Meet the LC-130: The Arctic Rocket Plane
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Is this why the title was changed?
@@andrewellis9152 youtubers always change the title shortly after upload if the video doesn't immediately perform up to a certain predicted metric.
I think it’s due to the obscurity of the topic. I almost didn’t click until I read the channel name
I've noticed the algorithm being weird lately and not recommending any of my subs. Perhaps it's fixed now! I got this one recommended!
Will there ever be any sane engineering on this channel?
How it's made?
Sane engineering is called being an architect. And that is all about not making things work.
Only boring ones
Nobody is sane. Only undiagnosed
The average engineering of the hammer
I'm so happy you said -40° without specifying Fahrenheit or Celsius!
Minnesotan here, who knows that's the magic crossover.
(-40 - 32) * 5 / 9 = -40 * 9 / 5 + 32
I cannot describe how awesome it is to live just a few miles away from the 109th's airbase. Skibirds constantly flying over my neighborhood singlehandedly inspired me to pursue aviation.
skibidi birds?
@@coquio birds (planes) with skis on the landing gear.
@@gsf_ryderskibidi birds…
I lived there too-with the Skibirds over my house.
cant unread skibidis now sorry not sorry
Next video - „The questionable engineering of the bike shed outside Leinster house“
I had to look this up, but yikes. €336,000 to store 18 bikes? This better have a bike valet take your bike when you park and bring it back for you later in even better condition.
Also check out the Ark Cycle Shelter: €6,400 for 20 bikes or about 5% of the price your government paid, the main downside being that 300k+ doesn't end up in a few peoples pockets.
@@desmond-hawkins not even the worst thing about it. The most stupid thing is that the open end of the shed it facing south west… in the direction the prevailing winds come from…
@@desmond-hawkins Oh wow. I just looked up pics. For that price I was expecting some opulent mechanized storage tower. The real thing looks like a long bus stop shelter.
This is the insane engineering, of the worlds most expensive bike shed.....
@@_D_P_ Yes, and parking alternatives are super cheap given their size. That's the thing: you can expect lots of innovation like this €6k bike shelter when it comes to this new technology now called the bicycle, and the ecosystem that's quickly growing around it. Who could have guessed it was so easy to travel on an affordable vehicle with only two wheels, by simply pedaling? I get that it's revolutionary and obviously not everyone is ready for it, but progress is coming regardless.
"How do you decide whether to use the rocket pods or not?"
Pilot: "Depends if i want my Christmas bonus or not"
they are already close enough to the North pole that they can just hope by Santa him self.
You're basically Santa Claus to those scientists. You deserve a bonus, of course.
Brian is out here living his best life and helping all of us to understand the insane creations that humanity has to offer. One of my absolute favorite channels! Keep up the amazing work!
2:03 I bet you were so happy to be able to say this without specifying the units.
without units I'll assume he means -40K which is impossible, damn lies, lies and deception
but it is the standard unit and the most sane one so without specifying it thats what I'll ahve to assume
-40 C = -40 F
@@eikebehrmann3493 -40K=-310°C and also impossible
He did specify that it was "40 DEGREES below zero." Fahrenheit and Celsius are measured in degrees, Kelvin is not. Kelvin is measured in Kelvins. @@JulianDanzerHAL9001
6:54
The C-130 is the most underrated plane in the US arsenal. From just being a rugged cargo plane, to arctic landing like this, to landing on an aircraft carrier without modifications, to being a gunship carrying a 105mm howitzer, to landing and taking off within a stadium, the C-130 is insane.
Plus bomber... combat search and rescue... psychological ops... tanker... maritime patrol... weather reconnaissance... electronic warfare... airborne command and control... what did I miss?
It's not underrated.
@@sharkusvelarde I mean it can be when a lot of the buzz and popularity surrounding military aircraft tends to center around those with primarily (or solely for most) offensive capabilities for example; the F-35's (tends to get a lot of news coverage just because of how much "Insane Engineering :D" went into them), B-52's (having a namesake and being the the idea behind the famous 1970's band's naming convention), V-22's (arguably one of the most iconic air frame silhouettes, along with some fairly notable service history in conjunction with Marine One) . Some aircraft are just easily recognizable, even to those who aren't familiar with aviation.
But a lot of us know that planes like the 130's are the backbone to the airforce and marines. The US military STILL doesn't plan on retiring the airframe for another 2 or 3 decades from now, even though it is quite LITERALLY entering it's 70th year year of operation. With not just how many A variants are being deployed and developed, but also the huge amounts of logistical variants there are of it; it's just a testament to how much of a workhorse the plane is.
Something to note as well is the US Navy is overhauling a majority of the fleet for new designs (for commissioned ships at least). The Arleigh-Burkes (a design that is the basis for many other countries' Navies guided missile ships) have been modernized several times in fact so much so that the Ticonderoga's are now obsolete (a class of ship that doesn't even share one of the Arleigh-Burkes btw), the Nimitzs, and the Los Angles Class (being gradually phased out as we build more Virginias), all of those designs have been through one conflict; the Gulf War, and none of those designs were in competition with other designs in their ship classes other than themselves. You could argue that several contracts and several companies have proposed designs all along the 130's service history to replace them, but nope; they're still with us. In fact; the 130's have seen so many conflicts that they go back as far in our history to a time when they were fighting alongside our currently obsolete battleships which are now maintained as museums (regarding the Iowas; the question "are these still useful?" didn't really gain traction until after the Vietnam war, but you get my point). There are seldom military craft/designs that three different living generations of enlisted men can say they served on, especially when it comes to aircraft. They're not just modern technical feats of engineering, they're quite literally living history.
@@bwickham195Airborne Medical Station.
I would like to point out the 6 blade C-130 is its own major iteration of the Hercules, the J model. It is not a small upgrade to the previous H model, the last 4 blade based model, but a major one with massive internal changes including completely different engines, hydraulics, fully digital cockpit, vastly improved cargo hold design, etc.
The current LC-130 is based on the H model with the 8 blade swap. It kills some of the top speed it had with the 4 blades but gains more thrust.
The majority H model fleet is also receiving some powerplant improvements (aside from the blade swap program) to gain some efficiency and power since many are not much older than the oldest J models around so they still have a long life ahead of them. The Air Force, and related, decided to improve their H fleet but only a few had the 8 blade swap, the Navy, and related, and doing most of the swaps.
I got to see the last active duty H model leave for the bone yard a few years ago. Can't say I miss them lmao. Although I can't say I'd hate my life half as much if I didn't have to screw around with a mechanical valve housing like on the 4 bladed props anymore lol
Correct. About 10 years ago, they converted all the skiers to the 8-bladed NP2000 Hamilton Standard (Collins Aerospace) Props. Since there are no longer manufacturers of JATO Bottles, the 8-bladed props allow for takeoff without the assist. NP2000s were supposed to be installed on all the H models but many never had installation. The 103rd AW CtAng has H-3 models but will be getting J models.
J models have the same hydro systems as an H or Navy T model
@@stevenscherry4143 you're telling me the J model with a vastly different powerplant has the same hydraulic systems as the much older H model? Talk about backwards compatibility.
Also, do you know what differentiates the H from the Navy T?
@@freetobe3 nothing specific, like this has this blah making it an H. Its mainly Navy Air Force designations. They are basically the same planes. Navy had 130 F, R, and T models which were the same as B, E and H models for the Air Force. I also read an article that talked about the NP2000 upgrade. In the article they said there were 3 mods to the complete upgrade; the prop, something on the engine and something else I don't remember. When all 3 mods were done, the article said the aircraft had the same or better performance as a J model, and had the equivalent engine output as a J model with 5 engines
That interview angle with the pilot talking over his shoulder was awkward looking. Kudos to him for being so chill. (Pun intended)
I think they really wanted to have the interview in the cockpit, which makes a lot of sense. But I would imagine that there is no way to have them face each other and also squeeze a cameraperson in there.
They're used to it. Most pilots spend a lot of time like that talking to the Nav, Load, or Crew Chief behind them.
@@Plaprad Probably why he kept looking back forward. Muscle memory from swapping between flying forward and talking over his shoulder.
That pilot sounded very experienced. What a good dude to interview
Repairing a crash landed C130 in the ARCTIC then finding somebody to actually FLY it home is completely insane
They didn't have to "find" anyone. Just gave an order to some pilots. It is the military you know.
That plane was actually owned by the National Science Foundation. NSF, the Navy, ITT, and Lockheed all worked together to rebuild the plane and get it home. Nobody had to be given orders. They're doing their jobs and passions. It's a professional operation, not like the movies.
It was actually the Antarctic. South Pole.
@@WanJae42 so who were the pilots? I'm guessing they were military.
One of the things not discussed about prop blades, that I would have loved to have seen mentioned is scimitar props. The prop blades become swept as you approach the tip, to increase the critical mach speed, similar to swept wings.
I assume to counter the higher air density due to the cold temperatures?
@@lord_kermandecreasing the critical Mach number decreases the strength and size of the shockwave coming off the top of the blades. As the blades get closer to Mach 1, their aerofoil shape speeds up the air over the top of the blades enough to make it go supersonic. This produces a shockwave on the top of the blades which creates a super low pressure zone, heavily reducing lift. By sweeping the blades back, it gives the air a longer chord length to travel over and therefore it doesn’t speed up as much and decreases loss from supersonic flow over the blades.
The P-38 had this problem where it was very good at increasing the speed of the air going over its center wing which made it prone to shockwave generation. This created a low pressure zone which effectively blacked out the tail controls from the airstream, so pilots would frequently get stuck in high speed dives going transonic.
You’re speaking of the C-130J with its 6 scimitar blades. The older engine/prop combo had a wide chord 4-blade, where the J uses narrower chord blades, but more blades. Rounded tips as opposed to the old squared off tips.
It’s just a different way to bite air.
It came down to where do you want your inefficiency? Better cruise speed efficiency at the cost of take-off bite, or vise versa.
I’ve flown in both.
Think of it like a bass boat outboard. Do you want a 3-blade prop or a 4-blade? Each has its benefits, and each has its drawbacks.
@CSMSteel7 some if not all LC-130's are retrofitted with 8 blade props, the same as the ones fitted to E-2 hawkeye.
@@seavixen125 Eight? Jeez.
My aunt lived in Antarctica for a time. LC 130s landed a lot as well as C-17s. She somehow knew the c17 pilot and was able to climb up the tail and stand at the plane.
Just learned the c-17 is so huge there is an entire ladder inside the tail, thanks for sharing
@@linecraftman3907damn, TIL!
It’s a lot higher than you’d think!
I was one of your crew chiefs on the flight out to Raven, awesome seeing you guys. Great job on the video, now I can just send this to friends and family when they have questions :)
15:59 He's talking about a VMC roll here. In a twin engine prop plane, there is a Velocity minimum controllable speed just like a V1 (decision speed) and V2 (single engine climb speed). If you are below Vmc with one engine, the counter torque from the prop will overpower the aircrafts ability to keep the plane from rolling over, rudders and ailerons get outmatched. Super scary
It’s fun as hell when you’re flying it in the simulator, tree surfing until you can clean up the airplane and get positive rate, not fun when you’re flying it in real life and trying not to hit buildings and also trying to keep the airspeed up without flipping over lol
The C-130 family is among my favorite series of aircraft, particularly the AC-130 models. The LC-130 was one of the variants I had less knowledge of, it was really great being able to hear the pilots talk about how they have to operate this aircraft in these specific conditions. Awesome video as always.
Yeah, the Spectre is a classic!
@@plackt its pretty... spooky
i am in the air force, flying to antartica is one of my greatest dreams. you are one lucky duck. i love your videos
It's a very long flight from Greenland to the Antarctic. 😉
No you're not
@@TheNapalmFTW
Argument by assertion.
I live and work near the 109th in NY and love seeing these birds flying around. My dad was a loadmaster on 130s in Vietnam, so I have a special affinity for them.
3:50 That c130 just shoot straight up in the air by those rocket😂😂 70s and 80s engineers were just crazy
Yes but that’s because the C-130 is specially modified and stripped of unnecessary weight.
@@nwmancuso thanks for the explaination, that does make more sense. Still, those tiny rockets' power still surprise me. I saw them on the Blue Angels' C130 once in an airshow, i thought they are just fireworks for a more dramatic take off, I just dont know they actually could push that hard.
@@lukevin5941 no because it basically lifted off vertically, an ac130 went like 30 feet then air born lol.
I can’t cannot believe the animation at 17:00, I thought I was looking at real footage until the end of the segment when you said the plane was only unburied 16 years later in the 1980s. I was like wait how was the shot in color then? That shot and other animated shots in this look really really good. Good job.
Perhaps USA is a little backward technologically, but Europe definitely had colour film over 25 years before that plane crashed.
@@mimikurtz2162usually the way it works is spend a ton of money for the specific camera the military is going to use, then supply with the cheapest available film. We did have color film though to be serious, i have color images my grandfather took of nuclear test when he worked at the lab.
@@mimikurtz2162 The US has never been "backwards" technologically, compared to Europe, lmao. Do you have any idea how sad and old the technology in your cars was in the 1950s compared to what existed in Cadillacs and other luxury car brand models we had at the time? In 1960, Detroit was THE richest city in the US. You all still had to deal with inept A/C systems, we had automated mechanized systems that didn't show up in electronic form on more affordable cars until decades later. I forgot which car it was, but I think it was a Cadillac, but it had an automated mechanical system to lower the angle of the headlights when it detected oncoming headlights way back in the 50s or 60s. Jay Leno covered it on one of his cars. I'll add it to this comment if I can find it later.
@@moogle68 The "backward" jibe was just a dry poke at @speedyclaw2103 because he thought photography in the 1960's was still all in b&w.
On the other hand the rest of your comment is an embarrassing example of Americans' narcissistic global ignorance.
How do you think the name of America's richest city effects us? We knew about Detroit through its motor industry, blues and Motown music, but it was mostly just another industrial city.
In the 1960's we had no need of a/c. We had heaters for when it was cold but a/c was a pointless affectation in the UK climate. We didn't need or want fancy gadgets in everyday cars; we were still living in austerity while recovering from WW2 and paying USA for lend-lease.
@@mimikurtz2162 How is simply giving examples of advanced technologies and proficiency in existing ones (our AC systems just worked better than those in EU) a display of narcicism? I was trying to make an argument, not bragging for no reason. Just because you personally didn't need or want AC in the UK doesn't mean no one else did. Clearly some Brits did because it was an expensive option in cars for you all, and no business would offer something like that if there was no demand. Besides, the UK is not the whole EU. Just because the UK climate didn't benefit too much from AC doesn't mean other countries didn't want it.
Sounds to me like you're applying a lot of stereotypes to me, and willfully ignoring your own narcissistic views of being completely morally and intellectually superior to Americans in general. I'm sorry I misunderstood your original comment, that's my bad, I should've read it more carefully.
I'm so happy you mentioned the C-130 tail #321 as I worked on the aircraft in NZ when it was flown from Antarctica to New Zealand. It spent many months at CHC being made fit for the flight back to the US.
Great memories!
18:05 + -
I worked with C-130's for a year and i absolutely love these machines. A special place in my heart.
Just sat down to eat and theres a new real engineering video just perfect
My flight school is located at the same airport the LC-130s are stationed, always cool to see them up close taking off while doing your walk around
(1) I thought that all C-130s were equipped to use JATO rockets. At least the C-130E I piloted in the 80's in the Brazilian Air Force were. (2) A US Navy pilot told me about an accident he suffered while taking off from Antártida. One JATO rocket got loose during the burn and hit one of the aircraft's propellers turning at full power. Just imagine the destruction it caused... (3) I had the opportunity to watch two JATO take offs performed by Fat Albert, Blue Angels' C-130. It's truly impressive! (4) Thanks for the video! 👏👏👏
Newer H models didn't come equipped with JATO attachment points due to the higher powered engines. The 109th C-130s are specially modified for the ice mission and JATO usage.
Excellent presentation -- thank you! My dad was a navigator with the 17th Tactical Airlift Sq., the "Firebirds," at Elmendorf AFB, Anchorage, Alaska, from 1971-75 -- the year that the (active duty USAF 17th TAS) transferred its Arctic/ski-model C-130 mission over to the NYANG at Schenectady, NY. Those airframes were (early) C-130A/D-6, with just a few having the skis (largest aircraft skis made), early Allison T-56 engines, three-bladed props, and JATO bottle augmentation. The ski-models supported the distant radar sites on the Greenland icecap, operating from (then) Thule and Sonderstrom Air Bases, as well as other Arctic missions on snow/ice sites. The other (non-ski) -130s of the squadron supported the many DEW (Distant Early Warning) radar and military sites around the periphery of mainland Alaska and the Aleutians.
In the mid-1970s, there was a mishap on the Greenland icecap, resulting in the loss of one of the ski -130s: I believe it was during a missed approach landing attempt, with the left wingtip striking the surface and bringing the aircraft down and sliding to a halt. The left wing folded down at the root, with the #2 engine prop tips cutting a narrow gash into the fuselage -- tragically, killing a Danish national passenger seated in the (folding) troop seat at that location.
Much has changed since, with NYANG's 109th Sq. operating in both Arctic and Antarctic missions -- progressively upgrading the versatile Hercules airframe to the LC-130s newer engines and props. There is one of the original 17th TAS's C-130A/D-6s, with skis, old engines and props, and the signature gray & red livery, sitting outside at the (fantastic!) Pima Air Museum, Tucson, AZ -- tired and weatherbeaten now, but really good to have such a unique example kept for all of us to be able to walk up to and see. I recall seeing my dad's (then) crowded nav station, with sextant, heavy case full of polar nav charts, celestial sight-reduction table pubs, stop-watch and big, ol' Hamilton 24hr navigator chronometer, dividers, plotters, and all of the heavy analog instruments, radar repeater, LORAN tube, and life support gear. NO GPS then.
During the Namao airshows decades ago, just north of Edmonton Alberta, it was awesome watching C-130 doing JATO take offs. They also did LAPES, low altitude parachute extraction system, with a yellow bulldozer.
The Alberta Government air services had a DC-3 to ferry MLAs to n from small towns. It had 2 JATO bottles for taking off from small runways. It's still on display at the Reynolds Museum in Wetaskiwin.
I’ve seen the rocket assisted takeoff on a C-130 in person and it’s so cool.
So as a Winnipeger who experiences those low temperatures on a yearly basis(I'm an outdoor worker on top of everything). The idea of some guy telling me to go inside makes me think of doing the Ron Swanson "I know more than you" dismissive line he gives to a home building store employee.
Marine KC-130 mechanic here, I worked on aircraft equipped with the 4 blade props. They were susceptible to hydraulic leaks in cold weather (hydraulics controlled the variable pitch props). The USMC sold/transferred all our aircraft which were then equipped with the NP-2000 8 blade props. Other than the performance increase, I hope the engineers figured out this issue, but its good to see these old hercs still operating in the harshest environments in the world! great video!
Love your videos!!! One of these days you should do one on the insane engineering of 5 axis milling machines. I am a prototype machinist and really think a video explaining how they track points in vector space on the fly and interpret code to do 5 axis toolpaths would be a good video.
I agree. That would be really cool.
Where we live in Canada, we occasionally encounter -40° for a few days mid winter and have devised a few strategies to deal with it. We stay inside.
We’ve built the woodshed IN the house, ‘cause i’m not going out there.
Fantastic video. The LC-130 pilots and crews are some of the most skilled aviators you will see anywhere. I was incredibly lucky to be aboard an LC-130 doing a deep field (no prepared ski way) landing in Marie Byrd Land, Antarctica. It was one of the most memorable experiences of my life. As the Information Officer for the New Zealand Antarctic Programme, I was also in Antarctica in 1988 when "321", the LC-130 that shot itself down, was recovered. Great to see these aircraft still flying and assisting the National Science Foundation.
The "weird as shit" caught me off guard
The multiple swears in the first 3 minutes caught me really off guard. I sometimes watch these with my young kids, as I'm sure others do. I'm disappointed that he's begun to do that.
^^^And I'm disappointed your kids have you as a parent. Thanks for raising another soft pansy of an individual.
I live near an air base and the sounds of the C-130 roaring overhead is incredible, particularly with the low altitude they fly over my area at. Really awesome seeing a video on these rather cooler variants!
what a fucking blessed saturday
Yep
This video is giving me "Thrust-Issues"
So excited to watch this! I've lived near the 109th all my life. As a kid, C130s used to take off over our house all day long. When I was an engineer at General Electric, they used to fly over the campus repeatedly running exercises. I live a little further away now, but they still fly out over my house and turn around. I always stop and watch when they fly over. We occasionally catch them doing touch and go's at Albany Airport. Well done Brian!
A friend of mine ws in the Air National Guard making flights to Antartica. He once told me that they often have to make several very low passes (feets above the runway) before the actual landing. It was to progressively knock down any snow drifts (actually ones thet have iced over) so they can have a smoother landing.
I was assigned to Antarctic Development Squadron Six (VXE-6) in the early 80s and was a pilot on the LC-130. We made a lot of open-field landings but rarely had to shoot JATO. I did have to make one JATO takeoff during my last deployment and that was, I believe, the only one that year. We always carried 8 JATO bottles anytime there was a planned open-field landing. At one point, JATO was pre-positioned at the other manned stations. However, during the inventory at one of the stations, it was discovered that someone had tried to trigger the ignition one of the bottles during the previous winterover. (Fortunately, that person was unsuccessful.) After that, all the bottles were moved back to McMurdo Station. Using JATO at a manned station wasn't necessary since you wouldn't be stranded in a potential survival situation.
fun fact. the newest models of C-130's the "C-130-J" only have six bladed props. MP-2000's are only on "legacy" aircraft like C-130H and the LC-130, and not all of them.
I used to live near the Schenectady NY Airport where the 109th is based. I was in Civil Air Patrol in the early 80's and 2010 - 2015. Back then the commander of our squadron was also a LC0-130 Pilot, and I was able to get several rides on a LC-130. In the 80's, we got to fly to Florida and back. Really cool plane, but quite noisy inside.
It is amazing how you can tell if a person is from the military just by the way they talk, very controlled, very clear, little inflection.
I for sure would say that this is one of the most serious, entertaining and instructional videos of aircraft technique I've seen for years.
No fuss, no senseless chatter and uproaring blockbuster background sounds but: completely unagitated and yet enthusiastic
about the subject matter being worked on/dealt with/observed.
Thanks to the team, thanks to the pilots and technicians who have shared their knowledge with you and thus with us,
and for dedicating their lives to this valuable, challenging and somewhat dangerous task.
My dad was a chief mechanic for these birds for over 30 years. Went on countless missions, including the one where one of these birds got stuck in a massively deep crevasse.
I also got to fly on them a few times and tag along with my dad at work back in the day.
I’m in Antarctica now. I work in fuels. We are currently getting things ready for the summer season here, and the main body of scientists and support personnel in October. The LC-130’s will be here soon!
How does one get a job there?
@3:03 I hear that Green Dot Aviation intro song
Yeah, just realised it’s UA-cam stock music after hearing it and wondering when the series of events leading to disaster was going to start
I was part of night drop operation testing with c-130s in USA. So cool watching them drop in and hit the smoke marker allmost dead on in pitch black. Also those goggles nightvision the military get is literally daylight. Its like u turned the sun back on its amazing
Wait a minute, WHAT ARE YOU DOING IN THE ARCTIC ?!?!?!?
He got lost in the way to the fridge, Happens to the best of us
Went to the store for some milk…
Arctic base... WHY? Turned left not right...?
😅😅
@@plackt Dad??
happens to me too, especially when im half asleep lol XD
Congrats on crossing the arctic circle. I was surprised to see people in the cabin not wearing artic gear. When I was stationed in the arctic in the early 80s, CFS Alert, the rules were that we had to be in full arctic gear, mukluks, wind pants, pants, long underwear, shirt, jacket, parka, tuque and mitts, from the time the C130 crossed the arctic circle until the time the plane landed at its destination. Same was true heading back south, full gear until the plane crosses the arctic circle.
One of my favourite documentaries on this channel.
Ooooh, that's a neat variant of the Herc!
For the Nebula ad, thank you so much for not just making it a standard ad like some channels have, but have given an actual hook as to what I could see if one were to subscribe. Far too many sponsor ads in general contain generic information, and not something that features something specific to the channel itself (or is tongue in cheek, like Jay Foreman's ads are)
C-130. Ignore any other suffix or prefix. Is the greatest plane of all time
That was interesting about sometimes starting the roll with 100% flaps (presumable to lighten the load on the skis) and then backing off to 50% flaps because a 100% flap takeoff is sketchy due to lack of aileron authority. Huge props to that pilot who won the Air Medal for surviving a dual engine-out takeoff and saving his crew. I had no idea the C130 had that type of issue.
Huge props…?
What was not mentioned in the discussion of flaps is the cost in drag of the greater lift they provide. At any given speed and angle of attack, the greater lift possible from flaps comes with a disproportionately greater drag. If it were not so, you would want the wing permanently configured to that airfoil. At 100% your acceleration is notably decreased on takeoff, both on and off the ground. For the shortest liftoff your ability to do so at a lower speed with the chosen flap setting must compensate for the longer distance to reach that speed because of its resulting drag. The decrease in ski drag you buy at that cost must be considered in the trade offs. On liftoff, the increasing speed provides increasing lift potential, so flaps are transitioned up in steps for less drag, giving better acceleration and/or faster/steeper climb. The pilots are balancing competing demands and benefits, and as mentioned they do so at each stage of a takeoff. Flaps are usually left at one setting during takeoff, but in extreme conditions as the pilot described adjustments for each phase may be necessary.
Non-pilot, definitely not a CFI, just a non-graduating college physics major who also took ground school and got 59/60 on the FAA written, who has thought long and as carefully as he could about such things, so take this with all due respect (which conceivably is none).
P.S. The written was taken ca. 1980. I am curious how I would do now taking it cold given aviation changes and my state of memory, although I have followed aviation from an interested outsider’s perspective since then.
@@For_What_It-s_Worth Yes, huge props to the guy who won the Air Medal... Maybe that wasn't the best term to use in this case (lol) but it generally means that I think he did a good job, as I think virtually anyone who wins that caliber medal while doing something incredibly difficult deserves praise. They could have all died if he didn't do exactly what was necessary in the moment. I doubt anyone was training for the rockets flying off and taking out both engines on one side in that era. And I didn't know that the C-130 had control authority issues with even one engine out.
Anyway, they mentioned that they sometimes start with 0 flaps and go to 50%, presumably for more speed like you're talking about. And it probably just depends on snow/ice conditions. I can imagine them using full flaps at first when there's a few fresh inches on the ground just to pop it up above the snow kinda like a skier or snowboarder leans back in fresh powder. And maybe using 0% to 50% in ice or short runways? I really dont' know and wish they went into it more.
I used to do the 0 to 50 or even 0 to 100 in a WW2 air combat sim on nearly every takeoff depending on the aircraft and loadout for the same reasons you mention. But I had also never heard of _that_ before in real life because usually you want the aircraft configured for the takeoff you wanna do and not have to rely on the flaps not malfunctioning at the critical moment where you cross the point of no return. But these guys have a lot more options if something malfunctions since they're on a flat ice sheet.
The reason I mentioned the 100 to 50 scenario was because it was so incredibly more unusual than even that (to me, at least. like you, I'm no expert and am just very interested in these things). But I've snowboarded in powder before and it can be incredibly sticky until you reach a minimum speed. Anyway, great discussion.
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At first I thought, “Of course one out is no big deal with a correct, quick input. That’s one barn door of a vertical stab.”
Your “control authority issues with even one engine out” puzzled me, ‘til I reviewed 15:13 - 16:35 .
100% flaps, full power, slow flight on takeoff - ah ,yes!
A less drastic version of our Air Medal man’s predicament.
“I can imagine them using full flaps at first…just to pop it above the snow…”
16:35 - 16:57. Yup. You got that right.
It was fun to come across Verified Good to my analytically derived ideas on staged flaps. I had considered parasitic &/or induced drag vs. lift being unneeded until rotation and come up with that.
Pilot workload would be a concern. If it is not necessary, it could well be detrimental without a reward; insufficient return on investment.
This made me think of Occam’s statement of his Razor, “Don’t multiply entities unnecessarily.”
Restated, “The simplest explanation that fits all the facts is to be preferred.”
Or in this out-of-context application, “The simplest safe takeoff…”.
If you have plenty of runway, don’t get cute.
Of course there’s that Nampa, Idaho guy who just took off in something like 5’, brakes locked, in STOL competition…
Cheers!
The C-130 is such a cool aircraft, honestly. Simple, versatile, and effective
The animation going crazy, love this new style 🎉
I was a crew chief on the LC-130 from 2004 to 2010 with the 109th Airlift Wing. Been to Antarctica 3 times and Greenland 5 times. Was an awesome experience!
13:00 how do you even know when to flare in weather like that? No horizon, no ground features, no lights. Just hold attitude and radar-altimeter your way down, I guess?
Hundreds of hours of practice as well
Brought back some memories. Spent 12 years on C-130's. Got to work on everything except the ski-birds. Awesome aircraft.
Got to spend some time with the NP2000's when they were being tested. I think they had them on a Wyoming bird. If you're a maintainer, the Electronic Valve Housing is a big deal and makes things easier. Also got to work on one of the Credible Sport birds. She was still under modification when it was cancelled and sent back to her unit. She still had a lot of little mods that we had to work around. The other one was at the museum at Robins AFB, but they didn't want to spend the money on her and she's now in the woods as an ABDR trainer.
As for the JATO, never got to use it, but did have to mount the bottles once for training. That is NOT an easy job. And there is no hope for you if you accidentally detach one. Pretty sure there's still a chunk missing from the flightline at Dyess, and an Airman still getting his ass chewed for it.
The C-130 hercules can do anything
Tea?
In the early 70’s the “ski birds” flew out of Elmendorf AFB to resupply the Thule Greenland radar sight. Our shop would on occasion have one of the skis in for repair. They are incredibly heavy and no doubt were the reason for JATO assisted takeoff. Part of the repair was replacing the Teflon sheeting on the lower surface as well as repairing banged up chines. Amazing machines.
Have been "fortunate" enough to ride the LC-130s to/from/around Antarctica many a time. They're cool and all, but the 109th's fleet is really showing its age... I chatted with one of the captains a few years back, and he was telling me that a lot of these are '60s/'70s airframes. Seems like they break down more often every season... but hard to convince the government to drop the cash for replacements.
Hearing the drone of the Herc engines at the South Pole is a core memory of mine. They keep the engines running, because if they turned them off, they might not be able to start them again... I'll hear those engines in my dreams.
What could they be replaced with?
@@Shinkajonot J models if i want to keep my job lol
Whoever made the visuals of going from the view on the plane side into the rocket did amazing
Anytime i see a C-130: HERCULES! HERCULES! HERCULES!
Great video!
what unbelievable access you got for this. the candid interviews with the crew are amazing!
Great video! I gotta say though, what an awkward way to interview the pilot and have him constantly trying to turn around to talk to you lol
engineer’s seat isn’t great for interviews lol
This was bloody great. Everything I wanted to know about JATO and arctic operations!
Do you think we could get a video about C-130s in general? They have a vast amount of capabilities and one of the most diverse airframes to exist with all of their models. They dont get the love that they deserve
This plane with those rockets would make such a badass intro to a movie. This needs to happen. I don't think there's one movie that features it.
Another great video - must have been a superb experience for the crew making this
7:18 so I'm accustomed to sub 40 and 50 weather. Upon hitting 40, you do have to be careful with exposed skin even in areas that have significant blood flow. This is true even if you keep the core of your body nice and warm and all of the extremities nice and warm, it is most dangerous at -50. You would say it well duh... But it's not a linear danger, it goes up much quicker than you would think for each degree. Doesn't matter if it's Fahrenheit or Celsius. One of the key things is not to overdress, while still making sure you have the right clothing to maintain good core temperature. The reason not to overdress, has to do with perspiration. Any preparation is death at these temperatures. If you find yourself perspiring in any way or form, you need to get the f*** out of the weather and into some form of shelter. I'm able to use clothing that is normally reserved for most people for zero Celsius, or 32 Fahrenheit. This is partly because I get acclimated, it's also just who I am, apparently I come from a line of people who really liked cold weather. So if you are in that type of situation and you are planning on being relatively static, you need heavier clothing, if you plan on being in that situation but are going to be walking around, you going to need more breathable clothing or less of it. The two things you should not skimp on at all, boots that don't restrict your circulation and are appropriate for the activity you're planning on doing, and gloves that protect your hands. You should also be extremely careful with your ears, and probably the tip of your nose, though the cheeks are also vulnerable, though much less so. But the most important thing, is that you continuously self-assess your fingers, your toes, your ears, your nose. It has to be second nature to constantly check that you're not going to start perspiring, that you're not showing signs of overly cold or overly numb extremities. If you do those things, it's actually quite pleasant to be in that type of weather. The sound of the very crunchy snow under your feet, the beautiful landscape that usually accompanies it, the relatively noiseless environment around you. It feels clean, tastes clean, smells clean. I would walk in Siberia for hours in sub negative 40 weather, My Siberian friends actually thought I was nuts, and couldn't believe that not only did I do that but I lived. But it's really all about perspiration, and self-awareness. You can use very light clothing and survive in these temperatures if you do it just right. But always make sure that you're near some form of shelter that you can get to quickly, because the moment you start showing any signs of numbness or other negative signs, like you started to perspire because you walked on a very hard patch of deep snow, you need to head to that shelter immediately or you will lose something or everything
I will most likely never experience that level of environmental challenge, but your essay is getting copy/pasted into my notebook.
Thanks.
great videos.
both this main as the King of the North and the Behind the Scenes Interview.
I do wonder having seen it all how much more material in B shots and what not there is.
Like in the Behind the Scenes you do show a bit of things not even seen here. but It looked so fun to just see.
I am honest to say I just want to see much more of it. Its that fun.
Strapping rocket pods onto the side of a propeller plane? Whoa! That’s a thing!? My Honda could use a couple of those rocket pods!
@RealEngineering Could your next insane engineering be about the a350 thx
I worked on the very first C-130 B model....54...or 57-0001.....given to the Equidorian Air Force by the USAF......what a unit!!!!
26:39 Imagine casually smoking a cigarette, tossing it, and suddently the bin takes off vertically at mach 0.5 like a V2
Hell yeah
2:45 I legitimately thought a green dot aviation video started playing somehow... I thought that was only their intro music but I guess it's royalty free music.
I can't believe you got so much interview time with that pilot, super interesting stuff.
Amazing as always. I love the juxtaposition between Lt. Col Dickerson in uniform and Brian in UA-cam hat and SCI-FI FANTASY hoodie. The best!
17:07 --- !!
got the shot! I take it the camera didn't survive??
Sim.
I have a DVD I used to watch as a kid about these planes, this was both nostalgic and informative.
This has to be one of the most Kerbal designs ever produced, I love it!
"I think it was vastly cooler" has be a high-grade Dad level pun
I really enjoyed the slightly different presentation of this film, especially the parts you're presenting to camera. It's really engaging, and I realise it's probably not your comfort zone but I thought it made a big difference to the film.
The C-130 is such a versatile air-frame. I had the pleasure of riding in one based out of Kodiak Coast Guard base during one of its "milk runs" to Anchorage.
Need to precision drop critical lifesaving gear to a fishing boat in the middle of the Northern Pacific ocean ? Coast Guard C-130
Need to move supplies to a dirt road in a combat zone? C-130
Need to fly weather equipment into the through middle of a raging hurricane? C-130
Need a close air support flying tank? Strap a tank 105 mm Cannon to the side and call it the AC-130.
As an Air Cadet from Canada. Take a flight to Newfoundland... November temps and windchill at -20.. High Alpha short take off on a reg. CF-130.. in the Jump seat is a wild ride!!
Wow, the jato assist is pretty rare if if remember. I met the squadron in Schenectady NY (where they are based) and they were testing the new 8? prop design in order to reduce the need for JATO rockets. Freaking cool man
Crazy how connected some content is. Not long ago I've watched a video on The B1M named 'Why Arctic Airports Are Built With Explosives' which was about the three newly planned and build airports in Greenland.
I love how they analyze the snow conditions before takeoff. With their own eyes, with their own feet on the ground. 💯
I've been on a Hercules, seen the rocket-assisted takeoff, love that plane. And the pilots treated my family so well.
Most comfortable seats on any aircraft 👍
Here in New Zealand, Christchurch to be exact and these beautiful birds mainly fly out of Christchurch along side some of C-17, also one of my favorite. The RNZAF has had the Hercules almost since they were first launched and now we have just taken delivery some brand new ones! Yes the brand New C-130’s is a real boost.
The C-130 can drop all sorts of ordinance out its back door, eg Cruise missiles etc, sub hunting nasties.
We also now have new Poseidon sub hunters….yes the very latest.
I love that the video quality is getting better and better. It looks crazy
One of the most interesting part of your videos is the quality of the animation
Most of these rocket boosters you see on various C130 were invented in the 1970s for a secret mission to rescue American hostages in Iran.
The intention was to land one inside a soccer field and take off again. Which required both rearward, downward and forward facing rocket boosters.
Now the rearward ones are mostly used
If you haven't seen it yourself, the plane lifts off so unnaturally, it's so cool.
Thanks for covering one of my favorite types of C-130's!
C-130 Engine troop right here so I HAD to watch this and it was great. The part at the end with propellers really had my interest. I wish i could work on those new propellers! However, as Im active duty we got rid of all of our H models. (The National Gaurd has them now.) We have the more modern J models using Rolls Royce AE2100D3 engines with the 6 blade propellers.
The H model c130 uses 4 allison T56 engines, usually fitted with the 4 bladed propeller with a mechanical valve housing. The LC-130 ofc has the much mych better octagons (8 bladed propellers) with an electronic valve housing which makes it so so much easier to work on. Im sure the national gaurd appreciates that.
However despite not being able to work on these cool planes, I actually still do like the J models. Far more modern and easy to fix and dont break as often. Theres also much much less safety wire which just makes work far quicker and easier.
MFE!!!
Interesting fact about the whole 4 bladed propellers and the mechanical valve housing.
I was told back during my technical training that the valve housings on the 4 blad props were so old and complicated that only like 4 or 5 people are still around who really knew how to fix them for the deeper maintenance lol.
22:46 - It may be the Jet Lag speaking… I’ve spent many overnights on cold / dark arctic ramps …and their shrivel factor makes it extremely difficult to achieve Major Wood 🪵 with the sub zero environmental influence. It must be tough navigating the Arctic with Mj. Wood 😮
Sincerely,
Pilot Inny
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