WrestleMania XIX: Grilling JR
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
- On this episode of Grilling JR, JR and Conrad cover what some have called the "cursed" WrestleMania...WrestleMania 19. JR discusses the on edge moments during Steve Austin's health scare hours before the event, what was actually planned for the main event, Brock Lesnar's infamous shooting star press, and so much more. This is an episode that uncovers some much behind a super stacked WrestleMania card.
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I actually rewatched Mania 19 the other day still one of my favorite Manias of all time. Great show overall!
Starts at 12:51
Thank you
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I hate these tedious intros,
Yawnarama!
@andrewdinatale8207 same here, I don't know why they do that ish
The Angle/Lesnar match was definitely worth being the main event and I dont think it going on after the Rock/Austin match was a mistake at all. Cant believe its been 20 years. Wrestlemania 19 and Summerslam 2002 will always be my 1A and 1B for greatest pay per views of all time
wrestlemania 17??
@@williamschaeffer409 honestly ive never felt about 17 the way other people do. Not sure why but it just doesnt do it for me
Thoughts on WM 18? SS 02 is damn near perfect in my eyes.
@@AntLox loved mania 18 but I doubt its in the conversation for anything other than the hogan rock clash and takers Street fight with the nature boy.
I live in Seattle. I went to wrestlemania 19 live. Nobody really cared about the Brock Lesnar vs Kurt angle match. It was kind of boring to be honest we was just waiting for the match to end so we could leave and not get stuck in traffic in downtown Seattle
Booker should have beat HHH for the belt.
Theres a reason Smackdown was the superior show from 2002 onward. Letting HHH beat everybody ultimately killed the business.
Exactly, Triple H would lose the belt but then win it back a month later. I think he wanted to replicate Ric Flair.
That was the reason I went to wrestlemania 19 but I knew Booker T. wasn’t going to beat Triple H that’s just how the WWE was back then
As much as I love the Shawn Michaels vs Chris Jericho match, to me the best match on the card was Hulk Hogan vs Mr. McMahon in the Street Fight. The match is very underrated and they told a damn good story. WrestleMania XIX is definitely a hidden gem because it doesn't get enough credit for how great it was.
I think the biggest reason for it being underrated & classic at the same time is it was during a serious transition from the crash style tv of the attitude era to a skilled wrestling base product. I think the older fans weren't ready to accept Angle/Benoit/Guerrero type performers as main events. I think too there was alot of wrestling fatigue. Fans were still burned out from the monday night wars. It's couple factors imo.
@@Fortune31Studios I agree. Kurt Angle, Chris Benoit, and Eddie Guerrero 3 of the absolute best to ever do it and they were wrestlers which to your point they weren't ready for smaller guys. But I will say that Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels set the bar very high in the 90s as smaller wrestlers that could be World Champions and have some of the greatest matches in WWE history.
@@Fortune31Studios Grasping for straws, lol.
The problem was simply that the vanilla midgets never looked like proper wrestlers. You teach your audience for multiple decades and generations that they should be heavyweight, muscular guys and then suddenly drop guys with 1/3 of the weight of Hogan into the ring. But it wasn't just that. Never forget that the most important thing about wrestling is connecting with the crowd, having charisma and being able to cut promos. Benoit sucked at all of that, it doesn't matter that he knew how to wrestle and make it look real, nobody ever gave a shit about that. Eddie is the lowest drawing WWE Champion of all time because he had nothing that intrigued the majority of the crowd. Those guys also never drew a dime in ECW or WCW either after all (Eddie made 1 dollar from merchandise sales in 1997 in WCW, lol)
You can't put cruiserweight wrestlers into the main event and think it would work. Most viewers will never take that serious, not when they think they could beat them up easily. Rey was the one anomaly, a small guy who drew, mostly because he was so small he fell into the David vs. Goliath role.
@@fraziergentry7301 Bret was the lowest drawing WWF Champion in History from 1992 until 2001 and still holds the distinction as main eventing the worst drawing WWF PPV of all time. If anything, he should've been a red flag to Vince that vanilla midgets simply never draw. HBK also did really bad until the DX catched on (and way better during his return to the ring, mostly thanks to nostalgia)
@@shadowangel2235 No that distinguish goes to Kevin Nash. (Diesel) or maybe The Ultimate Warrior. Shawn Michaels just happened to be WWE Champion during the rise of The nWo so I can see why that run didn't work. If Bret Hart was a low draw he wouldn't have been a 5 time WWE Champion. There's no way that could have happened.
Wrestlemania 19 is still my all time favorite. Card full of top guy matches and they all delivered bell to bell.
17 was better.
@@juicybear7696 17 is laughably overrated. Austin vs. Rock was very good, but not any greather than their WM XV match. Everything else? Opener was fine. Tag match sucked. Followed by your token "by the numbers" Hardcore match. Test vs Eddie was bad. Benoit vs. Angle was surprisingly weak, you'd expect them to drop a 5 star match without problems, but somehow, it was just meh. Ivory vs. Chyna was total garbage. The McMahon Street Fight was 2 non wrestlers trying and failing to go beyond a mediocre Raw level match. The TLC might be great if you love non-psychology, non-selling spot monkey bullshit, but even then you have to admit you already saw most of the spot numerous times before in the previous encounters between those teams. The Gimmick battle Royal of course was total garbage. Undertaker vs. Triple H was yet another match between those two with a obvious lack of chemistry (Taker never was able to work with Triple H or Austin, all the matches sucked)
WMXIX starts weak and gets worse. Hardy vs. Rey is surprisingly weak. The Triple Threat is complete garbage. Women match is trash. Tag match is weak. Shit Bizkit sucks. But the second half of the show is awesome. Shawn Michaels vs. Jericho is near perfect. Triple H vs. Booker is surprisingly good. Hogan vs. McMahon was way better than it had any right to be. Rock vs. Austin was the same old, but still very solid and Lesnar vs. Angle was amazing.
WM17 proves the influence of Meltzer. He creamed his pants over the show and subsequently every wanna reviewer, youtuber and mark does the same.
@@shadowangel2235 I don't read Meltzer. The best match on the card was the hardcore triple threat.
@@juicybear7696 Lol, even in the onfines of WWF's Softcore stuff, it was lame. Come on, you saw Foley vs. Taker and Foley vs. Triple H before. How was this boring mess any good compared to those matches? And it's a far cry from actual hardcore stuff FMW, ECW or even the old 70's territories like Big Time Wrestling (Detroit) or Memphis produced. Makes no sense to think that was the best match on the card when there were better wrestling matches featured.
@@shadowangel2235 not as good as AEW though.
Golddust was electrocuted by evolution with stage equipment thats why he did the studder was not just random
It was sold as a serious attempted murder angle, or at best a tragic accident at first. Within weeks, it was *that* ...🤣🤣🔌🔌🤯🤯
I must have been in the minority because the Angle/Lesnar match was the one I was looking forward to. Much more than Rock and Austin, although I always looking forward to that too.
This is my 2nd favorite WrestleMania of all time.
J.R. saying he used to worry about so much that he couldn't fix. That hits hard right no. Hope I can get there one day
I was there!
The highlight of my childhood.
The energy at Safeco was off the charts!
Lucky bastard😂
Big fan JR been watching you on TV for over 20+ years
Top 3 Wrestlemanias:
1. Wrestlemania X-7
2. Wrestlemania XIX
3. Wrestlemania 14
What about WM 20 ?
The time it takes triple to cover booker is longer than bryan vs sheamus
JR limping with the Bizkit.
Chimel should have used a Mickey Mouse voice when announcing them as the "WWE's favourite band in the WHOLE WORLD!" 🤣🤣🐭🐭
If Austin never wanted to make a big deal out of this being his retirement then why would it go on last? Always a title match last for me
Another amazing Grilling JR episode. This was one of my favorite Wrestlemanias. Great to hear backstories of these shows. Some things i was unaware of, such as Austin's hospitalization beforehand. Glad everything worked out at the end and he was able to preform.
would love to see Jim used as a coach like figure with some hoss-type kids like HOBBS or WARDLOW coming up in AEW. JR could be a career saver for them boys
Top 5 best WM’s ever!
3
10
17
18
19
10 wasn't all that imo.
Replace WM 10 with WM 21 and I would agree.
@@bdot187um Bret/Owen and Shawn/Razor, plus Bret's title win and the pop made it a great Mania of the two-and-three-quarter-hour era...
@@tomseville2345 it's a two match show, and that main event finish was so laughable this monster who couldn't be stopped for a year plus slipped on a banana peel to meet his demise yeah real nice!
The main event being the 2 new top guys (at the time) fighting over the WWE championship felt right to me, let the torch be passed from Rock/Stone Cold to them.
The world title should ALWAYS main event WrestleMania, and that’s that. Putting Austin/Rock in that main event would have been a huge mistake because of the sad ending for Austin. Not even Ric Flair’s last match was the main event at WrestleMania 24.
That’s really gay
What about mania 7,18,25,27 main events all were affected by being on last, sometimes its better to have the world title match second to last or mid way to the show if necessary.
I'm glad Rock and Austin didn't close the show, Brock vs Angle was the perfect ending.
Was taker taping his fists telling angle do the right thing
Angle , unlike hbk, could of kicked the shit out of the underfaker.
Lmao. In all seriousness tho, Angle would have dropped Taker and everybody else in that lockeroom at the time.
01:08:00 Hey, some of us bodybuilders also know how to process pain. Anyone debating this I direct you to exhibit A: THE GOAT Ronnie Coleman! I will 100% admit that most bodybuilders make crap wrestlers but I don't think it's a given. If we look at Warrior and Sting they both started out in bodybuilding and Sting went on to be a fantastic wrestler and Warrior was a great character but was technically lacking.
Arnold is the GOAT.
@@Rschr101 On stage? NOT EVER CLOSE.
You would think the backup for Angle was Cena based on what they were doing with Cena at the time. The go home Smackdown had Cena coming out and calling out Brock.
Iirc Cena was injured which is why he didn't wrestle on the ppv. I remember Brock doing an injury angle with Cena in the build up to Wrestlemania that would set up Cena vs Brock for Backlash
Just so it's out there, I'm calling Dustin interfering so his brother loses.... then goes on saying what makes you so special ? Why did you get all the shortcuts... when do I get my comeback....etc..
Thank you Gentlemen!
JR has lost a nice amount of weight. Good for him.
I'm from Maryland. Love that Jimmy's shout out lol
Lesnar did do a shooting star in a wwe ring. He did it in a dark match before raw right before he came up to the main roster. Which was a WWE ring. Also Conrad continues to show how clueless he is about pro wrestling and he's nothing but a mark. It's embarrassing
Jr much nicer to Connie !
The last match should always been the title match and should always feature the rumble winner. It really through me when they started booking the rumble winners earlier in the show. It took away from the Prestige of winning the rumble.
I am a Seattle native. I went to wrestlemania 19 live and unlike the East Coast fans, us here in the west, especially the Pacific Northwest. We don’t care about the hype of Stone Cold Steve Austin and The Rock because the match was already at WM 15 and WM 17 it was pretty much stale. I personally wanted to see the Booker T Vs Triple H match I was there live in the crowd. Nobody cared for the rock and Austin I am an actual wrestling fan and not a fan of sports entertainment. Nobody cared about their third match in Seattle the best matches at WM 19 was HBK vs Jericho Vince McMahon vs Hogan and Triple H vs Booker T… and I noticed when Jim Ross was talking about the triple H booker T world title match he kept referring to Booker T as Triple H. It shows you that Jim Ross is way too old for his job and he should retire and I’m not a fan of hearing about AEW. This is about WM 19. We don’t come on here to hear about AEW
wheres the taker show? cant find it in the listings, this was a while ago, figured it would be up by now unless it got taken down
Had lesnar not left so early in his career John cena doesn't become face of the company
True
I would have had Booker t lose this match as well. Simply because Brock Lesnar is obviously going to beat angle and that's more important than Booker t winning and I don't think both matches should have had a face winning win a bunch of faces one other matches as well. However, I definitely wouldn't have had triple h take 5 minutes to fucking pin him. But I would have given Booker t a rematch at the next pay-per-view and had him win against triple h and then have a one or two months rain before dropping it back to triple h. That play Booker t gets his win but at that time triple h was the top guy. And Booker t is the only one during what people call his reign of terror, that I think he should have put over. Kevin Nash was pretty much done Scott Steiner was hurt RVD wasn't ready. Kane didn't need it although I would have definitely given Kane a championship run when he unmasked. But look at all the top guys. Stone Cold Cena Hogan they all had long runs where they barely put anyone over so triple h didn't do anything that all of the top guys didn't do. But again I definitely would have had Booker when at the next pay-per-view and get his revenge and hold the title for a couple months before losing.
This is a good take. What a lot of marks lose sight of is that HHH wasn't hogging all the heat at this time, he was sharing it with Orton and Batista.. he was increasing their stock slowly but surely until people wanted to see them leave the nest. HHH needed wins to build tension up. The Evolution time period served it's purpose and accomplished the larger goal of getting new guys over.. people take for granted the fact that Orton and Batista were nobodies when that angle started.. and like you said, RVD has no one to blame but himself and whoever was writing his character.. he was over, he was over from day 1.. but his promos and "whatever bro" stoner character at that time did not fit in the main event w/ where HBK or HHH or Goldberg were at at that time, those were the guys with the belt and they were a tier above.. The Jerichos and RVDs of the world were in the mid-card at that time, but the roster was loaded, they both easily could have filled that role if needed, they just weren't the top guys.. A few years later when the ECW stuff came around RVD finally regained some life in his character and his promos sounded more authentic and he had some intensity behind him, but in 02' he was a cartoon character.
Hey how about AEW Double or Nothing 2019 as a future topic.
How is Conrad constantly ignoring the criticism for Paul?
"The hilarity of Tourette's". Thanks, JR....
I haven't watched this yet but I can all but guarantee JR is gonna say "I signed em"
He did. He *was* Vince's chief hire/fire guy for years. John Laurinaitis preferred the opposite side of the role...
Yea but he acts like he's the sole reason all these stars made it to wwe.
No, he's proud of the work he did. Never says he is the sole reason lol.@@tigerg8022
1:06:00
Damnit JR, no HE didn’t.
That wasn’t Chris anymore. That’s what you have to understand. It is not fair to vilify the man and say that you understand he had CTE.
Sadly the man you knew and famous wrestler the fans loved, died that night, and what was acting out was a different person who was completely and utterly Brain damaged.
No one is justifying what happened, it’s just not right to think he was that Chris anymore at that moment.
losing KOTR was a bit of a bummer, they could have done it as a split ppv with 1/2 from raw and 1/2 from smackdown and whoever won would get bragging rights, no pun intended for the show they would later do, but I didnt see getting rid of it entirely as a solution, esp when most of those 1 off shows were crap
Get rid of all them but keep Rumble, Mania, Summerslam and Survivor.
I'm not sure why Conrad even bothers asking JR what he thinks about AEW content.. He's just gonna jerk off the company and then lash out at fans for criticizing his employers. It doesn't matter how good or bad it really was, he responds with the same "It was amazing, the fans who criticize AEW don't understand the business"... Which is funny, because they love the Bloodline story, and last I checked they were doing better business than anything AEW has ever done.
Angry cunt, aren’t ya?
Ever considered that maybe Jim is just a good old fashioned wrestling fan who just flat out enjoys a solid wrestling product as well as some variety? You make it sound like AEW is trash most of the time and therefore Jim must be lying about it whenever he talks about it.
Many people watch and enjoy AEW’s product on a regular basis. Just because you don’t doesn’t mean other people are lying when they say they do.
When Jim talks about the haters he’s talking about people specifically like you: people that just go around talking shit about something because they prefer something different. Your time would be better spent focusing on and enjoying whatever it is you prefer rather than worrying about what other people like.
He’s just a cranky old man. I get he’s had his hardships, but everyone experiences loss and gets thrown curveballs in life. He’s such a shill. The constant fear mongering about Covid and now proclaiming everything AEW is wonderful nearly makes me puke
Sounds like you are projecting your own securities and failures lol. Get a grip dude. Seems like you just watch wwe and are angry about life in general.
Wwe is trash and the bloodline storyline sucks
AEW has been around 4 years. Wwe around for forever. And ur here trying to talk shit how wwe is more successful? Lmao u clearly don’t know how the business works
All of us wanted Cody to win at Mania.. because the simple truth is Roman isn't deserving of the title reign he has been given.
Is fucking MANSCAPED sponsoring *JR's* podcast some kind of rib on all of us?
JR avoided the WBF by a year...
Hiring a guy who was in jail for 10 years for armed robbery? What a hard, diligent worker he'll be! What a background!🤣🤣🤦♂🤦♂
Didn't know him Ross smoked
If I recall correctly he has a farm in Oklahoma he grows on now too
@@holagovito His daughter has a farm. He reaps the benefits...
Get a good nights rest Jim
Really?
@@handsomelee9568 bro looking like he need a good nights sleep
@@KuruptDJ he is in his 70s and sick lol that's what he is suppose to look like, do we really want to come on here and remind him lol
@@handsomelee9568 Good point, i apologise. love you jim
Was 4th row hard cam
Here we go w the OMG imagine 3 sexy women having a pillow fight...horrible. Conrad....plz.
Conwoke
Undertakers was not undefeated!!! He lost here!! Let me explain
The match was supposed to be a tag but due to Nathan Jones "not being able to wrestle" it was not announced by the ring announcer as a tag-team but instead as handicap!! So therefore when Nathan Jones came to the ring and hit Big show and a train, that would have been a disqualifications us giving undertaker his first loss!! Haha I did a tryout with TNA and afterwards went to dinner with a bunch of the wrestlers and Brian hebner was there and I made sure to tell him that he should have handed undertaker his first loss haha he got a kick out of that.
That being said
The undertaker match was WAY WAY better than it should have been. He looked GREAT. That match was really not bad at all.
To be fair Hogan is an azzhole so people assuming he's the bad guy is his fault for creating such a reputation
I'm sorry but healthy eating & lifestyle endorsements coming from a chain smoker in JR & a 400 lb host in Conrad lol
I know, you want to puke just looking at them. An advertisement for audio-only podcasts...
The title will goes to Cody it's is time and Roman taking a break from WWE after WrestleMania
Typical modern 2023 wrestling fan comment, oh no how dare we have hot women on the show for sex appeal , that mysterio match cud of done with a few more minutes instead😂😂
I don't believe Cody is going to win. WWE is going to continue to shove Roman reigns down our throats. Uso are going to win as well. WrestleMania don't seem like WrestleMania with Undertaker not being on the card !! Cena is definitely losing to help push Austin Theory !! Hopefully edge wins against Finn
It wasn’t goin on last fn bozo Jr. Hogan Vince was
vince & hogan should've closed the show!