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Poseidon's comment isn't him wanting Polyphemus dead, it's about the fact Odysseus revealed his name which let Polyphemus pray to Poseidon, leading to this attack here as retribution. If Odysseus didn't reveal his name, like Athena said, he wouldn't be in this mess.
The messed up thing about that (in epic the musical specifically) is that if Athena hadn't insisted on Odysseus going back to kill Polyphemus after they'd managed to escape the cave, Odysseus would have left without those final words. It's a good way to show how any kind of association with the gods, be it positive or negative, is ultimately detrimental for the mortals involved. Common knowledge in ancient Greece, but a modern day rendition/reimagining needs those extra things conveying it.
@@akaittouthat's an interesting take. I always thought that Odysseus made his final statement to Polyphemus was an uncharacteristic, but reasonable loss of self-control due to his first loss of his men (especially Polities).
I never considered it was specifically to spite Athena.
@@akaittou no Athena came to Odysseus because she know that he will do that she even said don't before he start mock Polyphemus and tell his name
Odysseus do all that out of spite and anger for Polyphemus kill his men and his friend
@@supattreewatanawong5025"Let's grab the sheep and away we go."
If Athena hadn't showed up to demand Odysseus go back and finish off Polyphemus somehow instead of just getting everyone back to the ships and leaving, he wouldn't have had a catalyst to push him to the point of doing something as irrational as revealing his name despite having deliberately hidden it earlier. Athena's inability to understand how mortals think and especially how they feel is one of the main driving forces of the musical's interpretation of Odyssey, and this is where it initially comes to a head.
@@akaittou Athena's inability to understand how mortals think it mean nothing in this case what she done not a reason Odyssey tell his name Odyssey tell his name after he alrady get on his ship he not push to the point of doing something as irrational by Athena he alrady at that point from lost his friend/mens all Athena do is warn him that Polyphemus still can be a threat and it true if he tell what happen to him Posidon still have a way to search who did it only kill him so Posidon don't knoe what happen can guarantee his men and his safety
P.S. don't ask why Athena not explain to him Odyssey just say no and not lisen anything anymore
Just something to make note of. "Don't anger Poseidon" was made because he was the pettiest of the Greek gods. He'd cause problems for people on the water because of an inconvenience or if he was bored or even if someone didn't pray to him that day. So you say "Don't anger Poseidon" because most times he made rough seas being petty. So if you actually pissed him off...well, you saw what he does when he's actually been set off.
Small fact: dying by drowning was especially terrifying to the Greeks because the remains of the deceased were often lost at sea.
They couldn't be given a proper burial and thus had no coin for the ferry to journey them over to the afterlife. So any sneak murder and hidden body meant that a soil was lost in the afterlife.
The fact that Poseidon just about tells Odysseus that if he'd just done as Athena adviced and killed Polyphemus, then none of this would've happened, it really hits hard. It becomes such a good parallell to "The Horse and the Infant" where Odysseus ultimately did as Zeus urged in order to avoid future problems. But that lesson apparently didn't stick, and Poseidon is actively showing him the consequences of that. "Ruthlessness is mercy upon ourselves" - if Odysseus had just killed Polyphemus just like he killed the infant, he would've avoided a lot of pain for both himself and his crew.
Poseidon did not want Polyphemus to die - but he is saying that he would rather that Odysseus had just killed him instead of crippling him, instead of inflicting such pain and then just leaving him to suffer. And if he had just done that, if Polyphemus had died then and there, or even if Odysseus had never told the cyclops his name, then Poseidon would never have known who to punish for injuring his son.
Thank you for a fantastic video! This really is my favourite so far in the entire series, and I was so happy to see you react to it!
Trying to kill polyphemus is too risky knowing that other cyclops will probably join the fight, fleeting would be the best option, but ody was getting too cocky and gave polyphemus his full name. Polyphemus probably snitched and said ody's full name. For a powerful God, a name would be enough.
The amount of ships that sunk during this one song is insanely terrifying it started 600 and now it’s 43 left!
11 of 12 ships, 600 Men, with 43 left :)
@@CrayonCruncher exactly like that’s insane!
Athena warned him not to talk
“One day, you’ll hear what I’m saying. One day, you’ll understand. One day but not today because after all you’re just a man.”
When
As much as Poseidon is asshole, one thing... Odysseus can be quite arrogant and hypocritical sometimes, in a way only human who really achieved something can be. When asked to apologise, and life of him and his companions depended on it, he never actually apologised. He knelt, he pleaded, he tried to justify his actions... but didn't apologise
He didn’t apologize to the cyclops, either. “Oh! I killed your pet sheep? Well … party time! Let’s get drunk!”
@@ten5h1 also true... "No blood shed here today" heh. But i suppose it is good to see Odysseus isnt perfect. "Just a man" after all, great character to follow
I mean I don’t think “sorry” would have worked out either
@@djmewtwo6981 agreed, but... you never know, see is unconstant and unpredictable
@@djmewtwo6981 all Posidon say he will not kill them if he apologize I think he still Cursed Odysseus but all his men at least got better chance
0:55 I mean, he didn't say he doesn't ever get pissed off. He said "it isn't very often". Which might very well be true from his perspective, all those cases might not count as "often" in his eyes.
But yeah, he is no mr. mercy, but I think he was just highlighting that this wasn't just a regular everyday smiting to him, this was PERSONAL
most of all those cases is he not pissed off but because most times he made rough seas just being petty and annoy or even he just feel like it
To be fair; every time a ship sets sail, they have to offer a tribute to Poseidon to avoid being capsized by his waves for trespassing into his domain.
What father would have mercy if someone they allowed into their realm maimed their child? The sea isn’t merciful to begin with.
It's not very often he gets pissed off BECAUSE OF the phrase "Don't anger Poseidon." Most people on the ocean aren't dumb enough to pull some bullshit that would piss him off. 😂
I think EVERYONE got shivers at the “die” line haha. Glad you enjoyed it so much! The next Saga is already out, and they only get better and better!
It's the combination of the "die." And hearing all the men screaming "captain!" As they drown that gives me goosebumps every time
The way Odysseus' men were crying out for him as they died, hoping he'd manage to save them one last time...chilling.
If anyone didn't know posiedon and other gods have animals as symbols like zeus has the eagle, Athena has the owl well one of posiedons animals is the horse
Which is because Poseidon was the one to create horses in the myths
@@whitenobeard ✨👍yup
Which makes Odysseus being the one who made the Trojan Horse with Athena a lot more interesting; especially since Athena and Poseidon are rivals (both wanted to be the patron gods for Athens and as the name suggests, Athena won)
The part that always gets me is the crew calling out for their captain as they die. Started with 600, minus the handful that the Cyclops killed. Down to 43. AnniFlamma did an amazing job portraying the terror and chaos of that section...
What sets this animation apart from others is how Poseidon isn't filled with righteous anger as we'd expect him to be. He seems like he could care less about his son's well-being and takes genuine pleasure in making Odysseus suffer for his naivity. A true villain with solid motives.
Poseidon really cared about his children in fact. What Poseidon meant was that "You totally could have avoid al this if you only had killed my son, but nooo" It's the fact that it would have been fair to kill the cyclops, but instead, Odysseus left him blind, humiliated, telling him his name, mocking him that he was no longer a threat, leaving him To die a horrible death alone and starving (in Greece it was worse to be disabled than to die) Killing him would have been mercy (As Poseidon makes us understand)
And by Greek rules, if you hurt a family member in such a way, the other family member has the right to exact revenge on you. (The reason why Odysseus had to kill the infant, but he thought he was better than the gods on this occasion)
Poseidon wouldn't have chased him if Odysseus hadn't been so arrogant.
There are two things to note about "you could've avoided this if you just killed my son"
- Odysseus mocked his son by giving his name and leaving
- Killing his son would spared Poseidon's son much trouble as he is now blind and needs to be taken care for
Athena warned Odysseus but her tone made it sound to him like mockery, he thought he is better than her by giving the cyclops mercy but in this world mercy has a steep price.
2:48 that’s also a callback to killing baby Astyanax back in Troy- and the music alludes to Poseidon being the Storm bringer earlier in the saga.
Poseidon is actually angry that he has to kill Odysseus to save his own reputation, since he can’t let the man who hurt his son get away with the insult. But he’s more angry at Odysseus’ hypocrisy and false righteousness.
But don’t make a mistake, Poseidon is cruel and unstable.
Poseidon: "It isn't very often that I get pissed off."
Everyone: "Why the fuck you lying? Why you always lying?"
Hahaha, right, that man even gets angry because someone didn't pray to him for a single day.
A side note is also that the ancient greeks saw glory in dying in a battle. You either win or you die fighting gloriously. Ody robbed Poseidons son of both options and makes him live in shame.
2:39 it's not about him wanting him to kill his son but that Odysseus "mercy" wasn't as "merciful" as he tries to make it seem, Polyphemus asked Poseidon to curse Odysseus. What Odysseus saw as mercy was far from it when you think about how the situation was handled... Poly is a giant, ugly beast who eats men and herds sheep, then a group of men invade his home and kill his FAVORITE sheep without regard to who was living here. In a fit of rage he decides to kill them but is drugged and falls unconscious, only to wake up to his now spear shaped club being dragged into his eye making him blind. He cries and whales opening his cave to run outside and the men had the chance to escape but the leader decides that blinding him wasn't enough. "Hey you, cyclops! Remember my friends who have fallen, for I am your *DARKEST MOMMENT* (the cyclops is blind and will only see darkness, which Poseidon also repeats to Ody), I am Odysseus!!"
Odysseus was so arrogant with the Cyclops. He rubbed his victory in before he left. He said it was to encourage him to choose mercy but honestly he was angry and grieving the men he lost. So yeah, it was pretty arrogant.
to be fair to poseidon, when you live for several thousand years getting pissed off like 50 times isnt THAT bad
I loved it.....! So much going on and I love Poseidon's voice, brilliant. Anniflamma...great job!
hahah you know a song hits good when you have to make a face like its NASTY!!
Love your energy on these EPIC reactions!
Get in the water and Friends close enemies closer.
Both are great ones from epic.
Odysseus's greatest flaw is his hubris. Had he killed the Polyphemus as he was instructed to instead of maim him Poseidon wouldn't have known who killed his son. Had he not told Polyphemus his name then the Cyclops wouldn't have been able to pray to his father for revenge. Poseidon's hand was forced, he had to take revenge, but even then he gave Odysseus the chance to apologize. And instead of doing that all Odysseus did was justify his actions to the father of the man he maimed. Thus now Poseidon not only has to take revenge for his son, but now for himself as well for being disrespected by Odysseus.
F Poseidon - The Dutch 😂
🤣 actually made me laugh out loud with this one...
@@HighlyCombustibleReacts hahah, your welcome 🤣
People have said that saying his name was Odysseus' biggest mistake, but I have actually realized something that makes me thing otherwise. In my opinion, not killing the cyclops was his biggest mistake.
Think about it, Poseidon is probably the pettiest god in existence. He'd shipwreck some random guy just because of a bad day. So what do you think will happen when he finds out his son was blinded? I don't think the whole "Nobody has hurt me" schtick is gonna work on someone like Poseidon, so he will realize someone hurt his son. And if minding your own business can get you killed, what would happen when you hurt his child?
gigi recently released her ruthlessness version that continues from keep your friends closer
We are already into the circe saga. So we are waiting for the song There are other ways with some good animatics!
First like, pretty cool.
Or maybe it's just didn't update
He never watches "Just a man" yet. And it really affects me, that none of the reactors watches it in full order 😭
For it is not only for the awesome music, it tells a story, which is missing by watching it just randomly. My kokoro... 🥹❤️🩹