ICA's currently working on my 1948 case, and I'm trying to learn Italian now. I figure if I'm asking Italy to recognize my citizenship, the very least I can do is speak the language!
Yep, but 1 year stay? Antenato is from 1890 that came to brazil, we still have great pride in our ancestry and Nona still speaks Veneto dialect, I already invested the equivelent of 2 years of my salary (gross) and still dont have enough money for 6 months of maximum stay, only 4. I Love italy, i even speak a hybrid linguage called Talian, and made my masters in Garibaldi who came to my state where i was born and helped with our independence war. So if this changes to 1 year residence i basicly have to save for 4 to 5 years more (i have been super frugal and investing 60% of my income) i'm already wasted saving everything and working 70+ hours a week for 3 years. Wasted early 20s for dog shit
My citizenship package has been with the LA consulate approaching a year now. Fingers crossed it all goes quickly. Thank you for all your help, Marco and Rafael!!!
It doesn't seem unreasonable to have a language requirement. I understand why there is not one. But this citizenship by blood seems a gift for which we have Italian culture to thank. Do we really want to infiltrate this culture with English?
In general, Europeans are multilingual. However, I believe if you plan to move to another country, the bare minimum should be having a basic level of language comprehension.
@@daisy9910that’s not even remotely true, the only countries in Europe where English is widely spoken either as the mothertongue or as a second language is the UK, Ireland, Germany, Sweden and the Netherlands. Outside those places it’s not very common for English to be spoken widely outside tourist hotspots.
Are your type of services in high demand? I have emailed a few different companies so far, one has made me wait 3 weeks so far, and I have to wait one more week to see what is going on. I assumed Italian Citizenship by foreigners would be up since Covid.. but is down apparently from 2016, 2019 numbers.. Maybe I have to find out what to do myself or get a lawyer that isn't part of an agency like yours ( because they all seem to be overwhelmed with too much business maybe?)
Marco himself has been accessible quickly when needed. Initially I contacted ICA by email then was sent a survey to describe our situation. I was on the phone with Marco within 3 weeks of my initial email with him giving a quick overview of our best case scenario. His staff has tracked over 50 documents for our complicated 1948 case through my grandmother who was born in Philadelphia. Our case contains numerous undocumented name changes that had to be researched by his staff and the necessary exclusion of my grandfather and great grandfather who both naturalized before my mother’s birth. Going into this process I expected the delays to be with Italy’s renown bureaucracy but the USA bureaucracy has been much worse. We are finally at the finish line now as our documents are being translated for the Italian courts. Good luck.
Thanks. I am planning on going to Italy when its time to go into a government office. The Italian consulates in the U.S. all have insanely long wait times!@@jimlaird4808
You have a lot of videos to look through. Thanks for all the info. Sorry if this topic has already been covered but do you have link to a video or info about the benefits of be in an EU citizen when moving to ITALY long term? For example I’m a citizen of the Republic of Ireland and was wondering if that makes it easier to move to Italy long term vs not being an EU citizen.
I want to leave my U.S. address, does it matter if I don't have a U.S. address? I want to apply in Italy, but I guess the paperwork takes a year before I can even get to that point? I want to go there now to study Italian but don't want to use up my Schengen time if I need to use that time to apply at government offices and go through the process.
It almost begs the question as to if we are already citizens, why do we have to go through these long drawn out processes to have to prove it. That in itself is a denial of our citizenship rights. Imagine an elderly person who might have to wait 2-4 years for recognition but doesn’t even have that long to live. If someone provides the necessary proof the recognition should be automatic and the burden should be on the Italian government to disprove the claim.
It has been impossible for me in the last 2 years to set an appointment via online for the Italian Consulate in Houston for citizenship by sanguinis. Is any other legal way to apply to citizenship beside traveling to Italy, I cannot go there for 3 months due to work. Thanks!
I personally think that there should be a language exam, even for for citizenship by right of blood, though I understand the reason that is not required.
so if great grandparent was Italian citizen, but those after changed citizenship, I can get Italian citizenship even though there's a break in citizenship after the great grandfather?
For my part, I hope this becomes law. It doesn't seem unreasonable for the government to impose a minimum language requirement for foreign-born children of Italian citizens. As far as the residence requirement, Italy is among the most generous when it comes to the number of generations in order to claim citizenship; I also don't think it's unreasonable to require a 1-year residence requirement for people whose distant ancestors came from Italy. I have a 1948 case, and we were rejected due to the "minor issue." We have an appeal pending, but the judge assigned to us has a history of rejecting 1948 minor cases, so expect to lose that appeal. I know that Mr. Permunian is very negative on this proposal, but I think it would be a great advantage, for 2 reasons. First, it would eliminate the need for 1948 cases to go through the courts at all, which would equalize those who apply through male and female ancestors. Second, this proposal would *NOT* limit the number of generations between an applicant and their LIRA; it would simply say that anyone who is removed by more than 3 generations must reside in Italy in order to claim citizenship, and that doesn't seem unreasonable -- in fact, it's far more generous than what the vast majority of countries offer.
I just lost a 1948 minor case appeal in the Rome court, but I can still appeal to the cassation court. Does the new law proposal fix the minor case and 1948 both? How did your appeal go?
This was an excellent video, but it surprised me that even as the small villages give away houses at one euro, that the government would not immediately recognize descendants as citizens , it just seems counterproductive to increasing population numbers. My nonno was born in Naples and nonna in Limone Piemonte , yet the process seems to be an uphill battle to claim citizenship and purchase property…once again, great video and I will be contacting Marco presto, Ciao 👍👏✌️
This Senator is imposing unfair demands on Italian Citizens who are applying to have their citizenship recognized. Seems like the Senator wants to treat JS Citizens like immigrants who are not Italian. If an Italian is born in Italy, the newborn isn't required to pass a language test, so the language demand as a condition of citizenship is discriminatory and outrageous. Mind you, I think anyone who wants to move to Italy, SHOULD learn Italian. I don't necessarily disagree with the limit of going back to a Great Grandparent and not further back because most other countries in the EU only allow people to go back as far as parent or grandparent and that's it.
Seems like this would be contrary to their wish to have younger people come back. If this passed then I would still qualify, but my 20 year old daughter who wants to move there would no longer be eligible.
...bring law for DNA in hospital before kid is leaving hospital... father must be known in the hospital ... Milion of kids are raised, buy othe men... ...DNA must be law...
Assuming your mother born and raised in Italy then immigrated to another country herself, this is incredibly ignorant statement. An immigrant hating on an immigrant is incredibly ironic
Please spare me that simple talk...As a boy and young adult I watch millions enter the boot...Millions as others talk...Look to the British and their history...The French...Congo and ?..Give the homeless your home and it's/401k...😂You help no one sacking the system.
Italy is not Saudi Arabia...Israel...My mother's birth city of Naples was amazing when she was born...3 terraces facing Vesuvius clean and tidy ..Now swamped with encampments...Facts are facts in this world that demonizes Russia and backs true genocide in Israel....Please.
@@als4387 wild how you're saying the exact same things that were said about the millions of Italian and other southern European immigrants who came to the US between 1890-1930
ICA's currently working on my 1948 case, and I'm trying to learn Italian now. I figure if I'm asking Italy to recognize my citizenship, the very least I can do is speak the language!
Yep, but 1 year stay? Antenato is from 1890 that came to brazil, we still have great pride in our ancestry and Nona still speaks Veneto dialect, I already invested the equivelent of 2 years of my salary (gross) and still dont have enough money for 6 months of maximum stay, only 4.
I Love italy, i even speak a hybrid linguage called Talian, and made my masters in Garibaldi who came to my state where i was born and helped with our independence war.
So if this changes to 1 year residence i basicly have to save for 4 to 5 years more (i have been super frugal and investing 60% of my income)
i'm already wasted saving everything and working 70+ hours a week for 3 years. Wasted early 20s for dog shit
My citizenship package has been with the LA consulate approaching a year now. Fingers crossed it all goes quickly. Thank you for all your help, Marco and Rafael!!!
Same here…almost 1 yr at the LA Consulate…not a peep so far. Don’t know if that’s a good thing or bad 😅
@@dclv7033 I'm just keeping my head down. No news is good news, right?! :-D
You guys always bring so much value to the community. Thank you
So validating to hear that final statement at 14:30
You're an Italian citizen, just looking for the legal recognition of that. Grazie!!!
Thank you for talking about this. I'd heard about it and didn't know what to think.
My grandmother was born in Italy but because of Italian law I went through my great grandfather born in Italy.
Great info. Thank you!
Thank you very much for answering this question! It clarified the material which cones up in Google.
It doesn't seem unreasonable to have a language requirement. I understand why there is not one. But this citizenship by blood seems a gift for which we have Italian culture to thank. Do we really want to infiltrate this culture with English?
In general, Europeans are multilingual. However, I believe if you plan to move to another country, the bare minimum should be having a basic level of language comprehension.
@@daisy9910 I agree 100 percent. Even basic pronunciation would be a step in the right direction.
Totally agree.
@@daisy9910that’s not even remotely true, the only countries in Europe where English is widely spoken either as the mothertongue or as a second language is the UK, Ireland, Germany, Sweden and the Netherlands.
Outside those places it’s not very common for English to be spoken widely outside tourist hotspots.
@@NeurodivergentGuy2023 dude, where did I say English? Sit down.
Do you have any video that talks about what type of car and brands should be bought in Rome? thanks
Are your type of services in high demand? I have emailed a few different companies so far, one has made me wait 3 weeks so far, and I have to wait one more week to see what is going on. I assumed Italian Citizenship by foreigners would be up since Covid.. but is down apparently from 2016, 2019 numbers.. Maybe I have to find out what to do myself or get a lawyer that isn't part of an agency like yours ( because they all seem to be overwhelmed with too much business maybe?)
Marco himself has been accessible quickly when needed. Initially I contacted ICA by email then was sent a survey to describe our situation. I was on the phone with Marco within 3 weeks of my initial email with him giving a quick overview of our best case scenario. His staff has tracked over 50 documents for our complicated 1948 case through my grandmother who was born in Philadelphia. Our case contains numerous undocumented name changes that had to be researched by his staff and the necessary exclusion of my grandfather and great grandfather who both naturalized before my mother’s birth. Going into this process I expected the delays to be with Italy’s renown bureaucracy but the USA bureaucracy has been much worse. We are finally at the finish line now as our documents are being translated for the Italian courts. Good luck.
Thanks. I am planning on going to Italy when its time to go into a government office. The Italian consulates in the U.S. all have insanely long wait times!@@jimlaird4808
You have a lot of videos to look through. Thanks for all the info.
Sorry if this topic has already been covered but do you have link to a video or info about the benefits of be in an EU citizen when moving to ITALY long term? For example I’m a citizen of the Republic of Ireland and was wondering if that makes it easier to move to Italy long term vs not being an EU citizen.
I want to leave my U.S. address, does it matter if I don't have a U.S. address? I want to apply in Italy, but I guess the paperwork takes a year before I can even get to that point? I want to go there now to study Italian but don't want to use up my Schengen time if I need to use that time to apply at government offices and go through the process.
It almost begs the question as to if we are already citizens, why do we have to go through these long drawn out processes to have to prove it. That in itself is a denial of our citizenship rights. Imagine an elderly person who might have to wait 2-4 years for recognition but doesn’t even have that long to live. If someone provides the necessary proof the recognition should be automatic and the burden should be on the Italian government to disprove the claim.
You raise a great point
The process is just to ensure that what you ... we ... claim is _actually_ true. The consulates, however, are a nightmare.
It has been impossible for me in the last 2 years to set an appointment via online for the Italian Consulate in Houston for citizenship by sanguinis. Is any other legal way to apply to citizenship beside traveling to Italy, I cannot go there for 3 months due to work. Thanks!
ICA can take it through the Italian courts for you. I've had the same issue and am currently working with them.
@@joec3390if ICA does it then you don't need residency?
@@planet-tyler666 Correct, they have clients sign a power of attorney and they go to the courts in Italy.
I personally think that there should be a language exam, even for for citizenship by right of blood, though I understand the reason that is not required.
Well said. Don't be intimidated by the ignorant fools who understand nothing about history, culture, and human evolution. .
My hold up for citizenship is New York State needing a court order to get my mother’s birth certificate as it is costly and time consuming
I'm going to have the same problem... If you find a good lawyer for that let me know!
so if great grandparent was Italian citizen, but those after changed citizenship, I can get Italian citizenship even though there's a break in citizenship after the great grandfather?
Incredibile
Com'è?
Smmmooootttthhhh Rafael...
In fairness I agree with this law, shouldn’t be handed citizenship easily just cause you have some 5th great ancestor, it’s abit weird.
For my part, I hope this becomes law. It doesn't seem unreasonable for the government to impose a minimum language requirement for foreign-born children of Italian citizens. As far as the residence requirement, Italy is among the most generous when it comes to the number of generations in order to claim citizenship; I also don't think it's unreasonable to require a 1-year residence requirement for people whose distant ancestors came from Italy. I have a 1948 case, and we were rejected due to the "minor issue." We have an appeal pending, but the judge assigned to us has a history of rejecting 1948 minor cases, so expect to lose that appeal. I know that Mr. Permunian is very negative on this proposal, but I think it would be a great advantage, for 2 reasons. First, it would eliminate the need for 1948 cases to go through the courts at all, which would equalize those who apply through male and female ancestors. Second, this proposal would *NOT* limit the number of generations between an applicant and their LIRA; it would simply say that anyone who is removed by more than 3 generations must reside in Italy in order to claim citizenship, and that doesn't seem unreasonable -- in fact, it's far more generous than what the vast majority of countries offer.
I just lost a 1948 minor case appeal in the Rome court, but I can still appeal to the cassation court. Does the new law proposal fix the minor case and 1948 both? How did your appeal go?
This was an excellent video, but it surprised me that even as the small villages give away houses at one euro, that the government would not immediately recognize descendants as citizens , it just seems counterproductive to increasing population numbers. My nonno was born in Naples and nonna in Limone Piemonte , yet the process seems to be an uphill battle to claim citizenship and purchase property…once again, great video and I will be contacting Marco presto, Ciao 👍👏✌️
This Senator is imposing unfair demands on Italian Citizens who are applying to have their citizenship recognized. Seems like the Senator wants to treat JS Citizens like immigrants who are not Italian. If an Italian is born in Italy, the newborn isn't required to pass a language test, so the language demand as a condition of citizenship is discriminatory and outrageous. Mind you, I think anyone who wants to move to Italy, SHOULD learn Italian. I don't necessarily disagree with the limit of going back to a Great Grandparent and not further back because most other countries in the EU only allow people to go back as far as parent or grandparent and that's it.
Seems like this would be contrary to their wish to have younger people come back. If this passed then I would still qualify, but my 20 year old daughter who wants to move there would no longer be eligible.
...bring law for DNA in hospital before kid is leaving hospital... father must be known in the hospital ...
Milion of kids are raised, buy othe men...
...DNA must be law...
Thank GOD my mother was born and raised in Italy...And I speak the language... Don't limit Blood...Limit those not from the country...Hint..Africa.🙄🤔
That's a really interesting take considering Italy's history of colonizing East Africa.
Assuming your mother born and raised in Italy then immigrated to another country herself, this is incredibly ignorant statement. An immigrant hating on an immigrant is incredibly ironic
Please spare me that simple talk...As a boy and young adult I watch millions enter the boot...Millions as others talk...Look to the British and their history...The French...Congo and ?..Give the homeless your home and it's/401k...😂You help no one sacking the system.
Italy is not Saudi Arabia...Israel...My mother's birth city of Naples was amazing when she was born...3 terraces facing Vesuvius clean and tidy ..Now swamped with encampments...Facts are facts in this world that demonizes Russia and backs true genocide in Israel....Please.
@@als4387 wild how you're saying the exact same things that were said about the millions of Italian and other southern European immigrants who came to the US between 1890-1930