What is style? How to find my own style?
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- Опубліковано 14 гру 2020
- Yves Saint Laurent called it eternal.
Coco Chanel said that when everything else fades, it remains.
Audrey Hepburn said everyone has his own.
A common perception is that you must put a lot of thought and effort into displaying style in the way you dress and present yourself to others. It's certainly one of the most overused words other than chic and fashion, within the realm of how we dress.
In this episode, Sonya and Hugo discuss two techniques to try to develop your own style, beginning with a method called heuristics, and ending with a revelation specific to finding your style by E.B. White (discussed in his 1959 enlarged and revised work by William Strunk, Jr. in his dissertation, “The Elements of Style” from 1918).
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I like that idea. Fashion is what others tell you to wear; and style is how you decide you want to look.
In a nut shell that's what it is. Cheers, Hugo
LOVED how you defined the difference! Great video Hugo and Sonya - wishing you all the best!
Many thanks Antonio! We should organise a talk together one of these days. Cheers, Hugo & Sonya
Let us put this to bed Hugo/ Sonja,,,,,, Fashion is transient. Style is permanent..
@Charmingly Cynical It's a pretty bad take on style. Look at his channel, the thumbnails alone speak for themselves.
@@growingmelancholy8374 I think RMRS is excellent. The thumbnails just reflect his inclusive and gentle sense of humour. M.
@@rovercoupe7104 Not to mention that the American aesthetic and social norms when it comes to what is appropriate to wear for work and at leisure is very much more casual than in other parts of the world. RMRS also deals with a much different demographic and has also recently done very good work with helping young men discover their self-confidence.
It is hard to define style. But it's easy to see that Hugo and Sonya understand it and have it.
Thanks Kruno, you're very kind with us. Cheers, Hugo & Sonya
Sonya and Hugo display what money can never buy...class.
As an amateur writer, I used to be very nervous about writing, and constantly worried about every single word, making it impossible to get anything written. Now I just write everything that comes to mind without thinking about how it will end up, and refine it later as needed. It makes it much easier and I get to keep my creativity.
Way to go Tokiomi! Cheers, Hugo
This is a beautiful analogy for style.
Lovely! Sonya does indeed write beautifully.
Elements of Style is required reading for any writer, I think. EB White was one of Strunk’s student at Cornell who amended the book with ways to apply the “rules,” that Strunk laid out, to write better and develop a unique style. I really appreciated this conversation Hugo and Sonja. It’s nice to reflect on all the facets that make each’s style-what goes into it for us and what it means to others.
Thanks for that. I didn't realize there was this connection between White & Strunk Jr., but the book was a real game changer in teaching me about writing and the power of restraint, which I may not have discovered on my own. Cheers! Sonya
The content is brilliant. But what I most love is the interaction between the two of you - a master class in passionate, respectful dialog. Thank you.
Sonya: fabulous, wonderful and insightful. Thank you both,
Tony
Such as wonderful article, thank you for this beautiful talk.
A 40-minute video simply on the term style, this is what I like to see. Very interesting!
What a wonderful discussion today! It seems to me that fear of failure is the ultimate enemy of creativity. Whether music, painting, sculpture, sport or yes even developing your own personal style, we learn by actually doing. The painter must paint, the musician must play music, the writer must write (as Sonya notes.)
It’s through doing, through creating that we learn and develop in all meaningful activities and style is no different.
But we can’t allow fear of making a “mistake” or “not being good enough” to stop us from doing and creating and growing.
As Hugo says - “try it!”
Personal style is a journey. Enjoy and embrace the journey!
Well, what a wonderful summary of our talk Dan. Many thanks for your nice contribution to the discussion, as usual! Cheers, Hugo & Sonya
I love Sonya's looks to Hugo when he's on his passion tangents!
I feel a little flushed when I see making these expressions, haha. I have no poker face, haha. ~Sonya
What a great episode. Thank you and merry Christmas to you both 😁
Really enjoyed this video! As I see it, a chef becomes a better chef by cooking. A writer becomes a better writer by writing. An runner becomes a better runner by running... And finding my style is just a matter of trying different things until I get better at it.
Side note: I am a salesman, and I know other salesmen who are driven by commission. What you're alluding to, in my understanding, is that you want a salesman who is HONEST and provides VALUE. You don't want a salesman who will tell you whatever you want to hear, just to generate a commission. But if you trust the salesman, and you know what he is saying is true, then who cares about the commission? Yes, salesmen make commissions. That's how we earn our living. But that in itself is not a problem.
The perspective ’who knows what anxiety feels like’ is so important regarding style and moving towards satorial lifestyle and investing to the garderobe. This ofcourse among other, magnificent things brought up in your output.
Thank you again for astonishingly inspirational video Mrs. Glyn and Mr. Jacomet - finding your content feels blessing. Best regards from small ”not very known for its style or satorial aspects” -country Finland, EU.
Love these videos! My style is very undefined/unknown, but I at least enjoy this content. Your voices are very calming to me.
Great show Hugo and Sonya. The heuristic approach is a great idea (also known as “trial and error”). I am considering getting your book “The Italian gentleman” since I am impressed with your sense of style and your great commentary…
When it comes to combine a detailed talking about this wonderful topic with a relaxed atmosphere, you two really are the best. À la prochaine!
Merci Marco! À la prochaine (en 2021). Hugo & Sonya
Congratulations on your new website redesign. It's very attractive and intuitive to use.
I really enjoy your videos. It's inspiring on so many levels. As sartorialists, you helped me dream of whatever I could be. I became bold enough to just start wearing suits. Though I might not afford to wear Cifonelli and the likes, over the episodes I've been super inspired to make the most out of what I have. Seeing you both in love and doing what you love is quite heartwarming and inspiring. Your humility is quite something as well. As a young Kenyan in their early 20's, I'd love to let you know that I'm so grateful for you. P.S: The sound is great! All the best in your endeavours. God bless you!
Happy to know the sound is working out, thanks---and even happier to know you've found inspiration and are acting on it. Bravo ! ~Sonya & Hugo
I second all that you wrote.
Love this. I think ones style is a mirror of ones self respect.
"Dress to Impress," I think works as a phrase since it rhymes and is easy to remember. I agree though, that words mean things--it is important to use proper words and phrases to express yourself. The intent to determine your own style and make it your own is sort of like dressing to impress yourself and not others. My own style is classic (I'm an old guy in my 60s after all), but I wear a suit to work each day.
Your advice regarding the basics of dressing well, and also what is needed to carry and travel with is well presented.
Thank you for another great video! Seeing a new upload made my week. Merry Christmas to you both!
Thank you Brian. Merry Christmas to you. Hugo & Sonya
Oh my Hugo and Sonya this was epic again. Thank you. I wasn’t even aware of anything you guys discussed here. I loved it i’m still looking for my own style. Thank you so much for another great video love you guys. Oh by the way I just purchased Italian gentleman hopefully I’m gonna have the time to read it in next year:)) Merry Christmas to you guys and happy new year. Stay safe everybody
What a great discussion. I think I’ll watch it a second time as it was both so in depth and enjoyable.
There are several of these videos that I, too, watch more than once. They are wonderful.
Great article on website written by Sonya.
Thanks for something lovely to watch this evening whilst cooking. The shoe book is magnificent. Stay well, everyone.
Merci Martin et Bon Appétit! Hugo
I love these videos. I love the tie.
Many thanks Fred, the tie is from our friend Dan from The Urban Ties. Cheers, Hugo
Wow, what an interesting episode!! Moreover, What a great writer Sonya is !!. You just said it simply my dear Hugo, She is the one and only one!! .Love to both of you from Cairo.
Thanks Nader! Yes she's a great writer. Hugo
Superb insights!
Dear friends Sonya and Hugo another great video.my favorite quote about style is that style is like cell membrane:it is us seperates from the other sells of the society.
Haha thank you Giannis. Let's hope these cells continue to grow in the population! Cheers, Hugo
Very well said!
how delightful to learn, in addition to your wonderful taste in clothing, you also love Tom Waits!
Literature: The style of writing that one favors greatly, to the point of wanting to masticate the words in my case, as the "point de repére" for personal style is a very attractive idea. Merci. It reminds me of the relationship between fragrance and feelings of love as being similar.
I have missed this. I can't help but be excited when you make a new upload.
Its amazing to see that each and every person has their own style and add something to this community of people, who love mens and womens style.
And yes I have over used the word in this comment, but I don't care.
Haha, that's a stylish comment about style Alexander! Hugo
Love the heuristic approach. It's so important to allow yourself to make mistakes.
Yes, it's very important for sure. Cheers, Hugo & Sonya
Love you two and your passion for your work xxden
Many thanks Dennis for your kind encouragements. Cheers, Hugo & Sonya
Been waiting for another video💕
Thank you for your loyalty! Hugo
The Tom Waits impersonation was impeccable!
Haha thanks Bruno, you're very kind with me. Hugo
According to Diana Vreeland, style takes inspiration, imagination and opportunity. If you have no opportunity to exercise style, it's rather difficult to demonstrate style while sitting at home, I would say.
Very rare woman Daina was,,,, a pioneer
Ironically I could not beat Antonio to be the first comment, as I was getting dressed for the day.
That's a wonderful excuse Michael! Hugo
love the conversation learn a lot from both of you! I personally have 45 suits and love showing my style and very comfortable about it! Merry Christmas from New York!
Wow, you have by far more suits than I do! Merry Christmas Dennis. Hugo
@@SARTORIALTALKS hope to meet you one day if you ever come to new York city
“Don’t be afraid to show the sand and the gravel” well said Sonya. I hear these wise words in good time.
This is good news, I wish you the best. ~Sonya
You are both amazing I live in the Wild West of Australia of North Italian heritage love both your style . Regards to you both Silvio Guidetti
I really enjoy your channel, and would love to see you expand your coverage, opinions, recommendations in the wine sphere. I've enjoyed the two that I've seen so far.
Dear David, wine is not our central subject but we'll continue to produce a couple of shows per year on this subject which is extremely close to my heart. Cheers, Hugo
@@SARTORIALTALKSThank you for your response, I just thought that you could have a sub channel (Kind of like your new entry into the perfume area) It seems like an elegant gentleman should have at least a working knowledge of wine,
Absolutely love the content, as a young man in my early 20's this is a critical topic for me ❤️
Many thanks Jack (Daniel really?). You should try single malts from Scotland. Cheers my friend, Hugo
Hahaha...that's truly my name Mr Jacomet. I am not a fan of the Jack Daniel whiskey though!
@@jackshingange6043 Sorry my friend. It's actually a beautiful name! Cheers and take care, Hugo
Happy to see fellow young people follow this page!😎
@@KasmuelMcOure Some here brother, it gives me great joy to see fellow young people express sartorial passion
An excellent discussion(or perhaps a thesis).
Thanks Henry. Not enough complicated words to be a (French) thesis! Cheers, Hugo
Enjoyable. Thank you. Prosper. A.J.Hemstrought
C’est très intéressant..... this shows that you are well informed and professionally and passionately analyse the “Style” concept with style.... All the best et à la prochaine.... Abdou from Oslo.
Merci Abdou! Joyeux Noël. Hugo & Sonya
Merry Christmas Hugo & Sonya
Merry Christmas Scott! Hugo & Sonya
Very interesting take on the difference between fashion and style. I’ve always defined it as fashion is mass produced and changes every season, classic style has more longevity but still changes, just less often and is usually of better quality (not always). However, on this definition and separation, even the classic menswear space follows fashions. For example the armoury, drakes or mr Porter. Everybody in the #menswear realm wants their items, or the latest release on the rake, usually because they are told. Similarly, even a bespoke suit has the input and leadership of the tailor, cutter etc. A perfect example of this is “house styles” wherein you adhere to an aesthetic that has been predetermined, one could argue this is also following trends, I.e fashion. It could be akin to choosing, say a Gucci wallet instead of a Louis Vuitton one, for example. Even classic mens style changes, just usually every decade rather than every month. Examples would include, lapel width, how a suit should fit, trouser length, etc, these have constantly changed over the last century and even the last decades in classic mens style. I would be interested to hear your take on this Hugo and Sonya? as i find this a fascinating topic, previously being what I would label a “brand whore” I moved to the classic menswear space in pursuit of quality, man made products that last and fulfil a certain aesthetic.
This is one of your best episodes; I think there may even be an outgrowth here- of writers and the style that reflects them. Sonya really captures something here, and I am reminded of Hugo's comment that what Modernism really is about is finding the eternal. This might have been from a Flaubert quote. Maybe more about people of original style and how you interpret it...this feels like such a rich subject. This is a great episode. And I agree with Hugo; Sonya is a special writer.
Many thanks Justin for your encouraging words (and I agree, Sonya is a fantastic writer). The quote about Modernism was from Charles Baudelaire. All my best, Hugo
We need to protect this man at any cost .
That's very kind of you Juju, but I don't feel I'm in danger. But you can support us for sure! (for example with our Patreon page patreon.com/sartorialtalks). Yours, Hugo
"Style is like a second cousin to class." -Prince
I've already said this and I'm gonna say it again, You'd have made an amazing ASMR artist Sonya. Oh! That voice. I could listen to a podcast style video from you for eternity
Dear Tirtha, Sonya and I didn't know until recently, what ASMR meant! Cheers, Hugo
@@SARTORIALTALKS Well, you both are doing a phenomenal job running this channel anyway so no complaints. Thanks for everything
Since style is personal and unique so it definition is so ,i.e every and each one will define style according to his style
Well that's a lot of "style" in one sentence, but I understand what you mean Abdel. Many thanks, Hugo
Ahhh appreciating Flaubert as the height of French literature shows again how much good taste you have!!! Vous aimez Proust aussi?
the best on youtube
Again a great one ! Would have to re discover what affectation is !!
Thanks Sharad! Hugo & Sonya
Just beautiful.
Thank you Paul! Cheers, Hugo & Sonya
Congratulations, another succes, merry chrismas Joyeux Noël et bonne année
Merci Jorge! Hugo & Sonya
Dear, Hugo
I was wondering if you could post a satorial talks pt.3 on ties in which you could show how to tie the "bow tie?"
~Alexis
Amazing
Thanks Paulo! Cheers, Hugo & Sonya
1stly congrats on 100k plus longtime coming now you have it, my question for today is:- A suit I am interested in fabric is 55% polyester 45% wool should I buy it?
Great comments.
We are grateful for our comment section. Thanks for your reply. Hugo
Fashion is decided for you; Style is the art of displaying good taste, The first step in the development of taste is to be willing to credit your own opinion. Appearance is always for others, as it's the lens the world sees you through; a good appearance is a form of good manners. Style is your signature, a means by which the world can identify your footprint in the sand.
I like this impression of "crediting your own opinion" as you say. Merci, Sebastien ! Hugo
A great observation on how many Americans dress. And I agree Sonya is a wonderful writer!
She is unique in the way she conveys complicated concepts and ideas with grace and simplicity. Best, Hugo
7:20 I don't know who, but someone once said "Someone else's brain is a very poor place to put your own self respect."
At the same time, only a fool thinks there is nothing to learn from others. You can learn a lot from Hugo and Sonya. Thanks.
Ha! That Tom Waits album is one of my favorites from him (besides "Mule Variations"). That show is starting off strong! :D
BTW: That strange moment when Antonio from RMRS is earlier in the comments than yourself...
Haha! Sorry for my weak interpretation of the song! Cheers, Hugo
Of course I dress for myself but also of course for that woman I like at the moment :) By the way, I bought a Christmas suit, friday it is ready by my tailor. Cheers! Welcome back Hugo :)
Congratulations Davide! Merry Christmas. Hugo & Sonya
@@SARTORIALTALKS Thank you! Merry Christmas!
as always, click, like and enjoy. Well done
Thank you for your loyalty my friend. Hugo
Hugo, your English is excellent. M.
@@rovercoupe7104 Merci cher ami ! Hugo
Super super Hugo&Sonya. Pl pl say, even after so many American fashion Chanels, why European men are better dressed than them. You are definitely one part of the one reason. Wat is other. Thanku
That's a very strong statement my friend. I know American men (well not many of them) who are dressing superbly. And I also know European men who are really bad at it. But let's say that's globally, you'll find more well dressed men in Milan, Paris or London than in many places in the USA. But this can change! Cheers, Hugo
Thanks.
You are welcome Reza. Hugo
I so would love to see your Non-suit wardrobes. Would you consider showing it?
It's something to consider for sure. Thanks for suggesting. Hugo
Sonya: “If I tell you ‘This is a French Taxi Driver’s drink’, and I give you the drink, what are you going to say?”
Hugo: “That I’m going to pay.”
😂😂😂 I love you, guys.
You can always count on Hugo for a good punchline ! Merciii ~Sonya
Heuristics: I don't know the perfect expression of my style, yet - but I know I'm stumbling in the right direction. This has been a useful mindset in patternmaking, as well.
I'm sure this mindset is very useful for pattern making! All my best, Hugo
It's so tempting to just keep fiddling and not try the actual thing out, in three dimensions!
Saluta un bel video a Hugo e mi piace il bar del collare
Grazie Jay. Hugo
Only you sir and Sonya would think to draw upon the quotations of Bukowski, Wilde, and Bobby Orr in the same dialogue! Cheers--
Ah ha, thank you for that. ~Sonya
Good evening. Personally I’m drawn to classic, contemporary style. Recently, I started wearing suits to work, the majority of persons make unnecessary discouraging comments. As a gentleman, should I remain quiet or should I say something witty/rude as well. Thank you for this video discussion on style Hugo and Sonya
Your "situation" is far from being unusual my friend. Today, wearing a suit and, even worse, a tie is not the norm anymore, but the exception. And the flock don't like exceptions. Thus we are the new rebels. Are we, are you, going to surrender to unnecessary, and probably mediocre comments? I believe you shouldn't. Just stay serene and all this yada yada yada will disappear by itself. Cheers! Hugo
I have found when my personal style is on point then people never make any rude comments. I would simply share a laugh if they did. When you dress up you have respect for yourself and your profession. It also shows you are serious about what you do. When you look good, you FEEL good. That is the entire reason why you dress. Take risks and be confident in them. Always use good or bad feedback to develop. It takes a while to figure out so that you will receive many more looks of admiration rather than negative commentary.
If stores want to have smaller collections then they need to get people to focus on the idea that you buy less but now buy more quality in each items you do buy. That way, they can sell that $40 shirt instead of 2 $20 shirts. The cost is the same to the customer, but they feel like they are buying less and getting a better item all the while giving the company the same income. PS. I have your first book coming to me in the mail. It is one of the most expensive books I bought, but it is also one of the only books to give me that level of information.
Style is individuality! Me: Mandarin jacket, three buttons jacket... And the cozy cardigan. ☺
Sounds great! Hugo
@@SARTORIALTALKS Merci, Monsieur. 🙏
Almost fell off my chair when he said: "you are a freaking good writer..." at the end.
Why did you fell off your chair? Cheers, Hugo
I think that the concept of 'paralysis by analysis'' applies equally to writing and dressing stylishly .
You're right! Hugo
One day I was walking along the street wondering how I could be more stylish when I gazed upon a young who was wearing a top hat which drew my attention to how he was dressed. He was dressed like a Dandy Boy. A very different look for a Regional town in Ballarat Victoria Australia. First one I had ever seen except for Television or the Movies. Yes he was even wearing spats.
Dear Wayne, I've seen a couple of these 19th century dandies wearing spats, high hats and even monocles. Not my cup of tea to be honest. For me it's more a costume than an outfit, and going outside everyday dressed like that is actually a full time job. Cheers, Hugo
Marilyn Manson is one of my style icons, he’s always made me feel okay with being different.
This is like what Kurt Cobain said, “They laughter at me because I’m different. I laughter at them because they’re all the same.”
I know that I have been on too many times, but style could be one’s style and one’s style could be to wear all the latest fashions. I hope that make some sort of sense. M
You make such a cute (stylish 😉) couple 💙I love your vlogs.
Merci! Hugo & Sonya
You don’t chose art, it choses you. I view style the same way. You don’t chose a style, it choses you.
I like this philosophy. Thank you, ~Sonya Glyn
I recall Mario Batali saying I don't know fashion but I do have style. It seems if you're force to buy off the rack you're almost stuck to some extent to deal with the current fashion
Yes Paul, you can be stuck but if you dedicate a little bit of time (here or elsewhere) to educate yourself on the subject, then you'll discover a whole world of possibilities (which does not always require a big wallet). A lot of Made to Measure clothiers nowadays offer great garments for affordable prices. Cheers, Hugo
Professor Strunk wrote it, Elwyn White was his student and later polished the original work.
A significant influence in my life has been The Economist Style Guide. It is a guide to good English. I came across it at university. It has been a bit of a curse, in a way, because I now get annoyed at the use of poor grammar and US spelling in UK English prose. Unfortunately, The Economist newspaper seems to have an editor who has not read this book. This is one of the reasons why I stopped getting The Economist. I would recommend the early editions of the book. M.
I'm very happy to know this (not the bit about the editor) and am sure to read The ESG now. Thanks ! ~Sonya
I love hearing you talking about one of my favourite subjects. We must do tea in Fortnum & Mason or the Ritz one day. M.
@@SARTORIALTALKS Sorry, I hope I didn’t offend with my dislike of US spelling in UK English prose. There is nothing wrong with US English when written by Americans. M.
@@rovercoupe7104 I'm happy to read your response. It would be a disaster if I pretended to be British haaa---no offense taken at all.
Yes, and regarding tea, Hugo and I are learning about a fascinating bespoke-tea operation we want to explore. ~S
@@SARTORIALTALKS Sounds excellent. M.
I’m Loved
I hope you are! Hugo
Fashion is a movement, style is a taste
Well put ! ~Hugo & Sonya
need a video on Safari jacket /safari suit.south Asian people love this dress for office. Thanks. Love you
I don't know if we can produce an entire episode on the safari jacket, but we will cover the subject as I have one in progress. Cheers! Hugo
Salut
Pouvez vous faire une vidéo sur l'importance de la chemise blanche. Combien faut il en avoir?
Merci
Bonjour, nous avons écrit sur le sujet de nombreuses fois sur parisiangentleman.com . Il vous suffit d'aller dans le menu, puis catégories puis chemises et vous devriez y trouver votre bonheur. Amicalement, Hugo
Where would RMRS and Sartorial Talks fit together? Perhaps a collaboration themed with some history? Perhaps a comparison of military influence in clothing and boots, and style of USA and France perhaps? Not too fast-paced and 15 min total? Maybe a non-sponsored video...
Well, Antonio and us met in Paris in 2018 for a nice dinner and we discussed how we could do a little something together. We don't have the same public at all (which is good) and our styles of production are totally different. We take our time while he is obsessed by efficiency. We are much more poets than scholars, but the meeting of these very different approaches of our subject can be really interesting, at least I think. Cheers, Hugo
Socrates had style... for 400 BC!
Well I never reclined at a table with him (and Plato)! Cheers John, Hugo
Off topic: Why the change in microphones; from Electrovoice to Rode?
No Harry, we changed from Rode to the incredible RE20 recently and this sequence has been recorded just before we decided to stop using the NT1's (the ones we use in this video) in order to try the new Rode Podmike (but this one had way too much proximity effect). After all this waste of time, we eventually did what we should have done before : to buy the fantastic RE20 by Electrovoice. Now we are equipped for a loooong time. Cheers, Hugo
@@SARTORIALTALKS I simply had to know. Let me not sway the conversation. Back to the matter of style...
A SPECIAL LOVING COUPLE.
Many thanks Joseph for your kind words. Hugo & Sonya