@@CaptAwesome400 then it should be wiser to have a radio with batteries as electricity can also be cut and smartphone batteries don’t last more than a day
@@DimitrisSartzetakis Most people carry their phones with them, but rarely carry a radio with bateries. If there is emergency and internet is gone, having a phone with a radio is very handy.
1. Traveling to different cities and experiencing the local stations is half the charm of FM. 2. Everyone already knows and expects FM radio to have lower quality and ads. In my opinion, Apple just didn't include it because it's free music and they aren't getting a cut on it at all unlike apps or Apple services. (But personally as an Apple Music user, I would never switch back to FM for any serious music listening.)
Some public radio stations can be rather awesome and eclectic, like KFAI Minneapolis and WUMB Boston. Even some rural middle-of-nowhere stations can have wider music choice than the typical iHeart corporate stuff.
Fm radio has many benefits too especially when it comes to things like extreme weather and you can't get cell service. In my opinion fm radios should come standard with phones.
Exactly, these days, while internet blackouts (happening in so many countries these days due to any so reason), bad weather, cell reception blackouts, optic fiber cuts, power blackouts in residential areas. FMs can be such a live saviour and essential piece of communication infrastructure.
@@eca3101 I used it a lot before unlimited data plans became a thing in my country I stopped caring about it around 2015 because I had plenty of gigs to waste on streaming music Unlike 2012 when 2 gigs of data would cost you an arm and a leg
@@DannyK1992 ah that’s fair enough. I remember back when i lived in Australia in the early 2010s data was super expensive, and i had a dingy looking phone that wasn’t even iOS, android, or windows phone (it was some 3rd option) and the *only* music that would play on it was this one classical radio station that I would listen to on the bus. God bless modern data plans
Same. I briefly switch from iPhone to the HTC One M7 because it had a larger screen and radio - features that I really wanted from Apple at the time. I eventually switched back to iPhone when the 6+ released and gave up on the idea of ever seeing a radio on the iPhone.
those are some weak reasons for excluding radio from iPhones. all of them apply to cars as well after all. may have a tuner and just let the consumer decide if they want to use it or not. like there were no weather app but it didn't mean people weren't allowed to use other apps to check the weather.
@@SF-li9kh So Apple is afraid that a local radio station might get some money that they won't get - which in turn helps support local business? Oh my, how far Apple have fallen into the pit.
@@SF-li9kh also, a reason most people miss is that by removing the fm tuner, that network chip becomes a little smaller, which creates more space for other hardware to either grow or be added. It’s the same reason they removed the headphone Jack.
yea, pack of features just in case someone might needed, that's a smart business model... Cars are a bit bigger than cellphones you know? can spare fit a bit more of useless or niche features, besides it's meant to be passive, you should not interact with your media on your car the same way you do it on your phone.
@@MaimiZhang I can agree with that, since I have seen AM signals travel hundreds of miles at night. I used to listen to Southern California AM radio while living in Oregon.
@@MvsG18 C'mon you know damn well that apple didn't add it bc it would take away from people buying their music subscription. The reasoning he provides is weak.
@@ayhamhuq2062 Literary one of the reasons he mentioned was "apple wasn't getting cut from radio adds". Please be more open minded and stop living by "everyone wants only money and nothing else" it's just childish and immature
@@gamgnamstile That makes no sense. First of all, I have a few of Apple’s latest devices including the iPad and iPhone. Second, I see little downsides in letting consumers see if they like FM or not, instead Apple went with what they thought consumers would think. Also, you seem to be extremely narrow minded. What else is Apple doing it for other than the money? Let’s go with the justification this channel used and say FM radio is low quality and goes against Apple’s tradition of presenting high quality products. Consumers are expecting high quality products and would not be happy with FM supposedly. Therefore, less people would buy it (or less retention) due to having an Apple integrated app with poor quality. I’m not sure when a corporation would implement a change with the goodness of their heart. Any and every change is done purposely with the means of getting more/keep consumers to buy their product or to reduce cost. Some have a greater opportunity cost (and are more blatantly obvious) than others, but in the end, the goal is the same: anything added is a feature or removed is lack there of. If you could provide an example as to when they added something to their product from the goodness of their heart I’ll concede my point.
@@ayhamhuq2062 he literally agreed with your point about apple doing it for your money. How you gonna write a paragraph and not read the thing you're replying to 💀💀
It is quite interesting and astonishing of the fact of where iPhones don’t have a radio as in prior to having it being in the older iPhones before the 7
A few years ago I was testing an FM system for a conference, we thought our transmitter was not working properly because there was so much static. I then tried using the FM receiver on my Android phone, and low and behold, all frequencies we where trying came out clean. If it weren't for my Android phone we never would have cought that the problem was the receivers they sent us.
I would never use this EXCEPT I feel like it could be a good safety inclusion somehow to be able to hear emergency/weather alerts. For example, I live in the midwest and turn on our local radio station via internet whenever the tornado sirens go off, but sometimes the internet also goes down in particularly big storms, so ability to access reliable safety information would be nice.
If a National emergency breaks out, the odds are that you’ll be notified by your phone fast enough . If you phone is too slow, a radio probably won’t save the day either.
The statement that FM is only equivalent to 128Kbit/sec MP3 must be an American thing because it sure isn't the case in the UK, where the FM transmitters have been fed a diet of 14-bit lossless digital audio for about 50 years. Also unlike the US, not all our stations are full of ad breaks because the BBC stations have no ads at all.
By the signal reception logic, Apple should have removed the carrier network, wifi and Bluetooth features, because above mentioned radios (carrier network, WiFi and Bluetooth) can be out of range many times in a day...😁
If we discovered a more convenient and faster form of communication that and there grew a general trend towards it becoming mainstream in the future, then yes I can see apple dropping WiFi and Bluetooth
So basically they avoided it to make more users opt for revenue generating apps or sources of music from which they would get a cut than offer them free access to something under the garb of maintaining a certain user experience and standard....Quite Appleish 😎
It's a shame because living in a typhoon battered country (Philippines), there was a time where we got weeks of no internet connection nor 5G/LTE signal after a Cat 5 typhoon hit us. TV (analog) and FM/AM radio were the only source of information we got during these kinds of emergencies. Good thing we still have a trusty tabletop radio that runs on hand crank and solar batteries to get our information straight from the disaster zone.
That's cute. I like that. ...but that's not what apple goes for. They don't care about all that. They only care about the "perfect luxury" electronic experience. And I'm afraid broadcast tv and radio falls short of that.
I can’t remember the last time I listened to the radio for music - I listen to it for local news and information all the time though. And sometimes NPR. An FM tuner on my iPhone would be fantastic and it always did bother me that Apple didn’t think it was a valuable feature.
"got rid of them completely starting with the iPhone 7" Well considering most phones uses the audio jack as an fm antenna, it make sense they're gone completely with the iPhone 7, which didn't have an audio jack at all. Same with most Android phones too.
So Apple removed headphone jack, uses lightning over USB, hinders repairs using encryption chips, etc, all because these features doesn't meet their standard.
You hit the nail on the head Alan. Apples marketing is truly genius. Jobs, Cooke et al have worked out the recipe to maximize profit: Give 10 "free" iPads to schools; then 200 parents are induced to buy iPads. Give "free" Macs to every movie and TV producer, provided the Apple logo features prominently. Force people to upgrade their iOS device by removing old apps from the AppStore, because the new apps are "better". This last thing is the best; make all your products look cool and charge 5 times more than competitors. "Common sense" then tells you that Apple MUST be better! I could go on about geting into bed with China, but seriously, Apple exemplifies the fact that people are easily conned.
One day, Apple will add FM radio to their phones and release it as a game changing feature. And people will go wild about it. Just like how they just added battery percentage in iOS 16
I am from Ukraine. When you don't have electricity and internet (even mobile internet) the only way to know what is going on is RADIO. For all people who are saying "I never use radio" I can say that me too... before the war. There are a lot of features in the phone that we do not use at all but radio is about "to be or not to be".
Good topic. FM Radio isn’t just for listening music. For many people in Africa, the unavailability of that feature is a deal breaker since most radio stations don’t emit on internet. But Africa isn’t a serious market…
@@DimitrisSartzetakis People will not listen to music they don’t like, regardless of price. If a radio station plays unpopular music, people who don’t like it tune out.
I love my local fm radio stations. Unfortunately listening them through online is not as much fun as that was through offline fm app. It's not just about music there are lots of daily news, podcasts. I don't even remember where my bulky radio player is at now. I've an Android too but that one don't have a radio option either. I wish mobile companies would bring them back. We can't rely on internet everywhere every moment.
Good news is that the iPod Nano has a tuner built in (if you can still find one). I still feel that it's the best music player that Apple has made. Small, good battery life, and a radio.
I rarely listening to 📻 at the moment, although available on my Phone. My Dad use it only when he want do some activities, using his Phone and connected to Bluetooth Speaker
While I agree that FM radio in 2022 isn't what it used to be (at least in the U.S.), I'm not sure I can agree that including FM radio functionality in the iPhone would really hurts the consumer experience that much.There are still situations in which AM/FM radio is still useful, especially in emergency situations, and I am hard pressed to see how the inclusion of a radio app/FM functionality hurts consumer, (even if they don't really use it). I would think that even young iPhone owners known enough about AM/FM radio to know that radio stations only broadcast locally and thus your favorite local station won't be available when traveling outside their coverage area unless they stream over the internet too. The lack of FM radio on iPhones isn't a deal breaker but i enjoyed the FM ratio feature on my old iPod nano 6th Gen so I not sure why Apple turned against the idea when it came to the iPhone.
It's because it doesn't give that perfect "just works" feel to it, when you're listening to radio and it's got so much static, or it breaks up when you're going under a bridge. It's not clean enough for Apple. And so they're like, whyyyyyy should anyone go for that, when you can just go for Apple music and podcasts instead. And also, if they were going for that, then they would also eventually have to go for digital portable TV, which you can also receive over radio waves. But of course, when you don't have an actual TV aerial, the signal will often break up and it will make the experience even worse than analogue radio, since it's not just static, but it actually breaks up the digital picture completely when signal isn't strong enough, making it oftentimes totally unwatchable. So again, it's not "perfect" and that's why apple absolutely hates it.
@@marioluigi9599 A "perfect experience" is just an unnecessary luxury that you don't need during disaster. Do you think all this apple service will work conveniently during an event of hurricane or earthquake when all the fibers are dislocated and towers have fallen to ground or a plug in radio which can help people to hear local broadcasts easily. Things become convenient in the appropriate scenario and apple services are worse in disaster
Nope. Spotify Free acts similarly to a radio. You can’t choose the songs you listen to, there are ads and you can’t even skip. Since they allow it on the App Store they clearly don’t care about this
I mean if they block Spotify off the App Store they would be sued for anticompetitive behaviour, they had to allow it despite it taking a hit on Apple Music. Atleast they could control the FM Radio and no one could sue them for not including FM radio.
@@DimitrisSartzetakis Why would they not introduce an App Store at all fearing one app?? The overall revenue of the AppStore would’ve been way more than their loss because of Spotify.
What a shame! One of my current phones have a FM receiver. It's an amazing throwback to the start of the music industry. I even have a built-in recorder for when I discover a new song, but I may not be in the position for immediate download of the song. So I keep the recording until I do download the mp3.
Anyway, for those who wants to listen to radio on their iPhones, I think a lot of radio stations have streaming audio / server. I listened to my local radio through the Music app and often I would turn off my car's radio because it sounds much much better coming from the Music app. Stream your radio.
Jeez man i love your content its straight to the point and its like im scrolling throught youtube and i get a really interesting video from you i watch it and i go on with my day *no* time waisted
I hope so too, despite the reasons that were mentioned for it not being in iPhones. After all, aren't there apps for various companies which bring us our favourite radio stations such as: iHeart? Also, there is radio in the music app and what about commercial breaks? Last time I checked, no companies advertise Apple products and the closest we get is telecom providers and some of whom also own radio stations, at least in Canada. So, Apple did sneak radio into the iPhone through a native app, but I agree with you that having a radio would cut down on data use while on the go.
personally i use FM radios all the time. i fell in love with them. what a shame, i wasnt planning to buy an iPhone and this hurts the reason on why i shouldn't buy an iPhone even more
Not mentioned but my take is that this also would’ve taken away from users purchasing songs from iTunes at the time or even Apple Music sub nowadays. But I agree main reasons are that radio is horrible with static, ads, and inconsistency and goes against apples Montra and UE
I mean there is a lot of ads on apple news and the app store, and useless apps like Apple TV. And trying to push you into subscriptions is also similar to ads
I'm sure ad revenue that a small local radio station would have bring would be no threat to a multi-trillion dollar, multi-national corporation like Apple. That ad revenue would benefit local business - I don't know anyone that uses FM radio for the music, it's mostly used for talk programs and news. I'd agree that a radio makes no sense on an internet-connected device, but I still listen to radio in places like the car. There's no way in hell I'm ever signing up for a music streaming service, I can't stand streaming. After 20 years, I still curate my iTunes library - which is oddly more useable on Windows than Apple's own music app.
I don't really buy this. Apple doesn't get a cut off of music streaming apps either, and those also have regional restrictions to them. If they didn't implement FM because it has ads, they should have also banned ad-supported music in third-party apps, but they didn't. I think an easier explanation is that there's no room for an FM antenna in the phone. FM implementations on other phones require you to have headphones plugged in so that the headphone lead can be reused as an antenna. That's actually really inconvenient - you can't use the phone's speaker alone or Bluetooth headsets. A few of the weird-tier iPod nanos DID have FM support, but that's probably because most people are using them with headphones anyway, which would make this limitation less inconvenient. Furthermore, this feature is really poorly-faced on phones that do have it. When you said "FM Radio is a standard feature on Android phones" I had to double-check, because I never remembered any of my Android phones even having it. Sure enough my LG G7 actually *does* have FM, but it's buried in the NextRadio app that I've literally *never used* because I thought it was just a scummy built-in streaming service.
Literally you can download apps that are radios, am and fm combined. There’s even a site that’s an online SW radio you can tune around on. Not to mention the scanner apps.
It’s more than just Apple Music and ads, radio stations tell us the weather and news, travel updates (maps). There’s 3 apple apps people would use less if they could access the radio as easy which means less data to collect on you and understand how to market to you.
This omission of features from iPhone that were present on certain iPod nano models seems to be in the same caliber as the Photo Booth. They could have added it, they just didn’t because they thought it wouldn’t be good enough.
This is why I salute the long defunct Zune HD. It did have an HD radio tuner that picked up FM and HD radio signals. It was nice. I wish I still had my Zune HD!
Now _THAT_ was a stupid business decision! With the proliferation of HD Radio in many AM/FM radio markets, it makes no sense whatsoever to discontinue a device that not only had FM radio, but that you could listen to the HD2/HD3/HD4 subchannels in your area. I have seen on some radio models that support HD Radio that if a radio station were to completely switch to digital, they could unlock four additional subchannels, providing HD5/HD6/HD7/HD8 to their listening area.
Apple is self centered, losing signal when one change location doesn’t justify taking it out, FM radio is necessary for emergency broadcast especially the rural areas. I always have a second phone with me just for the sake of FM radio when I could just move with one phone.
Living in a tornado/strong storm prone area, having FM radio on my phone would be a great feature when trying to ride out a storm in the basement, with no internet, power, cable, or cell service.
I've always wondered but thinking how internet connection literally replaces everything, adding a FM Radio just to listen music doesn't make sense. Of course while there is no internet connection, people can use that feature but FM Radio is just a single-purpose thing.
In order to save the economy, everyone must go out and buy a $1500 folding phone and sign up for 10 streaming services. Get a $6 coffee every morning in your new ev, throw away all your perfectly good hd tv’s and buy bigger 8k tv’s… that’s really what these companies are betting
I recall toying around with the FM tuner on my previous android phones and honestly I didn't find it worked very well. Even though I live near a decent sized city I had a hard time pulling in anything, but the most powerful stations. Not to mention nearly all land based radio stations stream through various apps anyway like IHeart Radio. I get it could be helpful if internet isn't available, but in that instance I will just go to the FM radio in my car.
@@mikeaninger7388 Do you know what a battery-powered radio is? plus phone batteries only last a day and you need the phone to call for help in an emergency
To me it seems like they make decision on how much it cost them. If it cost them $1 to add the circuitry, they would loose millions of dollars because they already have the price maxed out on the devices when they go to market.
If Apple is using satellite communications in their new iPhones, Radio would be a no brainer feature for Apple to add back soon as there’s not that many other things that Apple can improve on the iPhone
I guess it does kinda makes sense. No matter how picky the three trillion dollar company can be, they do make ‘understandable’ decisions. I don’t listen to radios anyway lol.
I think that they calculated the cost of having a fm radio. I wonder how much it cost to put the circuitry to allow it. Even if it cost $1 to do that it would be millions of dollars in cost to Apple. Also notice than when the iPhone 7 came out, also the AirPods came out that year. Not to mention removing the headphone jack was probably years in planning until they actually did it.
The time consuming advertising is in fact a valid issue with respect to FM radio. In the early days of FM, there was one commercial break every 15 minutes. The commercial duration was relatively short, maybe 5 to 7 minutes, then, back to music. As far as Apple not receiving a cut in the ad revenue, I am not aware that Apple receives a cut in ad revenue from such streaming services as MLB TV of Sirius XM (Sirius XM's non music channels, such as news and sports do carry advertising). Furthermore, if you buy a conventional radio from a manufacturer such as Sony or Samsung, the manufacturers not receive advertising revenue for commercials that air on their product. In a similar fashion, I do not know that the manufacturer of a laptop or desktop computer receives a cut in UA-cam advertising revenue when a UA-cam ad airs on a particular laptop.
I miss having an FM radio option in my phone. Although many phones today don't have a headphone jack anymore which is problematic because the headphones would serve as the FM antenna as well. Sure would be nice when camping away from service though, especially when I can't pack a radio.
Yeah none of these reasons are valid reasons for Apple to never support using radio tuners in the iPhone. I would completely replace my car’s radio with my phone if it could also play the radio without using cell data. I like having the limited availability of FM by region as it makes each location you are in somewhat charming in a strange way. Plus there are many emergency related features that having an FM tuner in an iPhone would permit. Local weather, national emergencies would all be improved by there being an FM tuner in the phone and available to use.
There are incredible internet radio apps which enable you to pull in stations from anywhere in the world…includes both am and fm stations…most stations these days broadcast externally as well as through the internet
FM Radio saved me multiple times when I stayed at places where I had either no WIFI or using Mobile data was too expensive to use like in foreign countries back in the days. And you had like almost no space on old phones for your own music....
Before i got my Iphone i did owned a LG Phone with Digital Radio Support that was one of my main reason to buy it. Sadly no company seams to care about Digital radio on phones today. Not all but a lot of them you can listen to across the hole country in nice Quality without the need of Internet
Or maybe Apples engineers are given too much credit for what it's worth? What do I mean? Some of Samsung's mid-tier devices internationally have come with FM tuners which work great, nevermind the Ok sound quality plus most have a recording feature as an extra. Not a Samsung fanboy by the way. Maybe Apples engineers couldn't be interested to make offline FM work -better- - great as they often like to say on Apple devices. It would have simply meant wiring up the iPhone optimally for FM through the phone frame or wired earpods which wouldn't be much to do, but they didn't. Same thing for True Wireless earbuds. I remember watching iFixit teardowns of Samsung buds like the Galaxy Buds Live a.k.a 'beans' which have easily replaceable batteries. Not so for Apple Airpods and Airpods Pro. If their batteries run down that's it, you have to buy another set, same for the charging case. Guess who benefits. Some UA-camr even made a vid about this here: ua-cam.com/video/RQqk45ps9kg/v-deo.html So maybe Apples hardware engineers are good but a half step behind other manufacturers, meaning the reason why FM isn't on the iPhone is that, they couldn't make it work 'great' while concurrently they didn't have a major corporate, commercial incentive to do so.
Imagine being so cheap that instead of spending 20 cents on radio circuitry you just blame it on the FM technology not meeting your standards. Multi million companies never cease to amaze me.
radio functionality needs the phone to have 3.5mm jack so u can connect wired earphones to act as the antenna, using the lighting connector and an adapter is too much of a hassle to convert the signal, but they should've included it on the iphones that had an headphone port
It would be really really nice if they did include those features and have a walkie-talkie feature so you can keep in touch with your family if you get separated at a theme park for a festival or while hiking etc…
It should be considered a safety feature...a radio station may still be able to broadcast when the internet goes down and streaming doesn't work.
When has this last happened?
I live in the panhandle. It’s not uncommon after a bad hurricane to take out the towers and have no internet or cellular data at all.
@@CaptAwesome400 then it should be wiser to have a radio with batteries as electricity can also be cut and smartphone batteries don’t last more than a day
@@DimitrisSartzetakis Most people carry their phones with them, but rarely carry a radio with bateries. If there is emergency and internet is gone, having a phone with a radio is very handy.
@@CaptAwesome400 Too niche of a situation to have radio. If you really need it, you can get a radio externally.
Interestingly enough, radio tuners were included in iPod as long as you connect EarPods in to act as antenna.
Oh yeah! I totally forgot about that thanks
Android uses headphones as antennas too
every phone does that
@@mihaiioc.3809 not iPhones
true thing
1. Traveling to different cities and experiencing the local stations is half the charm of FM.
2. Everyone already knows and expects FM radio to have lower quality and ads.
In my opinion, Apple just didn't include it because it's free music and they aren't getting a cut on it at all unlike apps or Apple services.
(But personally as an Apple Music user, I would never switch back to FM for any serious music listening.)
Besides, FM is not just about music, it’s about news, talk-shows, sports, endlessly zapping between new stations when traveling, etc
Some public radio stations can be rather awesome and eclectic, like KFAI Minneapolis and WUMB Boston. Even some rural middle-of-nowhere stations can have wider music choice than the typical iHeart corporate stuff.
Free music? there's browser and internet sites like SoundCloud or UA-cam, Apple need to ban them too.
Ad 1 Thats why FM has RDS function. It tune itself to new frequency while driving to another city.
@@rayanboulares693 again Apple Music has paid podcasts just like the ones u mentioned
Fm radio has many benefits too especially when it comes to things like extreme weather and you can't get cell service. In my opinion fm radios should come standard with phones.
Exactly, these days, while internet blackouts (happening in so many countries these days due to any so reason), bad weather, cell reception blackouts, optic fiber cuts, power blackouts in residential areas. FMs can be such a live saviour and essential piece of communication infrastructure.
I remember getting an android back in 2012 because FM radio was an important feature to me
Did you actually use it?
@@eca3101 I used it a lot before unlimited data plans became a thing in my country
I stopped caring about it around 2015 because I had plenty of gigs to waste on streaming music
Unlike 2012 when 2 gigs of data would cost you an arm and a leg
@@DannyK1992 ah that’s fair enough. I remember back when i lived in Australia in the early 2010s data was super expensive, and i had a dingy looking phone that wasn’t even iOS, android, or windows phone (it was some 3rd option) and the *only* music that would play on it was this one classical radio station that I would listen to on the bus. God bless modern data plans
@@eca3101 Yeah I would listen to the news and stuff we had a few cool music stations
Same. I briefly switch from iPhone to the HTC One M7 because it had a larger screen and radio - features that I really wanted from Apple at the time. I eventually switched back to iPhone when the 6+ released and gave up on the idea of ever seeing a radio on the iPhone.
Fm tuners are useful. Sadly even newer phones on Android lack it most of the time
Not all Android phones
Most newer android phones do have it. Some just don't.
I said most the newer phones lack it but some do have it. That's why I said "most of the time".
@@Ramon314 It's basically: Do you have a headphone jack? Yes? Then you do have a FM Tuner. If you dont - you dont
its up to the manufacturer if fm radio present or not, but by default all android has FM Radio
those are some weak reasons for excluding radio from iPhones.
all of them apply to cars as well after all.
may have a tuner and just let the consumer decide if they want to use it or not.
like there were no weather app but it didn't mean people weren't allowed to use other apps to check the weather.
Didn't you watch the full video? He said Apple is not happy they are not getting a cut of the ad money.
This is the main reason
@@SF-li9kh So Apple is afraid that a local radio station might get some money that they won't get - which in turn helps support local business? Oh my, how far Apple have fallen into the pit.
@@SF-li9kh also, a reason most people miss is that by removing the fm tuner, that network chip becomes a little smaller, which creates more space for other hardware to either grow or be added. It’s the same reason they removed the headphone Jack.
@@SF-li9kh Nah, not rly. Any iPhone user may use Spotify instead. I think the actual reason is to make their phones a bit cheaper to produce.
yea, pack of features just in case someone might needed, that's a smart business model...
Cars are a bit bigger than cellphones you know? can spare fit a bit more of useless or niche features, besides it's meant to be passive, you should not interact with your media on your car the same way you do it on your phone.
The FCC should require a FM Radio in phone devices. A FM Radio would be necessary in case of a national emergency.
I 💯 agree!
I don't really agree. FM radio is outdated and boring and streaming is just better in every way, plus Apple has a built-in emergency alert system.
@@whycantifindanavailablehandle Well look at Ukrainians my guy, They depend On FM radio Most of the time than Streaming.
should also have AM radio then, because FM stations here in my country are only music with bunch of crappy kpop music. While AM here are news.
@@MaimiZhang I can agree with that, since I have seen AM signals travel hundreds of miles at night. I used to listen to Southern California AM radio while living in Oregon.
This guy is gonna justify each and every unique and absurd decision by Apple 🍎
Explain ≠ Justify
@@MvsG18 C'mon you know damn well that apple didn't add it bc it would take away from people buying their music subscription. The reasoning he provides is weak.
@@ayhamhuq2062 Literary one of the reasons he mentioned was "apple wasn't getting cut from radio adds". Please be more open minded and stop living by "everyone wants only money and nothing else" it's just childish and immature
@@gamgnamstile That makes no sense. First of all, I have a few of Apple’s latest devices including the iPad and iPhone. Second, I see little downsides in letting consumers see if they like FM or not, instead Apple went with what they thought consumers would think.
Also, you seem to be extremely narrow minded. What else is Apple doing it for other than the money? Let’s go with the justification this channel used and say FM radio is low quality and goes against Apple’s tradition of presenting high quality products. Consumers are expecting high quality products and would not be happy with FM supposedly. Therefore, less people would buy it (or less retention) due to having an Apple integrated app with poor quality. I’m not sure when a corporation would implement a change with the goodness of their heart. Any and every change is done purposely with the means of getting more/keep consumers to buy their product or to reduce cost. Some have a greater opportunity cost (and are more blatantly obvious) than others, but in the end, the goal is the same: anything added is a feature or removed is lack there of.
If you could provide an example as to when they added something to their product from the goodness of their heart I’ll concede my point.
@@ayhamhuq2062 he literally agreed with your point about apple doing it for your money. How you gonna write a paragraph and not read the thing you're replying to 💀💀
It is quite interesting and astonishing of the fact of where iPhones don’t have a radio as in prior to having it being in the older iPhones before the 7
I see this guy in practically every apple/samsung related content out there
@@jheads5371 lol
A few years ago I was testing an FM system for a conference, we thought our transmitter was not working properly because there was so much static. I then tried using the FM receiver on my Android phone, and low and behold, all frequencies we where trying came out clean. If it weren't for my Android phone we never would have cought that the problem was the receivers they sent us.
I would never use this EXCEPT I feel like it could be a good safety inclusion somehow to be able to hear emergency/weather alerts. For example, I live in the midwest and turn on our local radio station via internet whenever the tornado sirens go off, but sometimes the internet also goes down in particularly big storms, so ability to access reliable safety information would be nice.
But I suppose I could just get an actual FM radio, which I probably should.
@@rklanman which means two devices
Your state could use the emergency notification system which works over 2G cellular
@@DimitrisSartzetakis but not all countries have built in emergency notification system
If a National emergency breaks out, the odds are that you’ll be notified by your phone fast enough . If you phone is too slow, a radio probably won’t save the day either.
The statement that FM is only equivalent to 128Kbit/sec MP3 must be an American thing because it sure isn't the case in the UK, where the FM transmitters have been fed a diet of 14-bit lossless digital audio for about 50 years. Also unlike the US, not all our stations are full of ad breaks because the BBC stations have no ads at all.
By the signal reception logic, Apple should have removed the carrier network, wifi and Bluetooth features, because above mentioned radios (carrier network, WiFi and Bluetooth) can be out of range many times in a day...😁
If we discovered a more convenient and faster form of communication that and there grew a general trend towards it becoming mainstream in the future, then yes I can see apple dropping WiFi and Bluetooth
Carrier network never goes out of range, there are *many* towers, whilst there can only be one for one FM radio station.
@@weirdboi3375 looks like you left your moms garage in life
@@weirdboi3375 Carrier networks "never go out of range"? Yes the fuck they do, what on earth are you talking about?
So basically they avoided it to make more users opt for revenue generating apps or sources of music from which they would get a cut than offer them free access to something under the garb of maintaining a certain user experience and standard....Quite Appleish 😎
It's a shame because living in a typhoon battered country (Philippines), there was a time where we got weeks of no internet connection nor 5G/LTE signal after a Cat 5 typhoon hit us. TV (analog) and FM/AM radio were the only source of information we got during these kinds of emergencies. Good thing we still have a trusty tabletop radio that runs on hand crank and solar batteries to get our information straight from the disaster zone.
That's cute. I like that.
...but that's not what apple goes for. They don't care about all that. They only care about the "perfect luxury" electronic experience. And I'm afraid broadcast tv and radio falls short of that.
I can’t remember the last time I listened to the radio for music - I listen to it for local news and information all the time though. And sometimes NPR. An FM tuner on my iPhone would be fantastic and it always did bother me that Apple didn’t think it was a valuable feature.
So instead of letting the user decide if the benefits outweigh the reduced quality of radio they just remove it entirely.
is normal is apple
Well most people don’t listen to radio anyway in 2022
@@DimitrisSartzetakis I do and want to keep doing it
thats what apple does and so far it has made them really successful
"got rid of them completely starting with the iPhone 7"
Well considering most phones uses the audio jack as an fm antenna, it make sense they're gone completely with the iPhone 7, which didn't have an audio jack at all. Same with most Android phones too.
Yup. This is pretty important. Theoretically, the receiver size should be as half big as the wavelength of the radio wave.
The headphone jack is just 1 of the 2 ports that can be used. The lightning port is as capable of using as an antenna as the headphone jack is.
Some smartphones using built in antenna
So Apple removed headphone jack, uses lightning over USB, hinders repairs using encryption chips, etc, all because these features doesn't meet their standard.
You hit the nail on the head Alan. Apples marketing is truly genius. Jobs, Cooke et al have worked out the recipe to maximize profit:
Give 10 "free" iPads to schools; then 200 parents are induced to buy iPads.
Give "free" Macs to every movie and TV producer, provided the Apple logo features prominently.
Force people to upgrade their iOS device by removing old apps from the AppStore, because the new apps are "better".
This last thing is the best; make all your products look cool and charge 5 times more than competitors. "Common sense" then tells you that Apple MUST be better!
I could go on about geting into bed with China, but seriously, Apple exemplifies the fact that people are easily conned.
One day, Apple will add FM radio to their phones and release it as a game changing feature. And people will go wild about it. Just like how they just added battery percentage in iOS 16
I am from Ukraine. When you don't have electricity and internet (even mobile internet) the only way to know what is going on is RADIO. For all people who are saying "I never use radio" I can say that me too... before the war. There are a lot of features in the phone that we do not use at all but radio is about "to be or not to be".
A calculator didn’t make sense to apple either, so they left it out in the ipad
lol! That disturbs me since I bought my one and only iPad.
FM is valuable in emergency situations and at places where the internet is not working
Good topic.
FM Radio isn’t just for listening music. For many people in Africa, the unavailability of that feature is a deal breaker since most radio stations don’t emit on internet. But Africa isn’t a serious market…
Apple can't care less about poor Africans
They knew listening to FM Radio would eat into iTunes music sales, Podcast playtime, and later Apple Music streaming subscriptions.
Doubt it. Radio station don’t play the songs you like personally and only those
Not to mention you also can’t download and replay songs from a radio like you can with Apple Music or iTunes.
@@DimitrisSartzetakis If radio stations didn’t play music people liked, why would they listen to radio stations?
@@mikeward1701 they didn’t have another option for free music
@@DimitrisSartzetakis People will not listen to music they don’t like, regardless of price. If a radio station plays unpopular music, people who don’t like it tune out.
I love my local fm radio stations. Unfortunately listening them through online is not as much fun as that was through offline fm app. It's not just about music there are lots of daily news, podcasts. I don't even remember where my bulky radio player is at now. I've an Android too but that one don't have a radio option either. I wish mobile companies would bring them back. We can't rely on internet everywhere every moment.
I agree Ann
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What?? All the androids I have had and the one I'm plaining to buy have FM Radio. Wich brand?
Not only music is transmitted in radio, news and other shows were transmitted too.
"Apple left the phone part out of the iPhone. It didn't meet their standard of user experience, since cell reception might be bad sometimes"
Good news is that the iPod Nano has a tuner built in (if you can still find one). I still feel that it's the best music player that Apple has made. Small, good battery life, and a radio.
I rarely listening to 📻 at the moment, although available on my Phone. My Dad use it only when he want do some activities, using his Phone and connected to Bluetooth Speaker
While I agree that FM radio in 2022 isn't what it used to be (at least in the U.S.), I'm not sure I can agree that including FM radio functionality in the iPhone would really hurts the consumer experience that much.There are still situations in which AM/FM radio is still useful, especially in emergency situations, and I am hard pressed to see how the inclusion of a radio app/FM functionality hurts consumer, (even if they don't really use it). I would think that even young iPhone owners known enough about AM/FM radio to know that radio stations only broadcast locally and thus your favorite local station won't be available when traveling outside their coverage area unless they stream over the internet too. The lack of FM radio on iPhones isn't a deal breaker but i enjoyed the FM ratio feature on my old iPod nano 6th Gen so I not sure why Apple turned against the idea when it came to the iPhone.
It's because it doesn't give that perfect "just works" feel to it, when you're listening to radio and it's got so much static, or it breaks up when you're going under a bridge. It's not clean enough for Apple. And so they're like, whyyyyyy should anyone go for that, when you can just go for Apple music and podcasts instead.
And also, if they were going for that, then they would also eventually have to go for digital portable TV, which you can also receive over radio waves. But of course, when you don't have an actual TV aerial, the signal will often break up and it will make the experience even worse than analogue radio, since it's not just static, but it actually breaks up the digital picture completely when signal isn't strong enough, making it oftentimes totally unwatchable.
So again, it's not "perfect" and that's why apple absolutely hates it.
@@marioluigi9599 A "perfect experience" is just an unnecessary luxury that you don't need during disaster. Do you think all this apple service will work conveniently during an event of hurricane or earthquake when all the fibers are dislocated and towers have fallen to ground or a plug in radio which can help people to hear local broadcasts easily. Things become convenient in the appropriate scenario and apple services are worse in disaster
Apple didn't like Commercial breaks on Radio because "they weren't getting a cut"? Are you serious? How greedy can a company be?!
They just wanted people to buy songs off the iTunes Store or Apple Music nowadays...
Nope. Spotify Free acts similarly to a radio. You can’t choose the songs you listen to, there are ads and you can’t even skip. Since they allow it on the App Store they clearly don’t care about this
I mean if they block Spotify off the App Store they would be sued for anticompetitive behaviour, they had to allow it despite it taking a hit on Apple Music. Atleast they could control the FM Radio and no one could sue them for not including FM radio.
@@adithyasrikanth6371 it’s not anticompetitive. They could have just not introduced an App Store on iPhone OS 2
@@DimitrisSartzetakis Why would they not introduce an App Store at all fearing one app?? The overall revenue of the AppStore would’ve been way more than their loss because of Spotify.
I like many apple features, except this. I hate that apple don’t let users use FM.
I feel the user experience of Apple Music apps doesn't meet Apple's standards.
yeah but radio tuners use much less power than mobile data and could be useful in emergency situations?
What a shame! One of my current phones have a FM receiver. It's an amazing throwback to the start of the music industry. I even have a built-in recorder for when I discover a new song, but I may not be in the position for immediate download of the song. So I keep the recording until I do download the mp3.
Anyway, for those who wants to listen to radio on their iPhones, I think a lot of radio stations have streaming audio / server. I listened to my local radio through the Music app and often I would turn off my car's radio because it sounds much much better coming from the Music app. Stream your radio.
You can only stream when you have a working internet, you did see how useless your iPhone is when you’re out of coverage.
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They added radio streaming very late to apple music in Germany. We still had a seperate radio next to our homepod until 2019.
I hope at some point they put in radio it would be convenient
Never
I hope so too, despite the reasons that were mentioned for it not being in iPhones. After all, aren't there apps for various companies which bring us our favourite radio stations such as: iHeart? Also, there is radio in the music app and what about commercial breaks? Last time I checked, no companies advertise Apple products and the closest we get is telecom providers and some of whom also own radio stations, at least in Canada. So, Apple did sneak radio into the iPhone through a native app, but I agree with you that having a radio would cut down on data use while on the go.
A lot of Android handsets don’t include a tuner either. For whatever reason, it seems to largely be feature of budget phones
Snapdragon has them built into their chips, unfortunately Samsung (the main android seller) mainly uses their own chips which don't.
personally i use FM radios all the time. i fell in love with them. what a shame, i wasnt planning to buy an iPhone and this hurts the reason on why i shouldn't buy an iPhone even more
I remember buying the FM transmitter for my iPod classic. Was kind of cool to have radio on the go.
Not mentioned but my take is that this also would’ve taken away from users purchasing songs from iTunes at the time or even Apple Music sub nowadays. But I agree main reasons are that radio is horrible with static, ads, and inconsistency and goes against apples Montra and UE
Bingo. All about money. At this point most stations can also stream on-line or have their own apps.
*mantra
I mean there is a lot of ads on apple news and the app store, and useless apps like Apple TV. And trying to push you into subscriptions is also similar to ads
I'm sure ad revenue that a small local radio station would have bring would be no threat to a multi-trillion dollar, multi-national corporation like Apple. That ad revenue would benefit local business - I don't know anyone that uses FM radio for the music, it's mostly used for talk programs and news.
I'd agree that a radio makes no sense on an internet-connected device, but I still listen to radio in places like the car.
There's no way in hell I'm ever signing up for a music streaming service, I can't stand streaming. After 20 years, I still curate my iTunes library - which is oddly more useable on Windows than Apple's own music app.
you see sometimes i don't feel like listening to my Spotify playlist and i just listen to the fm radio, there's just something calming about it
I don't really buy this. Apple doesn't get a cut off of music streaming apps either, and those also have regional restrictions to them. If they didn't implement FM because it has ads, they should have also banned ad-supported music in third-party apps, but they didn't.
I think an easier explanation is that there's no room for an FM antenna in the phone. FM implementations on other phones require you to have headphones plugged in so that the headphone lead can be reused as an antenna. That's actually really inconvenient - you can't use the phone's speaker alone or Bluetooth headsets. A few of the weird-tier iPod nanos DID have FM support, but that's probably because most people are using them with headphones anyway, which would make this limitation less inconvenient.
Furthermore, this feature is really poorly-faced on phones that do have it. When you said "FM Radio is a standard feature on Android phones" I had to double-check, because I never remembered any of my Android phones even having it. Sure enough my LG G7 actually *does* have FM, but it's buried in the NextRadio app that I've literally *never used* because I thought it was just a scummy built-in streaming service.
apple gets a cut of all App Store purchases
Literally you can download apps that are radios, am and fm combined. There’s even a site that’s an online SW radio you can tune around on. Not to mention the scanner apps.
Imagine how far apple would have progressed in regards to technology if apple didn't restrain themselves by the "why should we add it" mentality.
It’s more than just Apple Music and ads, radio stations tell us the weather and news, travel updates (maps). There’s 3 apple apps people would use less if they could access the radio as easy which means less data to collect on you and understand how to market to you.
This omission of features from iPhone that were present on certain iPod nano models seems to be in the same caliber as the Photo Booth. They could have added it, they just didn’t because they thought it wouldn’t be good enough.
There are 2 reasons I think.
1. Radio stations run ads that Apple don't get a cut from
2. Apple don't want people distracted from Apple music
That’s what he said in the video
The real reason they didn't include FM is because they didn't want any competition for itunes and Apple music.
Thank you for the explanation. I think you hit the nail when you mentioned how the advertisements would not profit Apple itself.
Stop saying what time of place you came in
Based comment here.
Wut ?
@@SF-li9kh Example: "first" comments. Stop doing them.
This is why I salute the long defunct Zune HD. It did have an HD radio tuner that picked up FM and HD radio signals. It was nice. I wish I still had my Zune HD!
Now _THAT_ was a stupid business decision! With the proliferation of HD Radio in many AM/FM radio markets, it makes no sense whatsoever to discontinue a device that not only had FM radio, but that you could listen to the HD2/HD3/HD4 subchannels in your area. I have seen on some radio models that support HD Radio that if a radio station were to completely switch to digital, they could unlock four additional subchannels, providing HD5/HD6/HD7/HD8 to their listening area.
Apple is self centered, losing signal when one change location doesn’t justify taking it out, FM radio is necessary for emergency broadcast especially the rural areas. I always have a second phone with me just for the sake of FM radio when I could just move with one phone.
They didn’t add the radio because they’re trying to sell Apple Music, That’s it.
I don't use apple products but I still interested to learn about apple me failing to use an apple phone about 3 to 5 or 4 times
_they should bring back FM Tuner since I’ve missed listening to some Filipino local radios_
You can buy a radio
with the presence of apps like Spotify, Apple Music and UA-cam Music, radio fm apps have become obsolete
until you're somewhere with no internet
@@RealUlrichLeland that’s true i guess but i have a lot of data that I barely ever use lol
@@RealUlrichLeland or you can download the songs lol. The option exists
Living in a tornado/strong storm prone area, having FM radio on my phone would be a great feature when trying to ride out a storm in the basement, with no internet, power, cable, or cell service.
I've always wondered but thinking how internet connection literally replaces everything, adding a FM Radio just to listen music doesn't make sense. Of course while there is no internet connection, people can use that feature but FM Radio is just a single-purpose thing.
Android Companies: We added an FM Tuner so you can listen to the radio on your phone!
Apple: ... but why though?
In order to save the economy, everyone must go out and buy a $1500 folding phone and sign up for 10 streaming services. Get a $6 coffee every morning in your new ev, throw away all your perfectly good hd tv’s and buy bigger 8k tv’s… that’s really what these companies are betting
I recall toying around with the FM tuner on my previous android phones and honestly I didn't find it worked very well. Even though I live near a decent sized city I had a hard time pulling in anything, but the most powerful stations. Not to mention nearly all land based radio stations stream through various apps anyway like IHeart Radio. I get it could be helpful if internet isn't available, but in that instance I will just go to the FM radio in my car.
Once again, Apple decided to make decisions for me. Piss poor performance Apple.
Streaming is better in every way. Apple was right.
@@whycantifindanavailablehandle What happens when shit hits the fan and cell towers are knocked out and all we have our a.m. and FM radio to go on
@@mikeaninger7388 Do you know what a battery-powered radio is? plus phone batteries only last a day and you need the phone to call for help in an emergency
To me it seems like they make decision on how much it cost them. If it cost them $1 to add the circuitry, they would loose millions of dollars because they already have the price maxed out on the devices when they go to market.
With the radio you know other persons are listening the same content as you, that is part of the experience
Because Apple is lazy af
If Apple is using satellite communications in their new iPhones, Radio would be a no brainer feature for Apple to add back soon as there’s not that many other things that Apple can improve on the iPhone
I guess it does kinda makes sense. No matter how picky the three trillion dollar company can be, they do make ‘understandable’ decisions. I don’t listen to radios anyway lol.
I think that they calculated the cost of having a fm radio. I wonder how much it cost to put the circuitry to allow it. Even if it cost $1 to do that it would be millions of dollars in cost to Apple. Also notice than when the iPhone 7 came out, also the AirPods came out that year. Not to mention removing the headphone jack was probably years in planning until they actually did it.
They did have the FM Radio app. Its on the iPod Nano 7th Gen
Another example of Apple being way too controlling.
Convenient way to exclude commonly used features.
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The time consuming advertising is in fact a valid issue with respect to FM radio. In the early days of FM, there was one commercial break every 15 minutes. The commercial duration was relatively short, maybe 5 to 7 minutes, then, back to music. As far as Apple not receiving a cut in the ad revenue, I am not aware that Apple receives a cut in ad revenue from such streaming services as MLB TV of Sirius XM (Sirius XM's non music channels, such as news and sports do carry advertising). Furthermore, if you buy a conventional radio from a manufacturer such as Sony or Samsung, the manufacturers not receive advertising revenue for commercials that air on their product. In a similar fashion, I do not know that the manufacturer of a laptop or desktop computer receives a cut in UA-cam advertising revenue when a UA-cam ad airs on a particular laptop.
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1:34 there's NO bitrate at all on analog FM Radio, which is most Android phones are using, unless they put a DAB or HD Radio tuner on their iPhones..
I miss having an FM radio option in my phone. Although many phones today don't have a headphone jack anymore which is problematic because the headphones would serve as the FM antenna as well. Sure would be nice when camping away from service though, especially when I can't pack a radio.
Yeah none of these reasons are valid reasons for Apple to never support using radio tuners in the iPhone. I would completely replace my car’s radio with my phone if it could also play the radio without using cell data. I like having the limited availability of FM by region as it makes each location you are in somewhat charming in a strange way. Plus there are many emergency related features that having an FM tuner in an iPhone would permit. Local weather, national emergencies would all be improved by there being an FM tuner in the phone and available to use.
Our Rec Centres have TVs to watch, in the cardio areas. The sound is broadcast over FM frequencies. Handy to have an FM receiver.
Your voice is so relaxing! Keep up with the good content!
There are incredible internet radio apps which enable you to pull in stations from anywhere in the world…includes both am and fm stations…most stations these days broadcast externally as well as through the internet
Does using SMS instead of RCS makes Apple's Standard
FM Radio saved me multiple times when I stayed at places where I had either no WIFI or using Mobile data was too expensive to use like in foreign countries back in the days. And you had like almost no space on old phones for your own music....
the FM radio app on windows phone was top tier 🔥🔥🔥
Before i got my Iphone i did owned a LG Phone with Digital Radio Support that was one of my main reason to buy it. Sadly no company seams to care about Digital radio on phones today. Not all but a lot of them you can listen to across the hole country in nice Quality without the need of Internet
Apple doesn't always have a reasonable reason for leaving out features. This guy make it look like there is. I still like the videos by the way
Apple: "The radio works like a radio, consumers may not like that"
lol exactly
Well I mean you can stream the radio in the Apple Music app
Thank you--went crazy trying to find an FM app on the Play store /or whatever Apple calls it !
Adding FM radio would decrease iTunes sales and Apple Music subscriptions.
Or maybe Apples engineers are given too much credit for what it's worth?
What do I mean?
Some of Samsung's mid-tier devices internationally have come with FM tuners which work great, nevermind the Ok sound quality plus most have a recording feature as an extra.
Not a Samsung fanboy by the way.
Maybe Apples engineers couldn't be interested to make offline FM work -better- - great as they often like to say on Apple devices.
It would have simply meant wiring up the iPhone optimally for FM through the phone frame or wired earpods which wouldn't be much to do, but they didn't.
Same thing for True Wireless earbuds.
I remember watching iFixit teardowns of Samsung buds like the Galaxy Buds Live a.k.a 'beans' which have easily replaceable batteries.
Not so for Apple Airpods and Airpods Pro. If their batteries run down that's it, you have to buy another set, same for the charging case.
Guess who benefits.
Some UA-camr even made a vid about this here: ua-cam.com/video/RQqk45ps9kg/v-deo.html
So maybe Apples hardware engineers are good but a half step behind other manufacturers, meaning the reason why FM isn't on the iPhone is that, they couldn't make it work 'great' while concurrently they didn't have a major corporate, commercial incentive to do so.
Imagine being so cheap that instead of spending 20 cents on radio circuitry you just blame it on the FM technology not meeting your standards. Multi million companies never cease to amaze me.
It is a Radio section on Apple Music with local broadcasters live
radio functionality needs the phone to have 3.5mm jack so u can connect wired earphones to act as the antenna, using the lighting connector and an adapter is too much of a hassle to convert the signal, but they should've included it on the iphones that had an headphone port
🍏 doesn't know that FM radio is not only used for music, but also for other podcasts. They removed it just because they can't monetize from that app.
It would be really really nice if they did include those features and have a walkie-talkie feature so you can keep in touch with your family if you get separated at a theme park for a festival or while hiking etc…