SHOCKING | Hamza Yusuf Exposes The Ashari Creed Regarding The Quran | Evidence
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
- Imam Al Mufassireen Ibn Jarir Al Tabari said regarding the Quran:
“The Quran is the speech of Allah that he revealed and it is from the meanings of his Tawheed, what’s correct from the statement in this matter for us is that, the speech of Allah is uncreated how it was written, where it was recited and in which position it was read, in the heavens it is found, in the earth where it is memorised, written in the preserved tablet, on the wooden tablets of children it is written, carved on rocks, or written on paper, memorised in the hearts, spoken with the tongue. So whoever says other than this, or claims that there is a Quran on the Earth and a Quran in the heavens that isn’t the one we recite with our tongues and written in our books, or he believes this in his heart, or hidden in his self or says it with his tongue, he is indeed a disbeliever in Allah, his blood is permissible, he’s free from Allah and Allah is free from him.
And with the statement of Allah:
[Rather it is an honoured Qur’ān, in the preserved tablet]. (85:21-22)
And in the verse:
[And if any one of the polytheists seeks your protection, then grant him protection so that he may hear the words of Allah]. (9:6)
Allah conveyed, that the Quran written in the preserved tablet and heard from the tongue of the Prophet, they’re one Quran, like it is memorised in the chests, and with the tongues of the elders and youngsters it is recited.”
أخْبَرَنا عُبَيْدُ اللَّهِ بْنُ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ أحْمَدَ قالَ: أخْبَرَنا أحْمَدُ بْنُ كامِلٍ قالَ: ثنا أبُو جَعْفَرٍ مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ جَرِيرٍ قالَ: فَأوَّلُ ما نَبْدَأُ بِالقَوْلِ فِيهِ مِن ذَلِكَ كَلامُ اللَّهِ وتَنْزِيلُهُ؛ إذْ كانَ مِن مَعانِي تَوْحِيدِهِ، والصَّوابُ مِنَ القَوْلِ فِي ذَلِكَ عِنْدَنا أنَّهُ كَلامُ اللَّهِ غَيْرُ مَخْلُوقٍ، وكَيْفَ كُتِبَ، وكَيْفَ تُلِيَ، وفِي أيِّ مَوْضِعٍ قُرِئَ، فِي السَّماءِ وُجِدَ، أوْ فِي الأرْضِ حُفِظَ، فِي اللَّوْحِ المَحْفُوظِ كانَ مَكْتُوبًا، أوْ فِي ألْواحِ صِبْيانِ الكَتاتِيبِ مَرْسُومًا، فِي حَجَرٍ نُقِشَ، أوْ فِي رَقٍّ خُطَّ، فِي القَلْبِ حُفِظَ، أوْ بِاللِّسانِ لُفِظَ، فَمَن قالَ غَيْرَ ذَلِكَ أوِ ادَّعى أنَّ قُرْآنًا فِي الأرْضِ أوْ فِي السَّماءِ غَيْرَ الَّذِي نَتْلُوهُ بِألْسِنَتِنا ولَكِنَّهُ فِي مَصاحِفِنا، أوِ اعْتَقَدَ ذَلِكَ بِقَلْبِهِ، أوْ أضْمَرَهُ فِي نَفْسِهِ، أوْ قالَ بِلِسانِهِ دايِنًا بِهِ، فَهُوَ بِاللَّهِ كافِرٌ، حَلالُ الدَّمِ، وبَرِيءٌ مِنَ اللَّهِ، واللَّهُ بَرِيءٌ مِنهُ، يَقُولُ اللَّهُ: ﴿بَلْ هُوَ قُرْآنٌ مَجِيدٌ فِي لَوْحٍ مَحْفُوظٍ﴾ [البروج ٢٢]. وقالَ وقَوْلُهُ الحَقُّ: ﴿وإنْ أحَدٌ مِنَ المُشْرِكِينَ اسْتَجارَكَ فَأجِرْهُ حَتّى يَسْمَعَ كَلامَ اللَّهِ﴾ [التوبة ٦]. فَأخْبَرَ اللَّهُ جَلَّ ثَناؤُهُ أنَّهُ فِي اللَّوْحِ المَحْفُوظِ، وأنَّهُ مِن لِسانِ مُحَمَّدٍ ﷺ مَسْمُوعٌ، وهُوَ قُرْآنٌ واحِدٌ، مِن مُحَمَّدِ ﷺ مَسْمُوعٌ، وفِي اللَّوْحِ المَحْفُوظِ مَكْتُوبٌ، وكَذَلِكَ هُوَ فِي الصُّدُورِ مَحْفُوظٌ، وبِألْسُنِ الشُّيُوخِ والشُّبّانِ مَتْلُوٌّ
(Sharh Usool I’tiqad Ahlul Sunnah Wal Jama’ah by Al Lalaka’ee 325)
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Imam Al Mufassireen Ibn Jarir Al Tabari said regarding the Quran:
*“The Quran is the speech of Allah that he revealed and it is from the meanings of his Tawheed, what’s correct from the statement in this matter for us is that, the speech of Allah is uncreated how it was written, where it was recited and in which position it was read, in the heavens it is found, in the earth where it is memorised, written in the preserved tablet, on the wooden tablets of children it is written, carved on rocks, or written on paper, memorised in the hearts, spoken with the tongue. So whoever says other than this, or claims that there is a Quran on the Earth and a Quran in the heavens that isn’t the one we recite with our tongues and written in our books, or he believes this in his heart, or hidden in his self or says it with his tongue, he is indeed a disbeliever in Allah, his blood is permissible, he’s free from Allah and Allah is free from him.*
*And with the statement of Allah:*
*[Rather it is an honoured Qur’ān, in the preserved tablet].* (85:21-22)
*And in the verse:*
*[And if any one of the polytheists seeks your protection, then grant him protection so that he may hear the words of Allah].* (9:6)
*Allah conveyed, that the Quran written in the preserved tablet and heard from the tongue of the Prophet, they’re one Quran, like it is memorised in the chests, and with the tongues of the elders and youngsters it is recited.”*
أخْبَرَنا عُبَيْدُ اللَّهِ بْنُ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ أحْمَدَ قالَ: أخْبَرَنا أحْمَدُ بْنُ كامِلٍ قالَ: ثنا أبُو جَعْفَرٍ مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ جَرِيرٍ قالَ: فَأوَّلُ ما نَبْدَأُ بِالقَوْلِ فِيهِ مِن ذَلِكَ كَلامُ اللَّهِ وتَنْزِيلُهُ؛ إذْ كانَ مِن مَعانِي تَوْحِيدِهِ، والصَّوابُ مِنَ القَوْلِ فِي ذَلِكَ عِنْدَنا أنَّهُ كَلامُ اللَّهِ غَيْرُ مَخْلُوقٍ، وكَيْفَ كُتِبَ، وكَيْفَ تُلِيَ، وفِي أيِّ مَوْضِعٍ قُرِئَ، فِي السَّماءِ وُجِدَ، أوْ فِي الأرْضِ حُفِظَ، فِي اللَّوْحِ المَحْفُوظِ كانَ مَكْتُوبًا، أوْ فِي ألْواحِ صِبْيانِ الكَتاتِيبِ مَرْسُومًا، فِي حَجَرٍ نُقِشَ، أوْ فِي رَقٍّ خُطَّ، فِي القَلْبِ حُفِظَ، أوْ بِاللِّسانِ لُفِظَ، فَمَن قالَ غَيْرَ ذَلِكَ أوِ ادَّعى أنَّ قُرْآنًا فِي الأرْضِ أوْ فِي السَّماءِ غَيْرَ الَّذِي نَتْلُوهُ بِألْسِنَتِنا ولَكِنَّهُ فِي مَصاحِفِنا، أوِ اعْتَقَدَ ذَلِكَ بِقَلْبِهِ، أوْ أضْمَرَهُ فِي نَفْسِهِ، أوْ قالَ بِلِسانِهِ دايِنًا بِهِ، فَهُوَ بِاللَّهِ كافِرٌ، حَلالُ الدَّمِ، وبَرِيءٌ مِنَ اللَّهِ، واللَّهُ بَرِيءٌ مِنهُ، يَقُولُ اللَّهُ: ﴿بَلْ هُوَ قُرْآنٌ مَجِيدٌ فِي لَوْحٍ مَحْفُوظٍ﴾ [البروج ٢٢]. وقالَ وقَوْلُهُ الحَقُّ: ﴿وإنْ أحَدٌ مِنَ المُشْرِكِينَ اسْتَجارَكَ فَأجِرْهُ حَتّى يَسْمَعَ كَلامَ اللَّهِ﴾ [التوبة ٦]. فَأخْبَرَ اللَّهُ جَلَّ ثَناؤُهُ أنَّهُ فِي اللَّوْحِ المَحْفُوظِ، وأنَّهُ مِن لِسانِ مُحَمَّدٍ ﷺ مَسْمُوعٌ، وهُوَ قُرْآنٌ واحِدٌ، مِن مُحَمَّدِ ﷺ مَسْمُوعٌ، وفِي اللَّوْحِ المَحْفُوظِ مَكْتُوبٌ، وكَذَلِكَ هُوَ فِي الصُّدُورِ مَحْفُوظٌ، وبِألْسُنِ الشُّيُوخِ والشُّبّانِ مَتْلُوٌّ
(Sharh Usool I’tiqad Ahlul Sunnah Wal Jama’ah by Al Lalaka’ee 325)
@@muslimsunniashari3280 Show me one place where Imam al-Mufassireen Ibn Jarir al-Tabari says the Quran we recite which is created is different to the Quran tied to the essence of Allah which isn’t created. Just one place where he says this.
Fakhr al-Din al-Razi said:
*"The Qur’an is divided into that which is tied to the Essence of Allah (the Eternal Attribute) and the letters and sounds which we have with us. And there is no dispute that the words which are constructed from these letters and sounds are originated and created and the challenge to bring something like the Qur’an was with this (I.e. the created Qur’an) and not the Eternal Attribute.”*
أنَّ القُرْآنَ اسْمٌ يُقالُ بِالِاشْتِراكِ عَلى الصِّفَةِ القَدِيمَةِ القائِمَةِ بِذاتِ اللَّه تَعالى، وعَلى هَذِهِ الحُرُوفِ والأصْواتِ، ولا نِزاعَ فِي أنَّ الكَلِماتِ المُرَكَّبَةَ مِن هَذِهِ الحُرُوفِ والأصْواتِ مُحْدَثَةٌ مَخْلُوقَةٌ، والتَّحَدِّي إنَّما وقَعَ بِها لا بِالصِّفَةِ القَدِيمَةِ.
(Mafatih al-Ghayb by Fakhr al-Din al-Razi 17/254)
@@muslimsunniashari3280 Fakhr al-Din al-Razi clearly said that the Kalam revealed to the earth is created and not Allah’s speech, and that Allah’s speech is tied to his essence. Abul Hasan al-Ashari (before he repented) held this same view as was transmitted by al-Shahrastani in his al-Milal Wa al-Nihal. Al-Ashari said:
وكلامه واحد هو: أمر ونهي، وخبر، واستخبار، ووعد، ووعيد. وهذه الوجوه ترجع إلى اعتبارات في كلامه، لا إلى عدد في نفس الكلام، والعبارات، والألفاظ المنزلة على لسان الملائكة إلى الأنبياء عليهم السلام دلالات على الكلام الأزلي، والدلالة مخلوقة محدثة، والمدلول قديم أزلي.
(al-Milal Wa al-Nihal 1/97)
*Imam al-Mufassireen Ibn Jarir al-Tabari clearly said this is major disbelief as the original quote highlights, I want you to show me where he was upon what the ashari scholars believe.*
@@muslimsunniashari3280 You said Imam al-Mufassireen Ibn Jarir al-Tabari affirms a difference between Kalam lafdhi and Kalam nafsi, get me the quote please.
@@muslimsunniashari3280 This is the aqeedah of the lafziyyah, not the muslims.
I have already provided a quote of Imam al-Mufassireen Ibn Jarir al-Tabari regarding the Quran. I will mention what earlier scholars said regarding his aqeeda from early sources.
Imam Abu Uthman al-Sabuni (373-449H) spoke about the aqeeda of Imam al-Mufassireen Ibn Jarir al-Tabari on the lafdh issue. He said:
“Muhammad ibn Jareer at-Tabaree (may Allah have Mercy on him) mentioned in his book, Al i'tiqaad, which he wrote on this topic:
*‘As for the saying about people's recitations of the Quran, then I do not know of any report from any Companion or Taabi'ee [student of a Companion] about that. I have only heard from someone whose stance is beneficial and healing, one whom guidance is found in following him, one whose statement stands as the position of the early imams: Abu 'Abdillah Ahmad ibn Hanbal, may Allah have Mercy on him. Abu Ismaa'eel at-Tirmidhee narrated to me that he heard Aboo 'Abdillaah Ahmad ibn Hanbal (may Allah have Mercy on him) saying: 'The Lafdhiyyah are actually Jahmiyyah. Allah, the Mighty and Majestic, has said: "Offer him protection, so he hears the Speech of Allah." [9:6] Who would he be hearing from?' Then, he [Abu Ismaa'eel at-Tirmidhee] said: I have also heard from a number of our companions, too many to remember, narrating from him [Imam Ahmad] (may Allah be pleased with him) that he used to say: 'Anyone who says that my recitation of the Quran is created is a Jahmee. Anyone who says it [the recitation] is not created is an innovator.'*
Muhammad ibn Jareer then said:
*‘There is no speech on this topic which is permissible, other than his [Imam Ahmad's] statement, as we have no imam other than him to follow. His position is sufficient and satisfactory. He is the imam to be followed, may Allah have Mercy on him and be pleased with him.’*
These quotes from Muhammad ibn Jareer which I have cited here, verbatim, are from his book he authored, Al i'tiqaad. I declare that he, Muhammad ibn Jareer, in this passage of his book, had indeed effectively nullified all that was leveled against him of claims and accusations that he strayed from the path of Sunnah or leaned towards some kind of deviation. What he narrated from Ahmad (may Allah be pleased with him and make him pleased [with great reward]) about the Lafdhiyyah Sect actually being Jahmiyyah themselves is indeed accurate. He said this because Jahm and his followers spoke explicitly about the Quran being created, while those who spoke about the recitation [of Quran] gradually inched their way towards saying that the Quran was created. They were afraid of Ahlus-Sunnah in that time, so they would not speak clearly about their belief that the Quran was created. Rather, they mentioned this issue about the recitation. They intended to say that the Quran, with our recitation, is created, so Ahmad (may Allah have Mercy on called them Jahmiyyah. It is also reported from him that he said, "The Lafdhiyyah [Sect] are worse than the Jahmiyyah." Regarding what Muhammad ibn Jareer narrated from Ahmad (may Allah have Mercy on him) about a person who says, "My recitation of the Quran is not created" being an innovator, then he meant that the Salaf from Ahlus-Sunnah did not speak about the matter of recitation [in this way]. They had no need for this. This rhetoric about recitation only came about from people of deep thought with foolish intellects, those who would bring about newly-invented matters and transgress into what they had been forbidden from of pathways of misguidance. [They were] people of blameworthy speech, delving into matters that the Salaf of Islam's scholars never spoke about. Therefore, the imam [Ahmad] said that the very statement itself was an innovation, and the follower of Sunnah must shun it and not speak with it or any invented innovations similar to it. He [the follower of Sunnah] keeps to what the Salaf of the guided imams said: "The Quran is the Speech of Allah, not created," and thereafter does not add anything, except declaring the disbelief of those who claim it is created.”
وذكر محمد بن جرير الطبري في كتابه الاعتقاد الذي صنفه في هذه المسألة، وقال: أما القول في ألفاظ العباد بالقرآن فلا أثر فيه نعلمه عن صحابي ولا تابعي إلا عمن في قوله الغناء والشفاء، وفي اتباعه الرشد والهدى، ومن يقوم قوله مقام الأئمة الأول؛ أبي عبد الله أحمد بن حنبل ؛ فإن أبا إسماعيل الترمذي حدثني قال: سمعت أبا عبد الله أحمد بن حنبل يقول: اللفظية جهمية، قال الله تعالى: ﴿فَأجِرْهُ حَتّى يَسْمَعَ كَلامَ﴾ [التوبة:٦] ممن يسمع؟ قال: ثم سمعت جماعة من أصحابنا لا أحفظ أسماءهم يذكرون عنه أنه كان يقول: من قال: لفظي بالقرآن مخلوق.
فهو جهمي، ومن قال: غير مخلوق.
فهو مبتدع.
قال محمد بن جرير: ولا قول في ذلك عندنا يجوز أن نقوله غير قوله؛ إذ لم يكن لنا فيه إمام نأتم به سواه، وفيه الكفاية والمقنع، وهو الإمام المتبع رحمة الله عليه ورضوانه.
هذه ألفاظ محمد بن جرير التي نقلتها نفسها إلى ما هاهنا من كتاب الاعتقاد الذي صنفه]
.قلت: وهو ـ أعني محمد بن جرير ـ قد نفى عن نفسه بهذا الفصل الذي ذكره في كتابه كل ما نسب إليه، وقذف به، من عدول عن سبيل السنة أو ميل إلى شيء من البدعة
والذي حكاه عن أحمد ـ رضي الله عنه وأرضاه ـ : أن اللفظية جهمية، فصحيح عنه، وإنما قال ذلك لأن جهماه) وأصحابه صرحوا بخلق القرآن، والذين قالوا باللفظ تدرجوا به إلى القول بخلق القرآن، وخافوا أهل السنة ـ في ذلك الزمان) ـ من التصريح بخلق القرآن؛ فذكروا هذا اللفظ، وأرادوا به أن القرآن بلفظنا مخلوق، فلذلك سماهم أحمد ـ رحمه الله ـ جهمية
وحكي عنه أيضاً أنه قال : (اللفظية شر من الجهمية)
وأما ما حكاه محمد بن جرير عن أحمد ـ رحمه الله ـ أن قال لفظي بالقرآن غير مخلوق فهو مبتدع، فإنما أراد أن السلف من أهل السنة لم يتكلموا في باب اللفظ، ولم يحوجهم الحال إليه، وإنما حدث الكلام في اللفظ من أهل التعمق، وذوي الحمق، الذين أتوا بالمحدثات، وعتوا عما نهوا عنه من الضلالات، وذميم المقالات، وخاضوا فيما لم يخض فيه السلف من علماء الإسلام؛ فقال الإمام هذا القول في نفسه بدعة، ومن حق المتسنن أن يدعه، ولا يتفوه به، ولا بمثله من البدع المبتدعة، ويقتصر على ما قاله السلف من الأئمة المتبعة : أن القرآن كلام الله غير مخلوق، ولا يزيد عليه إلا تكفير من يقول بخلقه
(Aqeedat al-Salaf Wa Ashab al-Hadith p. 171-173)
The reason why I don’t follow the Ashari creed is because it goes against the clear texts of the Quran and human nature. People only follow it because they think it makes them look like intellectuals 🧐 with all those fancy words.
It does because it prefers aqal over naqal. True.
I would say, as the Aahariyyah are clear Laifziyyah, and the Salafi spoke very very harshly against them.
Their evidences also are not sound
@@mewzi One more thing, that I would add brother, is that they are extremely weak in Hadiths.
Their perception of Allah also goes against the fitrah. Especially the u3luu of Allah for example
I've been doing research on the ashari and athari creed.
When I knew nothing about these two positions, and I read in the quran where Allah says he is above his throne or when the prophet said that Allah descends to the lowest heaven in the last third of the night and etc. I believed in it as it was revealed. The question of how, by which means and is Allah made from parts didn't cross my mind once. That is the fitrah and it aligns with the athari position of accepting what Allah has revealed about himself.
This might be my ignorance speaking but I think that's one of the biggest proofs. U ask a child to read the quran and the hadiths about Allah, and they will also say he is above the heavens and above his throne, that Allah descends to the lowest heaven and they will affirm that the quran is the word of Allah
This is the fitrah, no doubt in it, it is the opposite in face for those who oppose this simple but true stance. They claim the Fitrah to be ignorance, while in fact they are extremely ignoramus and arrogant as well. This Fitrah is that same instinct that lead us to worship over creator.
both make sense
Yes, but majority of the world today has strayed very far from the Fitrah, which is why the Asharis/Maturidis were so important in defending Ahlussunah against the Rationalists the way they did.
@@lejamesbron5880 Ahul-Kalam are not Ahul-sunnah, Ahul-sunnah are the ashab-ul-hadiths, who were Athari in their Aqeedah. You call what they Ahul-Kalam do defending the deen? Those who are Lafziyyah, what defending of the deen they can do, although generally the Ahul-Kalam are cutter Secularist.
@@lejamesbron5880 many of he imams are on bida but if you give dawa to a person with no bias they will accept the salafi dawa as more consistent.
Subhanallah I remember ustadh Aburrahman mentioning in his podcast that the asha'ira hide their real creed amongst their ulema and don't teach the lay people what they actually believe. I remember thinking "surely that can't be true" but this has proven that!
asharis dont hide this. Asharis openly proclaim that technically the recitation/book arent the eternal "qalam ullah" since the "qalam ullah" is uncreated and both there are created and have an end. Your salafis throw logic and rational out the window
This is true all they do is tell stories they are story tellers not teachers
@@uzair851refuting the Quran it seems
The Asha'irah basically agree with the Mu'tazilah regarding this issue, but at least the Mu'tazilah are more honest and open about their blasphemy
Imam al-Mujaddid al-Safarini said:
*“In conclusion, the Mu'tazilah are in agreement with the Asha'irah, while the Asha'irah are in agreement with the Mu'tazilah, that this Qur’ān contained within the two covers of the Mushaf is created and new. The only difference between the two factions is that the Mu’tazilah did not affirm any other Speech for Allah except this (the Qur’ān, which they thought was created), whereas the Asha'irah affirmed Kalam Nafsi subsisting in Allah’s essence. Whereas the Mu’tazilah say, the Speech of Allāh is created (and not subsisting in Allāh). The Asha'irah do not consider it (the Quran) the Speech of Allāh. Yes, they call it ‘the Speech of Allāh’, but only metaphorically, and that is the belief of the majority of their predecessors.”*
والحاصِلُ أنَّ المُعْتَزِلَةَ مُوافِقَةٌ الأشْعَرِيَّةَ، والأشْعَرِيَّةَ مُوافِقَةٌ المُعْتَزِلَةَ فِي أنَّ هَذا القُرْآنَ الَّذِي بَيْنَ دَفَّتَيِ المُصْحَفِ مَخْلُوقٌ مُحْدَثٌ وإنَّما الخِلافُ بَيْنَ الطّائِفَتَيْنِ أنَّ المُعْتَزِلَةَ لَمْ تُثْبِتْ لِلَّهِ كَلامًا سِوى هَذا، والأشْعَرِيَّةَ أثْبَتَتِ الكَلامَ النَّفْسِيَّ القائِمَ بِذاتِهِ تَعالى، وأنَّ المُعْتَزِلَةَ يَقُولُونَ: إنَّ المَخْلُوقَ كَلامُ اللَّهِ، والأشْعَرِيَّةَ لا يَقُولُونَ أنَّهُ كَلامُ اللَّهِ، نَعَمْ يُسَمُّونَهُ كَلامَ اللَّهِ مَجازًا هَذا قَوْلُ جُمْهُورِ مُتَقَدِّمِيهِمْ
(Lawami al-Anwar al-Bahiyya 1/165)
@Fawaz Shaikh no doubt the Asharis are closer to Ahlul Sunnah than the Mu’tazilla
@@Moath1277 Akhi, them being "more closer to Ahl us-Sunnah" does not make them any better than the Mu'tazilah and their differences with Ahl us-Sunnah is still in the fundamental creed. The Asha'irah are barely any different in belief to the Mu'tazilah, except that the Asha'irah affirm only 6-7 of Allah's attributes. They are Murji'ah, because they don't affirm Imān in it's eniterity like Ahl us-Sunnah. They don't believe the Mus'haf Qur'an is the word of Allah and they hide this evil belief from the laymen Muslims, as this video proves for us. The Asha'irah look more sinister within this regard than the Mu'tazilah. They go directly against the Prophet (ﷺ) and the Salaf by basing the arguments for their entire beliefs on the logic and principles of Aristotle and Plato, whilst Qur'an & Sunnah is only secondary to them. I could bring more differences between Sunni 'Aqidah and Ash'ari 'Aqidah.
@@berberawy4430 Brother, where did I disagree with you? All I’m saying is they are better than the Mutazillah according to the scholars, which is why the imams of Ahlul Sunnah didn’t make takfir of Asharis as a group unlike they did with Mutazillah.
My dear brother, Asharis are literally estimated in the hundreds of thousands, in Egypt alone (if not millions).. let alone other parts of the Muslim world. And the majority don’t know what is in their books, which is why they are not Kufar according to the imams of Ahlul Sunnah. Dear brother, ibn Taymiyyah did not make takfir of them as a group NEVER, nor did Uthaymeen nor did ibn Baz nor did Albani nor did any major Sunni scholar I heard of throughout the ages. This is exactly where the Haddadiyyah went astray, they made takfor of them as a group and thus were labeled as a deviant group for that and for other reasons.
May Allah bless you.
*Berberawy* My brother , lay Muslims don’t know about Ashari Aqidah unless they specifically study their Aqidah.
They take creed from Quran and Sunnah from literal sense. That is the default position.
Most people go with Fitrah and they don’t philosophize Ayats of Quran .
In India , they use words like “Uparwala dekh raha hai” literally by making hand, eyes and heads directing towards sky above .
This is YQs new buddy lol. I remember the days when YQ was so strong against him
Abdullah ibn Amr reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “What comes over my nation will surely be what came over the children of Israel, step by step until if one of them fornicated with his mother, one from my nation would do the same. Verily, the children of Israel split into seventy-two sects and my nation will split into seventy-three sects; all of them are in the Hellfire except for one denomination.” They said, “Who are they, O Messenger of Allah?” The Prophet said, “Those who follow my way and my companions.”
Source: Sunan al-Tirmidhī 2641
Grade: Hasan (fair) according to Al-Albani
عَنْ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ بْنِ عَمْرٍو قَالَ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ لَيَأْتِيَنَّ عَلَى أُمَّتِي مَا أَتَى عَلَى بَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ حَذْوَ النَّعْلِ بِالنَّعْلِ حَتَّى إِنْ كَانَ مِنْهُمْ مَنْ أَتَى أُمَّهُ عَلَانِيَةً لَكَانَ فِي أُمَّتِي مَنْ يَصْنَعُ ذَلِكَ وَإِنَّ بَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ تَفَرَّقَتْ عَلَى ثِنْتَيْنِ وَسَبْعِينَ مِلَّةً وَتَفْتَرِقُ أُمَّتِي عَلَى ثَلَاثٍ وَسَبْعِينَ مِلَّةً كُلُّهُمْ فِي النَّارِ إِلَّا مِلَّةً وَاحِدَةً قَالُوا وَمَنْ هِيَ يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ قَالَ مَا أَنَا عَلَيْهِ وَأَصْحَابِي
2641 سنن الترمذي كتاب الإيمان ما جاء في افتراق هذه الأمة
2641 المحدث الألباني خلاصة حكم المحدث حسن في صحيح الترمذي
Heresy upon heresy
The full clip:
ua-cam.com/video/06SBxxEyuRg/v-deo.html
What is the answer of the asharis on the question if the kalaam nafsi is eternal than to whom was Allaah adressing when nothing was existing?
For example Allaah said to Moses take out your shoes.
So according to the wicked belief of the asharis, when Musa was non-existent Allaah was adressing Musa !?
They have to say one of two that Allah talked to musa to take off his shoes when he didn't exist or they would have to say musa and his shoes are eternal so their blasphemy and kufr can at least make sense
جزاكم الله خيرا وبارك فيكم
The guy is a mushrik he was reading البردة للبوصيري
With his Zindeeq friend Alhabib aljifri
@@UmarIbnAlKhattab1
اكتب العربية والإنجليزية الخطأ في التصحيح التلقائي من لوحة المفاتيح، غير مقصود ، جزاك الله خيرا على التصحيح
I know ,it was unintentionally keypads auto correction ,barak Allah Feek
@أخوك Here's the link: ua-cam.com/video/npKWJfLnXmQ/v-deo.html
@أخوك
Sorry man I didn't see your comment
@أخوك
ua-cam.com/video/QzZZZBmr6OM/v-deo.html
That's enough for takfir?
كلام الزنادقة! الله المستعان
This is the truth of such heretics., May ALLAH protect us from such distortion and deviance
Matureedia are a better than Asha'ira. Asha'ira are much more violent in aqeeda.
Lol..most ashari too scared to give direct khutbah about their idea regarding the variant of kalam they had.
By the word kalam I was referring to speech of Allah.
The Maturidiyyah are notoriously famous for calling the Shafiyyah (who were the Ashariyyah) as kuffar, and vice versa. Although they now a day don't talk about it, due to political reasons and affiliations, but those statements are mentioned in their books.
As mostly an Asha'iira, I agree that most of the believers regurgitate fervently and absolutely prefers not to know or learn about other creeds or way of understanding, which pretty much keeps most of us enclosed and inbred. It's a dangerous pill, but insyaAllah not all of us are build this way.
@@SajidAli-ip7ov Akhi, I am busy right now, I will send it to you today or tomorrow inshallah.
Are you guys sufi or something? Just asking for my benefit and others.
No