@@jayvang7490 I didnt say that the Punisher is any better, but its still a shitty symbol. Firefighters are cool, they dont need to wear patches of shitty superheroes.
The Seals themselves have turned into a bit of a mess. Thanks to American Sniper and the Bin Laden op, it seems like they've followed in the footsteps of the SAS, and everyone's just there for a book deal.
@@Del_S Well said and entirely true. Moreover, the suicide rates of special team MIL personnel is staggeringly high not to mention their outright violent behavior once in the civilian world. Department of Defense and Department of Veteran Affairs are due for a legal reckoning.
The Punisher: "This skull represents the failure of the justice system, the failure of the organizations that uphold them, and the vow I made to seek out my own." Police officers: "Yeah, I'mma wear that"
Mandolorians have been in military usage since about 2005 I want to say, considering their kind of “Spartan” life style. Knew quite a few marines that had patches or got tattoos.
I'm a closet Punisher fan, really love the comics, and I thought the most recent Marvel series was an original take. You did a great job covering the history as well as keeping it pretty even leveled. Seriously great work
One of the most important problems with the Punisher that rarely ever gets addressed: What the hell happened to that minigun he had at the end of Daredevil Season Two?! He never used it in his own show! Did he realise it'd cost like $400,000 to fire it for twelve seconds?
@@nightfury8440 Clancy Brown had it at first and that explains everything since he's also The Kurgan, Lex Luthor, Drill Instructor Zim, and... uh, Mr Krabs.
@@bravo6959 probably cause he mentioned a lot of political shit, and remained perfectly neutral. The person is upset that he never lambasted antifa or blm
"I'll say this only once, we're not the same. You took an oath to uphold the law. you help people. I gave that all up a long time ago. You don't do what I do, nobody does. You boys need a role model? His name is Captain America and he'd be happy to have you" - The Punisher to police officers who idolised him
i really love that last line of referencing captain america because he's what should represent american law enforcement and military a patriot that does anything in their power to uphold peace of the united states and all their allies not a vigilante on a mission to get revenge
People always forget to add the best line of that comic. Cop: Who the hell do you think you are? Like it or not, you started something. You showed how It's done. Now you don't like others following your example? Too bad tough guy. Punisher: If I find out you are trying to do what I do, I'll come for you next. Cop: Careful what you say here Castle. Starting to sound an awful lot like a threat. Punisher: It was.
@@1CE. I take no offence from the symbol at all. I fully understand what it represents and why people use it. But if you get offended by by a relevant quote about using the punisher skull symbol from a comic book character then that's on you.
I don’t think it’s sufficiently nuanced, due to the lack of detail on the groups using the logo. In the attempt to skate between controversy, he lost necessary context.
@@hangingchad1616 ...exactly ...me....you + everybody in this comment section can pretty much piece together that the skull face paint and or design was most likely used by an african or native Indian tribe that was wiped out ...and the conquerors said thanks guys ...and we'll never really know 😂
Police officers forming a secret club called "The Punishers" and wearing matching black clothes to commit "vigilante justice" is kind of the cringiest thing you could do
@@ethan5354 The whole thing is a massive cringe fest. Everything about the symbol, all the way back to the original comic, is a power fantasy. The symbol is almost always used by people who have some power, regardless of social status or political beliefs, and have a "might makes right" attitude about getting more.
@@peteranderson037 especially when the punisher isn’t supposed to be someone who’s idolized but pittied because of how fucked up he and his life is and how he will never find solace. BUT NAH THO DUDE BRO YEAAAH PUNISHER LIFE WOOT
so glad my punisher t shirt has the words "the punisher" as well just so I'm not caught up with the skulls meaning and just appriciate the show and bernthals acting
@@darkmario3321 just rock what you want. Its not an overt hate symbol like a Black Swastika on a white and red vack ground, its not a unique emblem like the Sickle and Hammer, its a logo from a comic book that looks cool. Automatically allowing the negative aspects of things to trump thr good ones gives power to your enemies. Imagine if Neo Natsocs started using the rainbow. You wouldn't just give it to them would you?
Same with me and Canada, it was certainly a shock seeing the Canadian variant. I mean seriously, they just added a line right through the middle, absolutely no regard to proper flag design!
You're not alone. It was once edgy to have the punisher logo. Now its even more edgy to hate it because its edgy to like it... Gotta love stupid people and how they have to be trendy. I'll like what I like, regardless of what people think...
As a lifelong Punisher fan thank you for this great look at the symbol. Even as a vet and fan I am saddened by the use of the logo by folks that miss the whole point of Frank and how his life isn't to be idolized but pitied as he has lost everything and just has unending violence now.
@@unknownhandyman6821 it shows they're idiots. The Punisher killed cops too because they were criminals, yet Cops who wear it won't so much as report the criminal element among them.
Very simple reason: he's too badass, that impresses people to the point that they want to emulate the impossible efficiency of the Punisher, while ignoring his tragic, tortured life and horrible moral boundaries.
When I was little and saw the punisher skull on people's uniforms and stuff, I just thought they were a fan of Marvel. Needless to say I was always wondering how such a huge fan base was never as vocal as the fans for other Marvel characters, especially considering the effort to spray paint his emblem and make patches and stuff. You never see a cop with Spiderman's spider emblem.
Because most other super heroes are pretentious on the grounds that "Killing your enemy makes you just like them," Whereas Punisher just thinks "Killing your enemy means less enemy to worry about later," Especially when considering that while Batman and Superman and Spiderman and Wonder Woman and all the others are constantly having to fight the same enemies, over and over... Punisher typically only has to fight his particular enemy once. Because they don't get back up when he accomplishes his mission.
The best Punisher comic panel: Surrounded by burnt out cars, spent shell casings and body bags, a NYPD officer answers an off panel question; "AM I SURE IT WAS THE PUNISHER?!? IS THAT SUPPOSED TO BE FUNNY?!?"
You didn't mention that the Jolly Roger ensign was the symbol for "We'll take prisoners & ransom" vs. red ensign "You've pissed us off now & you're all going to die, you should have surrendered when you had the chance." in pirate use...
I am familiar red flags designated 'more aggressive pirates', but I wasn't sure that was anything more than an intimidation tactic. The red pirate flags I was familiar with were the specific flags of specific captain's, so they didn't have a 'standard' flag. So I thought it was just a design choice to look scary, not a sure-fure declaration, to be flown when necessary, especially since flags were precious and expensive and multiple flags to fly would be quite an expense.
Ah so pirate history mostly comes from one guy that was either a pirate or a member of the British bureaucracy that would issue pardons to pirates. It’s generally reliable but not perfect. So the Devil stabbing the heart that we associate with Blackbeard probably wasn’t exclusive to him as there are accounts of pirates being hanged under the flag of their ship which is very similar, of course brand recognition is a thing and they probably copied the angriest bastard they could think of in the hopes that merchants would go “Oh fuck Blackbeard better just give up” Moreover there wasn’t ever really an agreement about Black vs Red and was more dependent on what the crew could make up, some people weren’t good at making skulls perhaps. Jean Duleain (check spelling) for example flew a black flag and would let his prize fire three times before declaring that they would have to die when they got caught unless they were Spanish, then it was death for certain. So we can assume that a lot of pirates flew a plain black flag because it was a straightforward established symbol of “death is here” from plague ships moored in harbors. Also literacy wasn’t great back then so a description of “A black flag adorned with a skeleton a sword and a heart” could be depicted many different ways and associated with multiple pirates. This is further muddled by the pirates using many different names and some accidentally having the same name like “Black Sam” who was likely Sam Bellamy and Samual Brown. TL;DR Pirate flags are a mess and probably not as cool as we all think but it won’t stop me from enjoying them.
Actualy surprised about how little hate coments therw have been on a chanel about military uniforms. I whoudve expected many more people taking issue with his prespective that the skull was used by white supremesists.
@@arkanstigers6007 Define what's considered "complaining" to you. Critiquing the use of these symbols by police, B2B, and other similar groups is not "complaining", with said critique being a big thing in the actual Left. Anyways, no one is saying you can't like Punisher so let's not misrepresent the argument. I expected more from someone who's "Left wing".
We just all gotta chill with the symbols yes if it’s used in a context where it’s extreme it’s bad ofc Punisher skull Viking symbol but don’t assume someone who has a hat or T-shirt with punisher on they are pro police or military one of the writers who wrote one comic idk who said he does not like what he’s being used for the man is anti police and anti military if you actually read the comics or watch the movie you will see it’s like a last thing you see before death to bad people the bad people in this scenario are the right wingers who use it to target Muslims you can tell this because the American or blue lives matter flag is printed on it so I think we should just chill don’t assume things unless it’s got a huge dog whistle to it
@@casematecardinal Or a mass murderer who takes it upon himself to be judge, jury, and executioner. Which is why it's fucked up fpr cops to use it when one of the largest complaints agianst them is literally their over use of lethal force
Don't know about your country but in mine firefighters are can be used as police/medic (mostly in drunken non-armed encounter of course)if none police officers are on the scene. Now the punisher skull is reaally become a sign of rally of every trash-people of every communities. Edit: i've just realised that my profile pic (from mgs) contain a skull, atleast it's not the punisher's skull and i don't do politics soo.
@@chibani- i dont know about them acting as police so much, they are kind of an authority and would probably like break up fights and stuff but i dont think they can detain anyone outside of what a normal citizen could do. Being medics however, they absolutely do, they're firemen and I'm pretty sure they all have to go through first aid training and all that, plus they also always travel with an ambulance. If the firefighters are called then an ambulance or probably multiple depending on the call will always go with them.
Exactly People are just digging for some deeper meaning that isn’t there It’s just looks cool, that’s literally it but sensitive types see it mainly used by the right wing and so must seeth
I really appreciate the use of the 2004 Punisher OST in the background. I remember when the Punisher skull was cool. Many, many years ago. But now, it'd be hard to find someone who doesn't think it's cringe. Including myself.
It’s really only suitable in a military context. Everywhere else is kind of stupid. The idea of justified killing is a pillar of war, and honestly, the punisher skull in the ME has gained a more military role than a relation to the comic book, with it being a common tag, as was shown in the video.
@@olivedrabwool I don't think that follows. If I like x and think it's cool (1) and other people who are cringe also think it's cool.(2) other people liking x changes x.(a) Then the x I like is now cringe.(3) I'm gonna have to disagree on your hidden premise (a).
@@JP-rf8rr don't bring math into this. Or whatever that is. When the Punisher skull was a symbol for righting wrongs and fighting back against a corrupt system, it was cool. But when the symbol came to mean something else and the original message was subverted by every douchebag who thought he was Frank Castle as he cleaned up the Walmart parking lot of all the wolves and sheep, it lost its meaning. It became cringe. Punisher skull sucks now. End of story.
@@jerry12314 What views and opinions. He put as much history and facts into 35 minute UA-cam video. He didn't say which side was right he just pointed out what the major opinions are. Just because the video didn't vindicate your beliefs doesn't mean he did a bad job.
@@jatelf7 Like he said, it's milquetoast as fuck. There's nothing ballsy about that. OP was saying that it was ballsy, when being completely neutral and not siding with anyone isn't remotely ballsy.
*Frank Castle:* is a demented murderer that has given up on justice and is on a suicidal quest of endless revenge *Bob, 55, Alabama, eyeballed an interracial couple in the mall for 20 mins:* OMG HE IS LITERALLY ME
@@MaggiesNight enlighten me then dude. i never said i didn't like the punisher, he is really badass but also a complex character. It takes a little thought too see past Frank's motivations and principles and start seeing his methods and actions. He is like that by design, and i like it that way, but if you can't see past the "badass guy kills bad guy" aesthetic, you don't understand Punisher
@@dominicbegay9355 its preety much the oldest insignia for military/police/warbands... or really anything involving combat there is. Also using any insignia ironicly is unprofessional
The fact that police relate to the Punisher and can’t read the subtext of the character is a huge problem as is. Frank’s mindset is he should be “judge, jury, and executioner” and that criminals, regardless of what they do, shouldn’t be shown any mercy. The police are not and never should be any of those things, and we have courts for a reason.
To be fair, I'm pretty sure most police officers uses the symbol because they think it's cool without knowing or caring about the meaning behind the skull
They know that plently of cops have also seen some of the worst humanity had to offer. Bet you some of them wish they could just kill the criminals (actual criminals) they come across but if the criminal surrenders they have to follow their police training and detain
idk man, i feel like a group made to "protect and serve" shouldn't be represented by a skull or a "warrior symbol." i just feel like cops should be oriented towards helping people instead of, you know, killing
I hate that seeing a Punisher skull no longer alerts me that somebody else is a fan of the comics, and instead that they're probably somebody I would just find insufferable to talk to. I love The Punisher comics. One of my favorite storylines is when he infiltrates a white supremacist group run by Hatemonger (who, yes, is an actual Marvel comics villain and mostly went up against Captain America), and very interestingly in retrospect, The Punisher dons a version of his uniform with the Punisher skull that looks like Captain America's in his final showdown against Hatemonger. There were even flashbacks included of The Punisher's previous encounters with Cap, and it clearly shows that as much as The Punisher revered Cap, Cap friggin' hated The Punisher and everything he stood for, and was not afraid to say so. This storyline took place after Cap was killed in the events following the Marvel Civil War, and another superhero did chew out Punisher for the Cap-inspired uniform. It's just very interesting to me that the issue of a symbol being appropriated by bad actors was explored in the mid-2000's, around the time when the Punisher skull was first being used in Iraq, and now we have white supremacists, a group that Frank fought against in the comics and hated, also adopting his skull. Frank Castle, when he's written well, can be such a complex and interesting character in the Marvel universe. He can also be a lot of fun, since a lot of writers like to use him for very dark humor and it's great. It just sucks to see people who probably don't even read comics just adopt the skull and turn it into a symbol of their weird beliefs. At least this would never happen to my mans Howard the Duck.
@John Doe I'm not a fan of seeing people like white supremacists use things and then just rolling over and giving it to them but at the same time, I also don't want to have to explain myself whenever I go out in public with merch for a comic book character I like. I'd feel safer wearing Punisher merch at a comic book convention than I would just out on the town. It's funny, because I also have a parody MAGA hat that says "Make Everything Terrible Again" that I also don't wear outside of conventions because I feel like people are more inclined to read things and accept irony. I did have one person say they were on edge when they saw it... until they read it. Weirdly, I was in a pre-registration line for an anime convention a few years back and was a few spaces ahead of a dude wearing a real MAGA hat with different colors. And he had a thick west African accent. I do like the idea of repurposing or taking back symbols used by groups like this, but unfortunately, there are also people who just like to pick fights and don't want to hear your explanation of "I'm just a fan of the comics." I am very small and easily overpowered, so I tend to be very conflict avoidant IRL. I won't tell any Punisher fan that they can't wear Punisher merch. I just wish I could wear it without fear of somebody singling me out as a right-wing, white supremacist, and it sucks. My Howard the Duck shirt, though? That gets me compliments. I love my Howard the Duck shirt. It unites us all.
@@KillerOrca If the factt that 70 million people voted for a man that openly supported Neo-Nazis and fascist insurrectionists have anything to say about it, a hypernationalist militaristic jackass with a penchant for general bigotry is disturbingly accurate to what would happen in real life were the story of Cap to be real.
The Totenkopf was used more by Panzer and Cavalry units by the Germans than the SS. The Death's Head is still used today by some British, American, and Korean units.
@@OhukaisMies_54 Well it all depended on the manufacturer, typically skull, jaw, and crossbones would all be included but some units did try to make their own skulls/designs, some like the old Prussian Hussars with no jawbone or some like the Brunswick whatever-their-name-was where the skull was directly forward.
@@GenMaj_Knight Nah regarding WWII Patrick is right, the SS designed their Scull intentionally with Chinbones to differentiate from the chinless Sculls used by other Formations.
There's an irony in the people who tend to display the punisher skull Also the Royal Lancers (of the charge of the light brigade) use the deaths head to this day
They know how good that badge looks, they have kept it through three amalgamations. The only change is that now it has some extra lances in the background.
If Police want a superhero logo to put on patches and stickers, they should take the Superman logo. Superman is a character that represents protection, peacekeeping, and order, while the Punisher is effectively the opposite of that. Hell, even Batman would be a better logo since the character doesn't kill and works with the police.
Lol, tried really hard and failed equally. Guy describes BLM by their own BS mission statement then proceeds to label right wing groups as white supremacists and conspiracy theorists and brings up the idea that maybe the symbol should be retired because a few "alt-right" people appropriated it. He was less critical about Nazis wearing it than he was of maga. You're just a fellow leftist, so leftist garbage sounds sweet to your ears.
I actually found this pretty informative. Well researched and sourced! As for whether the Punisher skull could be retired... If it doesn’t DIRECTLY hurt Disney’s wallet, they won’t budge. They can say that they’re “looking into the matter” and “taking [the appropriation of the skull by hate groups] very seriously” and they can refer to whatever comic issues they please, but unless they feel the heat on their purse, they’ll do nothing. They’re so fucking huge that they can actually let this slide and come out the other end relatively rosy. They’ll only retire the Punisher if he stops selling product.
@@plet6461 Back around 2006-2007 Hamaz ran a Saturday morning cartoon show on the Al-Aqsa tv channel called Tomorrow's Pioneers the hosts of the show were a lady and a character named Farfour that looked a lot like a certain american mouse. The Israeli government accussed the show of being antisemitic and anti american. The show runners claimed, that it was merely having kids express the realities of Palestinian life and what they witnes on a dayli basis. There was a lot of controversy around the translations that circulated in America. Disney lawyers got involved and the show was cancelled. Jon Stewart commented that Farfour "Looks like Mickey Mouse but talks like Walt Disney."
@@renaissancechambara we didn’t see Blade get co-opted because, as far as I’m aware, the only version of Blade people recognize is the Wesley(sp?) Snipes version, and that movie embraced the ridiculous nature of its premise while only vaguely hinting at any sort of Black empowerment (if such a thing was there to begin with; I didn’t see it, but then again I wasn’t looking for it on my first viewing). Punisher got co-opted because conservative (read: militantly fascist) Americans love a “vigilante,” especially when said “vigilante” fulfills a white man’s power fantasy. (And when I say “vigilante,” what I mean is “white guy who flimsily justifies mass murdering minorities with a gossamer thin veil of justice, when in reality he’s just perpetuating the oppression of the system”) Note that characters like Batman and Superman do not fall underneath the umbrella of “vigilantes,” because they have been specifically written to not be those things and do not espouse values congruent with current conservative views, despite said conservatives’ best efforts to claim Batman as their own.
@@renaissancechambara no. Why would you want them to change the character? I never understood the race and gender swapping, it seems like cheap pandering. 'What will sell copies to minorities? Let's spray tan one of our heroes and pretend like they won't know the difference!' Why not create unique characters of differing ethnicities, instead of retconning old characters? I get that old ones are identifiable, recognizable and accepted already. My counter point is Why make the unrecognizable, change their identity and basically sell that pill to people who already loved the character as they were for years? It just feels cheap and lazy, and honestly a bit insulting not just to the fans, but the prospective fans. Sorry for the rant, it just bugs me, and it seems to be happening more and more all the time.
Personally I was someone who barely knew anything about the Punisher Symbol besides it’s use by SEAL Team 3 and being seen everywhere in contemporary politics. So it was nice to have a factual and unbiased overview of the symbols. That’s why you rock 👍🏿 great video!
Love how unbiased and informative this video was. I loved the 2004 Punisher film growing up. It inspired most my physical fitness and gave me a hero to look up to. It saddens me that over time the symbol has since then been appropriated into many factions and they have nothing to do with the original anti hero that was created. My only hope is that some how Marvel will still be able to create more content and keep the comic character alive as intended. I would love to see Bernthal get his own properly produced film.
Way back, in the mysterious times full of arcane miracles, called by the mortals, the 90s in Germany... A friend of mine had a t-shirt with the punisher skull in it. He was spotted wearing it by a teacher at our high school... And he was immediately taken to the principals office. There, he was presented with this accusation: They thought this skull would habe been a symbol of the ss, so he had to get rid of the shirt. It would not only go against school rules, but were a crime to wear this. If he would not comply, they would inform the police and file a report. He laughed his a of and in the end, they had to apologize to him. I always think back to that, when seeing the punisher skull...
Great job on covering it objectively! The way I see it, my first reaction to that Tom Jane skull was "oh, that's cool and badass". Great symbol for an anti-hero. And I understand that soldiers would want to wear that, there's a long tradition among many services of many nations. But it still implies death and killing (just the skull) and failure of governmental justice (Punisher in particular). Therefore police uniforms are the *last* place where they should be. Thin blue line may be questionable, but the Punisher's skull is not.
Agreed. I don't think there is any place for skulls on police uniforms. And I'm an easy going guy, but as an agent if the government who is supposed to keep the peace, there is excuse for wearing skulls, especially ones that symbolize a failed justice system and vigilantism.
I love it when police wear them because it narrows down the type of person they are, which is someone dangerous and power tripping. The Punisher killed cops because they were criminals.
overall the meanings and interpretations of different symbols change over time, however for some reason it seems as though the left wing's interpretations are what stick, such as the confederate flag's meaning, wheras many southerners see it as a symbol for southern pride, many members of the left wing see it as a racist symbol of oppression, or for instance how to us Americans, the U.S. flag represents freedom and liberty, but someone in Vietnam or the middle east might view it as a symbol of oppression. To asians, the swastika represents peace, and is a common religious symbol, while western cultures view it as a symbol of nazism and the holocaust. overall, a symbol belongs where the person or group who applies the symbol thinks it belongs, regardless of what someone from an outside perspective might think
Disney owns Marvel. Don't expect them to ever risk offending anyone. Keep in mind that after being approved PC here in the US, their movies also have to be approved by Chinese Communist Party censors.
@@timewave02012 Bowing down to their CCP masters. Huh. After that and going all PC, wouldn't be surprised if Disney came out saying that "all Disney princesses are empowered females and their lovers are actually trans men." If I wanted my childhood ruined (in sort of a good way), I'd go to Rule 34.
The problem is not the militias its the hypersensitivity with the people in Hollywood that is whats causing the censorship. As far as I know the Punisher symbol being used by paramilitaries go back to the 80s with the Dolph Lungren Punisher movie.
@@jerry12314 The problem isn't even a militia. You can start a militia if you want. The Roof Koreans were considered a militia. It's that these soylent goblins don't even have the power to start one
Who else remembers when you could have a punisher skull patch and have people think that you’re a fan of the comics rather than some edge lord or something?
same man. I mean I grew up with the Punisher/Blade films (later Ghost Rider) and have recently (say around 2014 or so and onwards) became a fan of the characters. Apparently, I can't just like a character it has to be all this other stuff that never even crosses my mind.
It would be cool if the next Punisher series or movie addressed the issue of different organizations adopting the symbol, either knowing its meaning or misinterpreting it.
I know its off-topic bu why do so many pwoplw on the GR comunity want punisher logos? Like we alredy have a skull logo that isnt copyrighted, why whould ubisoft buy the rights for another logo?
@@swemn8062 well, I think it's for roleplaying the "greater" hero, just like the special Siege operators skins in Wildlands. But when someone thinks about GR he sees mostly a lonely and hyper efficent warrior capable to down multiple threats for a greater good; just like the Punisher. The media, also, make the skull a pop symbol and so many are thinking "it's cool. Why not?" not paying attention to it's nowadays meaning
The Punisher skull has become pretty cringe ngl. Esspecially after police and even fire fighters began using it. In a year or two we should expect to see thin yellow line punisher apparel for "badass" Forklift drivers to intimidate boxes and show brotherhood among other Forklift operators.
As an Army guy I found that the police using the symbol very odd. In the 82nd Airborne we used the symbol because we went out and actually killed people. Seeing a cop where it paints the wrong message.
I got my punisher skull tattoo 19 years ago, while in 1/325th......now zoomers consider it the mark of a beta male cring lord, or a neonazi.......weird world
@MrCadet08 keep in mind the nazis used Nordic symbols that were around long before their ideology, the punisher logo went from comic fans to the crazy racists that use it as the logos for thier orgs.
Marvel is a business. The suits don't actually care about the issue and how to solve it, they want to do whatever they think will make them the most money.
I wonder if Frank could have a Nomad-style identity crisis arc where he operates somewhere else under a different alias and uniform while he reflects on his life as a warfighter and how it was meant to differentiate himself from crimefighters rather than inspire them
@gaelan white And inspiring their readers. Some Batman writers have been trying to that with his found family, but it comes off more soap opera than character drama. I love this idea, though
@@ThreeProphets guess the problem with Batman is that such Story would raise complicated questions as to why he doesnt use at least parts of his insane Wealth to tackle the problem of crimminality in Gotham
@@ottersirotten4290 I would point you to the Telltale games, where he does exactly that. Some writers forget the "philanthropist" part of "billionaire playboy philanthropist," and I think that's a huge mistake for the character of Bruce Wayne in general, not just in these types of stories
@@ThreeProphets But he could do so much more, why not financially/equipmentwise support Police/Neighborhoodwatches etc, why not building a Team/Army of Batmans instead of doing everything alone? why not using Lawfare against organized crime? I dont wanna sh*** on Batman too much here, but in order to enjoy him i have to consciously ignore such questions
@@ottersirotten4290 Batman Inc was a team of heroes, and Batwoman’s dad was actively studying Batman’s methods, fighting style, etc to train mercs in the comics as well a few years back. As for the commercial nature of Batman, Inc., Morrison said that he was inspired by real-life tools used to market the image of the title character. "I was looking back at the old Tim Burton Batman movie in 1989, and the way they played that symbol, it was such a major merchandising tool. So I wanted to do something that represented that, or echoed that. So Batman, Inc. is the notion of Batman taking the symbol and saying, 'let's form an international army or team, or police force, which is endorsed by Batman and wears Batman's symbol.”
It's ironic that police use the punisher skull since the punisher in comics hates the police because they did nothing to help find his families killers
He is an ex Cop him self and certainly doesnt hate the police, he just thinks their hands are tied, thats why he gladly accepts intel from police officers who agree with him
The whole use of the symbol especially by militias and police gives me, “I can stop a school shooter with karate” vibes. It’s like the weird kid’s power fantasy.
I like the whole "Oh, a group of people are taking on my role as (X)? Better go deal with them because they're not allowed to do that. There can be only one (X)." Professional jealousy at its finest. This is the equivalent of a firefighter getting angry with a house owner for using his own fire extinguisher to put out a fire or a cop getting angry with a home owner for using his own firearm to stop a house invasion by 1 or more burglars, or a paramedic getting angry with an individual trained in basic first aid assisting an injured or ailed individual...
The blue lives matter one always makes me giggle. Punisher literally killed corrupt cops and any cop who got in his way of defeating crime lmao. I never seen a good cop kill a corrupt cop so I don’t wanna see them rock the skull EVER.
@@Farless_the system of policing that exists is corrupt and it exists in such a way that it dehumanizes people in the eyes of the police, encourages violence from police, and punishes police that speak out about brutality while protecting the cops who do the brutalizing. Not every cop goes around kicking babies and shooting minorities, but the policing system needs to be abolished or reworked to the point its unrecognizable when compared to the modern thing. There are no good cops because cops uphold and benefit from a system of systematic oppression.
1) Depending on the comic run you read, your perception of the character will vary. Each writer adds their own interpretation 2) Like all art, once its out to the public, the creator loses the ability to control the meaning 3) If you're assuming someone is a certain way just because the wear or display the logo, thats a YOU problem. 4) Anyone can use for any reason they want and if it triggers you, the issue is YOU and need for control. 5) It's the people complaining the use of it, that give it a negative value and thus more worth. 6) Its just a comic book character, so if you like it for any reason, use it anyway you want. 7) great video
Everyone: The Punisher shirt is too controversial, no one can wear it anymore! Me: Alright then I'll just wear a shirt with Barracuda on it and real Punisher fans can recognize it while everyone else ignores it.
There's a small gun shop I've been to that still uses the Punisher skull. It has a tree growing through a hole above its left eye. It seems that other, more "jolly Roger" type skulls are becoming popular. Possibly because pirate video games are so popular. Oh, and Deadpool. The little round Deadpool logo is used a lot, mostly to denote troublemakers or pranksters, depending on the variant.
I liked how the skull was given a origin in the 2004 film starring Thomas Jane and that it was on a t-shirt Castle's son bought him as a gift and that he was told the skull was a symbol that wards off evil and Castle loves the t-shirt and after his family are slain, it becomes his symbol as The Punisher.
@oscar robledo Ngl, as a Viking age reenactor, seeing ‘dude-bro taticool wannabe tough guys’ pisses me off to no end, if only because it is a wildly inaccurate view of actual vikings
I have been a huge Punisher fan probably since I was in single digits three decades ago, and even I cannot imagine that a 35-minute video on the skull alone isn't excessive.
Excellent video, very informative. However, the skull insignia was adopted in 1759 by the British 17th Lancers before the totenkopf was a thing, and is still in use by their descendants, the Queen's Royal Lancers, to this day. They are informally known as the "Death or Glory Boys" by their admirers and "Boneheads" by their detractors.
I work in law enforcement, and I am also a fan of the punisher comic books and the Netflix series of the character, but I would never wear the punisher’s skull on my uniform. The representation in my opinion does not represent what being a peace officer is about: that every individual deserves justice with due process
Hi! I’m Gerry Conway’s daughter Rachel, I can’t thank you enough for covering this topic and clarifying the true intentions and meaning of my dad’s character! He absolutely hates how it is used by far-right, gun-toting entities. I appreciate you so much!!
Love the irony how the Punisher logo is appropriated by the police only for the Punisher himself to call them out and orders them to idolize heroes like Captain America instead of Vigilante's like him.
It was in a comic book. A seal team with some historical studs in it used it before it was cool and then it got hijacked by some fudds in the 2A world. There. Done. Video summed up. It’s predominantly used by people who exert extreme cringe.
The Punisher is my favorite marvel character next to ghost rider I have the blue line skull since my dad was a police officer and passed away last year on October 9th I even got the tattoo with his badge number I miss him to this day...
@@KWillo I felt it gave it a little extra authenticity. Not the tropish Chicago or New York, showing crime existed everywhere, and Florida definitely has a history with smuggling being coastal.
@@saulgoodman9179 The Punisher represents a certain lawlessness and brutality. He has no problems torturing and killing anybody he deems "necessary". That is not something military personnel should emulate. War has rules, you break them you're a war criminal.
I remember seeing a Taliban video on YT showing an American hill camp they claimed to have overrun. Besides all the weapons and ammo they captured, I noticed that there was a punisher skull painted on some of the fortifications.
The logo is a universal symbol for being a badass. If Marvel retires it, it won't just go away. There aren't enough lawyers in the world for Disney to stop people from wearing it in some form.
@angrysausage-qj9eg Disney can't sue you for wearing a tee shirt. Do you think if the Navy Seals or some random SWAT team suddenly started wearing a Cap Shield they'd retire that, too? What if some random white nationalist group did? If some group got a wild hair up their ass to decide their dog whisrle was the Cap shield, would they cancel that, too? And no one actually has to adopt it. All it takes is a stupid 4Chan joke to turn the OK sign into fake racist symbolism. Nobody is "worshipping" the Punisher. It's a cathartic character that kills bad guys and has a cool symbol.
Personally, I feel it's incredibly similar to how the Nazi's swastika logo was appropriated from Hinduism. This symbol once meant something, now it means something much more sinister.
Great job on this video! It's clear you put a lot of work into your research and made sure to cover as much ground as possible. Your thorough analysis is really appreciated.
Was unbiased to a surprising extent. Especially when considering that jokes about the kinds of people who use the imagery these days is such low hanging fruit.
The funniest thing is that the punisher isn't a representation of a outlaw who fights crime for the better good of humanity. Castle fights crime because he's a psychopath who needs to kill. In Punisher MAX it's explained that after the Vietnam War only thing he cared about was killing, and the death of his family gave him an outlet to do that, he doesn't care about other people. He knows that the war with crime that he went on won't end in him winning, he doesn't care because it gives him a reason to kill more and more people. I know this isn't the only adaptaion of his character but it's kinda funny to see people celebrate a vicious psycho as a hero.
July 14th, Bastille Day : a choir sang in front of the presidential platform. The singers and the musicians were arranged in the shape of the Punisher's head. As for the lyrics, they reminded some of Q's themes. I'm sure the French president's already been removed by the military.
In the 90's a Punisher Shirt just meant that you liked the comic books.
Yep, I was the only kid with one in my school.
NO!!!
Try that now and you'll trigger the beta males of your community
@@Omnip073n77 Implying most people who wear it now arent beta male school shooters ....
@@Omnip073n77 No you wear it now you’ll get sucked off by beta males that think blue lives matter
Conversely to this phenomenon, a lot of firefighters have used the Superman logo for some time. Probably a more appropriate model of public service.
So a man that levels cities while fighting other baddies, endangering others causes millions or billions in damages is an appropiate logo?
@@birtalanlorant5572 Still better than a violent vigilante misanthrope. Superman is a bumbling idiot, but at least he's good morals and values.
@@jayvang7490 I didnt say that the Punisher is any better, but its still a shitty symbol. Firefighters are cool, they dont need to wear patches of shitty superheroes.
@@birtalanlorant5572 Oh, I've misinterpreted your statement. But I agree.
@@jayvang7490 Maybe I should have worded my comment more carefully, my bad.
I feel like at least 50% of the people who use the punisher skull are the type of people the navy seals copypasta was making fun of.
“Bro vets”
The Seals themselves have turned into a bit of a mess. Thanks to American Sniper and the Bin Laden op, it seems like they've followed in the footsteps of the SAS, and everyone's just there for a book deal.
Like the people who put "MARINE" in their gamertag, and those who drive a Mustang or Challenger with a punisher sticker on it.
Idk looks cool 😎😎
@@Del_S Well said and entirely true. Moreover, the suicide rates of special team MIL personnel is staggeringly high not to mention their outright violent behavior once in the civilian world. Department of Defense and Department of Veteran Affairs are due for a legal reckoning.
The Punisher: "This skull represents the failure of the justice system, the failure of the organizations that uphold them, and the vow I made to seek out my own."
Police officers: "Yeah, I'mma wear that"
Well, then they are using it corectly
You do realize a lot of military and police agree with Punisher's ideals of killing dangerous criminals
@@absanchez777 they're using it wrong. The Punisher even killed cops.
@@coghostfox
Corrupt Cops*
Punisher kills criminals
The military also kill criminals
Hell Frank is a solider
@@l0sts0ul89 corrupt cops are still cops. This logo has no place in law enforcement.
Can't wait for the episode about Mando helmets that'll be coming in a decade.
Mandolorians have been in military usage since about 2005 I want to say, considering their kind of “Spartan” life style. Knew quite a few marines that had patches or got tattoos.
The mando mythosaur skull has been used for years already
Not a soldier, but we are everywhere.
Also, Suc’cuy gar Vode! 😉
This is the way
@@sneedmando186 glory to Mand'alor!
It's already been about for years, but yes, it is super cringe-y.
I'm a closet Punisher fan, really love the comics, and I thought the most recent Marvel series was an original take. You did a great job covering the history as well as keeping it pretty even leveled. Seriously great work
First person shooter gasoline
*formerly closeted*
since how long are you a Punisher Fan?
U used to be a good content creator
The punisher is the best marvel character marvel has.
One of the most important problems with the Punisher that rarely ever gets addressed:
What the hell happened to that minigun he had at the end of Daredevil Season Two?! He never used it in his own show!
Did he realise it'd cost like $400,000 to fire it for twelve seconds?
Better yet. How the fuck did he get one of those?
@@nightfury8440 Clancy Brown had it at first and that explains everything since he's also The Kurgan, Lex Luthor, Drill Instructor Zim, and... uh, Mr Krabs.
@@Del_S holy crap, I didn't know he was Mr Krabs!
I bet that "central Florida man" I recently read about who bought a 200mm Vulcan Gatlingun would like a talk about that
@@HioshimaFried There's a fine line between insanity and genius. He IS the line.
Not going to lie, this man prob had to read a shit ton of comics for research purposes. Mad respect.
And CNN, MSNBC, ADL and SPLC.
@@jerry12314 what
@@bravo6959 probably cause he mentioned a lot of political shit, and remained perfectly neutral. The person is upset that he never lambasted antifa or blm
Not really, most of this is superficial material that's well documented and reasonably accessible
@@bravo6959 just the amount of comics my dude, like this guy has prob read some of the more obscure stuff like Punisher Max and Punisher goes to Nam.
_"Have you noticed that our caps have actually little pictures of skulls on them?..._
_...Hans, ..._
_...are we the Baddies?"_
That joke doesn't make any sense since both the Brits and Americans used skulls in their military logos.
@@arieson7715 doesn’t it though?
@@arieson7715 you say that as if both the Brits and Americans haven't been the "baddies" of history at some point.
Love that skit
Totenkopf ☠️
"I'll say this only once, we're not the same. You took an oath to uphold the law. you help people. I gave that all up a long time ago. You don't do what I do, nobody does. You boys need a role model? His name is Captain America and he'd be happy to have you" - The Punisher to police officers who idolised him
lmao that virtue signaling
i really love that last line of referencing captain america
because he's what should represent american law enforcement and military
a patriot that does anything in their power to uphold peace of the united states and all their allies
not a vigilante on a mission to get revenge
People always forget to add the best line of that comic.
Cop: Who the hell do you think you are? Like it or not, you started something. You showed how
It's done. Now you don't like others following your example? Too bad tough guy.
Punisher: If I find out you are trying to do what I do, I'll come for you next.
Cop: Careful what you say here Castle. Starting to sound an awful lot like a threat.
Punisher: It was.
Typed by someone who just heard that line 2 minutes ago
You’re offended by the logo we get it but don’t be insufferable
@@1CE. I take no offence from the symbol at all. I fully understand what it represents and why people use it.
But if you get offended by by a relevant quote about using the punisher skull symbol from a comic book character then that's on you.
You've done an excellent job in approaching the history and usage of this symbol in a relevant and nuanced manner
Agreed, he was skating in thin ice the whole video, but managed to make it all the way. Very respectable.
I don’t think it’s sufficiently nuanced, due to the lack of detail on the groups using the logo. In the attempt to skate between controversy, he lost necessary context.
@@hangingchad1616 ...exactly ...me....you + everybody in this comment section can pretty much piece together that the skull face paint and or design was most likely used by an african or native Indian tribe that was wiped out ...and the conquerors said thanks guys ...and we'll never really know 😂
I love the Punisher skull. It allows me to pick out the cringe lords in any community.
Police officers forming a secret club called "The Punishers" and wearing matching black clothes to commit "vigilante justice" is kind of the cringiest thing you could do
@@ethan5354 The whole thing is a massive cringe fest. Everything about the symbol, all the way back to the original comic, is a power fantasy. The symbol is almost always used by people who have some power, regardless of social status or political beliefs, and have a "might makes right" attitude about getting more.
It smacks of energy drink addiction
@@peteranderson037 especially when the punisher isn’t supposed to be someone who’s idolized but pittied because of how fucked up he and his life is and how he will never find solace. BUT NAH THO DUDE BRO YEAAAH PUNISHER LIFE WOOT
nerds
so glad my punisher t shirt has the words "the punisher" as well just so I'm not caught up with the skulls meaning and just appriciate the show and bernthals acting
Sad that one must make the distinction, isn't it?
Omg same. I like the character but his merch now has a cringelord association. Goddamned edgelords
@@sinisterthoughts2896 no, you dont have to.
@@alastor8091 ?
@@darkmario3321 just rock what you want. Its not an overt hate symbol like a Black Swastika on a white and red vack ground, its not a unique emblem like the Sickle and Hammer, its a logo from a comic book that looks cool. Automatically allowing the negative aspects of things to trump thr good ones gives power to your enemies. Imagine if Neo Natsocs started using the rainbow. You wouldn't just give it to them would you?
As a Norwegian, I had no idea of this within the Norwegian army.
You learn something new every day.
Nice profile pic
Norway has a army?
Same with me and Canada, it was certainly a shock seeing the Canadian variant. I mean seriously, they just added a line right through the middle, absolutely no regard to proper flag design!
@@BaconDragon-yr5vf
a pretty advanced one at that, they deploy more advanced weapons than Sverige.
@@BaconDragon-yr5vf Bruh the Norwegian military is one of the best lmao
Am I the only one who genuinely likes The Punisher skull and comics because hes a badass character and understands its fiction?
Honestly if I were to ever wear a skull I'd make my own instead of using the Punishers
Yep, it's pretty much just you
You're not alone. It was once edgy to have the punisher logo. Now its even more edgy to hate it because its edgy to like it...
Gotta love stupid people and how they have to be trendy. I'll like what I like, regardless of what people think...
No, you are not the only one. I am a huge Punisher fan.....loved Garth Ennis's run.
We are living in an age where millions of people cannot tell the difference between reality and fantasy anymore.
As a lifelong Punisher fan thank you for this great look at the symbol. Even as a vet and fan I am saddened by the use of the logo by folks that miss the whole point of Frank and how his life isn't to be idolized but pitied as he has lost everything and just has unending violence now.
I feel you. Quick question: is it me or is wearing a skull while working in law inforcement is not really good?
@@unknownhandyman6821 it shows they're idiots. The Punisher killed cops too because they were criminals, yet Cops who wear it won't so much as report the criminal element among them.
The creator of the Punisher, Gerry Conway, has said as much in no uncertain terms. I like that he’s trying to reclaim his logo
Very simple reason: he's too badass, that impresses people to the point that they want to emulate the impossible efficiency of the Punisher, while ignoring his tragic, tortured life and horrible moral boundaries.
@@someonerandom8552 By being a hypocrite and reappropriating it for shit way outside its original context?
When I was little and saw the punisher skull on people's uniforms and stuff, I just thought they were a fan of Marvel. Needless to say I was always wondering how such a huge fan base was never as vocal as the fans for other Marvel characters, especially considering the effort to spray paint his emblem and make patches and stuff. You never see a cop with Spiderman's spider emblem.
SirCereal....
Because spiderman is a teenager and wears tights!
Sorry. Couldn't resist
Because most other super heroes are pretentious on the grounds that "Killing your enemy makes you just like them,"
Whereas Punisher just thinks "Killing your enemy means less enemy to worry about later,"
Especially when considering that while Batman and Superman and Spiderman and Wonder Woman and all the others are constantly having to fight the same enemies, over and over... Punisher typically only has to fight his particular enemy once. Because they don't get back up when he accomplishes his mission.
I got the punisher skull tattoo 19 years ago....most of my platoon got some variation of that same tattoo
The best Punisher comic panel:
Surrounded by burnt out cars, spent shell casings and body bags, a NYPD officer answers an off panel question;
"AM I SURE IT WAS THE PUNISHER?!? IS THAT SUPPOSED TO BE FUNNY?!?"
Lawl.
Which issue was that?
@@diegomedina4145 Marvel Knights: Punisher Vol 1
You didn't mention that the Jolly Roger ensign was the symbol for "We'll take prisoners & ransom" vs. red ensign "You've pissed us off now & you're all going to die, you should have surrendered when you had the chance." in pirate use...
I am familiar red flags designated 'more aggressive pirates', but I wasn't sure that was anything more than an intimidation tactic. The red pirate flags I was familiar with were the specific flags of specific captain's, so they didn't have a 'standard' flag. So I thought it was just a design choice to look scary, not a sure-fure declaration, to be flown when necessary, especially since flags were precious and expensive and multiple flags to fly would be quite an expense.
Ah so pirate history mostly comes from one guy that was either a pirate or a member of the British bureaucracy that would issue pardons to pirates. It’s generally reliable but not perfect.
So the Devil stabbing the heart that we associate with Blackbeard probably wasn’t exclusive to him as there are accounts of pirates being hanged under the flag of their ship which is very similar, of course brand recognition is a thing and they probably copied the angriest bastard they could think of in the hopes that merchants would go “Oh fuck Blackbeard better just give up”
Moreover there wasn’t ever really an agreement about Black vs Red and was more dependent on what the crew could make up, some people weren’t good at making skulls perhaps.
Jean Duleain (check spelling) for example flew a black flag and would let his prize fire three times before declaring that they would have to die when they got caught unless they were Spanish, then it was death for certain.
So we can assume that a lot of pirates flew a plain black flag because it was a straightforward established symbol of “death is here” from plague ships moored in harbors. Also literacy wasn’t great back then so a description of “A black flag adorned with a skeleton a sword and a heart” could be depicted many different ways and associated with multiple pirates. This is further muddled by the pirates using many different names and some accidentally having the same name like “Black Sam” who was likely Sam Bellamy and Samual Brown.
TL;DR Pirate flags are a mess and probably not as cool as we all think but it won’t stop me from enjoying them.
@@johnbeauvais3159 Jolly Roger is believed to be a corruption of french "La jolie rouge", the red flag.
@@webtoedman True, it’s also credited to being “Jolly old Roger” which was a euphemism for the devil.
As a star was nerd and a Marine veteran .the mythosuar skull (sometimes referred to as bantha skull) is becoming the new cringe lord skull.
I hope the idiot don't ruin the Mythosuar skull like they did with the Punisher Skull
Plz no
THIS
What was your MOS?
ubcroel Here’s my chain code.
It’s barely been an hour but I can already feel that this comment section is gonna get spicy and locked in no time flat.
Oh no doubt.
Actualy surprised about how little hate coments therw have been on a chanel about military uniforms.
I whoudve expected many more people taking issue with his prespective that the skull was used by white supremesists.
i live for the spice, welcome to hot ones bois
@@swemn8062 same, even though it’s a fact but I expected tons of denial or ‘well actually...’ guys.
@@swemn8062 I feel like a significant part of the audience here are collectors. Most of us are nerds, not nazis.
Being a fan of the Punisher has been...difficult these days. I just wanna show love for my favorite edgy anti-hero.
Then do it
I’m left wing and I have a punisher hoodie it’s only liberals who complain
@@arkanstigers6007 Define what's considered "complaining" to you. Critiquing the use of these symbols by police, B2B, and other similar groups is not "complaining", with said critique being a big thing in the actual Left.
Anyways, no one is saying you can't like Punisher so let's not misrepresent the argument. I expected more from someone who's "Left wing".
We just all gotta chill with the symbols yes if it’s used in a context where it’s extreme it’s bad ofc Punisher skull Viking symbol but don’t assume someone who has a hat or T-shirt with punisher on they are pro police or military one of the writers who wrote one comic idk who said he does not like what he’s being used for the man is anti police and anti military if you actually read the comics or watch the movie you will see it’s like a last thing you see before death to bad people the bad people in this scenario are the right wingers who use it to target Muslims you can tell this because the American or blue lives matter flag is printed on it so I think we should just chill don’t assume things unless it’s got a huge dog whistle to it
@@revenge3265 Retiring the punisher or his symbol because people stole and misused it is just dumb tho. You can agree on that right?
I love how all the real-life people and groups who appropriated the skull don't ACTUALLY understand the Punisher
No doubt. It's on every truck where I live. They have NO idea what it actually means.
That fact alone makes them more stupid.
A man with strict moral codes who actively fights against corruption?
@@casematecardinal Or a mass murderer who takes it upon himself to be judge, jury, and executioner. Which is why it's fucked up fpr cops to use it when one of the largest complaints agianst them is literally their over use of lethal force
@@RapidFireReaper your pfp being a punisher skull makes this. You missed the point dude
WHEN YOU HAVE FIRE TRUCKS WITH THE PUNISHER ON THEM, WE ARE PAST THE PART THAT EVERY ONE HAS ADOPTED IT FOR EVERYTHING.....
I saw that in my city and I thought to myself “who are they trying to intimidate?” Lol. Go get the cat out of the tree.
@@nicholasbeach4909 fear is acually how we fight fires, the water is just a government cover up
Don't know about your country but in mine firefighters are can be used as police/medic (mostly in drunken non-armed encounter of course)if none police officers are on the scene.
Now the punisher skull is reaally become a sign of rally of every trash-people of every communities.
Edit: i've just realised that my profile pic (from mgs) contain a skull, atleast it's not the punisher's skull and i don't do politics soo.
@@chibani- i dont know about them acting as police so much, they are kind of an authority and would probably like break up fights and stuff but i dont think they can detain anyone outside of what a normal citizen could do. Being medics however, they absolutely do, they're firemen and I'm pretty sure they all have to go through first aid training and all that, plus they also always travel with an ambulance. If the firefighters are called then an ambulance or probably multiple depending on the call will always go with them.
Exactly
People are just digging for some deeper meaning that isn’t there
It’s just looks cool, that’s literally it but sensitive types see it mainly used by the right wing and so must seeth
I really appreciate the use of the 2004 Punisher OST in the background.
I remember when the Punisher skull was cool. Many, many years ago. But now, it'd be hard to find someone who doesn't think it's cringe. Including myself.
It’s really only suitable in a military context. Everywhere else is kind of stupid. The idea of justified killing is a pillar of war, and honestly, the punisher skull in the ME has gained a more military role than a relation to the comic book, with it being a common tag, as was shown in the video.
The skull is still cool, some of the people who use it are cringe though. Do not mistake the 2.
@@JP-rf8rr there are too many cringe people wearing so the skull is no longer cool.
@@olivedrabwool
I don't think that follows. If I like x and think it's cool (1) and other people who are cringe also think it's cool.(2) other people liking x changes x.(a) Then the x I like is now cringe.(3) I'm gonna have to disagree on your hidden premise (a).
@@JP-rf8rr don't bring math into this. Or whatever that is. When the Punisher skull was a symbol for righting wrongs and fighting back against a corrupt system, it was cool. But when the symbol came to mean something else and the original message was subverted by every douchebag who thought he was Frank Castle as he cleaned up the Walmart parking lot of all the wolves and sheep, it lost its meaning. It became cringe. Punisher skull sucks now. End of story.
Perfect timing. I was wondering about this a few days ago
Agree
whooboy this is a minefield episode if I ever seen one. Uniform History has more balls than I
It takes balls to have such milquetoast views and opinion that is regurgitated by 99% of the mainstream media.
@@jerry12314 What views and opinions. He put as much history and facts into 35 minute UA-cam video. He didn't say which side was right he just pointed out what the major opinions are. Just because the video didn't vindicate your beliefs doesn't mean he did a bad job.
@@jerry12314 lol wut
@@jatelf7 Like he said, it's milquetoast as fuck. There's nothing ballsy about that. OP was saying that it was ballsy, when being completely neutral and not siding with anyone isn't remotely ballsy.
@@LordVader1094 But it wasn't supposed to be ballsy. He was just stating history and facts about how it is seen.
*Frank Castle:* is a demented murderer that has given up on justice and is on a suicidal quest of endless revenge
*Bob, 55, Alabama, eyeballed an interracial couple in the mall for 20 mins:* OMG HE IS LITERALLY ME
Both suck
@@CrypticlyEncrypted the only correct answer.
You should stay on Reddit my guy
Yep, you clearly know nothing about the Punisher...
@@MaggiesNight enlighten me then dude.
i never said i didn't like the punisher, he is really badass but also a complex character.
It takes a little thought too see past Frank's motivations and principles and start seeing his methods and actions.
He is like that by design, and i like it that way, but if you can't see past the "badass guy kills bad guy" aesthetic, you don't understand Punisher
Un-ironed flags really grind my gears
Do you iron flags like the American flag. Why?
@@padenlisk2447 No one likes wrinkles
@@padenlisk2447 It looks very unprofessional, like using a skull as an insignia unironically
@@dominicbegay9355 its preety much the oldest insignia for military/police/warbands... or really anything involving combat there is.
Also using any insignia ironicly is unprofessional
Get some deployment dust on them with pride.
The fact that police relate to the Punisher and can’t read the subtext of the character is a huge problem as is. Frank’s mindset is he should be “judge, jury, and executioner” and that criminals, regardless of what they do, shouldn’t be shown any mercy. The police are not and never should be any of those things, and we have courts for a reason.
To be fair, I'm pretty sure most police officers uses the symbol because they think it's cool without knowing or caring about the meaning behind the skull
Not saying me or anyone else is gonna go around shit wacking criminals but often times courts do jackshit
They know that plently of cops have also seen some of the worst humanity had to offer. Bet you some of them wish they could just kill the criminals (actual criminals) they come across but if the criminal surrenders they have to follow their police training and detain
Or maybe it's because it's a cool ass design that can be modified very easily to fit groups.
@@momo_f_awsome Says the guy with the flag of a traitor. Go back to Dixie, Confederate bootlicker.
idk man, i feel like a group made to "protect and serve" shouldn't be represented by a skull or a "warrior symbol." i just feel like cops should be oriented towards helping people instead of, you know, killing
Yeah but if someone is a fan of the character they shouldn't be made fun of because its 'cringe'
@@lordskeletor4558
While I do agree with you
It’s better to leave that kind of stuff at home
I think they should also realize that the punisher logo is a symbol of the failure of law enforcement and the justice system.
@@lordskeletor4558 bronies and furries are cringe, I will not stop mocking them for that.
You from usa?
On etsy or FB markerplace found the Punisher Skull icon used for an Electrical Workers Union patch. Super cringe.
Have you seen the disney punisher skulls? You have not seen cringe until you've seen the Disney punisher skulls
@@henderson2394 Like Mickey mouse ears an stuff?
@@henderson2394 what?! Gotta image search to check that out
@@yellowprime8491 google "Disney punisher challenge coin"
Their image should be the shocker fingers.
I hate that seeing a Punisher skull no longer alerts me that somebody else is a fan of the comics, and instead that they're probably somebody I would just find insufferable to talk to. I love The Punisher comics. One of my favorite storylines is when he infiltrates a white supremacist group run by Hatemonger (who, yes, is an actual Marvel comics villain and mostly went up against Captain America), and very interestingly in retrospect, The Punisher dons a version of his uniform with the Punisher skull that looks like Captain America's in his final showdown against Hatemonger. There were even flashbacks included of The Punisher's previous encounters with Cap, and it clearly shows that as much as The Punisher revered Cap, Cap friggin' hated The Punisher and everything he stood for, and was not afraid to say so. This storyline took place after Cap was killed in the events following the Marvel Civil War, and another superhero did chew out Punisher for the Cap-inspired uniform. It's just very interesting to me that the issue of a symbol being appropriated by bad actors was explored in the mid-2000's, around the time when the Punisher skull was first being used in Iraq, and now we have white supremacists, a group that Frank fought against in the comics and hated, also adopting his skull.
Frank Castle, when he's written well, can be such a complex and interesting character in the Marvel universe. He can also be a lot of fun, since a lot of writers like to use him for very dark humor and it's great. It just sucks to see people who probably don't even read comics just adopt the skull and turn it into a symbol of their weird beliefs.
At least this would never happen to my mans Howard the Duck.
I remember Hatemonger. I thought he seemed kinda silly as a villain...then I got older, and I realized its Marvel being meta again.
@@KillerOrca Also, I thought he was mostly a Cap villain but he premiered fighting the Fantastic Four and Nick Fury.
@John Doe I'm not a fan of seeing people like white supremacists use things and then just rolling over and giving it to them but at the same time, I also don't want to have to explain myself whenever I go out in public with merch for a comic book character I like. I'd feel safer wearing Punisher merch at a comic book convention than I would just out on the town.
It's funny, because I also have a parody MAGA hat that says "Make Everything Terrible Again" that I also don't wear outside of conventions because I feel like people are more inclined to read things and accept irony. I did have one person say they were on edge when they saw it... until they read it. Weirdly, I was in a pre-registration line for an anime convention a few years back and was a few spaces ahead of a dude wearing a real MAGA hat with different colors. And he had a thick west African accent.
I do like the idea of repurposing or taking back symbols used by groups like this, but unfortunately, there are also people who just like to pick fights and don't want to hear your explanation of "I'm just a fan of the comics." I am very small and easily overpowered, so I tend to be very conflict avoidant IRL. I won't tell any Punisher fan that they can't wear Punisher merch. I just wish I could wear it without fear of somebody singling me out as a right-wing, white supremacist, and it sucks.
My Howard the Duck shirt, though? That gets me compliments. I love my Howard the Duck shirt. It unites us all.
@@KillerOrca If the factt that 70 million people voted for a man that openly supported Neo-Nazis and fascist insurrectionists have anything to say about it, a hypernationalist militaristic jackass with a penchant for general bigotry is disturbingly accurate to what would happen in real life were the story of Cap to be real.
@@ravenfrancis1476 Like I said, Marvel being meta again.
punisher skull: i'm the edgiest skull there is!
payday 2 skulldozer: *O B S E R V E*
Eh, it's alright, definitely inspired by Punishers skull though, nah, edgiest skull goes to Logan's mask from Call of Duty Ghosts
I just love it when logistical units use the punisher skull.
They should use an image of a pregnant soldier getting out of a deployment.
The Totenkopf was used more by Panzer and Cavalry units by the Germans than the SS.
The Death's Head is still used today by some British, American, and Korean units.
yea the SS for example had the skull WITH the chinbone and regular Wermacht panzer units which all also had a skull wore a skull WITHOUT the chinbone
@@OhukaisMies_54 Well it all depended on the manufacturer, typically skull, jaw, and crossbones would all be included but some units did try to make their own skulls/designs, some like the old Prussian Hussars with no jawbone or some like the Brunswick whatever-their-name-was where the skull was directly forward.
@@GenMaj_Knight Nah regarding WWII Patrick is right, the SS designed their Scull intentionally with Chinbones to differentiate from the chinless Sculls used by other Formations.
Please cover the uniforms of the Metal Gear Solid series next
Agree or maybe Ghost Recon too.
So, does it includes Quiet's?
Cue a twenty minute long video about cardboard boxes :P
@@axelpatrickb.pingol3228 she has Alice gear so yes
5 hours later...
There's an irony in the people who tend to display the punisher skull
Also the Royal Lancers (of the charge of the light brigade) use the deaths head to this day
They know how good that badge looks, they have kept it through three amalgamations. The only change is that now it has some extra lances in the background.
the scull is extremely common through history in any formation who was and is involved in combat
17/21st to be precise.
If Police want a superhero logo to put on patches and stickers, they should take the Superman logo. Superman is a character that represents protection, peacekeeping, and order, while the Punisher is effectively the opposite of that. Hell, even Batman would be a better logo since the character doesn't kill and works with the police.
You tried really hard to be as unbiased as possible, and I appreciate that.
Lol, tried really hard and failed equally. Guy describes BLM by their own BS mission statement then proceeds to label right wing groups as white supremacists and conspiracy theorists and brings up the idea that maybe the symbol should be retired because a few "alt-right" people appropriated it. He was less critical about Nazis wearing it than he was of maga. You're just a fellow leftist, so leftist garbage sounds sweet to your ears.
I actually found this pretty informative. Well researched and sourced!
As for whether the Punisher skull could be retired...
If it doesn’t DIRECTLY hurt Disney’s wallet, they won’t budge. They can say that they’re “looking into the matter” and “taking [the appropriation of the skull by hate groups] very seriously” and they can refer to whatever comic issues they please, but unless they feel the heat on their purse, they’ll do nothing. They’re so fucking huge that they can actually let this slide and come out the other end relatively rosy.
They’ll only retire the Punisher if he stops selling product.
Not like Disney is scared of suing extremist groups, they did it with Hamaz.
@@plet6461 Back around 2006-2007 Hamaz ran a Saturday morning cartoon show on the Al-Aqsa tv channel called Tomorrow's Pioneers the hosts of the show were a lady and a character named Farfour that looked a lot like a certain american mouse.
The Israeli government accussed the show of being antisemitic and anti american. The show runners claimed, that it was merely having kids express the realities of Palestinian life and what they witnes on a dayli basis. There was a lot of controversy around the translations that circulated in America.
Disney lawyers got involved and the show was cancelled.
Jon Stewart commented that Farfour "Looks like Mickey Mouse but talks like Walt Disney."
@@renaissancechambara we didn’t see Blade get co-opted because, as far as I’m aware, the only version of Blade people recognize is the Wesley(sp?) Snipes version, and that movie embraced the ridiculous nature of its premise while only vaguely hinting at any sort of Black empowerment (if such a thing was there to begin with; I didn’t see it, but then again I wasn’t looking for it on my first viewing).
Punisher got co-opted because conservative (read: militantly fascist) Americans love a “vigilante,” especially when said “vigilante” fulfills a white man’s power fantasy. (And when I say “vigilante,” what I mean is “white guy who flimsily justifies mass murdering minorities with a gossamer thin veil of justice, when in reality he’s just perpetuating the oppression of the system”)
Note that characters like Batman and Superman do not fall underneath the umbrella of “vigilantes,” because they have been specifically written to not be those things and do not espouse values congruent with current conservative views, despite said conservatives’ best efforts to claim Batman as their own.
@@renaissancechambara no. Why would you want them to change the character? I never understood the race and gender swapping, it seems like cheap pandering. 'What will sell copies to minorities? Let's spray tan one of our heroes and pretend like they won't know the difference!' Why not create unique characters of differing ethnicities, instead of retconning old characters? I get that old ones are identifiable, recognizable and accepted already. My counter point is Why make the unrecognizable, change their identity and basically sell that pill to people who already loved the character as they were for years? It just feels cheap and lazy, and honestly a bit insulting not just to the fans, but the prospective fans. Sorry for the rant, it just bugs me, and it seems to be happening more and more all the time.
@@DiehardMechWarrior I see you enjoy injecting political rhetoric.
Personally I was someone who barely knew anything about the Punisher Symbol besides it’s use by SEAL Team 3 and being seen everywhere in contemporary politics. So it was nice to have a factual and unbiased overview of the symbols. That’s why you rock 👍🏿 great video!
Love how unbiased and informative this video was. I loved the 2004 Punisher film growing up. It inspired most my physical fitness and gave me a hero to look up to. It saddens me that over time the symbol has since then been appropriated into many factions and they have nothing to do with the original anti hero that was created.
My only hope is that some how Marvel will still be able to create more content and keep the comic character alive as intended.
I would love to see Bernthal get his own properly produced film.
"unbiased" ahahahahaha
@@usernamehhhs4540 Jajajaja
The 1989 movie with Lundgren actually included a nod to the skull symbol, which was visible on the butt of the knife he wore in his tactical harness.
Way back, in the mysterious times full of arcane miracles, called by the mortals, the 90s in Germany...
A friend of mine had a t-shirt with the punisher skull in it. He was spotted wearing it by a teacher at our high school... And he was immediately taken to the principals office. There, he was presented with this accusation: They thought this skull would habe been a symbol of the ss, so he had to get rid of the shirt. It would not only go against school rules, but were a crime to wear this. If he would not comply, they would inform the police and file a report.
He laughed his a of and in the end, they had to apologize to him. I always think back to that, when seeing the punisher skull...
Fear makes people do stupid things.
German people really be something else
Fear and a lack of any meaningful awareness makes you dumb, blind, and gullible.
Great job on covering it objectively!
The way I see it, my first reaction to that Tom Jane skull was "oh, that's cool and badass". Great symbol for an anti-hero. And I understand that soldiers would want to wear that, there's a long tradition among many services of many nations.
But it still implies death and killing (just the skull) and failure of governmental justice (Punisher in particular). Therefore police uniforms are the *last* place where they should be. Thin blue line may be questionable, but the Punisher's skull is not.
Agreed. I don't think there is any place for skulls on police uniforms. And I'm an easy going guy, but as an agent if the government who is supposed to keep the peace, there is excuse for wearing skulls, especially ones that symbolize a failed justice system and vigilantism.
I love it when police wear them because it narrows down the type of person they are, which is someone dangerous and power tripping. The Punisher killed cops because they were criminals.
It actually perfectly captures Frank's point by the failure of the government's role on policing, politic and their training. Ironically.
overall the meanings and interpretations of different symbols change over time, however for some reason it seems as though the left wing's interpretations are what stick, such as the confederate flag's meaning, wheras many southerners see it as a symbol for southern pride, many members of the left wing see it as a racist symbol of oppression, or for instance how to us Americans, the U.S. flag represents freedom and liberty, but someone in Vietnam or the middle east might view it as a symbol of oppression. To asians, the swastika represents peace, and is a common religious symbol, while western cultures view it as a symbol of nazism and the holocaust. overall, a symbol belongs where the person or group who applies the symbol thinks it belongs, regardless of what someone from an outside perspective might think
Wish these Militias and many other groups would just leave the logo alone so Marvel can continue the show without having to remove Frank Castle logo
Disney owns Marvel. Don't expect them to ever risk offending anyone. Keep in mind that after being approved PC here in the US, their movies also have to be approved by Chinese Communist Party censors.
@@timewave02012 Bowing down to their CCP masters. Huh. After that and going all PC, wouldn't be surprised if Disney came out saying that "all Disney princesses are empowered females and their lovers are actually trans men." If I wanted my childhood ruined (in sort of a good way), I'd go to Rule 34.
The problem is not the militias its the hypersensitivity with the people in Hollywood that is whats causing the censorship. As far as I know the Punisher symbol being used by paramilitaries go back to the 80s with the Dolph Lungren Punisher movie.
@@jerry12314 The problem isn't even a militia. You can start a militia if you want. The Roof Koreans were considered a militia. It's that these soylent goblins don't even have the power to start one
@@timewave02012 but theyre totally fine with filming near a chinese concentration camp tho
Who else remembers when you could have a punisher skull patch and have people think that you’re a fan of the comics rather than some edge lord or something?
same man. I mean I grew up with the Punisher/Blade films (later Ghost Rider) and have recently (say around 2014 or so and onwards) became a fan of the characters. Apparently, I can't just like a character it has to be all this other stuff that never even crosses my mind.
It would be cool if the next Punisher series or movie addressed the issue of different organizations adopting the symbol, either knowing its meaning or misinterpreting it.
Wow. Wish for Ghost Recon version Skull symbol soon.
I know its off-topic bu why do so many pwoplw on the GR comunity want punisher logos?
Like we alredy have a skull logo that isnt copyrighted, why whould ubisoft buy the rights for another logo?
@@swemn8062 well, I think it's for roleplaying the "greater" hero, just like the special Siege operators skins in Wildlands. But when someone thinks about GR he sees mostly a lonely and hyper efficent warrior capable to down multiple threats for a greater good; just like the Punisher. The media, also, make the skull a pop symbol and so many are thinking "it's cool. Why not?" not paying attention to it's nowadays meaning
@@costantinocarnevale3289 oh
Or the vest considering walker
The Punisher skull has become pretty cringe ngl.
Esspecially after police and even fire fighters began using it. In a year or two we should expect to see thin yellow line punisher apparel for "badass" Forklift drivers to intimidate boxes and show brotherhood among other Forklift operators.
thin tow line
"if those damn liberal wanna take my forklift, they'd have to take it from my cold dead hands"
I respect our beautiful forklift operators
Agreed
Yeah sad
Punisher Armory comics were my favorite growing up as a kid. Gen X grew up on Grunge, Gangster Rap, and Punisher!
Those were good ones.
As an Army guy I found that the police using the symbol very odd. In the 82nd Airborne we used the symbol because we went out and actually killed people. Seeing a cop where it paints the wrong message.
I got my punisher skull tattoo 19 years ago, while in 1/325th......now zoomers consider it the mark of a beta male cring lord, or a neonazi.......weird world
@MrCadet08 keep in mind the nazis used Nordic symbols that were around long before their ideology, the punisher logo went from comic fans to the crazy racists that use it as the logos for thier orgs.
I’ll never get over the blue line skull. Like do they not realize the punisher is the opposite of the police lmao
Inadvertently admitting they want to kill people without consequence from the very laws they swore to enforce.
@@Clay3613 yea yea... poilce just wants to kill random people for no reason whatsoever
Not really. You do realize there's a comic where Punisher refused to fight a cop because he is a good cop
if Marvel "retires" the logo then no bad people can use it anymore. yep. that makes sense.
lol they tried to did the same crap with Pepe
Marvel is a business. The suits don't actually care about the issue and how to solve it, they want to do whatever they think will make them the most money.
@@tubeguy4066 was just about to comment the same ;D
Ironically no longer using the symbol makes it exclusively a real life (x) symbol
@John Smith what in tarnation does (x) means?
I wonder if Frank could have a Nomad-style identity crisis arc where he operates somewhere else under a different alias and uniform while he reflects on his life as a warfighter and how it was meant to differentiate himself from crimefighters rather than inspire them
@gaelan white And inspiring their readers. Some Batman writers have been trying to that with his found family, but it comes off more soap opera than character drama. I love this idea, though
@@ThreeProphets guess the problem with Batman is that such Story would raise complicated questions as to why he doesnt use at least parts of his insane Wealth to tackle the problem of crimminality in Gotham
@@ottersirotten4290 I would point you to the Telltale games, where he does exactly that. Some writers forget the "philanthropist" part of "billionaire playboy philanthropist," and I think that's a huge mistake for the character of Bruce Wayne in general, not just in these types of stories
@@ThreeProphets But he could do so much more, why not financially/equipmentwise support Police/Neighborhoodwatches etc, why not building a Team/Army of Batmans instead of doing everything alone? why not using Lawfare against organized crime?
I dont wanna sh*** on Batman too much here, but in order to enjoy him i have to consciously ignore such questions
@@ottersirotten4290 Batman Inc was a team of heroes, and Batwoman’s dad was actively studying Batman’s methods, fighting style, etc to train mercs in the comics as well a few years back.
As for the commercial nature of Batman, Inc., Morrison said that he was inspired by real-life tools used to market the image of the title character. "I was looking back at the old Tim Burton Batman movie in 1989, and the way they played that symbol, it was such a major merchandising tool. So I wanted to do something that represented that, or echoed that. So Batman, Inc. is the notion of Batman taking the symbol and saying, 'let's form an international army or team, or police force, which is endorsed by Batman and wears Batman's symbol.”
It's ironic that police use the punisher skull since the punisher in comics hates the police because they did nothing to help find his families killers
ironic but w.e
It could be a reminder to themselves never let things get to the point that created the punisher.
Basically a warning to themselves to be better.
He is an ex Cop him self and certainly doesnt hate the police, he just thinks their hands are tied, thats why he gladly accepts intel from police officers who agree with him
@@ottersirotten4290 nah bro that mans do not fw cops
@@juggmane3k830 what? not mean to be offensive but can you write like a normal person?
It symbolizes hitting the gas pedal as hard as you can at every stop light in your diesel truck.
The whole use of the symbol especially by militias and police gives me, “I can stop a school shooter with karate” vibes. It’s like the weird kid’s power fantasy.
There's an arc in the comics where Frank hunts downs a vigilant militia that is inspired by him. One of his first solo arcs
I like the whole "Oh, a group of people are taking on my role as (X)? Better go deal with them because they're not allowed to do that. There can be only one (X)."
Professional jealousy at its finest. This is the equivalent of a firefighter getting angry with a house owner for using his own fire extinguisher to put out a fire or a cop getting angry with a home owner for using his own firearm to stop a house invasion by 1 or more burglars, or a paramedic getting angry with an individual trained in basic first aid assisting an injured or ailed individual...
The blue lives matter one always makes me giggle. Punisher literally killed corrupt cops and any cop who got in his way of defeating crime lmao. I never seen a good cop kill a corrupt cop so I don’t wanna see them rock the skull EVER.
There isn’t such thing as a good cop 😂 I mean unless you consider them nice for not killing you.
@@creepypastacraft fym no such thing as a good cop
@@Farless_the system of policing that exists is corrupt and it exists in such a way that it dehumanizes people in the eyes of the police, encourages violence from police, and punishes police that speak out about brutality while protecting the cops who do the brutalizing. Not every cop goes around kicking babies and shooting minorities, but the policing system needs to be abolished or reworked to the point its unrecognizable when compared to the modern thing. There are no good cops because cops uphold and benefit from a system of systematic oppression.
It remains me of the ARVN Rangers insignia from the 60s/70s
Thanks to Mike Force yes
1) Depending on the comic run you read, your perception of the character will vary. Each writer adds their own interpretation
2) Like all art, once its out to the public, the creator loses the ability to control the meaning
3) If you're assuming someone is a certain way just because the wear or display the logo, thats a YOU problem.
4) Anyone can use for any reason they want and if it triggers you, the issue is YOU and need for control.
5) It's the people complaining the use of it, that give it a negative value and thus more worth.
6) Its just a comic book character, so if you like it for any reason, use it anyway you want.
7) great video
I never thought Uniform History would speak about 4Chan
Everyone: The Punisher shirt is too controversial, no one can wear it anymore!
Me: Alright then I'll just wear a shirt with Barracuda on it and real Punisher fans can recognize it while everyone else ignores it.
i can sympathize. i used to wear Hawaiian shirts ALL THE TIME.
@@pathevermore3683 lol so you stopped? what a wimp
@@tubeguy4066 thanks, tube guy, coming from YOU of all inanimate marketing gimmicks, that was extra harsh.
Smart, that's like wearing the confederate flag as a rebel flag
@@pathevermore3683 wait, what's wrong with Hawaiian shirts. I've only started wearing them now with shorts and straw hats.
There's a small gun shop I've been to that still uses the Punisher skull. It has a tree growing through a hole above its left eye.
It seems that other, more "jolly Roger" type skulls are becoming popular. Possibly because pirate video games are so popular.
Oh, and Deadpool.
The little round Deadpool logo is used a lot, mostly to denote troublemakers or pranksters, depending on the variant.
My platoon when i was in Afghanistan was The 2nd Platoon "Punishers" (2009) we had the logo on our turret shields.
You got my old Humvee!
@@AZDesertExplorer No you probably got me mixed up with another unit we had RG31s
Thats pretty cool
Lol cringelord
Putting the special in special forces
@@plaguedoctorjamespainshe6009 watch yourself punk
"Punisher Warzone" does the Character more justice than the Tom Jane Movie
I liked how the skull was given a origin in the 2004 film starring Thomas Jane and that it was on a t-shirt Castle's son bought him as a gift and that he was told the skull was a symbol that wards off evil and Castle loves the t-shirt and after his family are slain, it becomes his symbol as The Punisher.
Damn, this one is an extremely well researched roller coaster. Thank you sir for this video.
First the punisher skull, then the spartan helm, now the Fett helmet...
What will the tac industry bastardize next?..
I Don't know I will get back to you lol
@oscar robledo Ngl, as a Viking age reenactor, seeing ‘dude-bro taticool wannabe tough guys’ pisses me off to no end, if only because it is a wildly inaccurate view of actual vikings
@oscar robledo exactly
When he mixed it with the Captain America logo post Civil War was awesome.
Good on ya' for going over this in such a neutral "just the facts" way. In the current landscape, ts appreciated.
I’m gonna go out on a limb and say the majority of people who wear the skull just think it’s a badass logo
Thats exactly why its on my truck. Its badass and the show is sick. Not all this political shit
In Brazil, BOPE uses skull as a badge since the 80's. Their members are actually called "caveiras" skulls in portuguese.
Thank you for putting it all together for me. That examples why Caveira looks like the way she does in Rainbow 6.
I have been a huge Punisher fan probably since I was in single digits three decades ago, and even I cannot imagine that a 35-minute video on the skull alone isn't excessive.
Excellent video, very informative. However, the skull insignia was adopted in 1759 by the British 17th Lancers before the totenkopf was a thing, and is still in use by their descendants, the Queen's Royal Lancers, to this day. They are informally known as the "Death or Glory Boys" by their admirers and "Boneheads" by their detractors.
8:51 the guy on the right is an absolute legend, after he left the seal teams he went on to become a doctor and is now a NASA astronaut
Holy shit that’s cool
His name is Jonathan Kim, dude is a beast.
How can one person have enough time in their life to become a navy seal, a doctor, and an astronaut?
@@ethancooper1560 I feel like I hardly have enough time to take the trash out
@@ethancooper1560 he is asian
Gotta respect how balanced the political portions of this video were! Damn fine work.
Based name and profile picture.
cringe name and pfp
@@fib1 Seems you're the one who has a cringe name and pfp. Remove communists!
@@fib1 Says the furry pfp lol
@@5.7moy Time to be a FURRY HUNTER :)))
I work in law enforcement, and I am also a fan of the punisher comic books and the Netflix series of the character, but I would never wear the punisher’s skull on my uniform. The representation in my opinion does not represent what being a peace officer is about: that every individual deserves justice with due process
Hi! I’m Gerry Conway’s daughter Rachel, I can’t thank you enough for covering this topic and clarifying the true intentions and meaning of my dad’s character! He absolutely hates how it is used by far-right, gun-toting entities. I appreciate you so much!!
Love the irony how the Punisher logo is appropriated by the police only for the Punisher himself to call them out and orders them to idolize heroes like Captain America instead of Vigilante's like him.
It was in a comic book. A seal team with some historical studs in it used it before it was cool and then it got hijacked by some fudds in the 2A world. There. Done. Video summed up. It’s predominantly used by people who exert extreme cringe.
Fudds are the worst
The Punisher is my favorite marvel character next to ghost rider
I have the blue line skull since my dad was a police officer and passed away last year on October 9th
I even got the tattoo with his badge number I miss him to this day...
and?
My condolences
@@Soopahperry111 and? How about just go away....
I never could understand why the Tom Jane punisher was not better recieved.
It was the first punisher movie I saw and instantly loved it.Being from Florida, I thought it was cool how the movie was based in Tampa.
@@KWillo I felt it gave it a little extra authenticity. Not the tropish Chicago or New York, showing crime existed everywhere, and Florida definitely has a history with smuggling being coastal.
I preferred Ray Stevenson. He had the "look" of Frank Castle to a level of perfection.
@@takingbacktoxic7898 His style of punisher grew on me from a few years after warzone first came out in theaters.
Such a detailed video! Sadly, not enough views.
i feel tough wearing my punisher shirt but i find dressing like sailor moon to be much more empowering.
Frank Castle wouldn't allow anyone other than Military personnel to wear the logo, especially police
Nah military is a no go too
@@aristotle6510 why
@@saulgoodman9179 The Punisher represents a certain lawlessness and brutality. He has no problems torturing and killing anybody he deems "necessary". That is not something military personnel should emulate. War has rules, you break them you're a war criminal.
@@saulgoodman9179 Guatamala, Vietnam, Middle East.....
@@aristotle6510 FRANK SERVED IN THE MIDDLE EAST YOU MORON yes he would be ok with what he views as his people aka warriors to use his symbol
I remember seeing a Taliban video on YT showing an American hill camp they claimed to have overrun. Besides all the weapons and ammo they captured, I noticed that there was a punisher skull painted on some of the fortifications.
Have to wonder what they thought.
I imagine, contrary to all of the 'psyops' rhetoric for it's use... They probably didn't even notice it
I'm not gonna lie, I quite appreciate your independent and unbiased coverage of the more modern adoption of the Punisher's Skull
It most definitely wasn't unbiased
8 years in the army and then 15 as a officer, I just like the symbol its cool and no I'm not in any militia or group (I'm old )
Mark of the beast 666=☠️☠️☠️
The logo is a universal symbol for being a badass. If Marvel retires it, it won't just go away. There aren't enough lawyers in the world for Disney to stop people from wearing it in some form.
if you feel the need to show people you're a badass then you aren't.
If you're letting people know you love comic books, you're a badass
sadly many many betas male panzies like to stick this symbol on their car or truck. Fraudulent
@angrysausage-qj9eg Disney can't sue you for wearing a tee shirt. Do you think if the Navy Seals or some random SWAT team suddenly started wearing a Cap Shield they'd retire that, too? What if some random white nationalist group did? If some group got a wild hair up their ass to decide their dog whisrle was the Cap shield, would they cancel that, too? And no one actually has to adopt it. All it takes is a stupid 4Chan joke to turn the OK sign into fake racist symbolism. Nobody is "worshipping" the Punisher. It's a cathartic character that kills bad guys and has a cool symbol.
Half the people who have the punisher skull on a shirt or on their car probably don’t even know who the character is
(me who has a varsity styled jacket with the skull logo)...well, I grew up with the Tom Jane film.
@@Darek_B52 well obviously you weren’t one of the half I was talking about
@@geertyboyfilms2721 take a joke
introduce them, they surely would love the punisher
@@ottersirotten4290 fs
Personally, I feel it's incredibly similar to how the Nazi's swastika logo was appropriated from Hinduism. This symbol once meant something, now it means something much more sinister.
i mean the swastika is still large in asia and is all over temples and religious artifacts just the western world internalized it as evil/wrong.
Great job on this video! It's clear you put a lot of work into your research and made sure to cover as much ground as possible. Your thorough analysis is really appreciated.
“Non biased eye” that’s a good one
What seemed biased or wrong?
Was unbiased to a surprising extent. Especially when considering that jokes about the kinds of people who use the imagery these days is such low hanging fruit.
The funniest thing is that the punisher isn't a representation of a outlaw who fights crime for the better good of humanity. Castle fights crime because he's a psychopath who needs to kill. In Punisher MAX it's explained that after the Vietnam War only thing he cared about was killing, and the death of his family gave him an outlet to do that, he doesn't care about other people. He knows that the war with crime that he went on won't end in him winning, he doesn't care because it gives him a reason to kill more and more people. I know this isn't the only adaptaion of his character but it's kinda funny to see people celebrate a vicious psycho as a hero.
Sooo, just like a cop who can't get an errection
because he kill's bad people, take that away and the hero thing is gone.
Uniform History you did an amazing job here on this subject. Bravo good sir, bravo
July 14th, Bastille Day : a choir sang in front of the presidential platform. The singers and the musicians were arranged in the shape of the Punisher's head. As for the lyrics, they reminded some of Q's themes. I'm sure the French president's already been removed by the military.