Are cushioned shoes a HORRIBLE idea? Well in the context of long distance running - not really. Stack height padding can be a helpful shoe feature for some - BUT we want to make sure the shoe has zero drop, a wide toe box and no rigid toe spring. This allows your foot to function optimally. Interestingly, the longer a runner uses good shoes, the stronger their foot becomes and usually the less stack height they desire - some even run barefoot! . Shout out @alexfilitti for the opening stitched video & Dr. Ray McClanahan of @correcttoes for the education on shoe stack height!
The phrasing I liked is "you have to earn the right to wear unhealthy shoes." If you're into climbing or certain other sports, your footwear is really harmful to your feet, but it's necessary for that sport. As long as you wear healthy footwear at every other moment in your life, it's ok to wear high stack shoes on a marathon or narrow toe box shoes when you're climbing.
I think you should clarify that most people can't go straight to zero drop. Most people have been wearing high drop shoes their entire lives and if they go straight into a zero drop shoe they may run into problems. I had problems going straight into zero drop and running. My ankle lacked flexibility and the zero drop running led to overstretching my tendons and injury.
It's disgusting to see DPTs like this person. Spreading dangerous ignorant information just to support your biased claims of zero drop shoes. Zero drop shoes are not for everyone, infact most runners will get injured using them. Just plain stupidity coming out of your mouth. 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
But people where them for comfort too because when people ask what are good for standing up at work all day shoes or the most comfortable shoes these are the type of shoes people recommend
most of the running shoes showcased in this videos are maximalist pro runners, they´re ment to be used only for running on your toes for ultimate performance.
@@tomashgrey2211balls of your foot is what he meant, many people call that general front area of your foot your toes, and the whole general back area of your foot the heel
@@Leo-st9ti you are still wrong. They strike with a foot parallel to the ground. That what pro sprinters do. That's what any youtube tutorial or coach will teach you.
@@tomashgrey2211 yes but point of contact does not happen on your heels but on your forefoot, you don’t place your full foot on the floor at once, your strike starts first with the forefoot then moves further back, you feet shouldn’t be pointed but flexed (Dorsi flex), but you still strike on the forefoot
@@kieransoregaard-utt8 for the same reason one might sprain their ankle wearing elevated shoes or even heels applies here. Your feet aren’t glued in this shoe and moves inside of it therefore the higher the elevation from the ground the higher the risk of rolling or spraining your ankle. Do you want me to google that for your “research”?
@@bobabola3399 If you never started wearing modern shoes, you wouldn't have to worry about getting injured. Of course you will get injured if you go from big heel drop to zero without a transition. It's really not that hard to understand. Do you think 4 year olds need to worry about running in bare feet? They haven't f*cked themselves up with modern shoes yet.
Barefoot VS non-barefoot is the new XBOX VS Playstation. If people want to run marathons on their hands or on 12-inch platforms they can do whatever the hell they want. FS
Its not cushion. Its for rebound. Its about energy transfer. Thats ehy we have shoes with carbon fiber mid soles. That energy transfer being efficient means you use less energy when running.
@@TessHKMdepends on where you want to transfer it. A rubber ball is going to bounce a lot longer than a steel ball but the second is guaranteed to transfer some energy into your floor.
Idk if I can agree with this video too much. I personally live with back/ hip/ knee pain and it has decreased dramatically since I’ve switched to high cushion shoes (Nimbus 26) as my daily shoes. Maybe for people with perfect feet/ knees/ hips can benefit from regular flat shoes but definitely not me.
Cushion is a life saver for a people with any foot back problems. I have plantar fasciatis (idk how to spell it properly), basically my heels hurt when I'm walking. And barefoot shoes would kill me in 20 minutes of walking, and worsen my problem. Also all this barefoot will fix everything narratives have zero evidence.
Gotta say, I am one of those weirdos who need a flatter, less cushioned shoe. I tried Nimbus. Had to gift them because my knees killed me. Just too padded. We all have different mechanics. What I see now is people making sweeping statements about what shoes are 'best' The best shoe is the one that is best for you.
I use zero drop foot shape shoes in most of my easy running days, walking and gym sessions, but i found out that for me, this type of shoe cant perform well when im doing longer/faster running efforts and hard running uphills. So occationally, i switch to my 6mm or sometimes deeper drops speed shoes designed to perform for specific purpose. There are speed day/ racing shoes that are toe friendly. As a runner, it is common to have lots of shoes in weekly rotation. toe-socks also helps, it prevents bilsters and allows toes to spreadout while inside the shoes. I also do exercises for the feet and walking barefoot accasionally to keep em healthy.
"the shoe can't perform well" 😂😂. My guy, YOU can't perform well. Barefoot shoes are zero support. Tonnes of people run marathons in barefoot shoes. And our ancestors didn't wear Nike's when chasing antelope 😂
@@LaitoChenmaybe if our ancestors got Nikes they would catch the antilope a lot sooner. Maybe not, point is you don’t know. I think toe spread is useless and even counterproductive when running straight for miles on smooth tarmac. Running more dynamicly (like footballers) added balance from toespread is a huge plus.
Yup agree it’s a good idea to have multiple pairs of shoes especially if you do different activities. So far work/walking & gym/run & recovery works for me
These are running shoes for very specific applications--half and full marathons. They're not everyday shoes or shoes you wear for a jog. The stack height is specific to energy transfer and most running shoes have drops because you want to be running on your forefoot, so a drop helps you maintain that running posture. You can't just make a blanket statement that all drop shoes are bad and stack height isn't ideal. There's a reason why marathon times have gotten so much faster over the last ten years with the technology in these racing shoes.
My man, different shoes for different applications. I walk barefoot at home, lift in barefoot shoes, squat in weightlifting shoes and you bet I will run in max cushioned, heel drop shoes on concrete.
Do you think there’s something unique about concrete? Try walking barefoot on some of the hardened surfaces our ancestors would have walked on. It’s much much worse than nice flat concrete.
@@ericmalitz Concrete is one of the most unforgiving surfaces, running long distance completely barefoot is not recommended, I have ran regularly with 3mm soles on concrete for the last 5 years and it's really not a good idea. I run with zero drop 22mm soles these days and it feels just right on concrete. I still wear barefoot when appropriate, just not for long distance road running. Mainly park walking and occasionally to the gym.
@@JacobChenn Who cares. What is the purpose of this long distance running? Your ancestors may have “jogged” for one reason or another, but not wearing something like what you wear.
He’s a physical therapist not just a oly lifter. He also didn’t say that cushion was bad if you are running long distances. It would be super cool if there were more shoes with a wide toe box and enough cushion for running long distance!
@@Empathy-and-resilience There are loads. My Asics Gel Kayanos are a good example. Tons of padding and support, and a wide toe box. The contentious part of this video is zero-drop shoes.
The statement about zero drop being better (in the context of running) is actually retarded and has zero evidence. Don't get me wrong, there are definitely benefits to wearing zero drop shoes, but they won't make you faster.
This understanding of shoes as related to anatomy misses the fact that humans didn’t evolve to walk around on flat concrete-like surfaces 24 hours a day. It makes sense that our footwear has changed to accommodate the environments we live in. That doesn’t mean cushioned shoes are optimal all the time either, but neither are flat shoes.
"flat" surfaces like you say. That's why you don't need as much cushion as you think. Because many types of "natural" ground can be almost as hard as concrete. But flatness is generally a problem
zero heel drop on a shoe youre using to run 26 miles in just isnt cohesive to anatomy at all. i agree that every day shoes should be as minimal as possible and all shoes should have space for your toes. but youre putting yourself at a major disadvantage if your shoe doesnt have some kind of roll and is actively working against you and your stride.
Terms like 'good' and 'optimum' need to be qualified. These kinds of shoes (such as the one at the start of the video) are extreme examples specifically designed for running. In that context, they are good and are about as close to optimum performance as possible. Why do you want a zero drop shoe for long distance running? Most elite runners do not use zero drop shoes. They also use shoes that point at the end and curl up slightly. You have not made the case for such sweeping statements. I'm not arguing that running shoes are the best shoes in every situation, but you can't deny there's merit to their design. They're made that way for a reason. Come on Squat Uni - you know this!
For serious, high mileage runners, Flat shoes put too much stress on your Achilles tendon. You want around 8mm of drop. The “cushion” isn’t for cushioning. It’s for rebound for more performance in running. These are very focused race shoes in the video. Not intended for everyday jogging around to the grocery store. This video is clickbait.
@@lionelgrisbane No, he's not. He just isn't explaining that it would take a long time to revert back to barefoot. If you never started wearing modern shoes, it wouldn't even be a question. You would walk and run barefoot or with barefoot shoes.
@@adammiller9179you would still be faster in racing shoes. That's like not using a lifting belt in comp because it's not natural and losing because of your stubbornness
That said, modern footwear’s toe boxes are awful which cause us to underuse our toes when we conduct any activity, where products such as barefoot shoes remind us of. If your toe box is good and you engage your toes during exercise, the other shoes are still fine to use.
People who wear high-performance shoes like that only wear them for a few hours at a time. Especially when they're training, some don't train in their race day shoes.
Hi runner here, how bout you shut up and focus on lifting. Yes lifting shoes should stay near 0 drop but for running its just not optimal and a 10mm drop isn’t going to hurt the average person.
In running, you land on forefoot or midfoot. What happens if you land on a heel? The knee is locked, meniscus is already compressed and you hit meniscus with all body weight! Heel landing is a way to meniscus tear and arthritis! So, no heel landing! More extreme - no heel touch of the ground during running! But when you do forefoot/midfoot landing your heel is hanging in the air. This is the natural drop. I prefer to have some padding on a heel and do not hang it in the air. So, I do my runs in high drop well cushioned shoes - Adidas Boston 10 (8mm drop according to internet).
@@FreddyD177 Never used but would buy Hokas to try. Looking for Hoka Speedgoat since my trail running shoes are worn off. But for trail running I prefer flat shoes with no drop since when run downhill I land on a heel and stability is important. Oncloud - no opinion.
@@thenayancat8802 for better performance, padded shoes do help (especially for marathons). If you want healthy feet and longevity for your joints, I think it's better to go with barefoot shoes (or even no shoes whenever you can). The logic behind it is that you use more of your muscles with less support, thus making them stronger.
People are complaining about these shoes, but they do everything they set out to do, they are for flat ground running and just that, if you’re running on trails, or using them as everyday shoes then you are likely to get hurt. The shoes are good but you wouldn’t use a chainsaw as a nail file right? So don’t use shoes for one thing for another thing
Couldn't disagree more: the "rocker" design of the Nike running shoes is incredible. They're NOT walking shoes and do not need stability at the toes...!
@@chrisdturnerman, some of the barefoot folks are on some special mental gymnastics. I love my barefoot shoes for lifting, but not for running on concrete lmao
This is BS !! I weigh 110 kilos and 196cm tall and have a conditon of a so called flat foot. Testes everything from sport to shoes inlets. The only thing i dont get pain in my foot nerve, is a shoe having this much buffer 😊
@addahandle-k8d yes I am an adult, I already have zero drop shoes, but I'm more or less looking for the ones that have cushion but also still meet a zero drop and barefoot toe box. No need to be a douche....
On vacation, sightseeing, I’ve done 25k to 30k steps a day for a couple of weeks in barefoot shoes without any problems. I need to use the insole though, otherwise I find it too harsh. On my Vivobarefoot shoes, the sole is 2.5mm thick, the insole about 3mm.
@@TessHKM that’s a fair point. I ask because I work in a factory and my toes still aren’t used to engaging during walking and it gives me foot cramps very similar to hand cramps when your hands get pushed beyond their limits
I stocked shelves in one of those big food club warehouses overnight on smooth as glass concrete wearing (zero drop, 4mm sole) Xero Speedforces. Never had any issues with my feet. In fact, marveled at how connected and planted I was doing that job.
@@zacariasnelson5753 i guess different solution for different people. I think you should experiment by wearing different set up. But i guess you can use solid outer sole, but more midsole cushion. Or, you can modify your shoes by applying softer insole with your current shoes.
Next tip from this guru, don’t wear underwear it’s bad for your balls… matter of fact just train naked, proceeds to show an example of Neanderthal man hunting naked and how natural and strong he was.
Bro for running there are different needs. None of this is factual. The Saucony Endorphin Elite 2 which was pictured is pinnacle of running technology. Cushion is required to prevent injuries in runners.
this is the only thing i don't like about your channel. who tf runs in a wide, flat zero drop weight lifting shoes? if you run wear a running shoe, if you play basketball wear a basketball shoes and if you lift weights then that's where your advice comes in play
"if you play basketball wear a basketball shoes" - Look at the feet of famous NBA players; their feet took a beating because of their so called basketball shoes. Fashion over function. (Can't sell them if they look ugly AF)
@@kamotetops1572 coz they play, train for like 4 to 6 hours a day. i play ball everyday but i don't have those kind of feets coz i only play an hour or two a day. plus it's not about fashion, it's created for performance. athletic shoes is created for performance. i didn't say wear a fucking slim leather shoes for your everyday casual attire. i said if your playing sports wear the proper shoes for the proper sports and that also includes what he's saying but that's only applicable for weightlifting and i do wear those kind of shoes in the gym not the basketball one's.
Yes, he is speaking outside his expertise here. Studies have shown there is nothing wrong with wearing highly cushioned shoes with heel drops for running. It’s also highly dependent on the individual which type of running shoe is best for them
@@shinobilordz "coz they play, train for like 4 to 6 hours a day" - That is the POINT of why the famous ones are the one I gave example as they are the ones who trains and play longer on a high level. "athletic shoes is created for performance" - A quick google of their feet would show that those NARROW toe box is NOT created for them to have a better performance; But for those shoes to SELL! (Even I would have a second thought about buying a shoe that looks like a clown shoes - wide toe box) I'm just talking about the toe box as they are GLARING if you see NBA players feet.
This guy is talking outside his expertise, please don’t listen to him on this subject. He’s a weightlifter and trainer, not a runner. There’s a reason runners wear these types of shoes and they all serve a purpose. Studies have shown that none of these types of running shoes are “bad”.
@@bruv43 yes, and there’s nothing “unhealthy” about the types of running shoe he disparages. Maybe do some research on the subject so you can see for yourself.
I’m not able to leave my house or go anywhere, and sometimes it is really hard to get things done in a chaotic environment. I find it really helpful to wake up early before the other people in my family to get really important stuff done. I think it’s really fun to wake up at the same time every day. I loved this video! Keep up the great work!
Or maybe because you're a modern human that's been wearing modern shoes for years or decades. Modern human anatomy is exactly the same as humans 10,000+ years ago. And we evolved in the plains and savannas of Africa... Flat ground.
@@adammiller9179flat ground with give. let those same mfs from 10000+ years ago run constantly on concrete and harder surfaces and i reckon they’ll want padding too. stop glazing the ancient humans. we’ve evolved, most of us have become smarter too, you not so much
@@lyinbobbycottonseed Imagine having a rigid neck brace 8h per day since you were a child. Of course you would injure your neck without it. But your neck was made to work without a brace. If you want to get back, you'll need to do it progressively. It's the same for the shoes.
@@Floyd..B no, it’s not the same at all, since neck anatomy isn’t even close to foot anatomy. Please stop speaking on subjects you’re not educated about.
@@lyinbobbycottonseed It's EXACTLY the same. Modern shoes are like casts for our feet. Our feet, ankles, lower legs all lose strength and function as a result.
Let's all just pray for Justin. At the core of it all, this man has been a victim since about 10 years old. With everything we know about Diddy, if you even set your mouth to say a bad thing about this man's choices, you are trash. This man was assaulted as a child and clearly seen in videos scared to react and answering carefully. Y'all watched grown women molest him in front of an audience on stage. There's always a risk of him relapsing because that is how he has dealt with those horrifying memories. So every time he gets stressed, that is always a temptation
“It’s not what you like, it’s what you dislike. It disrespects those you dislike” This is just tone policing. “I dont disagree with what you said, I just don’t like how you said it”. If you’re fat and you don’t like it eat less or workout more. Trust me it’s much easier than trying to change what men are attracted to.
Yeah depending on the person flat and 0 stack shoes aren’t good for you. Especially for long distance running. I get flat and barefoot running, but it’s not great for everyone
You had my respect until you started pushing barefoot shoes. You are wrong in so many ways and it's sad to see. Frustrating, considering how careful you normally are around exercise and movement.
@@EvilestGem yep. He’s acting like one size fits all. Barefoot shoes are absolutely not for everyone, every person has different feet and different needs for their legs depending on anatomy and previous injuries.
@@HighCarbDiabeticV wrong. There are zero studies proving barefoot shoes make your feet stronger. I’ve never worn them and my feet are 10x stronger than yours.
That means your feet and lower leg are weak. From experience, you do not need "support" from a shoe. (I have mid/high arches, so no, you don't need "arch support" either.) Slowly work up to longer duration and your feet & ankles will be WAY stronger. You'll laugh at the thought of "support" after that. I will say, having moderate, zero-drop cushion is still important on hard surfaces.
@@YourUpstairsNeighbor I used to walk a lot on very low shoes. As I got older, I couldn't anymore, so it is not just a case of practice. I don't have an arch at all, so shoes that have the inner side taller than the outside work wonders for me.
@@YourUpstairsNeighbor you don’t know what you’re talking about, your personal experience is anecdotal and may not apply to others. You have no scientific research to back up your statements. Nothing you said is true.
Whatever product he’s selling.. it’s NOT for running. This guys a PT not a runner. Having running shoes is way smarter than the zero drop shoes he’s peddling.
With these type of shoe you are supposed to run fast and only use the fist part, and never the full sole! They dont even have grip in the back. Flying shoes are good for flyers not runners under 4.30 min/km
I'm tired of this barefoot shoe brainwashing. Selling your shoe shouldn't re-wire what people know about feet. Wear your barefoot shoes moderately. Don't wear them on flat surfaces. The human foot wasn't designed for flat surfaces.
I ran a marathon in Xero shoes without the extra insole, so I was essentially barefoot. I didn’t have any problems. Most people don’t understand that you have to run differently when you don’t have padding on your shoes. You can no longer carelessly run on your heels. Heel-striking causes knee pain that you can’t feel right away when you have cushion which is why it develops overtime for most people. But when you have barefoot shoes you can feel it instantly and it forces you to fix your form.
Barefoot shoes are a scam. As long as you buy a shoe that is fit for purpose, has plenty of room for your toes, and is not loose on your foot, you will be fine. Your feet take a lot of abuse especially when you are young so don’t mistreat them by buying bad footwear you will regret it as you age.
If you are surrounded by unpaved surfaces, then wear barefoot or walk barefoot. If you walk on pavement of any sort, please wear proper shoes, don't destroy your joints and spine
Why would you do that? They're not basketball shoes. They're marathon racing shoes. You don't play basketball in slides and then complain about them do you?
Here's the problem with going barefoot in the modern world. If you're running on track material, sand, soil or raised (sprung) wooden floors, great. Our feet are made for those kinds of floors, and our ancestors mostly ran barefoot or with thin sandals on them. But modem floors where people go running at is moatly hard - asphalt, gravel and tar roads, concrete pavements, etc. Too much impact on joints and the rest of the body. Modern shoes made with lots of cushion are made to absorb those impacts. Pick your shoes mindfully, based on what kind of surface you'll be running on...
Not everyone needs a massive reduction in pronation. Your subtalar joint needs to evert for your tibia and femur to internally rotate and activate the glute max
Are cushioned shoes a HORRIBLE idea? Well in the context of long distance running - not really. Stack height padding can be a helpful shoe feature for some - BUT we want to make sure the shoe has zero drop, a wide toe box and no rigid toe spring. This allows your foot to function optimally. Interestingly, the longer a runner uses good shoes, the stronger their foot becomes and usually the less stack height they desire - some even run barefoot!
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Shout out @alexfilitti for the opening stitched video & Dr. Ray McClanahan of @correcttoes for the education on shoe stack height!
The phrasing I liked is "you have to earn the right to wear unhealthy shoes."
If you're into climbing or certain other sports, your footwear is really harmful to your feet, but it's necessary for that sport. As long as you wear healthy footwear at every other moment in your life, it's ok to wear high stack shoes on a marathon or narrow toe box shoes when you're climbing.
I think you should clarify that most people can't go straight to zero drop. Most people have been wearing high drop shoes their entire lives and if they go straight into a zero drop shoe they may run into problems. I had problems going straight into zero drop and running. My ankle lacked flexibility and the zero drop running led to overstretching my tendons and injury.
@@SquatUniversity you don’t know what you’re talking about, bruh. No good running shoes are zero drop, if you want to run with any speed at all.
Where can we find such running shoes? Pleasee
It's disgusting to see DPTs like this person. Spreading dangerous ignorant information just to support your biased claims of zero drop shoes. Zero drop shoes are not for everyone, infact most runners will get injured using them. Just plain stupidity coming out of your mouth. 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
Barefoot shoe mfs when their shoes got a 0.2 mm drop: 😡 😡 😡
no joke i wore down the tread on the toes of my shoes and i can feel the difference
Me
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My shoes have 5mm drop 😵😵😵😵😵😵
The opening examples are not designed to be good for you. Rather they are race shoes for people that value times above all else.
But people where them for comfort too because when people ask what are good for standing up at work all day shoes or the most comfortable shoes these are the type of shoes people recommend
@@redhunnid5142 Not where I am. I know one person that wears vaporflys for work and everyone laughs at them.
Rightfully so 😭😂
Nah ur supposed to wear shoes with minimal padding
@@Ali94749 That's a terrible idea haha
most of the running shoes showcased in this videos are maximalist pro runners, they´re ment to be used only for running on your toes for ultimate performance.
Omg, not a single pro athlete runs on tòes 🤡
@@tomashgrey2211 Was going to say this....unless they're running uphill of course haha
@@tomashgrey2211balls of your foot is what he meant, many people call that general front area of your foot your toes, and the whole general back area of your foot the heel
@@Leo-st9ti you are still wrong. They strike with a foot parallel to the ground. That what pro sprinters do. That's what any youtube tutorial or coach will teach you.
@@tomashgrey2211 yes but point of contact does not happen on your heels but on your forefoot, you don’t place your full foot on the floor at once, your strike starts first with the forefoot then moves further back, you feet shouldn’t be pointed but flexed (Dorsi flex), but you still strike on the forefoot
I felt the pain of a sprained ankle, just by watching this.
Those shoes don’t cause sprained ankles
@@kieransoregaard-utt8 It literally just showed how one could do such. Lol
@@bloodmoon920 nope. There is no more risk for ankle sprains running in these shoes than any other shoes. Do some research.
@@kieransoregaard-utt8 for the same reason one might sprain their ankle wearing elevated shoes or even heels applies here. Your feet aren’t glued in this shoe and moves inside of it therefore the higher the elevation from the ground the higher the risk of rolling or spraining your ankle. Do you want me to google that for your “research”?
@@bloodmoon920 lmao. You just don’t understand foot and ankle anatomy. Stack height doesn’t cause ankle sprains.
I'm starting to think most of these people in the comments know nothing about the intricacies of marathon running.
Nah, they want you to run barefoot to get injured faster
@@bobabola3399 😂🤣🤣😆
@@bobabola3399 If you never started wearing modern shoes, you wouldn't have to worry about getting injured. Of course you will get injured if you go from big heel drop to zero without a transition. It's really not that hard to understand. Do you think 4 year olds need to worry about running in bare feet? They haven't f*cked themselves up with modern shoes yet.
@@adammiller9179 do 4 yo run marathons?
Barefoot VS non-barefoot is the new XBOX VS Playstation. If people want to run marathons on their hands or on 12-inch platforms they can do whatever the hell they want. FS
Its not cushion. Its for rebound. Its about energy transfer. Thats ehy we have shoes with carbon fiber mid soles. That energy transfer being efficient means you use less energy when running.
Aren't rigid materials best/most efficient at transferring energy?
@TessHKM you’re dealing with the human body which would break down fast with stiff hard surfaces
@@TessHKMdepends on where you want to transfer it.
A rubber ball is going to bounce a lot longer than a steel ball but the second is guaranteed to transfer some energy into your floor.
Who you trying to explain to? Barefoot shoes is a cult, like vegan, carnivore, yoga, intermittent fasting, you name it.
Lol you really believe this commercial crap
BUT THEN WHERE ARE THE SHOES WITH WIDE TOEBOXES
Altra and Topo Athletics
“Barefoot running shoes in my location”
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@@2D_Strangeraltra doesn’t make 4e shoes though, so unfortunately they still pinch my forefoot
@Orangetong I have found several pairs of shoes on Amazon with a wide toe box that have cushion on the bottom.
I have LEMS casual shoes. Which aren't barefoot (because no). Very comfy
Idk if I can agree with this video too much. I personally live with back/ hip/ knee pain and it has decreased dramatically since I’ve switched to high cushion shoes (Nimbus 26) as my daily shoes. Maybe for people with perfect feet/ knees/ hips can benefit from regular flat shoes but definitely not me.
Don’t tell barefoot people they believe cushion is the cause of all pain. It’s no suprise max cushion shoes took over after the barefoot fad
Cushion is a life saver for a people with any foot back problems. I have plantar fasciatis (idk how to spell it properly), basically my heels hurt when I'm walking. And barefoot shoes would kill me in 20 minutes of walking, and worsen my problem. Also all this barefoot will fix everything narratives have zero evidence.
Gotta say, I am one of those weirdos who need a flatter, less cushioned shoe. I tried Nimbus. Had to gift them because my knees killed me. Just too padded.
We all have different mechanics. What I see now is people making sweeping statements about what shoes are 'best' The best shoe is the one that is best for you.
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This is the correct statement. And for many things as well like diets/ eating patterns, workout routines.
Yeah I got the Nimbus this year and my plantar fasciitis is improved. Idk if I can go to zero drop.
Bros got Moonshoes
The key is to understand the difference between a performance shoe and a training shoe and an everyday shoe.
It all applies relatively the same. Majority of those shoes aren’t properly structured for the foot.
I use zero drop foot shape shoes in most of my easy running days, walking and gym sessions, but i found out that for me, this type of shoe cant perform well when im doing longer/faster running efforts and hard running uphills. So occationally, i switch to my 6mm or sometimes deeper drops speed shoes designed to perform for specific purpose. There are speed day/ racing shoes that are toe friendly. As a runner, it is common to have lots of shoes in weekly rotation. toe-socks also helps, it prevents bilsters and allows toes to spreadout while inside the shoes. I also do exercises for the feet and walking barefoot accasionally to keep em healthy.
"the shoe can't perform well" 😂😂. My guy, YOU can't perform well. Barefoot shoes are zero support. Tonnes of people run marathons in barefoot shoes. And our ancestors didn't wear Nike's when chasing antelope 😂
@@LaitoChenyou know nothing about shoe mechanics and racing
@@LaitoChenmaybe if our ancestors got Nikes they would catch the antilope a lot sooner. Maybe not, point is you don’t know. I think toe spread is useless and even counterproductive when running straight for miles on smooth tarmac. Running more dynamicly (like footballers) added balance from toespread is a huge plus.
Yup agree it’s a good idea to have multiple pairs of shoes especially if you do different activities. So far work/walking & gym/run & recovery works for me
when someone runs 2:01 marathon in wide toe box, zero drop shoe then we can talk.
what do u wanna talk about?
These are running shoes for very specific applications--half and full marathons. They're not everyday shoes or shoes you wear for a jog. The stack height is specific to energy transfer and most running shoes have drops because you want to be running on your forefoot, so a drop helps you maintain that running posture. You can't just make a blanket statement that all drop shoes are bad and stack height isn't ideal. There's a reason why marathon times have gotten so much faster over the last ten years with the technology in these racing shoes.
My man, different shoes for different applications.
I walk barefoot at home, lift in barefoot shoes, squat in weightlifting shoes and you bet I will run in max cushioned, heel drop shoes on concrete.
once u get used to it u can run barefoot on concrete i do it all the time, i even run faster barefoot
Do you think there’s something unique about concrete? Try walking barefoot on some of the hardened surfaces our ancestors would have walked on. It’s much much worse than nice flat concrete.
@@ericmalitz Concrete is one of the most unforgiving surfaces, running long distance completely barefoot is not recommended, I have ran regularly with 3mm soles on concrete for the last 5 years and it's really not a good idea. I run with zero drop 22mm soles these days and it feels just right on concrete. I still wear barefoot when appropriate, just not for long distance road running. Mainly park walking and occasionally to the gym.
@@JacobChenn
Who cares. What is the purpose of this long distance running? Your ancestors may have “jogged” for one reason or another, but not wearing something like what you wear.
@@ericmalitz I'm just replying because your comment suggested concrete was no big deal for running so I shared my experience
Altra make my favorite zero drop, wide toe box shoe that still has a variety of options for comfortable padding.
My man has some pretty strong running opinions for an oly lifter. Maybe I should go and ask some runners what they think about squat depth?
I just used leg press
He’s a physical therapist not just a oly lifter. He also didn’t say that cushion was bad if you are running long distances. It would be super cool if there were more shoes with a wide toe box and enough cushion for running long distance!
@@Empathy-and-resilience There are loads. My Asics Gel Kayanos are a good example. Tons of padding and support, and a wide toe box. The contentious part of this video is zero-drop shoes.
The statement about zero drop being better (in the context of running) is actually retarded and has zero evidence. Don't get me wrong, there are definitely benefits to wearing zero drop shoes, but they won't make you faster.
Asics do not have a wide toe box. The only shoes I can think of are from Altra and Joe Nimble who combine cushion, zero drop and a wide toe box.
Bro speaks in clickbait😂
Where did you get your education?
This understanding of shoes as related to anatomy misses the fact that humans didn’t evolve to walk around on flat concrete-like surfaces 24 hours a day. It makes sense that our footwear has changed to accommodate the environments we live in. That doesn’t mean cushioned shoes are optimal all the time either, but neither are flat shoes.
@@ckvon9644 ok, but we are talking about health here, so let's stick to what works, no matter if that's "the truth"
Mankind didn't "evolve".
@@JamielsMuJohn 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
"flat" surfaces like you say. That's why you don't need as much cushion as you think. Because many types of "natural" ground can be almost as hard as concrete. But flatness is generally a problem
@@ckvon9644 😂😂😂😂😂
Okay this guy knows what hes talking about for a normal person. These shoes are for elite runners
Clickbait video from a guy who knows nothing about running shoes
zero heel drop on a shoe youre using to run 26 miles in just isnt cohesive to anatomy at all. i agree that every day shoes should be as minimal as possible and all shoes should have space for your toes. but youre putting yourself at a major disadvantage if your shoe doesnt have some kind of roll and is actively working against you and your stride.
Sounds right but is it? 👀
Have you ever ran in a zero drop shoe? I have in my Altra Olympus 5 runners and they feel good.
I agree. My everyday shoes are zero drop, wide toe box, etc. but I refuse to wear something like that when running marathons. No thanks.
@@bingorfm724 because your muscles are not used to proper anatomical functions
@@RadDadisRad you’re not running a marathon or half marathon in those if you’re fast or smart
Terms like 'good' and 'optimum' need to be qualified. These kinds of shoes (such as the one at the start of the video) are extreme examples specifically designed for running. In that context, they are good and are about as close to optimum performance as possible.
Why do you want a zero drop shoe for long distance running? Most elite runners do not use zero drop shoes. They also use shoes that point at the end and curl up slightly. You have not made the case for such sweeping statements.
I'm not arguing that running shoes are the best shoes in every situation, but you can't deny there's merit to their design. They're made that way for a reason. Come on Squat Uni - you know this!
For serious, high mileage runners, Flat shoes put too much stress on your Achilles tendon.
You want around 8mm of drop.
The “cushion” isn’t for cushioning. It’s for rebound for more performance in running.
These are very focused race shoes in the video. Not intended for everyday jogging around to the grocery store.
This video is clickbait.
I’ll listen to this guy about lifting weights only….not my running shoes!!!!
Same
Good choice. He’s out of his depth here. This is bordering on misinformation.
@@lionelgrisbane No, he's not. He just isn't explaining that it would take a long time to revert back to barefoot. If you never started wearing modern shoes, it wouldn't even be a question. You would walk and run barefoot or with barefoot shoes.
@@adammiller9179you would still be faster in racing shoes. That's like not using a lifting belt in comp because it's not natural and losing because of your stubbornness
@@Shvabicu lifting belts don't deform your feet tho
That said, modern footwear’s toe boxes are awful which cause us to underuse our toes when we conduct any activity, where products such as barefoot shoes remind us of. If your toe box is good and you engage your toes during exercise, the other shoes are still fine to use.
Try that with lateral movement your foot will slide in your shoe and if it’s really bad will cause injury
People who wear high-performance shoes like that only wear them for a few hours at a time. Especially when they're training, some don't train in their race day shoes.
Hi runner here, how bout you shut up and focus on lifting. Yes lifting shoes should stay near 0 drop but for running its just not optimal and a 10mm drop isn’t going to hurt the average person.
chill, its just a running shoe.
Maybe u should be running rather crying here
No it shouldn’t if you’re squatting. A oly shoe is designed to mechanically advantage your body
In running, you land on forefoot or midfoot. What happens if you land on a heel? The knee is locked, meniscus is already compressed and you hit meniscus with all body weight! Heel landing is a way to meniscus tear and arthritis!
So, no heel landing! More extreme - no heel touch of the ground during running! But when you do forefoot/midfoot landing your heel is hanging in the air. This is the natural drop. I prefer to have some padding on a heel and do not hang it in the air.
So, I do my runs in high drop well cushioned shoes - Adidas Boston 10 (8mm drop according to internet).
@@te1ephraq exactly
Hokas or Onclouds any opinions?
@@FreddyD177 Never used but would buy Hokas to try. Looking for Hoka Speedgoat since my trail running shoes are worn off. But for trail running I prefer flat shoes with no drop since when run downhill I land on a heel and stability is important. Oncloud - no opinion.
@@FreddyD177 both good brands, but go test them out (preferably at the end of a day when your feet are tired and/or just a bit swollen).
How ur ankles doin
What's this actually based on? Vibes? Research? Your stakes in relevant companies?
He owns part of a company that sells barefoot shoes, so…
All his points are valid. I know from experience!
@@blaz988 idk, anthropology/what our feet are "supposed" to look like tells me exactly jack shit about what makes a good running shoe
@@thenayancat8802 for better performance, padded shoes do help (especially for marathons). If you want healthy feet and longevity for your joints, I think it's better to go with barefoot shoes (or even no shoes whenever you can). The logic behind it is that you use more of your muscles with less support, thus making them stronger.
@@blaz988 no. The information he presents in this video is not correct.
Why? This guy never backs his bullshit with evidence.
People are complaining about these shoes, but they do everything they set out to do, they are for flat ground running and just that, if you’re running on trails, or using them as everyday shoes then you are likely to get hurt. The shoes are good but you wouldn’t use a chainsaw as a nail file right? So don’t use shoes for one thing for another thing
Couldn't disagree more: the "rocker" design of the Nike running shoes is incredible. They're NOT walking shoes and do not need stability at the toes...!
i like how he didn't address the main subject of the video
My ankles are dying at that cushion. Almost as much as my eyes were dying when I saw those spread toes! Lol
You ever trained for a marathon? This aint your lane homeboy
Exactly
You've never heard of indigenous peoples in Mexico who run 100 miles plus in sandals.
Do you know when the first marathon was run? 490 BC. What do you think he had on his feet?
@@adammiller9179did they run on concrete pavements then too?
@@chrisdturnerman, some of the barefoot folks are on some special mental gymnastics. I love my barefoot shoes for lifting, but not for running on concrete lmao
I’ve been using zero drop shoes since 2020 for hiking and love them. That’s all I will use now.
That shoe seems like it could make rolling your ankle easier.
….. bro I can feel my ankle crying from here
My ankle could never
shoes with a bit more cushion than that are BANNED from racing cuz they’re too fast 🏎️💨
they’re not for casual comfort 🤦
This is BS !! I weigh 110 kilos and 196cm tall and have a conditon of a so called flat foot. Testes everything from sport to shoes inlets. The only thing i dont get pain in my foot nerve, is a shoe having this much buffer 😊
My ankles hurt already haha
I need a list of shoes that meet that requirement at the end....
Are you an adult? Go and do your homework like everyone else needs to. Nobody needs to spoon feed you information mate.
Vivobarefoots
Lems. Xero.
@addahandle-k8d yes I am an adult, I already have zero drop shoes, but I'm more or less looking for the ones that have cushion but also still meet a zero drop and barefoot toe box. No need to be a douche....
@@dux_bellorum But why do you think you need cushioning?
What about folks that work jobs that make them get a lot of mileage on flat concrete floors? I feel like the barefoot shoes would hurt from no cushion
On vacation, sightseeing, I’ve done 25k to 30k steps a day for a couple of weeks in barefoot shoes without any problems. I need to use the insole though, otherwise I find it too harsh. On my Vivobarefoot shoes, the sole is 2.5mm thick, the insole about 3mm.
You'd be surprised. Your feet are their own cushions. Barefoot shoes were the only kind I could tolerate when I worked at the roundhouse.
@@TessHKM that’s a fair point. I ask because I work in a factory and my toes still aren’t used to engaging during walking and it gives me foot cramps very similar to hand cramps when your hands get pushed beyond their limits
I stocked shelves in one of those big food club warehouses overnight on smooth as glass concrete wearing (zero drop, 4mm sole) Xero Speedforces. Never had any issues with my feet. In fact, marveled at how connected and planted I was doing that job.
@@zacariasnelson5753 i guess different solution for different people. I think you should experiment by wearing different set up. But i guess you can use solid outer sole, but more midsole cushion. Or, you can modify your shoes by applying softer insole with your current shoes.
Most running shoe manufacturers do not make zero drop shoes. Have you ever considered why?
Amazing Podcast!
Loved every bit of it.
Very mature and Candid Conversation.
Next tip from this guru, don’t wear underwear it’s bad for your balls… matter of fact just train naked, proceeds to show an example of Neanderthal man hunting naked and how natural and strong he was.
Except tight underwear IS bad for your balls . Look it up
Bro for running there are different needs. None of this is factual. The Saucony Endorphin Elite 2 which was pictured is pinnacle of running technology. Cushion is required to prevent injuries in runners.
That cushion looks dangerous for sprained ankles
this is the only thing i don't like about your channel. who tf runs in a wide, flat zero drop weight lifting shoes? if you run wear a running shoe, if you play basketball wear a basketball shoes and if you lift weights then that's where your advice comes in play
"if you play basketball wear a basketball shoes" - Look at the feet of famous NBA players; their feet took a beating because of their so called basketball shoes.
Fashion over function.
(Can't sell them if they look ugly AF)
@@kamotetops1572 coz they play, train for like 4 to 6 hours a day. i play ball everyday but i don't have those kind of feets coz i only play an hour or two a day. plus it's not about fashion, it's created for performance. athletic shoes is created for performance. i didn't say wear a fucking slim leather shoes for your everyday casual attire. i said if your playing sports wear the proper shoes for the proper sports and that also includes what he's saying but that's only applicable for weightlifting and i do wear those kind of shoes in the gym not the basketball one's.
Yes, he is speaking outside his expertise here. Studies have shown there is nothing wrong with wearing highly cushioned shoes with heel drops for running. It’s also highly dependent on the individual which type of running shoe is best for them
@@kamotetops1572 you’re generalizing, and that’s a logical fallacy. You haven’t seen or examined the feet of every nba player.
@@shinobilordz "coz they play, train for like 4 to 6 hours a day" - That is the POINT of why the famous ones are the one I gave example as they are the ones who trains and play longer on a high level.
"athletic shoes is created for performance" - A quick google of their feet would show that those NARROW toe box is NOT created for them to have a better performance; But for those shoes to SELL! (Even I would have a second thought about buying a shoe that looks like a clown shoes - wide toe box)
I'm just talking about the toe box as they are GLARING if you see NBA players feet.
This guy is talking outside his expertise, please don’t listen to him on this subject. He’s a weightlifter and trainer, not a runner. There’s a reason runners wear these types of shoes and they all serve a purpose. Studies have shown that none of these types of running shoes are “bad”.
Its about health.
@@bruv43 yes, and there’s nothing “unhealthy” about the types of running shoe he disparages. Maybe do some research on the subject so you can see for yourself.
He's a DPT.
I agree 100%. In just one video he's lost a good chunk of my respect.
@@TheRealMathilda for people with foot problems, not for people with very strong feet from running countless miles.
I’m not able to leave my house or go anywhere, and sometimes it is really hard to get things done in a chaotic environment. I find it really helpful to wake up early before the other people in my family to get really important stuff done. I think it’s really fun to wake up at the same time every day. I loved this video! Keep up the great work!
Do people really run on their heels? That's the body's brake.
Flat shoes always hurt my feet.
maybe cuz I'm a modern human always walking Ang running on concrete.
Or maybe because you're a modern human that's been wearing modern shoes for years or decades. Modern human anatomy is exactly the same as humans 10,000+ years ago. And we evolved in the plains and savannas of Africa... Flat ground.
are you making sure your fully engaging all the muscles within your foot?
@@adammiller9179flat ground with give. let those same mfs from 10000+ years ago run constantly on concrete and harder surfaces and i reckon they’ll want padding too. stop glazing the ancient humans. we’ve evolved, most of us have become smarter too, you not so much
So you’re saying all the research running shoe brands have done over the years is a complete waste?😊
Yea, he doesn’t know what he’s talking about
@@lyinbobbycottonseed Imagine having a rigid neck brace 8h per day since you were a child. Of course you would injure your neck without it. But your neck was made to work without a brace. If you want to get back, you'll need to do it progressively. It's the same for the shoes.
@@Floyd..B no, it’s not the same at all, since neck anatomy isn’t even close to foot anatomy. Please stop speaking on subjects you’re not educated about.
@@lyinbobbycottonseed You believe what you want, I've done research and I know podiatrists and specialists that say the same as me.
@@lyinbobbycottonseed It's EXACTLY the same. Modern shoes are like casts for our feet. Our feet, ankles, lower legs all lose strength and function as a result.
This is scary, my ankles just aren't that strong.
Let's all just pray for Justin. At the core of it all, this man has been a victim since about 10 years old. With everything we know about Diddy, if you even set your mouth to say a bad thing about this man's choices, you are trash. This man was assaulted as a child and clearly seen in videos scared to react and answering carefully. Y'all watched grown women molest him in front of an audience on stage. There's always a risk of him relapsing because that is how he has dealt with those horrifying memories. So every time he gets stressed, that is always a temptation
🙋♂️ horrible
The 1st shoe will break your ankle.
Barefoot shoe stans are as annoying as linux users. Holy shit
I agree with lifting weight with flat wide shoes but not for running bro lol
Ankle breaker 😂
Endorphin Elite 2's looking nice. 👌🏻 That'll be my 2025 pickup, have too many supershoes right now.
“It’s not what you like, it’s what you dislike. It disrespects those you dislike”
This is just tone policing. “I dont disagree with what you said, I just don’t like how you said it”.
If you’re fat and you don’t like it eat less or workout more. Trust me it’s much easier than trying to change what men are attracted to.
That first one looks fun, but at some point you're twisting an ankle.
10/10 would roll my ankles and injure myself with these kind of shoes 😂😂
No you wouldn’t
Yeah, those shoes are TERRIBLE
Yeah depending on the person flat and 0 stack shoes aren’t good for you. Especially for long distance running. I get flat and barefoot running, but it’s not great for everyone
those shoes look like only have 3-4 uses and then start breaking
You had my respect until you started pushing barefoot shoes. You are wrong in so many ways and it's sad to see. Frustrating, considering how careful you normally are around exercise and movement.
@@EvilestGem yep. He’s acting like one size fits all. Barefoot shoes are absolutely not for everyone, every person has different feet and different needs for their legs depending on anatomy and previous injuries.
Been wearing barefoot shoes for two years now. My feet are larger, wider, stronger, more stable. Barefoot shoes should be the goal for most.
@@HighCarbDiabeticV That's great they helped you but what can help one person may hinder another and we need to respect that.
@@HighCarbDiabeticV wrong. There are zero studies proving barefoot shoes make your feet stronger. I’ve never worn them and my feet are 10x stronger than yours.
@@lyinbobbycottonseed Lol, your feet are probably weak, deformed and minging, if you’re not wearing foot shaped shoes
there is nothing that can persuade me into wearing barefoot shoes
The truth is that these are running shoes for non runners. Runners know what kind of show to buy and it's nothing like that.
Barefoot shoes are good and all, unless you got pronate feet. The ankles can't handle long walks without some extra support
That means your feet and lower leg are weak. From experience, you do not need "support" from a shoe. (I have mid/high arches, so no, you don't need "arch support" either.) Slowly work up to longer duration and your feet & ankles will be WAY stronger. You'll laugh at the thought of "support" after that.
I will say, having moderate, zero-drop cushion is still important on hard surfaces.
@@YourUpstairsNeighbor I used to walk a lot on very low shoes. As I got older, I couldn't anymore, so it is not just a case of practice. I don't have an arch at all, so shoes that have the inner side taller than the outside work wonders for me.
@@YourUpstairsNeighbor you don’t know what you’re talking about, your personal experience is anecdotal and may not apply to others. You have no scientific research to back up your statements. Nothing you said is true.
Whatever product he’s selling.. it’s NOT for running. This guys a PT not a runner. Having running shoes is way smarter than the zero drop shoes he’s peddling.
As a flatfooter-- i wholeheartedly agree!!
I ain't climbing ladders with that.
Good thing they're marathon racing shoes.
Target Audience
Shoe: Competitive Runners
This guy: weight lifters
This is like people complaining about why their cars make more noise on sport mode
This one should be called "Ankle Twister" 😼 😎
do not trust this guy for shoe advice, he genuinely has no idea what he’s talking about
With these type of shoe you are supposed to run fast and only use the fist part, and never the full sole! They dont even have grip in the back.
Flying shoes are good for flyers not runners under 4.30 min/km
Sketchers walk never failed me yet
I'm tired of this barefoot shoe brainwashing. Selling your shoe shouldn't re-wire what people know about feet. Wear your barefoot shoes moderately. Don't wear them on flat surfaces. The human foot wasn't designed for flat surfaces.
I ran a marathon in Xero shoes without the extra insole, so I was essentially barefoot. I didn’t have any problems. Most people don’t understand that you have to run differently when you don’t have padding on your shoes. You can no longer carelessly run on your heels. Heel-striking causes knee pain that you can’t feel right away when you have cushion which is why it develops overtime for most people. But when you have barefoot shoes you can feel it instantly and it forces you to fix your form.
Do you have any examples or advice on how to find this information since manufacturers are not exactly forthcoming with the specifications?
Why i’ve run with Altras for years. All the other popular brands even expensive ones like saucony Asics On etc are not good.
I’m bringing this guy with me for every argument I ever get in ever 😂😂😂
bro you should tell nike this information
There are plenty of people who shouldn’t be wearing barefoot shoes and this isn’t pointed out enough.
The truth is they feel wonderful for running which is why runners spend copious amounts of money on them
If you’re heel striking while running you need to stop
I learned nothing about my shoes for running
Barefoot shoes are a scam. As long as you buy a shoe that is fit for purpose, has plenty of room for your toes, and is not loose on your foot, you will be fine. Your feet take a lot of abuse especially when you are young so don’t mistreat them by buying bad footwear you will regret it as you age.
If you are surrounded by unpaved surfaces, then wear barefoot or walk barefoot. If you walk on pavement of any sort, please wear proper shoes, don't destroy your joints and spine
imagine playing basket ball with it 💀💀
Why would you do that? They're not basketball shoes. They're marathon racing shoes. You don't play basketball in slides and then complain about them do you?
What you said is true, if we're talking about everyday shoes. For running shoes, we need that shape to increase our performance!
Here's the problem with going barefoot in the modern world.
If you're running on track material, sand, soil or raised (sprung) wooden floors, great. Our feet are made for those kinds of floors, and our ancestors mostly ran barefoot or with thin sandals on them.
But modem floors where people go running at is moatly hard - asphalt, gravel and tar roads, concrete pavements, etc. Too much impact on joints and the rest of the body. Modern shoes made with lots of cushion are made to absorb those impacts.
Pick your shoes mindfully, based on what kind of surface you'll be running on...
Not everyone needs a massive reduction in pronation. Your subtalar joint needs to evert for your tibia and femur to internally rotate and activate the glute max
Don't buy barefoot shoes fir the gym. Just be barefoot some mfs are trying to sell trash in the name of barefoot shoes
That is so awful!!!
Buy this, go for a run, never walk again….