As a noob when it comes to networking/server/ all this kind of stuff. Feel like we could use a total "switch your life to local" video showing how to set up a local video streaming library and storage system to get rid of subscriptions
I'm surprised you didn't mention one of the best parts... The Wiki page for the CM3588 has PCB CAD files, including PCB layout, and a STEP file for the board which would make printing a case for this thing a breeze!
Is that really the best part? I know all the 3D printing people out there will love it, but despite what those people think, 3D printing is incredibly niche. Even for people that watch this sort of content.
@@TurinAlexander most public libraries these days have 3d printers that you can use, not the most convenient way.... but if you don't have a printer and want something printed... it's usually free or has a very very small fee
“Affordable” in that the 4TB drives are $180 each! This thing as configured by Linus is nearly $1000. I realize you can use 2TB drives but it would still be about $600 that way. That’s a lot of hassle and nearly 5 years of cloud storage.
@@fuelvolts i mean im sure in the future there prob will be sata versions of this or even buy some cheap adapters, and even so u can get some cheap m2 ssd's now, ofc prices have been going back up but u can def get some deals. Ofc if ur going budget u could just plug a USB external hard drive into your router or get a bunch of refurb hard drives but the software pointed out for mobile is def a new addition to my life
@@fuelvolts1. 16TB cloud storage cost 6usd/TB (Backblaze B2), making it 1000 bucks a year. Apple iCloud cost 60usd x12 = 700usd a year. 2. All your data is being actively scanned and removed on DCMA request, should you upload licensed media such as movies, songs and try to share them to other people. 3. If they were to loose your data (happened with google before), they hold 0 liability. 0 responsibility. It’s written in the the small text when you sign up for the service… Sure, if you only need 2TB, then a iCloud for 5usd/month is totally fine. But a 2TB SSD can be bought new for 60usd as well…
@@fuelvolts that price is for fast storage, as mentioned in the video, just run 3.5" drives and pay less then 1/4 of the price. pretty sure you can get 12TB drives for under 200. for NVME storage, 180 for 4TB IS affordable. even at these slower speeds (compared to gen 4/5 etc) youve still got the convenience of 1. less likely for a physical failure (in terms of the HDD dying etc) and 2. way smaller / quieter. a couple 3.5" drives will be bigger than the entire PCB. I've got my old PC converted to a NAS, also using openmedia, and it works great
@@Suchtzocker, in the US 330i is less than the average annual take-home. In the EU it's nominally far more expensive and take-home is much lover. It means the average postgrad with few years of experience can't afford a lease. PPP in reality.
Great video, finally a large channel showing people that a NAS is not some black box with black magic inside, but something quite simple. And that currently ARM boards can be used for it pretty comfortably. I've been running a NAS powered by a raspberry pi 4 for over 2 years and it never failed (knock knock)
While it's cool, it doesn't sync everything like iCloud does, including contacts, messages, settings and apps/data. I'm not an iPhone guy, but I have to give Apple credit for their truly 100% backups, no Android does a 100% backup. The only other way to do it is pulling a manual backup locally via iTunes.
Everything you mentioned can be backed up on modern Android phones. Its just that some apps choose to opt-out of full backup. And not all settings can be transferred between different android operating systems.
@@BillAnt The average person's storage usage is mostly media. With that out of the picture, the 50 GB 99¢/mo tier or maybe even the 5 GB free tier become significantly more workable.
I was happy to see Linus mention the 321 rule and offsite backup. The solution in this video is good for my phone data. I want my really important data backed up both locally and offsite, in case my house burns down.
@technowey, back it up onto an SSD and give it to your grandmother, for safe keeping, in case your house burns down. Just make sure Grandma knows what it is, and not to use it to level the end table in her living room.
@@odonovan Offline backups are fine for static data, but non-static data should be backed up off site more often. The solution I use is to have a small server at a relatives house, and my important data gets backed up their nightly from the NAS. Additionally, my most important data is backed up nightly to B2. I don't backup a ton there so my cost is about $20/year.
If that ever happens I always told myself the hard drive would be the first thing I save from a fire lol.
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With me maintaining support for Rockchip SoCs in the mainline Linux Kernel for a bit over 10 years now, it's really nice to see a Rockchip SoC in the "mainstream" media ;-)
Thank you for your persistence. The RK3588 is definitely a game changer in the Arm based SBC world after the aging RK3399, considering that the broadcom chip on RPi5 is standing still.
I see what Elijah is doing… by subconsciously demonstrating that he can “wear many different hats” he is maneuvering himself into a generous raise because he literally “wears many different hats”! We can all learn some next level shizz from the 4D chess master, Elijah! 😂
ok "William" ... Nice fake name Elijah.. maybe you can make a video on how to make fake youtube hbots that hype you up to get raises at work.. that would be useful
We saved $14 doing this trick. Thank you! That being said we spent $783 of our own time sourcing the parts, learning how to do it and setting it all up...
Telling that you feel $783 is a large investment. Don't go total most people's outlay for streaming services and cloud storage over the years. You might be disappointed. Also it's not like the time and effort doesn't come with the added value of knowing some stuff that could make you dough later. Linux, network, storage, etc still pay fairly well. Not to mention building and selling these rigs to friends and family when they see how well yours works. Sounds like a solid value to me.
I saved a few pennies in undergrad by going full-on open-source DIY, and doing things like this. Maybe my life would've been simpler if I'd just gotten a part-time job with all that time and paid big companies to replace that. But you know what? I graduated with a degree in a non-techie profession, and a giant stack of niche tech knowledge on the side; and it's that knowledge that landed me one of the best jobs in my entire industry, where I get to do more or less whatever I want, and set my own exhorbitant hourly rates because I'm one of the very, very few individuals who has this set of knowledge in addition to my professional degree. Turns out this kind of enthusiast knowledge pays big, fat dividends if you have enough of it and some other, complimentary skillset.
I used a raspberry pi and 2 2TB SSD drives with a custom made water + fan cooling system and I got it under 250$ Raspberry pi 4 2gb ram - RS 7000 - 80$ 2x 2TB SSD - RS 10000 (RS 5000 each) - 119$ Custom made cooling system - RS250 - 3$ Others(cat6 wire, power supply, etc) - RS 100 - 1.5$ Total: 203.5 ~ 205$ or RS 20050 RS --> INR
That's why I stopped watching his videos. Like just one long ad masked as a technical how-to video. Only reason I stumbled upon this is because I was looking for a cheap, small NAS that wasn't a raspberry pi since the pi5 isn't that cheap anymore. There is also click bait/misleading. The description say "This tiny computer is so small it can fit in your pocket and have over 30TB of SSD Storage. For under $100 you can have a powerful ARM based board to call youre own!" then in the video they end up with 11TB and says it cost $165 just for one of NVMe drives alone! LMAO
@@joesalz9963 Heh, and today, 2 weeks after it posted, following the link in the description for the NVME drives takes me to an Amazon page selling them for $226 each. So while the end of the video shows this rig as outfitted as costing $825, if you buy everything using LTT's very links today, it will cost $1,093 (the 16GB RAM option on FriendlyElec went up as well, and LTT didn't include the cost for a power supply).
@@joesalz9963 100% agree man, this is the same reason i found the video and was so disappointed when i came back after not watching for a year ish... it has gotten even worse over time!
Literally was contemplating buying ugreen's $500 nvme device, but not anymore thankyou linus. But sadly the built in storage options are out of stock so I'll be waiting to buy then.
@@artemisfowl127Depends, UGreen's solution is out of box ready that I would recommend someone's mom to get if they need one in the house. LTT's solution is a tinkerer's solution where it doesn't even come in a box to house the chip in.
If you don’t want the DIY then the UGreen NASync (or even another solution like the Synology DiskStation) would work. If you’re ok with the DIY and the cost of all-flash, then the FriendlyElec is for you.
Great piece, i got the 250gbEmmc storage and 32GB ram edition from amazon. Strange thing was that the 4TB gen4 m.2 ssd's were cheaper than their gen3 brothers. Not that it matters, read/write speeds will not rise above the 2500mbit transfer rates.
It would be interesting to see a video on tips for setting up a 3-2-1 backup solution. If this video covers my NAS, what do I build for on-site backup? What do I build for off-site backup? Any tips for places to put off-site backup other than "parents' house" or "friend's house?"
Yeah this is the issue. I back up my local backups to google cloud just because I don't have my own "offsite" location I can stand up another storage server. Maybe a video on colocation services and things like that would be handy.
It's not automatic, but your office works. Have an encrypted external SSD that you load your backup on once a month and store it in your locker/ locked desk drawer at work.
I don't know if a video could be useful, because it's more of a debate rather than a simple topic they could cover. How much data are you backing up? Do you need all of it backed up? Do you REALLY need all of it backed up? What is available to you? What's your threshold for maximum inconvenience? Some people don't want to hear it, but there's nothing wrong with using cloud for off-site storage, as long as the limitations aren't too limiting for your use case. For use-cases like photos, having them in your phone, backing up to cloud and periodically storing them on your PC fulfills 3-2-1, with the added advantage that you're always carrying one of the devices with you, and the off-site storage can be accessed wherever you can get an internet connection. And with photos, it's unlikely you will need more than one of the cheap basic tiers which cost something like 1-5$ a month.
For cold archives - Encrypt and compress, dump it to Backblaze, they'll mail you a hard drive. For rolling backups... I haven't figured that out yet :/ But I think NextCloud may be the solution.
These are my favorite type of tech video. Showing off a practical application of niche hardware that I never would have known about otherwise. I genuinely think I'm going to order one and copy this setup.
There's a subtle difference though, you're reaponsible for your own data now. You store on fhe cloud and it's their problem, ans they'll damn sure use redundancy to have several bavkups ready in cases of disasters. If you pay for redundancy thw cloud storags is a decent option, not for 2tb, but for 250gb it's fine. Probably best to diversify storage and backups to tolerate risks and hardware failures and balance costs.
@@halomika4973and also, even if the cloud provider some how loses your data, theyll just get slap on the wrist and youll get 10 bucks in a class action
@@robertwilsoniii2048 Double your investment and have two NAS servers - place them in different rooms under different breakers. Make one primary and backing up to secondary. Your PERSONAL data is not in the hands of a 3rd party which shifts is privacy and protection policy every 3 months. Major Corps are going to run you thru multiple ai phone menus's that will hide putting you in touch with a LIVE person. So they can have you running in circles for months or years trying to get your data back. Just take responsibility for your own Data.
That's a nice little kit! A note: unless you pay for Photosync Premium ($6.50/year), you're not getting automatic backups. If your only use of iCloud/Google Drive is file/photo storage, then this is a good solution. If you're relying on syncing app data across devices, then you're better off just staying with Apple or Google cloud storage for peace of mind & ease of use, and keeping a local NAS-based backup of your main computer.
The problem, as briefly mentioned in the video, is the 3-2-1 rule, which stipulates that one copy of your data must be kept offsite. Cloud storage solves this, whereas your own NAS (kept at home) does not. I suppose you could keep it at a friend's house, but then you'd also have to ask them to poke holes in their firewall which they may be unwilling (or unable) to do. There are also the value-adds for "official" cloud services, such as easy document sharing with others, full device backup, iCloud Relay, Hide My Email, and again, not having to poke holes in your firewall to access your data outside your network. I can see the value of a home NAS if you just have several TB of ancient photos and videos you want to offload from your device, but even then you should still pay for some form of cold/archival storage offsite to satisfy the 3-2-1. Personally, I pay $3/mo for 200gb of iCloud storage, and IMO it's money very well spent.
You dont need to poke holes through their firewall, you can poke holes through your own firewall, and configure your remotely hosted NAS to VPN **to you** connecting your nas to your network as if it were right next to you.
You also have the “how do I sync with the NAS when away from my network” issue. Wait until you’re back isn’t great and doesn’t compare to the cloud. Poke holes in the firewall is asking for trouble, and use a VPN can be beset by issues - one of which is patchy connectivity and the other is much reduced battery life. I know because I’ve tried.
@@pantoqwerty Nonsense. I'm a web dev who works from home. I have huge blocks of open IPs on my firewall and anywhere from zero to several hundred people connected at once. I just have a standard home Internet plan with my ISP. My services run on a standard PC that's nearly a decade old, now (i7). I've been working like this for decades. I honestly don't even know what you're talking about. You clearly have other issues. As a web dev, I'm also renting plenty of rack space but certain tasks just make a LOT more sense to host yourself (mostly, high CPU\low bandwidth stuff).
@@igotnoname4557 So you have several hundred people connected on your firewall at a time? Hardly a run of the mill appliance on a bog standard connection then else they’d be seriously contended. That you don’t know what i’m talking about is neither here nor there. VPN connections drain phone batteries. Fact. When your phone is locked it won’t generally keep the connection active and will activate it when you unlock it - you’ll see the VPN indicator go on and off. That’s an extra delay and inconvenience as you wait for it to reconnect. Native cloud services to a phone will work in the background. I host plenty of services but I refuse to expose them externally and VPN connectivity to them is a pain in the arse for the given reasons.
Best intro ever. Please do more like intros like this. The only problem I'm having with my NAS is that my work blocks remote access to my NAS at home from the office. Google and Microsoft cloud storages aren't blocked.
Great job on the video and information Linus! Cloud storage is still good for a offsite backup, unless you have a fire safe to keep your external backup drives in and rotate them often.
Ngl this interests me massively. I love how tiny and compact this is. I have been running thinking of setting up a nas at home and something this small that supports m.2 SSDs. Sure it will cost a bit to set up like yours but as you said that's a one time cost and I like how easy it would be to upgrade the pcb while keeping the drives or keep the pcb and change the drives (if one died or something).
I really liked the intro! It was a bit confusing because it wasn't clear what the relationship was between a homemade NAS and phone snatchers until Linus brought it back up it part way through the video, but very inventive! Keep up the good work, Elijah.
Only issue with pricing is with the "need a third copy off site" you're sort of back to page one with needing to pay a subscription fee for the redundant copy in the cloud if you don't have someone willing to let you host a duplicate of this setup in their house somewhere else for free.
maybe it would be worth it to set up a mutual backup partnership with someone else; store their encrypted backup files on your NAS, and they let you store your encrypted backups on theirs. All data is safe, and it's a win-win.
I have a deal with a friend. We bought two identical system, (old elitedesk, 100$ on ebay, plus the drives), we set them up to turn on, backup, and then turn off automatically (with the help of a smart plug, we both have home assistant). We setup a VPN for that, and we only need to open the port for a couple of hours every month basically. Sure, there is a bit of "trust factor" involved, but I can live with that, I called him a friend for a reason. I have his, he has mine. It has worked quite nicely for the past 2 years. It has the added bonus that whenever something doesn't work, you have another guy helping you (because he will eventually have the same issue having the same setup hardware and software). It's less convenient than a cloud storage, not much cheaper (I think break even was around 19 months all considered, and that's until a drive fails), but we both enjoy the satisfaction of fixing something and doing something ourselves.
External hard drive at work. Copy out backup once in three months. Worst case scenario you're losing 3 months of data, which is unlikely, cause data that fresh is probably still on your phone/computer
I am a Networking Desktop engineer, for context: Great video! very useful and practical, but for certain clientele. This is great for people who need massive storage, this will save so much $$$. However, for the average user family who only needs to back up pictures, 1tb per person (total 6 users) at $99yr, with office 365 included, hard to beat. Which is why even though I have NAS at home, its only private, not public, not worth it yet. Maybe in the future. This set up isn't for the average user but still amazing to see how compatible it is with many third party apps and powerful the device is while being very affordable.
Indeed ... also a professional cloud service solves e.g. the high availability/storage redundancy topic for you so if a regular user should setup 2 of those, operating the 2nd one in an offsite location with (appropriately fast) internet connection and backup and/or continuous sync job in place ... not to mention the configuration effort, keeping updates/security, etc. it might really just be more efficient to purchase a cloud account. I myself operate 2 NASes with RAID at 2 locations and following a proper HW lifecycle I already calculated that a cloud offering would be more efficient for me. So I just do it myself because I like it as an IT nerd 🥰 and that's why I am looking forward to getting my hands on this toy as well 😅😍.
Why continue to pay month by month for a service, when its cheaper to build your own nas, not to mention you have full control over it. Don't need internet access and such, what if you decide you are done paying for storage and you want your files back,well then you still need drives to put this on. So better off just building the nas from the get go.
@@prop19yes Again, not every user is going to be able to build this and this is not for everyone. You are assuming everyone can do this, they can't. If they could, I would not have a Job in IT 🤔 Also you are going to have to update & replace hardware overtime and failure, use up electricity and some 3rd part apps for NAS do have a cost. So yes, even CapEX and OPEX apply here. Not only companies move away from on premises while some stay, individual users do as well per their needs and evaluations. Not complicated to understand.
imo, we are headed toward a world where ppl have a home server that serves as a NAS, and runs all your apps. We gotta move away from the subscription model where every big company is fighting for a small sliver of everyones money, than has unlimited power in terms of laws over the virtual world.
@@MartinKovacik thats awesome man, and you took into account something very important that many will not: hardware life cycle. This cost is miss by some thinking this set will be upfront cost only (CapEx) but they forget about maintenance and support. And yeah this is a perfect solution for many already over paying for Cloud/NAS service. Glad this has been working for you :D I also set up a Small NAS this year for local use only, and love it.
@@seanlacroix The one I know of (M5 E60) is going on 20 years old at this point, and he's a car guy, so he's willing to spend a higher percentage on his income on cars, which most people don't want to
This is perfect. Been looking for a cheap yet effective video editing server for a while but didn't want to spend hundreds on a Synology NAS or some other home NAS. With the SATA expansions I could also just as easily use more high end SATA SSDs in the long run too for expandability.
In the meantime, this SSD solution is still far more expensive than a Synology NAS setup. The SSDs mentioned are $229 each (4TB). My 4-bay NAS + 4Sata drives = ~830 This board + 4SSDs = $1100 The performance won't be the same, and that's certainly reflected in the price. If you can get the SSD->SATA adapters working, then it'd definitely be an economical choice.
I must have been stuck in old video limbo because seeing a recent video featuring a cleanly shaved Linus gave me whiplash. Thanks for the video! Owning your own "cloud based storage" sounds awesome.
The big thing with cloud storage to me is not having it all in one place. If my house catches fire or a pipe bursts flooding my home, I don't want all of the copies of my most important files being in there.
Yeah this is all well and good but I'm happy to pay a "premium" for cloud storage since it's basically one click to set up and it runs independent of whether or not things are fine in my house.
Great video ! got this setup after seeing it :) I actually used another FriendlyElec product as my NAS before that, the NanoPi M4 with a 4xSata hat. But that one just used a bunch of old HDD's, and was very bulky and noisy. This board is better in every way, and setup was a breeze, I only freaked out for a while because I didn't max out my gigabit connection while transferring, even though I have pretty much the exact same setup as in your video. Took me a while to realize my network cable was attached to my monitor, so my connection speed was being maxed out by the USB connection between my PC and monitor :). I still added a 5th M.2 SSD in a cheap USB-C enclosure, that one I will use for data that does not need fault-tolerance ( e.g.: Plex or Jellyfin metadata).
No way, thats great. I was thinking of making something like this for a while and now LTT makes a video about it! I didn't understand some parts of this video (im not that knowledgable about anything server relayed, hence why watch LTT ;D), was the set up hard and how much did you end up spending on this total?
@@skyshadow28 Hmmz I thought I already replied to this but I don't see my comment. The setup was actually super easy. Just like the video mentioned, you use the image that friendlyelec provides. The only thing that takes really long is the initial configuration of the raid array (takes hours), but that is apparently normal. Now it has been running super smooth since. I suppose I spent around 1000 in total (without vat).
i've used a few dozen teamgroup mp33 & mp34 drives in various builds over the last 2-3 years & they've all been rock solid. even have 2 of the 4tb mp34 drives in my gaming rig. one of the best values for a reasonable quality drive in the ssd market imo & worthy of a strong recommendation. they have some good values on gen 4 drives that might also be worth your consideration.
There is one reason why you still need off-site storage: to protect against fire and burglary. If you could make an arrangement with a friend, preferably in another city, to exchange data you'd be sorted.
@@HectorLugo One might get into a buddy system. Team up with another data paranoid individual to host each other's backup backup backup drives. Only need a trick encryption solution to feel safe about it.
pCloud offers 10TB of cloud storage with a one time lifetime subscription for around $1100, which is honestly pretty competitive with this offering, although likely not as fast as when you're on LAN. Not saying it's a replacement for a NAS, but it could be an "affordable" option (after 2 years given current cloud storage costs) for your offsite storage option.
This would be cool but you’re also looking at $500+ for 8TB of storage these days with prices rising on solid state storage. You could build a NAS with significantly higher capacity spinners for around that much or get the same amount of space for less. You don’t have to spend a lot of money for basic file storage. my NAS is a $30 used mini pc with an i3 6100t.
Did you watch the whole video? They showed a m.2 to SATA adapter and explained that as a possibility. Also, not everyone needs 1tb of storage. I'd be perfectly content with ~1tb of storage. Four 512gb drives are _a lot_ cheaper. Not everyone stores their Linux isos and steam boat willy rips. Some of us just need photo and document backups.
@@herranton great, you can still do that far cheaper. From a mini pc to something as simple as plugging a flash drive into the USB port on your router (if equipped) or even just creating a file share on a desktop. There’s lots of options out there and this isn’t a bad one but there’s simpler ways to back up and access your files, often with equipment you may already have.
Brilliant idea. I got a used mini PC for £30 here, £7 for an SSD to use as the boot drive, then £160 for a 12TB external HDD, I hooked that up with tailscale and I have that drive acessible anywhere. I also got a 1TB HDD off ebay for £7.50. That's for my duplicates of the important files/ offline/offsite backup. The HDD is more than powerful enough. I tested 10 devices playing back video at the same time off it. It's got an i3 4130t in it I think. SSDs are wasted on projects like this because most of the time you'll be throttled by either gigabit ethernet (125 mb/second max), or if you have the infrastructure at home 2.5 gigabit ethernet (~300 mb/second max). The SSDs go up to 3000-5000 mb/second if they're attached locally. And a high capacity HDD can do (200mb/second+). And if you're away from home you'll be throttled by very slow mobile data, wifi speeds, which at best will probably be gigabit (125 mb/second), and likely far far less. Unless you're in a big big city with 5G everywhere or a very powerful wired fibre connection 2.5Gigabit+ (which again is rare outside major cities / business connections / hotel connections) - it's wasted. Plus you'll also be limited by your home internet connection. I find it hard advocating for bulk SSD storage in something like this at at least 3-4x the price, plus all the extra boards and housing, when you're not going to get or need the throughput. It could be worthwhile if you need a small form factor and hyper power efficiency, will have lots of users using it simultaneously, or are doing direct video editing off it. Or if cost is not an issue to you - that's fine too! If you're not using it super intensively, HDDs can do the job amazingly well. They'll be idle most of the time, except when you're using them. Their capacities go much higher and I'd rather have 12TB of storage for the same price of 4TB SSD drive that will go at the same speed when it's in use.
@fukov3400 but you don't have raid with one drive. If it fails, all is gone. I agree that the comparison to Google Drive 10 tb for 50 $/month is unrealistic. I just need 100 gb, if I include the photos from my camera. Also, backblaze offers unlimited backup capacity for 9$/month which would be a much better comparison, because the stated problem was backing up your photos/data from your phone.
If you are using it to store your Steamboat Willie rips (and Linux ISOs) on Plex or Jellyfin, then mechanical drives are fine. A video stream needs about 1-2 IOPS. Mechanical drives do about 50-70 IOPS, SSDs do about 300,000 to 1,500,000 IOPS. Editing videos is obviously a very different matter, and you definitely need SSDs for that.
@@mateuszzimon8216 My NAS runs on FreeBSD. It is 4 x 10TB Iron Wolves, 2 x 2TB Samsung Evo (2.5" SATA) for ARC2 and 32GB RAM. The ARC Cache (RAM) hit rate is about 99% when I am not streaming videos, so most of the time it is running at RAM drive speeds. Videos open instantly and the network is the bottleneck, but it can handle backups of my store-bought 4k BluRays just fine. I think I could remove the ARC2 and not see any difference. Probably I will at some point and replace those slots with more mechanical drives to increase capacity.
This would've been a perfect opportunity to talk about Immich. I've been looking for a NAS specifically to self host all my photos and it looks to have the closest experience to that of Google Photos. Would still be cool to see you guys do a video on it someday.
Same here, looking for an equivalent to "onedrive" (what i currently use but have to clear space every so often, no monthly plans for me) to do auto backup of photos from my and my families phones to my home seever/nas (TrueNAS).
I would like to know if that could be used really as a CLOUD as Dropbox: I configure an app and outside my network, I can just sync as Dropbox things from my laptop or phone to it. Just as a NAS … it’s cool, but lacks what I’m searching.
@@ricarmig well... Have you heard of NextCloud? You should take a look at r/selfhosted, there's so much cool stuff to host that a dropbox replacement is kinda lame. Also if you just wanna try from my experience the best way is to just do it. I use old laptop as 'server' with linux and use docker, really fun to learn. Anything can be use as server.
@@ricarmignextcloud might be what you are looking for. As long as you setup a way of accessing local resources externally, it should be a near drop in replacement for dropbox
I am working in IT and run my own server downstairs. I stopped using my server as a cloud storage for mobile sync because having such a service exposed to the internet comes with responsibility. Suddenly I have to read security notes and perform patches over night. regularly the cloud suite changed major components in the software architecture and upgrade is a challenge and you study docu and blogposts. I am back to USB cable and Netdrive on a PC
Yes, indeed, excellent point. Plus the mobile apps to do the sync are nowhere as reliable as the built-in ones. I used exactly the app they are showing in the first few seconds of this video and it was the best one I tried but still would miss synchronizing stuff automatically sometimes.
Same. I was running all kind of services, like a FOSS slack and a FOSS dropbox, and the security considerations only were insane. At some point it was cost effective to just pay the yearly subscription.
Google cloud also helps with compression of images & video files, which for a noob like me works like magic. It maintains the quality that anyone would realistically need and does all of that automatically. If this local setup could do that, then I would definitely consider setting up something like this on my own.
A really practical topic and good video! A more detailed cost breakdown would be helpful though as I'm not certain it is always cheaper. You have to include power costs (especially in Europe) drive failures and perhaps double it for the 3-2-1 rule. With Google Drive or iCloud we assume that those things are handled for us. I love tinkering but have yet to nail down a cheap, surefire storage and backup strategy that fulfils 3-2-1
In Europe the biggest storage you can have on Google Drive is 2TB for 100€/year, a board like this one with two drives is paid for in 2 years even with power costs since it doesn't consume that much. Your ISP router probably needs more power than this.
Yeah, I started the video and thought damn this could be okay but $95 is quite expensive when I can just pay a few $ a year for extra Apple storage and get unlimited photo storage with Amazon Prime. But, I could see it being convenient. To then keep adding bits that make it more and more expensive, to then be talking about a nearly $900 piece of kit in a working state. Sure if you're storing A LOT of films and whatnot, maybe that's of use for you for some reason. But, I can't see why it's even remotely reasonable at those kinds of prices for any normal user who will just have a boat load of pictures and videos they've taken themselves. Just buy an external hard drive and call it a day
Power is at most 33€ a year where I live, that's assuming 100% load 24/7 (which isn't realistic). No, Google drive or iCloud do not handle 3-2-1 for you. You can lose data on cloud, it happens. Cloud storage can at best be considered your off-site backup. The biggest hurdle people need to jump over when trying to implement 3-2-1 is realizing that perhaps they don't actually need to have backed up all of their hoarded data. Pretty much anything that can be recovered elsewhere isn't worth backing up. And 3-2-1 should only be applied to things you can't afford to lose. Let's be honest, lots of people hoard stuff they will never actually need. Once you start getting into the off-site part of storage, it's no longer just about the hardware, but also about the fact that you need to have that hardware somewhere. If it's too close to your home, it's exposed to many of the same risks as on-site. And in many use-cases it will actually turn out that Cloud isn't a bad solution, especially for low volume things like photos.
I'm currently using a Synology DS920+ NAS and I'm a big proponent of it. I even convinced my manager to have one exclusively for our department instead of being reliant on Enterprise IT servers for some of our files. This NAS I'm VERY interested in, however. It doesn't cost a lot comparatively speaking, although the big letdown right now is that the biggest M2 I've seen in our country is 2TB, and it costs as much as (or a little lower in some cases) that 4TB drive you've featured.
Your compadre there with the fedora on reminds me of my company in Bellevue WA we used to teach a lot of Red Hat Linux and we were the certification Center for Red Hat Linux in Washington. There were times when all of our trainers including me that were teaching Red Hat wore Red Hat fedoras to teach the class in. So this wonderful video you made actually brought back a very serious nostalgia pain with me from the old days of teaching so much Red Hat Linux thanks that was great. I love this little device too by the way
Yes. Cloud providers used to provide unlimited storage. Then there the lack of privacy issue which have been secretly updated in the Terms and Conditions.
as a trucker space in the cab is a premium, but I need a nas with me because of how often I'm stuck in areas with either bad or no signal. so this is right up my alley. I've tried the apex board with a cable to put it in a small form factor. I tried the 12 bay flash nas. but there's something very attractive about this so I'm going to try this as well. I think more than likely it'll end up at home and I'll get a few to make a San or something, maybe make one pool for my Plex, one pool for my steam, etc. I am really looking forward to seeing any other versions they come out with. this would be perfect if they pushed out a double side pcb letting you do 8 or more ssds, and maybe a 10g base t though at that point I don't think the chip would handle it. but we're getting there!
SSD-based NAS solutions have unique constraints in regard to overprovisioning and wear-leveling. Enterprise SAS spinny disks are still used in many corporate NAS solutions for this reason.
@@kot98br Research is hard to come by, and youtube doesn't allow links in comments, but there are some well-informed articles out there that discuss the pros and cons. The key takeaway is that SSDs have a limited duty-cycle and may not be the best option for write-intensive applications.
I like those more cinematic segments. I prefer actually natural when possible but in those videos Linus is always playing his on-screen character anyway so I enjoy when they lay into the playing aspect. XD
Dude i was literally just looking into a small affordable home NAS to dump video files into and this is perfect, especially considering some companies charge like $400 just for the enclosure to put drives in
You need to consider the software on the machine too Synology DSM comes with so many features and so far(fingers crossed) bullet proof also a NAS needs a UPS be sure to plan for one
This popped up as I evaluate Backblaze B2 vs Synology C2 to back up my NAS lol. Would be nice to have a round up video of all the ways to offsite your local storage.
if money is no object, something like DiskStation DS1522+ that has 5x 3.5" place. so you can put 100tb of storage in it with 5xSeagate 20TB IronWolf Pro. would cost 3200 euros in here europe overall. can't run out of storage.
Got my CM3588 Plus with 32GB RAM yesterday. AWESOME device. Ordered from china with a case where a fan and heatsink coolers for the NVMe were included. The box is running cool at 40-45 degrees. The fan was spinning up only for a few seconds while syncing the RAID5 with the 4 NVMe disks. Installed Debian 12 and OpenMediaVault on top. Migrated all my Docker Containers from the server and the media files from my Synology... and it's still idling most of the time. Couldn't be more happy with this energy-saving high-power device. Bye Synology, bye x86-server :)
Looking at this video 6 months later. That seemed like the perfect time to build a nas! Now the board no longer has a 32gb variant and is about 20% more expensive! Not to mention the mp44 is now about 220, about 33% higher! Same system as the video is about $1100
I really dig the way the budget for a marvelous personal NAS starts out at $100, but the thing we're talking about slides up to several hundred once you add STORAGE - of all things.
I know of no NAS system that is cheap with storage. Im looking for something exactly like this for my large storage needs. I’d like to see one with 8 slots and 64g ram. It will be public. I do 4K and 8K video and need the storage while I compile clips.
Really cool! A few more details on the m2 SATA adapter, and how to use standard spinning drives would have been a noce addition. Like why is it limited to 32TB? How many drives should we use per M2? One feels like underutilised bandwidth.. could we get away with 5 per slot for a total of 20drives? Suggestions on how to power them, etc.
You mention the "3 2 1" best practice, with one offsite storage option still needed. I've been curious about AWS S3 Glacier for a while, as a cheap worst-case backup option, but haven't spent the time yet to figure out exactly how that could work. Future video comparing the cheapest offsite "last resort" cloud services, and maybe an overview of how to get them working?
Storing your data in S3 is amazing and very safe. The storage is so incredibly cheap that it’s a nobrainer to use. Retrieval of large amounts of data is a bit expensive, but worth it for the Vault purposes imho However, protecting an AWS account against attackers is harder. When done poorly, you’ll end up in /r/AWS that you’ve received several hundreds of thousands of dollars in your AWS bill, because an attacker started mining crypto in your account. I’ve been working as a lead security engineer for a nation-critical company (energy grid, where everything IT is in the public cloud), and would be willing to give LMG some pointers if they would like to make a video about it.
@@ojtheaviator1795 It's actually pretty easy if you're not running a large enterprise with thousands of staff needing access rights. Shrimply don't use the root account and use a password manager and MFA and don't make things public.
I considered it for a solid second, but I currently only pay $100/year for MS family, and I’ve got 4 people on it, 1TB each. Even if I got a low end config, with 2 cheap 4TB SSDs for redundancy, I’d be looking at $500 min after taxes and shipping on everything. So I’d be looking at 5 year for it pay itself off and I’d lose access to Office. However, if MS raises their prices it’ll definitely make me reconsider.
I'd suggest not to think it as a replacement at first, but as an improvement. So you get the bare minimum and then upgrade it with the years to lessen the total cost.
An interesting video and very reminiscent of the days before the public had access to the internet. In businesses, we had magetic tape drives for backing up the hard disk drives and at home it was either a secondary HD drive or a big box of floppy disks. But, this device wouldn't be cost effective for me. I only pay $1.49 per month for 50 GB of storage and I don't use more than maybe 4 GB of that. Mainly because I don't store my photos there, I back them up to a har disk in the PC.
I was looking into Asustor Flashtor, but they are so expensive. I don't need blazing fast speeds, just want something affordable, small and efficient and this all tiks those boxes.
How much capacity do you need? A while back I needed a small nas and made one with a rpi zero w a usb addon board and 4 256gb usbs all for like ~120$ if I remember right. Idk about long term use but it worked well enough for me for about 6 weeks before I took it apart.
This may actually be one of the coolest and most affordable things I have seen in a while. I have been needing a NAS recently but has hesitant to drop several hundred dollars on a DISKLESS synology nas. For someone like me who only needs a small NAS for my wife and I, and maybe down the road a second one at my parent's house for a backup, this thing looks perfect.
@@polarpenguin3 I work as a sysadmin and we use them at work, so I'm not denying that. I just don't need all of the features at home and in today's economy every dollar counts
I bought a Synology NAS last year and am surprised how dated the apps feel. NFS was also a pain to set up, but I think I finally got it as of a few minutes ago. The video surveillance suite apparently does not work fully if you're using a browser in Linux. There are lots of quirks that I honestly wasn't expecting.
I always used old PCs as NAS. Later I custom built them. Now looking into synology for the next one. First one was an 80486SX with 25Mhz and Samba. Quite slow, but it worked.
Yeah as soon as I saw this video I thought it was stupid. Even with one 2 tb m.2 drive it'd be about 200 dollars total so you're looking at 2 years as a break even. Plus you are giving up the biggest benifets of cloud storage by hosting yourself. Clloud storage will be off-site and have some redundancy.
I think that's a little harsh considering. I agree that some of the benefits of cloud storage are not present, but I think the comparison of Nas to Nas between "all-in-one" enclosures Vs this do it yourself method yields some cost reductions. You definitely get some redundancy using raid, and you don't have to go nvme or a full 4*4tb system, you can scale to meet your needs
Think at least just a little bit! The Hardware is great, and for the Video sake and clicks they added some m.2s so what? Take a freaking m.2 to sata adapter and put your old hraddrives on it. Are you all that uninspired to pick your own fraking conclusion out of the video?
I use OneDrive, the fact that it shows you this huge preview of random photos you've backed up to it (the naughtier the better) as soon as you open its website has made my blood pressure go up every time Mom opens its site to point me to some shared document or has to borrow my computer (hers is an ancient potato of a Surface Book with a mechanical drive and busted fans that becomes a slideshow whenever she opens more than 3 browser tabs, whereas mine is a gaming laptop with 32GB of RAM and an SSD). I think I ought to have her make her own account on mine, just so she never sees anything that would haunt her for life.
Agreed, love Immich, solved most of my problems with Google Photos and Onedrive. The set up and maintenance is a lot more involved tho, but if you're the type to self-host and build a DIY NAS, then it's probably alright.
What would be interesting, esp. for small business: Seeing this combined with nightly delta mirroring to a suitable cloud service, so as to implement 1 ("different site") of the 3-2-1 strategy.
I wont say what state in the US, but I live in the #1 most economically stable and most developed counties in my entire state. Yet, the highest upload speeds I can get are 10MB unless I want to pay for gig download which would mean only 35MB upload. We have DOCSIS 3.1 rolled out but are being extremely greedy with upload for reasons only known by their board and God. Such a shame that we have hardly regulated these internet companies that hundreds of thousands of small businesses rely on to provide updated speeds to meet modern demand.
Yep I have Spectrum so same thing, but it's 10Mb not MB. I'm in a state capital city, 1 mi from a major east west interstate, and a college world known for multiple scientific studies etc. Yet the best I can get is 35Mb from cable. AT&T advertises they serve Fiber in the city...yet only a few neighborhoods have it. But there's hope Spectrum supposedly started upgrading equipment in Jan to allow symmetrical service...so we'll see
Similar over this side of the pond. Although fiber is very common in our country (and being expanded by various companies, even rural areas) coax is no better. The most i can get on coax is 100Mbit upload. Although beats xDSL, this is still far cry from fiber options, that go up to 2.5Gbit symetrical for residential users (thats most that you can get due to passive networks).
Yesterday I was at an event with a few DevOps engineers. You know what everyone said? - Every cloud is a glorified vendor-lock. Not one of them disagreed. That says something...
That says nothing. When running single cloud you can still use cloud agnostic architectures. Unless you go the full serverless route where the ecosystem becomes more cloud specific, this is a completely meaningless statement. Yes I run hundreds of mission critical workloads in a (multi-) cloud
@@willemmkuipers It says a lot. Cloud services are designed to do a lot of work for you, making deployment faster, but in turn locking you in with baffling egress fees. You can spend 0.3x the time doing things with cloud-vendor-specific technologies and ship faster, or do things yourself and then maintain all that stuff, which requires quite a bit more staff. It's easy to say "it says nothing" where what it says is people use it and they will keep using it. There is always someone who will have to argue with a clueless executive who'll decide that faster shipping time and lower maintenance is worth it anyways, despite the leads explaining for hours that it isn't really that simple.
@@greebatic Anything that isn't in your control makes no sence. The only thing cloud is good for is an off-site backup in this case, and that's after the files are encrypted on your side.
You'd still need to backup your NAS on a cloud or some other location's drives, but yeah it's quite cool and affordable compared to other NAS solutions (an optional enclosure should be offered though), thanks for the tip !
Uhhh nope. The reason most of us use the cloud is because it is not at home. If my house is burglarized, is destroyed by fire, tornado, hurricane, flooding, etc., a NAS would be gone. Incidentally, I use a NAS but it is backed up... to the cloud.
@@insnprsn But this means you need to make a backup and then put that backup into a off-site location. And bring it back again to update the backup and remember to do that regularly. It becomes a job, just to save money.
@@kwongheng fair, though you could always set the backup up at a tech illiterate (or trusted tech literate) friend/family member's house. You could even offer that in return, they can have 1TB of free cloud storage.
TBH, I think the reason most people use the cloud is because it gets automatically set up on their computer. Not that you give bad reasons though. Personally, I use a NAS and crossed fingers.
With this little board handling all the NAS/file sharing duties, you could pair it with a mini pc or older SFF office machine for Plex/Jellyfin and other compute needs. As long as that other device has Intel Quick Sync newer than 7th Gen, it should be able to handle 4K HDR10 HEVC/H265 hardware transcoding like a champ (Plex Pass required). What I'd like to know is if this board is compatible with any off-the shelf cases, especially if you want to have some drive bays for HDDs?
For syncing I'm a fan of Syncthing -- it took a while to figure it out, but I got there. I use it to sync an Obsidian project, and camera photos. It will mirror to any number of other devices.
Yup been using it forever, with Camera, WhatsApp, Keepassxc, Signal, Music and Obsidian being synced to PC which is then being synced with another offsite system. Using over 1.4 TB with no issues.
As a noob when it comes to networking/server/ all this kind of stuff. Feel like we could use a total "switch your life to local" video showing how to set up a local video streaming library and storage system to get rid of subscriptions
Same
Can't wait 😊
Excellent idea.
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Props for the idea
I'm surprised you didn't mention one of the best parts...
The Wiki page for the CM3588 has PCB CAD files, including PCB layout, and a STEP file for the board which would make printing a case for this thing a breeze!
I would be AMAZED if there was not a dozen already out there. it looks iro mini ITX?
Is that really the best part? I know all the 3D printing people out there will love it, but despite what those people think, 3D printing is incredibly niche. Even for people that watch this sort of content.
@@TurinAlexander Most people who would be buying this thing probably are enthusiasts, and either have or have access to a printer.
@@TurinAlexander most public libraries these days have 3d printers that you can use, not the most convenient way.... but if you don't have a printer and want something printed... it's usually free or has a very very small fee
@@TurinAlexander because it exists that means you can order a printed case.
ngl this is one of the best ltt videos this year, short, to the point, funny bits, and affordable tech/solutions
“Affordable” in that the 4TB drives are $180 each! This thing as configured by Linus is nearly $1000. I realize you can use 2TB drives but it would still be about $600 that way. That’s a lot of hassle and nearly 5 years of cloud storage.
@@fuelvolts i mean im sure in the future there prob will be sata versions of this or even buy some cheap adapters, and even so u can get some cheap m2 ssd's now, ofc prices have been going back up but u can def get some deals. Ofc if ur going budget u could just plug a USB external hard drive into your router or get a bunch of refurb hard drives
but the software pointed out for mobile is def a new addition to my life
You could also use cheap m.2 to sata adapters and not use SSDs at all.
@@fuelvolts1. 16TB cloud storage cost 6usd/TB (Backblaze B2), making it 1000 bucks a year.
Apple iCloud cost 60usd x12 = 700usd a year.
2. All your data is being actively scanned and removed on DCMA request, should you upload licensed media such as movies, songs and try to share them to other people.
3. If they were to loose your data (happened with google before), they hold 0 liability. 0 responsibility. It’s written in the the small text when you sign up for the service…
Sure, if you only need 2TB, then a iCloud for 5usd/month is totally fine. But a 2TB SSD can be bought new for 60usd as well…
@@fuelvolts that price is for fast storage, as mentioned in the video, just run 3.5" drives and pay less then 1/4 of the price. pretty sure you can get 12TB drives for under 200. for NVME storage, 180 for 4TB IS affordable. even at these slower speeds (compared to gen 4/5 etc) youve still got the convenience of 1. less likely for a physical failure (in terms of the HDD dying etc) and 2. way smaller / quieter. a couple 3.5" drives will be bigger than the entire PCB. I've got my old PC converted to a NAS, also using openmedia, and it works great
Detailed tutorials on how to set up such systems will be very appreciated !
just check the docs and you should be good to go 👍
What docs on store page there is no documents
@@gregjend3738 this, very much. The docs i am finding are on the cpu, no docs on using any of the various img files.
@@aaaronme What docs on store page there is no documents
I appreciate the BMW iDrive joke
same dude
Dunno how about Americans, but in EU it's not a joke actually.
@@barongogenzoler4300 its a sarcastic joke, in EU also ... BMW is expensive all around the world ... thats what they where joking over ...
Yes they are expensive to buy and expensive to maintain 😢 I know since I drive one
@@Suchtzocker, in the US 330i is less than the average annual take-home. In the EU it's nominally far more expensive and take-home is much lover. It means the average postgrad with few years of experience can't afford a lease. PPP in reality.
Great video, finally a large channel showing people that a NAS is not some black box with black magic inside, but something quite simple. And that currently ARM boards can be used for it pretty comfortably. I've been running a NAS powered by a raspberry pi 4 for over 2 years and it never failed (knock knock)
I am not sure why I would want the featured device over a Raspberry pi tbh especially at the spec they went for
@@CJonestheSteam72 the top end model is significantly more performant than a pi 5, and for not much more money. It's also got much, much better I/O.
@@CJonestheSteam72 raspberry pis are a bit expensive, underpowered and have very little IO
(who's there?)
@@r0galikknock knock
The brilliance of sponsoring server space when talking about how to run your own cloud server
While it's cool, it doesn't sync everything like iCloud does, including contacts, messages, settings and apps/data. I'm not an iPhone guy, but I have to give Apple credit for their truly 100% backups, no Android does a 100% backup. The only other way to do it is pulling a manual backup locally via iTunes.
Everything you mentioned can be backed up on modern Android phones. Its just that some apps choose to opt-out of full backup. And not all settings can be transferred between different android operating systems.
@@BillAnt The average person's storage usage is mostly media. With that out of the picture, the 50 GB 99¢/mo tier or maybe even the 5 GB free tier become significantly more workable.
You still need an off-site backup
Who says you have to stop using icloud
I was happy to see Linus mention the 321 rule and offsite backup.
The solution in this video is good for my phone data. I want my really important data backed up both locally and offsite, in case my house burns down.
@technowey, back it up onto an SSD and give it to your grandmother, for safe keeping, in case your house burns down. Just make sure Grandma knows what it is, and not to use it to level the end table in her living room.
@@odonovan Offline backups are fine for static data, but non-static data should be backed up off site more often. The solution I use is to have a small server at a relatives house, and my important data gets backed up their nightly from the NAS. Additionally, my most important data is backed up nightly to B2. I don't backup a ton there so my cost is about $20/year.
If that ever happens I always told myself the hard drive would be the first thing I save from a fire lol.
With me maintaining support for Rockchip SoCs in the mainline Linux Kernel for a bit over 10 years now, it's really nice to see a Rockchip SoC in the "mainstream" media ;-)
Thank you for your service.
Doing gods work sir, having alternatives to Broadcom raspberry pi’s have been a god send for me
Thank you for your persistence. The RK3588 is definitely a game changer in the Arm based SBC world after the aging RK3399, considering that the broadcom chip on RPi5 is standing still.
Wish more people helped with the Orange Pi, they use both Rockchip and Allwinner, also good options for a possible NAS
Thank u m8!
Looks like you murdered the elec website ^^
They got slashdotted
jup, still down
Yep
Still down😅
You mean they Screen Savered it...... It's a Techtv thing
I see what Elijah is doing… by subconsciously demonstrating that he can “wear many different hats” he is maneuvering himself into a generous raise because he literally “wears many different hats”! We can all learn some next level shizz from the 4D chess master, Elijah! 😂
he really should just wear the helmet
this has gotta be part of their april fools video. they've been hiding things in their recent videos...
Oh, I thought he was signalling that he's transitioning.
That was a hell of a make a wish request.
ok "William" ... Nice fake name Elijah.. maybe you can make a video on how to make fake youtube hbots that hype you up to get raises at work.. that would be useful
We saved $14 doing this trick. Thank you! That being said we spent $783 of our own time sourcing the parts, learning how to do it and setting it all up...
Telling that you feel $783 is a large investment. Don't go total most people's outlay for streaming services and cloud storage over the years. You might be disappointed. Also it's not like the time and effort doesn't come with the added value of knowing some stuff that could make you dough later. Linux, network, storage, etc still pay fairly well. Not to mention building and selling these rigs to friends and family when they see how well yours works. Sounds like a solid value to me.
I saved a few pennies in undergrad by going full-on open-source DIY, and doing things like this. Maybe my life would've been simpler if I'd just gotten a part-time job with all that time and paid big companies to replace that. But you know what? I graduated with a degree in a non-techie profession, and a giant stack of niche tech knowledge on the side; and it's that knowledge that landed me one of the best jobs in my entire industry, where I get to do more or less whatever I want, and set my own exhorbitant hourly rates because I'm one of the very, very few individuals who has this set of knowledge in addition to my professional degree. Turns out this kind of enthusiast knowledge pays big, fat dividends if you have enough of it and some other, complimentary skillset.
And there you have it, you actually learned something ;p
You saved only 14$ if you bought cloud storage for a single month. This isn't meant for the people who don't need/only just bought cloud storage.
I used a raspberry pi and 2 2TB SSD drives with a custom made water + fan cooling system and I got it under 250$
Raspberry pi 4 2gb ram - RS 7000 - 80$
2x 2TB SSD - RS 10000 (RS 5000 each) - 119$
Custom made cooling system - RS250 - 3$
Others(cat6 wire, power supply, etc) - RS 100 - 1.5$
Total: 203.5 ~ 205$ or RS 20050
RS --> INR
Producer: how many sponsors do you want in the video?
Linus: Yes.
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All LTT is these days is a 50% video and 50% sales pitches... I can watch normal TV if i want to see this many ads thanks...
That's why I stopped watching his videos. Like just one long ad masked as a technical how-to video. Only reason I stumbled upon this is because I was looking for a cheap, small NAS that wasn't a raspberry pi since the pi5 isn't that cheap anymore. There is also click bait/misleading. The description say "This tiny computer is so small it can fit in your pocket and have over 30TB of SSD Storage. For under $100 you can have a powerful ARM based board to call youre own!" then in the video they end up with 11TB and says it cost $165 just for one of NVMe drives alone! LMAO
@@joesalz9963 Heh, and today, 2 weeks after it posted, following the link in the description for the NVME drives takes me to an Amazon page selling them for $226 each. So while the end of the video shows this rig as outfitted as costing $825, if you buy everything using LTT's very links today, it will cost $1,093 (the 16GB RAM option on FriendlyElec went up as well, and LTT didn't include the cost for a power supply).
@@joesalz9963 100% agree man, this is the same reason i found the video and was so disappointed when i came back after not watching for a year ish... it has gotten even worse over time!
Elijah chaning hats every frame was comedy gold! 😆
I suspect he need to wear all those hats in order to claim them as a tax write off
He's that hat guy now. lol
@@ErikTk421so Elijah goes by them eh?
Just a burning memory
The typo made me imagine him with a fedora schizoposting on a chan board idk why
When every tech youtuber is launching Ugreen nas videos. Ltt does this, love it.
Literally was contemplating buying ugreen's $500 nvme device, but not anymore thankyou linus. But sadly the built in storage options are out of stock so I'll be waiting to buy then.
@@artemisfowl127Depends, UGreen's solution is out of box ready that I would recommend someone's mom to get if they need one in the house. LTT's solution is a tinkerer's solution where it doesn't even come in a box to house the chip in.
Exactly
If you don’t want the DIY then the UGreen NASync (or even another solution like the Synology DiskStation) would work. If you’re ok with the DIY and the cost of all-flash, then the FriendlyElec is for you.
Great piece, i got the 250gbEmmc storage and 32GB ram edition from amazon. Strange thing was that the 4TB gen4 m.2 ssd's were cheaper than their gen3 brothers. Not that it matters, read/write speeds will not rise above the 2500mbit transfer rates.
It would be interesting to see a video on tips for setting up a 3-2-1 backup solution. If this video covers my NAS, what do I build for on-site backup? What do I build for off-site backup? Any tips for places to put off-site backup other than "parents' house" or "friend's house?"
Yeah this is the issue. I back up my local backups to google cloud just because I don't have my own "offsite" location I can stand up another storage server. Maybe a video on colocation services and things like that would be handy.
It's not automatic, but your office works. Have an encrypted external SSD that you load your backup on once a month and store it in your locker/ locked desk drawer at work.
@@nephatrine yes, I also use Google but I package in some compression packages with encryption.
I don't know if a video could be useful, because it's more of a debate rather than a simple topic they could cover. How much data are you backing up? Do you need all of it backed up? Do you REALLY need all of it backed up? What is available to you? What's your threshold for maximum inconvenience?
Some people don't want to hear it, but there's nothing wrong with using cloud for off-site storage, as long as the limitations aren't too limiting for your use case. For use-cases like photos, having them in your phone, backing up to cloud and periodically storing them on your PC fulfills 3-2-1, with the added advantage that you're always carrying one of the devices with you, and the off-site storage can be accessed wherever you can get an internet connection. And with photos, it's unlikely you will need more than one of the cheap basic tiers which cost something like 1-5$ a month.
For cold archives - Encrypt and compress, dump it to Backblaze, they'll mail you a hard drive. For rolling backups... I haven't figured that out yet :/ But I think NextCloud may be the solution.
These are my favorite type of tech video. Showing off a practical application of niche hardware that I never would have known about otherwise. I genuinely think I'm going to order one and copy this setup.
There's a subtle difference though, you're reaponsible for your own data now. You store on fhe cloud and it's their problem, ans they'll damn sure use redundancy to have several bavkups ready in cases of disasters. If you pay for redundancy thw cloud storags is a decent option, not for 2tb, but for 250gb it's fine. Probably best to diversify storage and backups to tolerate risks and hardware failures and balance costs.
@@robertwilsoniii2048 I dunno abt you, but I prefer taking responsibility over my own data as compared to paying boatloads of money.
@@halomika4973and also, even if the cloud provider some how loses your data, theyll just get slap on the wrist and youll get 10 bucks in a class action
@@robertwilsoniii2048 Double your investment and have two NAS servers - place them in different rooms under different breakers. Make one primary and backing up to secondary. Your PERSONAL data is not in the hands of a 3rd party which shifts is privacy and protection policy every 3 months. Major Corps are going to run you thru multiple ai phone menus's that will hide putting you in touch with a LIVE person. So they can have you running in circles for months or years trying to get your data back. Just take responsibility for your own Data.
@@robertwilsoniii2048just set it up in RAID. Double or triple redundancy based on the drives used.
First tech upgrade, then home improvement for Linus, and finally NAS setups? You could say Elijah is a.... many of many hats .... in this video
That's a nice little kit! A note: unless you pay for Photosync Premium ($6.50/year), you're not getting automatic backups. If your only use of iCloud/Google Drive is file/photo storage, then this is a good solution. If you're relying on syncing app data across devices, then you're better off just staying with Apple or Google cloud storage for peace of mind & ease of use, and keeping a local NAS-based backup of your main computer.
The problem, as briefly mentioned in the video, is the 3-2-1 rule, which stipulates that one copy of your data must be kept offsite. Cloud storage solves this, whereas your own NAS (kept at home) does not. I suppose you could keep it at a friend's house, but then you'd also have to ask them to poke holes in their firewall which they may be unwilling (or unable) to do.
There are also the value-adds for "official" cloud services, such as easy document sharing with others, full device backup, iCloud Relay, Hide My Email, and again, not having to poke holes in your firewall to access your data outside your network. I can see the value of a home NAS if you just have several TB of ancient photos and videos you want to offload from your device, but even then you should still pay for some form of cold/archival storage offsite to satisfy the 3-2-1.
Personally, I pay $3/mo for 200gb of iCloud storage, and IMO it's money very well spent.
You dont need to poke holes through their firewall, you can poke holes through your own firewall, and configure your remotely hosted NAS to VPN **to you** connecting your nas to your network as if it were right next to you.
You also have the “how do I sync with the NAS when away from my network” issue. Wait until you’re back isn’t great and doesn’t compare to the cloud. Poke holes in the firewall is asking for trouble, and use a VPN can be beset by issues - one of which is patchy connectivity and the other is much reduced battery life. I know because I’ve tried.
Tailscale, Cloudflare Tunnels, etc solve these problems.
@@pantoqwerty Nonsense. I'm a web dev who works from home. I have huge blocks of open IPs on my firewall and anywhere from zero to several hundred people connected at once. I just have a standard home Internet plan with my ISP. My services run on a standard PC that's nearly a decade old, now (i7). I've been working like this for decades. I honestly don't even know what you're talking about. You clearly have other issues. As a web dev, I'm also renting plenty of rack space but certain tasks just make a LOT more sense to host yourself (mostly, high CPU\low bandwidth stuff).
@@igotnoname4557 So you have several hundred people connected on your firewall at a time? Hardly a run of the mill appliance on a bog standard connection then else they’d be seriously contended. That you don’t know what i’m talking about is neither here nor there. VPN connections drain phone batteries. Fact. When your phone is locked it won’t generally keep the connection active and will activate it when you unlock it - you’ll see the VPN indicator go on and off. That’s an extra delay and inconvenience as you wait for it to reconnect. Native cloud services to a phone will work in the background. I host plenty of services but I refuse to expose them externally and VPN connectivity to them is a pain in the arse for the given reasons.
Best intro ever. Please do more like intros like this. The only problem I'm having with my NAS is that my work blocks remote access to my NAS at home from the office. Google and Microsoft cloud storages aren't blocked.
But what about their sponsor ?
Agree, Intro was bitchin or what ever young people say these days
thats just bad practice on your business though tbh. most companies block Google and One Drive that isnt related to them.
just create a reverse proxy and voila
Look into Noip and a home router with a vpn. You can use this to tunnel back into your network without port forwarding.
You HAVE to do a full runtime tutorial on this!! I haven't got this invested in a tech piece for such a long time
Great job on the video and information Linus! Cloud storage is still good for a offsite backup, unless you have a fire safe to keep your external backup drives in and rotate them often.
Ngl this interests me massively. I love how tiny and compact this is. I have been running thinking of setting up a nas at home and something this small that supports m.2 SSDs. Sure it will cost a bit to set up like yours but as you said that's a one time cost and I like how easy it would be to upgrade the pcb while keeping the drives or keep the pcb and change the drives (if one died or something).
I really liked the intro! It was a bit confusing because it wasn't clear what the relationship was between a homemade NAS and phone snatchers until Linus brought it back up it part way through the video, but very inventive! Keep up the good work, Elijah.
Phone smashers* not snatchers. Given the video is for cloud backup and they were “smashing their phones” I thought it was pretty obvious?
Only issue with pricing is with the "need a third copy off site" you're sort of back to page one with needing to pay a subscription fee for the redundant copy in the cloud if you don't have someone willing to let you host a duplicate of this setup in their house somewhere else for free.
maybe it would be worth it to set up a mutual backup partnership with someone else; store their encrypted backup files on your NAS, and they let you store your encrypted backups on theirs. All data is safe, and it's a win-win.
That's what family is for
I have a deal with a friend. We bought two identical system, (old elitedesk, 100$ on ebay, plus the drives), we set them up to turn on, backup, and then turn off automatically (with the help of a smart plug, we both have home assistant). We setup a VPN for that, and we only need to open the port for a couple of hours every month basically. Sure, there is a bit of "trust factor" involved, but I can live with that, I called him a friend for a reason.
I have his, he has mine. It has worked quite nicely for the past 2 years. It has the added bonus that whenever something doesn't work, you have another guy helping you (because he will eventually have the same issue having the same setup hardware and software).
It's less convenient than a cloud storage, not much cheaper (I think break even was around 19 months all considered, and that's until a drive fails), but we both enjoy the satisfaction of fixing something and doing something ourselves.
External hard drive at work. Copy out backup once in three months.
Worst case scenario you're losing 3 months of data, which is unlikely, cause data that fresh is probably still on your phone/computer
I am a Networking Desktop engineer, for context: Great video! very useful and practical, but for certain clientele. This is great for people who need massive storage, this will save so much $$$. However, for the average user family who only needs to back up pictures, 1tb per person (total 6 users) at $99yr, with office 365 included, hard to beat. Which is why even though I have NAS at home, its only private, not public, not worth it yet. Maybe in the future. This set up isn't for the average user but still amazing to see how compatible it is with many third party apps and powerful the device is while being very affordable.
Indeed ... also a professional cloud service solves e.g. the high availability/storage redundancy topic for you so if a regular user should setup 2 of those, operating the 2nd one in an offsite location with (appropriately fast) internet connection and backup and/or continuous sync job in place ... not to mention the configuration effort, keeping updates/security, etc. it might really just be more efficient to purchase a cloud account. I myself operate 2 NASes with RAID at 2 locations and following a proper HW lifecycle I already calculated that a cloud offering would be more efficient for me. So I just do it myself because I like it as an IT nerd 🥰 and that's why I am looking forward to getting my hands on this toy as well 😅😍.
Why continue to pay month by month for a service, when its cheaper to build your own nas, not to mention you have full control over it. Don't need internet access and such, what if you decide you are done paying for storage and you want your files back,well then you still need drives to put this on. So better off just building the nas from the get go.
@@prop19yes Again, not every user is going to be able to build this and this is not for everyone. You are assuming everyone can do this, they can't. If they could, I would not have a Job in IT 🤔
Also you are going to have to update & replace hardware overtime and failure, use up electricity and some 3rd part apps for NAS do have a cost. So yes, even CapEX and OPEX apply here. Not only companies move away from on premises while some stay, individual users do as well per their needs and evaluations. Not complicated to understand.
imo, we are headed toward a world where ppl have a home server that serves as a NAS, and runs all your apps. We gotta move away from the subscription model where every big company is fighting for a small sliver of everyones money, than has unlimited power in terms of laws over the virtual world.
@@MartinKovacik thats awesome man, and you took into account something very important that many will not: hardware life cycle. This cost is miss by some thinking this set will be upfront cost only (CapEx) but they forget about maintenance and support. And yeah this is a perfect solution for many already over paying for Cloud/NAS service. Glad this has been working for you :D I also set up a Small NAS this year for local use only, and love it.
That intro is a balm for the tech soul. I am so glad they’ve been bringing it back ☺️
I'm just glad to have the og intro back, just saying it is a highlight to find out what one liner it is today
'no dad, my generation cant afford BMW's' watching LS lip sync will never get old
Omg, didn't see it the first time 😂
It's dumb because Jake has a couple of BMW's
I thought he said "my generation can't afford be all Ws (winners)"
This makes more sense I guess haha.
@@seanlacroix The one I know of (M5 E60) is going on 20 years old at this point, and he's a car guy, so he's willing to spend a higher percentage on his income on cars, which most people don't want to
@@real151kmhfunny enough my dad just bought a e60 (not m5) for under 3k with gas mod ^^
This is perfect. Been looking for a cheap yet effective video editing server for a while but didn't want to spend hundreds on a Synology NAS or some other home NAS. With the SATA expansions I could also just as easily use more high end SATA SSDs in the long run too for expandability.
In the meantime, this SSD solution is still far more expensive than a Synology NAS setup.
The SSDs mentioned are $229 each (4TB).
My 4-bay NAS + 4Sata drives = ~830
This board + 4SSDs = $1100
The performance won't be the same, and that's certainly reflected in the price.
If you can get the SSD->SATA adapters working, then it'd definitely be an economical choice.
I must have been stuck in old video limbo because seeing a recent video featuring a cleanly shaved Linus gave me whiplash. Thanks for the video! Owning your own "cloud based storage" sounds awesome.
7:38 Linus must be proud of Elijah💪
The big thing with cloud storage to me is not having it all in one place. If my house catches fire or a pipe bursts flooding my home, I don't want all of the copies of my most important files being in there.
Yeah this is all well and good but I'm happy to pay a "premium" for cloud storage since it's basically one click to set up and it runs independent of whether or not things are fine in my house.
that's the big difference. this video is mostly a nothing burger.
Did you miss the part about 3-2-1 the 1 is offsite. Which this could work well for
@@mrmotofyim sure they didn’t watch the video that far in the first place.
3-2-1. Also, have you tried editing video off of a public cloud? That's one of the main use cases shown in this video, good luck with that
Great video ! got this setup after seeing it :) I actually used another FriendlyElec product as my NAS before that, the NanoPi M4 with a 4xSata hat. But that one just used a bunch of old HDD's, and was very bulky and noisy. This board is better in every way, and setup was a breeze, I only freaked out for a while because I didn't max out my gigabit connection while transferring, even though I have pretty much the exact same setup as in your video. Took me a while to realize my network cable was attached to my monitor, so my connection speed was being maxed out by the USB connection between my PC and monitor :). I still added a 5th M.2 SSD in a cheap USB-C enclosure, that one I will use for data that does not need fault-tolerance ( e.g.: Plex or Jellyfin metadata).
No way, thats great. I was thinking of making something like this for a while and now LTT makes a video about it! I didn't understand some parts of this video (im not that knowledgable about anything server relayed, hence why watch LTT ;D), was the set up hard and how much did you end up spending on this total?
@@skyshadow28 Hmmz I thought I already replied to this but I don't see my comment. The setup was actually super easy. Just like the video mentioned, you use the image that friendlyelec provides. The only thing that takes really long is the initial configuration of the raid array (takes hours), but that is apparently normal. Now it has been running super smooth since. I suppose I spent around 1000 in total (without vat).
i've used a few dozen teamgroup mp33 & mp34 drives in various builds over the last 2-3 years & they've all been rock solid. even have 2 of the 4tb mp34 drives in my gaming rig. one of the best values for a reasonable quality drive in the ssd market imo & worthy of a strong recommendation. they have some good values on gen 4 drives that might also be worth your consideration.
That Intro !!!!
The hat swaps
The BMW joke .
Top tier
There is one reason why you still need off-site storage: to protect against fire and burglary.
If you could make an arrangement with a friend, preferably in another city, to exchange data you'd be sorted.
or a lock box storage.
Which is why he mentions the "3-2-1" strategy--3 copies of data, 2 different types of media, at least 1 offsite copy.
@@TheEvertw in another city even? You worried about a nuke?
@@HectorLugo At least my data will be secure!
@@HectorLugo One might get into a buddy system. Team up with another data paranoid individual to host each other's backup backup backup drives. Only need a trick encryption solution to feel safe about it.
pCloud offers 10TB of cloud storage with a one time lifetime subscription for around $1100, which is honestly pretty competitive with this offering, although likely not as fast as when you're on LAN. Not saying it's a replacement for a NAS, but it could be an "affordable" option (after 2 years given current cloud storage costs) for your offsite storage option.
4:00 building a 20-HD NAS sounds like a video idea of its own.
They already did it.
@@Intelwinsbigly where´s the link?
This would be cool but you’re also looking at $500+ for 8TB of storage these days with prices rising on solid state storage. You could build a NAS with significantly higher capacity spinners for around that much or get the same amount of space for less. You don’t have to spend a lot of money for basic file storage.
my NAS is a $30 used mini pc with an i3 6100t.
Did you watch the whole video? They showed a m.2 to SATA adapter and explained that as a possibility.
Also, not everyone needs 1tb of storage. I'd be perfectly content with ~1tb of storage. Four 512gb drives are _a lot_ cheaper. Not everyone stores their Linux isos and steam boat willy rips. Some of us just need photo and document backups.
@@herranton great, you can still do that far cheaper. From a mini pc to something as simple as plugging a flash drive into the USB port on your router (if equipped) or even just creating a file share on a desktop.
There’s lots of options out there and this isn’t a bad one but there’s simpler ways to back up and access your files, often with equipment you may already have.
@@herranton I mean that's still an extra $40 for the adapter. That money could be used on more storage.
Brilliant idea. I got a used mini PC for £30 here, £7 for an SSD to use as the boot drive, then £160 for a 12TB external HDD, I hooked that up with tailscale and I have that drive acessible anywhere.
I also got a 1TB HDD off ebay for £7.50. That's for my duplicates of the important files/ offline/offsite backup.
The HDD is more than powerful enough. I tested 10 devices playing back video at the same time off it. It's got an i3 4130t in it I think.
SSDs are wasted on projects like this because most of the time you'll be throttled by either gigabit ethernet
(125 mb/second max), or if you have the infrastructure at home 2.5 gigabit ethernet (~300 mb/second max). The SSDs go up to 3000-5000 mb/second if they're attached locally. And a high capacity HDD can do (200mb/second+).
And if you're away from home you'll be throttled by very slow mobile data, wifi speeds, which at best will probably be gigabit (125 mb/second), and likely far far less. Unless you're in a big big city with 5G everywhere or a very powerful wired fibre connection 2.5Gigabit+ (which again is rare outside major cities / business connections / hotel connections) - it's wasted. Plus you'll also be limited by your home internet connection.
I find it hard advocating for bulk SSD storage in something like this at at least 3-4x the price, plus all the extra boards and housing, when you're not going to get or need the throughput. It could be worthwhile if you need a small form factor and hyper power efficiency, will have lots of users using it simultaneously, or are doing direct video editing off it. Or if cost is not an issue to you - that's fine too!
If you're not using it super intensively, HDDs can do the job amazingly well. They'll be idle most of the time, except when you're using them. Their capacities go much higher and I'd rather have 12TB of storage for the same price of 4TB SSD drive that will go at the same speed when it's in use.
@fukov3400 but you don't have raid with one drive. If it fails, all is gone. I agree that the comparison to Google Drive 10 tb for 50 $/month is unrealistic. I just need 100 gb, if I include the photos from my camera. Also, backblaze offers unlimited backup capacity for 9$/month which would be a much better comparison, because the stated problem was backing up your photos/data from your phone.
If you are using it to store your Steamboat Willie rips (and Linux ISOs) on Plex or Jellyfin, then mechanical drives are fine. A video stream needs about 1-2 IOPS. Mechanical drives do about 50-70 IOPS, SSDs do about 300,000 to 1,500,000 IOPS.
Editing videos is obviously a very different matter, and you definitely need SSDs for that.
Idk but maybe 3 nvme, 5 Sata SSD it's enough for this configuration.
@@mateuszzimon8216 My NAS runs on FreeBSD. It is 4 x 10TB Iron Wolves, 2 x 2TB Samsung Evo (2.5" SATA) for ARC2 and 32GB RAM.
The ARC Cache (RAM) hit rate is about 99% when I am not streaming videos, so most of the time it is running at RAM drive speeds. Videos open instantly and the network is the bottleneck, but it can handle backups of my store-bought 4k BluRays just fine.
I think I could remove the ARC2 and not see any difference. Probably I will at some point and replace those slots with more mechanical drives to increase capacity.
As someone who done animation for a very short time, SSDs changed my life. I just wish that Linus shown us a video compiling too.
Lol, i'll re-use the expression with copies of Steamboat Willie 😂
@@mateuszzimon8216 The answer is probably 2 large nvme, and 10 large sata.
Elijah having discontinuities deliberately feels just like napoleon dynamite and considering I'm watching that right now I love it so much.
This would've been a perfect opportunity to talk about Immich. I've been looking for a NAS specifically to self host all my photos and it looks to have the closest experience to that of Google Photos. Would still be cool to see you guys do a video on it someday.
Same here, looking for an equivalent to "onedrive" (what i currently use but have to clear space every so often, no monthly plans for me) to do auto backup of photos from my and my families phones to my home seever/nas (TrueNAS).
I would like to know if that could be used really as a CLOUD as Dropbox: I configure an app and outside my network, I can just sync as Dropbox things from my laptop or phone to it.
Just as a NAS … it’s cool, but lacks what I’m searching.
@@ricarmig well... Have you heard of NextCloud? You should take a look at r/selfhosted, there's so much cool stuff to host that a dropbox replacement is kinda lame. Also if you just wanna try from my experience the best way is to just do it. I use old laptop as 'server' with linux and use docker, really fun to learn. Anything can be use as server.
@@ricarmigYou´d want Nextcloud for that not Immich
@@ricarmignextcloud might be what you are looking for. As long as you setup a way of accessing local resources externally, it should be a near drop in replacement for dropbox
I am working in IT and run my own server downstairs.
I stopped using my server as a cloud storage for mobile sync because having such a service exposed to the internet comes with responsibility.
Suddenly I have to read security notes and perform patches over night. regularly the cloud suite changed major components in the software architecture and upgrade is a challenge and you study docu and blogposts.
I am back to USB cable and Netdrive on a PC
have you considered putting your home server behind a VPN? You can still access it through the internet but it is not exposed (only the VPN port).
Yes, indeed, excellent point. Plus the mobile apps to do the sync are nowhere as reliable as the built-in ones. I used exactly the app they are showing in the first few seconds of this video and it was the best one I tried but still would miss synchronizing stuff automatically sometimes.
@@epsig1507 This is an option but you then have to keep the VPN connection open at all times or manage VPN and syncing manually which is a pain.
Same. I was running all kind of services, like a FOSS slack and a FOSS dropbox, and the security considerations only were insane. At some point it was cost effective to just pay the yearly subscription.
yes excellent point. but as a middle ground alternative, you could only sync over local wifi and turn off remote access.
And... you blew up their site.
DDoS from Linus watchers.
I NEED IT!!!
yep
Omg, I can’t get onto their site!
There’s a big opening here
Google cloud also helps with compression of images & video files, which for a noob like me works like magic. It maintains the quality that anyone would realistically need and does all of that automatically. If this local setup could do that, then I would definitely consider setting up something like this on my own.
Remember, there is no "cloud". It's just someone else's computer.
Alert the media! /s
No shit
But it isn't physically located with your phone. So if your house is burgled or burns down your data isn't lost.
It is however someone else's computerS.
Blockchain storage is an interesting option.
This is awesome!! I'd love to see another video with an HDD configuration with a custom 3D printed build ❤ and more benchmarks 🎉
A really practical topic and good video!
A more detailed cost breakdown would be helpful though as I'm not certain it is always cheaper. You have to include power costs (especially in Europe) drive failures and perhaps double it for the 3-2-1 rule. With Google Drive or iCloud we assume that those things are handled for us.
I love tinkering but have yet to nail down a cheap, surefire storage and backup strategy that fulfils 3-2-1
and the easy use for cloud without security risk to your home network
In Europe the biggest storage you can have on Google Drive is 2TB for 100€/year, a board like this one with two drives is paid for in 2 years even with power costs since it doesn't consume that much. Your ISP router probably needs more power than this.
Yeah, I started the video and thought damn this could be okay but $95 is quite expensive when I can just pay a few $ a year for extra Apple storage and get unlimited photo storage with Amazon Prime. But, I could see it being convenient.
To then keep adding bits that make it more and more expensive, to then be talking about a nearly $900 piece of kit in a working state.
Sure if you're storing A LOT of films and whatnot, maybe that's of use for you for some reason. But, I can't see why it's even remotely reasonable at those kinds of prices for any normal user who will just have a boat load of pictures and videos they've taken themselves. Just buy an external hard drive and call it a day
Power is at most 33€ a year where I live, that's assuming 100% load 24/7 (which isn't realistic). No, Google drive or iCloud do not handle 3-2-1 for you. You can lose data on cloud, it happens. Cloud storage can at best be considered your off-site backup.
The biggest hurdle people need to jump over when trying to implement 3-2-1 is realizing that perhaps they don't actually need to have backed up all of their hoarded data. Pretty much anything that can be recovered elsewhere isn't worth backing up. And 3-2-1 should only be applied to things you can't afford to lose. Let's be honest, lots of people hoard stuff they will never actually need.
Once you start getting into the off-site part of storage, it's no longer just about the hardware, but also about the fact that you need to have that hardware somewhere. If it's too close to your home, it's exposed to many of the same risks as on-site. And in many use-cases it will actually turn out that Cloud isn't a bad solution, especially for low volume things like photos.
@@bastienx8but in Europe one of those 4tb ssds cost 440€ each. This project makes no sense here
I'm currently using a Synology DS920+ NAS and I'm a big proponent of it. I even convinced my manager to have one exclusively for our department instead of being reliant on Enterprise IT servers for some of our files.
This NAS I'm VERY interested in, however. It doesn't cost a lot comparatively speaking, although the big letdown right now is that the biggest M2 I've seen in our country is 2TB, and it costs as much as (or a little lower in some cases) that 4TB drive you've featured.
Thank you for covering this, Linus! I looked for a cheap, upgradable NAS with low power consumption for years.
That is not it. It's expensive, and it's not the worst... it lacks SATA. You can find much better.
@@goku445What would you recommend?
Yeah.. what do you recommend? What moonstrobe asked.@@goku445
Your compadre there with the fedora on reminds me of my company in Bellevue WA we used to teach a lot of Red Hat Linux and we were the certification Center for Red Hat Linux in Washington. There were times when all of our trainers including me that were teaching Red Hat wore Red Hat fedoras to teach the class in. So this wonderful video you made actually brought back a very serious nostalgia pain with me from the old days of teaching so much Red Hat Linux thanks that was great. I love this little device too by the way
5:18 - 5:19 is the $50 Australian note. Well done Linus!
Pineapples
Canada also has plastic money so I had to do a double take on that one
Im glad i wasnt the only one who noticed
So 10 years ago the buzz was having a NAS... then everything went cloud... now everything wants to go back home?
nah, people want acces from their own cloud. Cheaper in the long run and better to host yourself.
Yes. Cloud providers used to provide unlimited storage. Then there the lack of privacy issue which have been secretly updated in the Terms and Conditions.
as a trucker space in the cab is a premium, but I need a nas with me because of how often I'm stuck in areas with either bad or no signal. so this is right up my alley.
I've tried the apex board with a cable to put it in a small form factor. I tried the 12 bay flash nas. but there's something very attractive about this so I'm going to try this as well. I think more than likely it'll end up at home and I'll get a few to make a San or something, maybe make one pool for my Plex, one pool for my steam, etc.
I am really looking forward to seeing any other versions they come out with. this would be perfect if they pushed out a double side pcb letting you do 8 or more ssds, and maybe a 10g base t though at that point I don't think the chip would handle it. but we're getting there!
SSD-based NAS solutions have unique constraints in regard to overprovisioning and wear-leveling. Enterprise SAS spinny disks are still used in many corporate NAS solutions for this reason.
is there any research regard to this?
@@kot98br Research is hard to come by, and youtube doesn't allow links in comments, but there are some well-informed articles out there that discuss the pros and cons. The key takeaway is that SSDs have a limited duty-cycle and may not be the best option for write-intensive applications.
For what reason...?
@@tazanteflight8670 firmware on m2 drives.
I like those more cinematic segments.
I prefer actually natural when possible but in those videos Linus is always playing his on-screen character anyway so I enjoy when they lay into the playing aspect. XD
This I reckon would work well as an offsite back of my main, great idea!
Dude i was literally just looking into a small affordable home NAS to dump video files into and this is perfect, especially considering some companies charge like $400 just for the enclosure to put drives in
Yeah the nas prebuilt market makes me want to puke. That last 5-10% of convenience costs an arm and a leg.
There you pay mostly for the software and convenience. And, to be honest, software like Synology DSM is really powerful and comprehensive.
You need to consider the software on the machine too
Synology DSM comes with so many features
and so far(fingers crossed) bullet proof
also a NAS needs a UPS
be sure to plan for one
This popped up as I evaluate Backblaze B2 vs Synology C2 to back up my NAS lol. Would be nice to have a round up video of all the ways to offsite your local storage.
Easiest is Zeroteir then just share it over the network. May need to setup your own server for faster transfers though
Just get yourself a used Thin Client plug in an external drive and you're done
Backblaze personal :)
if money is no object, something like DiskStation DS1522+ that has 5x 3.5" place. so you can put 100tb of storage in it with 5xSeagate 20TB IronWolf Pro. would cost 3200 euros in here europe overall. can't run out of storage.
The first 2 minutes were so well paced I thought it was a TV show, until after the intro I was brought back... AMAZING PRODUCTION
Got my CM3588 Plus with 32GB RAM yesterday. AWESOME device. Ordered from china with a case where a fan and heatsink coolers for the NVMe were included. The box is running cool at 40-45 degrees. The fan was spinning up only for a few seconds while syncing the RAID5 with the 4 NVMe disks.
Installed Debian 12 and OpenMediaVault on top. Migrated all my Docker Containers from the server and the media files from my Synology... and it's still idling most of the time.
Couldn't be more happy with this energy-saving high-power device.
Bye Synology, bye x86-server :)
Can you share a name / link of the case pls?
i love people with great stories and no links to the solution (:
@@andreaslassak2111 Sadly UA-cam keeps deleting my comments. You'll find the device/case in Chin. onl. shops.
lmao old man linus is the best. hope we see him in the future :) honestly more skits like the opener would be rad.
The best way to take down a Website, promote their product :)) love it
Right? I got on it for about 18 seconds.....annnnnnnnnd it's gone.
We need more of these interesting and creative intros, they are fire 🔥🔥🔥
Looking at this video 6 months later. That seemed like the perfect time to build a nas! Now the board no longer has a 32gb variant and is about 20% more expensive! Not to mention the mp44 is now about 220, about 33% higher! Same system as the video is about $1100
Elijah wears many hats at LTT
Idk why but I heard this in Rolf's voice.
"Elijah wears many hats ed-boy"
He's been promoted. It used to be many helmets.
Frodo
I really dig the way the budget for a marvelous personal NAS starts out at $100, but the thing we're talking about slides up to several hundred once you add STORAGE - of all things.
I know of no NAS system that is cheap with storage. Im looking for something exactly like this for my large storage needs. I’d like to see one with 8 slots and 64g ram. It will be public. I do 4K and 8K video and need the storage while I compile clips.
Really cool! A few more details on the m2 SATA adapter, and how to use standard spinning drives would have been a noce addition. Like why is it limited to 32TB? How many drives should we use per M2? One feels like underutilised bandwidth.. could we get away with 5 per slot for a total of 20drives? Suggestions on how to power them, etc.
That's what I want to know!
This is not a tech tip, but a raw advertisement.
Like 4 sponsors in 1 video?
It is ironic making fun of the "TV News" when he has more commercials than TV ever did.
Ironic that the guy who thinks ad blocking is piracy makes us watch so many ads on "ad-free" UA-cam premium.
@@SJ-co6nk we've evolved to the point of paying to watch ads. When are we starting a new internet?
@@NobodyFresh come over to the fediverse. Water's fine.
This video is one giant ad
You mention the "3 2 1" best practice, with one offsite storage option still needed. I've been curious about AWS S3 Glacier for a while, as a cheap worst-case backup option, but haven't spent the time yet to figure out exactly how that could work. Future video comparing the cheapest offsite "last resort" cloud services, and maybe an overview of how to get them working?
Storing your data in S3 is amazing and very safe. The storage is so incredibly cheap that it’s a nobrainer to use. Retrieval of large amounts of data is a bit expensive, but worth it for the Vault purposes imho
However, protecting an AWS account against attackers is harder. When done poorly, you’ll end up in /r/AWS that you’ve received several hundreds of thousands of dollars in your AWS bill, because an attacker started mining crypto in your account.
I’ve been working as a lead security engineer for a nation-critical company (energy grid, where everything IT is in the public cloud), and would be willing to give LMG some pointers if they would like to make a video about it.
@@willemmkuipers I certainly wouldn't have thought about the hacking issue! Definitely would like to see a video covering this in more detail now
@@ojtheaviator1795 It's actually pretty easy if you're not running a large enterprise with thousands of staff needing access rights. Shrimply don't use the root account and use a password manager and MFA and don't make things public.
I considered it for a solid second, but I currently only pay $100/year for MS family, and I’ve got 4 people on it, 1TB each. Even if I got a low end config, with 2 cheap 4TB SSDs for redundancy, I’d be looking at $500 min after taxes and shipping on everything. So I’d be looking at 5 year for it pay itself off and I’d lose access to Office. However, if MS raises their prices it’ll definitely make me reconsider.
Not to mention you'd probably need to upgrade something in 5 years anyway.
I'd suggest not to think it as a replacement at first, but as an improvement. So you get the bare minimum and then upgrade it with the years to lessen the total cost.
An interesting video and very reminiscent of the days before the public had access to the internet. In businesses, we had magetic tape drives for backing up the hard disk drives and at home it was either a secondary HD drive or a big box of floppy disks. But, this device wouldn't be cost effective for me. I only pay $1.49 per month for 50 GB of storage and I don't use more than maybe 4 GB of that. Mainly because I don't store my photos there, I back them up to a har disk in the PC.
I was looking into Asustor Flashtor, but they are so expensive.
I don't need blazing fast speeds, just want something affordable, small and efficient and this all tiks those boxes.
The Asustor Flashtor Nastor istor expensivetor
How much capacity do you need? A while back I needed a small nas and made one with a rpi zero w a usb addon board and 4 256gb usbs all for like ~120$ if I remember right. Idk about long term use but it worked well enough for me for about 6 weeks before I took it apart.
This may actually be one of the coolest and most affordable things I have seen in a while. I have been needing a NAS recently but has hesitant to drop several hundred dollars on a DISKLESS synology nas. For someone like me who only needs a small NAS for my wife and I, and maybe down the road a second one at my parent's house for a backup, this thing looks perfect.
I have a synology NAS and I'll tell you the software and simplicity is what makes them what they are.
@@polarpenguin3 I work as a sysadmin and we use them at work, so I'm not denying that. I just don't need all of the features at home and in today's economy every dollar counts
I bought a Synology NAS last year and am surprised how dated the apps feel. NFS was also a pain to set up, but I think I finally got it as of a few minutes ago. The video surveillance suite apparently does not work fully if you're using a browser in Linux. There are lots of quirks that I honestly wasn't expecting.
@@Cyber_Homestead Yeah, if you aren't doing basic smb sharing, some of the features are a bit clunky from my experience at work.
I always used old PCs as NAS. Later I custom built them. Now looking into synology for the next one.
First one was an 80486SX with 25Mhz and Samba. Quite slow, but it worked.
so you started off saying it was $95, but then your setup was over $1500.
"We didn't want to buy the cheapest storage option, so we purchased 4 4TB NVME drives at $160 each." OK... Cool....
They got ya! 😂 Clickbait style
Yeah as soon as I saw this video I thought it was stupid. Even with one 2 tb m.2 drive it'd be about 200 dollars total so you're looking at 2 years as a break even. Plus you are giving up the biggest benifets of cloud storage by hosting yourself. Clloud storage will be off-site and have some redundancy.
I think that's a little harsh considering. I agree that some of the benefits of cloud storage are not present, but I think the comparison of Nas to Nas between "all-in-one" enclosures Vs this do it yourself method yields some cost reductions.
You definitely get some redundancy using raid, and you don't have to go nvme or a full 4*4tb system, you can scale to meet your needs
Think at least just a little bit! The Hardware is great, and for the Video sake and clicks they added some m.2s so what? Take a freaking m.2 to sata adapter and put your old hraddrives on it. Are you all that uninspired to pick your own fraking conclusion out of the video?
I use OneDrive, the fact that it shows you this huge preview of random photos you've backed up to it (the naughtier the better) as soon as you open its website has made my blood pressure go up every time Mom opens its site to point me to some shared document or has to borrow my computer (hers is an ancient potato of a Surface Book with a mechanical drive and busted fans that becomes a slideshow whenever she opens more than 3 browser tabs, whereas mine is a gaming laptop with 32GB of RAM and an SSD). I think I ought to have her make her own account on mine, just so she never sees anything that would haunt her for life.
The Immich Self-hosted photo and video backup solution is highly recommended!
Agreed, love Immich, solved most of my problems with Google Photos and Onedrive. The set up and maintenance is a lot more involved tho, but if you're the type to self-host and build a DIY NAS, then it's probably alright.
The only thing that has kept me from going with Immich has been being able to install as an LXC. It looks fantastic over photoprism even
Been using it since Oct of last year. Super active dev and community, love it :)
You guys literally already broke the website of the manufacturer 😂
Was going to comment that I'm trying to look at their page but they are getting hammered lol
8 hours later, it's still barely working :(
I miss Coral Cache
Makes video about how you shouldn't use cloud storage, brought to you by the people who sell the servers to your cloud storage provider.
What would be interesting, esp. for small business: Seeing this combined with nightly delta mirroring to a suitable cloud service, so as to implement 1 ("different site") of the 3-2-1 strategy.
Great video btw :D the intro was epic 🤣
Awesome board. Did you guys measured power consumption when idle and when streaming?
I was looking for a home storage server, this vid is perfect timing
I think this is one of my favorite intros, plus I love Helmut and hat that just show up randomly, rofl.
I wont say what state in the US, but I live in the #1 most economically stable and most developed counties in my entire state. Yet, the highest upload speeds I can get are 10MB unless I want to pay for gig download which would mean only 35MB upload. We have DOCSIS 3.1 rolled out but are being extremely greedy with upload for reasons only known by their board and God. Such a shame that we have hardly regulated these internet companies that hundreds of thousands of small businesses rely on to provide updated speeds to meet modern demand.
Yep I have Spectrum so same thing, but it's 10Mb not MB. I'm in a state capital city, 1 mi from a major east west interstate, and a college world known for multiple scientific studies etc. Yet the best I can get is 35Mb from cable. AT&T advertises they serve Fiber in the city...yet only a few neighborhoods have it.
But there's hope Spectrum supposedly started upgrading equipment in Jan to allow symmetrical service...so we'll see
Also in a capital city (downtown even) I have 1200 down and ...35 up 😞
I used to get that with cox until I switched to AT&T and now I get sequential speeds.
This is a certified LA moment
Similar over this side of the pond. Although fiber is very common in our country (and being expanded by various companies, even rural areas) coax is no better. The most i can get on coax is 100Mbit upload. Although beats xDSL, this is still far cry from fiber options, that go up to 2.5Gbit symetrical for residential users (thats most that you can get due to passive networks).
Yesterday I was at an event with a few DevOps engineers.
You know what everyone said? - Every cloud is a glorified vendor-lock.
Not one of them disagreed. That says something...
Yeah, multi-cloud is better, so you can credibly threaten to switch if there's a crazy price increase.
That says nothing. When running single cloud you can still use cloud agnostic architectures. Unless you go the full serverless route where the ecosystem becomes more cloud specific, this is a completely meaningless statement.
Yes I run hundreds of mission critical workloads in a (multi-) cloud
@@willemmkuipers It says a lot.
Cloud services are designed to do a lot of work for you, making deployment faster, but in turn locking you in with baffling egress fees. You can spend 0.3x the time doing things with cloud-vendor-specific technologies and ship faster, or do things yourself and then maintain all that stuff, which requires quite a bit more staff.
It's easy to say "it says nothing" where what it says is people use it and they will keep using it. There is always someone who will have to argue with a clueless executive who'll decide that faster shipping time and lower maintenance is worth it anyways, despite the leads explaining for hours that it isn't really that simple.
I mean sure, for DevOps. For the home user just looking to keep their photos safe, cloud makes sense.
@@greebatic Anything that isn't in your control makes no sence.
The only thing cloud is good for is an off-site backup in this case, and that's after the files are encrypted on your side.
Loved the start and the smooth transition lol
You'd still need to backup your NAS on a cloud or some other location's drives, but yeah it's quite cool and affordable compared to other NAS solutions (an optional enclosure should be offered though), thanks for the tip !
Missed opportunity to showcase immich as a full fledged personal photo solution.
Uhhh nope. The reason most of us use the cloud is because it is not at home. If my house is burglarized, is destroyed by fire, tornado, hurricane, flooding, etc., a NAS would be gone. Incidentally, I use a NAS but it is backed up... to the cloud.
Which is why they recommended a proper backup routine, which you should still have if using the cloud.
@@insnprsn But this means you need to make a backup and then put that backup into a off-site location. And bring it back again to update the backup and remember to do that regularly. It becomes a job, just to save money.
@@kwongheng fair, though you could always set the backup up at a tech illiterate (or trusted tech literate) friend/family member's house. You could even offer that in return, they can have 1TB of free cloud storage.
TBH, I think the reason most people use the cloud is because it gets automatically set up on their computer. Not that you give bad reasons though. Personally, I use a NAS and crossed fingers.
@@DanielIkpeamaactually I have been thinking about that, but how do I separate the storage into different family segments?
Welp, we crashed the site again
This is INCREDIBLE. Please do a more indepth tutorial of how to do this! I would love it!
With this little board handling all the NAS/file sharing duties, you could pair it with a mini pc or older SFF office machine for Plex/Jellyfin and other compute needs. As long as that other device has Intel Quick Sync newer than 7th Gen, it should be able to handle 4K HDR10 HEVC/H265 hardware transcoding like a champ (Plex Pass required). What I'd like to know is if this board is compatible with any off-the shelf cases, especially if you want to have some drive bays for HDDs?
This is a creative intro 😂
For syncing I'm a fan of Syncthing -- it took a while to figure it out, but I got there. I use it to sync an Obsidian project, and camera photos. It will mirror to any number of other devices.
Yup been using it forever, with Camera, WhatsApp, Keepassxc, Signal, Music and Obsidian being synced to PC which is then being synced with another offsite system. Using over 1.4 TB with no issues.
321 backup strategy. 3 total locations, 2 on-site, 1 off-site. Still useful to have the pay service and also have the local. Fires and floods happen.