The 40S&W looked like it dumped more energy it expanded more Which would translate into less penetration But better tissue damage and kinetic Shock temporary cavity damage
Magna Carta Sam Adam's The 40 has more impact energy which is more than likely to rupture internal organs from the shock the 45 is mostly a gut puncher both powerful rounds just different impact effects
When the bullet enters a body, energy is absorbed in that body. If the bullet exits the body, energy is lost. So I’m basically saying I really don’t want to be shot with either of these rounds.
It seems to me that the .40s&w did exactly what you need, especially home defense, with greater energy dispersal and less penetration(I may be biased..I carry 40s&w😀). Side note, I watched the 10mm in action vs large wild hogs, and it was purely devastating....it dropped those animals like nothing...very impressive. honorable mention, the 45acp is obviously a proven tried and true devastating round
@@OrangesmokeM7 really??? 155 gr 40 travels as fast as 10mm, faster than 115gr 9mm and penetrates 1.73 inches deeper in ballistic gel than 9mm and practically identical to 180 gr 10mm.....but in actuality it's all subjective, in his the comparison is done
Looks like the 10 was jacketed in a harder metal. The .40 and .45 looked to be using copper FMJs. I'd like to see these all using the same bullets. Fun video !
Paper plates don't simulate a body if that was it barely did Pentwate at all if that was a body I would have wanted the 45acp or my personal choice the 10mm
Well, drywall work is tedious. Especially if you just finished fitting the wall, put'n up wall paper & make it all look nice'n'fine . . . Is that why they invented the .40?
Hahahaaaa!!! I think so. S&W is looking out for us little guys. I can afford the gun, but I already spend more at Home Depot than I want to. Now that I think about it, maybe those 10mm rounds were invented by Home Depot because they know that you are going to have to patch, mud, sand, then paint that drywall after you shoot someone. Lord help you if he's inside in front of the front door, that's gonna cost at least $450 to replace that door ;)
HonestJohnny: Well, how about shootin' the guy somewhere really, really painful, but non lethal? Poke a finger or a broomstick in the wound, until he coughs up with the cash to fix the stuff that ended up gettin' broken during the comotion? 450 bucks is a lo-o-o-ot of money you could spend on something nice (or stuff you actually need). Or leave the bullet holes as a warning sign . . .
HonestJohnnyReviews then you have us guys who have wainscoting on all 3 floors of our craftsman home. That over penetration just got really really labor intensive and financially draining.
I knew the 10mm would clean up vs. those other cartridges, just didn't realize it would be THAT much more penetration than .45 hardball, which is already known for overpenetration.
But a .45 defence cartridge is less likely than 10mm to pass through people, thus its momentum is 100% transferred to the target, which often results in a knock-down.
45 is not an overpenetration cartridge it dumps its energy really quick, the 9mm and 10mm hold onto their energy better so they get better depth in terms of fmj hp are a different matter, its complicated shit 🤔😤
Don't think there was a surprise :) One could think of the 10mm as a .40 cal Magnum round. Of course a longer barrel would've helped the .40 a bit, but still - the 10mm is the power. Thanks! Fun to watch :)
Barrel was twice as long.... makes a bigger difference than people think.... Kentucky windage did one with clay... same gun... 10mm vs .40... they were closer than this test showed.
@Ken... Nope. The 10mm came first. 10x25mm to push a 200 gr at 1,200 fps was the design parameter. Too much recoil for women in the FBI, so they cut it down to 10x22mm pushing a 180 gr at 1,000 fps. This is the .40 S&W. The 10mm Mag is a 10x32mm that gets close to a .41 mag, except for all of the wasted space in the bottom of a semi-auto shell with the extractor base height, and large radius in the bottom to support out of the chamber. Close but no cigar to the .41 or .44 mags at .410 and .429 x 34mm straight wall rimmed shells.
Bullet deformation played a big role. The .40 mushroomed and dumped all its energy, the .45 also deformed and dumped energy early while the mighty 10 remained more intact. I'd like to see this redone using all the same brand and type of bullet.
@@johnryan6658 Think how much money someone could save on Self-Defense ammo with the .40! That last time I checked that shit is quadruple the cost of FMJ.
If you get a pack of Post-It-Notes, you could put a marker tab between packs of paper plates when you set up. Then you would only only have to count the plates to the closest marker, then add or subtract, depending on which side of the marker you are on.
@@WHOTEEWHO In truth, the 10 with the right projectile is the thing that nightmares are really made of. If a subject takes a hit with good 10MM round through the body trunk, the chances of survival are close to zero.
I would choose the 40 cal. It may have traveled the least, but it would have done the damaged cause it mushroomed the most and it dumped all of its energy on its target. That’s why I carry my Smith&Wesson M&P .40 Shield. Love, absolutely Love my M&P
I actually compared 10mm to .357 mag. Both 180gr hcfn, .357 barrel length of 6" and 10mm was 5.1" or something. 10 had a shorter barrel anyway. Velocity was almost identical
@@Yates235 Both powerful rounds, 10mm and .357. The .357 maxes out a little hotter and harder hitting than the 10mm. 10mm's great advantage over .357 mag is rounds in the magazine vs spins on the cylinder.
@@shangtsung1362 idk man. I had em both as hot as you can get and the difference in velocity for the same weight bullet was small enough for an inch of barrel length to make at least that difference 🤷🏻♂️ I don't think people understand just how hot you can actually make a 10mm
Blacktahoe DMan not necessarily, Underwood ammo makes a 10 mm round that’s 135 grains going 1600 FPS. That’s gonna dump all it’s energy fast and not over penetrate.
The .40 expanded more than the 10 or the .45. I think that may have skewed the test a bit. Cool though ! I knew the 10 would go farther. wasn't sure about the other two. I thought the .45 would go a bit farther than the .40 , but not that much further. Again , the bullet expansion decreased the number of plates the .40 penetrated.
I'll keep my glock 30s and 45ACP with +P ammo, plus 13 rounds with the glock 21 mag. 45 ammo easier to find, cheaper to shoot, and heavier bullet. Very few walk away if shot with a 45.That's my choice
Great video...The 10mm is a great hunting round. I don't think the barrel length makes that much different. The 45 is the superb home defense round. Your neighbor would thank you for not shooting them.
The .40 mushroomed in the plates. If you are looking for stopping power, then the .40 is the way to go outside of the .45. The .10mm went far, but kinda fast. You don’t want to hit someone and they keep coming. Hence, this is why many turn away from .9mm
I had the order right in my head, but really surprised by the disparity between the .45 and 10mm. I'd like to see all 3 done in a matching defensive round, like the Hornady Critical Defense or Underwood ammo.
10 mm make 45 acp lk a wimp 10 mm go Thur a level llla vest but not a 44 mag with Ventura extreme defense ammco or extreme penetrater would jell 220 over five ft
I loved the setup and the testing medium. The plates seem to be a really good way to compare penetration. Your setup with the cinder blocks is simple but very effective. I like simple inexpensive things that work well 👍. Great idea. However, as noted by others, comparing these three different barbell lengths makes the test scientifically very incorrect. The controlling variables (barrel length being one of them, the amount of gun powder in the cartridge and the weight of the bullet) were different. I understand that you worked with what you had. 👍💪
Not a fair test for the 40 cal. The P239 has only a 3.5" barrel competing with the much longer barrels of the 10 mm and the 45.. The 10mm should win and the 40 should be 2nd if a proper test was done.
I’ve always been hesitant to use a 10 for carry for this exact reason. . Great hunter but not so good in a situation with lots of possible unintended peripheral damage. The bad guys of course don’t care who or what gets hit but we are responsible for every single round,no matter where,what or who it touches. Great video,keep ‘‘em coming!
Adam Headrick 10mm is closer to 44mag than 357. It’s right neck and neck with the 41 mag on average, but some companies make 10mm that will rival if not surpass the average 44mag.
Appreciate the video, very interesting, but if you don’t use actual “10mm” ammo, your findings will be close to the same as the 40 caliber where normal loaded 10mm is around the same heat as 40 cal.
Not surprised at all. 1. The .40 had a severely shorter barrel, of course less power/penetration. 2. The 10 mm was always gonna penetrate more. 3. The 40 also was the only slug to mushroom, IDK why that was. For a true test of penetration ability, use same type/brand of ammo (all fmj or wadcutter) and same barrel length.
@@robertciaschini7625 I have a Glock 20 Gen 4 10mm, love the thing. I'm not the greatest shot with a handgun, but it delivers good results as long as I don't screw up.
I know some may use 10mm as bear protection. But the ONLY sane reason this can be justified is 17 round capacity. Otherwise a puny 10mm against bear just don't cut it....Just my opinion
@@shaunelijah455 The Glock G40 I have is 15+1. I also carry bear spray which would use first. Vigilance would be first line of defense, because a grizzly is faster than a race horse.
@@1pointcalvinistYou're right. I think those who haven't spent a lot of time in Grizz country simply do understand just how fast they are. And if you're in fairly dense timber those ol rascals may come at you from such a location or angle you may not see them until their damn near on top of you. In many instances you could not get off even 1/2 of your 15+1. I myself do not trust bear spray at all. I'll tell you why. There is an excellent video here on youtube about a fella who was attacked by grizzly TWICE in one day. All he had was bear spray. It did not help him much at all. Please search for it. It's a pretty darn good account.
Good job. The 10 mm doesn't surprise me one bit. They're a hoss. Understandably there are several complaints about bullet weight and barrel length. IMO it is much easier to put rifles on a more level playing field than it is differently calibers of handguns., JMO. I do know however that you try to use the most commonly bought ammos so that "out on the street" these may be pretty representative of real-world situations. Either way - thanks for your time, trouble & expense.
There’s a lots of videos of people trying to put holes through entire stacks of paper plates. I’m not exactly sure why they want holes in their paper plates, but if I was the owner of a paper plate company, I would start producing paper plates with holes already in them. People would buy them. Especially this guy.
So what I’m getting from this is a 10mm is overkill unless your hunting big game or packing for Bear. The 45 seems just right. The 40 was underwhelming as far as penetration goes.
It's a 180gr out of what looks like a three inch barrel. It's whats expected. Buffalo Bore makes a a 135 grain 40 s&w that travels at almost 1400 fps with around 500lbs of force out of a 4.5 inch barrel. Not much a fair test.
The 10mm and the .45 ACP both penetrated further, however, the .40SW had more expansion than either of the other two rounds. Can something be said for the stopping power of the .40 if there's more expansion of the bullet through less plates?
Before the first shot was fired, the first thing that popped into my mind is the 40 caliber gun had the shortest barrel. That gave me a Feeling that it was going to have the least penetration. I think to be fair the same length barrel, the same style bullet and if at all possible the same brand of gun. To make the test accurate. Penetration definitely affected by the shape of the bullet. Round nose, flat nose and so on. Lastly do I want that much penetration? Depends on what I'm shooting and where.
The .40 and 10mm are high pressure rounds, a more comparable round in the .45 would be 180 / 185 gr ammunition with a comparable pressure loading / muzzle velocity. BTW Just for info......should SHTF there will be more 9mm and .45 ACP ammo around....just like 5.56 and 7.69 ammo for long guns.
Before this test I had considered a .45 for home defense. Now I will look at 10mm! I just hope the intruder is wearing less than 6" of paper plate body armor!
I have both a 10mm and a .45, for home defense I prefer the .45 because short fat and slow won't overpenetrate. 10mm is a great round to hunt with because it hits up in the range of magnum rounds. If you want a nice wound cavity 10mm will make a nice one though.
I have sturdy stick for home defense. So far, I only used it on the battlefield (I used to be a medieval re-enactor, and a stick is a lot cheaper than a sword).
Thomas Raahauge Nice sticks can do plenty. I have a copy of Charlemagne's sword but I never really considered it for that use. Now a Louisville Slugger wrapped in barbed wire....Lucille!
Grandmas cole slaw and bar-b-q starts leaking through one of those plates at the family reunion , you’re in trouble buddy .Next time use Chinets Good test .
I'm glad you used the 10 mm in a 1911 plat form. The 10 mm in a 1911 is one of my favorates. The Colt Delta Elite was my first hand gun and still is my favorate handgun. Finally had to retire it (safe queen) and bought the Rock Island Enhance in 10 mm because after 500 plus rds the front sight (pinned on) on my Delta would always pop out and hit me right in my forehead. LoL
Frank The Rabbit Ed Brown beveled magwell and extended high-ride beaver tail. 1.25lb adjustable Videki trigger 😉👍, full compensated match barrel, bushings, recoil springs regularly changed, polished and matched frame and slide rails, competition extractor, titanium firing pin, extended mag and slide releases, competition bumpers on mags Bianchi hybrid rosewood/rubber finger grooved wraparound grips, etc etc etc $$$$ She'll double tap CONNECTING HOLES in an experienced hand! ❤️👍
Frank The Rabbit the Colt is a treasure for sure....but I doubt you'll hurt her with just about any commercially available "normal" ammo. Lord knows, I've reloaded and fired some *SERIOUS HEAT* in mine (almost ruptured and deprimed cases came out and flew really far away!💥😮). One upgrade that Colt made to help the Delta platform handle the increased pressure and increased slide speed of the 10mm was a stronger spring AND they removed to top of the circular cut in the frame that the slide release passes through.....this allows for frame flex necessary to reduce (eliminate?) the cracking of the frames that was the initial problem with some (during excessive training sessions with the secret service for which it was developed and adopted by). Look it up, and check yours with the slide removed....the hole should look more like a "u" or horseshoe rather than a circle. 😉✌️
My next purchase is going to be the XDM OSP 10MM with the threaded barrel. From what I've been seeing it seems to be a great gun at a good price. Awesome capacity and power
The dramatic difference in bullet expansion explains the performance of the .40. Every test I’ve seen confirms the performance of the 10mm, but the question of stopping power is a different question. This test shows bullet selection and intended use is as important as caliber.
I subscribed to this channel after watching this video. I like the basic common sense approach to graphically showing the effects of different rounds. Or maybe this video just made me appreciate my .45 ACP more.
Yeah that was a defense round, the whole point of those is to not over penetrate. Kind of questioning this test a bit. Plus the barrel lengths weren't equal. Too many variables.
WhoTeeWho: speaking as a near illiterate when it comes to ammunition: if the .40 is not a defensive round, is it then an offensive round? And I don't even know if "offensive round" is even the proper term.
@@WHOTEEWHO interesting how it mushroomed and split symmetrical then, wonder how a different manufacturer fmj would run. Still very interesting test. 10mm looks like a beast of a round, I'd get a 10mm next if the ammo wasn't so expensive, thinking 45acp will be my next purchase.
A bit of info, the .45 is a low pressure case and can be pumped up, i have hot loads with a 180 gr Barnes copper bullets. In a G21 with an extended barrel.
The .40 came apart at the seams - you need to validate with bullet designs that do not separate jacket/core. Also, the .45 design mushroomed causing more resistance to the plate medium, but would have delivered more terminal ft/lbs. energy to the bad guy target. Given a fair test of bullet sectional density - construction/loads - the 10 would have penetrated deeper - hands down. Entertaining demo & video!
Barrel length will affect the level of penetration. Even just 3/4 off an inch. With equal length barrels the .40 and .45 would be closer (with different ammo the .40 will sometimes surpass). The 10 would still win.
at this point i think you get into the dynamics of the metal used from each manufacturer. softer/denser etc. the 10mm seems to be more stable. it kept its streamlined shape. the .40 was a softer ball. i would imagine that personal protection would lean toward softer lead, whereas combat would prefer denser lead. no matter what weapon/caliber you shoot.
Eric Laney : True, I use 200g Double Tap, Bear Tooth for hogs out of my Glock 20 down here in Florida. They work good when I don't feel like carrying a rifle and just take the G20. That front shoulder on pigs has a real tough thick gristle layer.
I use hornady xtp for deer and the 10mm rocks them out to 75 yards I've only ever shot 2 and hit both where the neck meets the head and both dropped in thier tracks , honestly I would feel confident hitting them anywhere in the lung , heart , neck etc with full power loads so I could definitely see it dropping pigs without any hesitation
Love the test but have one problem with it. The 45 was standard FMJ while the others had a cone shape. The cone shape will aid in penetrating. Although the 10 should be number one since the velocity should be around 1300 fps, and it is smaller. Great test and thanks for the info
For those surprized.... look at the fps difference as well. The 10mm did exactly as expected since it's closest ballistic tested ammo is .357mag. Though what I would like to see is the same test with the 10mm in both fmj, and jhp... Same bullet weight.
The one that mushroomed the least travelled the farthest, regardless of bullet weight. Maybe another test using bullets that aren't made to deform would show different results.
Use the same type of bullets also. The .45 acp has a fmj round, while the other two are fmj flat nose. They interact differently. The fmj has less surface area, thus it interacts with the target differently.
Full metal jacket is meant to travel through an object the jacketed hallow points are meant to open up once it hits its target. That’s why self defense ammunition is a hallow point usually, but Armor piercing rounds also have full metal jackets.
JonD the smaller the ammo the more rounds u can get of effectively , especially the 9m 17 rounds flush, but anything farther then 30 yards will favor the bigger round
That 10mm is a beast. I may need to look into getting one. :-) That Sig P239 would be good for concealment. I heard that they have a nice trigger; DASA.
Same here, tried quite a few 10mm platforms, the Glock 40-10mm outperforms them all, that long slide and barrel really do maximize the velocity and accuracy. And on top of it all, it's a Glock!
@@antouab221 then you haven't tried them all, in fact I would say you tried very few. It's ok to be a fan boy but in no way can you say the G 40 it our performed them all.
@@DannyHerron you really need to read my comment again, maybe you will see the light and understand that I never said that I tried all 10mm platforms out there but tried "quite a few" and out of those "quite a few" Glock-40 outperformed them when it comes to price, reliability, ease of obtaining accessories, recoil, accuracy at longer ranges, etc. Now, it only takes to take a deep breath and control your anger and negative emotions and things would sit much better with people's comments. Such quick impulse individuals are exactly what's wrong with this world...
Looking at ballistic gel tests done by others between the 180 grain 40cal and 10mm, attest to their blatant penetration differences. The 45cal did better than I was expecting, but 230 grains of lead tends to go deep enough to out perform the 180 grain 40 cal.
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* gets a attacked w/ a .40
Laughs behind my 4 inches of paper plate body armour
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LMFAO! 🤣🤣🤣
This should have a ton more likes. 👍
dave s. Also doubles as trauma pads 😂
@mikeaxe1 nah you’re good, chances are he vapes
Hahaha hahahahahahahaha
The 40S&W looked like it dumped more energy it expanded more Which would translate into less penetration But better tissue damage and kinetic Shock temporary cavity damage
Magna Carta Sam Adam's The 40 has more impact energy which is more than likely to rupture internal organs from the shock the 45 is mostly a gut puncher both powerful rounds just different impact effects
Joshua Gore the 10 mm has the most impact that’s why it goes further duh
Not traveling 2200 means no rupture of elastic organ/tissue.
When the bullet enters a body, energy is absorbed in that body. If the bullet exits the body, energy is lost. So I’m basically saying I really don’t want to be shot with either of these rounds.
Cope
It seems to me that the .40s&w did exactly what you need, especially home defense, with greater energy dispersal and less penetration(I may be biased..I carry 40s&w😀).
Side note, I watched the 10mm in action vs large wild hogs, and it was purely devastating....it dropped those animals like nothing...very impressive.
honorable mention, the 45acp is obviously a proven tried and true devastating round
Why have a .40 if you can have a .45?
Can't do a real comparison shooting the 40 from a 3" barrel compared to 2 full size barrels🙄
The Poor Conservative I was thinking that to
You could use a 20” barrel and 40 would still take 3rd place
@@OrangesmokeM7 really??? 155 gr 40 travels as fast as 10mm, faster than 115gr 9mm and penetrates 1.73 inches deeper in ballistic gel than 9mm and practically identical to 180 gr 10mm.....but in actuality it's all subjective, in his the comparison is done
The Poor Conservative
I totally posted that just to get a rise out of people 🤣
@@OrangesmokeM7 WINNER!!!!
On your next video can u say “I sell propane and propane accessories”
Dangit bobby
Brandon that’s funny as hell!!
I was about to say “dang it Bobby” in a comment too then I saw this. 😂
I thought the EXACT same thing!!
Brandon or “what in tha hell”
The .40 was shot out of a much shorter barrel though. If your gonna do a legit test, shoot them all out of the same length barrel. Pretty cool though.
Wayne Badsaw finally someone that knows what’s going on. 👌🏻
And the same type of ammo. Could have shot the .40 through the 1911.
Not a fair test for the .40 with a shorter barrel pistol.
Agreed. The longer 1911 barrel generates greater muzzle velocity.
My thoughts as well. My 40 S&W has a 4" barrel.
Wife says: "Sweetheart, did you see those plates I bought for kid's birthday party?"
I didnt see a thing!😆😆😆
Wife left me for the next door neighbor.
Hahahah,, ur husband using it as test target 😆😆😆
Keep in mind the 40 had the the shortest barrel. A longer barrel would’ve rendered more penetration
Exactly
A longer barrel will always render more penetration!
That’s what she said
@@tcplee lol I set myself up to that one
By a couple plates, half inch is like 30 fps
Looks like the 10 was jacketed in a harder metal. The .40 and .45 looked to be using copper FMJs. I'd like to see these all using the same bullets.
Fun video !
I thought the .40 S&W did an excellent job of dumping its energy just inside the body.
Paper plates don't simulate a body if that was it barely did Pentwate at all if that was a body I would have wanted the 45acp or my personal choice the 10mm
40isokbut45isbetter
45moreknockpower
“40sw” the weight of a 45acp with the speed of the 9mm
10mm is just a longer .40 s&w
I like the .40, because, like Bill Burr says, "I just want to shoot the guy, I don't want to have to do a bunch of drywall work..." Hahahaaa.
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Well, drywall work is tedious. Especially if you just finished fitting the wall, put'n up wall paper & make it all look nice'n'fine . . . Is that why they invented the .40?
Hahahaaaa!!! I think so. S&W is looking out for us little guys. I can afford the gun, but I already spend more at Home Depot than I want to. Now that I think about it, maybe those 10mm rounds were invented by Home Depot because they know that you are going to have to patch, mud, sand, then paint that drywall after you shoot someone. Lord help you if he's inside in front of the front door, that's gonna cost at least $450 to replace that door ;)
HonestJohnny: Well, how about shootin' the guy somewhere really, really painful, but non lethal? Poke a finger or a broomstick in the wound, until he coughs up with the cash to fix the stuff that ended up gettin' broken during the comotion? 450 bucks is a lo-o-o-ot of money you could spend on something nice (or stuff you actually need).
Or leave the bullet holes as a warning sign . . .
HonestJohnnyReviews then you have us guys who have wainscoting on all 3 floors of our craftsman home. That over penetration just got really really labor intensive and financially draining.
I knew the 10mm would clean up vs. those other cartridges, just didn't realize it would be THAT much more penetration than .45 hardball, which is already known for overpenetration.
But a .45 defence cartridge is less likely than 10mm to pass through people, thus its momentum is 100% transferred to the target, which often results in a knock-down.
@@mobydick3895 good observation!
45 is not an overpenetration cartridge it dumps its energy really quick, the 9mm and 10mm hold onto their energy better so they get better depth in terms of fmj hp are a different matter, its complicated shit 🤔😤
Don't think there was a surprise :) One could think of the 10mm as a .40 cal Magnum round. Of course a longer barrel would've helped the .40 a bit, but still - the 10mm is the power. Thanks! Fun to watch :)
Barrel was twice as long.... makes a bigger difference than people think.... Kentucky windage did one with clay... same gun... 10mm vs .40... they were closer than this test showed.
Sorry, Kentucky Ballistics.... for some reason YT wouldn't let me edit my comment.... weird
@Ken... Nope. The 10mm came first. 10x25mm to push a 200 gr at 1,200 fps was the design parameter. Too much recoil for women in the FBI, so they cut it down to 10x22mm pushing a 180 gr at 1,000 fps. This is the .40 S&W. The 10mm Mag is a 10x32mm that gets close to a .41 mag, except for all of the wasted space in the bottom of a semi-auto shell with the extractor base height, and large radius in the bottom to support out of the chamber. Close but no cigar to the .41 or .44 mags at .410 and .429 x 34mm straight wall rimmed shells.
No, a 10mm is a 10mm. The .40 is a "10mm Special". You could shoot the .40 out of the RIA safely though, just as you can shoot .38spl from a .357.
.40 S&W = 10mm Short
Bullet deformation played a big role. The .40 mushroomed and dumped all its energy, the .45 also deformed and dumped energy early while the mighty 10 remained more intact. I'd like to see this redone using all the same brand and type of bullet.
and include a 9mm since it's the miracle round according to 9-er fans.
Perfect expansion on that .40 S&W.
@@johnryan6658 Think how much money someone could save on Self-Defense ammo with the .40! That last time I checked that shit is quadruple the cost of FMJ.
If you get a pack of Post-It-Notes, you could put a marker tab between packs of paper plates when you set up. Then you would only only have to count the plates to the closest marker, then add or subtract, depending on which side of the marker you are on.
The lesson I learned. I dont wanna get shot by any. Even the 40 went through a hell of a lot more than the thickness of my skin.😂😂
Yup!
@@WHOTEEWHO In truth, the 10 with the right projectile is the thing that nightmares are really made of. If a subject takes a hit with good 10MM round through the body trunk, the chances of survival are close to zero.
I'm not a fan of the .40 cal but in all fairness I'm wondering if the shorter barrel on the .40 hurt it's results.
I would choose the 40 cal. It may have traveled the least, but it would have done the damaged cause it mushroomed the most and it dumped all of its energy on its target. That’s why I carry my Smith&Wesson M&P .40 Shield. Love, absolutely Love my M&P
The 40 Cal is the little brother of the 10 mm, it's still got the stopping power you need for self defense the 40 does. Just use Hot loads for the 40.
You are exactly right I agree totally with you
20 mm makes a 40 look lk a wimp it go Thur a llla vest with Ventura extreme defense ammco 140. 125. Jell five ft seen vidios
10mm I ment
Extreme penetrater would when Thur them in 10 mm Ventura extreme defense wount made a hell deff gos Thur level llla seen it
10mm is more of a magnum like comparing a 38 to 357.
I actually compared 10mm to .357 mag. Both 180gr hcfn, .357 barrel length of 6" and 10mm was 5.1" or something. 10 had a shorter barrel anyway. Velocity was almost identical
@@Yates235 Both powerful rounds, 10mm and .357. The .357 maxes out a little hotter and harder hitting than the 10mm. 10mm's great advantage over .357 mag is rounds in the magazine vs spins on the cylinder.
@@shangtsung1362 idk man. I had em both as hot as you can get and the difference in velocity for the same weight bullet was small enough for an inch of barrel length to make at least that difference 🤷🏻♂️ I don't think people understand just how hot you can actually make a 10mm
@@Yates235 real 10mm Auto, the original Norma cartridge, was an asskicker ... i think underwood's stuff is pretty powerful
Eh, no. Wtong.. A max loaded 10mm outpowers a max loaded .357.
For the price you're damn right the 10 mm better be powerful lol
Amen
You get 10mm same or cheaper than 45
@@pm-np1mm Not the ammo!!!
@@Matt-zw2on all 10mm’s can shoot .40
The grain of the bullet makes all the difference, the 10mm go’s faster, the 40 cal slower, the .45 cal slow and heavy, the 10mm will over penetrate...
Blacktahoe DMan not necessarily, Underwood ammo makes a 10 mm round that’s 135 grains going 1600 FPS. That’s gonna dump all it’s energy fast and not over penetrate.
40 is not slow my guy u know nothing bout guns
Walter Head it’s slower than the 10mm bro. You know nothing about reading.
@@vaughngordon1489 nigga wtf u think a 40 is idiot it's basically 10mm shorter shell less gun powder no shit
Awesome video as allways!! And thanks for the shout out,you rock!!!!
The .40 expanded more than the 10 or the .45. I think that may have skewed the test a bit. Cool though ! I knew the 10 would go farther. wasn't sure about the other two. I thought the .45 would go a bit farther than the .40 , but not that much further. Again , the bullet expansion decreased the number of plates the .40 penetrated.
The 10mm performed like a FMJ which is why it went deepest. The 40 S&W bullet expanded and dumped its energy.
the 40 smooshed too fast, that's y it didn't go far, softer than other 2
Yes.
The bullet type does that. Mussle velocity averages around 1250 ft per second for a 40 cal.
Depends on the bullet chosen.
I'll keep my glock 30s and 45ACP with +P ammo, plus 13 rounds with the glock 21 mag. 45 ammo easier to find, cheaper to shoot, and heavier bullet. Very few walk away if shot with a 45.That's my choice
And now In 2021 I can’t find any .45 acp sadly just 10mm lol
Great video...The 10mm is a great hunting round. I don't think the barrel length makes that much different. The 45 is the superb home defense round. Your neighbor would thank you for not shooting them.
The .40 mushroomed in the plates. If you are looking for stopping power, then the .40 is the way to go outside of the .45. The .10mm went far, but kinda fast. You don’t want to hit someone and they keep coming. Hence, this is why many turn away from .9mm
I’m a big 10mm fan!! I have the one you shot on the test and the 20 and 29 Glock models. Interesting test. Well done
Love the 10mm!
I had the order right in my head, but really surprised by the disparity between the .45 and 10mm. I'd like to see all 3 done in a matching defensive round, like the Hornady Critical Defense or Underwood ammo.
The 10 is evil!
10 mm make 45 acp lk a wimp 10 mm go Thur a level llla vest but not a 44 mag with Ventura extreme defense ammco or extreme penetrater would jell 220 over five ft
I loved the setup and the testing medium. The plates seem to be a really good way to compare penetration. Your setup with the cinder blocks is simple but very effective. I like simple inexpensive things that work well 👍. Great idea. However, as noted by others, comparing these three different barbell lengths makes the test scientifically very incorrect. The controlling variables (barrel length being one of them, the amount of gun powder in the cartridge and the weight of the bullet) were different. I understand that you worked with what you had. 👍💪
Not a fair test for the 40 cal. The P239 has only a 3.5" barrel competing with the much longer barrels of the 10 mm and the 45.. The 10mm should win and the 40 should be 2nd if a proper test was done.
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Great video thank you ! The 10mm has the longest casing. But the old 45 did well
I’ve always been hesitant to use a 10 for carry for this exact reason. . Great hunter but not so good in a situation with lots of possible unintended peripheral damage. The bad guys of course don’t care who or what gets hit but we are responsible for every single round,no matter where,what or who it touches. Great video,keep ‘‘em coming!
I have seen videos of different ammo tests that showed the 45 had deeper penetration than the 10mm did using the same ammo.
Great video I really like the 10mm in a future video how about 10mm vs 357 mag
Adam Headrick 10mm is closer to 44mag than 357. It’s right neck and neck with the 41 mag on average, but some companies make 10mm that will rival if not surpass the average 44mag.
@@PlhPatrick 357 and 10mm are very close in power. 44mag is WAY more power than 10mm.
@@PlhPatrick A 10mm isn't in the same zip code as a .44 Mag. It's actually marginally down on muzzle energy to a .357 mag.
Also adding a .460R would be nice.
460....nice and expensive 🤣🤣🤣
I'll take the 40 that mushroomed out for better stopping power. Don't need to hit somebody 3 apartments over.
Bullet selection is critical but 10mm is far superior.
Bob Wies
I have to agree but yet again I shoot best with my .40 so I love it lol
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You don't know much about bullets. ua-cam.com/video/nycYxb-zNwc/v-deo.html
Big Bob stopping power 😂🤦♂️
Maybe you should use the same barrel lengths
Just using what I had. Thanks for watching Mike!
The 40 would have done better with same barrel length .... But 10mm is King anyway haha
@Ed Carrithers "Should have". Fixed.
Are you coulda shot the 40 out of the 10 mm gun almost the same bullet the 40 is just a little shorter
Appreciate the video, very interesting, but if you don’t use actual “10mm” ammo, your findings will be close to the same as the 40 caliber where normal loaded 10mm is around the same heat as 40 cal.
Not surprised at all.
1. The .40 had a severely shorter barrel, of course less power/penetration.
2. The 10 mm was always gonna penetrate more.
3. The 40 also was the only slug to mushroom, IDK why that was.
For a true test of penetration ability, use same type/brand of ammo (all fmj or wadcutter) and same barrel length.
I don’t have a 40 or a 45.
But I do have 10mm.😁
Joe Nguyen-Vlog 9mm for the hoods, 10mm for the woods!😄
How do you like it? Accurate?
@@robertciaschini7625 I have a Glock 20 Gen 4 10mm, love the thing. I'm not the greatest shot with a handgun, but it delivers good results as long as I don't screw up.
10 mm for me
@@robertciaschini7625 i used to shoot treetops off in the middle of the deep woods with a gen 2 glock 20, very accurate
I don’t own a 45 and don’t really plan to. 10mm for hiking in bear country, and 40 for home defense.
I know some may use 10mm as bear protection. But the ONLY sane reason this can be justified is 17 round capacity. Otherwise a puny 10mm against bear just don't cut it....Just my opinion
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The Glock G40 I have is 15+1. I also carry bear spray which would use first. Vigilance would be first line of defense, because a grizzly is faster than a race horse.
@@1pointcalvinistYou're right. I think those who haven't spent a lot of time in Grizz country simply do understand just how fast they are. And if you're in fairly dense timber those ol rascals may come at you from such a location or angle you may not see them until their damn near on top of you. In many instances you could not get off even 1/2 of your 15+1. I myself do not trust bear spray at all. I'll tell you why. There is an excellent video here on youtube about a fella who was attacked by grizzly TWICE in one day. All he had was bear spray. It did not help him much at all. Please search for it. It's a pretty darn good account.
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Yeah I know you couldn’t rely on bear spray. At least you could show Game and Fish you tried.
@@1pointcalvinist ha ha Great comment...
Use the same grain bullets and pistols with the same barrel size next time!
Good job. The 10 mm doesn't surprise me one bit. They're a hoss. Understandably there are several complaints about bullet weight and barrel length. IMO it is much easier to put rifles on a more level playing field than it is differently calibers of handguns., JMO.
I do know however that you try to use the most commonly bought ammos so that "out on the street" these may be pretty representative of real-world situations. Either way - thanks for your time, trouble & expense.
There’s a lots of videos of people trying to put holes through entire stacks of paper plates.
I’m not exactly sure why they want holes in their paper plates, but if I was the owner of a paper plate company, I would start producing paper plates with holes already in them.
People would buy them. Especially this guy.
This just made my decision easier on getting a 10mm!!
Thanks for watching!
I have both!
So what I’m getting from this is a 10mm is overkill unless your hunting big game or packing for Bear. The 45 seems just right. The 40 was underwhelming as far as penetration goes.
It's a 180gr out of what looks like a three inch barrel. It's whats expected. Buffalo Bore makes a a 135 grain 40 s&w that travels at almost 1400 fps with around 500lbs of force out of a 4.5 inch barrel. Not much a fair test.
You nailed it...
What if you are up against a bear-sized human?
@@curseofthegreat prob need a 12 gauge then.
He pulled the 10mm from the back of the stack and the others from the front. Yet he claimed those were the amount of the plates required.
The 10mm and the .45 ACP both penetrated further, however, the .40SW had more expansion than either of the other two rounds. Can something be said for the stopping power of the .40 if there's more expansion of the bullet through less plates?
Before the first shot was fired, the first thing that popped into my mind is the 40 caliber gun had the shortest barrel. That gave me a Feeling that it was going to have the least penetration. I think to be fair the same length barrel, the same style bullet and if at all possible the same brand of gun. To make the test accurate. Penetration definitely affected by the shape of the bullet. Round nose, flat nose and so on. Lastly do I want that much penetration? Depends on what I'm shooting and where.
the 10mm and the 45acp have the same amount of powder pushing the round. the rounds size and point is what makes it have deeper penetraition.
The .40 and 10mm are high pressure rounds, a more comparable round in the .45 would be 180 / 185 gr ammunition with a comparable pressure loading / muzzle velocity. BTW Just for info......should SHTF there will be more 9mm and .45 ACP ammo around....just like 5.56 and 7.69 ammo for long guns.
EXACTLY!
Before this test I had considered a .45 for home defense. Now I will look at 10mm! I just hope the intruder is wearing less than 6" of paper plate body armor!
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I have both a 10mm and a .45, for home defense I prefer the .45 because short fat and slow won't overpenetrate. 10mm is a great round to hunt with because it hits up in the range of magnum rounds. If you want a nice wound cavity 10mm will make a nice one though.
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Yeah, I would like a nice wound cavity if I have to shoot, I prefer no later repercussions. Thanks for the information. Great channel!
I have sturdy stick for home defense. So far, I only used it on the battlefield (I used to be a medieval re-enactor, and a stick is a lot cheaper than a sword).
Thomas Raahauge
Nice sticks can do plenty. I have a copy of Charlemagne's sword but I never really considered it for that use. Now a Louisville Slugger wrapped in barbed wire....Lucille!
Grandmas cole slaw and bar-b-q starts leaking through one of those plates at the family reunion , you’re in trouble buddy .Next time use Chinets Good test .
I love the energy transfer of the .40. It wouldn't overpenetrate , and transfers lots of hydrostatic shock.
I love all three rounds. Great vid! 👍
Thanks for watching Robert!
I'm glad you used the 10 mm in a 1911 plat form. The 10 mm in a 1911 is one of my favorates. The Colt Delta Elite was my first hand gun and still is my favorate handgun. Finally had to retire it (safe queen) and bought the Rock Island Enhance in 10 mm because after 500 plus rds the front sight (pinned on) on my Delta would always pop out and hit me right in my forehead. LoL
One of my favirites too!!!
Still have my race gun built out of a Delta Elite....perfection!
Frank The Rabbit Ed Brown beveled magwell and extended high-ride beaver tail. 1.25lb adjustable Videki trigger 😉👍, full compensated match barrel, bushings, recoil springs regularly changed, polished and matched frame and slide rails, competition extractor, titanium firing pin, extended mag and slide releases, competition bumpers on mags Bianchi hybrid rosewood/rubber finger grooved wraparound grips, etc etc etc $$$$ She'll double tap CONNECTING HOLES in an experienced hand! ❤️👍
Frank The Rabbit the Colt is a treasure for sure....but I doubt you'll hurt her with just about any commercially available "normal" ammo. Lord knows, I've reloaded and fired some *SERIOUS HEAT* in mine (almost ruptured and deprimed cases came out and flew really far away!💥😮).
One upgrade that Colt made to help the Delta platform handle the increased pressure and increased slide speed of the 10mm was a stronger spring AND they removed to top of the circular cut in the frame that the slide release passes through.....this allows for frame flex necessary to reduce (eliminate?) the cracking of the frames that was the initial problem with some (during excessive training sessions with the secret service for which it was developed and adopted by). Look it up, and check yours with the slide removed....the hole should look more like a "u" or horseshoe rather than a circle. 😉✌️
Nick Phongsa yes
Cool video, I think we need to use the same ammo, hollow points so we're talking real world penetration
This is why I only carry my XDM 10mm in the woods for them Predators.
My next purchase is going to be the XDM OSP 10MM with the threaded barrel. From what I've been seeing it seems to be a great gun at a good price. Awesome capacity and power
I got a 10mm Highpoint carbine, cheap but damn I love shooting that gun!
The dramatic difference in bullet expansion explains the performance of the .40. Every test I’ve seen confirms the performance of the 10mm, but the question of stopping power is a different question. This test shows bullet selection and intended use is as important as caliber.
I subscribed to this channel after watching this video. I like the basic common sense approach to graphically showing the effects of different rounds. Or maybe this video just made me appreciate my .45 ACP more.
Appreciate you watching James
Ooooh, those three bullets look shiny!
And the .40 was mushroomed, so is that why it didn't go through so many plates?
Yeah that was a defense round, the whole point of those is to not over penetrate. Kind of questioning this test a bit. Plus the barrel lengths weren't equal. Too many variables.
40 isnt a defense round
Kyle B: It's not a scientific test. WhoTeeWho does it for the #LOL - and that is precisely why I'm here :-D
WhoTeeWho: speaking as a near illiterate when it comes to ammunition: if the .40 is not a defensive round, is it then an offensive round? And I don't even know if "offensive round" is even the proper term.
@@WHOTEEWHO interesting how it mushroomed and split symmetrical then, wonder how a different manufacturer fmj would run. Still very interesting test. 10mm looks like a beast of a round, I'd get a 10mm next if the ammo wasn't so expensive, thinking 45acp will be my next purchase.
Please man, please would you just take a second in one of your videos to say “god dammit bobby” and “I tell you hwat”
Love the .10mm
Me too!
A bit of info, the .45 is a low pressure case and can be pumped up, i have hot loads with a 180 gr Barnes copper bullets. In a G21 with an extended barrel.
I've reloaded .45acp since '73 and have pumped out 185 grain hollow points over 1100 f.p.s. It makes the Colt a bit snappy.
The .40 came apart at the seams - you need to validate with bullet designs that do not separate jacket/core. Also, the .45 design mushroomed causing more resistance to the plate medium, but would have delivered more terminal ft/lbs. energy to the bad guy target. Given a fair test of bullet sectional density - construction/loads - the 10 would have penetrated deeper - hands down. Entertaining demo & video!
Damn, I would love to see what a 10mm carbine can do
did you do 9mm vs.10mm with the paperplates,I cant seem to find it
Not yet
@Jeremy Honeycutt u are acrually wrong a 9 mm is the fastest traveling bullet as far as 10mm 40cal and 45
Barrel length will affect the level of penetration. Even just 3/4 off an inch. With equal length barrels the .40 and .45 would be closer (with different ammo the .40 will sometimes surpass). The 10 would still win.
at this point i think you get into the dynamics of the metal used from each manufacturer. softer/denser etc. the 10mm seems to be more stable. it kept its streamlined shape. the .40 was a softer ball. i would imagine that personal protection would lean toward softer lead, whereas combat would prefer denser lead. no matter what weapon/caliber you shoot.
When all things are equal it will be 10mm, 40, 45. The barrel length is what held the 40 back, it's velocity was reduced.
I Love my Glock 20 10mm Power Gun😍💪
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The 10 mm had a harded casted bullet than the 40 and the 45
None of the bullets were cast, they were all jacketed.
When you need extra drain holes in your dumpster........
G 40...... ✔
I like your filming improvements man. Great stuff. Always love seeing .45 vids my favorite calibur, because murica.
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Not fair for the. 40
Short barrel.
But still a good video
An old veteran sheriff told me one time, if you're ever in a firefight, you want whatever holds the most rounds...
I'm sure that same guy wants to get to his rifle in that same scenario
@@ncbible1575 sure but I guarantee you 19+1 is better than 7 8 14 whatever
@@doddgarger6806 how about 30+1
Actually surprised the 10mm didn't just vaporize your backyard. LOL
Most 10 mm is watered down wimpy if you use buffalo boar or underwood corbon then your getting true 10 mm ballistics
Eric Laney : True, I use 200g Double Tap, Bear Tooth for hogs out of my Glock 20 down here in Florida. They work good when I don't feel like carrying a rifle and just take the G20. That front shoulder on pigs has a real tough thick gristle layer.
I use hornady xtp for deer and the 10mm rocks them out to 75 yards I've only ever shot 2 and hit both where the neck meets the head and both dropped in thier tracks , honestly I would feel confident hitting them anywhere in the lung , heart , neck etc with full power loads so I could definitely see it dropping pigs without any hesitation
It would have if he used Underwood 10mm ammo.
Underwood ammo is highhhhh dollar
10mm all the way
love the 10mm!!!
Love the test but have one problem with it. The 45 was standard FMJ while the others had a cone shape. The cone shape will aid in penetrating. Although the 10 should be number one since the velocity should be around 1300 fps, and it is smaller. Great test and thanks for the info
For those surprized.... look at the fps difference as well. The 10mm did exactly as expected since it's closest ballistic tested ammo is .357mag. Though what I would like to see is the same test with the 10mm in both fmj, and jhp... Same bullet weight.
This is good to know but I still love 45 ACP 🤘🏻
Thanks for watching!
10 mm👍🏻
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Pistol #1 (.40) barrel Length = ?
Pistol #2 (.10) barrel Length = ?
Pistol #3 (.45) barrel Length = ?
Duh
The one that mushroomed the least travelled the farthest, regardless of bullet weight. Maybe another test using bullets that aren't made to deform would show different results.
Use the same type of bullets also. The .45 acp has a fmj round, while the other two are fmj flat nose. They interact differently. The fmj has less surface area, thus it interacts with the target differently.
The .40 is way better than that performance you just showed. You just really disrespected the .40 cal!!!
Anthony Butler short & weakness
Who cares.. praise .45acp
Imagine what the 10mm would have done if it had a fmj. Just shows how underrated 10mm is
Maybe it’s my eyesight, but looks like it was FMJ, just flat nose instead
Of ball. Was that not what he used?
Free and Critical Thinker, I’m not to sure you probably know more than I do. I can’t really tell
Full metal jacket is meant to travel through an object the jacketed hallow points are meant to open up once it hits its target. That’s why self defense ammunition is a hallow point usually, but Armor piercing rounds also have full metal jackets.
.45 has too much mass and moves slow. 10mm is the best round. .40 cal is just a light load of a 10mm for people that can't handle the recoil
JonD the smaller the ammo the more rounds u can get of effectively , especially the 9m 17 rounds flush, but anything farther then 30 yards will favor the bigger round
@@LS-sx4vc you get 15 rounds in a glock 20 in 10mm. Your point is moot
That 10mm is a beast. I may need to look into getting one. :-) That Sig P239 would be good for concealment. I heard that they have a nice trigger; DASA.
Thank you for taking your time making these videos! Great to watch
Appreciate you watching!
i have the glock 40 in 10mm and my number one handgun
Very nice!!!
Same here, tried quite a few 10mm platforms, the Glock 40-10mm outperforms them all, that long slide and barrel really do maximize the velocity and accuracy. And on top of it all, it's a Glock!
@@antouab221 then you haven't tried them all, in fact I would say you tried very few. It's ok to be a fan boy but in no way can you say the G 40 it our performed them all.
@@DannyHerron you really need to read my comment again, maybe you will see the light and understand that I never said that I tried all 10mm platforms out there but tried "quite a few" and out of those "quite a few" Glock-40 outperformed them when it comes to price, reliability, ease of obtaining accessories, recoil, accuracy at longer ranges, etc. Now, it only takes to take a deep breath and control your anger and negative emotions and things would sit much better with people's comments. Such quick impulse individuals are exactly what's wrong with this world...
I have triplets G19,20&21
The 40 would have penetrated pass the 45, had you used a equal length barrel.
no 9mm?
Not with this one, but I did same test with 9mm in a different video already
M Blake Jr it was anemic
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@@RalphReagan I'm dieing haàaaha 😂 😂....too skinny ha
Dude this is awesome and a great test, time to surf your channel for more fun stuff
Great video. Thank you. I expected that order of penetration, but I didn't expect the 10mm going that much farther.
It's not the bullet. You shot the 10mm out of a real pistol, the other two out of plastic toys.
The SIG is not plastic, dummy. The Glock is a shit ton more reliable that the outdated 1911. Typical 1911 goofball.
10mm is King!
Yes it is! Thanks for watching Scott!
@@WHOTEEWHO it wasn't in this test.
10 mm Will go the Farther .
I have a RIA 10mm just like that and i love it! Great trigger!
Looking at ballistic gel tests done by others between the 180 grain 40cal and 10mm, attest to their blatant penetration differences. The 45cal did better than I was expecting, but 230 grains of lead tends to go deep enough to out perform the 180 grain 40 cal.