E-Flite Super Timber 1.7m BNF Basic with AS3X and SAFE Select - Model AV8R Announcement & Review
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- Опубліковано 5 лип 2024
- Bigger, Badder, and Better! In Model AV8R episode 139, we feature the new E-flite Super Timber! This is the largest foam Timber yet. With 6s power and features never seen before on a foam sport/bush plane...the bar has been raised. In this review we'll cover the assembly, features, set-up, and flight characteristics. We fly it on 6s and 4s in several versatile demos. Check this one out and enjoy!
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Link to the Super Timber BNF at Horizon Hobby - www.avantlink.com/click.php?t...
Link to the Super Timber PNP at Horizon Hobby - www.avantlink.com/click.php?t...
Link to the Super Timber BNF at Tower Hobbies - www.avantlink.com/click.php?t...
Link to the Super Timber PNP at Tower Hobbies - www.avantlink.com/click.php?t...
You can get to the new inflatable lightweight tundra tires and the float set through links on the model page.
Chapters:
00:00 Intro/Model Announcement
00:52 Model Assembly
02:39 Model Specs/Price Point
03:09 Model Standard Features
06:34 Model New Features
12:05 Model Set-Up/Set-Up Info Page
13:29 Flight Footage: 6s Demo
18:20 Flight Footage: 6s Demo w/Slats
21:14 Flight Footage: 4s Demo
25:04 Flight Footage: 6s Gravel Runway Ops
27:28 Flight Footage: Bonus Stalls/Hover/Smooth Runway
29:06 Our Final Thoughts
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***CORRECTION*** We were wrong about the RX. With the AR637TA RX the Super Timber comes equipped with...you have 6 actual ports, but 3 other "Virtual/Function" channels. So...you CAN have a full span aileron mix, Thrust Reverse, and AS3X/SAFE on switches with the stock RX (If your TX has the channels)...no need for a larger RX to get all the options/functions.
I have a night timber x with full span ailerons and would love to get reverse thrust as well. How do you use the virtual function channels?
You'll see AUX2, AUX3, etc. depending on how many channels your TX is. Just assign that function to one of those on whatever switch you want...which for reverse thrust is handled in the Avian programming.
I was going to ask you about this. I just use Flight Modes for my aR631's..
Thanks for clarifying 👍
Wouldn't you need to go to 8ch if you also wanted crow? Like the 2m SWS or 60" PnP Stick?
@thomasedwards629 For crow and full span ailerons...yes. If you just want one or the other, no. With the 6 channel (6 actual ports), you can y the ailerons and isolate the two flap servos for full span ailerons, or y the flaps and isolate the ailerons for crow. To have both... you have to isolate all 4... then you need more channels (ports).
I learned to fly both fixed and rotary wing model. During this process I crashed numerous times. My time and money could have been avoided with AS3X and SAFE. I viewed these training aids as a crutch but not any more. They will save you money and air time.
They can be a crutch...or a training aid. All in how you use it. To be fair, if someone wants a crutch, and they are having fun...I reckon that is alright as well.
Maybe it's just me but - at least with Timbers - I think SAFE enables slower flying than fully hands on can achieve so I will often switch it on just to see how slow I can mooch around with flaps.
@@JS-zz2hz For sure Timbers will fly slow even at a lower angle of attack, but It's just you. SAFE limits control throw. I can get any plane (including Timbers) at a higher angle of attack (slower) out of SAFE than I can in it. You need the elevator and rudder throw combined with throttle modulation to get as slow as a plane is capable of flying.
@@ModelAV8RChannel It's me being lazy Adam. As only an occasional flyer now I just find slow fly steadier and easier in SAFE especially with something like a Timber X but If I was a more regular flyer I might well have eventually got better than the artificial aids.
Fantastic video - big fan of how you break things down and go into the detail....whilst keeping it informative!
Thanks very much!
Great demo ! Impressed with how agile it is, it's very short take off, spins, and the whole flight package. Well done.
Thanks man! Awesome airplane.
Adam, The plane is very well demonstrated. Kudos. Nice flying. Good review.
Thanks man!
Great review Adam! As a side note, I love hearing the birds in your videos!
Thanks man! Yes...the birds are happy there!
Great job on all the info. I love mine also!
Thank you, Mike
Fantastic Foamy Super Timber! can't wait to get my hands on one. Well & Truly Done! Eflite
Great plane. My favorite Foam sport/bush plane so far!
Wow - this really is one plane to do it all (apart from scale of course). Most impressive.
It is a great one.
I wish i could have been there when you flew this one! Wow, looks great!
It is impressive! Thanks!
Another awesome video! Well done!!
Thanks so much man!
Incredible flying
Thanks! Awesome plane.
Nice hat choice matchie matchie! 😃 I'm all over this one! Extremely excited about getting one!
Really well done. Checks all the boxes for me.
I think we are in the middle of TIMBERMANIA. Just when you think they couldn't get any better. Here comes the Super Timber. Emmmm em. 👍👍
Yep!
Adam super demonstration of the Super Timber. Wow this is an amazing Super T only thing missing is a few Green accents on the White. Heidi fantastic video and Super Timber modeling. 😊 Jeff in LA USA
Thanks Jeff! Great airplane!
Well made video as usual guys.
I have to say that this looks like the best all round timber to me so far.
Still waiting for the Timber bipe!
Thanks! It is my favorite Timber ever for sure. Hey...a bipe could happen, lol. Probably fly awesome.
@@ModelAV8RChannel Seriously I think they could do it. They only have to nail that mild to wild experience the other Timbers have.
It could even have a Timber style fuse and tail with the short nose and squared off tips to retain the Timber styling cues.
Great video, Adam. Well done. The tires intrigue me.👍🏻😃
Thanks man! Love em'. Finally, a light inflatable tire that is soft.
@@ModelAV8RChannel Regarding ‚compatibility‘: What diameter (in mm) is the axle and how long does it have to be, to lock the wheel?
nice upgrades...looks great,,,,
nice job Adam !! thnxs for sharing
Thanks!
Jon got to meet up and shoot some content with your buddy Dustin - who is, by the way, an awesome guy. Even got a shout-out for ya on next Saturday's vid. Happy to see the Super Timber in your more than capable hands!
Awesome Jon! I meant to tell you to look for him. Glad y'all got to meet! Yes, Dustin is a great guy! I look forward to your vid!
Nice Video Adam. Thanks for sharing
Thanks for watching!
Another great video Adam, I think I might just have to buy myself one of these. Looks great.
Looks like it flies like a cross between the Twimber and the Timber-x.
That big thick wing reminds me of Twimber.
Thanks bro! Yep, OG timber style fuse, and larger Twimber style wing.
3 tough dudes:
1:Super Timber
2:Adam Gault
3:Bruce Lee
Plus a Super videographer in Heidi!
Even the cap matches the aircraft.
What more could you want.
Well done guys…. On my list as The original Timber is still my favourite.
question: i may have missed the info on the wheels, do the inflatables come with the aircraft or do you have to purchase seperate? (What wheels comes with the aircraft?) am i dumb or what!!
Hey Noel! Lol...bro you're a riot in the best kind of way! yep...comes with the super cool wheels/tires!
Pretty darn cool plane Adam. I just bought one.. 🙂. Great review as always...
It is man! Thanks bro!
Very, very great!!!--
Thanks👍
Great review! Can’t wait to get stick time at Nall
Thanks Steve! Man it was great meeting you at SEFF. Thanks for sharing your D.VII with us! Have a blast at Nall.
The timber well seems bottomless :) Great review and awesome piloting as always :)
It is! Thanks man!
Excellent as usual, Adam! Never met a Timber I didn't like (except for the 3D version). After I maiden my 2m Draco & 1.5m Twin Beech, this will be my next "larger" electric!
Thanks very much Joel! This one is impressive...dare I say...super!
@@ModelAV8RChannel Really looking forward to your next vids with the plane! 😎
@MrTurboparker Sounds like a request...what you wanna see bro?
Nice review thanks
Thanks for watching!
Looks WAAY more lively on 6s. The big old Twimber-esque wing looks a little more comfortable when its on floats, i think. Just an esthetics thing for me, really. I tend to like more scale aircraft models. But, i also appreciate a capable flier. I was having a real hard time picking which Timber to finally add to my hangar before this was released... damn, man! 😊 i might just save up for the SWS and get my 1st full size Timber AND 1st wood experience with one swipe of the wife's credit card 😊
Awesome review Adam and Heidi. 👍
Thanks Al! Bro honestly, you can't go wrong with either. Your reasoning on the SWS is solid. That would be a great first Balsa/Timber at one time!
Bonjour de France , superbe démonstration. Je possède le Timber SWS que j’aime, après la vidéo j’ai précommandé le Super Timber avec un jeu de roues supplémentaires pour mon SWS.
Merci Adam
Outstanding my friend! Enjoy it!
Looks good , I may hold out for the next “mega super timber “ in purple …..lol
Lol...Mega Super Timber. They actually might...Lol.
“Mega Super Timber Night” 🤪
Bolt action wing holder on'ers is the tech term. You do great reviews btw. All the little details
Thanks Ruby! I'm gonna use that term...
Hi, congratulations, nice video!! I agree with you, I also would have liked the inflatable wheels on the previous versions.
In your opinion, can the wheels of this super timber be mounted on the first version of the timber or are they too heavy? Thanks for the reply.
We talk about this in the video. Watch starting at 08:56. We cover everything about them. Basically though, no...the axles on the smaller Timbers are not large enough diameter.
Nice plane thanks for your detailed review as always! The big question for me being that it’s HH is how long it will be until it’s discontinued and the parts support dries up. Their products tend to have very short life cycles.
Thanks very much! So, to be fair that is a very broad statement, and not totally true. HH has had plenty of planes sell for a very long time. How they sell determines the lifespan. Great sellers like Timbers sell a long time, and because they sell so well (top selling model ever maybe) they get updated as they get feedback as to what customers want. Planes that don't sell well get discontinued, and on occasion it can be an issue with factories in China. Sometimes they won't make spare parts for a plane that isn't in production. This one has everything, and I suspect it will be in production a while.
Adam great video my friend.
Thanks man!
Great review Adam and Heidi, E-flite planes appear to be getting better and better!! That is one awesome Timber 😀👍
It really is Ian. A keeper for me.
Thanks for the review! the turbo evolution is just perfect for field flying and park flying. If you’re gonna go this you might as well just go carbon cub 2.1 airplane.
That's an option for sure, but l have to disagree, Lol. I love my CZ Cub, but this has several things it doesn't. Lights, interchangeable slats (LOVE THAT), Inflatable light tires (love that too, lol), easier to store/transport...and really easy to get together. Seconds compared to several minutes.
Looks like they fixed the design flaws in the Twin Timber landing gear system that make it go ass-over-teakettle so easily! Very nice! Great video!
Thanks man! So...gonna lay down a few facts on the Twin Timber...not directed at you...just the truth FYI. That wasn't the gear on the Twimber...that was pilots screwing up. We have a full video with multiple takeoffs and landings from multiple surfaces with no nose overs. That isn't magic. Lol. Now...will it nose over easier than most because of the high thrust line and high center of mass...yes...that should be obvious. I mean...look at it. So...account for that and fly it the way that is required. Use more up elevator on takeoff, and flare it more to get the nose up or be prepared to use more elevator than normal on a wheel landing to counter that characteristic...and you're fine. Pilots complain because you have to fly it different. Duh. It is different...that is the point of it. It's not supposed to look or fly exactly like everything else.
@@ModelAV8RChannel Great tips! I have actually worked through some of that, and it helped a lot. Still seems a little more prone to it than it should be, for the reasons you mentioned. Not a concern on my other few planes. My remaining design complaints are more about quality of the tires, axels, and that rear tire and flimsy spring that lays over sideways instead of turning with the rudder in slightly soft surfaces. It looked like there were great improvements on all those issues, on that Super T!
Yep, the gear is new all around on the ST.
Awww I would love to get this one free!
Lol , nice bird I'm pre ordering now.
Hope you enjoy it!
That would be a great camping plane with the take down wings. I wished it came with floats. Excellent review though. Maybe the evo floats will work. I will check. Do you and Heidi do any camping. Just wondering. Awesome out here in oregon when the sun comes out. Thanks.
It would Jay! There are floats available, part # is in our vid. Haven't camped in a while...used to a lot though.
Great! Just came back to the hobby after 10 years 😫 what transmitter is good to do those reverse thrust? Im starting from scratch in this hobby and i need a decent Transmitter..
Welcome back! Spektrum NX8 is a great all around TX.
Nice review Adam. How would you compare it with the Balsa Timber Sws? Would be an interesting comparison between those two since this one is half the price of the sws and easier to put together.
Yep, that is the advantage of foam...less expensive and easier to assemble, although the SWS is cake to assemble for a balsa model. The SWS's advantage is what you'd expect from a big balsa bird. It has more presence due to the shear size, it is much more resistant to hangar rash, and is still the most precise Timber I've ever flown. That said the ST is the most precise foam Timber by a good bit, and it reminded me of the SWS in that respect. The ST has some other clear advantages. It has the potential to be much better at 3D/XA aerobatics with the full span aileron option, but with sport aerobatics they are pretty evenly matched. It has much better gear and is a better pure STOL/bush plane. It has much better lights. The interchangeable slats are key...being able to take them off for aerobatics and put them on for STOL/bush flying is significant. Obviously the new light inflatable wheels are amazing...and can improve the SWS as well as they will fit it.
Bottom line is there are legit reasons for both depending on who you ask and what they are looking for. I haven't flown a bad Timber...they are all good given what they are and the genre they are in. Best selling rc plane line in history for a reason. We has passed on most of the sport/bush planes we've been sent and reviewed to other deserving modelers...we just don't have room to keep them all. The ST and SWS are both still in our hangar. What does that tell you...
@@ModelAV8RChannel thanks for your opinion. Currently I fly the Turbo Timber. Great plane but needs a nit more power and quicker roll rates. So have to think if it is a good idea to get the Super Timber or if it is time to step up to the balsa SWS.
Nice and informative video nice flying too
In my humble opinion the landing gear needs re do,,, the mounts in the fuse should not be plastic they will fail
I know many flyers who are always needing spare parts for the gear
Which can be on back order
Otherwise great plane
Thanks! Actually the mounts in this one are proven. New for Timbers, but not exactly new. They are made the same way (and size) as the mounts on the Carbon Z Cub V2 are, and those have been around a long time and have proven to hold up very well on a plane that is actually heavier than the Super Timber.
Fascinating comment at the 30-minute mark regarding fitting of a 2 bladed prop with a 4S flight pack. Could that be expanded into a future video to identify a definite size of 2 bladed prop and a compatible spinner, please?
We can do that. Might be a few weeks though. We have a lot of other content to get out.
FYI i pulled the trigger with your link.
Thanks man...you'll love it. I do!
@@ModelAV8RChannel Yeah just waiting on it to ship.
An interesting mix of the Twin Timber wing on the original Timber body. Love the colours on it. Looks like it's another winner. Nice flying, Adam ☺
Thank you Gina! Love this one, really enjoying it!
It sucks that with the feds 400’ altitude limit, that e-flite is still not equipping their products with the 637T so you know your altitude.
You know your altitude via your RID module if you're not flying at a FRIA. They are a complete GPS system. altitude, speed, etc. At a FRIA the altitudes are higher.
Adam you did again another great lookoing plane and if i can't see that in the sky time to quit lol Ivy hiding the credit card lol good video😊👍👍👍👍
Yes I am LOL😂, Great Video Adam!
It's awesome Frank! Get it when she ain't lookin', Lol!
@@ModelAV8RChannel lol thats the plan lol later buddy 😀😃😄
Very good review, Yet another timber Tug has to buy LoL
I know right! They keep making them better!
Could you do full wing set up with flaperons ?
Yep, but to isolate both ailerons and both flaps you'll need a 8 ch RX.
Hey Adam, I went with a Spektrum AR8360T and separated my ailerons and flaps.. which gives me CROW. I have yet to maiden my ST.. thoughts on CROW for this airframe?
That is cool. I now have full span ailerons as well, but didn't change the RX to get crow. I had crow on my Legacy Turbo Bushmaster. It's cool to keep it from gaining too much speed on a down line. You just have to know when to get rid of it if you're trying to use it to come down steep and land. It blocks the tail out on some planes and you can't get it to round out and flare.
@@ModelAV8RChannel thanks Adam.. excellent advise.. I didn’t think about the tail impact. I was more thinking the possible 3D effects CROW would give the ST when prop hangin her.
Technically you shouldn't need crow to hover it, maybe snap flaps to pop it into the hover quicker. Once you're there the normal 3 axis should be able to hold it fine if you have full span ailerons. All that said, playing with the crow and seeing what you can do with it should be fun.
cool, I can't believe I'm excited about a timber again, but this one may check all the box's- hoping they might release floats for it? Then it would check ALL my box's, and it gets ordered!
Yep! Watch the whole vid bro...there are floats for it, and we tell you that in the vid. Lol.
@@ModelAV8RChannel thanks, but I got excited and went to HH to order one and forgot to get back to the video to finish watching 😁
@tomheetderks9997 I know the feeling, man! BTW, we always have links in the description so you can get there and get you one! You'll enjoy it. Awesome airplane.
What C rating on the 4s 5000 spectrum battery did you use, 30 ot 50C ?
50c
What propeller is best for 4s power on this beast? Mine is on the way.
Haven't tested yet. I'd start with a 15x7 two blade (that is what the HH electric guru told me).
Being that the Stance is rather High, How is the ground handling in a breese?
Honestly it's less about the stance and more about the size of the rudder, the tail moment, and the pilots skill level. It has a big rudder and a long tail moment so it is easier to handle than many. I'm pretty good at using rudder, so for me it takes off and lands fine in the wind.
What is a good beginner plane and radio to buy?
AeroScout BNF with a Spektrum NX8. The NX8 will have capabilities that will take you through very advanced airplanes. You can use a cheaper, less capable TX to fly the AeroScout, but you will find yourself needing an upgrade soon.
Hello ! How does it compare with the "same size" Avios Grand Tundra that you've reviewed 2 years ago ?
Both are great airplanes, but when you compare the features the ST is well ahead.
@@ModelAV8RChannel Thanks ! The fuselage also seems waaay thinner on the ST
It is. The capability along with the quick detach wings, full span aileron option, interchangeable slats, and the gear with inflatable tires...hard to compete with that with any foam bush plane.
Can this landing gear be put on balsa timber?
No, but the Tires can, and that is all the SWS needs. Got a set coming for mine.
"XOAR PJN 14x7 14 Inch 2 blade Adam I ordered this prop for the super timber.
With your experience how do you think it will preform with this prop ?
That may be perfect. The actual math says 14x6 is the prop, but I think if you check the amps in the air with telemetry you'll be fine with that prop. Just keep an eye on the amps and temps on a hot day.
It was 95 at the field this afternoon. I flew for nine and a half minutes on a 6s 5000 mah battery witch took it down to storage charge. I could hold my finger on the motor as long as I wanted it was hot but it didn't burn me . This is an amazing plane flys great and is super easy to get ready to fly when you unload it .
Will the tires fit on the arrows bigfoot
Watch at 11:35 That plane will have smaller diameter, shorter axles.
All rubber tires should be aired up and measured with cloth tape for total circumference not by psi , too tight I found they'll bounce too much during landing
If only they made a proper scale cockpit with lexan sheet windows for us FPV bush flyers🙏🤠
Well, it isn't a scale plane to be fair, and that would require more weight and $.
Think of windows in a foam plane like a convertible car. When you remove the top of a car...you are removing an important part of the structure, so more reinforcement has to be added to make it as strong as it was. That is why the convertible version of every car is heavier than the regular version. Same with a foam model. The foam where the window stickers are is part of the structure supporting the wing/fuse connection. You take that away, you have to add more reinforcement (weight) to make it as structurally sound as it was before you cut all that away. That costs more to develop and design. Not really worth it on most sport planes.
@@ModelAV8RChannel yeah, I'm with you on those points. Just me daydreaming🤠 Great review btw! Loved the pneumatic tires! I'm impressed with the weight on those😮 I use Xfly Tasman wheels on my SuperCub, but those are closer to 80 grams a piece.. I have far less bounce leaving them slightly deflated like you pointed out. It also helps avoiding nose-overs, since it's easier to run over stuff with soft tires.
Man these tires are SO nice! Been waiting on something like them a while...
This looks like the 1.7m FMS PA-18 on steroids. Nice plane.
Pumped full of em'. Lol
What does expo mean?
This setting alters how sensitive the sticks are around the center point. It does not alter the total throw of the servo movement. It alters the default linear curve to one that either is less sensitive (positive expo) or more sensitive (negative expo) around the middle point.
@@ModelAV8RChannel thank you for the explanation, I’ve been wondering what that meant for some time. I’ve got an NX8 setup the way I like it. And a timber evo 1.5. I’m new to all this but trying to get all the advantages I can. Can you recommend expo settings for a beginner?
This or fms p18
Both really great airplanes. For me personally, this.
Holey Timber
Freaking awesome.
Oh look... another Timber 😂
Yep, and it will sell well just like the previous Timbers. To be fair, this one is quite different.
Brilliant walk thorough and off course expert flying. It looks like they have got all the good parts from other planes and put them into a orsum Timber. I wonder when it will hit the UK. 🫡
Thanks Chris! Yes sir...this one is super. Lol
If it is a 637 receiver with 6 servo ports, you should be able to use the higher "virtual channels" aux2 and above for ESC reversing, and AS3x functions without changing the receiver, I usually have reverse and AS3X functions starting at channel 9 on my eflite stuff with 6-8 channel receivers. Just need the ports to drive actual servos, 1 throttle, 2 Aileron, 3 elevator, 4 rudder, 5 left flap, 6 right flap, then motor reverse, AS3X mode and gain control/s panic button, etc on the virtual channels. Usually have to unlock the receiver to do that, but it should work, unless something changed.
Nope, nothing has changed...you are 100% correct. I was just texting with Gary Wright from HH. He educated me on this very thing. With the 637T and 637TA you have 3 extra "function" options for things like Mixes, AS3X/SAFE, and Reverse. So 6 ports, but 9 channels technically. We pinned a correcting comment.
I just was about to write this very thing, your virtual channels depend on transmitter not the receiver. So if people have a nx8 or nx10 for instance they have more channels than just the six on the receiver for thrust reverse, panic, as3x, etc.
Yep, we pinned a comment with the correction.