $hit happens.
yep, I think that's where he went wrong.
It seems to me that you can have the best of both worlds by using the safety to holster the gun and make sure it’s perfectly seated, and then take the safety off so you’re ready to use the gun.
The problem here is he holstered the gun so gingerly (likely because he’s afraid of accidental discharge, that he didn’t notice that a bit of cloth got sucked into the trigger guard, preventing the gun from fully seating. Then when he bent over, it seated the firearm the remaining distance and the cloth tugged the trigger. Putting on the manual safety for holstering gives you the peace of mind to be able to seat the gun hard and make sure it’s properly seated.
I carry appendix with a G43 and a Kydex trigger guard holster. So far, so good. Although, this video gives me pause to rethinks what bad stuff could happen. I might just go back to SOB carry.
We've had some issues with the Glock 35 (Gen 4) going off without pulling the trigger. These are Swat guns and it seems the issue is caused buy a broken rail lug at the back of the pistol where the trigger mechanism housing sits. After racking the slide you can tweak the slide with some force rocking it up and over and it releases the the firing pin. I couldn't believe it until i saw it with my own eyes. I was thinking the firing pin being halfcocked wouldn't have enough force to ignite the pimmer but I was wrong. This is why you need to inspect your weapons.
Glocks are great guns, I have two. I shot them for awhile but then went back to what I started on and what I prefer to carry and shoot, DA/SA pistols with hammers. It is just what works best for me.
I have actually read about three other cases where Glocks went off in the holster. Each time it was due to the holster being worn and flexing. Add that to the Glock's trigger system and you have the potential for things going wrong. I do not have links to the stories but I remember them well.
The first was a man that carried his G27 in a brief case type leather bag. Apparently he had done it for years. Then one day when he came into his business, dropped the bag on couch next to his desk and the gun discharged through the couch into the floor.
The other case was man carrying on his hip inside the waist band, just getting into the passenger side of his wife's car. He leaned forward and twisted to get the seat belt when his G19 went off in the holster cutting a nice 3" graze through his upper thigh, through the seat and existed the floor pan into the ground outside.
The final time was another G19, a man in his kitchen was holstering it in an older shoulder holster rig. As he held the holster with left hand he slid the gun cross draw wise into the shoulder holster with his right hand, the gun went off killing the microwave behind him and grazing the back corner of the fridge finally lodging in the stud of the wall.
In all cases, the leather holster flexed and or the lip of the holster caught the trigger when the gun was holster, when pressure or force was applied it was just enough to fire the weapon inadvertently. The guns were all in perfect working order. The kit they were being carried was not.
I pocket carry a .380 bodyguard in a pocket holster with a manual safety. It's what works for me and ensures I carry all the time, even in the house. I say carry however works for you, but carry.
I carry an LCP in a pocket holster, I also carry a Glock 27 on my left hip in a cross draw fashion.
Reasons why I carry on my hip and I carry a 1911. I don't have a large johnson but i like where it is at and want to keep it that way
Leather holster seemed to be the problem to me leather holsters can wrinkle up and get into the trigger guard and cause discharge I'f the holster has alot of wear and tear on it
Personally, I carry at 4 o'clock IWB or 3 o'clock OWB. If I carried appendix, I would carry in condition 3 without a round in the chamber. I would make sure to really practice drawing and racking the slide quickly while dry-firing. At 4 o'clock, the grip can print at times, so I might consider appendix if I need max concealability for some reason.
That's going to leave a mark. I'm glad he is ok though. I am with you. Guns are mechanical instruments and people are "human" . Risk management dictates 3 to 4 O'clock carry is a good way to manage the risk.
hope you have a tq then
I just bought a 43x, it's my first Pistol and I decided to carry appendix, I wish I truly knew what went wrong here because I'm thinking about deciding on 4 or 5 o'clock.... Jeez
Get an enigma concealment kit and follow their instructions. If you do so, you should never have to worry about a negligent discharge. I carry appendix everyday at least 12 hours a day. I even go on runs carrying and never have had an issue with my glock being in AIWB.
@@The_Kirk_Lazarus Thanks for the reply. I've been getting 3:30 with alien gear shapeshift now and I barely feel it, I've trained drawing and dry fire for months now, down to a few times a week. From draw to sight to fire is almost as fast as any non military UA-camr, so I think I'll stick with 3:30.
I only hear this type of stuff about Glock never heard of a 1911 in the cocked and locked position going off
I only appendix carry with my 1911. Round in the chamber, but I keep the safety on and the grip safety is my second line of defense for this sort of thing
If you are going to carry this way, spend some money on a good holster with a solid, rigid trigger guard. And is customized for the exact model of gun you are carrying. Carrying appendix with anything less than a good, customized Kydex holster is crazy. Good and cheap don't go together. Also, when at all possible reholster the weapon outside of your waistband and then place the entire unit back in the waistband together. Therefore taking ALL of the questions of accidental discharge due to improper re-holstering or whatever out of the picture. Great informational vid. Thanks for the info.
I would never carry IWB without a safety. I just feel more comfortable with the added protection from what we witnessed in the video. I also train with the safety as well.
I carry appendix hot and never holster unless I remove my holster. I’ve tried empty and had my T-shirt end up in the trigger well
You gonna remember that procedure when you've just used your gun on someone. Bet you don't, you'll stick the gun into the holster and I bet with your finger on the trigger. How do I know? Seen it in actual shootings
I practice appendix, just learning it and I've notice that my inside shirt do sometimes get into the holster as I put the gun in.
@@deltaboy2011 So you are seeing an issue from the start. Time to rethink the carry position. I tell my students "If it makes you uncomfortable or have to change YOU, don't do it."
@@joelhunter984 At least you can SEE if the shirt is in the holster in appendix position. You cant see that on the 3-5 position
@@lgdurocher I carry cross draw and don’t have any issues and no threat to shoot myself. Been carrying a gun for over 30 years, police, SWAT Blah, blah ETC.
Ill take my chances and rack on a draw if I ever have to, I'm not paranoid enough to think I'm going to die because of a extra step that takes all but .37 of a second. you should always be aware of your surroundings and see a threat first. I avoid sketchy situations anyways.
I agree with you, when im at the range i actually practice drawing my gun, racking a round and thumbing down the safety, it always less than a second
And in that .37 that bad guy can dirt nap you straight up
Appendix carry isnt just about fastest draw time which does matter, its also the most comfortable for riding in a car.
@@concernedcitizen2898 shoulder holster much better option
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Yea. Something had to have gotten into his holster. I've been carrying appendix using my tier 1 Agis holster since mid January and one in the chamber, no problems. Makes me think he had a peace of his under shirt he got tuck down in his holster and did look hard enough
I carry appendix but only with a high quality kydex holster. If you put your firearm in a holster. Then hold a flashlight to the backside if the trigger gard and you see light! Nope! That trigger isn't properly covered.
I will not re-holster a loaded gun. What I mean is I use holsters that can be put on with the gun already loaded in the holster. I am no gunfighter and am not going to sit here and train in and out of a holster so its better to error proof if you are not going to train that way.
UponGiantsShoulders true. Me too
Why not just get training and own the skill?
I never carry this way, Appendix carry violates rule #2, it's pointed at something I DO NOT wish to destroy... This is unfortunate...
I tell people this ALL the time.
@Steve Maduro.In a life and death situation,you will flag yourself or someone else. 🤔🇺🇸🇺🇸
@@josephsteaphens474 I agree, In a life or death situation without training, without automated responses that are developed through training, you’re entirely correct. I’ve lived through a life or death situation, and can’t say that my training went out the window, neither did I flag myself and other people.
There’s something to be said for the grip safeties in the XD line.
Yes I agree sending loaded guns back to Springfield to fix them when that grip safety fails is a great, safe idea
I carry appendix style at times. Clothing frequently dictates what will adequately conceal a firearm. I have not found a single carry position to meet every circumstance. But when I carry appendix I utilize a technique to provide a bigger margin of safety. I carry a Kahr PM 9 with a chambered round.
My appendix holster is a Vedder kydex model. When I place the Kahr in the holster I hold the grip below the trigger guard with a thumb on one side and fingers on the other side .I place the slide in the holster while twisting the grip towards my torso which tilts the holster away from my body. Even if lightning struck and the gun discharged, it would impact the floor in front of my right foot. Hope I never have the chance to prove this technique works but I am betting some important anatomy it will work.
My nads hurt watching that.. safety first guys
The only pistol I would carry appendix is the XDM or XDS from Springfield. Grip safety.
That's exactly what I carry. Xds .45 its grip safety really is great for peace of mind.
Trigger s arnt a hand grip
@@TheSnowsurfer7 HUH? shut up
@@TheSnowsurfer7
Obviously u don't know what a grip safety is.
M&p sheild has a safety on it
Yea then he THROWS the gun to the floor 2nd mistake.
It's alright, it wasnt a Sig P320...lol
I bet his exwife bought him that holster
@@bobburgess1100 lmao
drop safety
Agreed. Not a very responsible owner. Throwing the gun on the ground was a douche move.
is there a follow-up episode on this? I would like to know what failed and if it was preventable. All I took away from this episode is to never carry appendix!
There is none. They don't want to tell what really happened because it will contradict everything they tell you on how safe it is to carry with one in the pipe. They always give the reason why you should, but never tell you that there is a small next to never risk of a negligent discharge. But the small risk can also change your whole life.
Never carry with one in the chamber without a safty is what I took away from this.
I carry AIWB, but I only carry oistols with thimb safeties. It's really not that hard to learn to disengage a thumb safety while drawing.
If you carry a Glock appendix style, 1) holster it before you put the holster in your waistband (and if you draw, then remove the holster and do the same thing again when reholstering), 2) make sure it's a high quality and strong kydex holster that covers the entire trigger guard. If you do that, then your junk will be ok even with one in the chamber.
This why I carry an XD in appendix.
My dad, a US Force Recon Marine, always told me "never ever, ever, ever, point your pistol at you gun". Unfortuantely, this incident proves his point.
What’s a “you gun”?
@@allemander The jewels
As long as you have good safeties, don't carry a round in the chamber, and have a good holster it should be fine. Especially with appendix you can see if anything is in there and you can fix ir
@@pokemonmassa8689 carrying without a round chambered and thinking you’ll have time to rack it is like saying you’ll have time to put a seat belt on before a car wreck 😂
No matter where you carry on your body if it’s inside the waistband it’s gonna be pointed at some part of your body
4oclock it is then.
Actually it’s 4:08 right now!
I conceal carry a G19 always with one in the chamber. Never had a problem. The gun will not go off unless the trigger is pulled and it has to be pulled with a fair amount of force.
My friend many years ago did this exact same thing. He was a gun expert. He had a 45 and shot through the leg and it came out the back. Of course he went to the hospital and survived but the exit of the 45 was a big hole. It still does not explain how that semi fired. He could not have pulled the trigger.
This is why I'm nervous to have a round chambered.. I get why I should, but mechanical failure and all
The thing I love about DA/SA is that even if there were to be some kind of mechanical failure, there's no potential energy to set off the round when the hammer is down and at rest. That's why I have zero issue with AIWB a DA/SA gun or a revolver.
@@MrHav1k Agree about the hammer. But I still wouldn't point it at my junk.
Clearly it wasn't a kydex holster! I was anti appendix once until I couldn't reach my weapon with my shooting hand.
I know this is an old comment, but it was a kydex holster. It was a G-code Incog.
I always carry a Sig P365 in this manner. My weapon is always charged and holstered before I affix it to my belt. The handgun never leaves my holster for any reason but to clean and maintain and is always charged. No modern day firearm goes off by itself when properly handled and the trigger is not depressed. My safeties are a good holster and my finger. Trigger no move, Gun no Bang. :)
So right . There are things about this video that are just not right , a guy continues shuffling papers as a woman is coming to help almost before the shot and also there's the skip in the video and to top it off not any aftermath info . Where's the blood ?
Thats what i carry in a tulster holster appendix this vid made me scared man :/ but i always have the gun in holster then holster with gun in pants this sucks tho
My Sig P320 went off IN the holster.. I along w/ over 100 ppl sued Sig.. many are LEO
@@j.e.bennett2997 I have an Xcarry. That's exactly what it currently is, an EX carry.
Give Me Liberty Or Give Me Death the older p320 correct?
I have been carrying for 22 yrs always carry about 4 o'clock. I started carrying apendix but I bought a hk p30sk because it is double action single action with a decocker.
My Beretta PX4 has decocker or I would always leave the chamber unloaded
Wow. That straightened him up really quickly. 😳 I hope he's alright
I carry appendix for many years with a Glock 26. When I drop something, I always bend at the knees not at the waist like this guy.
Here's what I told my academy cadets. If you have to change your gun, holster, the way you carry or your body position is uncomfortable, you are doing something wrong.
i always just slightly pull up my belt and bend over like normal. it really should amke no difference if you have a proper holster.
This is the first video/news that I've seen about this. I wonder how often this actually happens.
On UA-cam I’ve seen another one where a cop in the office is holstering his Glock and it fired.
Also another one where an FBI agent is in a club dancing and he does a flip….while he is carrying. His gun flies out and lands on the dance floor. In his panic he grabs the gun with both hands like an octopus and a finger gets on the trigger and discharges hitting a bystander in the leg.
I carry a 1911 at 4 o'clock condition 1 but am very cautious when holstering.
One of the first things I ever learned about striker fired handguns was to put a gun into the holster and then put the holster into your pants.
It goes to reason that you do this in the morning when you get dressed and don't be playing with the gun during the day. If it is not comfortable for you to carry appendix, Get another type gun or a holster that is comfortable.
My P365 in a Vedder holster with the claw under my T-Shirt is not really felt much at all, I can wear it all day long with no problem and the gun is never out of the holster. If it is ever out of the holster, the holster will be removed and gun inserted before it being shoved into my pants.
We're all pretty much dug in on the matters of positive safety vs no positive safety, and round in the chamber vs not. Nobody's changing their mind anytime soon. I don't carry "appendix" because I don't point my gun at anything I don't plan to destroy.
I still carry AIWB. and use the Vedder Light tuck. Read issues are more likely to occur with leather or hybrid holsters that are not maintained. (Still fault of the person). I personally have a safety on all weapons that can come with one because the M1911A was the first pistol i every trained on. Well Over 10,000 draws with the safety coming off before the gun is at retention. It is automatic for me. Even when i use a friend's Glock i thumb off an imaginary safety out of habit. The S&W 2.0 C is my EDC but i agree if you are going to carry AIWB with a safety YOU MUST TRAIN to the point that thumbing off the safety is automatic.
That's for me. If you don't like a safety, don't use one. AIWB conceals so well for me, so i use it. Plus i got into better shape because of it since i didn't want to buy new clothes. (bigger size pants and lost inches off the waist)
People who struggle with manual safeties also struggle with light switches.
These people should not own guns...
I carry a Taurus pt111g2c with a trigger safety and a manual safety and always carry with a round in the chamber and the safety on . My holster is either on my appendix or 4 o clock
I do not have the answer to how this happened but I was a firearms instructor for quite a while, there was a NY PD officer who had similar thing happen but he had a side holster. What happened in his case was the elastic cord on his jacket got caught in the trigger guard and when he holstered the weapon it discharged. I would bet this man had some kind of waist band strap that got into the trigger guard. When I holster my 43 into my KYDEX, I place the pistol in the holster then install the holster to prevent such potential accidents.
This is why I holster the weapon and then put the holster in my waist band. And my holster completely covers trigger. I also remove the holster with firearm still in it when I need to stop it for bedtime etc. The only time this will change is if obviously I need the weapon in an emergency life or death defensive situation. And even then I will remove holster from waist before reholstering.
That is why I carry a 2011 instead of a Glock. Manual safety and grip safety. My thumb rides the manual safety while i shoot for recoil control. So when I draw my thumb is already pressing down the manual safety.
2011 pistol is very nice but if that's your reason for carrying it I think you missed the point
A demonstration of "Glock Perfection" with the "Safe Action" trigger mechanism.
My pants are always sagging when I carry in 4 o clock. Appendix keeps my pants on and I got use to how to move with if there. Always keep fingers and objects alway from trigger until ready to fire. I don’t have a safety, it’s one extra step in life or death situations
I appendix carry a glock 19. I don't ever wear an undershirt. I also never reholster a loaded weapon while wearing the holster. My holster covers the trigger completely and the retention locks it in place. If I go to the range I wear outside the waist band. I practice appendix draw with an unloaded safe gun. I wear it around the house and stay used to it. I don't have issue. It's all about how safe you are.
Ive actually done this in 2010.. shattered my femur. Entirely my fault. However my personal decision, in addition to training is double/single action carrys as opposed to striker fire. To me it adds an additional comfort to ride the hammer into the holster with my thumb while holstering.
"Why is he carrying a round in the chamber?" Is not a debate. You dont carry with an empty chamber. Period.
Amen brother.. empty chamber carry will get you killed.
Not period. Your word isn’t the final say. Carry anyway you feel most comfortable. Period.
Macho B.S. Your keyboard commando edict is NOT the final word.
I’m sure this guy regret his decision to carry chambered.
I've been waiting for one of these! Appendix carry has become more popular lately and it was just a matter of time that we'd see some kind of equipment failure. At least we know the firearm was drop safe
What equipment failed he didn't mention in the video.What failed?
It wasn't a firearm failure. It was operator error
Plus we don’t know if it is drop safe because I’m sure it did not cycle another round into the chamber.
I’m back to 4 o’clock carry. I really like AIWB carry. It’s faster to draw and less printing. I’ll still carry AIWB on double action only and not Glock.
Glocks are perfectly safe as long as a holster is used and you aren't an idiot.
Totally agree with you Kevin. I know two highly trained police officers that have been shot in the leg reholstering their "safe" Glocks in their duty holster. That stupid "safety" trigger somehow caught on something. A normal thumb safety or double action would never have gone off. Did you know that there are more Glock returns by new gun owners just because of that "safety"?
I would rather get shot in leg than on groins
I appendix carry. I do it so I am able to constantly watch as I am holstering or re-holstering. It is just my preference and I would expect everyone to establish their own preferences.
Found this years later, but I was actually there! My poor manager regularly went to shooting ranges so she instantly knew when it went off what had happened and dove behind a bunker, while I was stunned not understanding what was happening 🤦♂️😂