All Will Be One triggers off of proliferating your opponent’s counters, too! It doesn’t matter how buff their creatures are or if their sagas flip faster if they’re dead :p
Honestly, I wish more planeswalkers were 'not something you can play in any deck but powerful in the right shell.' In fact, more cards in general should be like that.
Thats the big problem with MtG now. Every card has to either win the game after one turn or be a 3 for 1 or 4 for 1. High power formats end up stifling creative deckbuildibg instead of promoting it.
@@DimT670 the huge power outliers aren't though. Fable of the Mirror Breaker, Sheoldred, Wandering Emperor, they're just incredibly pushed rates that don't require any build around.
You had lethal at 7:15 by animating Mishra's Foundry and casting Volt Charge. Not guaranteed, admittedly; if your opponent had instant speed removal you'd be back to square 1, but you wouldn't be in a worse position than just doing nothing.
@@kithkindeck I think he was trying to find a way to not give his opponent the opportunity to cast an Invoke Despair. (Which might not have killed, but would have forced him to sacrifice AWBO.) Honestly, just drawing toward a Planeswalker wasn't a bad option - it does play around removal better.
Also the turn beforehand block obliterator with the monk. Just sac a mountain to the effect and Jaya would have survived to either ping for 1 or redraw an answer.
Our man here trying to figure out how to do a handful of damage with the opponent tapped down, mana to spare, and a couple Foundries just hanging out yelling, "put me in coach, put me in. "
I do think the no-mountain hand was a mull and not a keep, but more importantly, I think the deck has too many colorless lands in general. Yes they can be useful and you definitely like the blast zone with all will be one, but you just lose when you don't have enough red sources. I would consider going down to 3 blast zone and 2 foundry, and dropping the sokenzahn too, for 4 more mountains.
I think there’s way too many colorless lands, despite it being a mono colored deck. Since it’s more control, you want to double spell later in the game, and it felt like it was awkward
You needed 2 red sources for Brothershood End. I don't think it was a keep, but don't think it's a punt or anything. Probably a bad keep though. Not awful. But kinda bad lol. Love ya Seth.
Yeah, that was a bad keep in my opinion. Easy to say with hindsight bias...but still. There was a pretty high chance that this hand would just do nothing for at least 2 turns. He pretty much kept a 0-lander.
It was the biggest punt. Im pretty sure he fucks up on purpose so we comment at this point. Because even game 1 he had some extremely questionable plays.
@@bixlorious I don't think he effs up on purpose. I think he over-analyzes and doesn't know the value of "make them have it". Also has a tendency to over-value card draw.
@@bixlorious I doubt that. I just think some people really hate to mulligan. Seth is one such person. We're here for his personality and jank/budget brews. Not pro level play.
Gosh I don't think I could have kept that. Like, I totally get it, but I've been screwed too many times by "Oh I just need one land of the other color and this hand is PERFECT" It's not the math, it's my paranoia.
I think the math actually backs up mulliganing pretty heavily in that instance. Like Seth was already at a disadvantage with Soldiers being in the play, so by taking a 50/50 shot at drawing the land he needed to do anything in the game he’s essentially halved his chances of winning. And considering the alternative was to ship the hand, draw a new 7, and get rid of the worst card in it I don’t really do much to defend the decision to keep there. Like sure if he went mountain into mountain then he’s in great shape since he can cast Brotherhood’s End, but those odds are even worse than the 50/50 Seth calculated
Yeah, that was a bad keep. At least in a 2/3 color deck if you're missing a color, you probably still have other cards you can cast in your hand. All colorless lands is a non-starter. I also think there's just too many colorless lands in the deck. You want ~18 red sources to cast your 1RR spells on curve (Chandra and Brotherhood's End) and with Koth you probably want even more so you have enough Mountains to kill large creatures reliably. Utility lands also have diminishing returns. If you too many, you're not going to have the mana to use them all.
Keep in mind that you can actually pay mana to untap Staff of Compleation. It didn't matter here as the little damage from the Blast Zone was enough, but you had something like 4 damage over lethal if you went the untap + proliferate instead (in match 3).
This deck just makes me happy. After the printing of new Koth, All Will Be One, and Urabrask's Forge, I have been wanting to build a mono-red proliferate deck for edh.
Very much reminds me of the Skred Red deck of the pre-Modern Horizons meta of Modern (RIP those days), which was a deck I absolutely loved. Being able to rock 4x mainboard Relic of Progenitus in the heydey of dredge felt soooo good
You can still do that and it is indeed fairly strong, since the Decks now either have the greediest manabase in existence or a highly graveyard-dependent. You do need to run your average MH-red package with Ravioli, Furry and Pyromancer. You can even run Chalice again for Cascade or if you are a real Chad Trinisphere
Honestly I think Koth is easier to understand and functions better when you consider the +2 as "+2: Draw a card"? Removal on the downtick is really good in mono red, the fact the uptick puts him at 6 and puts cards in hand for your looting effects is really nice, and if you have a board you can ult super quickly and use the uptick to fuel the ult? Not the most powerful walker ever, but definitely not bad!
The no mountain keep wasn't worth it because you needed to hit two mountains, not one; strangle is great and all but brotherhood's end was a requirement for that hand on the draw
Sorta related, but I've been having some success proliferating Geistflame Reservoir in a control shell. Very similar to the old Dynavolt Tower decks from Kaladesh.
I've been playing Koth in Explorer and loving it! No AWBO, but I get some extra mileage out of it by grabbing Into the Fire to wheel consistently (which is further aided by fetching up mountains) and topping things off with Yidaro and Fiery Emancipation on the high end.
I tinkered around with this idea before, without even All Will Be One. In Game 1, for example, when they're at 5, there was also lethal with play AWBO 2 -> volt into proliferate buster = 5 damage. When the opponent was down to 3, you could pay 7 to put 3 counters on blast zone. It's surprisingly versatile as a result of interactions like this. And the power of Koth+ on four, volt and ult on five can sometimes feel like cheating. Light Up The Night is a crazy good card at times (hits thalia for just 2 mana) and can turn Koth's high loyalty into an out-of-nowhere spike, and torch breath in the sideboard can relieve a lot of Ux tempo pressure.
The fact that you only need to proliferate Koth once (alongside the initial +2) to ultimate is huge and something I think many of us overlooked initially. I seem to loosely recall some other walkes that ultimated 2 turns after playing, but I'm also recalling that either their ult wasn't a standalone game winner (I think original Garruk might have overrun two turns after playing him?), or their increase ability was +2 so proliferate wouldn't substitute for a whole one (Ugin I think fits here - 9 on the first turn, 11 on the second, then ult - though Ugin would actually work as he only need 3 loyalty above start, so the uptick and a proliferate is perfect). Basically, going to have to have a look through the list of walkers now to see which ones can be done the turn after playing them now, and if their ult is good enough to build around. Fun times. :)
25:44 That keep was totally a mistake. I'm not sure what Seth was thinking but a deck that post-board is basically just removal and sweepers should have a pretty good matchup against soldiers, even on the draw.
Might be a good idea to pack some threaten effects (e.g. Bloody Betrayal in the current standard) in the sideboard for the Obliterator/Vindicator match up if you're playing mono-red
I don't think those are necessary; more proactive use of blast zones give the deck an answer to obliterator already, and threaten effects don't help from behind
(6-mana Chandra is my favorite Historic Brawl deck, so I play big red control a lot) Honestly, Staff of Compleation looks pretty bad, even when it's good. I think swapping them (at least in the main deck) for another Mountain and either a 3rd Chandra or another removal spell would be better. Maybe it comes in against control, but in any matchup where the opponent is doing damage, you can't expect multiple activations. Unless you curve into Koth and they can't remove counters, so you get the turn-5 emblem, the staff is either win-more, or you could have achieved the same result with another Light Up the Night, which doubles as a serviceable removal spell against aggro.
Great video Seth! I was thinking of what would be good for off color counterspells for modern and my best bet would be LD with lapse of certainty and mana tithe. Works good with the Boom//Bust and Pillage plan I believe.
This deck is actually really fun. I had my doubts. Thought maybe you got lucky in this video. But just tried it, and it is indeed an actually decent and fun deck.
The problem with that keep is you need two red sources for the sweeper and also for key cards like any planeswalker and all will be one. If you change the math to needing two mountains, it’s clearly a mulligan.
imo the keep at ~23:32 was fine. i probably wouldn't have kept it (because really you want to draw a mountain on your first draw or else it's probably too slow for soldiers when they're on the play, and the probability of drawing it on 1 draw was too low for my to want to risk it), but i don't think it was an unreasonable keep. that said, i do think it is a bit of a fault in deck construction to have so many colorless lands that you run into this problem. especially with koth in the deck. and wanting to cast brotherhood's end on 3 post board.
You should always see the upside of things, thats true. And its right that drawing the wrong half of the Deck always looks bad. On the other hand you just disregarded the 50% of certain death if you dont draw a red source. Especially on the draw against an efficient aggressiv deck. Of course you have to calculate first, but are the odds so low to have 2 lands and 5 cards and four of them are fable and interaction? But lets be honest. You love to gamble with such keeps. And we love to watch you enjoy or suffer the consequences. Pls never Change seth, so we wont have too
There were multiple games where the Koth/Swamp Lili comparisons were proven incredibly unfair because starting at 4 loyalty and ticking up to 6 has WAY more survivability than 3 loyalty ticking up to 4.
I've been maindecking 4x The Stone Brain in nearly every deck just to deal with Obliterators and Rotpriests, both of those cards are truly obnoxious and you'd be surprised how badly it can cripple a lot of other decks.
Honestly, I feel like what really makes Koth good in standard is Fable. Any deck running Koth will want to run Fable, and that means that Koth is flexible removal with a good ult and Fable turns the excess mountains into real card draw
I think with a roughly 50% chance of not drawing a red source with your opponent already having an advantage, keeping a hand without any red mana is absolutely the wrong line. Like let’s hypothetically say your chances of winning against soldiers on the play is 60/40 in favor of opponent. By keeping a hand with a 50% chance of not doing anything by turn 3 you’ve essentially halved your chances of winning, taking the odds from 60/40 to 80/20. Those are awful odds. Especially when the alternative is to draw a new hand of 7, get rid of the worst card in it, and having the chance to play your cards. Some of which can be 3 for 1s or 5 for 1s
I feel like there were a lot of times where you could've just used a foundry to attack or block and instead just treated them as colorless lands with no abilities.
At 25:00 in regards to the greedy keep, I think you're underselling the downside of not drawing a red source -- that is, you do *literally nothing* for 2-3 turns. If not having removal kills you, letting an aggro deck have 2 turns for free is just as bad. Meanwhile, if you go to six, you might be behind on resources (which you already are when you flounder for two turns with a grip full of cards you can't play), but you can also get an almost as good hand that doesn't just flounder waiting on a red source. The London Mulligan is powerful; use it.
I don’t like “hoping to draw a land” because you’re just stuck if you don’t. Regardless of the probability, I don’t like being in top deck mode essentially from turn 0 on
Funny enough, in match 3 game 1, you didnt even have to tick up your blast zone to get the last point of damage: You just had to proliferate their Restoration of Eiganjo All Will be One only cares that YOU are the one putting counters on permanents, not whose permanents are getting the counters
In Match 2 you show us the probability. Wouldn't you look at the hypergeo prob instead of the cdf? It seems with every draw you are extracting from the population size. I am not sure and that is why I am asking.
The one red proliferate spell is too much for me. I would pair this with Green(three good pro-s) or Blue(GREAT interaction w/ pro effects) for a mythic-tier build.
My experience with this deck: 45% of the time, lose to aggro. 45% of the time, lose to Invoke Despair wiping your board. 10% of the time, do cool things.
I'll always love your videos, but I mostly play bo1 these days. It would be really awesome if you would add a bo1 version of some of these decks. Or just talk about it at the end or something.
The issue with this deck is that it's all in on All Will Be One. If that's gone, the deck kind of needs to be ahead to win. Then, if that's the case, you wouldn't need All Will Be One. I think the deck needs something extra.
All Will Be One triggers off of proliferating your opponent’s counters, too! It doesn’t matter how buff their creatures are or if their sagas flip faster if they’re dead :p
That's actually a super cool synergy!
Honestly, I wish more planeswalkers were 'not something you can play in any deck but powerful in the right shell.' In fact, more cards in general should be like that.
Thats the big problem with MtG now. Every card has to either win the game after one turn or be a 3 for 1 or 4 for 1. High power formats end up stifling creative deckbuildibg instead of promoting it.
Most cards ARE like that. Im pretty sure you can't play kumano in control or one with the multiverse in soldiers.
@@DimT670 the huge power outliers aren't though. Fable of the Mirror Breaker, Sheoldred, Wandering Emperor, they're just incredibly pushed rates that don't require any build around.
You had lethal at 7:15 by animating Mishra's Foundry and casting Volt Charge. Not guaranteed, admittedly; if your opponent had instant speed removal you'd be back to square 1, but you wouldn't be in a worse position than just doing nothing.
Or just cast the spare all will be one so volt charge deals 5 next turn?
@@kithkindeck I think he was trying to find a way to not give his opponent the opportunity to cast an Invoke Despair. (Which might not have killed, but would have forced him to sacrifice AWBO.) Honestly, just drawing toward a Planeswalker wasn't a bad option - it does play around removal better.
Also the turn beforehand block obliterator with the monk. Just sac a mountain to the effect and Jaya would have survived to either ping for 1 or redraw an answer.
@7:14 punt, you had lethal with all will be one #2 + volt charge to the face with poliferate bank buster.
I was crying lmao seth pls 😭
Or turn on the foundry and attack, then do the volt charge proliferate too
I wish they'd given us another colorless or red proliferate spell in ONE. I would've loved a reference to Contagion Clasp/Contagion Engine.
Yeah. Cacophony Scamp doesn't really cut it in most decks
Throne of Geth!!
Or just a reprint of Contagion Engine. We need one.
Staff of compleation?
Proliferate really isn't in pie for red.
Our man here trying to figure out how to do a handful of damage with the opponent tapped down, mana to spare, and a couple Foundries just hanging out yelling, "put me in coach, put me in. "
Filigree Sylex would be another option for an alternative sweeper for this deck.
Opponent plays Inspiring Overseer in a Standard that is full of Midrange cards and no Angel payoffs:
Seth: "They're probably playing Angels."
Giada is a pretty good angel payoff
I do think the no-mountain hand was a mull and not a keep, but more importantly, I think the deck has too many colorless lands in general. Yes they can be useful and you definitely like the blast zone with all will be one, but you just lose when you don't have enough red sources. I would consider going down to 3 blast zone and 2 foundry, and dropping the sokenzahn too, for 4 more mountains.
actually, do you even want foundry at all? It just isn't what your deck is trying to do. Maybe 4 blast zone is the only non-mountains you want.
Did seth say “Saffwon Owive” 🥺
I heard Saffron Owive
He did get a random cat, he may be suffering the effects slowly.
@@Kydrou lmao 💀💀
I thought he said All With
I checked the comments just to see if anyone else thought this, and it was the top comment XD
I think there’s way too many colorless lands, despite it being a mono colored deck. Since it’s more control, you want to double spell later in the game, and it felt like it was awkward
Too many foundry's imo, replace them with the red channel land.
Not to mention the M2G2 loss to your own manabase.
@@svendejong8110 Yeah, that was painful. That was basically a zero-land hand with a 50:50 chance of drawing a land in the first two turns.
You needed 2 red sources for Brothershood End. I don't think it was a keep, but don't think it's a punt or anything. Probably a bad keep though. Not awful. But kinda bad lol. Love ya Seth.
It was a bad keep. He was against a fast deck and he knew it. He *needed* a red source to play without being run over.
Yeah, that was a bad keep in my opinion. Easy to say with hindsight bias...but still. There was a pretty high chance that this hand would just do nothing for at least 2 turns. He pretty much kept a 0-lander.
It was the biggest punt. Im pretty sure he fucks up on purpose so we comment at this point. Because even game 1 he had some extremely questionable plays.
@@bixlorious I don't think he effs up on purpose. I think he over-analyzes and doesn't know the value of "make them have it". Also has a tendency to over-value card draw.
@@bixlorious I doubt that. I just think some people really hate to mulligan. Seth is one such person. We're here for his personality and jank/budget brews. Not pro level play.
That blast zone lethal at the end of match 1 is just peak mtg as garfield intended
First seeing koth I thought he was just so disappointed but every time I see someone cast him now he just always puts in so much work
Gosh I don't think I could have kept that. Like, I totally get it, but I've been screwed too many times by "Oh I just need one land of the other color and this hand is PERFECT"
It's not the math, it's my paranoia.
So has Seth 😂 It's very rare that you can keep a hand 100% uncastable. That matchup is definitely not it....
I think the math actually backs up mulliganing pretty heavily in that instance. Like Seth was already at a disadvantage with Soldiers being in the play, so by taking a 50/50 shot at drawing the land he needed to do anything in the game he’s essentially halved his chances of winning. And considering the alternative was to ship the hand, draw a new 7, and get rid of the worst card in it I don’t really do much to defend the decision to keep there. Like sure if he went mountain into mountain then he’s in great shape since he can cast Brotherhood’s End, but those odds are even worse than the 50/50 Seth calculated
Yeah, that was a bad keep. At least in a 2/3 color deck if you're missing a color, you probably still have other cards you can cast in your hand. All colorless lands is a non-starter. I also think there's just too many colorless lands in the deck. You want ~18 red sources to cast your 1RR spells on curve (Chandra and Brotherhood's End) and with Koth you probably want even more so you have enough Mountains to kill large creatures reliably. Utility lands also have diminishing returns. If you too many, you're not going to have the mana to use them all.
One is "I really talked down on this card but it's actually good" the set for the goldfish crew lol
Jace, koth, atraxia, the list goes on XD
Richard thinks every card is crap so that's kind of an easy take :P
28:13 The opponents reaction to you going off is fantastic haha
FYI if this deck takes off, the current Store Championship winner promo is an alt-art foil Koth going for $27 TCG low as of this video’s posting.
Keep in mind that you can actually pay mana to untap Staff of Compleation. It didn't matter here as the little damage from the Blast Zone was enough, but you had something like 4 damage over lethal if you went the untap + proliferate instead (in match 3).
This deck just makes me happy. After the printing of new Koth, All Will Be One, and Urabrask's Forge, I have been wanting to build a mono-red proliferate deck for edh.
Very much reminds me of the Skred Red deck of the pre-Modern Horizons meta of Modern (RIP those days), which was a deck I absolutely loved. Being able to rock 4x mainboard Relic of Progenitus in the heydey of dredge felt soooo good
You can still do that and it is indeed fairly strong, since the Decks now either have the greediest manabase in existence or a highly graveyard-dependent. You do need to run your average MH-red package with Ravioli, Furry and Pyromancer.
You can even run Chalice again for Cascade or if you are a real Chad Trinisphere
Honestly I think Koth is easier to understand and functions better when you consider the +2 as "+2: Draw a card"? Removal on the downtick is really good in mono red, the fact the uptick puts him at 6 and puts cards in hand for your looting effects is really nice, and if you have a board you can ult super quickly and use the uptick to fuel the ult? Not the most powerful walker ever, but definitely not bad!
The no mountain keep wasn't worth it because you needed to hit two mountains, not one; strangle is great and all but brotherhood's end was a requirement for that hand on the draw
Volt Charge is such a good card. Happy to see it do well
Nice, I love when opponents inspire you.
It's more shocking he came across someone not playing a boring copy pasted netdeck
At 29:50 you could have also just pay and untap the staff of completion and proliferate again, which was more damage.
Also when proliferating, putting a counter in their saga gave 1 more damage
This deck looks reminds me of rabble red, very well fitted to battle mono black devotion.
Can eat thought seize and duress easily.
good to see you finally seeing the light on Koth Seth
Sorta related, but I've been having some success proliferating Geistflame Reservoir in a control shell. Very similar to the old Dynavolt Tower decks from Kaladesh.
Koth is a good red planeswalker, emphasis on red.
I would like to see him in an oops all mountains valakute deck though.
I've been playing Koth in Explorer and loving it! No AWBO, but I get some extra mileage out of it by grabbing Into the Fire to wheel consistently (which is further aided by fetching up mountains) and topping things off with Yidaro and Fiery Emancipation on the high end.
I tinkered around with this idea before, without even All Will Be One. In Game 1, for example, when they're at 5, there was also lethal with play AWBO 2 -> volt into proliferate buster = 5 damage. When the opponent was down to 3, you could pay 7 to put 3 counters on blast zone.
It's surprisingly versatile as a result of interactions like this. And the power of Koth+ on four, volt and ult on five can sometimes feel like cheating. Light Up The Night is a crazy good card at times (hits thalia for just 2 mana) and can turn Koth's high loyalty into an out-of-nowhere spike, and torch breath in the sideboard can relieve a lot of Ux tempo pressure.
Okay that was sick. So many good comebacks this video.
I think 4 mishras' foundry is one or two too many, cool deck.
This was such a cool deck and video. One of my favorites Seth has ever played!
The fact that you only need to proliferate Koth once (alongside the initial +2) to ultimate is huge and something I think many of us overlooked initially. I seem to loosely recall some other walkes that ultimated 2 turns after playing, but I'm also recalling that either their ult wasn't a standalone game winner (I think original Garruk might have overrun two turns after playing him?), or their increase ability was +2 so proliferate wouldn't substitute for a whole one (Ugin I think fits here - 9 on the first turn, 11 on the second, then ult - though Ugin would actually work as he only need 3 loyalty above start, so the uptick and a proliferate is perfect).
Basically, going to have to have a look through the list of walkers now to see which ones can be done the turn after playing them now, and if their ult is good enough to build around. Fun times. :)
25:44 That keep was totally a mistake. I'm not sure what Seth was thinking but a deck that post-board is basically just removal and sweepers should have a pretty good matchup against soldiers, even on the draw.
Tablet of completion counter for the last tick of damage was really sweet.
Might be a good idea to pack some threaten effects (e.g. Bloody Betrayal in the current standard) in the sideboard for the Obliterator/Vindicator match up if you're playing mono-red
I don't think those are necessary; more proactive use of blast zones give the deck an answer to obliterator already, and threaten effects don't help from behind
Okay so they turn 4 Obliterator/Vendicator and you steal it for one turn...then what?
Coolest standard deck I’ve seen in so long
I saw it in Brawl, and it was very fun. The fact that it worked here was cool
17:49 is that an "It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia" reference? If so, good stuff sir lol
Had a similar idea with Ajani! Built an abzan deck that proliferated and Ajani surprisingly ultimates several times!
Ah, another Koth deck to tempt me before ultimately breaking my heart.
(6-mana Chandra is my favorite Historic Brawl deck, so I play big red control a lot) Honestly, Staff of Compleation looks pretty bad, even when it's good. I think swapping them (at least in the main deck) for another Mountain and either a 3rd Chandra or another removal spell would be better. Maybe it comes in against control, but in any matchup where the opponent is doing damage, you can't expect multiple activations. Unless you curve into Koth and they can't remove counters, so you get the turn-5 emblem, the staff is either win-more, or you could have achieved the same result with another Light Up the Night, which doubles as a serviceable removal spell against aggro.
Great video Seth! I was thinking of what would be good for off color counterspells for modern and my best bet would be LD with lapse of certainty and mana tithe. Works good with the Boom//Bust and Pillage plan I believe.
This deck is actually really fun. I had my doubts. Thought maybe you got lucky in this video. But just tried it, and it is indeed an actually decent and fun deck.
In my head cannon Seth always introduces himself to people he meets irl as “I’m Seth, prooooooobably better known as Saffron Olive)”
This is giving the hellraiser deck a run for its money as my favorite All Will be One standard deck
23:30 Noooo, that keep was so greedy. I don't think a hand with zero castable spells is good enough. XD
That brutal cathar on the fable 😂
God I love Big Red Planeswalker decks so much. Big fan.
The problem with that keep is you need two red sources for the sweeper and also for key cards like any planeswalker and all will be one. If you change the math to needing two mountains, it’s clearly a mulligan.
imo the keep at ~23:32 was fine. i probably wouldn't have kept it (because really you want to draw a mountain on your first draw or else it's probably too slow for soldiers when they're on the play, and the probability of drawing it on 1 draw was too low for my to want to risk it), but i don't think it was an unreasonable keep.
that said, i do think it is a bit of a fault in deck construction to have so many colorless lands that you run into this problem. especially with koth in the deck. and wanting to cast brotherhood's end on 3 post board.
You should always see the upside of things, thats true. And its right that drawing the wrong half of the Deck always looks bad. On the other hand you just disregarded the 50% of certain death if you dont draw a red source.
Especially on the draw against an efficient aggressiv deck.
Of course you have to calculate first, but are the odds so low to have 2 lands and 5 cards and four of them are fable and interaction?
But lets be honest. You love to gamble with such keeps. And we love to watch you enjoy or suffer the consequences. Pls never Change seth, so we wont have too
seeing so much planeswalker synergies makes me wish the chainveil was legal in standard
I don't think I've heard something as cursed as "monored proliferate control" since the days of "monogreen turns control".
There were multiple games where the Koth/Swamp Lili comparisons were proven incredibly unfair because starting at 4 loyalty and ticking up to 6 has WAY more survivability than 3 loyalty ticking up to 4.
All Will Be One + Blast Zone is like the Punishing Fire combo.
Another great video brother Set. I really enjoyed it ☺ 😊 😌 😄 🤗 🙂 ☺ 😊. How much is the deck in paper?
What did we learn this week - big red lines up well with the meta.
I've been maindecking 4x The Stone Brain in nearly every deck just to deal with Obliterators and Rotpriests, both of those cards are truly obnoxious and you'd be surprised how badly it can cripple a lot of other decks.
The same happened with the new Jace, it's actually usefull. I guess the missevaluating of 4cmc cards continue.
17:49 was that... was that an always sunny reference?
Crazy tablet of completion win!
Honestly, I feel like what really makes Koth good in standard is Fable. Any deck running Koth will want to run Fable, and that means that Koth is flexible removal with a good ult and Fable turns the excess mountains into real card draw
Seems super interesting
Koth has basically the exact same structure as Nahiri the Harbinger, I knew it would be decent in at least a few shells.
That was so many Planeswalkers and triggers in that game 1
I realized an interesting fact: depending on the right format, there are just enough cards to activate monument of perfection in a mono-color deck
At 19:13, was he actually dead, or just very unlikely to win?
This deck is so much fun to play oh my gosh.
I built a historic skred red deck with koth. It's actually really good
I think cut mishras foundry to reduce colorless lands
I think with a roughly 50% chance of not drawing a red source with your opponent already having an advantage, keeping a hand without any red mana is absolutely the wrong line. Like let’s hypothetically say your chances of winning against soldiers on the play is 60/40 in favor of opponent. By keeping a hand with a 50% chance of not doing anything by turn 3 you’ve essentially halved your chances of winning, taking the odds from 60/40 to 80/20. Those are awful odds. Especially when the alternative is to draw a new hand of 7, get rid of the worst card in it, and having the chance to play your cards. Some of which can be 3 for 1s or 5 for 1s
I feel like there were a lot of times where you could've just used a foundry to attack or block and instead just treated them as colorless lands with no abilities.
7:12 attack and volt charge for lethal
Needs a fun of Mirrex!
At 25:00 in regards to the greedy keep, I think you're underselling the downside of not drawing a red source -- that is, you do *literally nothing* for 2-3 turns. If not having removal kills you, letting an aggro deck have 2 turns for free is just as bad.
Meanwhile, if you go to six, you might be behind on resources (which you already are when you flounder for two turns with a grip full of cards you can't play), but you can also get an almost as good hand that doesn't just flounder waiting on a red source. The London Mulligan is powerful; use it.
I don’t like “hoping to draw a land” because you’re just stuck if you don’t. Regardless of the probability, I don’t like being in top deck mode essentially from turn 0 on
Keep trying to tap and hold on cards to read them, like that will actually do anything
Dragonspark Reactor or Geistflame Reservoir plus proliferate gives the deck some additional inevitability.
I Love this deck. Koth is amazing
I honestly love the look of koth
You could have attacked in with the foundry a couple times in that first game.
25:25 Didn't you guys have a podcast about consistency in one's mana base? According to that you wouldn't have kept that hand.
Funny enough, in match 3 game 1, you didnt even have to tick up your blast zone to get the last point of damage:
You just had to proliferate their Restoration of Eiganjo
All Will be One only cares that YOU are the one putting counters on permanents, not whose permanents are getting the counters
In Match 2 you show us the probability. Wouldn't you look at the hypergeo prob instead of the cdf? It seems with every draw you are extracting from the population size. I am not sure and that is why I am asking.
lovely, you go seth!!
I dont think that hand was super crazy to keep but I personally wouldn't have risked it with only 15 mountains.
I think you justified your keep, mathematically of course.
The one red proliferate spell is too much for me.
I would pair this with Green(three good pro-s) or Blue(GREAT interaction w/ pro effects) for a mythic-tier build.
My experience with this deck: 45% of the time, lose to aggro. 45% of the time, lose to Invoke Despair wiping your board. 10% of the time, do cool things.
I'll always love your videos, but I mostly play bo1 these days. It would be really awesome if you would add a bo1 version of some of these decks. Or just talk about it at the end or something.
Hmm, maybe I'll have to add more best of one to the mix.
The issue with this deck is that it's all in on All Will Be One. If that's gone, the deck kind of needs to be ahead to win. Then, if that's the case, you wouldn't need All Will Be One. I think the deck needs something extra.
Fun fact: The first opponent’s name, «Gullfisk», is norwegian and translates to «Goldfish»!
It's impressive how often Blast Zone ends the game
sweet deck
this koth may just might be the mono red lilliana of the dark realms
15:01 Why not play Chandra, add mana, cast Koth. Literally got Duressed for not playing her