@@xavierb9061True but its because he started taking the primary offensive role on his teams. Which is insane cause he started as a defensive specialist role player.
His wingspan made his giant hands THAT much worse. Jordan and Pippen played off of each other's defensive weaknesses. Kawhi was just both players defensively.
no matter what the haters say, understand that if you don't hoop, you wouldn't know how taxing being a defender is, especially with how quick you have to move laterally and vertically some times. Your legs need to be super strong but your hips and back need to be overly-flexible. I get why the guy has injury issues now in his old age and its more so due to being a solid defender back in his earlier years. (Kwahi)
There used to be a Kawhi steals compilation from 2016. The quality was super good & it had Bob Marley’s “no woman no cry” playing in the background. The video got taken down. It was the greatest defensive Kawhi mix. That video was therapeutic & beautiful. If anyone screen recorded it - please re-upload it!
-- One of the BEST non-MVP players ever. Other notable non-MVP potential GOATs? TMac, Kevin McHale. Just thinking out loud. Honorable mention? Maybe Pippen, Luka/SGA for now.
I remember at one point stat heads realized that the Spurs were conceding more points with Kawhi on the court than with him off. Turned out teams were telling his man to go stand in the corner, taking him out of the game, while they attacked the other Spurs 4 on 4. In one game against Chicago, Jimmy Butler stood several feet behind the 3 point line with Kawhi on him, making no effort to get the ball.
@frz_- Well I thought it was Thinking Basketball but after searching, I may be wrong. Maybe Bballbreakdown or an older basketball channel may have it, but I'll post it here if I ever find it
Young and prime kawhi the goat best defender of his era I agree he might be even a better defender in the 90 or when the hand check is available for him to thrive as defender
FACT, when some people say all the nba is soft now i just spit out my water, kawhi was stronger than pippen with (as far as we know) the same level defense but kawhi was handi capped by the handchecking rule, imagine kawhis big ass hand on your hip playing defense, i would just ask to be waived before a game against him.
thats why kawhi would be in my all time sf spot, I understand larry, bron and kd have had more success, but kawhi's suffocating defense and long wingspan would wreck havoc along side jordan, garnett hakeem and curry. Him and mj would be the perfect go to clutch scorers
Bro was a ball hawk Gamble God back den he still really good now its just he dont run all over the place and shit he be chilling till he gotta remind dem he can take it if he wants
Holy shit kawhi really is a robot, like you said his defensive instincts are insane most of the steals on the ball handlers are just simply because he’s reading the offensive players mind way before they know what they’re gonna do
Best is he a top 20 player? I actually have him ahead of KD But respect if tied or right behind KD 2 DPOY > MVP 2 Finals MVP on TWO different teams KD only has won with the Dynasty Warriors Kawhi won with Old Spurs (still great yes) and then Great Raps 2 Chips = 2 Chips
Great video! Excellent clips and analysis. But don’t start graphs from 90. It’s misleading, and if your argument is sound, it’s unnecessary. Man, The Claw was/is something else!
I Always Say It, 2017 Spurs Kawhi is his best version ever, he was doing crazier stuff on defense any ever before and had already unlocked his Generational Playoff offense, ‘17 Whi>>>
Hoopsvenue how would you compare OGs defense now compared to Kawhis defensive peak? They both have similar builds (6' 7 + 7'3 wingspan) so im curious to know your take
Look at the players he’s doing this against! Any logical person has to see he’s the most impactful/disruptive defensive perimeter player to ever play the game! Top five defensive player ever as well !
Most interesting that about him was he never mis timed a block. Watch his feet every single time he contests in this video tell me he doesn't match the pace and timing when a player takes 2 steps slashing to the bucket.
How would you compare Ben Simmons' defense in 2021 to those other ATG perimeter defenders? It was a small sample size, but I think his perimeter defense that year was the best we've seen in the 2020s besides maybe Herb Jones last year
Injuries took a toll on who he is defensively these past handful of years (still really good) but kawhi before the injuries is the best wing defender ever & I personally don’t think it’s even that close
I've only ever seen two other players get a no-look steal. Kawhi is the ONLY dude I've ever seen get 2 no-look steals, _that's twice in the same season,_ and four times for his career.
I think as a non big man I think Dennis Rodman is the greatest defensive player outside of that as a big man I think it is either Kevin Garnett or Bill Russell
Players don’t play like this anymore, it’s three or nothing; defense included. Kawhi is an all around player, he played defense , his mid range is lethal and he can shoot the three.
Pippen was better. ANYONE who watched both will tell you. And Kawhi COULDN'T guard Westbrook in those KD/Westbrook years. Like AT ALL. Go back and watch it. Kawhi was too slow footed to guard point guards. Pippen could legitimately guard 1-5 in the 90s. Draymond is a better defender than Kawhi as well for versatility and truthfully 1 of Kawhi's DPotY awards SHOULD HAVE BEEN Draymond's. Same with at least 1 of Rudy Gobert's awards.
@@a3per818 no he wasn’t. Draymond also had better defensive help and kawhi anchored a better defensive team. The only non-big to anchor a top 10 defense of alltime in 2016.
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Kwahi + Duncan was just absurd defensively
03 Duncan and 15 Kawhi defensively would be the GOAT defensive duo and no one can tell me otherwise
@@xavierb9061True but its because he started taking the primary offensive role on his teams. Which is insane cause he started as a defensive specialist role player.
Duncan was lowkey declining defensively heavy by here
@@d3adyoutubeaccountDuncan was a major positive (fringe All-D) from the 12-15 period. Fell off heavily on his last season tho
Hakeem was a better defender than Duncan
His wingspan made his giant hands THAT much worse. Jordan and Pippen played off of each other's defensive weaknesses. Kawhi was just both players defensively.
Nah not both defensively
He didn't have Jordan's straight line speed
@@dark8prince201 Kawhi is a better defender than mj in my eyes.
@@prezian1312Facts
@@dark8prince201Kawhi is miles ahead of MJ defensively.
Leaving that Shawn Marion shot in the footage is diabolical.
I even rewinded it a bit because I didn’t realized who it was and assumed someone managed to get a hand in the bal 😂😂
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@@A-Plays-Games 1:15
no matter what the haters say, understand that if you don't hoop, you wouldn't know how taxing being a defender is, especially with how quick you have to move laterally and vertically some times. Your legs need to be super strong but your hips and back need to be overly-flexible. I get why the guy has injury issues now in his old age and its more so due to being a solid defender back in his earlier years. (Kwahi)
There used to be a Kawhi steals compilation from 2016. The quality was super good & it had Bob Marley’s “no woman no cry” playing in the background.
The video got taken down. It was the greatest defensive Kawhi mix.
That video was therapeutic & beautiful. If anyone screen recorded it - please re-upload it!
Injuries really robbed us from seeing how great he could have been for his whole career.
-- One of the BEST non-MVP players ever.
Other notable non-MVP potential GOATs? TMac, Kevin McHale. Just thinking out loud.
Honorable mention? Maybe Pippen, Luka/SGA for now.
@@jlui21for peak? I lean toward D-Wade tbh. Kawhi defo in the convo. Chris Paul also a big candidate for me.
Bro we saw his peak its not like he is a greg oden or d rose😂
@@anubis4032 I guess that’s true but he’s been injured so much that he’s been like a non factor for a while now.
I still hate zaza for that closeout
A man than lanky and strong shouldn't be allowed to be that quick and fluid absolute CHEATCODE
I don't think lanky is the word you're looking for. He is built
I remember at one point stat heads realized that the Spurs were conceding more points with Kawhi on the court than with him off. Turned out teams were telling his man to go stand in the corner, taking him out of the game, while they attacked the other Spurs 4 on 4. In one game against Chicago, Jimmy Butler stood several feet behind the 3 point line with Kawhi on him, making no effort to get the ball.
Surprised the Spurs didn't just zone up in response to that
There was a Thinking Basketball video on this that really pointed this fact out
Edit: It wasn't Thinking Basketball. Sorry guys 😭
@@Spawnamvs I think that's where I saw it.
@@Spawnamvswhich video?
@frz_- Well I thought it was Thinking Basketball but after searching, I may be wrong. Maybe Bballbreakdown or an older basketball channel may have it, but I'll post it here if I ever find it
Young and prime kawhi the goat best defender of his era I agree he might be even a better defender in the 90 or when the hand check is available for him to thrive as defender
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FACT, when some people say all the nba is soft now i just spit out my water, kawhi was stronger than pippen with (as far as we know) the same level defense but kawhi was handi capped by the handchecking rule, imagine kawhis big ass hand on your hip playing defense, i would just ask to be waived before a game against him.
@@kennn30overrated donkey. If he was drafted to any other team, his greatest achievement would be 1 time 3rd team all defense.
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Why u always every where. Also people in 2k do have crazy egos
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@@waff6ix I feel u bro keep doing your thing and don’t sellout to the free masons when u get to the top
Stop talking in caps
thats why kawhi would be in my all time sf spot, I understand larry, bron and kd have had more success, but kawhi's suffocating defense and long wingspan would wreck havoc along side jordan, garnett hakeem and curry. Him and mj would be the perfect go to clutch scorers
To do what he did WITHOUT hand checking is why I have him as the goat perimeter defender over pippen
What is Pippen's defensive advantage over Kawhi?
That Shawn Marion shot was atrocious 😂 1:20
I burst out laughing when I saw that
Bro was a ball hawk Gamble God back den he still really good now its just he dont run all over the place and shit he be chilling till he gotta remind dem he can take it if he wants
Holy shit kawhi really is a robot, like you said his defensive instincts are insane most of the steals on the ball handlers are just simply because he’s reading the offensive players mind way before they know what they’re gonna do
Board man gets paiddd
Greatest perimeter defender of all time ?
I'M BEGGING YOU TO DO A PRIME BEN WALLACE VID OR A 2004 PISTONS VID
Omg Ben Wallace was one of my favourite defenders.
You should make a top 20 defenders in the nba similar to your top 25 players.
Imagine Kawhi Leonard stay healthy in his NBA CAREER DAMN
“Was” 😂😂😂 still is
lol true, dude still has long defensive highlights every season
love ur vids
Thank you!
Yes a Kawhi defense video!!!
In a parallel universe, kawhi is mentoring sochan in the spurs.
Board Man gets paid
it was crazier witnessing that Toronto run, dude was carrying in offense AND defense, like he had ultra instinct
Idk about carrying but he was the superstar on both sides
Great video. You should make a video about his offensive evolution throughout the year and how he would’ve ranked alltime if it wasn’t for injuries.
What a great work !!!! Thank you
Thanks for watching!
Pre load management Kawhi was a sight to seee 🤧
Best is he a top 20 player?
I actually have him ahead of KD
But respect if tied or right behind KD
2 DPOY > MVP
2 Finals MVP on TWO different teams
KD only has won with the Dynasty Warriors
Kawhi won with Old Spurs (still great yes) and then Great Raps
2 Chips = 2 Chips
Keep up the good work I look forward to your videos
hoopvenue + dinner omg
Hey Hoop Venue, can you please make a Steve Nash video?
I miss Kawhi on the Spurs. I hope he returns to the team someday.
@ 1.20 is so funny. Bron passed to a wide open Channing who hit the top of the backboard 🤣🤣🤣
Exceptional Top Tier Defender
love this channel, should have much more subs
I was just thinking last night about Kawhi and now I see this the next morning lol
"your oral fixation"
bro was paid to read a script lmaoo
Love Mr.Pippen but this guy is best wing defender ever period. Plus he’s doing this in a offensive era!!
Another banger 🔥
With the emphasis on “Was”
Great video! Excellent clips and analysis. But don’t start graphs from 90. It’s misleading, and if your argument is sound, it’s unnecessary. Man, The Claw was/is something else!
Did not expect to hear the name Alonzo Gee today
I Always Say It, 2017 Spurs Kawhi is his best version ever, he was doing crazier stuff on defense any ever before and had already unlocked his Generational Playoff offense, ‘17 Whi>>>
Hoopsvenue how would you compare OGs defense now compared to Kawhis defensive peak? They both have similar builds (6' 7 + 7'3 wingspan) so im curious to know your take
Look at the players he’s doing this against! Any logical person has to see he’s the most impactful/disruptive defensive perimeter player to ever play the game! Top five defensive player ever as well
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Most interesting that about him was he never mis timed a block. Watch his feet every single time he contests in this video tell me he doesn't match the pace and timing when a player takes 2 steps slashing to the bucket.
You know... there is just the big fat "I" with kawhi and i love this dudes game
i feel like og anunoby can (might already have tbh) come close this level of kawhi’s defense
How would you compare Ben Simmons' defense in 2021 to those other ATG perimeter defenders? It was a small sample size, but I think his perimeter defense that year was the best we've seen in the 2020s besides maybe Herb Jones last year
Injuries took a toll on who he is defensively these past handful of years (still really good) but kawhi before the injuries is the best wing defender ever & I personally don’t think it’s even that close
I'm begging you to cover tim duncan dude
great vid we need jimmy or pg next
I've only ever seen two other players get a no-look steal.
Kawhi is the ONLY dude I've ever seen get 2 no-look steals, _that's twice in the same season,_ and four times for his career.
I miss the old music you used in videos tbh
Can’t wait to watch this video
Kawhi or dray? (Defensively)
Idk bro that's a Tuff answer 😅
Not even a question kawhi
Kawhi has more steals than fouls. Draymond isn't even known for stealing the ball.
now he’s the perfect bench defender
Would easily be a top 10 player all-time if he managed to stay healthy
He should have 3, really 4 DPOYs awards!
It’s funny how shook LeFraud is when Leonard is guarding him
Even in a Kawhi video, people still hating on Bron 😂😂😂
I think as a non big man I think Dennis Rodman is the greatest defensive player outside of that as a big man I think it is either Kevin Garnett or Bill Russell
No getting around Kawhi if he were able to hand check!
That crossover killer of a claw is so disgusting, you could not dribble in front of this guy chest to chest and expect to keep it.
Players don’t play like this anymore, it’s three or nothing; defense included. Kawhi is an all around player, he played defense , his mid range is lethal and he can shoot the three.
Kawhi or Pippen defensively
Could go either way. I think Pippen could've been more like Draymond had illegal defense not impeded his ability to play free safety.
@@HoopVenueI think kawhi was a better team defender too, but PG could also get in this convo tbh.
Kawhi
Pippen
both are great, couldn’t go wrong either way. i think kawhi had a easier time with smaller guards but pippen was better in guarding bigger forwards.
From about 2014 to 2017, Kawhi Leonard was the best defensive player in the NBA.
The Claw has been the best since Scottie Pippen.
1:20 WHAT IS THAT FORM
I'm an old school fan but Kawhi is my favourite player of all time..... Mj is still the GOAT though😉✌🇹🇹
Isaiah Thomas next…?
Was?!
Lucki can do no wrong in my eyes
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John Wall
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Amennn god blesss you all and Jesus loves you all and follow god road Amennnn
Anthony Davis
I always daid kawhi was a less athletic MJ bro could Make yoyr best backcourt player a non factor and drop 30 on your head with ease
Pippen was better. ANYONE who watched both will tell you. And Kawhi COULDN'T guard Westbrook in those KD/Westbrook years. Like AT ALL. Go back and watch it. Kawhi was too slow footed to guard point guards. Pippen could legitimately guard 1-5 in the 90s. Draymond is a better defender than Kawhi as well for versatility and truthfully 1 of Kawhi's DPotY awards SHOULD HAVE BEEN Draymond's. Same with at least 1 of Rudy Gobert's awards.
This is a really boring way to talk about greatness. It's much more interesting to give the best arguments against it, and show how they fail.
2:55 and look at the kInG immediately and hysterically crying foul. My god his mentality is insufferable.
Why is it insufferable? His pressure to succeed is that great. Be glad it's not yours.
@@poly_g6068because he rather waste time aka load management on court by talking/whining at the ref instead getting back into defense.
@@stump4522 You're describing two different things.
I think Roberson was on his level
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Khawhi Gets 2 DPOYs Draymond gets 1 yet Pippen had none Total Blasphemy Klaw ain't better than Scottie Pippen on D 💯😁
I don't know man, Kawhi been doing it with modern rules wich heavely partial to the offensive end, and he does really clean defense
He makes defense look poetic!!
Yes he is
Kawhi plays an era that favors offense.
Pippen averages 2 steals for his career to Klaws 1.7 and Pip has a career Def Rating of 101.4 to Klaws 103.2 😂 Yeah Pip is Easily Better 💯
it's harder to achieve those with modern day rules which is heavily favoring the offensive side, his stat could boost with old time rules
Naw
As great as Kawhi is, he stole my pookie Draymond's DPOYs twice 😠
Not in 2016. 2015 is arguable.
@@kevinira256 Draymond was easily better in both years
@@a3per818 no he wasn’t. Draymond also had better defensive help and kawhi anchored a better defensive team. The only non-big to anchor a top 10 defense of alltime in 2016.
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